oh jeez, call a wahhhhhhbulance! wudn't 8 years of Dubya enough????

I never said Bush was not bad too, but Obama has more than Bush did, in half the time.

Kevin, take Bush's debt with you so the rest of us don't get stuck with it, and we wont have to worry about another Texan nutjob running OUR country, so good riddance!

Hey Kevin..

Every use a big chief tablet and a #2 pencil to figure out the numbers.

Never mind, the majority of people have no earthly clue about numbers beyond 3 times their pay check.

In case you were not paying attention, President Obama put the Bush credit card for the unfunded wars on the books.

You can't have TX, but feel free take over Mississippi.

Take Donald Trump with you.

You'll be part of Mexico before you know it. I lived in Texas in the early 80's. Both the U.S and Mexico would be better off if Texas left the Union.

Kevin, will Texas then compensate the country for all the roads, bridges, airports, and other infrastructure that the other 49 states paid for in your state? Also, you may wish to check with Rick Perry, who wanted to secede and then whined because the feds didn't send money to Texas to fight the fires that were there, as though dollar bills put out fires. But, on the good side of all this, you can keep your Dallas Cowboys.

Kevin,

I'd say let the Texans vote on it. My only worry is they would vote to stay in the U. S. They wouldn't want to give up all the freebies they get from the federal government.

Here's a joke for all you Texans: the states of TX and OK decided to merge. Both tried to think what they could give the other. TX gave OK it's beaches. OK gave TX a football team.

Well, the problem with all that is...well, actually there are several problems...that not everyone in TX might want to leave the US of America. So I guess they are all expected to move however far it takes to to get back to the US on their dime just because some people who are pouting want to go form their own country? Don't get me wrong now, but I wouldn't be upset at all if all those who want to leave just please go leave. You can pay for all your own roads, bridges, and everything else, and we won't have to hear you complain any more or put up with you trying to rewrite history or push your religion into the schools.

Now as for the other states...I live in AL and I don't want to secede except from AL...so I don't think so. Any of you who want to leave the US feel free...there are plenty of ways to leave and I'm sure you can find a train, bus, boat, or airplane to take you wherever you want. Seriously, some people don't get it. We would have had to put up with a Romney administration, so I guess you can put up with an administration you don't like. The world isn't going to end just because you don't like present policy. I made it through lots of Republican administrations without acting like a kid taking his ball glove and going home to pout, and I didn't call names or threaten anyone. I didn't leave the country and I didn't act as if the world was ending. You will be all right, and if you want to leave that much you are welcome to do that. Find a country you think you will like better and have at it. Or you could stay here and actually contribute to something positive instead of complaining. Your choice...negative or positive.

this is no laughing matter; Texas is the richest State in the Union, totally self sufficient in everything; it does appear that they may have a right to form a independent Country( since they were the only Independent nation that joined the Union); we are seeing a fracturing of America, do not take these things lightly.

I got a better idea. Let all those anti-American traitors who want to secede from our glorious nation go. We'll help them. No, they won't get any states (all of which belong to the Union and have no right of secession - that was settled a long time ago), but the individuals can still go. We'll help round all of you up and place you on old ships and push you beyond the 12-mile-limit. In our generosity, we'd be more than happy to do so.

Get rid of TexA$$ the SOONER THE BETTER!

Hey, tracontech... MY SENTIMENTS, EXACTLY!

You sure hit the bullseye on point!

(I've always wondered what is really wrong with Texans....! Must be something in that goober-juice they drink.)

Listen up wingnuts, I own a large chunk of land around Lake Dallas and I'll be damned if i am going to let you take my land out of the good ole US of A. So far out of the 26,000,000 people who live in Texas only 23,000 have signed the petition, so the way I see it is a very tiny minority of the people of the Great state of Texas want to secede, so you 23,000 morons can hop the next bus to Juarez if you want to leave America so bad because you aint taking Texas or the land it sit on with you, grow up and get over it. You are as much to blame for the mess this country is in as anybody else, either pitch in to get her back on her feet or get the hell out, and I don't , mean by secession cause my 1000 acres is staying in America.

will you idiots stop saying "good for texas", it aint "Texas" that wants to leave if is a few thousand wingnuts out of the 26, 000,000 people who live down there. I promise you that you will never even get 1/10 of the population to sign your stupid petition.

Texas? Totally self-sufficient? Not if they get 1 penny of federal dollars . . . for anything . . . schools included. I doubt the richest state as well. I rather Alaska has them beat, at least in potential.

Please, let them go. But they really ought to accept ALL of the debts Bush pulled down on our heads. And we get to pull our border patrol as well.

That red state/blue state split that went around 4 years ago is still true. Only this time we get Colorado as well.

Um drosen, Texas pays more to the federal government, every year, that it gets. Why spout off bs, when anyone can google it?

Yes, we would likely become a part of Mexico or vice-versa. Whites are already a minority. So, what is wrong with that? I don't have a problem with it.

In fairness, we should start when Texas became a state, take money that Texas has received, then subtract it from the amount that Texas has paid to the government, then pay us the difference.

were do i sign?! i want out of the union! i'll help my fellow texans out!

saxon

this is no laughing matter;

It most certainly is. The vast majority of Texans do not want to secede, only a small fringe of nutwads who are angry because they lost the game and now want to take their ball and go home. Everything lunatic rightwingers want to do is hysterical.

Texas is the richest State in the Union, totally self sufficient in everything;

Without the federal money (meaning money taken from taxpayers from other states), Texas would look like the scenario in the TV show Revolution. How appropriate. Texas, like all other states, couldn't survive a week without the United States of America.

it does appear that they may have a right to form a independent Country( since they were the only Independent nation that joined the Union);

No, it does not. Texas is a state and has no right of secession. That was settled by the Constitution, the Supreme Court and Congress (and a Civil War) 150 years ago. And Texas is not the only independent nation that joined the Union - Vermont did, as well as California and Hawaii. None of them can secede either. By the way, all of those "indepedent nations" were formed by Americans who used that process to achieve joining the Union - in the case of Hawaii, American corporatists conducted a "revolution" overthrowing the legitimate Constitutional Monarchy nation of Hawaii and setting up another false "republic" as a stepping stone to join the Union.

we are seeing a fracturing of America, do not take these things lightly.

America is not fractured. The whining rightwingers who didn't get to put a plutocratic, corporatist, theocratic dictatorship in the place of a democratic, capitalist, secular America are the only ones who are fractured. Since they don't like America, they can all move to a nation more suitable to their beliefs, like Saudi Arabia. No one's stopping them.

Let them go, look at the $$ we will save on welfare and food stamps, and the IQ level in the U.S. will rise 20 points.

bu-bye, Texas. Don't let the door hit you in your sorry a$$ on your way out. Good riddance.

We stole Texas from Mexico- it's time to do the right thing and give it back.

Mexico would have to agree to also take all the Teatards currently residing in Texas- I hear that's the sticking point.

Sounds good to me. Immigration control would be easier. Texicans go home.

Good riddance! Don't let the door hit you in the pa-toot on the way out!

I'll give it 6 months before Texas will be applying for foreign aid from the USA.

IWonder-932455

Yes, we would likely become a part of Mexico or vice-versa. Whites are already a minority. So, what is wrong with that? I don't have a problem with it

If you want to move to Mexico, then move there. Who's stopping you, if you think it's better than America? Why not ask all the Mexicans who want to move here first? So go to Mexico. But you leave all American property, and that includes Texas, to America. I'm a patriotic American who will defend my country. I don't care about parochial, narrow-minded people.

Go to Mexico. Move there. No big loss. As a matter of fact, no loss at all.

President Obama won by the will of the American people. Either accept America or get out. We don't need leeches.

I say give it to them, but when it comes to any type of help they may need like border patrol, natural disasters help from Fema, military support, farm subsides, electrical, water, or gas resources, or anything else they are on their own. But first they must figure out how much of the Nations debt is theirs and pay up (did not take only 49 states to help run it up)! Texas would come crawling back.

IDO..... you need to check with McConnell the turtle and John BONER t hey are the only two that know where that budget is presently residing.. the budget was submitted, just in case you didn't know or chose to believe another repugnant..

JERRY.. here's one idea for you.. pack your bags and get the hell out of this country..as a nation we dealt with racisim in the 60's.. it will not change because you bitch about it..or move to TEXAS..you might get along really well with a gay gov..

I can see that the village in Texas finally got their idiot back.

Hey, geniuses, Texas only gets 85 cents back for every dollar they give to the federal government - it is NOT a federally funded state.

Texas used to have a travel commercial saying; "Come to Texas, it's a whole 'nother country". Like Captain Pickard used to say on Star Trek; "Make it so". And pay your own freight and get your own damn army while your at it. And I agree with what has already been posted, take the Bush debt with you.

So, can we invade Texas after? If it is an independent country and should be treat as such.

Don't kid yourself, if a Texas plebiscite opts to secede, it will happen. The liberals have danced with democracy too long to change partners now and too many of the conservatives will "drive south".

Ah aaaaaaaaaalllllllllllllll my exes live in TEXAS! Da tum te dum!

*George Strait twang in the background*

I suddenly have a desire to move to Texas!

Stop and think for a minute,,,, this is to everyone. All this talk about states leaving thus union ,is just what the terrorist and other countries thrive on. So lets put all this aside and come together as a country, petition the us to let the people of this nation to give our input on what gfoes on in this country..

kamity

Hey, geniuses, Texas only gets 85 cents back for every dollar they give to the federal government - it is NOT a federally funded state.

You might want to rethink that buddy! Texas gets more in USDA subsidies than any other state!

http://farm.ewg.org/progdetail.php?fips=00000&progcode=total&page=states

Don't let the door hit you in the Texas on the way out.

now wait just a doggone minute! If we leave the USA, who we gonna try and convince that everythang is bigger here? I don't think we're gonna fool each other

So many people wanted Romney to win so they could pay their fair share and allow millionaires and billionaires to pay almost 0% in taxes. So, what has more than 30 years of tax breaks for the wealthy gotten the average American? A loss of medical benefits from corporations and companies so the Top employees can make $50,000 an hour. The wealthy sending jobs overseas so they can exploit cheap labor at the expense of the American worker. The ONLY thing tax breaks for the wealthy have done is to raise prices and put Americans out of work. Prices must go up so those Top guys can make $50,000 an hour. What I can't believe is that people wanted Romney to win so they could pay for the wealthy to get richer! Those wealthy are freaking pulling your chains so that they can turn you into a debt-slave! Texas won't leave the US anyhow because the oil industries get billions of dollars from the US tax payers. If they leave, who's going to cough up those billions of dollars that allow the CEO's to get paid $50,000 an HOUR?!!!

good riddance Texas...worthless state...

wow....funny how majority of people are anti-Texas and claim that we are soooo uneducated. I'm from Texas, born and raised, i can't stand the cowboys, i wouldn't even consider them a team to be honest. I'm not for Texas making itself it's own country and as for Obama....no i don't particularly like him but the way i look at it is only 4 more years then he can't run again....i wasn't for bush jr. as president. i don't care that obama is black or white or muslim because race and religion doesn't matter. what matters is if he does a good job and makes sure his country is taken care of properly before he takes care of other countries. he needs to rethink his priorities because if he keeps helping other countries before his own, our nation will crumble and cease to exist eventually. I'm proud to be a Texan, and I'm proud of my husband who is active duty army, protecting all ignorant people of this country. I will say this....if obama did what he did last year and makes it to where my husband doesn't get paid for a month, which takes food out of my kids mouths, then he will have one VERY ANGRY mother to deal with.

Similar petitions from other states have also been filed including: Alabama, Arizona, Arkansas, Colorado, Florida, Georgia, Indiana, Kentucky, Louisiana, Michigan, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, New Jersey, New York, North Carolina, North Dakota, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania, South Carolina and Tennessee. However, unlike the petition from Texas, none of these states had reached the 25,000-signature threshold to get an official White House response as of Monday evening.

I love it!

does anyone else not care? go right ahead texas i dont agree at all with your peoples ideals. Your a gun toting death penalty crazed state good riddance. While your at it take Alabama, mississippi and lousiana. YA HOO!! lol

Ashley aka california flower sniffer and proud

Its time to split this nation in two! Lets see how well liberalism works without the Republicans to pay for it!

Im ready to leave the socialist republic of california! do it Texas i would be a true patriot and a true texan!

where do I sign?

Conservative Athiest, you are an idiot... to bash talk southerners because of stereotypes is bull crap. We are great people who would save your worthless but if you were in trouble.

Texas would take Dumbo's lunch. He is in for 4 rough years is all I have to say.

@Oneil85 - Do you think giving tax breaks to the wealthy so they pay near 0% in income taxes so the middle class has to make up for that loss of money so that those same wealthy can continue their program of sending jobs overseas (because history has shown that even when the wealthy pay less, they still cut pay and benefits to their workers here in America) is a good investment for the American people?

Yo, SLIMM-3908739! You did get a say. It's called A Vote! And the majority disagree with you, so you lose. My hope is that the GaP will realize what they did to their credibility and start working toward the greater good.

I've been hearing about that seccession non-sense since I worked and lived in Texas back in the 80's. I personally believe it's all bluster from a bunch of rednecks that bought their hats two sizes too small.

If they try it and succeed, I can't believe there would be enough left of Texas to make a decent horseshoe tournament.......let alone a functioning political unit. I wonder how many of them Texacans would be thinking about their Social Security? Then they'll have to start thinking about dealing with others around the world for the things they now take for granted. I believe they'd be so chicken-@!$%# scared of the Mexicans and the Yankees they'd bankrupt the place in a couple years just trying to form some kind of a military.

Then....after a while, they'd probably start to getting thristy down there in the hot sun around July and August. They've been doing a lot of talking about how rich they are, and how they don't need anyone else, and I'd remember those things when it came time to start talking about letting have some of our nice clean water, when their water table gets so low that it starts mixing with fracking fluid. I'd have to do some serious calculating about the worth of it...... especially after they tried drinking from the same water the cattle drink from. Oh yeah, they'd try putting in pipelines and might even try running water through the same ones that carry petroleum, but they'd still have water that cattle pee in and cow chips, and probably lots of it that hasn't dried up yet mixing in. They might want to start taking lessons from India about dealing with THAT issue. I imagine by the time that they get to that stage, their currency would probably have about the same value as Iranian money. And then.....someone discovers the needed pieces to the puzzle to replace oil. Talk about your @!$%#ty luck decisions.......

"Perhaps all these disgruntled rednecks should try seceeding from the beer cooler and their sister's private parts before any more ignorant minions are created that must be fed by gov. cheese and foodstamps. I think Texas should be granted their secession, they are the only state that can legally do so regardless. However, the US keeps full territorial waters control and should implement an astoundingly high tariff on anything coming or going via the Gulf to Texas shores and charge a $500 toll for all roads at the Texas border. Perhaps we should indeed build that electrified fence and oil filled moat around the Texas border just to keep the illegal Texans out of our country! LOL"

Above is a great post (one inaccuracy regarding the Texas being legally able to secede from the union, but other than that great). Unprecedented wit! Simply genius...and it leaves all the bumpkins in Texas who are in favor of this ill-conceived petition scratching their heads saying "oh yeahhhhh...huh????"

Let them go. They will also lose federal money and military protection including federally funded border patrol. The illegals will rush in at a faster rate and take what's left and the cartels will be in charge. They will be a third world country just like their neighbors. Careful what you wish for, you just might get it.

The question isn't if Texas should secede,the question is will this country be so deeply in debt in four years from now, that it doesn't make any difference. If spending continues at it's present level, we wont be able to pay the interest on the borrowed money, no matter how high the tax rates go. Look at France. 75% tax isn't enough to pay for all the socialist programs. The so called rich, are taking their money and companies to other countries, because they refuse to give it all to the government. So, you can call the republicans stupid, you can call the liberals ignorant, at the end of the day, we are all in this together. You can't count on government to give you freebies after they run out of taxpayers money.

NBC NEWS IS PATHETIC!!!

23 states including Texas passed the petition including Liberal New York, but as typical, NBC News Headlines single out Texas!

Come on ya'll, quit hating on Texas so much. Not all of us want to leave the Union and some of us folks that are white even voted for President Obama. Of course we got Peter Morrison calling us maggots, but he is an idiot. And old Rick Perry, he was so damn pathetic in the debates surely we will be getting rid of him. Sooner or later Texas will be voting blue again!

First of all, I am NOT a loser. I didn't believe Obama was experienced enough to be president, now I don't believe he has the integrity. I am a registered Democrat. Have voted that way since 1980. Until....2008. No, I wasn't crazy about McCain/Palin, but I was optimistic about Romney/Ryan. Like you, I'm entitled to my opinion & my beliefs. THIS IS STILL A FREE COUNTRY WITH FREE SPEECH!!!

The biggest issue in this story is the symbolic factor. To me, when you have 15+ states "making motions" to secede, then there is a serious problem with the divide in this country. Why isn't Mr. Hope & Change doing something to bring everyone together? I thought he cared about the American people? Texans are STILL American! It's all just a bunch of lip-service. I don't think he gives a damn about any of us. Uh, er...maybe Beyonce & Jay-Z, but NOT the rest of us. Sort of a "Superiority Complex" this guy has, huh?

So the teabags are traitors? I'm not the least surprised. Succession? Don't even pretend to call yourselves patriots.

Are you people out of your effen minds, go ahead Texas get the hell out, the rest of the United States will disown you which means grow your own food and take care of your own, don't expect any from the USA, by the way there goes your social security checks, your medicare, good luck trying to come up with money to take care of your seniors and kiss your retirement money from the government good-bye oh and don't forget good luck securing your own borders without a military, army, navy, marines, and air force. Hell I could go on and on but I think you get the picture, if not let me put it to you this way...Kiss your sorry asses good-bye your all going to be up @!$%# creek without any paddles.

Texas was only electrified after that socialist FDR brought in his big government dollars to give Texans electricity. Texas still hasn't weened itself off of government money. And if Texas doesn't have all those federal bucks to keep their boarders secure, they will be swallowed up in the Mexican drug wars in less than 5 years, completely paralyzing their economy. As the violence spreads, the millionaires and billionaires will flee, intellectuals will flee, and anyone of reasonable means will flee. Texas will become a third world nation within a decade.

Do it Texas. I DARE YOU!

Well that is just an EXCELLENT idea. Can we package all of the racist morons that populate this site and have them sign a pledge to stay in Texas - then we let them go (we don't need the real estate - there's nothing in Texas except restaurant chains (how many really bad pasta chains can exist in one state?) and dust. And Jerry Jones. And for the guy who said they built their own highway system - I'll bet they did - have you ever tried to figure out the freeways in Dallas? Even the people in Dallas don't know where the hell they are most of the time (because they keep driving by shopping centers that all look the same with the same shi**y Italian chain restaurants).

This is great! Now we no longer will have to be embarassed by grown men playing cowboys and indians in their absurd hats and pointy boots (oh...and their really macho gun racks in the back of their oh-so-manly trucks). I will miss the big haired women, of course, and you can't get a good chaw outside of Texas, that's for dang sure. YeeHaw! And I would never again get to marvel at a Cadillac with cow horns on the hood - but you can't have everything. Yessir! Everythings big in Texas - with the exception of the intelligence level of the average Texan.

So Adios Amigos! If you decide to become a monarchy with Rick Perry as your leader, you would have the distinction of being the only monarchy in the world with an illiterate king. Remember to keep hangin' 'em high!

CuongDNguyen

Texans like myself are nice, prepared for almost anything and well-armed. Invading Texas may just be something a lot of people would be surprised at. Most people that I know carry guns and have small arsenals at home. Monthly shopping includes cases of ammunition for some of us. I may be a redneck old lady, but I do know how to defend myself, my family, my property, my neighbors and my friends, just as they will protect me.

I do not know what is going on politically and do not care. However, invasion of my place would be dangerous. Even the criminal element in town do not bother the area that I live in. However, anyone is welcome to try. In my opinion. :)

I gotta say...I am laughing my head off at all these great responses! You guys are genuinely funny! LOL! My guess is one nutbag started this and all of their friends signed it, and they are moving from state to state doing the same thing, like it's a skinhead group or some other sort of militarist group. Texas has always threatened to leave, so nothing new there. This is just a bunch of people who can't take that they lost. I feel sorry for them, really, but they might check out Canada. Don't like it here? Leave!

IWonder-932455 and all of the other uninformed conservatives that claim Texas takes in less federal dollars than they use it's a lie. Texas takes in far more than they give to the federal government. The numbers you are using DO NOT INCLUDE the money going into Texas from all of the military bases in Texas. If you remove all of the money those bases give to the Texas economy that comes from the federal government and US Taxes then Texas would be so far in debt they wouldn't see a way out. Those bases prop up the Texas government. And you can bet all of hose bases would be decommissioned and closed down if Texas left the Union.

Texas is the only state whose cars sport anything like the bumper sticker "Welcome to Texas- now leave!". I'm tired of the Texan bs of being bigger, better, and able to execute people faster than any place else in the union. Intellectually I do not believe any state has the right to secede- I think we fought a war over that. Emotionally, I am so sick of their hype that I would be pleased to see them go. And yes, they would be knocking on our door for "foreign aid" after the first drought or hurricane season.

Not sure why a lot of the comments throw all Texans under the bus based on the opinions of 23,000 people and one article. I'm also not sure where all of the negative comments come from regarding Texans. I have found, when visiting other states, that the people who have negative opinions about this state have neither been here nor do they know anyone who resides in the state. I know it seems a little elementary, but you all should know that not everyone from Texas is a cowboy who owns cows, horses, or a huge ranch. Just like every other state we have a mix of people with different opinions, backgrounds, culture, etc. Romney won the state with 57% of the vote, but remember the big chunk of voters left who DIDN'T vote for him.

I spent 20 years in the military. I'm an independant voter and I voted against Mr. Obama in the previous election. But I got sick and tired of Republicans wanting to cut or do away with veteran benefits. They want to do away with the Average Americans benefits as well so the wealthy can prosper off of YOUR hard work and pay you NOTHING! They want to pay YOU near NOTHING so they can PAY near NOTHING back into the system. YOU'LL pay it all for THEM when they have you paying nearly 80% in taxes so they can pay nothing!!!

My fellow Americans..... I am a Texan. With that identity comes a great deal of pride being a Texan. As a Texan, I've enjoyed the ability to ride out most of the ressesion unscathed. It was tough but we did it. Continuing to live here shows great promise in that we will continue to prosper.

My fellow Texans, I am an American citizen. With that identity, comes a fantastic amount of pride in that identity. I still get a lump in my throat when I hear the Star Spangled Banner. A tear comes to my eye when I hear of a soldier that lost his/her life defending that which I hold so dear, My country, my freedoms and my rights. I am a disabled Vet, injured in Iraq and Afghanistan. I served my country with honor and distincition.

To the pettition signers..... You do not represent the majority of Texans. You are a drop in a bucket of dishwater, about to flushed down the sewer. You have no right to decide for the rest of us this dispicable representation that will make a mockery of the people of this great state. You may leave this great country in the shamefull way you have paved for yourselves, but you leave the State as it were. Micha H. I pray I don't discover your identity. You are a coward and a false prophet. A treasonous dog that deserves to become the carrion of the buzzards that over-fly the Great State of Texas. A self-serving biggot that should be driven out of this country.

Well, if ignorance is bliss, Texas has got to be the place, wait a minute, isn't there a Fort Bliss, Texas, wow, yes there is, so please Texas take a minute and relax. Just because most people in your state believe the stupidity is a virtue, and living in a fact optional universe is fine, doesn't make it so. Stupidity not okay and facts do matter, you guys will just have to try and educate yourselves as best you can and join the 21 century before it's to late. Just because Romney won the Confederacy doesn't mean he could win the national vote. You guys will have to get use to losing with the candidates you support and the issues you believe to be true!!

I think that California should cede also as the Federal Government even under Pres. Bush does not pay our state for the incarceration of illegals..This has also been an issue for Arizona. When Janert Napolitano was governor of Arizona she asked the Feds to reimburse Arizona for the incarceration of illegals and got no response.People bash governor Jan Brewer but hse is also asking the Feds to reimburse her state for the incarceration of illegals and can't even get the support of Napolitano on this issue.If states do not get Federal funding for federal programs and housing illegals until they are deported than they should cede.

And God Created Texas

God was missing for six
days. Eventually, Michael, the archangel, found him, resting on the seventh
day.He inquired, "Where
have you been?"God smiled deeply and proudly pointed downwards through the clouds, "Look, Michael. Look what I've made."Archangel Michael looked
puzzled, and said, "What is it?""It's a
planet," replied God, and I've put life on it. I'm going to call it Earth
and it's going to be a place to test Balance.""Balance?"
inquired Michael, "I'm still confused."God explained, pointing
to different parts of Earth. "For example, northern Europe will be a place
of great opportunity and wealth, while southern Europe is going to be poor.
Over here I've placed a continent of white people, and over there is a
continent of black people. Balance in all things."God continued pointing
to different countries. "This one will be extremely hot, while this one
will be very cold and covered in ice."The Archangel ,
impressed by God's work, then pointed to a land area and said, "What's
that one?""That's Texas , the
most glorious place on earth. There are beautiful mountains, rivers and
streams, lakes, forests, hills, and plains. The people from Texas are going to
be handsome, modest, intelligent, and humorous, and they are going to travel
the world. They will be extremely sociable, hardworking, high achieving,
carriers of peace, and producers of good things."Michael gasped in wonder
and admiration, but then asked, "But what about balance, God? You said
there would be balance."God smiled, "I will
create Washington , D.C. Wait till you see the idiots I put there."

I say we keep Texas, seeing as by rights it belongs to OUR country, and anyone who's so partisan they can't deal with OUR elected president can move out, find their own land, with their own natural resources, and be as partisan and divisive as they would like.

YOU can go, and take your traitorous petitions with you. You however, do NOT get to take OUR land with you.

JohnRN wrote

Sorry Texas gave us Bush and so gets to take Bushs debt. We should charge you for rerouting the Interstates around your country. I secceded from Texas in 1990 havent looked back yet.

Ah, the year that mysterious stench left the air.

@Takamo - I currently live in North Carolina, and I understand a same type of petition is being forwarded here in my state. I would like to say that all of those cowards signing such a petition (most of whom have probably never served this country) are all welcomed to leave and form their own country in any land that will take them!

Kummar, get it right would you, NOT ONE STATE PASSED ANY PETITION TO SECEDE, there are internet petitions being circulated by A FEW INSANE LOSERS, the states themselves have nothing to do with it. In Texas 23,000 signed the petition out of 26,000,000, that is such a tiny minority of the people of that state that they dont even count. I probably own a bigger chunk of Texas than the 23,000 combined, and I don't even live there.

@Numb3rTech

You obviously have no idea what you are talking about. As soon as you are an independent country, you have no army, nothing.

Sure, you have some guns, but let's see you try it with an army that have jet, tanks and heavy machine guns. Let's see how long you can last.

Are all Texan train for war and have defense capacity as an independent nation? I don't think so, and you wouldn't last 3 days.

Obama- the most divisive president ever! Racism? Racism is arguably the worst it has ever been since this puke became POTUS. Racism? Like I said, Youtube, "Blacks Hate Obama" and watch some of these pissed individuals call their own race "ignorant n####rs!" And whites are called racist. Go figure.

Hey Repubtard. You are the dumbasses. Mittens cares so much about America, he puts millions of dollars in overseas banks so he doesn't pay taxes. He stated his sons will not got to war to protect American values. He stated that wealthy people will pay less taxes and he will increase spending on defense, (like that is needed). He can't add or subtract. Cut all social programs and you still have a deficit. Much of which is due to YOUR man, Bush Jr. Fighting TWO wars and did not put the expense on the books so people could see what it cost. Also, there are many yankees that would give the shirt of their back for you southerners. Think about Katrina and New Orleans. Think about the wildfires in Texas.

Go to YouTube and seach 'Whateverhappentocommonsense.com'. A black man's view of Obama and America!Very interesting views from a black man.

If Arizona follows suit, many Democratic votes will be forced to cross into the U.S. via California.

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petitions scroll down, arrow down, then scroll some more.

CuongDNguyen

Actually, I enjoy living in Texas. I do not wish to secede from the United States. I have not seen or signed any petition. I enjoy traveling in the entire United States. We are a great nation full of wonderful people. I just happen to be a 2nd Amendment advocate along with most of my friends. I am a peace loving person and only train for self defense and the protection of myself, my family, my neighbors, my property and to protect any innocents should there be a crazy person loose.

I always get along with the majority of people I meet and know, no matter where I am in the United States. I am proud to be a citizen of the United States and accepting of whom we chose as president.

I have never understood the hatred for Texans. Maybe it is because we have a bit more freedom in some ways or more probably because of some of the blowhards here. I have no idea or care. I hope you have a good evening.

I am from North Carolina and hear the same ignorant petition is being circulated here as well. I see the Republicans didn't learn a thing in this election... it is their ignorance, hatred, unwillingness to negotiate, hate-filled rhetoric, racism, backward ideas, etc., that caused them to lose this election. The "majority" in this country have spoken and whether you like it or not, blacks and hispanics and women are Americans and have an "equal" say... one vote per person. So if you want your party to be recognized as legitimate in this country, what you are doing now is NOT the way to gain legitimacy. You are acting like spoiled children who just lost a tee-ball game!! We ALL need to be encouraging our elected representatives to "work together" to get America rolling full steam ahead once again. But PLEASE, stop acting like spoiled children!!!

I am sure that the rest of the world is laughing at YOU right now and quite honestly, they have GOOD reason to laugh at this irresponsible, ridiculous, and childish behavior. If you think it is SO BAD HERE, THEN LEAVE!!! Nobody is stopping you. I have lived in several foreign countries over the years and have travelled extensively... and I can assure you the United States of America is the BEST place in the world to live!!! You have NO idea how spoiled you really are!!!

I hope they enjoy spending/earning their Lone Star bucks, I wonder how many will equal the American buck. How will the financial markets react to their Lone Star bucks, my guess they'll hate it! How many Lone Star bucks will it take to buy your house, will your mortgage accept them? Lone Star bucks = Confederate dollars. We all know what happened there! The economic impact must be way above their heads or their hate is just too blinding! Yes, I have lived in Texas. and have many Texans that are friends. They at least realize the true reality of the possibilities of secession.

No Sarah.

The US government does own land in Texas, it does not hold title to Texas. The whole concept of the United States of America was Individual Colonies that were united for the purposes of defense against foreign countries. The Articles of Confederation recognized the need for a body to maintian an army and navy because as seperate countries they would be doomed to attack and invasion by other countries and even England which did happen eventually.

Texas was an independent country for several years after winning their own independence from Mexico. They retained the right to secede at anytime.

Land ownership can be by the US, but for the most all land belongs to the individual or in the case of some statest that are comonwealths, the land really the states, with the individual possessing the rights to use it. The US government bought the area known as the Louisiana purchases and divided it into territories. The US also purchased Alaska and has retained ownership of vast portions of it. The US annexed Califorina New Mexico, Arizona, and Nevada from the Mexican-American war which was a border dispute.

Read the article, people. Texas didn't "pass" a petition, nor did any other state. All you need is to get 25k people out of the whole world to make up a name and "sign" your petition on the internet. There is no reason to think these people even exist. It could all be one guy in India playing a joke on us. Even if we assume every single person is real and legitimate, it still has no legal meaning and does not in any way bind the states involved or suggest that their governments agree with these petitions. This is nothing but an electronic suggestion box on the White House website. They require 25k "signatures" so they don't waste time replying to every crackpot asking about aliens at Roswell or airliners spraying chemtrails. Don't blame these states, they didn't do anything. Somebody on the net claiming to be from there basically sent a letter to the president, that's all that happened. Tempest in a teapot.

DB,

You would think you would no better by now. Yet you continue to embarrass yourself.

I am afraid I cannot be of much help with your problem, principally because I cannot imagine that such a question could ever reach the Supreme Court. To begin with, the answer is clear. If there was any constitutional issue resolved by the Civil War, it is that there is no right to secede. (Hence, in the Pledge of Allegiance, "one Nation, indivisible.") Secondly, I find it difficult to envision who the parties to this lawsuit might be. Is the State suing the United States for a declaratory judgment? But the United States cannot be sued without its consent, and it has not consented to this sort of suit.

Justice Scalia

And...

More importantly, beyond the Tenth Amendment, the Founding Fathers were attempting to create a "perpetual," "more perfect union," and not just some voluntary contract between states. Mackubin Thomas Owens writes for the Claremont Institute :

That the American Republic was both federal and national was the dominant view among statesmen of the antebellum period. For instance, in his reply to Calhoun on Feb. 16, 1833, Daniel Webster observed that the state conventions, including that of South Carolina, did not accede to a league or association when they approved the Constitution, but ratified and confirmed that Constitution as a form of government.

Andrew Jackson made the same point in his "Proclamation to the People of South Carolina" during the nullification crisis. The Constitution, said Jackson, derives its whole authority from the people, not the States. The States "retained all the power they did not grant. But each State, having expressly parted with so many powers as to constitute, jointly with the other States, a single nation, can not, from that period, possess any right to secede, because such secession does not break a league, but destroys the unity of a nation." And Madison, who presumably knew something about the constitutional theory of the American Founding, was horrified by the idea that the coordinate sovereignty retained by the States, as stated in the Tenth Amendment, implied the power of nullification, interposition, or secession.

Lincoln argued that the Union created the States, not the other way around and that the States had no other legal status than that which held in the Union. Harry V. Jaffa has demonstrated beyond reasonable doubt that the Revolutionary generation universally understood the separation of 13 colonies from Great Britain and the union among them to have been accomplished simultaneously. Colonial resolutions called for both independence and union. According to Jefferson and Madison in 1825, the Declaration of Independence constituted an "act of Union of the States."

The Articles of Confederation (a document that begins and ends with the assertion that the Union is perpetual) was an unsuccessful attempt to govern the Union created by the Declaration of Independence. It failed because the central government lacked the necessary power to carry out its obligations. The Constitution was intended to rectify the problems of the Articles — to create "a more perfect Union." As George Washington wrote in his letter transmitting the Constitution to Congress, "In all our deliberations we kept steadily in our view that which appears to us the greatest interest of every true American, the consolidation of our Union, in which is involved our prosperity, felicity, perhaps our national existence."

More Scalia...

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/44/2010/02/antonin-scalia-no-right-to-sec.html

Lincon...

http://www.apollo3.com/~jameso/secession.html

The final version of the Constitution never, not once refers to the states as "sovereign" and in case you didn't hear, we got rid of the Articles of Confederation A LONG time ago. Texas agreed to join the union which means, because the Constitution does not recognize them as such, gave up their sovereignty.

More Lincoln...

Our popular government has often been called an experiment. Two points in it, our people have already settled—the successful establishing, and the successful administering of it. One still remains—its successful maintenance against a formidable [internal] attempt to overthrow it. It is now for them to demonstrate to the world, that those who can fairly carry an election, can also suppress a rebellion—that ballots are the rightful, and peaceful, successors of bullets; and that when ballots have fairly, and constitutionally, decided, there can be no successful appeal, back to bullets; that there can be no successful appeal, except to ballots themselves, at succeeding elections. Such will be a great lesson of peace; teaching men that what they cannot take by an election, neither can they take it by a war—teaching all, the folly of being the beginners of a war.

And don't even try to give me that 10th Amendment crap. Every hear about a little thing called incorporation through the 14th Amendment?

"States rights" lost the fight. Both physically and legally. A long time ago.

Is it not funny that most of the nations “dirty secrets” throughout history are eventually tied to Texas? In some form or another?

Hmm………………….Interesting.

For the few extremists who believe that Texas is likely to survive on its own, there are a few things you are not considering.

Not only does Texas receive a good amount of federal funding for social programs, but it also receives quite a bit in federal funding because of the several military bases down there. Not only that, but those military bases also increase revenue because they bring more individuals there who will then, in turn, spend money there.

Texas also does well as a state because how much it exports. But, most of those exports are not from products in Texas, but products from elsewhere in the US. Without Texas, the US could easily export from other States located in the Gulf, but Texas would not be able to produce enough to keep up with it's current level of exports. Thus, Texas would lose a great deal of revenue from exports.

It would be highly unlikely that Texas would do well independently -- at least not initially. It's economy isn't diverse enough, it doesn't produce enough -- it's only advantage is oil and even then -- much of the revenue they receive is also oil exports from other parts of the US.

Texas would also have issues protecting their borders from Mexico. Even as much as people complain that the Fed doesn't do enough to protect our borders, without the Fed's help it would be infinitely harder for Texas to protect it's borders.

Sorry, guys -- anyone who does even basic research on this would recognize that Texas would not survive on its own. The people who signed this petition are just conservative extremists who are angry about Obama's re-election (despite the fact that both Obama and Romney laid out essentially the same economic plan -- cut taxes for those with lower income, invest in energy, etc.) and the rest are the same people who have been demanding a Texas secession for decades (This same story surfaces about every 10 years). I'd bet every penny I had that if they put it to popular vote in Texas, people would vote in a landslide for staying part of the union. Most people are intelligent enough to recognize that being a part of the U.S. is infinitely more beneficial to Texas than being an independent country.

Though, Puerto Rico did vote in favor of statehood -- so, we could make Puerto Rico a state, kick out Texas and still have 50 states (wouldn't even have to change our flag or anything!) ;)

Kevin C-752389

You Democrats can keep the U.S. debt that Obama, who you love and voted for, is running up.

LOL Truly pathetic. Let's look at it this way, Romney, who you love and voted for LOST!!!! Get over it sore loser. I understand you're 0-2, in the last two elections, but it's like that sometimes.

People like you bring stupidity and ignorance to a new level. I doubt there has ever been this much hate for a particular President in America's history, and anyone with any bit of sense knows why you'll hate this President so much.

@ Numb3rTech

I don't normally hate Texas as well, but this article just shows about theirs hatred. Why? They believe in democracy when it fits them and if anything goes wrong, it's either their ways or the highway.

What I said actually is a true of matter. As soon as Texas becomes an independent country, they like the rest of many small countries in the world and will be ripe for picking. They have no army, no way to defend themselves, that is fact.

So, they want the US to spend money to defend Texas? The people there have guns, yes, but they know almost nothing about wars. They think one or 2 guns with almost no training, no air or ground support vehicles and they can stand up to the US. They would have more problems than just invading armies, they would have to find way to support themselves like buying water and such.

Anyway, by all mean, just try to be independent, ever wonder what happen when a weak country exist next to a strong country? You can take Mexico and US for example and think about it.

Texas, when you withdraw from the Union, do you believe we will leave Fort Hood, Bliss, Sam Houston, NASA, at YOUR disposal? For a state that is dependent on federal funds which operate these massive bases plus more, you would be begging Mexico for help!

You hypocrites act like a bunch of pimpled faced lil boys who want their ball back so they can go home because they loss!!!!

LOL

People like you bring stupidity and ignorance to a new level. I doubt there has ever been this much hate for a particular President in America's history, and anyone with any bit of sense knows why you'll hate this President so much.

Guess you forgot the wretched hate laid on W. Bush there, brainiac. Amazing how you liberals have such a short attention-spanned selective memory. And nothing makes my morning Wheaties taste better than watching you people wet your beds over anything to do with Texas...a state that gave America that deranged liberal Democrat idiot LBJ that got us deeper into Vietnam and who pitched America into a damning never ending cycle of government welfare dependence from the Great Society's "war on poverty." Yep...and we have more households in poverty today that EVER...AFTER Obama's first four years. Liberalism = FAIL.

Oh, and we 48% that did NOT vote for Obama are NOT going away NOR are we going to shut up. Go pound sand, bed wetters!

Jhawke

Try to keep up, Bush is in the past, but it's ok when you hypocrites bring him up, right? Your whole statement above is sad.

You lost, it must be killing you, but get over it, move on and either work with President Obama, or continue on the obstructionist path most of you and your republican congress has been on since January 20, 2009.

See what I mean by stupidity? You're part of the 47% Romney doesn't care about, AND you voted for him.....LOL!!!

I remember Natalie Mains...

I remember a Congresscritter standing up on the floor of the US House of Representatives demanding she be charged with treason and not allowed to re-enter the country.

I remember the well-publicised "Dixie Chicks CD Burning Parties" where her group's records were burned, along with her being burned in effigy.

I remember the extreme media vilification, led by the Right Wing, saying she committed treason by criticising the President.

I remember the demands from the Right Wing saying that no one, especially someone with so much access to media should ever say anything negative about the President in public.

I remember her being pressured to make a public apology for her "disrespectful statement."

I remember the multiple reports of death threats aimed at her.

I remember radio stations announcing publicly that they were banning Dixie Chicks songs. Many of those bans are still in force today.

I remember calls from the talking heads on Fox that she be "stripped of her citizenship and permanently deported" for her "anti-American" and "unpatriotic" statement.

What did she say?

She said, (and I quote verbatim) "We're ashamed the President of the United States is from Texas."

Now, how is it that the Right Wing of this nation, aren't standing up and demanding the same exact treatment for all of you who called the President names like Obummer, and Odumba, for those of you who said that he's "destroying America", who claim that he is a muslim, who claim that he was really born in Kenya, for those of you who call him a "socialist"? (Especially since none of you have the first clue what socialism really is...)

Why are none of you being held to the exact same standard?

Why is no one demanding any of you be charged with Treason?

Why is no one demanding any of you be deported?

Why is no one demanding that your citizenship be taken away?

Why is no one else asking these questions?

Why is it unacceptable that a RepubliCON President be criticized, yet a Democrat can be utterly libeled with racist, hateful, dishonest, and repugnant comments?

You live by the worst double-standard.

Add to your list the stupidity of Sarah Palin who called the President a "Muslim Terrorist!"

This is too funny!

Why do any of you think that the people who signed this petition represent those of us who call Texas home? How do we know they even live in Texas?

I voted for Obama and I love my country. Texas is a great state, just like the other 49 that make up our great country. To those of you that say Texas should go, and good riddance and all of that other hurtful crap you post here you should all be ashamed! COUNTRY FIRST!!!!! Every state contributes a quality that is GREAT!!

GOD BLESS AMERICA!!!!!!

revoke the citizenship of every traitor that signs one of those petitions and deport them asap maybe to a nice consevative theocracy like Iran.

0.001% of Texas' population signed a petition to secede whoopee ding dong. Keep dreaming if you think Obama is gonna go against the remaining 99.999% that didn't sign it. Although I would love it if all the redneck, racist, right wing idiots could move to Texas and be in another country so we wouldn't have to claim them anymore.

Surely those idiots in Texas aren't going to let 25000 people speak for the rest of the state just because they signed a freakin petition, are they that stupid?

Mr. President:

I confess that there are several parts of this constitution which I do not at present approve, but I am not sure I shall never approve them; for having lived long, I have experienced many instances of being obliged by better information, or fuller consideration, to change opinions even on important subjects, which I once thought right, but found to be otherwise. It is therefore that the older I grow, the more apt I am to doubt my own judgment, and to pay more respect to the judgment of others. Benjamin Franklin - 1787

http://www.usa-patriotism.com/speeches/bfranklin1.htm

What is it time for is Americans to get back the dignity and integrity of our forefather and adapt the attitude that created this great nation in the first place. To stop the hate and bickering that one's opinions matters more than the next. THAT is what will help heal this country.

Americans helping Americans.

And to our veterans of the past, and those still serving our country, Thank you for your service. And to those who gave all, RIP. Your service does not go unnoticed.

CuongDNguyen

For all I know, the stupid lists for seceding from the United States may have been started by someone from another country. The names may all be fake. It could also be done by some fanatic from any of the parties to further divide the idiots that respond with hatred. Hatred and ignorance is a great divider.

Just because my friends located all across the United States are preppers, and are prepared for local disasters, along with being legal gun carriers and have our own little armories, does not mean we are for fighting for independence from the United States. We all like being a part of this great nation. I started carrying a gun when my life was threatened one time and a sheriff told me to start carrying a gun. I have continued that, but I will not fight in a stupid civil war. I will only defend myself, my family, my neighbors and my property, along with any innocents that some idiot with a gun is trying to take out; and there is not time for the police to get there. My main perceived threats are drug runners, car jackers, people high on drugs or burglars.

I am sincere citizen of the United States and plan to stay that way. I do not understand the hatred for Texans because of some crackpot petition that may not have even originated in the United States. I have not seen it, heard about it until today right here, have not signed it and refuse to sign it.

By my stating I like being independent, I meant I do not want to be a burden to anyone else. I care and help my neighbors, friends, veterans and get great pleasure in welcoming soldiers back home from fighting wherever they are from. I have served on the Board for the Disabled in my area and assisted in building ramps and helping others.

If you want to group me as one of the idiots, go ahead. I do not understand a lot of the crap in the comments here anyway. I am proud to be a citizen of the United States and a Texan. I support our government and pay my taxes proudly. I own my own little house and the land it is on. I am trying to be as green as possible, being a prepper. I stock up in case of any disaster. I live in tornado alley and am also in a 100 year flood zone. I am preparing for either disaster to happen, especially after seeing the problems in NJ and NY. I have contributed what I can to the Red Cross. If I were closer, I would be doing more.

May you find peace. I am refraining from getting into the political aspects of this conversation. We elected our president and we should support him and the legislative bodies as they work through these rough times. I just pray for all people and hope all of us can once again become united to be the best nation possible.

Signed: Sonya Jones aka Numb3rTech .. Proud citizen of the United States and a Texan.

I am with Kevin!!!! I will head to Texas. U.S. has no money. Wait until they see the job market in January. These Ameicanese already have lost this Great Nation UNDER GOD. Now its under Satan. Time for the Civil War II too begin. We will Leave this Union of lies, corruption, deception, destroying, overspending, propaganda and murdering. Can not wait until the horn blows from the sky to start the cleansing. The Arch will move to China where they will have world power. This is written. Thanks to the Sumerians. Were one up!!! God is on our side. They liberals forgot about Sodom and Gomorrah. They even forgot about the Tens Commandments. I feel sorry for them....:( You can take God out of your speech and your daily activities of life. But you can not take it out of this Universe. Universal Intelligence (God) Rules over all Matter.

If Texas leaves the Union and Puerto Rico joins the Union, we don't have to change the American flag. :)

I love it....This is still going on ......

Obama IS the President of the United States of America....

Treason.Treason.Treason. I said it three times...

Now If I could just catch up to the right-wing hate sphere on the Dixie Chicks....With as many lies sprinkled in as "They" could.

Just a bunch of loosers. Your candidate lost, get over it already!

No. A loser would be someone that would cast a vote to throw their country under the bus just so they could say "My team won! HaHa!" Hopefully (but doubtfully), liberals will grow up in the next four years.

Maybe then, we could send all the Obstructionist Republicans to Texas to stay forever. Plus, force them to obtain severely checked- out visas with the same suppression laws they forced upon the voters. Unfortunately, that will never happen, which you can bet upon. The Slavery South never learned their lesson from the Civil War. Have pitty on the ignorant radical, passe' Southern Republicans!!

So many times has someone said SECEDE, its nothing new except when the media decides to bring it to the front page for those who haven't heard. Texas has nothing to offer and cannot afford even if it were legal to form its own government. Its land isn't government owned and there in would be nationalizing countless forms of business and export. You'd have a broken country with literally no-one wanting to contribute and not a damn dime of oil money would be for the government.

For you blame bush crowd,, -or want to be well informed conservatives.. if you recognize the economic recession on the overbuilt housing and excessive loans,, Then blame Clinton and HUD for creating the "National Homeownership Strategy" in 1995, which was a 100 point action plan to increase home-ownership in America. In 1999, HUD under Clinton and A Cuomo, REQUIRED Fannie and Freddie Mac to buy up get this: 2.4 TRILLION DOLLARS IN MORTGAGES over 10 years, or until 2009, the economy collapsed in 2008.. Just once I'd like to hear a liberal accept blame for creating the mess were in, especially when they created it. -go look it up on the internet, a good place to start is with a site called "the Affordable Mortgage Depression" and you all need to be informed,, thx,

saxon says : [texas is] totally self sufficient in everything.

haha...Texas is the Feds biggest customer for handouts (you ARE the 47%).

Without all the money the blue states pour into the country’s treasury to give to all the South's poor whites - folks in the red states would starve to death in 3 months.

But it is hard to resist the urge to beg Obama to cut the dead wood loose...lol.

Here I sit in Virginia as a born and raised Texan. My family still lives in that state! One percent of the population of Texas wants to secede so I'm so supposed to believe that ALL want to do the same. I have read these posts, found sarcasm in some, hidden racism in some, and straight hatred in others. WHY? Talking about a nation divided for things that some one can't change! The President can't change his skin color. People keep yelling out his spending...Spending on what? Don't give me Solyndra or whatever the name of that failed company is. For every Solyndra, I will give you MCI Worldcom. See I guess people's memory are only as long as their Presidential election. ALL PRESIDENTS HAVE HAD SOME TYPE OF FAILURE! For the lady that proclaimed that she was voting Democrat since 1980 but not in 2008, what made you change your mind then? I have a poster telling me to check out YouTube about the "angry" Blacks mad at Obama. Was there a YouTube video about the angry Whites mad at Bush or Clinton? How does a minority of Blacks(As I have said about Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson) speak for a whole race? That's like saying John Gotti speaks for all Italians or Hitler spoke for all Germans! I'm so glad David Duke didn't speak for all Whites or I would be still in chains or hung! Wonder what is dividing this country? It isn't what Obama is doing or what he has said(Witness the woman said she voted Democrat since 1980), it's the perception being thrown out about him. Whether he is an American citizen( I heard that for 4 years), Muslim (I'm hearing that one still), or giving YOUR money to the poor Black people (still hearing that one even though it's proven that a majority of Whites are on welfare or entitlements), the man could never win! I gave Bush 8 years, I gave Clinton 8 years, Bush's daddy got four from me(Not counting the 8 he was there under Reagan) Why can't this man get a fair shake? I will eat my words in 4 years if things are worse BUT if things are better, will YOU DO THE SAME!

You migh actually have a point. But lets be real this country is in the mess thats it in now because og George Bush. That is a fact. HEll, When Clinton left office in 2000 we were nowhere near a recession. This George Bush's fault. It is the truth.

If anyone ever had a doubt about liberal media bias, this should clear it up.

In '04 when Bush won his second term, liberal states did the same thing. But no one heard about it, because the media doesn't point it out when liberals throw their little fits. Only when tiny minority groups of conservatives do.

Get bent, msn

I live in Texas, and although I do not agree with many of the things the state government has done here, I can tell you that most of you are way off and do not understand the people here. First, more people would have signed the petition had it been necessary. It wasn't. They had the required signatures and they sent it.

Second, what most of you do not understand about Texans, whether they voted Democrat, Republican, or independent, is that Texans are self-sufficient, fiercely independent, and resist outside intereference. That's all parties, including whites, blacks, and hispanics. Texas is the only state with it's own power grids. The reason was that so Texas would never have to rely on others for their electricity. Texas provides the most oil to the US (speaking only internally), and provides more soldiers to the Armed Services than any other state. Texas also pays more in federal taxes than it receives. Without offending the commenters who did not make the tax dollar comments, the ones who did are just partisan hacks.

Texas is not a hillbilly state and never was. It is a state filled with many different cultures who believe so much in freedom from government or any outside control, that we are willing to fight, (and die) to maintain the right to live our lives freely as long as we do no harm to others. Texas is not a Republican, Democrat, conservative, or liberal state. It is a state where people have always come to be free and they want to keep it that way. No offense to anyone else, but most would have to be born or raised here to understand us. And Finally, we do not hate Obama. No matter who the president, we do not want anyone imposing their will on us. All of you should be the same way, and I am shocked that there are so many who are not. Thank you for reading. I apologize for the long post.

Sarah the "Bitch is Back". How lovely to see you and your Wikipedian asinine remarks. Where's Feisty? Has she climbed out from underneath her rock too?
You people seem to think Texas is nothing but dust and cowboys. How ignorant of you. Now we have another ethnic group in our country? The Texicans. Sounds like you're all a bunch of racist punks to me.
You also seem to think that 25,000 people make a quorum in the state of Texas. Again--how ignorant. Obama may have won the election, but almost half the people in this country think he SUCKS as a leader, so don't get yourselves all puffed up over a win. It most certainly wasn't a landslide victory.
He still continues to divide this country and that's painfully obvious.

Marge,

You say bitch as if it's an insult???

Plus, that's a great song.

By the way, did you read my posts? I said Texas isn't going anywhere. If you want to leave the union, move out. You don't get to take our country's land with you.

Londoncalling1

We stole Texas from Mexico- it's time to do the right thing and give it back.

WRONG! In 1836. Mexican soldiers began murdering the American immigrant they had invited to settle there a decade or so earlier. American immigrants formed militias and kicked Mexico's ass. The land was their prize of war taken fair and square. Stop the Latino propaganda.

Why wasn't this put on the Texas Ballot? Please do it in 2014.

Sarah-3043284

I say we keep Texas, seeing as by rights it belongs to OUR country, and anyone who's so partisan they can't deal with OUR elected president can move out, find their own land, with their own natural resources, and be as partisan and divisive as they would like.

YOU can go, and take your traitorous petitions with you. You however, do NOT get to take OUR land with you

I see a lot of posts like this from Sarah...people that think that Texas, nor any state, has the right to secede. Well, according to the Constitution, they don't. But at one time there were these colonies...and they were part of the English empire. England felt it was illegal for them to secede as well. There were lots of English here that didn't want to leave the mother country.

Fortunately our founding fathers came to the conclusion that they weren't being represented and that the philosophies and demands coming from the current government didn't fit with freedom or what is right.

Still think secession is something that can't happen?

Still think secession is something that can't happen?

Yes.

Because we have things like drones and mass communication and we're neither across the ocean from you nor would it takes three weeks to get to you even if we were. We have federally funded and federally run military bases right in your back yard.

Sorry if it tarnishes your flag pin there, buddy, but this ain't 1776. Put the tri-corn hat away and deal with reality.

I nominate Ron Paul to be the first president of the new and upcoming nation of Texas! :)

Let's get'er done, only 14 or 15 million votes to go. I signed on yesterday.

just seems a little peculiar that this succession idea happens when a majority of WHITE PEOPLE DON'T GET THEIR WAY, I haven't heard any other ethnicity say they want out because a certain type of man was elected.

I'll bet there are only a few who signed that petition that are actually from Texas. They should have to post a legal Texas Address for their signature to be counted.

Jerry-1903677 re: #1.29 Well said!

After the 2000 presidential elections, there were dozens of stories about 'blue state' voters trying to move to Canada because they felt disenfranchised. The Canadian government had to issue a statement reminding American citizens that while they were welcome to visit any time, they still had to get approval from the Canadian government before moving to Canada.

This seems like the same emotional reaction that the blue state voters had in 2000 - it's just repeating itself.

There is nothing in the Texas constitution that says they can leave the union if they want to.

Actually, it doesn't matter if there were. The US Constitution (indeed, federal laws) override state constitutions.

Texas was an independent country for several years after winning their own independence from Mexico. They retained the right to secede at anytime.

If, indeed, they retained such a right (and it was recognized by Congress), that right was certainly lost when Texas was readmitted to the Union after the Civil War.

Talk about wasted effort. The people behind these petitions should just get on with their lives.

State constitutions are approved by Congress before a territory can have statehood. Thus anything that warranted the right to leave is most likely not in there.

This is such an easy fix. Make the nothern edge of Texas the border. Move back all the military and federal agents including the border patrol. Build a fence, done. I'm sure the Texas Rangers will have no problem with the Cartels. The IQ of the US will be raised and the Beastilaty and Incest rates will fall. Win/Win

Just a bunch of loosers.

Add a week to the suspension for not knowing how to spell LOSERS.

Can i sign the petition to boot Texas out?

Ever notice the irony to their marketing slogan "Texas, it's like a whole other country." Yeah, it is, in a not-good way, and i bet the Texans don't even know it :)

Why not offer to sell Texas back to the Mexicans in a reverse Louisiana Purchase! Put the "Texican" back into the language!

Let them secede and see how long it takes before their new government has to raise taxes so high to support their government that no one will be able to live there, or people will be scrambling to get out of the state because even more services will be cut by their "new" government. Federal dollars help to keep TX afloat. Remember that Perry refused stimulus money until he needed millions of federal money to rebuild his mansion after it was set on fire. That was one expense that ONLY Texans should have covered, not the rest of the US taxpayers.

If you give Texas back to the Mexicans, we will be allowing more illegal immigrants an easier path into the U.S., not to mention giving them more land to grow their illegal crops, giving up all the oil fields in Texas, and subjecting all the residents of Texas to the lawlessness found throughout Mexico. I say we just take the people who signed the petition and send them to Mexico.

Actually, we could keep the Mexicans and deport the Texans back to their own country.

Wonder who they'd stick on their currency?

I wonder how long the Texas economy would last without the 20 military bases we ALL fund there. What kind of whining will there be when the next hurricane comes along? This wouldn't be a bad idea if we could get all the bible-thumping, gun-waiving Tea-baggers to go to Texas. No big loss really. It would also help the rest of the country with the illegal Mexican immigrant issue because you know Texas will form a militia to patrol the border.

Oh, and I want every penny back over what they paid in federal taxes for the last four year. As well, they need to take on every cent of debt that GW ran up. Fox News Entertainment can be their state run media.

I say just give TexA$$ back to Mexico with an apology from having stolen it

Please take it back!

They really think they can bitch about the economy when it was their boy Bush who screwed it up?

They are truly the armpit of America!

besides... we still have a Bush or two ya'll ain't elected yet

Ah, Arlington, Texas--"The Entertainment Capital of Texas." Besides mall shoppers and pot-bellied restaurant-goers, you won't find any lean, mean fighting machines here. You will find teens with joystick blisters on their thumbs, though. It's not a stretch to suggest that France has manlier men than Arlington.

Goodbye TX.............Maybe we can SELL the state to Mexico!!!!!

They can take the rest of Texas -- but we get to keep Austin!

We can replace the state of Texas with the US possessed state of Puerto Rico. Don't have to mess up the flag that way.

And....... Texas can patrol their own damn borders.

Similar petitions from other states have also been filed including: Alabama, Arizona, Arkansas, Colorado, Florida, Georgia, Indiana, Kentucky, Louisiana, Michigan, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, New Jersey, New York, North Carolina, North Dakota, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania, South Carolina and Tennessee. However, unlike the petition from Texas, none of these states had reached the 25,000-signature threshold to get an official White House response as of Monday evening.

More to follow! What is liberalism going to do without Republicans to pay for it? Man would I love to find out!

Yeah, let's not forget Austin. Sherman and New Braunfels are pretty cool, too. I'd sell Fort Worth for a penny, though--and, buyer beware on that purchase. I wouldn't wish Temple, Texas on my worst enemies.

With News coming out of Philadelphia and Cleveland No wonder Texas and other states want to secede from the Union.

Really? No one made a mistake? In 59 precincts? and more votes in Ohio districts than the number of registered voters.

Only one word comes to mind. Fraud

I did 13 years in Texas and am happy to say I got out just in time to enjoy my retirement. There is nothing, and I mean absolutely nothing Texas hasof or produces (cough, cough) that is any real value, including Texans. I say cut 'em loose and never let them back in, not even on a Visa. They can suck on gas and oil pipes for sustenance, and eat their own young which wouldn't be a stretch considering their superiority complex without substance or merit. Go, Texas! No, I MEAN GIT!

I would really like it if Texas seceded! They would be able to stop the massive flow of illegals into the rest of the U.S., thus giving the U.S. a much needed respite from having to pay for free housing, education, food stamps and medical care for these mooches! The only problem with letting Texas secede is that a lot of the surrounding states might just want to join them! After 20 years or so of the heart of the country merging in with Texas there would only be the East and West coasts that would be liberal enclaves. Then the new country that would be built around Texas would be forced to put up fences to stop the flow of anti-liberal migrants trying to find a place where they can raise their families without the constant irritation of the liberals in charge! It would be a dream!

What is liberalism going to do without Republicans to pay for it?

Texas is one of those parasite states that receives more federal dollars than it pays in. What is Texas going to do without all that big government money? Raise taxes or become a third world nation. My bet is on the latter.

Here's why: They won't be able to patrol their boarders. The Mexican drug wars will spill into Texas. The millionaires, billionaires, intellectuals, professionals, and anyone of reasonable means will flee. The economy of Texas will collapse, further worsening the problem. Within a decade, Texas will be a third world nation.

I say let them go! Then we can place an embargo on their oil and their beef. We deny them entry into the U.N. and thy will quickly see what it's like to be a real third world country. Let Mexico envade them and take over. They are all becoming a bunch of backwards kooks anyway.

Do any of you idiots remember something called "The Civil War?" Those of you so happy to see Texas leave the Union disgrace the thousands that died to keep this nation whole. And it's especially disgraceful on Veterans' Day. WTF is wrong with some of the people in this country?

Pragmatic, I guess you don't care about the energy produced in Texas! I am sure that Texas still produces a whole lot more oil than they use. If you take away the states in this country that produce energy from the liberal ones there would be a great "sucking sound" of people leaving the east and west coast. I am also sure that Texas would be able to enforce their own borders a lot better than Obama and his "I don't care" brigades! I have lived in Texas and I am sure they would succeed and prosper and their loss would start a landslide of states leaving. Just look at the presidential election and see how "fly-over" country is not real happy with the libs on the coasts dictating their lives and taking their treasure. Once again, I am sure that the liberals are not counting the income from oil in their stupid statements that Texas is taking more federal funds than they pay out!

Where the hell do I sign up in Colorado?!!!!!

I live in Texas and I voted for President Obama and support him. Everytime these idiots start this nonsense about seceding people think they actually can do so. Just to be clear, NO STATE, NOT EVEN TEXAS, CAN SECEDE FROM THE UNION. We had a little conflict called THE CIVIL WAR that established this. And if this wasn't enough the U.S. Supreme Court ruled in TEXAS v. White (1865) that secession from the Union was unconstitutional. These people need to get a freaking education and get over the fact that they LOST. I've never seen so many sore losers in my life. YOU LOST BECAUSE YOU ARE LOSERS NOW GET OVER IT!!!!

Texastan and Arizonastan. . .kinda catchy, no? I just have to laugh and laugh and laugh. What a bunch of weeners!!!

And, for all of you criticizing Texas, you better read the list of states that have like petitions, and it is a growing list. Yours is probably one of them.

I was born in Texas and raised in Arkansas. What if I don't want to secede from the union like everyone else I know. Would you Republicans take all my assets and evict me from my property? At least since it would be Republicans taking over they would do away with gun laws....

Article..."Similar petitions from other states have also been filed including: Alabama, Arizona, Arkansas, Colorado, Florida, Georgia, Indiana, Kentucky, Louisiana, Michigan, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, New Jersey, New York, North Carolina, North Dakota, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania, South Carolina and Tennessee. However, unlike the petition from Texas, none of these states had reached the 25,000-signature threshold to get an official White House response"...
Texas is "special", lol! Let them go, it would be well worth it, oil or no. Of course, they'd come crawling back.

What about the fact that us Bible thumping teabaggers are the ones paying for all of self entitled welfare collecting no job having give me everything idiots? I have an education that I paid for, not with loans but by working full time. I have always worked and payed my own way. I was laid off from a job that I had been at for 15 years as were others that had been there for as many as 30 years. Not because of Bush but after years of Obama. I went from having excelent insurane to having pathetic insurance that cost more and covered even less. I did not ask for change because my family had worked hard to get ahead. 6 months of being laid off pretty much leveled our bank account but we paid all of our bills and all of our debts believing that if we worked hard enough we would regain what was lost. Why should I pay for your food and health care? When have you ever paid mine? I believe that if you receive any kind of assistance from the government that you should have to take a drug test ( I have to take one for my work )and you should have to do community service 40 hours a week ( I generally work 45-50 for my pay ). Would I leave this country? Maybe maybe not but the thought of taking more of my income and giving to the less fortunate does not set well with me. Nor does forced health care coverage. I pay cash for my family's doctor visits and medications and still pay less than the insurance premiums that are available for me and my diabetic wife. You call us names for not wanting to share everything that we worked for but if I say anything about your lack of work ethic you get offended. I will fight to keep my way of life and do not want yours. If you want the Bible thumping tea baggers to leave then pay your own way for a CHANGE!

Don't worry guys. Take a chill pill. The arm-chair loons who signed the petition are a tiny drop in the bucket to the 26 million who would never even consider it, and rightly so. Oh, and Rockport and Palacios are kind of cool, too.

I am a Texan, borned and raised here. But this sounds like a stupid jests that Mr Perry would do. Please don't judge us by the rednecks of the south. Everyone has problems. We have Bush and Perry. And others un named. But we are far from being our on country. This is a stupid republicans game.

Save Our Souls-- whos going to pay for sandra flukes pills so she can go out gang banging , mississippi ?

I love all the judgemental, ignorant, and racist people on these forums. I happen to live in Texas and I have also lived in Florida, Oregon, and Idaho and I gotta say that of all those states I have found very kind, loving, family-oriented people here in Texas who don't deserve your criticism. 34,000 people may sound like a lot for this little petition, but it's far from the whole state so I take great offense at people who have probably never set foot in this state, quickly jumping on this "let's hate the Texas rednecks" bandwagon and kick them out of the union. They are blowing off steam in the only way they know how, because they, like MANY americans are upset about the election. This will cool down in a few weeks. But it's very hypocritical for all you hateful people on here to pretend like you wouldn't be upset if people were calling you out on your state's flaws. Should we call California the land of the gays and crazy people? Should we call Oregon the land of the pot head hippies? How about them in-breeders in Arkansas? Or how about we just all try to move on and stop being SO fast to insult people we don't even know. What has become of America? It's a land of laziness, rudeness, ignorance, and arragonce. Rather than point fingers at past presidents or each other, let's take a good look in the mirror and strive to strenghthen ourselves and our families to be better people. Are any of you perfect? Cause by the sound of this forum you must all be shining like gold since you can so easily judge your fellow americans. Shame on you.

I will say this again as plainly as I can so you dolts can understand it, YOU ANIT TAKING MY LAND OUT OF THE USA. I own a nice chunk of land around Lake Dallas and it is remaining in the United States of America. If 34,000 of you TRAITORS want to leave then I suggest you hop on the next bus to Juarez and get the hell out of this country ASAP because you are beginning to piss real and patriotic Americans off with this talk of secession. Texas has 26,000,000 residents and until you get more than half the people to sign your little petition you are just pissing in the wind, now SHUT UP AND GROW UP, you are as much to blame as anyone for the mess our economy is in, you are the idiots who gave us George Bush.

Once again, I am sure that the liberals are not counting the income from oil in their stupid statements that Texas is taking more federal funds than they pay out!

All that means is that they have the money to pay for their own s**t and I don't have to pay for it! AND YET they still get my money.

Texas is one of those parasite states that receives more federal dollars than it pays in

Bull@!$%#.

economist.com/blogs/dailychart/2011/08/americas-fiscal-union

TERM LIMITS For Congress

Here is a petition I started for term limits in congress and Senate.

Help me reach 150 signatures so it can appear in the public section of whitehouse.gov for others to view and vote.

Please vote at https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/term-limits-congress-and-senate/sNrxTd1T

Weve all seen the approval rating of our elected officials (both parties)..Lets send them all a message.

Go ahead, be your own country. Don't forget, you'll have to provide you're own military, boarder patrol and welfare for all the illegals and deadbeats. That place will be a cartel ran third world country in no time. The only thing that will remain big in TX are the taco and bean filled butts and guts giggling around.

"...It is the manifest determination of the American people that no State, of its own will, has a right or power to go out of or separate itself from, or be separated from the American Union; and that, therefore, each State ought to remain and constitute an integral part of the United States..."

I could care less what Andrew Jackson said way back then, but it would be nice if this media would include the beginning and ending of the entire quote.

Wow, Christmas comes early!

First, President Obama takes Citizen Romney "to school" in the Electoral College, and now this!

Thank you, Santa!

No store-bought cookies for you this year; I'm baking chocolate chip!

Kevin C-752389 - I think it's sad that you were collapsed because those on here who want THEIR thoughts heard are unwilling to allow you to say your opinion. You have just as much right as everyone else to state your thoughts. I'm sorry people are so mean.

I really don't know what sickens me more, non-Texans and their ridiculous stereotypes and misconceptions (Texas' allegedly taking in more tax dollars than it pays being a great example), or Texas' going out of its goddamn way to validate those ridiculous stereotypes and misconceptions.

We're supposed to be ONE country, for f*ck's sake. Let's leave all this petty infighting behind us. After all, this is not a country of blue and red states, it's a purple country --

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It's not like there isn't a huge liberal population in Texas or massive conservative pockets in, say, California or New York. I think we're letting the whole electoral-college thing shape our mental scheme of how the country works. Which is another powerful reason why we should do away with it. It only helps divide us further.

As an American, it is my belief, we have a right and responsibility to take action against any form of government that is forcing policy and laws upon the nation; that is against the liberties and Constitutional Rights of the majority... This recent Re-election of President Obama and his open socialist policies are an example of this. If the Federal Government will not respect and protect the rights of the citizens; then state governments have the responsibility to step forward holding the Federal Government accountable...

The recent re-election scenario evidenced so clearly the growing liberal/socialistic views that are NOT shared by a vast number of Americans and states equally... The media was allowed to skew election results by prematurely announcing state results while polls were still open and limiting voter turnout. In essence, we had an election with an incumbent President using, Color, Ethnic Fears, Gender and deflated employment percentages to diminish vote turnout; and, in my opinion, open distain of the Constitution; and the media went along with this platform unchecked. Fundamentally, the media was given the free reign of going from reporting the news to manipulating the election for the benefit of the incumbent President.

This ever increasing liberal/socialistic view of government and its media agencies has allowed the views of a few liberal states and leaders to overrule the views of the majority states. As such, individual states and its people must band together and decide once and for all… “Do we continue down the path of unceasing economic destruction and forced government mandates /increasingly repressed liberties over its citizens?’ “OR, do we step forth in one voice, with similar states of shared conviction in the Constitution and what it stands for, declaring, "This is One Nation under God" as ordained by God and documented by our forefathers, the signers of the Declaration of Independence and Constitution...” With this mindset do we step forward as a separate nation or continue down the path of ever growing subservient chains that binds us from our freedoms? The State of Texas is just the beginning…..

Where do I sign PA's petition ?

When the Republicans (also fellow Americans) won the Presidential Race last (Mr. Bush) I know of some Democrats (also fellow Americans) that gave up on "all of us" and they moved to another country. It was their right to leave and it the right of these 34,000 Texans to leave if they want to but they can't take our America away from the rest of us. This is a perfect example of the "real" problem this Great Country is facing. We are all forgetting that this is the Land of the Free and Home of the brave and regardless of what party is in office we all better start treating them and each other with more love and compassion. Talk about trickle down effect; is this the legacy we want to leave our kids, grandkids and their futures? They all need to read the book or go see the Movie about Abraham Lincoln and what he and the other leaders after him have done for all of us to secure our freedoms and our future. Did Texas not see what just took place on the East Coast? How about 9-11, Katrina and all of other horrible disasters that have hit our country that we all faced together as a country and came back from the devastation? Serious?

It is NOT unconstitutional for a state to leave the union. The Civil War did NOT prove that secession wasn't an option for ANY state. And in the US Supreme Court case of Tx vs. White, there was no ruling that secession is unconstitutional.

I won't side with the teaparty regardless of which state they are trying to take over. I'm more inclined to wait for the petitions of the good people of each of these states when they decide they need help in ridding their states of these tea party members that have armed themselves to the hilt. Texas is an awesome state as are all the rest of the states. There was a reason for an enhanced NDAA bill as well as the decision to use drones here in the states. The tea party is the reason.

These extremists accuse the rest of the nation for trying to destroy the US Constitution and here they are boldly claiming they want to toss it in the trash can entirely and claim their own sovereign countries by annexxation. I think they have grossly underestimated the patriotism of their very own state's citizens.

I really don't know what sickens me more, non-Texans and their ridiculous stereotypes and misconceptions (Texas' allegedly taking in more tax dollars than it pays being a great example), or Texas' going out of its goddamn way to validate those ridiculous stereotypes and misconceptions.

Isn't that the truth. They tend to put themselves up above the rest of the nation, calling themselves, Texas Nationals; as if it were their own little country. They always want to out do everybody. While deployed overseas, at the national guard post, there was a plaque representing all the states that were over their. Each one was identical to the next except for the inscriptions; except for TX. They had to make theirs bigger.

On the flagpoles, not only did the Texas flag fly above the US flag, they make sure it was LARGER. That's a major no-no. One day the flag mysteriously disappeared then reappeared on someones door step looking kinda like a well, pretty snowflake....with tire tracks running across. Even if I knew what exactly happened to it, I'll never tell. This was a classic example of their huge idea that the world revolved around them.

I saw Florida on the list. Does that mean we can recall our skinhead governor? He's probably the one that started the petition.

As far as Texas goes, you can give that state to Mexico or whoever will have it. There is no cure for stupid.

Louisiana started this and now it's spread to other states. Guess i'll have to get my flag out. CSA forever

I'm not advocating this idiotic petition in anyway, but I'd wage Texas could probably support itself independently given that 1) it's economy is already primarily supported by energy and 2) it has major ports with international trade.

That said, I'd happily have those 26,000 people revoke their American citizenship since they find our country so terrible.

I have to agree with "Annoyed in Texas" (2.36). So what if 34,000 angry Texas Republicans signed a petition to secede? 34,000 morons are hardly representative of the entire state. As "Annoyed" said, lots of other states have filed similar idiotic petitions, just with fewer signatures -- Alabama, Arizona, Arkansas, Colorado, Florida, Georgia, Indiana, Kentucky, Louisiana, Michigan, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, New Jersey, New York, North Carolina, North Dakota, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania, South Carolina and Tennessee. The unthinking losers who signed petitions in those states are likewise not representative of so many tens of millions of Americans who live within the borders of those states.

The election is over and it's time for Americans to start acting like Americans. Our nation faces serious problems that require intelligent, creative solutions -- not interstate rivalries.

America used to be proud of its diversity, now it is run by those who only want uniformity and control. I do not really care for Texas, nice people but not my type of lifestyle. However after seeing all the boneheads comment on how we do not need them I am reminded they are the ones who wish to have no diversity and they are the ones who hate the most. It occurs to me who would they really be if they did have a personality strong enough to support our diversity and culture without their hatred and self loathing. Even though I do not like liberals, I must tolerate all because without it we would be just another third world country unable to have any future. This nation exists because of all who are here, to take part of that away would hurt all of us.

I think this petition has more going for it then democrats want to believe. Where would you democrats be if every republican left every state? Since democrats don't like to share their own money, it is possible that the nation's poor would be in even more trouble than before.

I think the country has gone too far to the left and the whole country knows it.

You leftists can't spend and still expect those on the right to pay for your so called "needs" ( aka birth control).

It's ridiculous to think that those who work hard should have to give up their hard earned cash for those who didn't.

You people just don't see what this really is! They are not going to create their own country. They are making a statement that they don't agree with the direction the country is headed. Nor, do I. But, I think they have been handed a bad deal with their illegals, and their attempt to get what they need from the federal government to correct the problem. I truly believe they can do a better job for their own state. As I feel the same about here in Florida. If you don't get it let me explain in small words. The US government is a legalized syndicate. We get what we pay for, and they still borrow cause they want it all!

Where would we be? Heck, the real republicans are already leaving their party for the very same reason I left it after voting strictly republican for 30+ years.

Get rid of TexA$$

THE SOONER THE BETTER!

and take all of the rest of the Pee Party Morons with ya

Tsk, tsk, tsk. Reading lots of these posts, it's no wonder we want out. :(

The cause in every case of the failure of civilizations has been government. Just once, it would be nice for a sinking national ship to be shored up. Might be possible, yet, if we split up.

Instead of all the secedeing why didn't we just get rid of that @!$%#ing idiot obumbo??

UnHappy

Please leave

THE SOONER THE BETTER!

PS

Take the rest of the RED STATE MORONS with you

Please leave NOW!!!!

They cried about doing this four years ago. So leave or join the rest of the traitors from the Romney family down in Mexico.

Stacey U get a grip. Are really so diluted to think that the ONLY people who pay taxes are Republicans, and the only people on welfare are demacrats? Give your empty head a shake!

As far as the economy and the debt of this country; consider this...when your pal Bush took over the white house from Clinton there was NO deficit...we were in the black! After eight years of Bush and his lackies, we were faced with the worst recession, and economic melt down since the great depression. It has taken money being thrown at BUSH's problems to keep them from getting way worse then they if that money had not been thrown at it...ya know...like GM...had that company gone under...its not just the employee's from GM...its all the companies in the States and around the world that sell to GM....get a grip on reality...you lost your job because of decisions, and ignorance by your man Bush...such a pathetic teabagger...open your blind eyes!

Read the article, people. Texas didn't "pass" a petition, nor did any other state. All you need is to get 25k people out of the whole world to make up a name and "sign" your petition on the internet. There is no reason to think these people even exist. It could all be one guy in India playing a joke on us. Even if we assume every single person is real and legitimate, it still has no legal meaning and does not in any way bind the states involved or suggest that their governments agree with these petitions. This is nothing but an electronic suggestion box on the White House website. They require 25k "signatures" so they don't waste time replying to every crackpot asking about aliens at Roswell or airliners spraying chemtrails. Don't blame these states, they didn't do anything. Somebody on the net claiming to be from there basically sent a letter to the president, that's all that happened. Tempest in a teapot.

One word for all yous who thinks Texas can make it on its own: water.

Pretty sure the H2O they import will always stay more expensive than the gas they export.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-18563_162-57526476/drought-sparks-water-war-in-texas/

How many Lone Star bucks will equal the dollar? They forget that there are too many financial variables and the intricacies of the worlds financial markets! How nice it must be to follow their impulsive natures and disrespect the country that they belong to. Their hate is astounding,that it can blind them to reality. Grow up and quit the old, this is my ball,I'm going home game!!! It is way immature to be played in the grown up world of politics!!!

Exactly Sad. What I see is the tea party clan creating the jobs they promised around the nation and in their respective states with the job being to identify them and rid the republican party of all of them in 2014. Cleanse the party and let the real republicans take their party back. The real republicans have many beliefs I also share but it's very hard to give them a vote now when I see these extremists losing the republican platform and instead using their offices to cause diversity and rewrite laws to strip other americans of their rights and they base their reasoning for religious purposes.

The best thing that ever came out of Texas is Interstate Highway 35 North.

Madison wrote the Constitution. He said it was a contract, and that the interpretation of that contract could only be how it was sold to the joining States. He said to look to the Ratifying Conventions for that interpretation, because that is where it was sold to those States. In those Conventions about half the States were assured the Union was purely voluntary, and they could withdraw at any time...or they would have refused to join. The fact the Civil War violated that contract (for good intentions concerning slavery, don't get me wrong) doesn't mean the contract wasn't violated.

Lincoln said he would never have freed any slaves had it not been a necessary tactic to win the war. No respected abolitionist respected Lincoln, and he treated Douglas like a second class citizen in public.

Lincoln said it himself, "My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not either to save or to destroy slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that."

It wasn't about slavery directly, it was about secession. There is no arguing with that if you've read Lincoln. He clearly was a white supremacist who thought whites needed to be superior to blacks in society.

“I will say then that I am not, nor ever have been in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races, [applause of crowd]—that I am not nor ever have been in favor of making voters or jurors of negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will for ever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality. And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I as much as any other man am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race.” --- Lincoln

He starved to death a boat full of blacks he attempted to send out of the country because he didn't want to live in a country where they were free. When the scandal broke about those who starved he ad to give up on his deportation plans. He just freed them to win the war...it was a tactic, He didn't free them in the North where he had control, only in the South where he didn't, with the Emancipation Proclamation. You have to ask yourself...WHY? Because it was a tactic.

The States could have seceded over a bag of Doritos and their still would of been a war. Lincoln wasn't going to give up the Union...because it's power. Would you want that to be your legacy as President? I wouldn't care, but I believe changing the meaning of a contract after-the-fact is wrong. But then again, so is slavery...so it's a tough call considering 650,000 Americans died (the equivalent of more than 7 million Americans in today's population, as the population then was only 30 million).

An involuntary Union is born of force, not of the original contract the States agreed to. An involuntary Union is no Union worth saving. It's flatly aggression and force...a total immoral thing.

I'm anti-racist (like up SHARP - skinheads against racial prejudice - a punk movement that fights racism), anti-sexist, and anti-aggression. I live in a Northern State bordering Canada...but I think secession is a right of any person, let alone any State (a collection of individuals). It may be tough to consider...but defense is largely not an issue (all States are heavily armed populaces and protected by the same Oceans we have always been protected by...and many have scientists capable of making their own nukes...and the nuke plants ready to make it possible). So the idea they need a great army is nonsense....unless you advocate wholesale slaughter of your own neighbors to prevent their independence.

The last point is the most important: THESE United States (not "THE", as we are multiple nations combined into one voluntarily, and "THESE" was used up until the 20th Century for a reason) came into being by SECEDING from England...and we think of them as tyrants for using armies to try and stop us. It is fundamental in our country that secession is a right. Read the Declaration of Independence.

In fact, read the following...a sentiment over a 2% tax and police state actions of the government...

When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government...

Those words ring hollow to most people today...just a relic of nostalgia. WHY? Because we are timid and cowardly, and our Founders would have left this country decades ago. We're not Revolutionaries anymore...we're sheep, and docile sheep at that. USA PATRIOT Act? NDAA? Drug War? Corporate Personhood? IP? Immigration restrictions beyond medical exams and criminal background checks? The list of intolerable acts of this government go on and on...and yet here we sit belittling those with enough intestinal fortitude to stand up and do what's right. America trully is dead...because it was a philosophy of liberty set forth by classical liberals (not very different from modern libertarians).

As Samuel Clemons (Mark Twain) put it "In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot."

He also said:

"...the true patriotism, the only rational patriotism, is loyalty to the Nation ALL the time, loyalty to the Government when it deserves it."

It is no suprise the majority here scorns the patriots standing up for liberty...only 1/3 of the American Colonists were for the Independence from England you now enjoy. It is the majority here, the scorners, who are the Tories, and it is the secessionists (yet again) that are the true Patriots.

Wake up people...liberty is not forced...and safety is not so sweet as to be purchased with the chains of tyranny. Thonk for yourselves, question authority (especially the BS version of history schools taught you...read for yourselves as adults and stop being intellectually lazy).

Hate to break it to all you folks (most of which sound like Texas Hatin' Yankees, you know who you are),but Texas is perfectly capable of surviving ,even thriving on it's own, and has been for years. They didn't just start talking about seceding from the union, it's been going on for years. And whether most people can believe it or not, Texas can very well survive without the government funded military bases, as you call them, because most places already have been (they have closed alot of bases in Texas over the years). Texas has the innate ability to turn tragedy into profit, many of the old bases have been re-purposed by the private sector and have brought in more jobs and revenue than the bases did before they closed. That is not the only consideration for seceding I assure you. Texans are large and in charge, or at least they like to be, so they adore the idea of being in control of their own state and their own government. And just so you know, they don't NEED a bail-out, there are tons of wealthy Texans that take care of their own,and they pay higher taxes then most. Look, why does it bother everyone so much, why is everyone so butt-hurt about it? If Texas does separate then good for them, be happy they will be on their own and not share the mess that this country has become, there are many, many people extremely unhappy about what's going on right now in this country and would jump at the chance to leave if it was a feasible exit. Honestly, Texans couldn't care less what the rest of the country thinks of their ideas, and ideals, they never have, it IS like a "whole nother country" there, and if you haven't lived there lately then you don't know. I lived there for 20 years, not born there but my kids were and my husband was and they all love it, and I can tell you from experience, if it came to a vote, Texans would fight tooth and nail to win. Who knows what will happen, like I said I have been hearing chatter about it for years but everyone I knew always said it probably would never happen because the US would never allow Texas to leave, they would lose too much money in the process. I'm sure that's pretty accurate, especially at this point.

um, yeah....

Foolish comment but, a reflection on how deeply we have sunk as a nation. We used to be known as the Leader of the Free World but now I doubt that any nation would want to use us as an example to follow. We have lost our sheen and the world has lost the only thing they had, which is hope and that’s a shame!!

This great country of ours has survived many challenges, both from within and without. This nonsense of signing petitions to secede from the greatest nation on earth is just that... nonsense. However, it just proves that America is truly a good place to live, since people aren't getting shot for daring to express themselves.

I live in Texas, and it is a place you either love or hate... no in-between. Why, I can't say. It's just that way. I think that is why the people posting here feel so passionately about a state even comprehending secession from the United States of America. It seems that the people posting here love America so much it fuels their anger, and that is certainly not a bad thing.

One thing I won't pretend, and that is to know all the statistics of the economic and political ins and outs of Texas or any other state in the Union. I'm not extremely well-educated, only 3 years of college, no degree, so I can't debate the "yeas and nays" of political and economic processes.

Normally, I'm a quiet person. I did feel the need, though, to express one thing: I love America,more than my state even. I am an American Texan. I refuse to be anything else. I refuse to let someone tell me that my state is going to leave the Union. I would fight to the death to stay American. My ancestors would be ashamed of me if I did less.

God bless America. My home.

Having lived in 5 countries and now 5 states, I must say that Texas is by far the friendliest and most freedom loving places I have ever been and so glad it is my adopted home. I surely hope that we can secede and break away from the other 40 states, many of which hate freedom and love the big mother breast in DC

Not to many people would miss the hateful, name calling, individuals who have once again proven the Big Tent Party of Democrats hates everyone who does not believe as they do. If Democrats were a religion it would be difficult to be accepted by them as a member. I have a hard time understanding how they attract anyone to the party since "we" are all bigots, racists, teatards, morons, idiots, parasites, rednecks, traitors, weeners, bible thumpers, and a whole list of names I won't use. This shows the collective intelligence of the progressive left. Progressively more hateful, divisive, and clueless about the real problems in the country. You will soon reap the reward of your collective arrogant attitude in the Congress. No matter what you do or say just how do you think you will be able to get people to work with you when real change is needed? If the posters on this forum represent the main thought process of the Democrats you are pushing people away at a rapid pace...just thought you would like to know how you are perceived. No ideas, no thoughts, no concepts, no class, just name calling and innuendos. So pathetic and lately so typical on this forum.

Here is the simple truth. If Texas seceded, the federal government would be duty-bound to remove all it's facilities, commands and personnel from Texas. Those federal jobs are the ONLY reason that Texas has a sound economy right now. Period. Once the oil wells are tapped out, what else does Texas have to offer? The only other things they could possibly export for economic survival are idiots and a__holes. They have a continual bumper crop of those two commodities, but there isn't much of a market for them (outside of politics, anyway).

I say let Texas leave, and take Puerto Rico in. We don't even have to change the flag that way. It's a win-win situation.

You liberals are too funny! Why are we hearing all the hating on Texas? There were 15 states that filed and some are predominately democrate!!! New York and New Jersey just to name two!!! You sure do some hating on Texas but you convinced yourself one lone New Yorker sent in there petition. They could get enough signatures in that state too! If you didn't notice there were hundereds of thousands of people in each state that didn't vote for Obama!!! They get these petitions EVERY YEAR!!! The MEDIA is doing its best to keep stirring the SH!T so they will get viewers! The MEDIA is going to be the death of ALL of us! You let them keep stirring it up along with the politicians on BOTH sides just trying to get votes! We are all in trouble!!! We need to demand that the media present the NEWS and NOT only things that they think will stir sh1t!

Actually, no state has. 15 states with tea party clansmen that are acting for their defeated tea party congressman in florida have petitioned. The good news being that they are showing their states that voted the tea party candidates what their true nature and purpose is for. This should go over well for the tea party in 2014.

Witchking

PS

Take the rest of the RED STATE MORONS with you

Please leave NOW!!!!

As one of the RED STATE MORONS thank you for your gracious open minded opinion, and welcome to the Divided States of America. Comments like yours is what is helping divide this country, we are not Republicans, Democrats, Red States, Blue States until we start thinking as AMERICAN's and not as a certain political, racial, religious or sex based separate group this country might as well give up. We ALL need to learn to grow up, compromise and treat each other with respect earned and until we learn this we have no chance and that includes the president (sorry you can't have it ALL your way and keep blaming Bush for everything), congress, senate and even the Supreme Court justices. Without compromise we have NO chance and for your information because of the titles given to the political groups I am an Independent and don't think just along party lines but as a person with a mind. Sadly there are more states with petitions and we all need to grow up and learn to work together. This countries problems were made by Democrats, Republicans and Independents alike none of them are perfect.

This is too funny!

Why do any of you think that the people who signed this petition represent those of us who call Texas home? How do we know they even live in Texas?

I voted for Obama and I love my country. Texas is a great state, just like the other 49 that make up our great country. To those of you that say Texas should go, and good riddance and all of that other hurtful crap you post here you should all be ashamed! COUNTRY FIRST!!!!! Every state contributes a quality that is GREAT!!

GOD BLESS AMERICA!!!!!!

No big loss, and they all will miss all their government welfare handouts and pension plans. If you no longer want to be part of America, then you lose your government incomes, ss, ssi, pension plans, food and housing assistance programs and more.

I'm sure former Bushes will love losing their 300k a year government pension plans.

Watch them come crawling back once they learn they cannot survive on their own and without the help of the rest of the country and world.

Actually niece, the biggest stirrers of trouble are the hate and fear mongers of Fox News, and right wing talk radio. Liberals haven't been calling people who disagree with them "communists" and "traitors", for 50 years. That hateful bunch of "Real Americans" is the lunatic right wing, with imaginary "communist conspiracies", and their evgen more lunatic "birther issue"! Fox, Rush and the rest lie to you every day, niece, and fill your head with made up nonsense and poison!

You can all relax! There are no conspiracies, no noncitizen in the White House, ObamaCare is not only good for America, but you personally will find that its better than your employer paid current insurance, and your kids will grow to see it as their "American Birthright" (they will also wonder how you could have been so mistaken about its obvious benefits [much as that TeaPartier was a couple of years ago with that sign telling the gvt to "Keep you G** D*** hands" off Medicare, thirty years after Ronald Reagan cursed it as "socialized medicine"!!])!

After reading a good many of these posts, I am convinced...Liberals are quite humorous...It's a shame that looks aren't everything ( if the comment has you scratching your head, nevermind....it's most likely too deep for your understanding).

How to metaphorically bury a Liberal:

1) Invite the Liberal on your radio show,TV show or blog site.

2) Hand them a shovel

3) Watch

4) Applaud.

5) Make sure you get the shovel back.

Let the (tolerant?) whining begin!

Stay frosty!

AJ

The U.S. would have to pay Texas rent to use their space command center every time they launched a Rocket. (I'm talking about Houston, Texas for all of those who missed it.) Too bad they don't have the money, Texas does though. One of the few states that actually had job growth during the recession. Texas would do just fine independently, while the U.S. continues on in crash course towards a European style economic melt down.

They're trying to leave while we are suffering from a debt their precious Bush skyrocketed, and they are trying to leave while we are fighting a war. Desertion should be punished, i say let them leave and a week later we invade and take it back over and declare martial law on them. Give them outrageous taxes and make living in their precious texas hell so they will want to leave and will be begging to leave, but we close them off completely so they cant leave. make it the worst place to live for them, down with deserters, UP WITH AMERICA!!!!!! I am damn proud to be an American citizen!!!!!!!

Kevin in Texas,

While I may disagree with who you voted for, thank you for attempting to remind all the hate-filled yoyos posting on here that we are ALL Americans. Kudos to you.

little ed,

Way to be a hypocrite. Hahah people like you are beneath contempt.

Try pulling your head out sometime

I think the Union should invade Texas, arrest the separatist traitors, then divide it in 3 or 4 little states. so they can't say anymore everything is bigger in Texas.

Where do I sign the petition to return Tejas to Mexisco?

Man, this is just exactly like 4 years ago.

When they lose an election, half the conservatives on here want to talk about bi-partisanship and getting along as true, good "Americans", one and all...and the other half want their state to secede. No such talk of coming together for the good of the nation escapes any of their lips when they win, however. Whenever they win, they are eager and anxious for the Republicans in DC to ram their loopy agenda down the throats of the entire country, bi-partisanship be damned. Well, you can't have it both ways, We know what Republicans do when they get control, we learned that lesson well. Democrats know they have to do the same thing, using every trick in the book if necessary, just to make ANY progress on their own agenda, while they have the fleeting chance.

It's a classic case of the GOP saying "Do as I say, not as I do". NOW they want bi-partisan cooperation...strictly because it would be good for THEM. And hey, it actually makes 'em sound nice and reasonable for a change...until you really think about it and realize just how insincere and cynical their pleas for cooperation are. Makes me laugh, actually. They can sure dish it out, but they can't take it, AT ALL.

i say "Don't let the door hitcha in the azz on the way out!" Adios, muchachos!

It won't, we are taking it with us; we built it, not you communists. Anyways, I signed...all of the petitions:

1. Louisiana, 13,426

2. Texas, 18,012

3. Florida, 4,987

4. Alabama, 5,156

5. North Carolina, 4,623

6. Kentucky, 3,929

7. Mississippi, 3,849;

8. Indiana, 3,876;

9. North Dakota, 2,998

10. Montana, 3,378

11. Colorado, 3,746

12. Oregon, 3,230

13. New Jersey, 2,960

14. New York, 3,425

15. South Carolina, 3,193, 2,087

16. Arkansas, 1,537

17. Georgia, 3,912, 2,604

18. Missouri, 2,085, 2,781

19. Tennessee 3,656

20. Michigan 3,230

Both sides say they want what's good for the nation, but in actuality, one side does - the other side, liberals, want what is good for themselves.

Secession will allow those that want to add local economy to their communities without the regulations and demands of the Feds, to do so; while those that prefer a Totalitarian, welfare state, full government control, to do so. It'll be a bit more expensive for you, but atleast two of us will be happy, instead of one of us.

A Real Real American Joke

You're taking what with you? America stays, you guys can go! You guys were screaming for the past two years about taking your country back. America voted and we don't agree with you and we don't need you. Bounce dude, you and all the rest of the loser cry-babies. It will be a win-win for everybody. You guys get the hell out of America with your racism and obstruction to progress and then the jobs issue will be solved, the economy will be balanced and healthcare will cover a whole lot more of the Americans who want to stay here and be covered. Please go! Pack up and hit the bricks suckers. See ya and wouldn't want to be ya!

A Real Real American, 2.94...

That's a good start! We just need 14 more to sign-on. I don't see my dumb liberal state on the list; not surprised. It would be so good to get this country back on the right track. Obama's next bag of tricks for the next four years will consist of racial acts of immorality - cheating to give unqualified persons economic advantages. We knew he would save his dark, intellectually dishonest, morally bankrupt side for the second term, didn't we? ..God help us..

honestly, the problem with Texas succeeding and doing so successfully is... we build and store ALL of the Nations nuclear warheads right here in the Texas Panhandle. We could probably change the course of the entire United States if we wanted to, with just a couple of airplanes. lol

@Solara Red-

"It was their right to leave and it the right of these 34,000 Texans to leave if they want to but they can't take our America away from the rest of us...."

Don't worry about us 34000 Texans who would love to leave your country to you, you need to worry about the Socialist y'all just elected. He's going to take your country from right under your feet while you keep drinking the Chicaga Koolaid

Like the rest of the libtards, its always, "good riddance" until they soon decide they want the money the nation's self-sufficient take with them.

Wow! If they become independent, what kind of government are they going to have? Totalitarian or militia style? That's scary! What about if someone else wants to come in and take control? Who's going to defend them? Or are they going back to being part of Mexico? And will they still be american citizens when they become independent? A lot of thought into a decision like that!

LMFAO; I could then call my brother a foreigner - that would be the brother that constantly sends me all of his far right-wing "I'm such a super patriot" bull @!$%#.

The NFL, NBA, and MLB wouldn't have to expand to Europe.

So we take in Puerto Rico and dump Texas - we won't even have to change the flag.

Texas is already like the 6th largest polluter in the World - with no regulations that place would turn into a glowing toxic dump in 10 years.

Republicans do not like to lose....they turn into petulant little children screaming empty threats and posturing like rival gang members before a big fight........

they remind me of the vicious dog that comes running out barking and snarling when you dare to walk in front of its owners house and when you stomp your feet it goes running with its tail between its legs back under the porch.......

it is childish and utterly ridiculous to sign such a petition..........like a child raging at its parents knowing it will change nothing.....

we have elected officials you can petition to work within the confines of our laws and constitution for change if you are unhappy.........and of course all Americans always have the right to flee the country..even give up citizenship.........HOW MANY REPUBLICANS SECESSIONISTS ARE DOING THIS?.........NONE I BET....kind of shows us how lame their conviction to their desire to secede is.

Such behavior shows a profound immaturity and little thought to what true secession would mean in their course of their lives........

venting is expected from folks who take things too personal..........but trying to divide America in two is stupid but does play into the republican hand book of division.............why do so many keep believing the republican lies and allow themselves to get all worked up and cater to the idea that Americans are enemies of Americans?..............why do the republicans see liberals as forcing their will on others when all liberals offer is CHOICE and security.........where republicans would take choice away....no equal rights, no equal pay, no woman has a say in what a woman can do with her own body (while no restrictions apply to men and their bodies), no unions to protect workers, privatization of social security so when Wall Street tanks again so does social security, voucher program and repeal of Obama Care so elderly (who are are laden with preexisting conditions) will not be able to buy a private insurance plan due to preexisting conditions, getting rid of the EPA so businesses can more money while polluting our air and water, less money for education so fewer high school grads and a lot fewer college grads (more poor and uneducated will seek the military...good way to boost the ranks), a philosophy that war is a good first course of action (and a profitable one), a open and active hatred of women, people of color, poor and needy, elderly and sick............

republicans philosophy is to work solely for the purpose of making the rich richer at the cost of all else....so when the rich finally have all the wealth and there is only the uneducated serfs (99%) and the rich (1%) and the serfs can no longer afford to buy any products (which is what keeps our economy going and keeps the rich getting richer) and the rich can no longer get loans from other countries because our nations workforce doesn't make enough money to spend enough money to support any kind of free market----then what?...............when the 1% finally has all the money what then?..........how much is enough?............when the middle class makes more money they spend more money and they pay more taxes........and the economy grows and our nation gets stronger and the rich do very well at the same time as the 98%...................

it is time for the republican party to deprogram themselves.......get help..........the need for all the money to go to a few and this archaic egocentric racist unpatriotic holier than thou hypocritical attitudes are dead thinking----this is 2012 and the civil war has been over for a very very long time and all you southern republicans need to get over losing the civil war and a Presidential election every now and then....the republican party is not divine of God and is not supposed to rule the world...you are just people like the rest of us except you think you have the right to take our choices away RULE and the rest of us want the CHOICES to be ours not yours.

Good grief people.....bank your anger and rage and grow up.........you are setting a terrible example for your children and you are all an embarrassment in front of the world.......

the greatest nation on earth...we have so much more than others and republicans lose an election and act like this............you don't seem to even appreciate that we have freedoms and a constitution....what the heck is wrong with you people?

Don't answer that.........my guess is you don't even know.....you've just been told it is ok to be angry,show hate, show rage, be racist...well, it is not....these things are not ok.....man is supposed to be rare in that he can conquer his lizard brain with reason and will..........instead republicans incite it.

Please, all who are unhappy living in an America with a black President, equality in marriage, equality in pay and the freedom of choice give up your citizenship and find a new country to call home......believe me there are more than enough immigrants willing to become better US citizens than you to replace each and everyone of you----and I for one would rather have a new immigrant US citizens who would appreciate what it means to be a citizen than your whiny butts.

Feel free to exit the country............we reject you as you reject us and our President.

To all those who like to use words like "libtard" - MSN and NBC are the counter balance to places like Fox - you came here of your own free will...crying here just puts a big bulls-eye on your chest. If you don't like progressive liberals, you sure picked a strange place to hang out.

Personally, I'm tired of both sides, but at least with liberals I can still have an open mind.

A Real Real American

i say "Don't let the door hitcha in the azz on the way out!" Adios, muchachos!

It won't, we are taking it with us; we built it, not you communists. Anyways, I signed...all of the petitions:

I signed all the petitions too... except for New York, where I live.

You guys can take a hike.

This president that you 16 states voted for is the cause of all of this, The country is no longer United in any way you people up north and west support gay marriage and smoking dope and all that crap that we intexas still teach our kids is wrong. We still worship God and believe His word is true and should be obeyed. Honestly this would be the best thing for Texas and our country, Texas can legally do it if they choose to, and the only reason there is only 34000 signatures is because most people didnt know about it but if it was passed around more than 60 percent would happly sign the thing to get away from obummer and the direction of the nation. I hope they do it and do it soon. Texas would be one of teh strongest counties in the world financially and the US is going to collapse anyway before obummer is done this term. The US is going to collaspe, I cant believe you idiots believe you can give everything free to folks and not hold them accountable and expect only a few people to pay for it all. That is a fantasy world you are all living in and obummer sold you on it but it cannot last, simply look at greece and around the world, it is collapsing. And when obamacare is put in place next fall that will end our nation we cannot pay for it period.... but you idiots stiull voted him back in wanting more free crap. So just let Texas alone and let us tranfer to our our national status. we have it in our constitution and it was agreed when we joined that we could leave anytime we chose to do so. I say lets do it now and seperate as friends but seperate quickly before obummer causes us to fall as well. And when it happens the entire 1 percent paying for all your free crap will move to Texas the next day. lol The US would collapse in 6 months without Texas. that is without a doubt and we would have all the money and be teh wealthiest nation on earth. Pretty simple actually now just get it done. That is all I want for Christmas :) It would be so wonderful to watch you people that voted for this idiot to get what you deserve without being part of his destruction... But make no mistake you will get what you deserve for voting him back in, he is going to destroy the US before he is done, it is his plan and has been all along

Proudnavyvet, I do actually sympathize to an extent.

You think smoking pot and homosexual relationships are wrong ...sinful. That's fine, but outlawing sin is not the answer. The government is not here to codify righteousness into law, it is not here to ready your immortal soul to get to Heaven. God may very well not approve of homosexuals, but from what I hear the rich little chance of entering Heaven as well. How would you propose we save them?

I don't have a problem with these things, as you may have guessed. But you may be surprised to know that for me this is born of scripture such as Mathew 7, Corinthians 13 and Romans 14, such as:

¹⁴ I know, and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus, that there is nothing unclean of itself: but to him that esteemeth any thing to be unclean, to him it is unclean.

...that's how I am. Really the case is that I can't understand how absolutely anything can be be OK, but I can accept on faith that some things could be OK for others even if I couldn't approve of it for myself. You could say I'm less worried about the specs in the eyes of others.

As for secession, don't think it will be all roses for Texas if it leaves. Remember that Texas ran to the Fed for disaster relief for the fires it experienced a few years back after it cut firefighters in the state. Remember that you get hit by hurricanes and tornadoes. Remember that you're experiencing earthquakes around Dallas/Ft. Worth due to fracking. Remember these and understand that if you guys go, you're a natural disaster away from standing all alone in your own ruins with no one to go to. The US will persist without Texas for years, I can't predict the same for Texas without the US.

If Texas wants to go, it benefits the left in America. Without the 38 electoral votes of Texas, the GOP will not win the White House for a long time. In a way, all this talk is getting our hopes up. But the reasons you're going are misguided. Obamacare isn't going to bankrupt the US, it is going to stabilize pricing in the healthcare industry. It is going to remove the need for hospitals to charge $20 for an aspirin to recoup costs from the uninsured and it is going to reduce the propensity for the poor to get their primary care from the most expensive place in health care ...the emergency room. For this you have people like the owner of Papa Johns bouncing off the wall because it would raise the cost of a pizza pie 14 cents.

14 CENTS!!

Let's just say that 14c is never going to be a factor in my pizza buying decisions, I find that much and more lying on the ground a few times a week. Heck, if it's going for something as good as people's healthcare, make it a quarter and keep the change.

To wrap things up, how about this?

If you're right and America experiences a collapse due to Obama's policies, I will vote GOP for the rest of my life.

But if America is still standing and things are basically still OK in 2017, can you try to understand why you were wrong about some things?

@ Debbie McCarten: You have said everything I have been wanting say for the longest time. I could not have said it any better myself. That is real talk. Thank you! Thank you! Thank you!"

Because it is the REPUBLICANS that does not want WOMEN TO HAVE ANY RIGHTS WHATSOSEVER. THIS is a fact. I have had to correct so many people on this fact and it just amazes me how people will not research and look up the facts and even worse don't even listen to their own Candidates. They have been on televisions and have expressed their anti-woman views. And then people have the nerve to claim thats what the Democrats will have you believe, when it came strictly out of the Republicans' mouthes. They have said it time and time again.

And then I see people seriously getting the word liberal mixed up with conservative. They claim liberals want to dominate and control and take away people rights and Im like uh, no negative. That is the right wing nuts called the republicans which are also known as conservatives. Liberals believe in indidvidual freedom to the max. That is the conservatives that want to dominate and control everbody and everything and do not want women to make thier own decisions concerning their own bodies and own lives. They dont want women earning equal pay as their male counterparts even though they have same level of education and experience and are performing the exact same job duties. Hell, if the Republicans had it their way not one of us would enjoy freedom as we do today.

Hell, they even voted for monitioring citizens internet activities and television activities. They have said so and some of them like for example(Rick Santorum) said they would go as far to abolish porn even soft porn. And not only that, they would get rid of all public funded television programs, not just Sesamme Street. This is how far they would be willing to go if they were allowed. And people will not believe you no matter how links you provide and no matter how many people validate your story. Hell, people need to realize this is the Republican party and this is their agenda.

And they have already said they will crash the market if the President doesn't present a bill that will cut government programs if he wants compromise and wants to require the wealthy to pay their fair share. And they said this one week ago. And I think that is a shame and that is wrong.

But hey you got people on here that stand behind these people.(Im trying my best to refrain from calling them names).

They honestly believe these people when they have made it clear throughout the years they would fight President Obama on every job bill he proposes. They was determined to make him a one term president. So in all actuality it is the Republicans fault that the USA has not made that much progress economically. That is the truth. They are responsible for that state we are in at this current moment. And people act like they didn't hear their representatives say these things when they were on national television conducting interviews making these statements. I mean I honestly don't get it. People can seriously ignore facts and conveinently get Amnesia when their plans back fire on them. Then wont to place allo the blame and the Dems and President Obama when it was thier party, who not only created this mess to begin with, but is also holding up progress.

I mean I want to scream so loudly: FACE THE FACTS YOU ALL ARE THE REASON THIS COUNTRY IS THE SHAPE THAT IS IN NOW.' It is the truth. President Bush started all of those ridicolous plans that he knew damn well would leave America in the ditch. You all voted for his dumb ass twice based off some bull@!$%#. I mean face the facts. America is suffering because of Republicans. The truth is the truth. I could care less if they don't want to face the facts that they are responsible. They are.

Now as for Texas wanting to secede. I say let them. I believe everyone should the freedom and the right to do as they please and the government should not have the right to infringe upon this righ and their freedom to do so. I really hope President Obama agrees and grants their requests if they do get the other number of the required votes to be an Independent country. Several posters have already stated that Texas could make it on its own without the government. I believe them and I am in total agreement. If Texans really want to be independent of the United States I think their requests should be granted.

For all of you who want to remain part of this great nation I suggest you haul ass out of there. Unfortunately for you, majority of your stated has spoken for you and made that decision for you. So you have no choice but to move to another state if you dont want to leave the United States. I would gladly sign the petiton and help you all out. It is no problem. I do understand. That is your right and that is your choice.

However if a petiton like that surfaced again in Arkansas I would not sign it all. I am not for being an independent country and I love it here in the United States. I love our Constitution and I love our freedom.

And does anybody have the whole entire NDAA act? I have tried looking it up but i wont pull up the actual bill or the whole bill so I can read it. I hope and pray it is not as terrible as I have heard it was.

Everything is big in Texas..except for their BRAINS!!

Si se puerte!

I meant for some reason it wont pull it up not I wont pull it up. Just had to clarify.

Virginia tried this and it didn't work out too well.

Would someone PLEASE tell me where to sign this petition??!?!? I live in Florida, only been in Texas once while waiting for a plane home, but I would GLADLY sign this... As long as the White House DOES grant their request.

PLEASE...

Do you fools realize if you win this you will have to go without anything, no currency, no government, no police, no hospitals. Are you really ready for that, I wish they would let Texas do this just to show those idiots who rely so much on government to help them day in and day out how tough it really would be without the USA. They would have to raise taxes up to almost 100% just to get started and it would have to stay that way for a couple generations. I just dont see those takers willing to give so much after taking for so long.

As a tree hugging Liberal who actually cares about people in general , I propose the following petition;

We the people, in order to end this right wing bickering, do request that congress divide the nation into north and south peacefully. And to allow and provide resources for all republicans to move south, and all democrats to move north so that we in the north may be free of un-informed people who don't know the difference between socialism and grits. The "right wing people" who have tried before to divide this country can finally have their way and be cheered and revered by all the other Republics. like china, north Korea, Cuba, Russia and Iran.

Funny how the people who want to divide and weaken America call themselves PATRIOTS. The only thing you guys love is money, power and death. (as long as it isn't yours). please go, I am sick and tired of your hate. pffft

The conservatives who are complaining that liberals are so mean because we resent the childish behavior of the petition signers need to stop and think what they are saying. It's the petition signers who are being hateful toward the rest of US. They're just getting back what they dished out.

PLEASE SIGN THE PETITION TO -

Strip the Citizenship from Everyone who Signed a Petition to Secede and Exile Them

Fianchetto (nice moniker by the way)

You are exactly right. They buy a lot of water from Oklahoma. The City of Dallas is trying to negotiate a new contract right now to buy water from us.

I say, let them secede and let them get the water they need from Mexico.

I've been trying to promote the idea of giving Texas back to Mexico for years now. Oklahoma is fully prepared to become part of the new southern border with Mexico, or whatever.

Go, don't let the door hit you on your way out. Leave. Between the Texas gun nuts and the Drug Cartels it should make for some very interesting entertainment.

Viva La Republica! Hasta La Vista Tejas!

Here I'll save you all the trouble of worrying about the answer....the answer is NO.

Send them back to Mexico ? Did none of you put attention in history class, there is a reason its called the Lone Star State, Texas was a country before. We joined the Union on our own.

35k votes ain't enough, worry if you see 1million or more. That said, complain all you guys want, but Texas sends its Electricity all over America , alot of you saying let them leave would be without power come the next day. Like beef, Yeah no more burgers for you.

South Texas is not gonna succed any time soon. God bless us all.

I enjoy the people on here that identify themselves as Texans by butchering the English language. I only have one question. If Texas secedes will the Cowboys finally stop calling themselves "American's Team"?

25K out of 25 million. Yup. That constitutes a statistical majority of texans for sure! Maybe someone ought to go back to school and learn some math. Why is a fraction of one percent who did nothing other than click on and on line petition getting so much press coverage? Why do we care? Dumb and dumber.

Only Liberals would run around screaming in fear and panic when 25k out of 25 million , less than 1 percent, vote on something like this.

Lol, this is less than the population of our major cities.

Oliverb,

Here you go:

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/peacefully-grant-state-florida-withdraw-united-states-america-and-create-its-own-new-government/D87Rv7yJ

Best Wishes,

AJ

Texas is one of those highly Republican states that complains about the Federal government, yet receives more money than it pays in taxes. It also complains about all the people on welfare and food stamps, yet has more people living below the poverty level, both as a % of population and raw numbers, than the "blue" states.

Like many other parts of the country which voted for Romney, Texas also has an education problem. Texas has the lowest high school graduation rate IN THE COUNTRY. Is it any wonder they went for Romney? These are the same people who believe creationism is a form of science, the earth is 6000 years old, men hunted dinosoars, and the earth is flat and the center of the universe.

I love my country. I love everything about it. From the Declararion of Independance, to the Constitution, to even all the hate I see on these posts. But it's sad to see friends.

Ok, into my thoughts (for what they are worth...probably nothing). Truth! It's what we should look for everyday. Thank you ProIndividual for the reality that was Linclon. On the real, the man owned slaves. So thinking that he was soo against slavery is just fooling the populous. That's the truth.

The only problem is, you were talking about sucession like it is something that can just be done. Truth

THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA

ARTICLE 1

Section. 10.

No State shall enter into any Treaty, Alliance, or
Confederation; grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal; coin Money; emit Bills of
Credit; make any Thing but gold and silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debts;
pass any Bill of Attainder, ex post facto Law, or Law impairing the Obligation
of Contracts, or grant any Title of Nobility.

There's your Civil War. It wasn't the fact that states suceded, it was the fact that they did so under a confederation (btw, if you look in the congressional archives you'll find what is the first drafting of the Constitution...the Articles of Confederation. This is what the confederacy would base it's government on). To leave this country would mean that Texas would have to become a completely "stand alone" country. No allegence to any other country (to include Mexico since Texas would still be a United States Territory), and it would still have to pay a "duty" to the United States. While certain laws and acts would not affect Texas, it would not have any say in what went on. You see, while we did go to war to win Texas, we did still have to purchase the property from someone. And since there was a purchace made, that means it is a US territory (that's what started the war of 1812, invation of a US territory). So sure, it could sucede and loose all it's rights to have a voice in US government and all things that it gets from the US. Any state can sucede from the Union, our Constitustion is just a contract that anyone can opt out of without reprisal at any time...if they do it properly. Personnally, I think Florida (if any state) has more reason to sucede then any other state. Not even counting thier vote before calling an election? That's INCREDIBLY unconstitutional!

AMENDMENT XII

Passed by Congress December 9, 1803. Ratified June 15, 1804.

Note: A portion of Article II, section 1 of the Constitution was
superseded by the 12th amendment.

The Electors shall meet in their respective states and vote by ballot for
President and Vice-President, one of whom, at least, shall not be an inhabitant
of the same state with themselves; they shall name in their ballots the person
voted for as President, and in distinct ballots the person voted for as
Vice-President, and they shall make distinct lists of all persons voted for as
President, and of all persons voted for as Vice-President, and of the number of
votes for each, which lists they shall sign and certify, and transmit sealed to
the seat of the government of the United States, directed to the President of
the Senate; -- the President of the Senate shall, in the presence of the Senate
and House of Representatives, open all the certificates and the votes shall then
be counted; -- The person having the greatest number of votes for President,
shall be the President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of
Electors appointed; and if no person have such majority, then from the persons
having the highest numbers not exceeding three on the list of those voted for as
President, the House of Representatives shall choose immediately, by ballot, the
President. But in choosing the President, the votes shall be taken by states,
the representation from each state having one vote; a quorum for this purpose
shall consist of a member or members from two-thirds of the states, and a
majority of all the states shall be necessary to a choice. [And if the House of
Representatives shall not choose a President whenever the right of choice shall
devolve upon them, before the fourth day of March next following, then the
Vice-President shall act as President, as in case of the death or other
constitutional disability of the President. --]* The person having the greatest
number of votes as Vice-President, shall be the Vice-President, if such number
be a majority of the whole number of Electors appointed, and if no person have a
majority, then from the two highest numbers on the list, the Senate shall choose
the Vice-President; a quorum for the purpose shall consist of two-thirds of the
whole number of Senators, and a majority of the whole number shall be necessary
to a choice. But no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of
President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States.

While Obama won in Florida, to just call him the winner without Florida being done counting was WRONG!! Oh, and Ohio? You're not immune either. Two Thousand provisional votes? That doesn't sound like fraud at all, does it? All these things should be considered conclusive proof of why the Electorial College is unconstitutional...but it will continue to run nonetheless.

Sometimes the truth hurts. Look at most of the people involved in this post alone. Look at the state of the nation in general. Because the truth is, we've forgotten the principles that made this nation. We've forgotten patriotism. We've forgotten that it is a government "Of the people, For the people, and By the people". We have forgotten that our constitution is the greatest one on earth because it ensures that our government should be no more powerful then the people it governs. We've replaced it with laziness and sloth so that our government is so powerful that it has to take care of us. Where has the land of the free and the home of the brave gone? Where are the inovators who say "f#*k you, I can make it better then you can!"? Where have the everyday people who want to work hard to get ahead gone? The fact that twenty states want to sucede from the union, shows that there are many fundumentalists who really would like to see that return. But the fact that there are so many on these posts showing so much hate and making jokes about it shows that noone sees how pivotal and crucial a moment like this is to history. The fact that ANY such petition like this has actually made it to the president's desk...

It's sad to see that the greatest nation on earth has finally come to this. A land that I have served in the defense of and friends have given thier lives for. Parents and Grandparents have served and some given thier lives for. And now, it seems thier efforts were for not.

deprogrammer wrote:

I will say this again as plainly as I can so you dolts can understand it, YOU ANIT TAKING MY LAND OUT OF THE USA. I own a nice chunk of land around Lake Dallas and it is remaining in the United States of America. If 34,000 of you TRAITORS want to leave then I suggest you hop on the next bus to Juarez and get the hell out of this country ASAP because you are beginning to piss real and patriotic Americans off with this talk of secession. Texas has 26,000,000 residents and until you get more than half the people to sign your little petition you are just pissing in the wind, now SHUT UP AND GROW UP, you are as much to blame as anyone for the mess our economy is in, you are the idiots who gave us George Bush.

BRAVO!!! I wish I could have voted ten times for your post!

To all the idiots that signed the petition ... we have this funny little thing in America called an ELECTION. It's when ALL Americans are allowed to cast their vote for the person they want to have run our country ... and it is MAJORITY RULE. I think, if you want to continue this abandonment of America, the PATRIOTS OF TEXAS (and there are a WHOLE BUNCH of them) are gonna kick your narrow-minded arses all the way across the border into Mexico. What a bunch of spoiled, whiny, unimportant little idiots you are. As much as I've always hated this quote, I think it applies perfectly to the traitors who signed the petition ...

• AMERICA ... LOVE IT OR LEAVE IT.

In their case, I'll donate money for the bus fare!

The new name of this great nation will be Duhmerica!

Ha ha, you just know the people who signed that petition are thinking, 'We are are going to stick it to Barry and is libtard friends." Little do they know, us liberals would love nothing more than for Texas to secede. We wouldn't even have to campaign to win Presidential elections then. Texas is the only reason Repugs can even get over the 200 EV level. See how much they hate "big guvment" when they have absolutely no help.

Go sweat/shiver in the Dark, cos your gas (& nat gas) prices would soar.

@Lunkystraydog I know my history. You do realize that Texas HAD to join the union because it was so far in debt? Also, it became a republic because americans illegally immigrated into Mexico to use the land and resources, then when Mexico got pissed, we decided to take it. I know that Texas education standards are pretty low, maybe they can add the word Irony to the dictionary?

None of these dip@!$%#s seem to comprehend that the Blue States are dragging the Red states' asses, and that a nation full of the states that supposedly wish to secede would be a dirt-poor @!$%#hole without the US propping them up.

Not to mention it's illegal, and I consider every one of these petition signers to be a traitor.

@JD -1203795

The States seceded, and then joined into a Confederacy. Once you secede you are an independent sovereign nation and can remain independent, join a confederation, or join a federation any way or time you choose...that's what being a sovereign nation means. The Constitution no longer applies at that point...it's only for those States in the Union, not for those who have left or never were in the Union (like foreign nations).

They didn't violate the Constitution by seceding...again, Madison (the author of the Constitution) made it clear that it was a voluntary contract that could be withdrawn from at any time...because that's how they got the States to agree to joining the contract to begin with (BTW, Madison personally didn't like that, but he went along with it in the spirit of honesty and fair dealings). You can't get a person to sign something and then totally change what that contract says after-the-fact....that's fraud. Using force, the military, to stop them from following the rules of the contract doesn't change that the contract was violated in doing so.

So where you are quoting the Constitution does not apply...they already individually seceded, which makes the Constitution non-applicable to them.

BTW...if secession is not allowed there is usually one reason - power. Governments are mafias that claim themselves to be legal, and all competing mafias illegal. They extort (tax) citizens (tax cattle) against their wills, and use a territorial claim (gang turf) to define who is in their extortion jurisdiction (within their borders). They simply don't want to lose any of that extortion jurisdiction, as that would mean less people to extort, and thereby less money for the criminal class (the politicians) to live on (or hand out to their cronie friends).

This is why the Founders (classical liberals) understood government to be a "necessary evil"...it is FORCE and EXTORTION (whether done via income tax, tariff, regulation cost, or whatever). If it is necessary, that does not mean it is not evil by its very nature.

Here is something to ponder: How much of the federal budget, or State and local budgets, is spent on making that evil unncessary? The answer is none. It only grows itself...not out of need, but because it is power for power's sake. Welfare used to be private (30% of Americans were apart of private welfare system before the government took it over, and it worked great...we called them "fraternal organizations" and "mutual aid societies"). Mutual aid societies were masterminded by Kropotkin, a leftist anarchist, believe it or not. They worked fine...but unfortunately were race based...but why couldn't they be location or vocation based? They could...but the government never allowed such an alternative...they just outlawed them and took over welfare and monopolized it.

Just one of numerous examples of the markets taking care of needs, even for those without any money, before the state coercively monopolized those services the people demanded in the market. What's worse...they brainwashed kids in schools to think they "saved" them. Too often they would give us a disease (see the government policies that aided the creation of Dust Bowl for example, or the trade and housing policies that created food and housing shortages in the Great Depression) and then claim to be a "hero" for handing us a "cure".

It's sad how really uneducated most people are. They learn lies and half-truths as kids and then refuse to do any self-education as adults, leading to a belief that the government is not evil by its very nature.

And to everyone else: I'm not a conservative or a liberal...or what most "liberals" today actually are; progressives (they aren't the same political philosophy at all...look them up). I'm a libertarian (that political philosophy which most closely resembles classical liberlaism today). This isn't about the election to me...I didn't even vote. I could care less which sociopathic habitual liar won this election. I'm not taking this stand because of a won or lost election...I've taken this stand during both RepubliBlood and DemoCrip administrations. Both are the enemy...and if you don't know why, read George Washington's Farewell Address...he told us to NOT form Parties because they would eventually destroy the country through factionalization. People should run on their individual ideas, not a D or R. What we have now are political gang wars...one gang fighting another gang, both gangs apart of the same Mafia family (the state). We all lose...until Parties are outlawed completely, we're screwed. Even then, I'm not sure the concept of the state can be saved...times are changing and technology is making closed systems degrade faster and faster all the time (look up chaos theory). The state is closed system, doomed to fail...it has life cycle, and we are past its halfway point. Liberty is the only medicine.

JD...Ohio gives provisional ballots to anyone who wants one (whether registered or not). If you do not have ID you get one, if you claim to have registered and they do not have you as registered you get one, and it will be counted unless it can be shown you are not who you say your are within so many weeks after the election. Also, I voted in Ohio in 2004....they somehow lost my registration (which I did at the local library months earlier). Because of that they either had to give me a provisional ballot or not let me vote...I voted provisional. It's not fraud...it's a viable alternative in Ohio. It just means your votes are counted last, after all other votes are counted.

But I will say this: dozens of us had "lost registrations' in 2004s election...and we were all Democrats or independents...and the State Elections were headed by Republicans (Blackwell). 2 women went to prison for vote fraud when counting votes and purposefully losing registrations in an attempt (a successful one) to fix the 2004 election for Bush. The election was called, in fact, before any provisional ballots were counted...hence the prison sentence.

They didn't violate the Constitution by seceding

SCOTUS disagrees with you, and the traitors. And @!$%# the traitors, by the way.

GO TEXAS!!! if this happens, I'll be the 1st to move down there!

RULE #1 - NO CRIMINAL FEDERAL RESERVE owned by private banks!

For about two seconds, then Mexico invades.

Yess, join Mexico. I would cheer if Texas left the union, a bunch of crazies in that state including the late President and the wanna be.

You're right, Starbuck49. They'll just be replaced by smoth-talking morons from Chicago.

IWonder-932455 and all of the other uninformed conservatives that claim Texas takes in less federal dollars than they use it's a lie. Texas takes in far more than they give to the federal government. The numbers you are using DO NOT INCLUDE the money going into Texas from all of the military bases in Texas. If you remove all of the money those bases give to the Texas economy that comes from the federal government and US Taxes then Texas would be so far in debt they wouldn't see a way out. Those bases prop up the Texas government. And you can bet all of hose bases would be decommissioned and closed down if Texas left the Union.

Let's not pollute beautiful Mexico with Texans. I like to vacation there and the Mexican people are nothing short of beautiful and gracious. Texans would ruin it for everyone, and I bet it wouldn't take very long for the Mexicans to start kicking some major Texas ass. They understand their economy is based on tourism, and Texans couldn't care less about anyone else or tourists. Just leave Mexico alone and put up a Berlin-style wall around Texas. Who needs 'em anyway? I know I don't!

Is it in bad taste to bring popcorn to a train-wreck? Because that's exactly what would happen to a seceded Texas.

It won't be just Texas, dumbass! it will be 70% of all states then you can have the west coast and northeast coast .. we will start our own country and all you libtards and keep obama and his koolaid

Bingo, Bryan!

This is an embarrassment! We have had fools from Texas running for President and winning. You know, it is not just Texans who voted for them who are fools but the rest of the country who also voted for them were also fools!

Good, take your parasitic states with you. Almost every red state takes in more federal bucks than they pay in. What will Texas do without all those US military bases?

Yes, proclaim how "real America" you are by leaving it, traitors. OR stay in the union and everybody wins but you have to deal with a guy you don't like for four short years. I know that last option requires growing up a smidge and maybe not buying into the hyperbole of entertainers making a heck of a lot more money than you.

If you can't abide President Obama, I like the sound of that, President Obama, for four more years, just drink lots of beers and ride lots of mechanical bulls, and pretty soon it will be 2016, and another presidential election. You guys won't win that one either, but what the hell, in your facts optional universe it won't matter.

Now Bryan, you play nice with the other kids, and don't you storm out of the sandbox with your pail and shovel, again. You're a big boy, now!

You people are just ignorant to the facts. Texas is one of only a couple of states that can do very well at supporting themselves. In fact, Texas is a net contributor to our federal government, unlike California, for example. Who's going to pay for CA's welfare tab when TX is gone?

Like it or not, Texas and Texans can do it on their own. Regardless, you people are attacking everyone in the state when only a small percentage are wanting this. It is this type of disgusting behavior that may very well lead Texas to act on such a threat. This would not be a good thing for the remainder of the states. But, stay ignorant if you like.

Also, just for the record, real Texans love their Mexican heritage and most of what their neighbor has to offer. They just don't want the crime that comes from uncontrolled migration. A Texas/Mexico union would be great under the proper government.

Read the article, people. Texas didn't "pass" a petition, nor did any other state. All you need is to get 25k people out of the whole world to make up a name and "sign" your petition on the internet. There is no reason to think these people even exist. It could all be one guy in India playing a joke on us. Even if we assume every single person is real and legitimate, it still has no legal meaning and does not in any way bind the states involved or suggest that their governments agree with these petitions. This is nothing but an electronic suggestion box on the White House website. They require 25k "signatures" so they don't waste time replying to every crackpot asking about aliens at Roswell or airliners spraying chemtrails. Don't blame these states, they didn't do anything. Somebody on the net claiming to be from there basically sent a letter to the president, that's all that happened. Tempest in a teapot.

Well sandy you may be right, I got my figures from the treasury department and I, for one, don't trust the government.

IWonder, I hope the snuggie and tinfoil hat combo is comfy for you.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_spending_and_taxation_across_states

Isn't it easy to show that liberals are liars? If you believe the government, that is.

To roosterboy. Hey come here, I need to whisper something to you, there ain't no santy claus.

A group of idiots from Texas threatening to secede? It must have rained recently.

Think of it like this. There's 300M people in the US. It's not that hard to find 34k educationally challenged individuals to sign a petition. We have the internet now.

For you blame bush crowd,, -or want to be well informed conservatives.. if you recognize the economic recession on the overbuilt housing and excessive loans,, Then blame Clinton and HUD for creating the "National Homeownership Strategy" in 1995, which was a 100 point action plan to increase home-ownership in America. In 1999, HUD under Clinton and A Cuomo, REQUIRED Fannie and Freddie Mac to buy up get this: 2.4 TRILLION DOLLARS IN MORTGAGES over 10 years, or until 2009, the economy collapsed in 2008.. Just once I'd like to hear a liberal accept blame for creating the mess were in, especially when they created it. -go look it up on the internet,

When will people wake up to the fact that "we the people" and every citizen are the "Job creators" in this country and businesses hire more people to do the jobs when the average citizen call for demand by purchasing something that will cause an employer or manufactiurer to even begin to hire people for jobs? If corporations were the "Job Creators" then how can they possibly create demand for product if a person is laid off of work and not spending? I hope to see the day when this termonology gets corrected because its of great importance to be corrected finally. Employers dont CREATE JOBS...they HIRE and EMPLOY people when PEOPLE spend on products that create DEMAND, thus calling for HIRING by employers...Employers are not JOB CREATORS damn it! We the people are! Does anyone NOT understand this yet? As far as texas goes, our greatest strength as a country is being UNITED and what makes us the most powerful nation on earth period and we will start looking like europe if they were let out of the union...if our politicians would stop thinking of self intrest and we all ork together like we should have been doing then this would not be an issue. i have been watching the last 12 years very closely and it seems to me that one political party decided they didnt want to be part of the solutions for our cvountry and chose to lay down in a most critical time of our nation. Hopefully now thst things are settled again can we start to work on the issues the VOTERS wanted again..like they did in 2008 but got denied for bunch of ideological reasons that were dangerous. Our issues are not rocket science and its high time we start working together. The more people working the more money people have and the more money those rich people have..we wont get there by what we been doing for the last 30 years of making rich richer and poor poorer. I hope all of america can finally ake up and watch a little better this time because it doesnt have to be this way.

When will people wake up to the fact that "we the people" and every citizen are the "Job creators" in this country and businesses hire more people to do the jobs when the average citizen call for demand by purchasing something that will cause an employer or manufactiurer to even begin to hire people for jobs? If corporations were the "Job Creators" then how can they possibly create demand for product if a person is laid off of work and not spending? I hope to see the day when this termonology gets corrected because its of great importance to be corrected finally. Employers dont CREATE JOBS...they HIRE and EMPLOY people when PEOPLE spend on products that create DEMAND, thus calling for HIRING by employers...Employers are not JOB CREATORS damn it! We the people are! Does anyone NOT understand this yet? As far as texas goes, our greatest strength as a country is being UNITED and what makes us the most powerful nation on earth period and we will start looking like europe if they were let out of the union...if our politicians would stop thinking of self intrest and we all ork together like we should have been doing then this would not be an issue. i have been watching the last 12 years very closely and it seems to me that one political party decided they didnt want to be part of the solutions for our country and chose to lay down in a most critical time of our nation. Hopefully now thst things are settled again can we start to work on the issues the VOTERS wanted again..like they did in 2008 but got denied for bunch of ideological reasons that were dangerous. Our issues are not rocket science and its high time we start working together. The more people working the more money people have and the more money those rich people have..we wont get there by what we been doing for the last 30 years of making rich richer and poor poorer. I hope all of america can finally ake up and watch a little better this time because it doesnt have to be this way.

Hey ignorant dumbasses.. it's not just Texas .. go visit whitehouse.gov .. half of the states have filed petitions to secede

There's Texas logic for ya. "We hate this president! He's the worst president in the history of the USA. He's mismanaged everything he touches. The USA is doomed! Let's ask his permission to consider letting us leave the union."

ozzy,

Good luck TX, you’re doing the right thing and the hell with the left-wing anti-American lowlifes.

Let's get one thing straight here. There ain't nothing more anti-American than trying to become something other than American. That's what the Americans turned Taliban jihadis did. It's the fools and their supporters who signed this petition who are anti-American.

Gee. If Texas takes all the red states--which somebody claimed is where all the money for social programs go. What a moron--then the country wouldn't have anybody left to fund all the social programs that the liberals love SO much.

If Texas leaves, can we send Limberger, FAUX news, O'rilley, Rove and Cheney too!

I'd be ever so grateful.

Is that a promise or a threat?

No, just a statement. You obviously didn't read my second statement. I hope this would never happen again in this great country. However, I do believe that President Obama has done a lot to divide this nation.

Just one man's opinion.

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That's funny Karen because all the points are what Republicans have been attacking, not Obama.

Please include yourself with the Texicans on their way out.

My hope would be that they are forced to take Faux News with them.....then they can stay as uneducated as they obviously are. The majority of the debt has come from the Bush years...Obama has added minor debt and NOTHING like previous GOP presidents. The debt was not an issue until Obama was elected and then the GOP started pointing their crooked fingers at him. For a reality check and I'll try to put it as simple as I can for you......ONLY 57% of voters in Texas supported Romney......the other 43% supported others....out of nearly 8 million votes Romney got over 4 million of them BUT Obama got nearly 3 million.....since everybody who voted for Romney IMO are not wacko members of the right these whiners are simply once again a vocal minority (MINORITY) of what I've always found to be rational and proud Americans in Texas.......

Yeah, wolfpack - he's done a whole lot to divide the nation... Like try to compromise on nearly everything for over two years only to have no concessions from the other side. Like fulfill every campaign promise he could, and at least try to fulfill the others before hitting opposition. Like being more centrist and bipartisan than most Presidents. Like refusing to fully embrace his mandates after the '08 election so that he could compromise...

Oh, wait... He's 50% black man... Yep, he did divide the nation, didn't he?

And on a side note... We were Soooooo united under George W. Bush, weren't we? If Obama "divided" the nation so much, that would indicate we were together. Not so much, wolfguy.

Aren't you tired of that old lie about Mr. Obama dividing things? Oh seriously, as others have pointed out this country has been divided for a long time. He has tried to bring people together, but since the Republican leadership decided to act like spoiled brats and state they would block everything he did just to get him out of office it has been a challenge. Grow up and stop complaining about him dividing people when those of you who constantly obstruct and complain are the ones dividing the country. How about looking at reality? If there is a civil war it will be between those who want to ruin this country and those who want to go forward, and a little hint for you...it won't be Mr. Obama wanting to ruin the country. You can choose whether you want this country to do well or not, and the first step is to stop complaining and contribute positively.

Trust me it wouldn't be much of a war

Dear whiny secession minded Texans.....YOU LOST THE ELECTION...MAN UP and GET OVER IT

Really Wolf, Obama did alot to divide this country? By being black, having to prove hes not from Kenya, a muslim, an arab? A senate leader that says number one priority is to make Obama a one term president not jobs? Teapartiers with shirts that say "lets put the white back in the White House"? The hatred from people like Rush and Trump and lies from Faux Noise. And Obama is the divider?

kaleb. You mean his grand statement on compromise? Let's see, how did it go? Oh yeah, "We're driving the bus now. You can come along, but you have to ride in the back."

President Obama, the great compromiser. That's good for a laugh.

If any body divided this Country it was the Pee Party radical Nut Jobs PLEASE TAKE THEM WITH YOU WHEN YOU SUCCEED.

Wolf, please site your source or date for President Obama telling people to ride in the back of the bus. I'd be interested in seeing it. President Bush, after he LOST the popular vote, made an entire speech about how "elections have consequences." He was gifted the election (either by the electoral process or the Supreme Court, depending upon who you talk to), but he acted like he had a huge mandate. Obama, however, tried to bring everyone into the fold. He could have gotten a public option on health care, but he was too busy trying to compromise. He was getting lambasted by the left-leaning media people on MSNBC because he wouldn't grow a spine and stand up to them. He wanted to compromise too much. This is the fact of what happened.

President Obama has done absolutely nothing to divide this country beyond being black. That is the dividing factor and the only one. That is why there are codes thrown all over the place... "muslim" "lazy" etc. He's framed as a socialist, even though he's LESS GOVERNMENT oriented than Nixon. Or really even Eisenhower.

President Obama is "different." It is easy to paint someone "different" as a divider. Hell, Republicans have painted him as a Muslim AND a Christian fanatic who follows Reverend Wright. IT CAN"T BE BOTH! Idiots like Donald Trump still question if he's an American.......... And the Republican Presidential candidates during the primary wouldn't simply stand up and say the President is an American! At least John McCain had the balls to stand up to someone who said he was a Muslim and tell her she was wrong.

Obama as a divider is the same as saying Bush as a uniter. No sir, no way. Obama may have divided people on some issues that they were already divided on (like health care).... Bush may have united people on issues they were already united on (like 9/11)... But overall?? Puh-lease.

Hey Wolfpack PLEASE GO WITH TexA$$ when it succeeds

Get rid of TexA$$ THE SOONER THE BETTER

Our last republican president was Bush from Texas. He took a 200 billion dollar surplus the first year from Clinton and turned it into a 450 billion dollar deficit the next year.

Obama did nothing to divide this country. The Right Wingers did from the first day after he won his first term. Remember how they said they would do everything they could to make sure he had a failed presidency. Well, against headwinds like that he still got Healthcare Reform which is the biggest thing this country has done for the people since Social Security. You might not like it but it is the Law of the Land and 53% of the voters made it so.

I'm so happy that I can finally see this country on the right track. I've been waiting for 50 years.

I'm so sick of Dittoheads.

actually i never post, but the vitriolic comments from yall have elicited a response from me, unlike you goddamyankee's, i worked for a living and had a beautiful garden. until some goddam yankee decided my tiny little place would be better suited as a vacation home for some goddam yankee to put a business there.

thats right. goddam yankee used emminent domain to force me out. then used MY land to build him a lakeside vacation home. so all you godddam yankees? stay home and starve. never heard of anyone retiring and moving NORTH!!!

just this southern girls take on things

Sounds good to me and the sooner the better. I only have two requirements, the first is that Texas pays its share of the national debt since it's probably more responsible than any other state. The second is that Texas has to build an impenetrable wall around the entire state. Now that I can live with, like I said the sooner the better!!!

If Texas is successful and secedes, I would move there in a heart beat.....

Dear Texas;

Please don't say it if you don't mean it. Millions of AMERICAN hearts will be broken if you don't make good on your threat. Don' let the 'ol saloon doors hit yer arse on tha way out.

Poor losers and childish actions. Leave! No aid, no military, no anything from this USA! Elect Bush as your president. Butch of whimps!

anynmouse, if the STATE took your land for business, address it to YOUR STATE. A private individual does not have the right of EMINENT DOMAIN - that is a legal concept for STATES to use to take your land. Here in Virginia we approved an initiative that Eminent domain can ONLY be used to take what is ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY. How is it some "Yankee" 's fault that YOUR STATE took your land and decided it was better used for something else?

http://www.columbia.edu/cu/cssn/expansion/infosheets/eminentdomain.pdf

Eminent domain, broadly understood, is the power of the state to seize privateproperty without the owner's consent. Historically, the most common uses ofproperty taken by eminent domain are public facilities, highways, and railroads.

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http://www.expertlaw.com/library/real_estate/eminent_domain.html

What is Eminent Domain

Eminent domain refers to the power possessed by the state over all property within the state, specifically its power to appropriate property for a public use. In some jurisdictions, the state delegates eminent domain power to certain public and private companies, typically utilities, such that they can bring eminent domain actions to run telephone, power, water, or gas lines. In most countries, including the United States under the Fifth Amendment to the Constitution, the owner of any appropriated land is entitled to reasonable compensation, usually defined as the fair market value of the property. Proceedings to take land under eminent domain are typically referred to as "condemnation" proceedings.

If your state designated a person or company who had the right to exercise eminent domain on behalf of the state or the people in the state, that is STILL on your state. Or maybe you didn't pay taxes on your property and the state auctioned off your property? Your assertion that someone exercised EMINENT DOMAIN on your property who was NOT the state and decided to build either a vacation home or a business (hard to believe that it's a combination - it's either one or the other) leads me to conclude that you didn't PAY YOUR TAXES and the property was SOLD to pay back taxes and then portioned and a portion was sold again either for the business or the vacation home. If that's what happened then the fault lies SQUARELY on YOUR OWN SHOULDERS and not anybody else's.

This is not a laughing matter!

It is a fact now that millions of ex-Europeans, aka Caucasians, are hell bent on mass murdering millions of non-pure white Americans to preserve this land as an apartheid paradise. It will be one hell of a fight as Blacks, Browns, Jews and Native Americans are slaughtered.

Putin and the Chinese will look on in amazement meanwhile laughing their ass off.

Just that a worldwide response will be eminent as like in the Sudan. Misery, malnutrition will become a sight for the once mighty America to share with Somalia as outside forces creep in to take advantage of the spoils of war.

Once again, a great nation destroyed because of hate whilst proclaiming God's love.

This is not a laughing matter! This is serious!

This is not a laughing matter! This is serious!

This is not a laughing matter! This is serious!

This is not a laughing matter! This is serious!

This is not a laughing matter! This is serious!

I am from the Battle Born state of NV and if Texas leaves the union - me and my family will join Texans to help make that country the very best it could hope to be!

I agree it is becoming a hate filled country.

Obama won so stop blaming Bush for everything because now Obama will have the next 4 years under his belt and it will not be Bush's fault. Companies are already laying off, His General is front page news and this is Obama's fault not Bush. Instead of staying in the states this week he's off right away to avoid another problem with his cabinet members, now its Obama screw up.

Mindless nitwits. A traitor is a traitor and the penalty is death.

Liberals will never believe that their way is not the best for the people of this country! They believe in their superiority and if something goes wrong it is someone else's fault. They are kind of like teenagers who will not listen to reason and believe they are entitled to whatever they desire. Someday these morons will learn that the majority of this country will not allow the wool to be pulled over their eyes forever!

Hey Kaleb-omg, here's the source you requested, video and all! Guess you're too high and mighty on your liberal chariot to believe precious Obama can be a pompous ass?

And have any of you been to Texas? I'm from New England but when I visit, it is a great place. There are more American flags there than any other state I have been to (granted just 26, not all). They are loyal to their land and want what is best. But they rightfully see that America is on a down slide with the liberals in charge, and in the true Texan spirit, wish to put their future in their own hands. They don't want handouts or to pay for those who don't work for a living, like welfare or Obamacare.

Thumbs up to your comment Dan M-1100664! Yes, 99% of people on hear are liberals that ONLY know how to talk smack and not address real problems this country is facing. All you need is a slick-and-quick tongue in their book. They remind me of bratty little teenagers and irresponsible people who will ALWAYS use the race-card, gender-card, age-card, moron-card, etc. to get what they want and cry out :"LIFE IS NOT FAIR!" BOOBOOO.......

To Kaleb-OMG in defense of Wolfpack- Bravo

On 10/26/2012 during the mid-term elections - President Obama was in Rhode Island and his exact words were:

"Republicans had driven the economy into a ditch and then stood by and criticized while Democrats pulled it out. Now that progress has been made, he said, “we can’t have special interests sitting shotgun. We gotta have middle class families up in front. We don’t mind the Republicans joining us. They can come for the ride, but they gotta sit in back.”

Please tell me how this statement shows he is willing to work with the republicans. The statement above tells me - I will do what I want, when I want, however I want, and you can't stop me.

Oh and don't forget that Senator Harry Reid stated that if Romney had won - the democrats would not have worked with him either.

Honestly I don't like either party anymore. We all have to open our eyes and realize they don't care about the people. They care about being in office and having power and it doesn't matter to them that all of us get hurt in the end.

They are all rich and they all use the same loopholes as all rich people (including Romney) to pay as little taxes as possible.

Whether they are republican or democrat I can guarantee they are all paying a lower tax rate then the rest of us.