Student veterans sue UNC system alleging military discrimination

Courtesy Hayleigh Perez

Hayleigh Perez, a former Army sergeant who served in Iraq, is pictured with her daughter, Caleigh.

Two student veterans who claim U.S. colleges are profiting from artificially inflated tuition fees by misclassifying the residency status of veterans have filed a federal lawsuit against the University of North Carolina Board of Governors, in part for allegedly engaging in that same practice.

The suit, filed last Thursday in Raleigh, accuses the UNC Board of Governors of discriminating against Iraq War veterans and UNC branch students Hayleigh Perez, 26, and Jason Thigpen, 35, by allegedly failing to provide “adequate services, facilities, resources, and assistance” needed to help the two students transition from war to college.

Perez and Thigpen are seeking $10 million in compensatory and punitive damages from the UNC Board of Governors for allegedly inflicting “profound financial hardship and psychological injuries” to the two veterans within a school system that “advertises and purports itself to be one of the most ‘military friendly’ in the country,” according to the suit. Last month, Perez, who attends UNC Pembroke, became the face of a national, grassroots campaign to stop American universities from stamping student veterans as out-of-state residents — thus forcing them to pay the schools $10,000 more in tuition each academic year — after returning home from combat deployments or other military assignments. (Her Change.org petition asking the UNC System to "stop discriminating against student veterans" has garnered mroe than 147,000 signatures). 


“This is not about money. This is about colleges doing the right thing, doing the legal thing and taking care of these students the way they’re supposed to,” said Thigpen, who attends UNC Wilmington and who has been fighting residency claims for other UNC system student veterans through his organization, the Student Veterans Advocacy Group (SVAG).

UNC officials responded to the suit with an emailed statement: “We believe the University has complied fully with federal and state law and has not discriminated against Ms. Perez or other student veterans.

“To the contrary, UNC has demonstrated a strong commitment to North Carolina's military community,” added Joni Worthington, vice president of communications for the UNC system. “The 2012 UNC Serves Resource Guide provides an extensive campus-by-campus inventory of resources, support staffing, services and initiatives specifically dedicated to support military-affiliated students and their families. We're committed to do even more and continue to make incremental progress as resources allow.”

On Oct. 22, NBC News reported SVAG’s assertion that some 250,000 student veterans — many of them lifelong residents of the states in which they're enrolled — were abruptly dubbed out of-state residents by their colleges and, thus, billed at higher tuition rates, after they were temporarily transferred to other military bases or deployed overseas. The practice has been seen at schools in 38 states, SVAG reported. 

The issue centers on a fundamental change to the GI Bill, enacted last year by Congress, which stripped tuition benefits for veterans who attend public schools and who are categorized as out-of-state students. In-state student veterans enrolled at public institutions remain eligible for full tuition coverage under federal law. 

The student-residency battle “makes up a portion” of the lawsuit, Thigpen said.

But allegations that the UNC system discriminated against Thigpen and Perez are the fundamental underpinnings of the suit, Thigpen added.

In short, the suit describes Thigpen, Perez and other student veterans in the UNC system as a “minority group.” And it alleges that when the plaintiffs each sought assistance from their individual UNC colleges — much like the services and resources provided “to other minority groups such as: African-Americans, LGBT, Hispanics, and women — they’re nearly none offered commensurate with having such high Veteran student populations,” the lawsuit said.

The UNC system included about 10,200 student veterans as of 2011, representing nearly 9 percent of the total undergraduates attending the 16 UNC system schools, according to the lawsuit.

“Had the federal (GI Bill) law not changed last year, would student veterans necessarily have issues with the lack of programs, facilities and resources available for them (in the UNC System)? Yes, they would,” Thigpen said in a phone interview. "But is residency classification one factor that led to this? Definitely.”

When Congress altered the GI Bill and removed tuition coverage for out-of-state residents, that placed a large financial burden on thousands of student veterans, Thigpen said.

Perez, for example, was classified as an out-of-state student by the UNC system after she temporarily accompanied her active-duty husband to Texas following his military transfer. While she was away, Perez said she continued making property tax payments on her North Carolina home. When she returned and enrolled at UNC Pembroke, the school billed her tuition fees at the out-of-state rate, costing her an extra $4,600 for one semester.

“When you have such a drastic change, obviously there’s going to be a much greater need for school services for the thousands of veterans who are attending the UNC system,” Thigpen said. “They are going to need more resources. But by not responding to our numerous requests for changes to the existing veterans’ services, that leads to (our claims of) discrimination and negligence.”

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...as usual... it is about how much money can the colleges suck out of people, NOT about education...you gotta look at where you go to college and what you are learning!!

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Reply#1 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 6:24 PM EST
Comment author avatarTravis from Soviet Occupied New EnglandExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

In short, the suit describes Thigpen, Perez and other student veterans in the UNC system as a "minority group."

Yep, another special interest group looking for a privilege it hasn't earned. Tell me, just what part of enjoying an overinflated salary for 4-years, followed up by 4-years of completely free education (which includes a housing stipend) is unjust?

This new generation of veterans coming back is the biggest lot of prima donas I've seen in my entire life. If you've got legitimate PTSD then you're entitled to get help. Otherwise you need to join society like the rest of us. You weren't in D-Day, you weren't at Stalingrad, you didn't have to run across an open field with a sword and battle Romans. Just shut up and get on with your life already and stop bothering everyone else.

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#1.1 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 9:23 PM EST

"Over inflated salary"?????? Are you SERIOUS? These people are not paid huge salaries...and as far as I am concerned....the mere fact that they put their lives on the line for our country...they DESERVE the salaries and benefits due them. That said, I do not believe the people should pay out of state tuition when perfectly good universities are located in the states where these veterans reside. As usual, there is a lot of missing information in this story that prevents readers from forming informed opinions as to the truth of this matter.

  • 18 votes
#1.2 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 10:34 PM EST

Travis--You need to thank a veteran every day for the privilege of being able to write the most selfish, self-centered drivel it has been my displeasure to read today.

  • 17 votes
#1.3 - Wed Nov 14, 2012 12:06 AM EST

Harvard is currently doing something equally as underhanded to a student right now. Last year, they allowed ROTC to come back on campus after many years, and this young woman joined in order to get a portion of her college paid for in exchange for a four-year commitment later.

Harvard decided that the $18,000 she was receiving, basically as a loan in exchange for her service, should count exactly the same way any other student loan should, and reduced her grant money. This has placed a great hardship on her family.

http://www.myfoxboston.com/story/20078365/2012/11/12/harvard-slammed-for-anti-military-rotc-policy

  • 5 votes
#1.4 - Wed Nov 14, 2012 7:49 AM EST

Travis- You ungrateful POS! We weren't there for D-day/ Stalingrad/ Rome! Well how about "Phantom Fury" The SECOND clearing of Fallujah. IED's on every damn roadway! Snipers shooting at soft spots on body armor of patrols and convoy gunners. Suicide Vest IED(SVBIED) in the cities, Vehicle Born IED(VBIED) driving on the roads. They hide among the locals and wait for us to pass so they can shoot us in the backs! A fellow Marine had to beat a insurgent to death with the enemies own rifle not to long ago in Afgn. These are a fraction of MY OWN exp because to list the last 9yrs of my life as a Marine and 5 combat tours would take too long to post. So dont sit safely behind your computer and run your mouth about "This new generation of veterans coming back is the biggest lot of prima donas I've seen in my entire life." We are protecting this society with our Damn lives.

  • 12 votes
#1.5 - Wed Nov 14, 2012 8:48 AM EST

To Travis in Soviet Occupied New England, what the he** you're TRYING to talk about? The Military is not a video game little boy!! These men amd women deserve the best!!

  • 6 votes
#1.6 - Wed Nov 14, 2012 12:56 PM EST

Really a very simple solution to this, require that any state school accepting the federal $$$ must charge veterans the lowest tuition rate they charge to anyone. Effectively giving all veterans "in-state" rates.

  • 8 votes
#1.7 - Wed Nov 14, 2012 2:32 PM EST

Being overcharged tuition due to residency status is an issue for the taxpayers who pay the money in taxes to the federal government for Vets higher education.A person's residency is based on where you reside and what is your mailing address.The amount these two are suing for go above and beyond any harm that they deem has been hoisted upon them.

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#1.8 - Wed Nov 14, 2012 4:32 PM EST

The BIG QUESTION:

Does the state have an obligation to grand special remedial help to persons placed in a situation by the FEDERAL government.

The state did not require them to serve, did not mess up their life, and is treating them like other "ordinary" students.

If their is a eeadjustment cost it should be born by the party which required the original action... the Federal, not the State government

    #1.9 - Wed Nov 14, 2012 5:04 PM EST

    Hey Travis, we sent out 2 medevac choppers to pick up 4 wounded, Both were shot down, the medics killed, crew & the wounded killed, the 8 surriving chopper crews trapped in the wreckage. A 5 hour firefight raged as marines tried to save the crew & recover the casualities. Of the 5 who surrrived, they had a total of 8 limbs left. Don't tell me you have the slightest understanding of the sacrifices the military is called upon to give.

    • 3 votes
    #1.10 - Wed Nov 14, 2012 5:38 PM EST

    Travis..... I am out here in society earning my way. It is only that we have police forces that you need not stand guard your home or life in most instances. There was an old west where the absence of law enforcement meant your wife and daughters where fair game for rape unless you could defend them yourself.

    Prior to the revolution and our having an army, we could be invaded from all sides. Do you think America would be free right now if the military disbanded in all forms today at this very moment?

    Who do you think is in uniform right now showing a force of might so strong that the other nations will not invade us right now......you? Putin is afraid of you? China is afraid or you? Iran afraid of you?

    Your ability to use the internet right now as you speak is afforded you by the people in uniform right now standing guard. Heck a private security guard earning minimum wage at the mall is one of the only people you will never thank for securing the parking lot so your wife can leave without getting raped or robbed as she would if there were no mall cops, or police force around. You would then have to pack heat and your life expectancy would be around 35 as it was in the old west.

    You have a big mouth.......... keep it shut or use it to say thanks for your freedom to be so ungrateful to the brave men and women that get up every morning and choose to stand at the fence and watch over our country.

    • 3 votes
    #1.11 - Sat Nov 24, 2012 1:58 PM EST

    Travis,

    Your a moron! The average pay for someone serving 4 years in the military without having a college degree is less than $30,000.00 a year. Keep in mind that there is no overtime, and you are on call 24/7 365days a year.

    Cleaning lady,

    Residency status is usually different for military personel. My husband hasn't lived in Texas for 26years but he remained a resident until he retired from the military and we settled in Illinois. I myself being a child to a military father did not have established residency in any state when I came back to the States after High School in order to attend college. Fortunately, a nice guy in the admissions office at Ohio State (Go Bucks!) let me know how to establish residency in order to get me into the "in state" tuition bracket.

    • 2 votes
    #1.12 - Sat Nov 24, 2012 3:05 PM EST

    First, a decision needs to be made about these soldiers "home" states. If they were based at Fort Bragg in N.C. for example and then deployed overseas for a year or more they are clearly in state tuition payers. If they were moved from base to base to base, that is another problem that needs to be addressed. However I believe it is the Armed Services/Federal Government that needs to provide transitional services for soldiers reentering society/workplace/schools. It is not the place of universities. LIKE HELL "it's not about the money". They are trying to cash in and make the N.C. taxpayers and all other students attending the UNC system pay higher tuition for decades to fund their payoff. I'd believe them if they sued for instate tuition and lawyer's fees alone. I respect veterans and think the federal government should provide transitional services AND job training/job placement services as well as assisting former service personel in locating and applying to appropriate colleges/universities.

    • 1 vote
    #1.13 - Sun Nov 25, 2012 7:56 PM EST
    Reply

    What ever happend to being honest these days?

    • 6 votes
    Reply#2 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 6:47 PM EST

    I bet if she were an illegal immigrant they would give her school much cheaper then. Screw the citizens and lets give it away to all the foreigners.

    • 14 votes
    Reply#3 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 7:56 PM EST

    I have to say I am rather disappointed in UNC school system and any other system that engages in this shoddy practice. These people go and fight in wars and dedicate a portion of their lives to our country and then to come home to the state you've called home for most of your life only to be told you're an "out of towner" is cruel. They may have lived in other parts of the world due to their jobs but the state that they call home should be proud to call them locals.

    • 10 votes
    Reply#4 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 8:11 PM EST

    After I retired from active duty in 1993, I made my residence state Florida. After doing that I was hired to be a contractor for the US Embassy, Kingston Jamaica from 1993-97. In 1997, I chose to return to Florida and attend a state university in Jacksonville but they would not recognize me as a Florida resident, even though I had a FL driver license and was registered to vote, as I had no bills of utility payments etc. at the address on my driver license. However, while in Jamaica in 1996 working, I voted absentee in the federal election from Charlotte County. Their records showed that and that is what "convinced" the state university to honor my residency thereby meeting the university requirements -

    Another great reason to vote - even when out of state at the time of elections! I went on using my GI Bill to finish my Bachelor and Masters Degree requirements in 2002. Since 2011, I have been in Barbados, as a contractor for the Embassy and this last election in Nov 2012, I voted absentee again - just in case any residency requirements may be needed in the future for Florida - and because I have voted in every election since being eligible to do so since 1972!

    • 1 vote
    #4.1 - Wed Nov 14, 2012 6:38 AM EST
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    Comment author avatarTom-309324Expand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

    Of course the college should pay them TEN MILLION DOLLARS!!!!!! Why not, somebody always needs to pay!As long as it's not me! Screw the other students! Why, they can pay a little more in tuition, just like everyone who makes more earned income than me should pay more taxes, just not me! Heaven forbid that they sue not for TEN MILLION DOLLARS, but for the laws to be changed to protect veterans. Hell no, SHOW ME MY MONEY!!!!!!

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    Reply#5 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 8:22 PM EST
    Comment author avatarTravis from Soviet Occupied New EnglandExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

    Yeah, I agree. God forbid you actually have to attend school in the state you're a resident of to get full benefits. What a horrible injustice...

    It's funny that the Taliban are training their soldiers to use their teeth to rip the heart out of a live chicken, and our soldiers are moaning like babies because their "Shakespeare and Homosexuality 101" course wasn't fully discounted...

    It's little wonder that we're losing that war...not to mention every war we've entered since WWII ended.

    Pack a babies. Pack a babies with weapons.

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    #5.1 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 9:32 PM EST

    Yes it is official Tom, you and Travis are, to borrow a phrase from Jack in Jax, little floppy Richard Craniums and don't have the simplest understanding of how much you owe every veteran ever.

    Sorry to steal from you Jack, but it was needed.

    • 6 votes
    #5.2 - Wed Nov 14, 2012 9:05 AM EST

    Travis, you pos, what have you done for this country? The only reason we have lost every war since wwII, is because of the lilly livered politicians and chicken sh!ts like you.

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    #5.3 - Wed Nov 14, 2012 10:30 AM EST

    Tracy

    Sorry to steal from you Jack, but it was needed

    In the world of academia, citing a line is not stealing! Thanks for the compliment - you are spot on!

    • 1 vote
    #5.4 - Wed Nov 14, 2012 2:44 PM EST
    Reply

    Veterans should be considered citizens of every state because of their service and their sacrifice. Schools should be accommodating in as many ways as possible to help veterans enroll and get every service and support available.

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    Reply#6 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 8:26 PM EST

    It appears to me the blame is on congress for altering the GI Bill. I agree it is not right and should be stopped. Untill we get a for the people's goverment this kind of thing is going to happen.

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    Reply#7 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 8:29 PM EST

    I am not the only veteran this is affecting. Hundreds of thousands of veterans across the country are facing an arduous battle proving their residency to a state- because of the unique circumstances that encompass our military duties.

    I hope that this issue is not affecting thousands of veterans. I hope that this issue is the exception and not the rule. I was stationed in various states and am happy to say that I did not have to face any issues like this. All that people need to do is the right thing.

    • 6 votes
    Reply#8 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 9:15 PM EST

    I agree! While at Camp Pendleton I picked up a few courses at a local community college to enhance my application to grad school, and paid local tuition. Then I returned to Texas, my home though I hadn't lived there in almost 4 years, and went to grad school on in-state tuition. If greedy schools are doing anything different, its treason.

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    #8.1 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 9:28 PM EST

    Treason? Not hardly. Gaming the system like many, many do in gov't- even the military- or questionably profiting from it? Yes.

      #8.2 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 10:05 PM EST

      2liberal - Get a dictionary or a copy of the US Constitution and look up the definition of treason then stop saying idiotic things like your above post.

        #8.3 - Wed Nov 14, 2012 5:43 AM EST
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        Let me see if I have this straight. California grants in state tuition rates to illegals, but U.S. Service Veterans are charged out of state tuition ? I don't care where they are from, Vets come before illegals!

        • 9 votes
        Reply#9 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 9:19 PM EST

        To put it crudely, the cuffs and collars don't match. The government and the colleges all talk about helping and supporting veterans, but their actions do not match their words.

        Priorities people! Priorities! These vets deserve our best. I am less sure about the other recipients of ever expanding entitlement programs.

        • 1 vote
        Reply#10 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 9:26 PM EST

        It doesn't make any sense that they would do that. I have a few veteran friends in school, and their school gets paid for by the military. Wouldn't it be better if there was some kind of provision in the G.I. Bill for them to be classified as in-state? Maybe there has been or is, and I just don't know it. Especially public schools that receive federal or state funds. But $10 million? That just looks greedy.

          Reply#11 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 10:05 PM EST

          These 'schools' spend more than ten million per month on sports, simply to get their hands on the TV rights money. In this case, they are hitting veterans for an additional $10K per year, simply because they have been able to get away with doing so.

          Hit them hard, award double the amount, and send a strong message to these crooks.

          • 2 votes
          #11.1 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 11:37 PM EST
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          "This isn't about money"the article states, then why are they suing for $10 million. I am a retired Disabled Veteran and I do understand their situation. The college receives Federal Funding and has an obligation. Rest assured, IT IS ABOUT MONEY, TO BOTH SIDES.

          • 2 votes
          Reply#12 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 10:33 PM EST

          Of course it makes sense that the school would treat them as out of state because these folks changed their state residency.

          I graduated from UNC and was US Army 25th Infantry Division for one tour. I recall some folks in the Army changed residency to states such as Florida and Texas so they would not have to pay state income taxes. I could have done this for several years and then changed my residency back to North Carolina 1 year prior to exit I and still would have qualified for in-state tuition but I chose not to "game" the system.

          While out of state and on deployment I chose to pay NC state income taxes so I could retain my in state residency so when I left the military I could then move forward with my education at a N.C. public university. The university system never questioned my residency and I paid in-state tuition graduating with a B.S Computer Science.

          If you change your residency to Texas so you don't have to pay state income tax, don't expect the N.C. University system to treat you as an in-state resident.

          • 2 votes
          Reply#14 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 11:13 PM EST

          exactly. i am retired air force, and saw many people do this. we are fortunate to have many tax benefits and loopholes that we can take advantage of while in the service, but sounds like these folks are trying to game that even further, gain the benfits of residency while avoiding the same obligations that residency entails.

          • 1 vote
          #14.1 - Wed Nov 14, 2012 2:34 AM EST

          According to the article she was still paying NC taxes, as well as maintaining property and paying property taxes. You make the unsubstantiated assumption that simply because she was stationed in Tx for a year that she also became a Tx resident.

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          #14.2 - Wed Nov 14, 2012 5:10 AM EST

          No Dave, the article stated that she was paying property tax but did NOT indicate that she was paying state income taxes.

            #14.3 - Wed Nov 14, 2012 5:46 AM EST

            Since the article did not implicitly state Ms. Perez paid NC state income taxes during her "temporary" residency in Texas, I assume she did not, since it would have strengthened her case for residency. Just paying property taxes on a home, especially if you did not file income taxes in the state where this property is owned, establishing it as your primary residence, is not enough to establish residency. This would be like a person who lived in NY owning a vacation home in NC trying to claim NC residency for tuition purposes.

            Did Ms. Perez maintain her drivers license, vehicle registration, and voter registration (voting by absentee ballots) in NC using her NC address? Ms. Perez could have continued to file NC state income taxes as married filing separately to maintain her residency status. But it appears she did not. Since she was not the one stationed in Texas and it appears she did not do all she could to maintain her residency status in NC, I don't think the UNC system did anything wrong in classifying her as an out-of-state student. Next year, she could be re-qualified for in-state residency after meeting other requirements for residency.

              #14.4 - Wed Nov 14, 2012 8:47 AM EST
              Reply

              "stop American universities from stamping student veterans as out-of-state residents—thus forcing them to pay the schools $10,000 more in tuition each academic year"

              The education scam finds more ways to rip people off and make life more difficult.

              • 1 vote
              Reply#15 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 11:32 PM EST

              The colleges and universities should work out something for the veterans. But to sue for $10,000,000 is total bull@!$%#. Mrs. Perez really have no case here because, she lived in Texas. So what she was paying property tax on a house in North Carolina, she was not living there. Her suit should be dismissed. Come to think of it. Both suit should be tossed. Let's say I worked for ABC corp instead of the Army. ABC corp sent me to their California branch and I moved there. My twin brother worked for the Army and was sent to the California Army base. Why should my twin brother working for the Army get in state while I get out of state.

              • 1 vote
              Reply#16 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 11:45 PM EST

              Because there is a difference between deciding to move and taking a job that benefits only yourself and putting your life in jeopardy and going where you are ordered to go, for the benefit of the American people. UNC has demonstrated that they have no integrity or morals, this is an overt and greedy act that deserves a punitive fine. The only way to get them to change is to appeal to their disgusting greed and take away the monetary reward involved.

              • 3 votes
              #16.1 - Wed Nov 14, 2012 9:31 AM EST

              Because there is a difference between deciding to move and taking a job that benefits only yourself and putting your life in jeopardy and going where you are ordered to go, for the benefit of the American people. UNC has demonstrated that they have no integrity or morals, this is an overt and greedy act that deserves a punitive fine. The only way to get them to change is to appeal to their disgusting greed and take away the monetary reward involved.

                #16.2 - Wed Nov 14, 2012 9:31 AM EST

                Because there is a difference between deciding to move and taking a job that benefits only yourself and putting your life in jeopardy and going where you are ordered to go, for the benefit of the American people. UNC has demonstrated that they have no integrity or morals, this is an overt and greedy act that deserves a punitive fine. The only way to get them to change is to appeal to their disgusting greed and take away the monetary reward involved.

                  #16.3 - Wed Nov 14, 2012 9:31 AM EST

                  Because there is a difference between deciding to move and taking a job that benefits only yourself and putting your life in jeopardy and going where you are ordered to go, for the benefit of the American people. UNC has demonstrated that they have no integrity or morals, this is an overt and greedy act that deserves a punitive fine. The only way to get them to change is to appeal to their disgusting greed and take away the monetary reward involved.

                    #16.4 - Wed Nov 14, 2012 9:31 AM EST
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                    Well first off the story clearly states that she paid property tax for NC while in Texas so she should be able to claim residency. Being in the army active duty I can honestly say that my pay isn't "overinflated". Then again my convoy came under small arms fire and 2 vehicles were hit with IED's last week, so it's safe to say state side there isn't much I can compare it to. As for the babies in the military I can honestly relate to that. The colleges have always been about making money though this isn't new. Although I'm wondering if she filed the correct paperwork. Some of the forms can I'll admit be a little confusing as to how you go about claiming it but if she owns a house, she has a state ID and she pays taxes to said state she SHOULD be considered a resident. As far as the 10 million, most lawyers reach for the highest amount possible just to settle for less minus the 40% they will take. I can understand the outrage these people are experiencing, most colleges around military bases hike up the price of tuition for a community college just because they know that the federal government is going to pay. I believe my wife was paying almost 200.00 a credit hour for a community college for her RN. The university an hour away was 30.00 a CH less.

                    Travis, I think you need to reread the story again. Judging from the article because they are unjustly considered out of state even though they paid property taxes for said state, they are not considered eligible for the tuition assisitance because it no longer covers tuition for out of state residence. Most soldiers I have had the privledge of serving with came from homes and situations I can say I am glad I didn't have to endure. Most of these soldiers now have the chance to go to college and make a contribution to society due to the values instilled in them while in service that you seem to either forgot or never had the chance to endure. Instead of sitting there and complaining about someone trying to get an education and complaining of being charged 10,000 (by the way your average enlisted e-4 makes 32,000.00 a year deployed and 4 of them died last night by IED's), why don't you write your congress man and let them know how much you detest today's soldiers and you think 32,000 is way to much to be paid to be shot at. The fact that you just ridiculed someone for trying to go to college and then put how they need to join society like everyone else just shows how uneducated you actually are.

                    • 4 votes
                    Reply#17 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 11:48 PM EST

                    Universities charging additional, inflated tuition fees then have more money to buy land confiscated for delinquent taxes. Then the universities can sell the land to drug companies and energy companies, which can then avoid taxes by claiming everything is research. Add in the federal grant monies, and the profits flow like a river--ith none of them payinf any taxes.

                    It is a great scam for those 'education' executives who benefit the most, and it is an abominable injustice for everyone who suffers from the scam.

                    Nail every university for these practices.

                      Reply#18 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 11:48 PM EST

                      As Josh stated, had she paid state taxes she would be entitled to in-state tuition. I totally agree. Problem is, she did not pay state income taxes.

                      Just because I own land in Florida and pay property tax on said land, that certainly does not make me eligible to vote in any local elections. I am not a state resident of Florida.

                      It sounds as if these folks changed their state residency while in the military so as to not pay state income tax or out of stupidity. I'm leaning towards the first option.

                      • 2 votes
                      Reply#19 - Wed Nov 14, 2012 12:14 AM EST

                      The university at which I worked changed its attitude. In the first Gulf War, those reservists and guardsmen called to active duty received full tuition refunds and guaranteed enrollment when they got back. Those called up after 9/11 were told they could withdraw from the university with no refund or flunk all courses. If they were out more than two semesters, they had to re-apply. It is interesting to note that a male was president in the Gulf War and a female president after 9/11. Whether the change was due to gender or the female president's preoccupation with money (except in cases of "gender equity") is unknown.

                        Reply#20 - Wed Nov 14, 2012 12:17 AM EST

                        Plain and simple...all of you whining a$$holes with pampered lives, only because someone else' child goes off to fight your rich daddy's wars need to just shut the hell up, wear a uniform, lock and load and walk down a foreign street and shoot at people you don't know but are taught to hate, then come back here to the good ol' USA and try to get on.

                        I believe everyone here moaning does not have the balls God gave a turd! And yea, it's dumba$$es like me that have or are affording your freedom. So then, how about stop sending our troops overseas, we have plenty of people here that need to be...well let's just say I'll show ya PTSD first hand my friend.

                        And you mister Travis from Soviet Occupied New England. Really? Nice name, you want to complain about the people that keep you free and then accuse your state of being communist? Well when you finally pack your tent and leave Wall Street, please, place your keys on the desk and just board the next boat and leave this country.

                        • 1 vote
                        Reply#21 - Wed Nov 14, 2012 12:25 AM EST

                        As usual, the uninformed, haters, and all around coward dirt-bags feel the need to post thier ignorance online.

                        This is just blatant greed by UNC and any other college system that feels the need to steal from vets that are out there shedding blood for you stay at home and whine teabaggers. Who gives a f@ck what state they pay taxes in. If any of you dipsh!ts ever had to move every two to four years because of orders from your country you might have a clue.

                        Slap another "support our troops" bumper sticker on your gas guzzling SUV, and go back to watching Jersey Shore, your lame posts wont be missed.

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                        Reply#22 - Wed Nov 14, 2012 2:45 AM EST

                        Well, golly. I tried to serve. I went through MEPS in 1996, took my oath in August and even made it all the way to Lackland AFB before a medical condition that I didn't know I had and was not discoverable in the basic MEPS physicals came to light. So I was sent home. Dejected and disappointed. Now all these armchair warriors want to tell me I have no idea what it means to take an oath or serve? Give me a break.

                        I grew up around the military, come from a family of veterans whose service I can follow from the Cold War all the way back to the Spanish-American War. I know the meaning of service and sacrifice, honor and duty. Not just the buzzwords that are thrown around.

                        This story, and many of the comments thereof, stink of veteran worship - the misguided belief that people who join the military are somehow entitled to everything ranging from free education to free jobs and first crack at jobs. It reminds me of a book. What was it called? Oh yes, Starship Troopers. Where service is required or you're a second class citizen. There seems to be many people who want to emulate that model.

                        My grandfather served in WW2. He didn't want a handout when he got back from Europe. He didn't even want a thank you. He just wanted to get back to work. My father served in Vietnam and during the Cold War. He appreciated a thank you but he didn't want the government to send him to college or bump him up the job ladder simply because he served.

                        Here's the real problem: The new breed of "service member" is selfish and greedy. No longer is service rewarding in and of itself, it's all about min-maxxing the amount of benefits they can get using the phrase "I served". They want to get in, do as little time as possible necessary to get the maximum amount of benefits, then leave. Sadly, I still live in a military dominated region and I see the greed play out every day; For example, service members gaming the system to try to get a higher BAH allowance.

                        I know this sounds terribly bitter and maybe it is. But not because I got bumped out of serving after I had planned on making the Air Force my career. That was 16 years ago and was out of my control. No, I'm likely bitter because I grew up hearing stories from veterans who saw things in WW2 and Vietnam that would have made most people cringe - yet they didn't come home and expect their veteran status to entitle them to anything more than what they had when they left. They were just proud to serve their country and do their part.

                        "Ask not what your country can do for you" has become "I spent 4 years in the Army so I'm a 'veteran' - what are you going to give me for it?"

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                        Reply#23 - Wed Nov 14, 2012 4:44 AM EST

                        I agree that we go a little too far worshipping veterans (and I am one, so I believe I have a right to express this opinion). And I know all about those who serve just to get the benefits. Nonetheless, service members do NOT get options of where they are going to live. And it might be nice if the specifics were spelled out to the service member or veteran so they would KNOW whether they would be considered out of state. As someone said, the proper paperwork probably wasn't filled out. We ARE talking the government here - you don't have the right form filled out, you can just forget what ever it is that you want.

                          #23.1 - Wed Nov 14, 2012 6:57 PM EST

                          I see how you many be slightly misinformed. The only thing we expect is to be treated with respect like everyone else. If we are told we rate something and then someone or something tries to screw us out of it we dont just go away. We will always fight to get what is ours.

                            #23.2 - Wed Nov 14, 2012 11:45 PM EST
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                            Sorry, but even she knows this is only about the money.

                            It isn't that she was "stationed" outside of her state, it is that she set up residency outside of her state. This has been reported in the past. There is a difference between being stationed somewhere and setting up residency, which is what she did.

                            Let's put it this way - we know that there are plenty of vets going to these schools, and have no problem with their GI bill and tuition. Now, let's hear from the vets out there - has ANYONE ever spent their entire enlistment in their home state? That's a rarity. They were STATIONED, she RESIDED... very different.

                            There are rules, rules that she did not take into consideration when she was living the way she wished. That does not detract from the fact that she was a resident of another state. Those rules are there for a reason, not to discriminate against vets, but to balance the lack of tax income - which is why even out of state students who are NOT vets must pay more for tuition.

                            When you take into account the fact that one of the biggest problems with vets and colleges are those who are taking up the housing allotments, but not attending class - you can see where they might have some rules set up for HOW MY MONEY IS SPENT.

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                            Reply#24 - Wed Nov 14, 2012 7:01 AM EST

                            This is about Greed, money, and a disfunctional country that is doomed to hell!!!

                              Reply#25 - Wed Nov 14, 2012 7:24 AM EST

                              congress sucks

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                              Reply#26 - Wed Nov 14, 2012 7:47 AM EST
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