Stay tuned. This may reach out and touch even more.

I think you can count on that.

@ mike in Delray

eutimes is a propagandist and faux news rag, I am glad that you are too gullible and ignorant to even notice... With "articles" claiming that alien spaceships will attack Earth in 2012 I do understand the credibility one can give to such ludicrous drivel... Fail.

Not only there faces, but here faces too! :)

Mike - don't count Sinclair on thst list. He's icky and creepy.

This sounds like a "threesome" or maybe a "foursome"....these people are too closely connected.

My premise is still valid on the Military Purge...

NO, it is not valid. No one serving in the military is able to openly endorse a candidate for presidency; especially not a high ranking officer.

You must appear to be impartial to politics at all times.

You'd know that if you had served; and if you did serve, your memory could use a refresher course.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_expression

Look up article 88 and Article 134 while you are at it.

That is a bogus on your part and anyone with any actual knowledge of the military should know better.

The reason this is relevant is that "ADULTERY" is a CRIME under the UCMJ. Anyone in a high rank who has committed this crime, can no longer be objectively trusted with national secrets due to the potential for these things to be used against them coercively.

You need to excuse yourself from talking about things you don't know anything about.

General Petraeus has faithfully served his country in the military and as a public servant up to this point. He was the best man for the job, but unfortunately, all people can be made to trip and stumble in the wrong scenario.

Furthermore, Obama doesn't need to use smear tactics to remove a person he does not like from serving in the military or in an appointed office. He is the President and commander in chief; these guys serve at the president's discretion.

amazed, Commanding Generals and CIA Directors don't have "their own time." They demand that their subordinates live by higher values and standards, and essentially live in glass houses. So, when it is brought to light that they don't practice what they preach, it's not a waste of time that they get some exposure. These are not rank and file military and government employees, after all. Their integrity and honor levels are suposed to be beyond reproach. Perhaps as a citizen and a taxpayer, you should care more about how our leaders lead thier own lives.

Chris - well said.

JimN- too bad we do not hold our elected officials to the same moral standards.

Bandit, You beat me to it! I think we're talking to the tune of about $20billion+ that the Pentagon couldn't account for a few years back! Cheney might want to call the Doc and order extra meds along with an oxygen tank and the wheelchair!

I'd like to know the name of the FBI agent who went outside the chain of command to inform Eric Cantor about this incident. Why and what was his intent?

This has become quite a witch-hunt!

So...Some generals have extramarital sex with other people's wives, get caught and somehow it's a political plot? No. It's just guys choosing to have extremely inappropriate extra-marital sex. Nobody forced them to cheat. General Patraeus resigned because he made a very big mistake of his own doing.

I think there is a real issue of privacy here. Why is the FBI on a witch hunt in the CIA to start. Messages between two adults? I don't think this has ANYTHING TO DO WITH OBAMA and everything to do with the long-standing animosity between the FBI and the CIA. Even the congressional committee has been kept in the dark while these two agencies go at each other. WHERE ARE THE ADULTS?

Paul W and Jessie -these are not just "some Generals." GEN P was the Commander of US CENTCOM, the Commander of US and NATO forces in Afghanistan, and the Director of the CIA. He, in those positions, had access to very highly classified State secrets. He was probably one of the most targeted officials for cyber-hackers around the world, and guess what, some of them don't like us very much. He left himself wide open by allowing access to his Gmail account. For cyber hackers, that's a gold mine. Certainly there are no secret nuclear codes there, but the names of his contacts probably are, details about his travels probably are, etc. Now are you understanding why this is different than the greeter at your local wal-mart having an affair?

No Doc, it takes honorable leaders who maintain their oaths and integrity by doing the right things and not the wrong things to keep themselves out of trouble.

Just like when Clinton was in office. Is this really what we want to spend money on investigating? Who cares who he slept with that is a matter between him and his wife not for the country to investigate. As long as he broken no laws and shared no secrets that would be damning to the us...move on. who cares we have bigger issues here in the us to worry about...cant believe that this is what my tax dollars are used for!!!

"it was alleged there had been “inappropriate communications” between Allen and Jill Kelley."

There only trials of soldiers and investigations of Allens and so on!

The other jobs are: how to get into wars in Syria, Iran and so on!

May be: Russia and China are involved here too!

They should create a way that EVERYONE's emails can be monitored for inappropriate behavior so those emails can be flagged and sent to the FBI. Oh, wait, that's Facebook!

Good Morning Mike!

You are spot on....as usual!

Funny how this story pops out immediately while they held off on the story on Petraeus....this house of cards is falling!

Now, on with BENGHAZI!!!! Inquiring minds want to know!!

Take down ALL the criminals!!!

Pathetic how many of you just let your imaginations run wild either politically or sexually and make inane comments.

I blame the Generals' wives...Stop being duds ladies; our National Security is in your hands

What an idiotiotic statement! These wives are no more to blame than than the wife of the soldier who massecured women and children n Afghanistan.

A man's pecker is his responsibility and isn't of national security importance. We have dozens of other high ranking officers waiting to take these men's place in the chain of command.

We spend close to a trillion dollars a year on defense only to see a couple of women throw it all in disarray... obviously we should be making love, not war! :)

I will admit that a man's pecker is his responsibility but a man also has to realize that included he has 2 heads. One on top of his shoulders and one on his pecker. He has a decision to make as to which one he is going to use. Unfortunately, for Petreas, he used the wrong head.

GI JOE-1977278

You're making up things that never happened, no proof and no charge and no conviction - just your imagination. The republicans tried for 8 years to get rid of Clinton, spending 100's of millions of dollars of your money and all they came up with was a blow job. Which is not illegal and his personal business. The most expensive investigation ever for a blow job.

None of the new generals' affairs have anything to do with Obama. Sounds like bickering between two women as to who has the best general sex. Hell has no fury as a woman scorned. I think this is what will turn up not Obama caused them to have sex.

Sorry. but neither of these women, Kelley or Broadwell, are hot enough to risk your carreer over. C'mon Generals, you guys are rock stars! Aim for the stars!

clark-3144812:

Anything to take the focus from the Benghazi Terrorist Attack...

How long are you guys going to keep playing this card? I suppose the fact that Thanksgiving and Christmas are coming up is also an elaborate ploy by Obama to take the focus off Benghazi, too, right?

I propose that we treat the Benghazi episode in the same way the Bush administration treated the 9/11 attack. Don't you Fux educated turds remember? Bush and Cheney would only "testify" as long as it was NOT under oath, in a closed and secured location, with NO recording devices of any kind, no photography, NO note taking, NO transcript and under complete secrecy. All these right wing screamers pissing and moaning about Benghazi would have us all forget about the THOUSANDS of Americans killed on our own soil after numerous warnings to the Bush administration regarding airliner attacks being planned by Osama bin Ladin. Bush incompetence? Who can remember that far back? Nah...

I find it interesting that this woman Jill Kelley is showing up in the middle of all this. What exactly is her position that caused her to be getting "threatening" emails from Broadwell as well as tens of thousands of pages of emails from Gen Allen? What has she been up to that makes her the center of all this? Maybe the FBI needs to be taking a closer look at her! I would like to know what prompted her to go to the FBI over the emails she received instead of to the local police the way most people would have. What is her position that warranted the FBI to take such an interest in some anonymous emails that were far from anything constituting serious threats? Emails telling an average woman to stay away from another woman's man would not normally warrant any involvement from the FBI, let alone this level of attention and investigation. Who is this woman connected to that warranted all this attention from the FBI? Something just does not smell right about this whole mess and Kelley's role in it!

These people brought this scrutiny on themselves. What is apparent is that one agency spies on another and doesn't reveal if they find anything unless they think it matters.

The media picks this stuff up and makes a big deal because it involves sex which sells to the masses. The Benghazi event got less time because that event actually matters a lot since Americans did die and the media wants to bury the facts.

Under oath, everybody from the POTUS down should be asked if they have had, or are currently having an affair. I would bet few are clean. So what seems hypocritical is that the guilty are passing judgement on the recent guilty.

While I think affairs are personal and between a married couple, the problem with these high profile jobs is that they can easily blab sensitive information. We would be naive to think they aren't ego driven enough not to throw out some tidbits of their great knowledge or use their power to provide favors etc. I am sure they aren't always alone when they take sensitive phonecalls.

amazedandalarmed wrote: "Sheesh...Is there any of US that give a damn over who is borking who? Hell from my point of view, I'm happy to see that my armed forces hasn't all turned gay. (I still have trouble picturing a fairy in full battle gear.)"

Did you set out to be offensive or are you just so bone-headed that it didn't even occur to you that your initial comments are so bigoted and homophobic as to be insulting to both our soldiers as well as the readers here. All it took was reading your first paragraph and I stopped reading as it clearly indicated that your credibility was already called into question. Troll.

Every problem will be solved if we go to wars in Syria and Iran.

At least Sunni Saudis and co, NATO ally Turkey/Toorkey, oil companies, Netanyahus and their lobbyists are telling us that there will be faster rate of economic recovery, if the wars are right away.

What is the use of sanctions on Iranian oil?

Oil prices are only around $110. For faster economic recovery, at least they have to reach $200.00

You see: if there are delays, there may be Iranian nukes all over!

Russia and China are about to deliver Syria and Iran most dangerous "chemical weapons", "WMDs" and so on!

So forget all and wars, wars, wars, wars ....!

Ah yes, one week after the election (technically not quite 7 days have passed) and now we have another scandal. First it was Gen. Betray-us and now Gen. Allen with this Talia Shire look-a-like. Remember all, this is where your votes have pointed us to..

JimN: Once the FBI determined the emails were from Broadwell, and also found the emails coming from Patraeus, they determined NOTHING WAS AMISS with ANY improper info being sent via his PERSONAL email account. (Are you saying he was not allowed to send personal emails to anyone he wants?)

Once they determined there was nothing wrong in the Patraeus emails, WHY WHY WHY did they continue to pursue him???? National Security? I don't think so. Would the FBI have pursued this if their own Director was sending PRIVATE EMAILS??? Doubtful. Why did the FBI agent get in touch with the Republicans, i.e. Eric Cantor??

Don't be surprised if one of these Generals or one or two of their underlings start signing about the corruption and lies in the Obama administration. Especially if they try to go the route of prosecuting any of them. Don't delay. subpoena them for hearings on the Hill and let's get to the bottom of it all asap. And send a subpoena out for Hillary too.

Who is Cantor's FBI agent informant?

Let's see, two top Generals, one being the Director of the CIA, being investigated by the FBI and Obama knew nothing about it until the election was all but said and done. Either he is not in control or he is a liar. I have a feeling it is probably both

Here's my theory, which is supported by nothing. But I'm probably right and could save everyone a lot of money.

1. General Petraeus calls it off with Broadwell, who was probably more into him than he was with her

2. Broadwell recalls seeing Petraeus rubbing elbows with this Jill Kelley woman. Boradwell hears Mrs. Kelly has a reputation in DC, she's a "General F##ker". Some women love powerful men.

3. Broadwell, reeling from her rejection by Petraeus, suspects he has moved onto Kelley. Whether this is a legitimate possibility, I'm sure we'll find out. She sends her threatening messages.

4. Kelley, who is obviously flirting with General Allen via email and who knows what else (30,000 pages?) either calculatingly or by blind stupidity contacts the FBI about Broadwells' emails. Even a child would be able to conclude, "Hey, maybe they'll find these other emails from General Allen"

Conclusion? Jill Kelley is an aspiring fame whore who knowingly exposed this whole chain of events in hopes of some sleazy book deal, television interviews, etc. She likely has an unhappy marriage, and looking at her recent photos (in yellow dress), she clearly is hiding something, you can see it on her face a mile away.

But hey, what's intuition?

WHAT A SHAME. The General's dirty laundry being washed in public. Isn't anything sacred anymore. I believe the General's privacy in this matter should be respected. His job performance is commendable and he should be remembered also for the years he dedicated to his Country.

Let this happen to a cop of a firefighter and everyone would want him fired. Yet this guy violates military rules and it's OK. Too bad but in his position he should hold himself to a higher standard.

Yet some see it as a Obama plot because it's to his benefit to see someone that he put in the position fail.

Weird coincidence, both Jill's and Paula's husband names are Scott.

When I read that 10k-20k pieces of mails over a 2-3 year period have been confiscated, it leaves little wonder why events such as Benghazi happen. These people are top commanders. They show a complete dereliction of duty and when crap happens, every one else takes the fall. No government/military official should be allowed to use public access emails to begin with. I believed that with Sarah Palin and I believe it more strongly with these commanders.

These OLD GOATS are probably on VIAGRA and can't keep their 4 HOUR ERECTIONS IN THEIR PANTS.

Another reason why WOMEN SHOULD RULE THE WORLD!!!

Another reason why WOMEN SHOULD RULE THE WORLD!!!

From what I read, women are just as involved so I fail to see the validity of your claim.

This is rich. A bunch of republicons from Petraus to Cantor are being investigated by Fienstien over their own actions and you bozos are saying it is all Obama's fault.

This sounds more like extreme disrespect for th Commander in Chief, and heads need to roll.

Anything to take the focus from the Benghazi Terrorist Attack...

How long are you guys going to keep playing this card?

Hmm...don't know. How long are Liberals going to keep chanting "it's Bush's fault" and "WMDs! WMDs!"

Last time I looked, it wasn't illegal to have an affair. No laws were broken in the Petraeus matter, so tell me what the predicate was that launched the investigation.

If I go to the FBI and complain about someone I don't like will they investigate their email too?

I'm wanting to know the predicate for the investigation of Allen. What is "inappropriate" mean? Were there any laws broken? If not, FBI, stop going through peoples private email.

It is illegal for someone in the military to commit adultery! As for this "supreme leader" candidate, I can't believe these guys are so dumb as to not know that every email they send can be traced back to them.

The military code says an extramarital affair is illegal. The reason is that our enemies will use sex and blackmail to gain secrets from the acts of indiscretion. Gen Petraeus was right to resign. Any other military official who violated the code should as well.

We trust our security to these individuals and they need to act in a professional manner. Plenty of golddigging/power hungry women (and men) are out there happy for their bit of fame, or looking for the next buck. These individuals with no morals may take the knowledge gleamed in the bedroom and use it for profit with our enemies. Broadwell used the knowledged gleamed from her romp to sell books, but others may do worse.

@eric and others, what I took away from the article was that the focus of the investigation is the possibility of a security breach through the divulgence of classified information. Who fvcked whom is not as relevant as what they talked about over a cigarette.

Hey MIKE424215...Women should RULE THE WORLD because we generally use our heads (the ones on top of our necks and sorry for using the word GENERALLY). We generally (OOPS, said it again) don't want to KILL OTHER whole nations who disagree with us. Yes, we will BITCH SLAP YOUR ASS but we would not be led by the MILITARY INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX MACHINE!!!

Again I say, WOMEN SHOULD RULE THE WORLD!!!

Here Here! Hurumph, Hurumph!

I get the "possibility" of a security breach. What initially caused the FBI to go through the emails?

"Possibility" seems a might thin to invade someone's privacy.

Hey!!!!!!! Didn't General Eisenhower have an affair with his female British driver during WW2???

What is the big deal as long as it is not a security risk. This is so much HYPOCRISY.

A couple of observations:

1. Our currrent military leaders are apparently thinking with the wrong bodily organ.

2. Attractive women seem to be attracted to powerful guys in uniform, even if they are really homely.

The tolerance for the this type of relationship has changed since FDR and Ike. The number of congressmen and now generals who led with their johnson is getting to be quite lengthy. I think it's a lethal combination of power and testosterone.

Petraeus should have resigned because of incompetence. Really he's the head of the CIA and he can't keep an affair secret?

Now Kelly is being described as "an unpaid social liaison to MacDill Air Force Base in Tampa". What the heck is that? A base tramp that goes from one officer to another. Was that the reason Broadwell sent her threatening email? Professional jealousy?

Now the concern about Allen having an affair as opposed to Petraeus having an affair is because Allen is still an active military officer and as such he is liable to criminal charges. If he is found guilty he is subject to a year in jail for having a sexual affair as a married officer of the armed services although due to his service record they could waive that penalty. As for Petraeus, he was not on active duty for the armed service and as a private citizen is not subject to the same rules as an active officer. Therefore his affair is not subject to a criminal investigation. Allen denies having an affair so he has to be given the presumption of innocence until proven guilty but good luck with that from the media.

Now about the idiots that are making claims of Obama purging the military of officers...Obama did not initiate the investigation and reluctantly accepted Petraeus' resignation. Allen has not been found guilty of anything but his reassignment is on hold until the matter is cleared up.Also Obama did not write the emails nor did he report it to the FBI. These men are responsible for their action. Not anyone else.

JS in SD:

I was thinking the same thoughts; who is this "social ambassador" that can get the FBI involved over a matter of harassing emails? Another example of justice and protection only for the well and high connected?

Also, anyone able to send 20,000 to 30,000 emails to one person over a two year period has too much idle time on their hands.

I do hope the Liberal media covers the Benghazi case as it has done with this "affair".

Nah, the Benghazi hearings will probably be stuck on page 24 of the newspapers.

20,000 to 30,000 pages of materials and E-Mails between Kelly and Allen from 2010 to 2012?! What was the content of these E-Mails? That is an average of 18 to 41 pages per day!!

Cock trouble will always make news in high profile people.

BORING!

Well, we know that the FBI agent who started the investigation was a "friend" of Kelley and had obviously had some kind of thing going for Kelley too. It was this very same agent who after being taken off the case then contacts Cantor and other Republicans claiming whistle blower status. This was before the election and it has been reported that he has a thing for, (actually against), Obama and wanted this to come out before the election.

What is bizarre is that both he and Kelley seemed to think that only the Kelley email items related to Broadwell would be looked at. Seems like the FBI agent had two motivations. One was to get in closer with Kelley and the other was political to create a stir about Obama. Personally, I see him as exercising some really poor judgement and maybe he needs to be separated from the FBI.

It may be that this FBI agent started this investigation on his own and then moved it up the ladder upon which his inappropriate behavior became uncovered by someone else in the FBI who became a bit suspicious. In the course of digging into Kelley's email further, they find other stuff. FBI sources said that 180 days was the appropriate window for cyber bullying cases, however now they tells us that Kelley and Allen have tens of thousands of pages of communication dating back two years. So this seems to indicate someone at the FBI saw things in the original investigation that raised some red flags. It sounds like neither the FBI agent nor Kelley anticipated this.

This women Kelley seems to be a real piece of work. There are some other photos of her at events with Petraeus present where Kelley appears dressed a bit on the trampy side compared to other women there. Her choice of wardrobe doesn't say anything directly, but does suggest that she is somewhat of a flirt. Ironically, Broadwell's emails to here may have some legitimacy beyond her apparent jealousy.

The FBI on the surface seems to be overstepping their bounds a bit but then you can see that as they dug into this they kept finding things that raised more and more questions. Today we find out that the relationship between Broadwell and Petraeus was at least attempted to be kept covered up. They are now saying that the two didn't really exchange emails directly but both used an "anonymous" gmail account and exchanged communication back and forth using emails that weren't actually sent but were contained within the "drafts" folder. Because these aren't sent back and forth, this trick has been used to avoid detection and can only be obtained by subpoena of the email account. This technique was obviously being used as a method to avoid detection so this has to raise some red flags at the FBI. Again this raises more questions and then causes them to dig deeper.

We don't at this point really know that the Petraeus/Broadwell affair was going on while the General was still a General, but it seem highly likely that it was. And if there are indications that Allen was also engaging in an inappropriate affair too, both of these top ranking military men did so in violation of military policy. In that regard, particularly considering their rank, these guys crossed a line they shouldn't have and they knew full well the potential consequences should it become discovered. You have to ask that if Allen and Kelley were sharing 20-30,000 pages of information, how did the General even have time to do his job? Seems to suggest more than just a casual acquaintance.

As more of this comes out it just seems to get even more crazy. Both of the women involved here have managed to paint a pretty sad picture of themselves. They both look like some kind of predator pursuing men of power.

As far as the Generals go, you have to question their judgement. However, being the same age as these guys I must admit that when considerably younger attractive woman show this kind of interest in you, it's going to be difficult to resist. Bottom line is that this kind of thing can make you stupid. I suppose that if you are an average nobody, the consequences are less because only those directly involved really care. But when you are in a top public leadership role, the price you may pay is far higher and if you are in the military, there is the policy thing too.

If you read about this without knowing who the players involved are, you'd think it was the script for some crazy TV show. This thing really does read like a soap opera. With every new bit of information it takes a step in another direction that I surely wouldn't have anticipated. I guess sometimes life does imitate art.

Oh, and one more thing this article left out!

Apparently the FBI agent (who was also a friend of Mrs Kelley) ALSO sent her topless pics of himself. Guys don't do that blindly, they do it if they are encouraged.

This woman was getting shirtless emails, and apparently continuing the email conversations, with men in the Army and FBI, at the same time.

Everyone involved so far is a Republican so yeah, this will get interesting.

No wonder Cantor didn't tell the rest of the House.

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Oooo, a lot of hanky panky going on.

Funny, everybody thought Broadwell was whacked out for telling Kelley to stay away. Turns out it's Kelley who is the whacked out one.

20,000 to 30,000 pages of email to one person over 2 years??? That's an average of 27.4 to 41.1 pages of email every single day 365 days a year for 2 straight years. If Kelley was doing anything remotely like that to Petreaus, somebody needed to call that crazy woman out!

"Everyone involved so far is a Republican so yeah, this will get interesting." - UnitedStates1776

You're making a pretty broad assumption there.

"It was this very same agent who after being taken off the case then contacts Cantor and other Republicans claiming whistle blower status." - 1NewDay

I've corrected you on this before so try to keep up. He did not take this to Cantor. He took it to his local Representative who then took it to Cantor, who then took it to CIA Director Mueller.

"This was before the election and it has been reported that he has a thing for, (actually against), Obama and wanted this to come out before the election."

Please feel free to show us where "this has been reported" and no, Mother Jones is not considered a reliable source.

"Seems like the FBI agent had two motivations. One was to get in closer with Kelley and the other was political to create a stir about Obama."

Were this unicorns and marshmallow clouds fantasy true, they surely would have released this a week before the election...not a week after.

"FBI sources said that 180 days was the appropriate window for cyber bullying cases"

Wrong, they said 180 days is the amount of time hosting companies generally keep data on their servers.

I could go on but I'm getting bored of all the corrections your narrative needs

"who then took it to CIA Director Mueller." - Mike in SA

Sorry that should be FBI Director.

BTW 1NewDay, perhaps the FBI agent contacted his Representative because the woman he was swooning over and to whom he sent shirtless pictures -- Lord knows what she sent back -- was pressing him on why the investigation wasn't getting the results she so badly wanted. Ever think of that?

Amazing how the MSM has jumped all over this story of sex and intrigue, and can't report enough of it, yet barely mentioned Fast & Furious and Benghazi and the intrigue going on with those two most important stories. I believe a juicy sex scandal is more important to them than 4 Americans being killed and the truth being hidden from us. Yep, MSM......no brain, no gain. You're pathetic!

Who knew that generals had such interesting private lives. Now I am trying to figure out who had the best looking mistress, the dogface or the jarhead? VOTE! 1 - 10, best raw score wins!

"The propagandist's purpose is to make one set of people forget that certain other sets of people are human." George Orwell

Ah yes why should Obama / Clinton or Panetta bother relieving them of command like Ham or Gaouette when it is SOooo much easier to just point out their "Peccadilloes" and remove them from command that way!

In the business they call that kind of a deed a Honey Trap" and I think you can probably understand why? If you won't support an Obama attack in Syria or Iran.....We'll just drag out all of your "Dirty Laundry" and released it to the "Public"!

Come on Generals & Admirals.....Some of you have plenty of "Scandalous Dirt" to spread around and now is the time for all Good Men (and Women) to defend their Country from Wall Streets Political Tyranny!

If you are going to have to "Fall On Your Sword" why not take a few "Corrupt Politicians" with you!

"We do not merely destroy our enemies; we change them." ~George Orwell, 1984

Oh what a tangled web we weave, when first we practice to deceive.

I blame the Generals' wives...Stop being duds ladies; our National Security is in your hands

Better be careful ladies....burka's and hijab's for ALL!!!

Never mind the men's raging hormones!

There is a possibility this is 2 coordinated honey traps set by these 2 women. Broadwell's maiden name was Kranz, a Jewish name and Kelley is allegedly a Lebanese Christian from Lebanon, named Khawam.

The purpose would be to remove both of these men from their duties, in favor of one who would manipulate intelligence and bring about the war with Iran. We had such a person in the Bush years, named Paul Wolfowitz.

There is too much cooincidence for this to be just a couple of affairs gone wrong. Both women positioned themselves to garner information and to bring about a change in command of the CIA. It kind of reminds us all of the Monica Lewinsky affair, which was the honey trap that may have set Marc Rich free, or perhaps the goal was a pardon for Jonathan Pollard. Monica was also Jewish and she initiated the contact with Clinton. Was she working as an agent for Netanyahu and Israel?

The usual Vine idiots that reply "who cares, they had affairs" obviously are incapable of comprehending the fact that these men have the highest security clearances and knowledge of our Nation's most sensitive security secrets.

No big deal? REALLY?

Do you fools not understand that the piece of azz they decide to bang could easily be a covert spy/plant, and then these powerful men subject to blackmail?

Or, is this too complicated for some of you to understand?

Workplace sex....the most common venue for infidelity.

I can easily see the General having an affair with his biographer due to close proximity whereas I assume he spent little time at home.

It's embarrassing that this whole thing became a public story. It seems to have been mishandled from the word go. Once the FBI decided that security was not at risk, they should have quietly ended the investigation. Instead, it has become an overblown personnel matter, landing with a slimy thud on the President's desk. Is he the hall monitor now? Can't this sort of thing be handled in-house at the CIA? Does he sign their pass to go to the bathroom?

Yeah, this was a seriously stupid breach of common sense, and the general should have just retired for, "personal reasons." He should have done that in October. This is a giant conspiracy of where they hid his johnson, and that's all.

Allen, on the other hand, may be in serious trouble. The report does not talk about an affair, you may note. It may be, but it may be talking about troop movements for all we know. Even if it is just an affair (I don't even know or care to know if Allen is married) it is a criminal matter under the UMJC.

One thing I can see, though. This is the most blatant case of quick karma that I've seen in awhile.

“In a time of deceit telling the truth is a revolutionary act.” ~George Orwell

Blackbird But aren't you forgetting that there have been 4 Senior Generals / Admirals brought down in as many weeks?

Two over some Mysterious "Cause" not mentioned and now 2 more for "Affairs" that have been known about for months/years?

Doesn't it sound like a "Military Command Purge" by Obama is occurring? So anyone taking "Bets" on who is next?

“One does not establish a dictatorship in order to safeguard a revolution; one makes the revolution in order to establish the dictatorship.” ~George Orwell, 1984

Thinking with their penis instead of their brain has been the Achilles heel of men since the very beginning when Adam ate the forbidden fruit offered by Eve.

What is so damned funny is this Kelley woman and the infatuated FBI agent are both Republicans and have publicly expressed their dislike of President Obama. It looks like they were trying to manufacture an October Surprise to damage the Presidents re-election. It FAILED, as most republican generated scandals do and it has come to HAUNT the two people who started it like a boomerang. LOL Now we find out the woman Kelley was having her OWN inappropriate affair with another General. I really hope this RUINS Kelley's life as she tried to ruin the Presidents.

MUW....."Doesn't it sound like a "Military Command ADMINISTRATION Purge" by Obama is occurring? So anyone taking "Bets" on who is next?"

Yep, the Progressives are bailing ship.

No need for bets......THE WRITING IN ON THE WALL.

Next in line is Mrs. Clinton. Ever wonder why Valerie Jarrett, instead of Clinton, was sent to "bargain" with Iran ? Ever wonder why Mr. Obama kept her away from the United States and continually on the road ?

Then, the Secretary of the Treasury. He will eventually wind up as a henchman for the IMF.

Of course Mr. Holder is seeing the writing on the wall since he delayed "Fast and Furious" beyond the Presidential election and is now on the chopping block.

Getting back to the Military Command. Mr. Obama NEEDS to thin out the top ranks since the DOD budget is going to be slashed to the point our military will look like Russia (rust buckets and no parts). Mr. Obama has his sights of "using" that money "saved" to support his Social Engineered Programs, just like the funds "saved" for getting out of Iraq and Afghanistan.

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Sandy, Missouri.....nice Progressive comments coming from under your mushroom.

First a CIA director...now another general....

Something is going down. A spy caper? A coop?

This makes Watergate look like a petty incident.

@ Joan

"I believe a juicy sex scandal is more important to them than 4 Americans being killed and the truth being hidden from us. Yep, MSM......no brain, no gain. You're pathetic!"

Joan, were you raising this much hell when THOUSANDS of Americans were killed on our own soil two weeks after an intelligence report was handed to Bush titled "Osama Bin Laden Determined to Attack the United States"?

I doubt it, you hack pig.

Psst ldo... In the MILITARY it's called a "Command Purge" only Civilians are called an ADMINISTRATION.

So is Obama "Purging" his Administration?

Well maybe since "Billary" said "She's leaving" and you KNOW that isn't because of any "Affair"! Nope not even "Slick Willy could pull that train!

It makes for really interesting reading and speculation though....

http://www.realnewsreporter.com/?p=10930

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/10/31/press-tv-us-military-planned-mutiny-on-the-bounty-to-topple-obama/

This Benghazi-Gate "Scandal" gets interesting every day! Ah if only Barrack H Obama had /has the "Honor" of Richard M Nixon!

“To see what is in front of one’s nose needs a constant struggle.” ~George Orwell

The HEADLINE read :

GEN. ALLEN PROBED OVER EMAILS TO WOMAN
So was this the type of PROBE that Todd Akin was talking about or the kind that VIRGINIA wants to FORCE on EVERY woman who seeks Birth Control or an abortion ??
Maybe it was the type of probe that the NYC Police gave to that Hatian for fun ?(broomstick)
Certainly not the type that Senator WIDE STANCE was seeking I hope !

30,000 pages of e-mail!!??? Gosh, this guy must have a lot of time on his hands to read.

Mike in SA,

If you want to debate how Cantor became involved I suppose you may be technically correct, however the jist of it which I summarized is correct and was reported originally in the NY Times and others. Here's an excerpt from Time. But I guess these probably aren't credible enough for you either. Just more left wing media??

In truth, the timing of the news did have something to do with the election. According to reports, the FBI agent who originally reported Jill Kelley’s complaint of harassing e-mails felt frustrated that the bureau did not pursue the case more aggressively. The agent, who after the initial report was not involved in the case, continued to “nose around” about the investigation, another FBI agent told the New York Times, and mistakenly became convinced — because of his “worldview,” the second agent said — that the affair was being concealed for political reasons. That drove the original agent to contact Rep. Dave Reichert, a Republican from Washington State, whom he asked to convey the information to GOP leadership. Reichert spoke with House Majority Leader Eric Cantor on Saturday, Oct. 27. That same day, Cantor spoke with the whistleblower. “Cantor spoke to him and determined that the person was credible, but couldn’t verify [the information] because it came from a single source,” says Doug Heye, a Cantor spokesman. “He was concerned sensitive information had been compromised.”

After consulting counsel, Cantor directed his chief of staff to reach out to the FBI’s chief of staff. But on the following Monday and Tuesday, the federal government was closed due to Hurricane Sandy. It was Wednesday, Oct. 31 before Cantor’s office finally spoke with the FBI. Until this point the FBI, having determined no breach of security existed, had been planning to let Petraeus’s affair remain private. (Petraeus, friends of his told the Wall Street Journal, planned to remain in office.)

http://swampland.time.com/2012/11/13/senate-intelligence-committee-to-probe-petraeus-affair/#ixzz2C8UTE7PK

As for the 180 days, as I understand it, this is information readily available to the FBI and why it is the "typical" first level investigation "standard". To gain access to further information they need to subpeona the provider. Again if you want to debate technicalities, fine, but what I wrote in summary is an accurate represenation. What they were originally looking for was recent exchanges that fit the claims of Kelley. That widow would serve as a dertermination if additional information obtained by subpoena would be pursued.

I'm free to speculate just as anyone else here is, if you don't like it go to Fox News and listen to them speculate about how it is all a conspiracy to cover up something related to Benghazi.

Lastly, I enjoyed your arrogance in how you "previously corrected" me, like I would somehow consider you as some sort of authority on truthfulness. Pretty funny. You have a right to an opinion and so do I. I know what I read and it wasn't in Mother Jones. But your lack of belief that Mother Jones is credible isn't shared by the journalistic community. In fact they are pretty highly regarded and have won numerous awards.

http://www.motherjones.com/about/press/awards-accolades

http://www.motherjones.com/about/press/mother-jones-wins-international-data-journalism-award-fbi-terrorism-informant-database

looking at broadwell and kelley makes me think of the old line from an eagle song:

"how to open doors with just a smile"

not that i think well of the door openers either...

Two women and one man = love triangle.

Two women, One CIA Director (former General), one FBI agent and a current general = Love Pentagon ?

You know that the DC gossip mill is just eating this stuff up.

With Patraeus being named batted around GOP circles for political fodder for 2016, the usual dunderheads at FOX haven't been able to use this against President Obama.

The DoD Christmas parties are going to be pretty boring this year with the "social liasons" being told to be very scarce for a while.

I just hope we are not going to end up firing all our generals like the ancient Athenians did because they lost a war, and then when the next war came along, they found they had no generals to lead their army.

How could Operation: Bang the Biographer have gone so wrong?

ldo, have you seen this?

Holder is going down....along with some of Barrys other "friends"

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/major-banks-governmental-officials-and-their-comrade-capitalists-targets-of-spire-law-group-llps-racketeering-and-money-laundering-lawsuit-seeking-return-of-43-trillion-to-the-united-states-treasury-2012-10-25

Some of the alleged conspirators are Attorney General Holder, Assistant Attorney General Tony West, the brother in law of Defendant California Attorney General Kamala Harris, Jon Corzine (former New Jersey Governor), Robert Rubin (former Treasury Secretary and Bankster), Timothy Geitner, Treasury Secretary, Vikram Pandit (recently resigned and disgraced Chairman of the Board of Citigroup), Valerie Jarrett (a Senior White House Advisor), Anita Dunn (a former “communications director” for the Obama Administration), Robert Bauer (husband of Anita Dunn and Chief Legal Counsel for the Obama Re-election Campaign), as well as the “Banksters” themselves, and their affiliates and conduits.

Funny how this article disappeared from NBC website the day after the executives children were murdered by their nanny!

Mike in SA,

One more thing. Not meaning to "correct" you but just to point out you may have some things wrong.

The FBI agent didn't go to "his" Representative as you stated. He instead asked a friend with a connection to Washington State Representative Dave Reichert to have him ask to get in contact with Cantor. Reichert obliged and Cantor was then in contact with the FBI agent the same day, October 27th.

The FBI agent worked in the Tampa FBI field office and therefore is most likely a Tampa resident. More than likely, his Representative is Democrat Kathy Castor who has worked closely with the Obama Administration. Probably why he didn't go to "his" Representative but instead tried another connection through a Republican. Still don't think he had any political motives? The credible reports say otherwise.

You know I just read something that I didn't know before this broke out but it makes perfect sense. He's a registered Republican. Just another story to add to the list the many family value hypocrites.

@Mike in Delray

With your EUtimes link, you've literally posted the stupidest f*cking comment I've seen on Newsvine in 5 years. If you seriously believe in that level of paranoia and bullsh*t, god help you. I'm sitting here dumbfounded after reading that. 5 seconds after I started reading I began to hear tiny little screams as brain cells raced to my right ear and began to leap to their death.

I am truly stupider for having read that.

The President has a lot to deal with every day, and he depends on the integrity of his Cabinet to present a full picture of America and the world, and to pursue their assigned projects with honesty and their full attention, intellect, and wisdom.

There are various departments of intelligence: CIA is mostly foreign work to know where we stand, FBI is mostly domestic detective work, etc. During an investigation, often there isn't a lot of discussion, partly to keep working on the investigation, and partly so that those being investigated are not aware of it. Therefore, maybe some immediate superiors might know of an on-going investigation, but not every person above that, especially when a case starts with a whistleblower.

Things are very complicated, because those who are implicated in this scandal are part of the CIA and armed forces; the investigation therefore had to be quiet or else it would have been revealed to those being investigated. Those who say that adultery doesn't matter unless there is some stigma about it: we are talking here about people who are in the process of directing the most secret operations for our country, and it doesn't matter to you that they can have all those secrets appear in a gossip column as pillow-talk?

My husband worked for the Navy years ago, as a lowly computer programmer, and he installed a security system (over the objection of one superior, but with the approval of the N.S.A.) that caught a spy. What was the spy gathering information on? Who was buying socks and similar supplies in various ports, which would show where Navy ships were docked. This is called "soft" intelligence, because it tracks socks, not commands from the top. Spies want any information at all; a mistress could think she is loyal, and manage to leak something that could make a huge difference in a war or in an investigation, for example, catching terrorists. This is the seriousness of this situation, and why it is being investigated.

We do not know why the President was not told about this investigation, but I imagine that they were trying to keep the information as quiet as possible before Oct. 31st when Petraeus was confronted with it. The week up to the election is the only question that I have, but although I am interested to know, I'm not sensing some giant plot here; it is possible that the F.B.I. thought the information could wait until after the campaign blitz. I am sensing some kind of strange plot that the information was leaked to some Republicans including Eric Cantor, but he did not use the information for politics, and he gains a respect point for that. Everybody has handled the situation fairly well, and it is appropriate that Petraeus step down.

The fiscal cliff is relatively easy to solve, and requires little energy if done properly: Don't spend money you don't have!!! Problem solved.

Last time I looked, it wasn't illegal to have an affair. No laws were broken in the Petraeus matter, so tell me what the predicate was that launched the investigation.

If I go to the FBI and complain about someone I don't like will they investigate their email too?

I'm wanting to know the predicate for the investigation of Allen. What is "inappropriate" mean? Were there any laws broken? If not, FBI, stop going through peoples private email.

SORRY - - - BUT YUR JUS a "DREEEEAMMUR"!!!!!!

Am I really the only one who doesn't care where these guys put their dicks as long as they are good at their JOBS?

I don't feel like what goes on in their personal lives is even any of our business...

The real story is:

BENGHAZI BENGHAZI BENGHAZI

BENGHAZI BENGHAZI BENGHAZI

BENGHAZI BENGHAZI BENGHAZI

BENGHAZI BENGHAZI BENGHAZI

BENGHAZI BENGHAZI BENGHAZI

Do not let this MSNBC smoke screen obscure the real story.

Benghazi is old news, and by the time 2016 is here it will be even older news.

Hey BENGHAZI NUTS...how could you forget 9-11 happened under Bush & Cheney on

AMERICAN SOIL!!!

Time to have a serious INVESTIGATION on those two now isn't it?

The real issue is not Generals boinking younger women, or emails between parties involved or some wacko FBI agent(s).

Its the economy stupid and what is going to be done about this instead of focus on affairs regarding the military leadership. Possible security leaks that threaten the US?? Oh please

My general has a bigger one then your general! ;P

It's a "Free For All" Folks and as American Patriots we need to be encouraging everyone of "Them" both Left & Right to "Spill It" and let "God" and the "American People" sort out the truth!

Speaking of which watch a "True American Hero" and "General" speak out against the cause and results of these "Crimes"! Then watch a new PBS Documentary outlining the details.....Afterwards come back and tell US who is really Left or Right Guilty or Innocent!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RC1Mepk_Sw&feature=g-all-f

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1l-8PFk8j5I

So all your Corporate Supporting Demo/Republo-RATs should stop trying to intentionally mislead America by helping to maintain the mere "Illusion of Democracy" for your SLAVE Masters on Wall Street who are still hiding from their "Crimes" against US even today!

We have surrendered Our Children's Freedom and Liberty for the Imaginary Nonsense of their "Safety"! It is time to "Wake Up" and start the "Impeachments & Prosecutions"!

"If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face—for ever." ~George Orwell, 1984

Some of you are just plain funny. how the heck is getting laid an international incident ?? Ever since Clinton got some play, the conservative element in america is going into a frenzy. it's just sex. the only person that should care is his wife

george pauljohn....Well if you're the Director of the CYA (oops CIA) and your "Main Squeeze" starts telling everyone your Corrupt Political Masters "International Secrets" at the University of Denver it might just become the latest Chapter of the on-going saga of perversion, betrayal, lies, and never ending deceit of "Obama's" Benghazi- Gate!

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2012/11/12/paula-broadwell-benghazi-attack-petraeus/1699207/

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2012/11/12/why-did-paula-broadwell-think-the-cia-had-taken-prisoners-in-benghazi/

Then "Magically" right after the "Election out come the Obama "Democratic Attack Dogs" spewing their vial nastiness!

Come on Paula you got nothing left to loose they've already branded you a "Slut and a Whore" so it is time to start spilling the "Good Stuff"!

Watergate (where No One was MURDERED) brought down Richard Nixon after he won a second term.....We can only hope Barrack Obama has as much "Honor" as Nixon and resigns over Benghazi-Gate!

But sadly "Everyone knows Broken Promises To US Barry has NO HONOR!

Impeach Obama 2012!

"We do not merely destroy our enemies; we change them." ~George Orwell, 1984

Gotnorice

Am I really the only one who doesn't care where these guys put their dicks as long as they are good at their JOBS?

I don't feel like what goes on in their personal lives is even any of our business...

Men have loose lips when sex is involved so those in high positions with classified information should abstain.

Orwell is laughing in his grave.

This isn't about Sex this is about the search for the truth. And the administration failed Foreign Policy the ship is about to hit the iceberg I hope they all go down and drown in there lies.

military people and politicians know the problem of ignoring history... they've all seen it bring down other people.

Nader is one of the few that didn't get duped!

If you don't make yourself vulnerable, you have nothing to worry about. But if you do, watch out! The chickens always come home to roost.

N. Serling

I believe obama is purging his top commanders so he can put in place those that will be loyal to him and his plans.

JimN-

Unless they are intercepted by the Fox

Agreed shameful though.

Thank God we don't live by Shiria Law!

Inappropriate communications has nothing to do with what is in their pants. If something down there communicates, he's got bigger problems.

Were these people fighting wars in Iraq and Afghanistan or doing e-mail battles with some ladies?

Ahhhh, but the sweet smell and allure of women can tempt a man so, and while they lie in wait privily, they seek and to destroy the precious life.

Conquerors and generals in the past were allowed to have all the sex and wealth they could get. That was their reward. When America conquered Iraq under Bush II generals would have had the first choice and all of the troops would have been able to take any woman and wealth they could get their hands on also. Things have changed now you just get your paycheck, benefits and maybe a news article. Any sex and wealth taking that still goes on is hidden. We are just too civilized but eventually the animal comes out in all of us, just give us enough rope.

Just so you know they watch your email too ;)

Anyhow this whole thing is a waste of time, but its the only news right now really so it will be the story till something else big happens.

I believe obama is purging his top commanders so he can put in place those that will be loyal to him and his plans.

Times,

do you know anyone who's serving in the military? Even if your somewhat paranoid view were to prove out, Obama loyalists in the military would have few people to lead. I know a LOT of active military folks, and vets for that matter. They despise him and hold him in contempt; a lot of them view him as the kind of "...enemy, foreign OR domestic..." that they are sworn to protect the country from.

Keep in mind also it's difficult to establish a police state without the police. The structure doesn't exist in this country for Obama to establish some sort of SA or Brownshirts. The police we have serving now are largely quite disgusted with him because of what he said about the cops who handled the Cambridge Professor case in '09.

That is why Senator fienstien is investigating this behavior from Petraus to Cantor. Heads will roll.

Last time I looked, it wasn't illegal to have an affair. No laws were broken in the Petraeus matter, so tell me what the predicate was that launched the investigation.

If I go to the FBI and complain about someone I don't like will they investigate their email too?

I'm wanting to know the predicate for the investigation of Allen. What is "inappropriate" mean? Were there any laws broken? If not, FBI, stop going through peoples private email.

I believe the investigation that lead to Petraeus's downfall was because his mistress sent threatening e-mails to the other woman. Since he is the head of the CIA such relationships are a threat to National Security. The fact this woman is seen speaking to the press about things the Senate Intelligence Committee didn't know about being a good example of loose lips.

As to Allen as I understand (not sure, someone correct me) that according to Military Standards Adultery is illegal. Probably for the same reasons.

On adultery in the military:

"Whether or not the military will prosecute adultery as an offense under the UCMJ depends upon the exact circumstances. In short, the particular circumstances of the case must be shown to be "prejudicial to good order and discipline," or "of a nature to bring discredit upon the armed forces."

In addition to these "elements of proof," adultery is one of the hardest offenses to prove. The prosecution must prove sexual intercourse, which usually means they must have a confession or photos. The mere fact that two people are living together is not sufficient to prove sexual intercourse."

Obviously it's difficult to prove, and then what would "prejudicial to good order" be? Or "discredit" upon the arm forces?

http://usmilitary.about.com/od/justicelawlegislation/f/faqadultery.htm

JOregon - loose lips and swinging hips

I suspect that the FBI did not pass this stuff on to the White House or to a Congressional Committee because they were certain that someone would blab. Now the FBI have the 'problem' that they will not be able to get to the bottom of it (sorry about the pun) without political grandstanding. For sure a number of careers and marriages have gone up in smoke and THAT is just very sad.

I guess generals should take a page from street dealers and start using burn phones to talk to their mistresses.

Psst Mary Jones-1616541 didn't you hear about "Suzanne Barr" the "long Term Relationship" Assistant to the Director Janet Napolitano & ICE Queen of the Department of Homeland Insecurity?

http://articles.nydailynews.com/2012-09-01/news/33539176_1_bathroom-at-ice-headquarters-napolitano-resignation-letter

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2186507/Janet-Napolitano-favoured-woman-long-relationship-job.html

http://www.debbieschlussel.com/53823/suzanne-barr-ice-chief-of-staff-resigns-after-firestorm-started-by-schlussel-story-buh-bye/

http://www.infowars.com/dhs-just-cant-get-it-together-suzanne-barr-resigns/

Seem kind of "Sexist" on your part to blame only "Men" for not being able to keep it in their pants...At least we haven't heard of any of these Male "Generals" forcing his subordinates into performing "Oral Sex" unlike "Suzi B"!

"We are all capable of believing things which we know to be untrue, and then, when we are finally proved wrong, impudently twisting the facts so as to show that we were right." ~George Orwell

I suspect that the FBI did not pass this stuff on to the White House or to a Congressional Committee because they were certain that someone would blab.

Actually I was speaking about the fact Broadwell knew information on Libya that the Senate Intelligence Committee did not. That is one reason the committee wants to talk to Petraeus.

From CNN:

One specific national security concern deals with whether Paula Broadwell, the woman with whom Petraeus had an affair, was privy to classified information. In a speech at the end of October, Broadwell suggested the terrorist attack on the U.S. Consulate in Benghazi, Libya, took place because the U.S. was housing Libyan prisoners there -- a theory, she noted at the time, that had not been vetted yet.

"I do not know how she got that information," Feinstein said. "We should find out." The claim by Broadwell has since been discounted by administration officials.

Personally I think we Americans make to much of a big deal about peoples sex lives, but the security issue seems to be real.

I'm not standing up for Obama, just the facts. Who cut Embassy spending? You're going to see a lot more failed policies but they won't be the President's Policies they will fail because there's no more money to support them. Whose faults that? I believe it is those that use loopholes and tax cuts to get out of paying their fair share.

Hillary ought to go first! It seems she is going to join Netanyahus in her dances! You see: Hillary has to prepare for 2016 Presidential battles!

Looking into how these top military and intelligence commanders have conducted themselves, 2003 Iraqi war and 2001 Afghan war have become good case studies for how not fight wars!!!!!

Bush, Jr and many of his top political advisors could not locate Iraq and or Afghanistan on the map!

Many poor soldiers died and injured on the war fronts. They and their families are the biggest losers in battles of idiots/greedy at the top!

They knew how to count oil monies!!!!

I'll be the first to admit that it's been awhile since I was active duty, but can someone please explain to me how this "unpaid social liaison" role that Jill Kelley was playing in Florida (MacDill AFB?) permitted her regular access to officers of this rank? I don't recall such a position even existing before, except within the context of the Officers' Wives Club, an organization that used to be focused on the welfare and well-being of the junior enlisted members' families. (Does the OWC even still exist??) But neither Broadwell (an officer herself) nor Kelley are married to military members, so unless things have dramatically changed, they wouldn't be members of the OWC. And even if Kelly WAS a member of the OWC or participated in some capacity, she still shouldn't be interacting that regularly with operational commanders. I realize the military is a tightly-knit community, but something is really strange here.

Given enough dots, it is starting to look like an examination of the military culture from the top down may be in order.

Okay then. So LET'S REOPEN the INVESTIGATION INTO 9-11 and find out what Gerrgie Boy and Dickey Doo really knew.This is vital since 3000 AMERICANS were KILLED on AMERICAN SOIL!!!

Let me repeat...3000 AMERICANS KILLED ON AMERICAN SOIL.

This happened under BUSH & CHENEY's WATCH...NEVER FORGET!

Trolling, trolling.....................

Leon Panetta Head of Defence was asked,did you know about Petreus ? He responded "I dont know the answer to that". . .So Secretary of defense know's??.What exactly?? Obama had them trade jobs. .Obama put .Panetta in Petraeus job and vice versa. . .Obama Put Petraeus in the Defence position all while he knew about the affair while he was still General and being vetted,Well they never vetted Obama either sooooo why should we be surprised by any of this ? Maybe blackmail and a perfect scapegoat....The first scapegoat failed(the video) to work but this. . It's just like when Clinton wAs caught playing peekaboo with our national security and instead of the media focusing on the real issue Treason,Instead of the focus being on Clinton's Criminal behavior, we had to listen to his lies about one of his several sexual conquests,because of the medias fixation with sex,anyone who will cheat on his life partner,has no moral compass and shows a complete disregard for loyalty of any kind.Now that Obama is looking down the Rabbit hole of his biggest incompetence that at the very least..killed 4 of our Countrymen or the worst criminal disregard of American lives (watching in real time by him and or his appointed circus of an incompetent Administration that he placed)and its all being overshadowed by these scandals,and everyday more and more of the people involved that have the first hand knowledge of Benghazi are being torn down along with their creditability,so who is going to believe them now? Obama is a very clever,sneaky,snake and ya gotta give him his Props for being the most UN-Transparent and yet most revealing ( anyone with half a brain can see he is untruthful at best)President in History.
And instead of the O supporters asking real questions of this administrations they just keep bringing up Bush, Cheney and any other Republican they can think of.If you really want blood Im sure Obama would be more than happy to give you what you want,and Im quite sure if he could he would prosecute them,but the proof just doesn't exist,the lies propagated by the left has only shown to what degree they hate and will go to destroy anyone they disagree with,but it doesn't make it true just because the left and the media repeats it over and over,As much as the left hates Bush they just haven't been able to charge him in a court of law because the Propaganda against him is just that. . .Propaganda.Now saying that, was he perfect ? I don't believe any President is without blame,but Obama is what our Founding Fathers warned us about,a dictator that hates what this Country stands for is dangerous for this US of America,If he indeed doesn't know what the hell is going on then he is a terrible judge of character and he has put incompetent people in charge of keeping him abreast of the Security of this Country and that's giving him the benefit of the doubt and he needs to clean house and get people that can let him know what's going on before we have a nuke aimed at us and his excuse is Nobody told me...lame excuse and a deadly one for America.

You need to learn how to keep your mouth closed. All the CRAZY comes out when you open it.

Because your posts are Sanity ? Don't let the cover-up blind you Charlie

Maybe . . . because of broken relationships, fear of pillow talk getting out and families getting devastated, the former General, now CIA director was a taste distracted. Ya think? Oh . . . one more . . . getting caught.

I think the paranoid people are out to get me. Republicans are so desperate for a scandal. I guess they forgot about the republican senator picking up other men in a rail station bathroom and then saying. "I'm not gay, I have never been gay". I guess it's only a scandal when dems are in office lol

Pretty scarey alternate reality you live in. Paranoid schizophrenia is a very serious illness, as you well know. Time to check yourself back in.

Put on your tinfoil hat and go back in your Faraday Cage, cjc3593!

Give me a break. when he's out he has even more ability to do that, not less.

Hey Benghazi nuts...NEVER FORGET 9-11 happened under Bush & Cheney's WATCH....DICKHEADS!

Bwahahahahahah....

cjc, are you a moron? Petraeus had his affair long before Bengazi. Do you thing Obama engineered the affair long ago in anticipation of Bengazi? What gain would Obama have from allowing Bengazi to happen. Would he not have gotten a tremendous boost if he had somehow stopped the Bengazi from happening?

Bush and Cheney helped engineer 9/11, along with the CIA and the Mossad. The crazies need a CIA head who will be complicit in another false flag attack. The 2 women were part of a honey trap to force Petraeus out, just as Lewinsky was a honey trap for Bill Clinton. In both cases, the women initiated the affairs. Pauls's maiden name is Kranz.

RalphH: her maiden name is Kranz.... must be the Germans involved. So this entire thing was to set up Allen so that someone else would be put in charge of the Allied Forces in Europe....

You can read all about in "The polka-dot briefs" (soon to be a movie starring Julia Roberts.)

NEEEEROO fiddled >>> WHILE ROME (USA of Meheeeeco) BURNED!!! (THEN & THEN &THENNNNN THEEEEY BLAMED IT ON EEEEACH OTHER TOO, uno!!! Hilllluuuurrrrryeee, n' Hairrrryeee, n' Nanseeee n' polosssieeee, etc.

Give up on Benghazi. A republican, decorated general would never help a democratic president cover up anything. He just cheated with the wrong woman and got caught so did the right thing, he resigned. Petraeus will still testify about Benghazi. If you remember in the first few hours of the 911 attack, people weren't sure what happened and who was behind it. The facts came later. Just because the president could read the minds of terrorist and prevent this attack or tell us exactly what happened, people are losing their minds. There is no conspiracy, the GOP (especially Fox News) is so made that an election was lost that they are trying to find a way to smear Obama.

This is probably part of Defense Spending cutbacks. It will be back to the waterfront hookers, the girls in the green, pink, and blond wigs with the Go Go Boots, fishnet hose and enough lipstick to paint the port quarter of a heavy cruiser.

To times-running-out; It's about time! Good for Obama! This has been needed for a long time, but I doubt that it will catch enough of the bad actors.

HOPE it comes bakkkk to bie OBEEEEE n' hizzz CZARRRZ in their assezz!!!

Bwahahahahah...

alicia-2274282

Just go on believing that.

I'm with Alicia. Much ado about personal affairs. Don't care. Many more important things to think about. Don't worry all you repubs, everyone will be questioned about Benghazi. That has already been established. On another note, did you all read the article about people getting dumber? That certainly could be proven in some of the responses in this vine.

inappropriate communications is not cheating.

When we simply excuse the most senior level leaders of our government and military for their bad behavior, then you are right, it's the end. or it might as well be. They will be the first to hold their subordinates accountable for their behavior, and will be the first to tell you that they should live their lives at a higher standard. So, what's wrong with holding thier feet to the fire that they themselves have set?

So why is Bill Clinton such a poster boy for the Democratic party? You took the argument in that direction. Former generals, former presidents, which rank had more power?

Lord P - I don't speak for the Democratic Party. But I think a key word in your question is "former." First of all, retired Generals are never "former." They remain under the restrictions of the Uniform Code of Military Justice, even in retirement. Secondly, he may be a retired General, but he was the current serving Director of the CIA. And if GEN Allen has his hands dirty, it's relevant because he is the current serving Commander of US and NATO troops in Afghanistan. Both were (GEN Allen still is) in positions of great authority and responsibility, both sworn to uphold standards of personal behavior above reproach. I have no problem holding them to that. Neither would expect any less. I have served with both of them.

Thanks JimN... I learned something new. I didn't realize that "retired members of a regular component of the armed forces who are entitled to pay" are still subject to the UCMJ. I'm not sure that is the exact wording of the article of conduct that applies, but it was the one that I could find. In many ways that makes a lot of sense, but wow! That's like signing the rest of your life away if you do decide to go through the ranks as far as being eligible for retirement. I would imagine that this article is rarely enforced, except in cases like this.

I was aware that as a retired member of the military you can be recalled

up to a certain age, but as for being subject to the UCMJ while retired and

no longer in the military, I would need concrete proof of that. Up to about

20 years ago the military reserves were only subject to the UCMJ while

on active duty orders, and then only after they had signed a statement

to that effect. As for the General. He should have known better than to

think that while in such a high position his life would not be under

the microscope. Conduct has to be impecable at all times.

The penaltie for what Petraus has admitted to include a maximum of one year in jail. He is getting a get out of jail free card.

The odds of a military court being empaneled to charge someone who is already retired with a fairly minor crime, particularly when no one has shown that it impacted the military in a negative manner while he was on active duty are very low.

For adultery to be a crime, it has to negatively impact the military - most crimes in the UCMJ are based on how they impact the performance of the mission, not the actual act itself.

You need to stay off Facebook,,, whoops,,, too late.

"I was just doing what I was told" did not work at the Nuremberg trials either.

You are responsible for your actions and can be held accountable for failure to follow the law.

NOW the JAG office has your confession.

Don't worry about the knock on the door, just move back from the keyboard, place your hands on top of your head and turn slowly around.

DO NOT make any sudden moves.

what do you expect, what with us legislating integrity and morals out of our laws. the democrat party's main platform is now one of eroding moral values.

disaptvet,

Democrats, alone, are not to blame. Both parties and the members are. If we have to rely upon our government to make us moral and instill integrity... we are doomed and I hope our end comes quickly. Government needs to take steps to lessen their involvement & increase parenting responsibilities of the parents. Quit paying parents for having children the parents can't afford.

People in this country need to demand better from our leaders. We have a right to honesty, integrity and moral behavior from them. Anything violating these mandates should be an outrage to us all .. not just from the opposite party.

No, both parties are to blame, but only the democrat party has eroding morals and values as their basic platorm they run on. it's different to have people in your organization that have poor morals, every organization does, but to come out and say this is the basis of who we are and what we believe, that is completely different. that is saying you not only condone it but your encourage it.

I dont really think that its because Amercans are too politicized. The problem is that the government is too corporationized. It doesn't really matter what party the masses vote for. Both are bought and paid for the elite rich and corporations that will shift their donations each election to whoever and whatever party they can buy. Obviously some will win and others will lose each election... but the real losers are the majority of the American public whose voice is never heard above the wealthy and corporately owned government.

It may sound like conspiracy theory, but if you actually look at who funds the candidates and who actually writes the bills... don't sound so much like a conspiracy anymore.

Seriously REPUBLICAN General Petraeus has an affair and this is because of some so called "eroding morals and values" platform from the DEMOCRATS?. You republican apologists need to stop whining and take personal responsibility for yourselves and your party or you will continue to lose lose lose.

disaptvet & Frozen

You both are my point, personified.

People who try to attack / excuse / point out problems based upon party lines are the real culprits.

hey disaptvet, why is it that so many of the political sex scandals involve republicans if the dems are the ones promoting "eroding values". Mark Foley and Larry Craig say hello.

How quickly people forget how the Republicans were SALIVATING to have Petraeus run for President in 2008.

As has often been said, "You can't legislate morality."

Just as has been proven over and over, those who often decry the immorality of others fail to deal with their own, so it is in this situation.

I find the ultimate irony in the interview on the Today show of the poster boy for Republican adultery, Newt Gingrich.

Judy--

Let this run its course. There could be more here than the affair, and because we are discussing our foreign involvement in very "desperate" parts of the world, we need to know. This investigation now is not about who "sinned" but about potential cracks in the armor of the greatest military power in the world. No one is investigating the affair which is ancillary to the real question--has security been compromised and do we need to examine military management strategies. If our military and secret service and CIA are all operating without regard/respect for leadership from the commander-in-chief and state department, you have the recipe for chaotic disorganized approach to global issues. This may affect your life, and it may not, but let's find out--nothing wrong with that.

Judy,

I am tired of people in high places lacking integrity, honesty and moral fiber. I'm also tired of citizens being accepting of such behavior.

How can we hope for a better country if our leaders / heroes / role models are so lacking?

So we remove someone from their posistion because of "eroding morals"? I thought this country was accepting the "anything goes" value system. Must be because there was a disagreement in policy or because somebody has the knowledge of a scandal that will affect the power brokers in D.C. We cant have it both ways, either we legislate morals or we dont. It all seems a little too conveinant at this point of the investigation/recent election/extra marital affairs.

Traffic-fanatic--

I'm also tired of citizens being accepting of such behavior.

I don't think very many are ACCEPTING this behavior, but putting it into perspective.

Humans can disappoint, but they all have value.

United We stand,

There are many posts either defending or attacking Petraeus based upon party lines....

I'm not condemning the man... but his actions shouldn't be accepted nor defended. People do accept his behavior - based upon political views.

Benghazi, for instance, is being politicized. People were killed - the government wasn't very forthright with facts. While Obama is president, I don't fault just him for the attack or occurrences afterward. I fault the entire country. People should be enraged about the attack - not squabbling over possible cover ups, etc. People should be demanding the truth no matter what party is in congress or the whitehouse. But .. the truth doesn't seem as important as saving political face.

I mention Benghazi only because it's current. There are plenty of examples , both republican & democrat, that the American people have allowed / participated incidents to be turned into political footballs.

Let's hope not.

Jack, While I don't suggest nor do I think he is going to; I swear, if Obama were to suspend the Constitution tomorrow and declare martial law throughout the land, the Obama apologists around here would blame it on Bush and Boehner and label any critics as traitors.

"The price of liberty is eternal vigilance". If we are to remain free it is imperative that the people harbor a healthy mistrust of their government. We have given the government virtually unlimited power, held in check by only the words on a piece of paper. Subjecting the government to a bit of scrutiny and "whatcha doin'" every once in a while is a small price to pay for them being able to redistribute our wealth, electronically invade our homes, arrest and hold us indefinitely with neither warrant nor probable cause and have a pension for life after only serving the people for 2 years.

joemike404

I agree. But for some it won't matter either way, they just want thier milk and cookies to keep coming.

P.S. are you from VT?

Sumy / Times 2016 :) I'd vote for you. You both "get it."

Times - Not from VT, but have been skiing there.

Joemike404,
You are absolutely correct ,Im tired of hearing because people question Obama and or the rest of the suits in charge,that they hate and are stupid, looney,and racist,sure there are all kinds of people out there,and I believe most are pretty good,And we all have a right to our opinion,When kids in school do this its called bulling,If someone doesn't care to ask questions and demand answers from our Employee ( Government) then fine,but there are an awful lot of people that do care and cared when other party's where in Office also,this blind trust or love for any Party Man or Woman is not wise,I tend to have the same views in at least one or two issues in several of the Party's ,so I really don't claim one except Some issues happen to be to the middle or right ,but that doesn't make me selfish or evil,Im a people person and I give to those that are in need,and married outside my race,Im a union member,I believe there is a place for them but the over the barrel Power is ridiculous,I just want an Accountable Government for the American People,We can all only benefit from COMPLETE TRANSPARENCY,and we are not getting that and if we didn't demand it before,which I know I wanted it(how would any of us benefit from 9/11 if indeed Bush knew,If there were proof he would and should be charged) Then How About We All demand it now before it is too late,This Government with All its Power we have given them over us,if it goes unchecked will turn against its people.

naked torso is with a shirt off....something you can see at the beach...walking down the street....any magazine at the checkout counter.....in the newspaper......

It was about to become THE OCTOBER SURPRISE EXCEPT Cantor realized that Petreaus was Bush's guy first -- (The Surge and all that) and that it might end very badly for Cantor displaying his out of chain of command/buddy in the FBI thingy!~

I'd have to wonder when they actually do their job? Maybe this is why the intelligence community misses so much.

R. Scalzo

Too much time e-mailing the hottie and ignoring those pesky "urgent" ones.

Ayup! Why was Cantor involved in this before the CiC?

Fienstien will have a field day picking apart these republicon hacks.

Coverup of WHAT?!?!??!

The Media in on it? So what else is new?

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Not sure this will reveal Obama administration "dark corners" so much as lack of management ability coupled with lack of respect for the white house from the military and govt agencies. I don't think the President knows where the dark corners are--a decent community organizer but not a very good organizer of the executive branch of the US federal government.

sndvl,

As has been stated in the news, she contacted an FBI agent who is a friend of hers about the emails. He started the investigation. His superiors were told/found out and didn't like that he had handled it this way, so he was taken off the case. He had reportedly sent shirtless pictures of himself to her in the past, so seems like a personal relationship and he shouldn't have handled her case this way. He didn't think things were happening with the investigation (since he was out of the loop) and contacted Cantor, the Republican (and another Republican was told). Cantor informed the FBI he had been contacted.

Don't let your paranoia get the best of you!

Jill Kelley asked a friend to try to find out who was sending her threatening emails. She probably thought he would keep everything in confidence. Press a couple of keys on the computer, find the IP address, look it up and tell her from whose accounts the emails came from. She probably thought it was that simple, she just asked a friend who has a crush on her for a favor, it blew up in her face.

She is just an attractive woman who hosted parties for the high military brass and had a lot of important contacts. Being good looking is an asset in the army, the wives of the high ranking generals are usually frumpy and the generals are still men who needed attention. There is no conspiracy here or a witch hunt. The FBI just stumbled upon this mess, I bet they never thought a man with Petraeus' reputation would have an affair with his biographer. There may have been suspicions but a man with Petraeus reputation and accomplishments get a pass because people think that they know better.

I bet a lot more will come out and other people will be affected by this investigation. The career and livelihood of a lot more people will be destroyed by this story. Both women will be black balled and won't be able to make money in the military. From Jill Kelley's appearance and the amount of plastic surgery she had done, she also looks like an woman who needs attention. The attention from these generals were a big boost to her ego and all she had to do was feed their ego.

SHE was not the Commanding General of the International Security Assistance Force, SHE was not the Commanding General of US CENTCOM, SHE was not the Director of the CIA. I think the standards of judgement and behavior are just a little higher for people holding those positions.

Doesn't matter how much she makes. She's going to need it for legal fees.

She was not the POTUS.....but as a reservist and one who holds a security clearance, she will be susceptible to some punishments/consequences.

Just Another:

I give you credit for your honest opinion

I agree. Broadwell is no innocent victim in all this. She's obviously very happy to be on all the talk shows after having just published her first book. Funny that Patraeus selected her to write his biography even though she never written one before. Notice the title has new meaning after the sex scandal.

"All In: The Education of General Petraeus".

Again, nobody's fault but his own. As the head of the CIA, he shouldn't ever put himself in such a compromising position. Broadwell could have been a deep undercover agent. He did the right thing by turning in his resignation to the president. I respect him for accepting the consequences and personal responsibility for his own actions.

Petraeus is a man first and he was being a man when he had an affair with an attractive woman. She spent a lot of time with him and an affair is not uncommon in a situation like this. The person responsible for ending in career in disgrace is Petraeus, he had control over his action but chose not to.

I was in a situation like this one, my husband had an affair with a woman at work who then acted psychotic when he tried to end the affair. He had to keep the affair going because the threatened to go to his boss. If he was found to have an affair with a subordinate, he would lose his job because this woman worked for him. This woman made our life hell for a year or so. Finally he told her do whatever you want and had to get her husband involved in order to stop the madness. I was never upset at this woman because my husband was the one who should have used better judgement, he put his job and his family in jeopardy over a pretty face and new tail. This woman was also upset when he moved on to the next woman and called me to tell me about it. She threatened the woman and did similar things. So men, if you are going to check, choose carefully. Crazy women might be fun and exciting but they can screw your whole life up.

Yes...America just didn't vote for it.

LOL, Sumy42, I am sure you know that the general Petraeus is certainly not a democrat.

LOL! A Democrat is investigating a bunch of republicons frpm Petraus to Cantor over morals. Chew on that for a while.

The investigation is over security breaches, not morals. Also, the army has a clear code of conduct, I bet Petraeus and Allen fired plenty of men and women over affairs. They are commanders whose behavior and character should be beyond reproach. There is a reason they fat salaries and a fat retirement package, they are an example to all the men and women in the military.

Dude

I stand corrected, It's still early here (or late depending on your perspective) and perhaps I imbibed in a little too much national liquor of Costa Rica, guaro, last night.

Thanks for keepin me in check.

ALOHA

and girls. she is a female.

Amazing how these people become relevant only because they look good.Volunteer military laison? WTF?...Truly "the power of the fur"...I feel sorry for all of their kids.

I believe Ms. Kelley lives on Bayshore drive in TAmpa. She is well connected in the civilian portin of town and worked closely with CENTCOM on civ/mil relations in the Tampastan area. I think the fact that she happens to not be ugly is ancilliary to this case; she is not the one who had any type of physical relationship with anyone but her husband.

Point well taken..But do we know that for sure?.That she's not physically involved?.I'm not sure with the General Allen story breaking

she was the liason for the local community with CENTCOM. Her family has a relationship with the Petraeus'. Allen worked for Petraeus as his deputy. Allen is being accused of providing information in emails to Kelley that he should not have. They have said they do not suspect any type of relationship between the two of them. The releasing of information she had no business seeing is enough to get him in trouble.

Days of our Lives is what this soap opera has become. This kind of mess has been going on for years. Before the Obama Administration. Before both Bushes. Before Clinton. Before Reagan. Before Carter and Nixon. During every Presidential term this kind of crap has been going on. You know when you open the Bible and it goes "... begat ... and ... begat ...". There was a lot of begatting and the begatting will continue on. For every man's downfall is a woman behind it. Now ladies, you know you are married, that's what you wanted to be, couldn't wait to get that ring, the house with the white picket fence, the perfect husband and you go out and mess with someone else's property. To the men, if you would just stay focused on what you are suppose to do then no tramp can come between you and your wife. You wanted her, you wanted to make her your wife, she helped you, she raised you snotty nosed kids while you rode on the horse, swam the widest ocean and the deepest sea, crossed the skies like a bird, soared in rank and wore stars as bright as the night. If only we as humans could refrain from wanting what is on the other side of the fence/net/ocean/sea/river/mountain/highway, etc. we could fail with that male or female by ourselves. Do you really need help? By the way, those two women are not what you call "Victoria Secret" material and I'm just saying that I could see if they were knock out gorgeous with brains, but my goodness. What a bunch of nightmares all of them.

The women are not Victoria's secret material but they are attractive and in their 40's, these men are 60 and over. To them, the attention of a younger, attractive woman becomes almost addictive, the flirting and the attention is something they haven't had in their own marriages for many years and this kind of thing goes on all the time. A lot of powerful men are brought down by their own need for validation and attention.

Ruth... so much for your assessment of the men. I get it.

What about the women? Are you suggesting its only the general's fault?

the general probably hurt her feelings.