Police: Arizona woman runs down husband with car for not voting

Arizona police say a pregnant woman ran over her husband with the family car because she was angry he didn't vote. KPNX's Oralia Ortega reports.

An Arizona woman, in despair at the re-election of Democratic President Barack Obama, ran down her husband with the family car in suburban Phoenix on Saturday because he failed to vote in the election, police said on Monday.

Holly Solomon, 28, was arrested after running over husband Daniel Solomon following a wild chase that left him pinned underneath the vehicle.

Daniel Solomon, 36, was in critical condition at a local hospital, but is expected to survive, Gilbert police spokesman Sergeant Jesse Sanger said.


Police said Daniel Solomon told them his wife became angry over his "lack of voter participation" in last Tuesday's presidential election and believed her family would face hardship as a result of Obama winning another term. 

Witnesses reported the argument broke out on Saturday morning in a parking lot and escalated. Holly Solomon then chased her husband around the lot with the car, yelling at him as he tried to hide behind a light pole, police said. He was struck after attempting to flee to a nearby street.

Obama won the national election with 332 electoral votes compared with 206 for Republican challenger Mitt Romney. Arizona's 11 electoral votes were won by Romney. 

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I would say this woman has some really serious issues that have nothing to do with politics. Then again some people get really worked up over politics,becoming consumed with such hostility, rage and extreme belligerence towards any who don't agree with all their political views. We can see definitely imagine those folks ready to kill anyone who don't think the same, let alone voting alike. We passed being tolerant and civilized towards others beliefs and opinions ages ago.

  • 178 votes
#1 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 9:38 AM EST

I agree that I do not think that this really had anything to do with him not voting, or even politics in general. I mean after all, Romney won the state so it is not like his not voting made any difference. I think that this woman is just mentally unbalanced and this was as good of an excuse as any for trying to kill her husband. I doubt we will ever know the real reason she tried to kill him.

  • 97 votes
#1.1 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 9:53 AM EST
Comment author avatarIXLR8Expand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

I don't want to re-hash this but this is your typical Romney supporter. She also failed to realize that Mitt got run over by the Electoral Votes saying resoundly no to his old failed plans.

The GOP and it's followers are generally mentally defective. Hopefully this woman gets the help she needs.

  • 141 votes
#1.2 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 9:59 AM EST
Comment author avatarRTyp0Expand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

Good grief .. and I thought it was supposed to be us left wingers that were the "loons". Are they sure she's not related to Jan Brewer some how?

  • 119 votes
#1.3 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 10:00 AM EST
Comment author avatardongwork4yudaExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

republicans have major mental issues...

please secede from the human race

  • 99 votes
#1.4 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 10:01 AM EST

Sounds like this women is about as stable as Charles Manson. Since when is running people over with a car a viable solution?

  • 52 votes
#1.5 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 10:11 AM EST
Comment author avatarShosynExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

I don't want to re-hash this but this is your typical Romney supporter. She also failed to realize that Mitt got run over by the Electoral Votes saying resoundly no to his old failed plans.

The GOP and it's followers are generally mentally defective. Hopefully this woman gets the help she needs.

and...

dongwork4yuda

republicans have major mental issues...

please secede from the human race

We have a TWO party system for a reason... if you want ONE party move to CHINA you partisan hacks...

Ever hear of untied we stand, divided we fall??

I agree there is more to this then voting.... oh by the way ...over 2/3rds of AMERICA did NOT vote... that is over 220 million people...and of the blacks who voted, 90%+ voted for Obama. (racially voting is such a good way to vote)

Lets not forget also that those who figure out to vote themselves a check WILL DO SO ALWAYS.

Good luck with those numbers. Partisan hacks in both parties ARE the problem...

This woman obviously has issues with her husband beyond voting. THIS IS A PROPAGANDA PIECE FROM THE MEDIA INFOTAINMENT TABLOID WORLD

  • 42 votes
#1.6 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 10:11 AM EST

This woman was not playing with a full deck to begin with, She is need of some type of help. She now has no husband or a free life, oh and she thinks its all Obama's fault. Yep he made her crazy!!!!

  • 64 votes
#1.7 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 10:12 AM EST
Comment author avatarDAWG POUNDExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

IXLR8

I don't want to re-hash this but this is your typical Romney supporter. She also failed to realize that Mitt got run over by the Electoral Votes saying resoundly no to his old failed plans.

The GOP and it's followers are generally mentally defective. Hopefully this woman gets the help she needs.

LMAO! What a moronic statement! I'm a recovering Democrat turned Independent and I can see the sheer stupidity in this statement.

You guys have everyone from the 1 percenters with their learjets and masons on one hand then the trailer park trash as described in this story on the other hand as both typical Romney supporters.

Left wing extremism is no batter than right wing extremism! You're both fruit cakes!

  • 39 votes
#1.8 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 10:15 AM EST

@1.6

...untied we stand...

If I ever get untied, I'm going to run for it, not stand.

  • 73 votes
#1.9 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 10:21 AM EST
Comment author avatarDocHolliday-2979123Expand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

Repubs, stop the inbreeding...

You might have a chance!

  • 35 votes
#1.10 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 10:26 AM EST

I would like to know where these idiots were in 2000???? The U.S. Supreme court stopped a recount vote in Florida that in the end would have elected the RIGHTFUL winner... The supreme court handed the election to George W. Bush screwing Al Gore in the process. They unofficially counted all the votes and Gore won Florida by more than 500 votes. Should democrats have rioted in the streets and that? They would have had every right to! But yet you didnt see people acting like this, being idiots, threatening to secede from the union and all this crap and Obama won the electoral college as well as the pop vote. How childish!

  • 114 votes
#1.11 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 10:29 AM EST
Comment author avatarSeven2SevenExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

"I'm a recovering Democrat turned Independent"??? So Dawg Pound, that means you are an undecided loser and probably a Ron Paul undertaker fan?? What a joke "independents" are which generally means not smart enough to understand the issues and make a choice. LOL to you DAWG........

  • 20 votes
#1.12 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 10:30 AM EST
Comment author avatarno more filbertExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

Actually Jester, there were threats against Bush's life. People threatened to leave the country to Canada in Droves. Major protests were around the entire nation. So yes, Jester, they did. And guess what, people, 12 years later, still bring it up.

  • 22 votes
#1.13 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 10:36 AM EST

Honestly all, on a day-to-day basis, your lives aren't going to change perceptibly with either Obama or Romney as president. Chill the f out.

  • 68 votes
#1.14 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 10:39 AM EST
Comment author avatarSandy, MissouriExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

Sounds like a typical Conservative to me.

Anyone remember the study released in the UK earlier this year about how they scanned the brains of Conservatives and Liberals. They found our that the FEAR centers in conservative brains are more than TWICE the size of liberals. That would explain why they are all so damned scared of EVERYTHING and wanting to control everything.

  • 57 votes
#1.15 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 10:39 AM EST

I think she is on to something. If this was the penalty for not voting I bet more people would vote. Then again she might just be on something.

  • 19 votes
#1.16 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 10:41 AM EST

Looks like the joke is on you, seven.

  • 7 votes
#1.17 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 10:44 AM EST

That would explain why they are all so damned scared of EVERYTHING

especially male florists and girls.

  • 25 votes
#1.18 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 10:50 AM EST
Comment author avatar420 Frees the MindExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

Only in my home state could this happen! lol This is not surprising coming from the same state that brought you SB 1070, and Americas "Toughest" sheriff.. This is a state that cares more about government passed laws than voter passed laws and I am referring to Prop 203, Medical Cannabis which the voters approved in 2010 and the Gov and AG Tom Horny ( who was just arraigned for a hit & run and leaving the scene of a non-injury crash and is also being investigated for campaign finance infractions to his mistress) and Maricopa County Attorney Bill Montgomery wants to make holding the AZMMJ card illegal and subject anyone holding the card to arrest.

Arizona is a state that is ruled by tea-bagger ideals and a Neanderthal mentality.

  • 49 votes
#1.19 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 10:53 AM EST

shosyn, 220 million people didn't vote but not all of them were even able to as alot of those are children. the fist data i came across shows 25% of the US population in 2006 were under 18. it's probably still pretty close to that.

  • 14 votes
#1.20 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 10:54 AM EST

Shosyn... Whites weren't perfect either. Only 39% of whites voted for Obama. If your rational is correct then all races should vote 50/50.

  • 11 votes
#1.21 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 10:54 AM EST

Seven,

I'm an independent and I understand the issues quite well. Using stereotypical statements doesn't do much except show your position in a different light.

The reason I'm independent is I feel free to agree with pieces of all parties as I'm not bound to one party's philosophies over another. I don't feel guilt of voting across any party lines as I vote for the person, not the party. I encourage more people to vote their free will and not just because they are D or R.

I don't believe in fiscal conservatism, but I do believe in fiscal responsibility. I do believe in some entitlements for people who really need them. I also believe the core of government should be to create and enforce the rules and let free markets do the bulk of the work. The problem with free markets is people are free to cheat, steal and rob from others and that's where the government should step in (like a true big brother).

I think most people would believe in these principles, but unfortunately we are so divided and polarized that you can't get elected unless you promise what the bulk of the masses want even if that may be the wrong thing to do.

Peace to you and yours.

  • 51 votes
#1.22 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 11:00 AM EST
Comment author avatarBILL WASHINGTONExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

"recovering Democrats" and 'one time Republicans' turned independents are just afraid of standing for their values, and don't want to be labeled as "wrong" when they lose. They flip back and forth as the wind blows and cannot make up their mind or stick to their convictions.

Face it, the entire political spectrum has moved so far to the right that even the President is governing as a moderate Republican

The Whackos like this woman have been shoved so far to the right by Limbaugh and Beck and Hannity that their sense of reality has been destroyed. Even those guys don't believe tha crap they spew, they just make money from it. They are feeding the inner Bigot in low intelligence white trash everywhere.

When will we do something about these Jack-a$$es that make millions off whipping the stupid into a rabid, mouth-foaming frenzy?

  • 36 votes
#1.23 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 11:01 AM EST

This lady should have ran Romney's campaign.

  • 9 votes
#1.24 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 11:02 AM EST
Comment author avatarMax^108Expand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

Lord have mercy on all those Republican fanatics...

  • 17 votes
#1.25 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 11:03 AM EST

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah....................TH-TH-Th-Th-Th- that's all folks.

  • 7 votes
#1.26 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 11:06 AM EST
Comment author avatarJo Ann-666954Expand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

The owners of Walmart, who supported Obama, are raising the health insurance premiums on their employees beginning in 2013. The employees interviewed mentioned they will drop their health insurance because they cannot afford it.

Listen to what the woman's reason for doing what she did. She was worried about her family's hardship.

  • 11 votes
#1.27 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 11:07 AM EST

Tiggle - you said it much more eloquently and clearly than I would have. I just tend to refer to the party hacks as sheeple who don't have the ability to form an opinion of their own.

  • 17 votes
#1.28 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 11:07 AM EST

I agree there is more to this then voting.... oh by the way ...over 2/3rds of AMERICA did NOT vote... that is over 220 million people...and of the blacks who voted, 90%+ voted for Obama. (racially voting is such a good way to vote)

I'm sick and tired of people harping on the fact that blacks voted in overwhelming numbers to re-elect President Obama.

First, Black (African Americas, Negros, etc.) have been voting for the Democrat candidate since the passage of the Civil Rights Act in 1965. Second, and this is for you closet racists, whenever there has been a WHITE presidential candidate on the Democratic ticket, BLACKS have voted in greater than 80% for that candidate. Third, and here is the kicker; when WHITES vote in elections where a WHITE candidate is running against a BLACK candidate, and they vote in overwhelming majority for the WHITE candidate, why is that not viewed as the equivalent opposite?

When the Republicans come up with a platform that addresses the issues that appeal to the black electorate then they will begin to get the black vote. When Republicans spout hateful rhetoric, use stereotypical and "dog whistle" language to infer that blacks comprise the greater majority of welfare and food stamp recipients, that the black president is "lazy, dis-engaged, un-American", etc. how do they expect to garner the black, or any other minority, vote?

It is the lack of understanding and acceptance on the part of the Republican party hierarchy which is the root of why blacks vote for Democrats, regardless of what the race of the Democrat is.

Change your ways Republicans or destine your party to remain being view as the intolerant, misogynistic, religious extremist that is portrayed by means of the views which some of your candidates you have put forth in the 2010 and 2012 election cycles.

  • 66 votes
#1.29 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 11:08 AM EST

Shosyn:

and of the blacks who voted, 90%+ voted for Obama. (racially voting is such a good way to vote)

Your statement assumes that African Americans felt that the GOP ("Grand Olde Party" <-- quite the name there and no subtle indication at all right?) in some way represents them and they voted for Obama not out of political view, but rather racial position. I am sure that some of their votes were absolutely "racial instinct," but I suspect a whole bunch of them voted Democratic like they have in a whole bunch of elections in the past 50 years.

The problem the GOP has and based on your statement continues to have is a basic misunderstanding - you think that they vote for a handout when most minorities really do believe that you are the party of angry, white bigots. Is that fair? Well as long as the most vocal mouthpieces of the GOP continue with "legitimate rape," "birther" fears, "half of the country doesn't pay any taxes," and "deport them all" - you guys will continue to see election outcomes like this one.

Or the intelligent members of the GOP who aren't racist, bigoted, fear-mongers trying to force their fringe religious views down everyone's throats could stand up and actually talk about rational things like fiscal conservatism.

I of course will be DELIGHTFULLY SUPRISED when that happens, but I'll also probably be in a nursing home by then (or dead).

  • 32 votes
#1.30 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 11:09 AM EST

I'll bet that's some hot stuff.

  • 1 vote
#1.31 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 11:11 AM EST

@Jo Ann - She was worried about her family's hardship so she run over her own husband in response? Can a Republican woman be that dumb? Well... in that respect she makes Sarah Palin look like a rocket scientist...

  • 50 votes
#1.32 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 11:11 AM EST

Thanks Brian.

It can be really hard to develop one's own opinion when there is so much information that leads us down different paths.

I think both R's, D's and I's are right and wrong. We need to weed out the bad ideas, take the good and constructive from them all an mold it into something that is feasible and doable.

We have some very big problems to deal with as a country and bickering and pointing fingers and blaming the "others" is not going to get anything done. That's just how it is.

Now more than ever we need to work together if we want to at least try to turn this thing around.

  • 14 votes
#1.33 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 11:14 AM EST
Comment author avatarJusticeforall-3257287Expand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

This is just a Tea Party activist helping to get the vote out ! These people are crazy I tell you !

  • 17 votes
#1.34 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 11:15 AM EST

I agree there is more to this then voting.... oh by the way ...over 2/3rds of AMERICA did NOT vote... that is over 220 million people...and of the blacks who voted, 90%+ voted for Obama. (racially voting is such a good way to vote)

As long as I can remember African Americans voted primarily for the democratic candidate. But play the race card if it suits your agenda.

  • 14 votes
#1.35 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 11:15 AM EST

Hydrix - I'm sure that the thinley veiled statements amongst my peers leading up to and now post election as well as the bumper sticker of Obama in "white, red, & blue" face (looked like the Joker from Batman) that I rode behind this morning had absolutely nothing to do with racism. No, nothing at all. These nice religious white folks have no underlying fear and racism contributing to their feelings...

(As a middle-aged white guy who has had to listen to this crap from co-workers, neighbors, etc. that just assume I believe the same inane things they do, I feel pretty empowered to call those comments exactly what they are - racist.)

  • 24 votes
#1.36 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 11:20 AM EST

Jester,

Actually, in every recount, Bush won. Gore never got more votes than Bush. Libs just couldnt accept that their guy lost the election. And yes, there was rioting. Both sides are crazy.

  • 3 votes
#1.37 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 11:21 AM EST

Jo Ann...............Walmart doesn't give their employees insurance. They make them all part-timers so they don't have to. Why do Republicans always have to make sh!t up?

  • 36 votes
#1.38 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 11:23 AM EST

Remind me not to leave this woman's toilet seat up.

Gore won the popular vote in 2000...not that it really matters. Based on all the recounts and "legal" proceedings, Bush of course won the election but a majority of people who actually cast votes, voted for Gore. That is an established fact.

  • 17 votes
#1.39 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 11:24 AM EST

Mr. Burns -

Actually, it was not as clear cut as you are implying.

First the popular vote: 50,999,897 vs. 50,456,002 (Gore over Bush)

With regard to Florida, a consortium of news agencies reviewed the vote and while they indicated that if the recount had continued with Supreme Court override, Bush would have won by less than 500 votes; they also noted that when "looking at a broader group of rejected ballots than those covered in the court decisions, 175,010 in all, found that Mr. Gore might have won if the courts had ordered a full statewide recount of all the rejected ballots. This also assumes that county canvassing boards would have reached the same conclusions about the disputed ballots that the consortium's independent observers did. The findings indicate that Mr. Gore might have eked out a victory if he had pursued in court a course like the one he publicly advocated when he called on the state to ''count all the votes.'

So, your statement isn't actually inherrently accurate - the real "voted outcome" of that election will never be known - neither side actually knows who won.

  • 12 votes
#1.40 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 11:30 AM EST

When the FOX and Friends or left wing pundents take to messages of doom, some folks being dumber than other thinkers believe them. Obama may not be the best choice, at least for some, but the world will be in as much trouble and negatively affect many people the day after an election and for months and years there after regardless of who is elected.

It is childish to believe our government is anything but a puppet set up for International interests. For me, I see Romney as one of them and so my vote goes to Obama. Please don't kill me for it.

  • 7 votes
#1.41 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 11:32 AM EST

Now thats a true visionary, she has found a new way to turn a state red....

  • 2 votes
#1.42 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 11:34 AM EST

Hate to say this, but this is a standard Republican philosophy. If you don't think like me I am going to take you out. That's why Republicans go to war at the drop of a dime. They try to take away your voter rights so you can't vote against them. They try to tell you what you can do with your own body. They want more gun rights so they can have more guns available to kill with. When I talk to my own brother who is a Republican, he tries to over ride me by yelling on the phone and then hangs up when I try to state my side. They live in this bubble reality that is not of this world. So if her husband doesn't vote Republican with his given right to vote as he chooses or not vote, she is going to kill him. Yep, standard Republican mentality. Thanks God they are finally going away.

  • 35 votes
#1.43 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 11:35 AM EST

I read a bit more about this story and it turns out she was pregnant. That would probably explain her craziness or at least put it in a somewhat better light...

  • 4 votes
#1.44 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 11:36 AM EST

I am so tired of the racists like shosyn complaining about blacks voting black (90%) when I suspect the Mormon vote for Romney was about the same percentage. Nothing but tired racist crap.

  • 15 votes
#1.45 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 11:40 AM EST

Well?......what's THAT tell ya?
Instead of an admonishment for not voting, you get your Butt run down by your rabid Republican wife! Now THERE'S the Republican brainwashing machine in finely tuned order!
She doesn't have anything on Eva Braun does she! I'll bet she isn't even a millionaire!

Enjoy yourself in prison there " Peggy the Punisher !! "........what a joke...

The poor husband probably didn't even get a chance to take his apron off or finish vacuuming!

  • 11 votes
#1.46 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 11:46 AM EST

sayitanitso -

The Civil Rights Act was passed in 1964 and the facts are that Republicans supported it 80%-20% while Democrats supported it about 65% - 35%. Just sayin -

  • 3 votes
#1.47 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 11:46 AM EST

This is doubly moronic given the fact that Romney already won AZ...so her husbands lack of participation had no effect whatsoever...

  • 10 votes
#1.48 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 11:47 AM EST

Accoring to wikipedia the University of Chicago determined that Gore won Florida by 127 votes. He also won the popular vote by over half a million votes. BTW, the rioters in West Palm were proven to be paid Bush staffers.

  • 21 votes
#1.49 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 11:48 AM EST

Poor, poor, sick person...Does Obamacare cover mental illness?

  • 2 votes
#1.50 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 11:48 AM EST

The anger issues are for the most part not about Black/White or Republican/Democrat or Liberal/Conservative.. It is anger over the socialization of America by city dwellers.. Look at the way people voted on a map and you will see the divide.. Country people for the most part are fiercely independent and used to doing without all the social fluff.. Simpler homes, possessions like tech toys, cars and food for a start.. The taking of hand out for some is just unthinkable as they were taught to work for what you want and need with needs coming first.. In the city it is the opposite, the attitude seems to be take what you can and do for yourself.. They seem to always vote for more government programs that will give them more hand outs to live off of.. That's why people are signing petitions to sussed from the union even though they should know that is impossible without some kind of revolution and that's just not going to happen yet..

  • 3 votes
#1.51 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 11:49 AM EST

She's a woman who voted Republican. There's a sure sign she ain't quite right.

  • 24 votes
#1.52 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 11:52 AM EST

The vehement and hate driven animosity, comprised of allegations, insinuations, omissions, half truths, outright lies, and out of context proclamations that engineers of political campaigns present to the voting public as fact, create sociological divisions. These "strategic"??? venues of confusion and misinformation reach, not only thinking individuals who are able to extract the truth from these elaborate myths; but they also reach individuals who are on the verge of mental and emotional collapse. It is amazing to me how we allow these lies to be cast about in a campaign; conversely, if these same presidents, upon election should withhold or misrepresent facts, the attack is on. I am scratching my head...Consumers of products and services demand truth in advertising...We should expect no less in our political arenas.

  • 9 votes
#1.53 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 11:53 AM EST

There's no doubt this woman has a mental problem but as long as Republicans tell immigrants to get out of their country, tell blacks they are a liability, and tell women what they can or cannot do with their body they will not get the support of anyone except racist bigots. Unfortunately there are a lot of those but fortunately there aren't enough. Republicans criticize Jon Stewart for saying the Republicans won the Confederacy but look at the election map. Every state that fought against the north in the Civil War except Florida and Virgina voted heavy for Romney and the only reason FL and VA went for Obama is because of ethnic voter turn out.

Ironically the attempt to disenfranchise voters by requiring voter ID backfired because the number of Republicans voting was down too. The difference the attempt caused a backlash from those that the Republican states tried to stop. They were determined enough to stand in line for 8 hours to vote. That would never have happened if it wasn't for the attempts to keep voters from the polls.

  • 8 votes
#1.54 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 11:54 AM EST

This was taken from "The diary of a mad white woman" :)

  • 1 vote
#1.55 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 11:54 AM EST

Just another victim of pied piper limbaugh..

  • 5 votes
#1.56 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 11:59 AM EST

she's as crazy as Michelle Brackman and Sarah Palin! these female KKK members are so SCARY!!!

  • 4 votes
#1.57 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 11:59 AM EST

Brian-1075075

sayitanitso -

The Civil Rights Act was passed in 1964 and the facts are that Republicans supported it 80%-20% while Democrats supported it about 65% - 35%. Just sayin -

I would say (without looking it up) that your numbers are probably correct. But remembering the history of that era, and before, the historical evidence shows that black Americans voted predominantly for Republican candidates no matter what their political view on any given subject. It is therefore with good reasoning that the Republicans of that era supported the CRA of 1964. I don't think that you will find most of them "swallowing the Kool-aid" today. Black support (then) was a hold over from as far back as that last great Republican leader, Abraham Lincoln. That is where black support for Republicans originated.

  • 9 votes
#1.58 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 11:59 AM EST

seven2seven,

"What a joke "independents" are which generally means not smart enough to understand the issues and make a choice."

This really is not a political article and comments like yours are pathetic. Ever think that "independents" are just that - independent? They perhaps would like to reserve their option to vote for whomever they think is right for the job and not block vote just because they believe in one and only one political partys' dogma.

  • 5 votes
#1.59 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 11:59 AM EST

Roadrunnero - you really need to look up the definition of socialism - the statement of "the attitude seems to be take what you can and do for yourself" is completely contradictory.

I'll grant you that there is a clear and apparent difference in viewpoint between rural voters and urban voters. However, I think that there is some extremism on both sides that plays to furthering the divide. Urbanites tend to be more reliant on public systems, but not appreciative of those public systems. Rural voters tend to not realize that they get a disproportionate share of tax dollars per head - A voter in Alaska gets significantly more money spent on them than a voter in NY even though the standard of living in NY is significantly higher. We can't all live in cities or there would be no food. We can't all live "rurally" or there wouldn't be enough space.

  • 3 votes
#1.60 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 12:00 PM EST
Comment author avatardartatakExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

Is it just me.....or does she bear a striking resemblance to Rachel Madcow...........explains a lot.

  • 1 vote
#1.61 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 12:07 PM EST

I remember a bunch of liberal "celebrities" were gonna move out of the country if Bush won. Hummm, kinda childish but I also remember that NONE of them left even though many offered to pay their way!!

  • 2 votes
#1.62 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 12:08 PM EST

Amen, brother.

  • 1 vote
#1.63 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 12:09 PM EST

Brian - Because of that vote, the parties flipped. It seems like it's only republicans who are unaware of american history...but here's some edumacation for ya.

THE SOUTHERN STRATEGY:

In American politics, the Southern strategy refers to the Republican Party strategy of gaining political support or winning elections in the Southern section of the country by appealing to racism against African Americans.[1][2][3][4][5]

Though the "Solid South" had been a longtime Democratic Party stronghold due to the Democratic Party's defense of slavery prior to the American Civil War and segregation for a century thereafter, many white Southern Democrats stopped supporting the party following the civil rights plank of the Democratic campaign in 1948 (triggering the Dixiecrats), the African-American Civil Rights Movement, the passage of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and Voting Rights Act of 1965, and desegregation.

The strategy was first adopted under future Republican President Richard Nixon and Republican Senator Barry Goldwater[6] in the late 1960s.[7] The strategy was successful in many regards. It contributed to the electoral realignment of Southern states to the Republican Party, but at the expense of losing more than 90 percent of black voters to the Democratic Party. As the twentieth century came to a close, the Republican Party began trying to appeal again to black voters, though with little success.

and whats funny is that the repubolicans are still employing this strategy, hopefully, to the bitter end of the republican party.

Obama, the muslim socialist communist marxist non-american, has another 4 years...yep, YOU BUILT THAT!

  • 11 votes
#1.64 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 12:11 PM EST

I do love these values (a.k.a. Republican) voters and their approach on civil discourse.

On the plus side, she's probably given her husband a new "preexisting condition" which fortunatly will be covered as part of the Afordable Care Act.

  • 4 votes
#1.65 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 12:12 PM EST

Buster............the university of chicago determined that albore won....LOL LOL LOL. The most corrupt state in the union and you believe that crap??? Bush won and so did obumbo so get a life.

  • 1 vote
#1.66 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 12:15 PM EST

@ixlr8: "The GOP and it's followers are generally mentally defective. " Ah, spoken like a true tolerant, enlightened liberal. Wish the lady had run you over instead.

  • 2 votes
#1.67 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 12:16 PM EST

Boy, this women is pretty stupid. She ran her husband over for not voting for Romney and Romeny won in her state without his vote; he just didn't win the country. His vote didn't matter and you ran him over for no reason! You are an idiot - enjoy jail!

I just hope you didn't spawn and idiot-children!

  • 4 votes
#1.68 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 12:18 PM EST

She is experiencing what a huge number of people are feeling, just not handling it well. Her husband's vote would not have stopped the Depression that is coming to this country. Common sense says that if you are steadily increasing the number of people becoming dependent on government assistance while increasing the taxes of the people who work you will hit a point where you have taken everything from the small business class which creates the bulk of jobs in this country and still cannot meet the rapacious demands of the Entitlement mob.

Those people will then follow the path of Greece, rioting and looting in their rage that the government isn't giving them their free money. What neither party is looking at is there has to be a way to make people MORE self-sufficient, not more dependent on government handouts. Anyone who gets government assistance should be drug-tested and limited as to the number of children they have. If they can't support one child why are they allowed to have ten or fifteen?? They should also be required to get some kind of skill training so they can move toward supporting themselves. If they can't do any of that, then they should not be allowed to vote.

  • 6 votes
#1.69 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 12:18 PM EST

Jo-Ann

"In addition to significant contributions to a variety of Republican congressional campaigns, the Walton heirs have lined up behind Mitt Romney. Jim Walton, chairman of Arvest Bank and son of Walmart founder Sam Walton, has given $200,000 to Mitt Romney's PAC, Restore Our Future, and $2,500 -- the maximum allowable direct contribution -- to Romney's campaign. His sister, Alice Walton, has done the same."

There was one Walton heir who liked Obama. The majority went for Romney.

  • 4 votes
#1.70 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 12:21 PM EST

@Max republican women are way smarter than you dumb libtards. When you make birth control and killing babies your priority instead of the real issues facing this country like the economy and foreign affairs and like our president being involved in 4 of Americans being killed in Libya-I would say who is the dumb ones here. That woman's only mistake was running over her husband, she should have tagged a libtard instead.

  • 3 votes
#1.71 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 12:24 PM EST

@ freedomfrys

"I am so tired of the racists like shosyn complaining about blacks voting black (90%) when I suspect the Mormon vote for Romney was about the same percentage. Nothing but tired racist crap."

The only problem with your theory frys is that Mormon is not a race.

  • 3 votes
#1.72 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 12:26 PM EST

The Civil Rights Act was passed in 1964 and the facts are that Republicans supported it 80%-20% while Democrats supported it about 65% - 35%. Just sayin -

That's right. Look at what you vote and try to figure it out. It's an act that has to be continually renewed, it's not a law. Funny how you would brag about how many republicans were more in favor of it being something less than the law. Or gloss over the fact that republicans are still using the exact same tactics to suppress black votes.

See how you can take anything out of context of the big picture and try to defend the indefensible with it.

  • 1 vote
#1.73 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 12:35 PM EST

SOOOOO anyway, back to the story! It didn't dawn on this lady that the hardships she's worried about facing are nothing compared to the hardships she'd be facing in prison for murder?!

Max (#1.44): You know, some women do become a bit emotionally extreme while pregnant (and some women barely change at all), but I've certainly never seen a pregnant lady try to run someone over... and if all it takes is a bit of hormonal changes to head into the danger zone, I really hope I never get pregnant again. ;)

  • 3 votes
#1.74 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 12:37 PM EST

oobuck -- So what? Germans vote for germans. Jews vote for jews. Italians vote for italians. Catholics vote for catholics. Blacks vote for blacks. Etc, etc, etc. What's your point? If it is that blacks voting for blacks is a bad thing, then screw you!

  • 2 votes
#1.75 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 12:38 PM EST

This woman has mental illness and most likely is fearful for her future. As a life long Democrat I voted for President Obama because I believe in him. He is not perfect but I see the economy turning around and our country becoming more balanced.

Ed Schultz's question last night was, "Do you think the Republicans will work with the President?" (paraphrasing) My answer is, if they don't work with him they truly are selfish and their only concern is themselves. This includes the Tea Party. They project, the idea they want, what is right for all but they really want what they perceive is right.

This election was about hatred, bigotry and who are they adults. Republicnas have this condescending attitude, they are the "thinkers" and know what is correct for all of us. The truth is they are unyeilding and are unable to think outside of the box. They don't mind spending money for the things they want but they hate spending money for thing things everyone needs. Basic needs.

So while this woman went nuts and ran down her husband, I think a majority of Republicans would like to see the majority run over but a bus.

I do not believe in physical violence. That is why we vote. And that is why the majority should rule. And President Obama, won buy a majority, of the popular vote and the electoral vote. Thank you God.

  • 10 votes
#1.76 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 12:41 PM EST

Seymour / Kanic yes and yes

When 10% of small businesses go under from the weight of taxes and another just call it quits because of mandates like Obama-care the next big depression will be underway.. Hope you have positioned yourselves for the fall because it is coming.. Even my wife who normally sides with the liberals voted Romney because she sees the cliff.. Use your cash now and buy basic comodities that you can use to barter with when the dollar is worthless.. The communist organizer in the White House has a plan????

  • 1 vote
#1.77 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 12:41 PM EST

@Seymour - actually, the bulk of government hand-outs (government grant money) goes to the wealthy. Most of these programs are written in such a manner they take a lawyer to understand what they are and how to get the money. Most of these grants are for home repairs, home improvements, paying off credit cards and various other things. The wealthy hire people to look into these programs and shake down our government for millions of dollars each year. Wealthy politicians seem to abuse these programs as well, remember the one who used a program to get money to send her children to private schools so she didn't have to spend her own millions to do so?

  • 6 votes
#1.78 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 12:46 PM EST

We should tax every American corporation $3000 a month for each employee they hire overseas and also a 40% tax on any money they move to an off shore account.

  • 9 votes
#1.79 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 12:52 PM EST

Seymour-1012100

Finally someone that really understands. Thank you for common sense. Also this woman has mental problems and for the media to say she did this all because of him not voting is just playing into the division of this country. If we can't stop all the name calling and shoving our beliefs on each other then we will never stand as a UNITED AMERICA again. Please everyone try to get back to being civil to each other and have respect. We need to work together to make this right. Both sides need to put away their hate and get back to living everyday life to the best of their ability and that includes bringing their own families back together, then their neighbors then their communities. Then maybe we will be back on track to a UNITED AMERICA.

  • 3 votes
#1.80 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 12:53 PM EST

What this article fails to mention is the fact the woman is six months pregnant - but it isn't an excuse. I live out here, and we have so many uncivilized, white-trash (I don't care what your ethnicity is, if you act like it, then you are it) that have moved here in the past three decades it is unreal. We have a Veteran who is flying the U.S. flag at half-mast and upside down - he isn't the only one.

We have votes that have NOT been counted too. We have political leaders that are as looney as the woman in this article and FAIL to lead the intellectually challenged members of this state in how to conduct themselves in a civilized manner when they have lost an election.

It is a damn shame - all of it, because it is a beautiful place to live with far too many wackos that now call it home.

  • 5 votes
#1.81 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 12:55 PM EST

Windancersong sure started this conversation off with a crazy erroneous assumption (and sure wouldn't let go of that assumption). I am surprised at you, J S in South Dakota, that you just jumped into the wagon with Windancersong like you did, instead of correcting their misguided direction. I pay attention to you and you don't usually do that; you usually catch erroneous assumptions like windancersong put out and correct them.

So to Windancersong, and all of you who believe this commenter, there is first no indication that Mr. Solomon had a different political direction than his wife. He possibly just did not have as strong a conviction or sense of urgency in matters like this as his wife. Perhaps, though he was out working so hard to take care of his silly wife and all his responsibilities that he was unable to fit his necessary schedule into the restrictive schedule of the polling places! (And, don't give me the argument of, "Well, there is early voting for several days." It's probably quite unlikely that Mr. Solomon's work schedule changes very much from day to day!)

  • 2 votes
#1.82 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 12:55 PM EST

Jessica - I'm aware of the "Southern Strategy". We could probably debate it at length, but the truth is the southern strategy had absolutely nothing to do with the African-american vote in national elections. That flipped from Republican to Democrat in 1964, immediately after the passage of the Civil Rights Act based on Kennedy, then Johnson being President when it was introduced and passed. Interesting enough, as a Southern Democrat, Johnson had successfully weakened Eisenhower's 1957 Bill in the Senate. The 1964 Act was much weaker than the originally proposed 1957 Act. It took almost twenty years for the southern strategy to take hold. It didn't affect a national election until Reagan.

    #1.83 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 12:55 PM EST

    TheKhanKubla

    More division???? Please stop it. It will take each of us to take that first step, so please step up... Thanks

    • 1 vote
    #1.84 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 12:57 PM EST

    Oh, Get Real, who commented right above my last comment. Be careful man; you start to make yourself sound a little extremist (or like a wacko).

    • 1 vote
    #1.85 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 12:58 PM EST

    Funny. The evil 1%er are supposedly all Republicans? Right? (except for the Hollywood ones). And all Republicans are - according to many of the tolerant enlightened posters here - all inbred idiots.

    I didnt realize inbred idiocy paid so well.

    • 2 votes
    #1.86 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 12:59 PM EST

    I don't know why people think Obama care will hurt businesses, since the corporations have already figured out the loopholes. One major corporation has cut back on health care policies and is in the process of cutting off all health care to employees. Many companies do not offer health insurance to any but full time employees, and the majority of their employees are only part-time. I am sure all the other companies will follow suit. How else will the major business players be able to afford the millions they shell, in salaries and bonuses out for their CEOs. We have a minimum wage, why not a maximum wage as well? It would stop all the plant closings and work sent overseas, did anyone believe it was necessary to make a profit? If you could look at the companies records you would see the largest drain on profits is at the top not the bottom, like you would expect.....

    • 2 votes
    #1.87 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 1:00 PM EST

    I can understand her being upset for the impending hardship. But running the guy over is a lot over the top. She could have just made him sleep in the dog house like a normal wife.

    • 2 votes
    #1.88 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 1:04 PM EST

    "Common sense says that if you are steadily increasing the number of people becoming dependent on government assistance while increasing the taxes of the people who work you will hit a point where you have taken everything from the small business class which creates the bulk of jobs in this country and still cannot meet the rapacious demands of the Entitlement mob."

    Common sense should explain to you how those people end up becoming dependent on the govt - REMEMBER THE ECONOMIC COLLAPSE UNDER A REPUBLICAN PRESIDENT? 800K jobs lost a month?

    those people had to go somewhere, because despite Obama not raising taxes on the rich - they still wouldnt hire people.

    despite 3 decades of historically low taxes, we still dont have a booming economy...for the past 3 decades, we've watched our jobs go overseas to maximize CEO and Shareholder profits.

    we've made our bed for sure, we've sold all that is great about America to the highest corporate bidder...and it's just too easy to blame Obama, who isnt at all to blame.

    that black guy there, yeah, it's all his fault for 3 decade our jobs have gone POOF! into thin air.

    sorry guys...sell that insanity somewhere else, it's not flying here.

    • 7 votes
    #1.89 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 1:06 PM EST

    If a black person voting for a black president is a racist, then every white person who ever voted for president prior to four years ago is a racist.

    Extreme hatred leading to this level of anger is what the right wing pushes for. On the bright side there is now one less right wing extremist who will be able to vote. Once she is convicted of the felony, she will not be voting for years.

    • 5 votes
    #1.90 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 1:06 PM EST

    @Correctit

    Oh, Get Real, who commented right above my last comment. Be careful man; you start to make yourself sound a little extremist (or like a wacko).

    Correctit, first I'm not a "man," but you know what they say about assumptions, and you made one. Second, the woman herself told the police she ran him down because he didn't vote. The husband confirmed the story. And if you don't think our Governor is a wacko, then you don't know the current situation in this state, let alone the history.

    I'm not a wacko, but I am sick and tired of the great divide in this country that has us stuck in the same place. If we do not stop the political divide, both in our homes and in our government, we are headed for more than a fiscal cliff, regardless of who is elected President.

    That is nothing more than civility, common sense, and a sense of social responsibility for the good of the majority - wait, it is also call DEMOCRACY!

    • 3 votes
    #1.91 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 1:11 PM EST

    If she just ran him over then she is probably mentally imbalanced. If she had backed up and run over him again she would have been a member of the Tea Party

    • 6 votes
    #1.92 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 1:17 PM EST

    The husband wishes he should have bought her more chocolate and ice cream.

    • 1 vote
    #1.93 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 1:22 PM EST

    @sayitaintso

    First, Black (African Americas, Negros, etc.) have been voting for the Democrat candidate since the passage of the Civil Rights Act in 1965. Second, and this is for you closet racists, whenever there has been a WHITE presidential candidate on the Democratic ticket, BLACKS have voted in greater than 80% for that candidate. Third, and here is the kicker; when WHITES vote in elections where a WHITE candidate is running against a BLACK candidate, and they vote in overwhelming majority for the WHITE candidate, why is that not viewed as the equivalent opposite?

    The head of the Democratic party is the same LBJ, the same person who as the Senate Majority Leader during the Eisenhower administration blocked all attempts by the Republican Party to bring to law the same legislation. Why would the leader of the Democratic party from Texas block the legislation on discrimination? We all know what the rumors where at the time.

      #1.94 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 1:28 PM EST

      Is that a crime?

      • 1 vote
      #1.95 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 1:33 PM EST

      js in sd,

      well, i disagree. her motivation had to with him not voting and being distraught over the election...when we have an impulse, especially an act that required a bit of planning and sustained effort, it's not based on nothing.

      however, in spite of how tempting it is to assume the political connection, the decision to ACT on the impulse was due to mental illness.

      • 2 votes
      #1.96 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 1:38 PM EST

      If that "Non-American, Ala-Worshipping IDIOT" was re-elected because of the Electoral Votes and not the popular vote, he can be thrown out by the popular vote "IMPEACHED". And yes, I am a RACIST but that doesn't make NOBAMA bin LADEN any less of an "INCOMPITENT IDIOT"!

      • 2 votes
      #1.97 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 1:41 PM EST

      Classic TeaPublican mindsets all around. No wonder Mittens lost so soundly!

      Btw, Robin Lynne TeaBagger, it's spelled: INCOMPETENT (which is a word that also applies to both your spelling and your mental state)

      • 6 votes
      #1.98 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 1:51 PM EST

      They really are that dumb here in Arizona - but, in case you missed it, we passed places like Mississippi for the highest High School drop out rate in the Country, about 6 years ago. This fine Red State also has the highest un-wed birth rate in the Country. Like 420 said; we lead the Country in all the wrong things - yet shout the loudest about how Liberals have screwed up the USA.

      If this woman thought electing Obama was going to make it hard on her family - then what did she think running over her husband was going to do to their family situation?

      Half my posts point out people thinking with emotions rather than logic...and the Conservative Right still doesn't get it. If the Right spent as much time thinking logically as they do making excuses for each other - we might actually achieve that greatness they brag about...reality doesn't pick sides - it is what it is - no amount of praying (or running others over) will change that.

      • 8 votes
      #1.99 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 2:03 PM EST

      In response to the wingnut petitions to secede from the union. First let me say that this is not the states themselves seeking secession, it is a few inbred, mouth-breathing, knuckle-dragging, white sheet wearing, sons of the confederacy who can’t get over the fact that a black man is president that are filing the petitions. There are 26,000,000 people in the state of Texas and by last count there were 65,000 signatures on the petition to secede, so for Fox Noise to be claiming the “state of Texas wants to secede” is beyond insane. Even if they get 1,000,000 idiots to sign their petition that is still 1/26th of the entire population of the state. Until they get over half the population of each state to sign their petitions for secession they are just pissing in the wind and making trouble for our President at a time when we really don’t need any distractions from the problems that face us as a nation. At this point in George Bush’s presidency his popularity rating was half of what President Obama’s is and he was in the process of creating the largest debt in the history of the planet, and yet you did not hear liberals whining about secession. For the longest time we have listened to the conservatives tell us that if we don’t love America then we need to get the hell out, but of course they were not advocating we take a large chunk of the nation’s land mass with us, they were simply telling us to pack our bags and leave. Well now it’s my turn to tell them the same thing. Part of my meager inheritance is some property around Lake Dallas Texas and I will be damned if I am going to allow 65,000 TRAITORS to take my land out of the United States. I had to suffer through 8 years of the most destructive presidency in the history of this nation under George W. Bush so my answer to your secession wet dream is to say, “if you don’t like it here then I suggest you hop on the next bus to Juarez because it will be over my dead body that you secede from this nation taking my property with you!”

      • 6 votes
      #1.100 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 2:08 PM EST

      To the Conservative who pointed out that only about one third of the Nation voted - man, you be dumb - it is the Conservatives who try and suppress voter eligibility. Is this person assuming that had every person who could vote, did vote, that Mittens would have won? Dude, I got this wind mill in my back yard that needs slaying, come on over with every gun you got...it's a big sucker.

      • 4 votes
      #1.101 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 2:12 PM EST

      I loved how even MSN and NBC tried to make it look like Mittens was either tied or ahead of Obama in polls - right up to the end - when anyone with half a brain knew it wasn't going to be a close race. But man, did you Conservatives eat those polls up...yum yum, stupid sure tastes good.

      • 3 votes
      #1.102 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 2:20 PM EST

      Shosyn said:

      "I agree there is more to this then voting.... oh by the way ...over 2/3rds of AMERICA did NOT vote... that is over 220 million people...and of the blacks who voted, 90%+ voted for Obama. (racially voting is such a good way to vote)"

      "Lets not forget also that those who figure out to vote themselves a check WILL DO SO ALWAYS."

      "Good luck with those numbers. Partisan hacks in both parties ARE the problem"

      Racially voting has worked so well for most whites for 224 years, not to mention "racially Primarying", but it's you who are assuming they voted that way b/c of race, as opposed to voting against the bigots who keep accusing them of stuff like that.

      The people who voted to get themselves a check did so since the youth of our union when schools were created and roads were created even though everyone did not use them. Here, people who voted to get themselves free tax giveaways for their oil companies all voted and were soundly defeated by those of us who think they should pay for their schools, roads, bridges and tax subsidies for their very successful companies, looks like those freebie voters lost this time. Looks like they're gonna have to pay for their bail-out loans for the comapnies they run into the ground, instead of filing bankruptcy, dumping their employees' pension bill off on the taxpayers and returning to their 10000 sq. ft. home in Virgina, or Florida, or Montecito or Vail, Co. Poor SOBs. :-(

      Partisan hacks in the Democtratic party were a RESPONSE to the natural hack-i-ness of the freaked-out opposition, but when you people go bat@!$%# crazy and block the President like this is a chess game, expect a fight....this is real life, not a damned game.

      The reason she hit him with her car is because not only is she too dumb to know that electoral votes in Arizona were going to Romney anyway, but she's also Republican enough to think everyone's actions are somehow subject to her approval just like every other neo-fascist in Arizona, that place is a @!$%# hole peppered with golf courses. Except Tempe/Mesa, Tucson and a couple other pockets of semi-sanity(Yes, I know Tucson is heavily Republican, but they're mostly sane republicans who can reason and add). I hope she has a good time in the next episode of "Prisoner: Cell Block H".

      • 2 votes
      #1.103 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 2:33 PM EST

      Jo Ann...............Walmart doesn't give their employees insurance. They make them all part-timers so they don't have to. Why do Republicans always have to make sh!t up?

      @sickofthegop (post #1.38)

      From Reuters:

      http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/11/12/walmart-healthcare-idUSL3E8MC18E20121112

        #1.104 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 2:36 PM EST

        J_P - im as liberal as it comes, but it was a close race. Stop looking at the Electoral, and look at the popular vote. We didnt win by much.

        I thought for CERTAIN Kerry was going to win in 2004 - not because anyone or any news outlet made me believe that, but because I thought NO WAY is America dumb enough to re-elect Bush. Yet, thats exactly what America did.

        So, I can absolutely understand how republicans feel and think...

        I just dont feel sorry for them, what goes around comes around...and so long as we keep treating politics, and the future of our nation, like a football game...we'll keep reaping what we sow - which is a field full of BULLSH!T

        • 1 vote
        #1.105 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 2:40 PM EST

        Oh, and BTW;

        Only 93 million eligible people failed to vote in this election, NOT 2/3rds....it's less than the 126 million who did excercise their sacred duty and right. Still pathetically low compared to other nations, but not 2/3rd failure.

        If parties would hide their party affiliations and register people to vote for the sake of voting rather than doing it while pushing you to vote for them, emphasizing on history and our nation's comparison to other countries there would be a greater number or registering and participation since most people do NOT want to be sold or convinced something, they want to be helped to know why voting is important and a joy and personally satisfying. If I wanted a shyster salesman who's trying to get me to buy something I'd call the K*r*y vacuum cleaner salesman to my house.

        • 1 vote
        #1.106 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 2:46 PM EST

        Brian "I'm aware of the "Southern Strategy". We could probably debate it at length, but the truth is the southern strategy had absolutely nothing to do with the African-american vote in national elections."

        You seemed to imply that the democrats of yesteryear are the democrats of today, and thats not the case - those angry white racists of the 40's, 50's and 60's that fought civil rights, fought desegration - they left the democratic party and moved to the republican party, following THE SOUTHERN STRATEGY.

        Not all of them of course, there were quite a few who hung on til their own bitter end...they were called DIXIECRATS. Some made it well into the 80's...they, however, did not make up what the democratic party is today.

        And The republicans of yesteryear, that supported Civil Rights, supported Desegragation, they left the republican party and came over to the democratic party (not all of them, of course not) because The Republican Party was employing (and still does to this day) The Southern Strategy as a means to win elections.

        So in actuality, The Southern Strategy has a great deal to do with the fact that democrats can always count on the african american vote...so long as the republican party continues to embrace the white angry racists.

        GET IT YET? probably not. mostly because I dont think you see the people im referring to as "angry white racists" - but dang, all you gotta do is read these boards. THEY ARE REAL, THEY STILL EXIST AND THEY ARE THE BASE OF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY. Had the platforms never flipped, they would be the base of the democratic party...and i'd be a republican today.

        "That flipped from Republican to Democrat in 1964, immediately after the passage of the Civil Rights Act based on Kennedy, then Johnson being President when it was introduced and passed. Interesting enough, as a Southern Democrat, Johnson had successfully weakened Eisenhower's 1957 Bill in the Senate. The 1964 Act was much weaker than the originally proposed 1957 Act. It took almost twenty years for the southern strategy to take hold. It didn't affect a national election until Reagan."

        I disagree that it didnt affect a national election til reagan...but I do agree that racist white men still were running both parties for quite some time. you dont kick the racist out of you over night...it just doesnt work that way. Kennedy is a major factor in attracting African Americans, just as much as hearing those racist white guys say "he's catering to negros, im voting for the other guy!"

        do you see how that works?

        As a lesbian...it's happening today. Sure, there are gays who voted for Romney, but most wouldnt ever think of it EVEN IF his other policies were better for us...I could NEVER vote for a guy who thinks i dont deserve equal rights. END OF STORY.

        • 3 votes
        #1.107 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 2:58 PM EST

        My first impression when I read the article headline was she's got to be a republican. Go Figure.

        The division that's been set up in this country by self serving millionaires, billionaires,corporations and talking heads on television and radio is going to tear this country apart.

        • 2 votes
        #1.108 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 3:20 PM EST

        "We have a TWO party system for a reason... if you want ONE party move to CHINA you partisan hacks...

        Ever hear of untied we stand, divided we fall??"

        Yes! and it's the two party system that is doing the dividing. It's almost like a BIG FOOTBALL game.

          #1.109 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 3:29 PM EST

          Get Real (I'm trying to be graceful about this): You did not read my short comment so very fully, did you? I implied that you were reaching the edge of your limits, you hadn't quite crossed over yet, woman. However, you seem intent to get heated until you boil over. I surely hope that you are not the next native (your implication against all the foreign invaders) woman in Arizona that we hear of in the news; who becomes so inflamed that she runs over her (wacko) husband, or (wacko) neighbor or goes and does a "Jared Loughner" and shoots a (wacko) politician in Arizona. I sincerely hope this doesn't happen with you (and even for all your wacko companions and neighbors).

          [Oh, by the way, I did not say anything about who was elected president of this nation, nor who is, nor who is not president; did I?]

            #1.110 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 3:33 PM EST

            BP-2252891: I like that: "Untied we stand, divided we fall.

            • 1 vote
            #1.111 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 3:36 PM EST

            She was right about hard time coming with OBAMA... but they would have came with Romney as well... but she should not have ran over her husband... that is just stupid!

            Get ready AMERICA... civil war and more wars in the middle east are heating up... and you are more worried about what is on TV and who is going to win the stupid bowl... err I mean Super Bowl...

            YOU ARE IN THE MATRIX... and will believe anything you are told...

            YOU don't have an education, you have an indoctrination...

            Your Rights are being taken from you every day and you just sit there and cling to the little bit you have left... as long as it doesn't hinder your shallow life... you just sit there and take it...

            This will come to an end soon... just don't sit there any say I didn't warn you...

            Go and buy some real wealth.... Gold, Silver, a car, etc...

            Get YOUR money out of the criminal banks!!!

            Get some food and water and prepair for the worst, and hope for the best...

            /rant

            • 2 votes
            #1.112 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 3:48 PM EST

            IXLR8 Comment collapsed by the community

            I don't want to re-hash this but this is your typical Romney supporter. She also failed to realize that Mitt got run over by the Electoral Votes saying resoundly no to his old failed plans.

            The GOP and it's followers are generally mentally defective. Hopefully this woman gets the help she needs.

            The lack of intelligence in this country is astonishing to me when I see frickin' dumb ass waste of time for intelligent people reading idiotic comments.

            This "generally mentally defective" comment is particularly interesting. Show the proof in your words before you spout off idiotic comments such as these. Show me the statistics, the polls, the medical journals and reports that proves this constant diarrhea pouring from your mouth. I have a cousin who is down-syndrome with more intelligence and knowledge then you could even wish for.

            But, the most inane comments seem to come from trolls such as yourself.

            So, put up the solid facts IXLR8 or shut your pie hole....of course you're probably spouting it from your a$$hole.

            Oh, you don't piss me off....I always get a good laugh from an imbecilic buffoon as yourself...and God knows their are plenty to go around.

              #1.113 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 3:54 PM EST

              @ COMommy,

              My thoughts exactly. Obviously there was something more to this, or she is just plain crazy and the not voting didn't really play a part in it. It will be revealed, just probably not in a news story on the internet.

              • 1 vote
              #1.114 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 4:24 PM EST

              If this story doesn’t add to negative reputation the Republican Party already has I don’t know what will………… I don't understand why she got so upset, after all the GOP still controls congress so they'll still continue to obstruct ANY positive change in Washington.

              • 1 vote
              #1.115 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 4:33 PM EST

              Robyn Lynne Rose wrote:

              If that "Non-American, Ala-Worshipping IDIOT" was re-elected because of the Electoral Votes and not the popular vote, he can be thrown out by the popular vote "IMPEACHED". And yes, I am a RACIST but that doesn't make NOBAMA bin LADEN any less of an "INCOMPITENT IDIOT"!

              OK, I swore I wasn't going to do this, but you've forced me to ...

              • NA NA NA NA POO POO!
              • WE WIN AND YOU LOSE!

              You are a complete ass and, normally I would not bother to respond ... but it was either write that or run over you with my car.

              America is better off now than we were 4 years ago. We have this really cool thing called voting that allows the majority to elect a president to govern the nation. The majority of Americans wanted President Obama to lead for another 4 years. Most people are moderate (middle of the road and pretty well-balanced) and they saw those same qualities in President Obama, so they reelected him.

              By the way ... it is now the 21st century. You're welcome to join us here.

              • 3 votes
              #1.116 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 4:49 PM EST

              You call that coverage JoAnn?

              Wal-Mart pays for preventive care such as routine checkups. However, workers must pay deductibles of at least $1,750 before Wal-Mart covers 80 percent of the cost of other care such as doctor visits and diagnostic tests

              • 1 vote
              #1.117 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 5:33 PM EST

              Spellchecker: I agree!

              • 1 vote
              #1.118 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 5:37 PM EST

              Jessica -

              You seemed to imply that the democrats of yesteryear are the democrats of today, and thats not the case - those angry white racists of the 40's, 50's and 60's that fought civil rights, fought desegration - they left the democratic party and moved to the republican party, following THE SOUTHERN STRATEGY.

              Not as much as you seem to think. It was more of a generational migration and it really only affected the Southeast. If you check the electoral maps, Reagan was the first Presidential candidate who unambiguously benefited from the Southern Strategy and I think you'll find that Jerry Falwell's Moral Majority moved more southern Republican and Democratic Presidential votes than the Southern Strategy did.

                #1.119 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 5:43 PM EST

                I see the crazy bus is still stopping to pick many of your up from your cages every day.

                I was hoping once this election was over we'd get back to intelligent discourse but it looks like any intelligence in this place fled long ago.

                If we could survive 8 years of the Bush/Cheney regime we can survive anything including any tiny little flutter we might get when Obama makes a wrong decision because he over-thought something(!)

                Anyone remember the last Republican that over-thought something?

                Maybe John Huntsman?

                We all know how that turned out...

                  #1.120 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 5:54 PM EST

                  Just look at her! If I was married to her I would be tempted to run myself over.

                  • 2 votes
                  #1.121 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 6:14 PM EST

                  D. Appel

                  Robyn Lynne Rose wrote:

                  If that "Non-American, Ala-Worshipping IDIOT" was re-elected because of the Electoral Votes and not the popular vote, he can be thrown out by the popular vote "IMPEACHED". And yes, I am a RACIST but that doesn't make NOBAMA bin LADEN any less of an "INCOMPITENT IDIOT"!

                  OK, I swore I wasn't going to do this, but you've forced me to ...

                  • NA NA NA NA POO POO!
                  • WE WIN AND YOU LOSE!

                  _______________________________________________________

                  And now you sound like you have a lower IQ than he does. Grow up stop the hate and step up to pull this country together.

                  • 2 votes
                  #1.122 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 6:17 PM EST

                  Brian-1075075

                  sayitanitso -

                  The Civil Rights Act was passed in 1964 and the facts are that Republicans supported it 80%-20% while Democrats supported it about 65% - 35%. Just sayin -

                  Now here's an example of making a statement without giving all the facts. Nearly all the resistance to the Civil Rights Bill came from the south. It was so strong that no southern Republican voted in favor of the bill in either house and 93-95% of the Democrats voted against the bill. In those days the south was the strong base of the Democrat party but now it's the Republican Party that has the strong base in the south. Same group of people with same ideologies but party is reversed now. In other words those Democrats that were against the Civil Rights Bill are now Republicans with the same agenda.

                  • 2 votes
                  #1.123 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 6:41 PM EST

                  Robin Lynne Rose

                  If that "Non-American, Ala-Worshipping IDIOT" was re-elected because of the Electoral Votes and not the popular vote, he can be thrown out by the popular vote "IMPEACHED". And yes, I am a RACIST but that doesn't make NOBAMA bin LADEN any less of an "INCOMPITENT IDIOT"!"

                  I am not quite sure what an "ala-worshipping idiot" is, but I can see you fit the profile of the last word in that phrase. Perhaps you meant Allah, which simply means "God", it is not the name of their "God", you know like Bob or Bill, it actually means "God" in another language. So by calling President Obama an "Allah-worshiper" you really were just saying he worships "God". I know it can get somewhat confusing for people like you whose brains have been melted from years and years of rightwing propaganda but I will try to explain it so you don't give yourself a headache. You see the Muslim, Christian and Jewish faiths are what we call Abrahamic religions, meaning they all stemmed from the first prophet Abraham, meaning they all believe in the same "God" or the same "Allah" if you will. Where they differ comes later, such as the Jews and Muslims don't believe the "Jesus" character of the New Testament was the son of "God (Allah)".

                  The Jewish faith was a bastardization of Egyptian beliefs which was taken from earlier stories that were based upon astrotheology, or the worship of the Sun, the Moon and the Stars. Did you know that on December 22 the Sun (God Sun, Sun of God, Son of God) reaches it's lowest point in the sky at the Southern Cross, in a sense dying, where it stays for 3 days only to be "born again" and "rise from the dead" on the 25th of December which ironically is the birth date of over a dozen major religious personifications of the "God Son" predated Christ by thousands of years.

                  Do you remember that game your teacher made you play in school when you were a child where you sat in a circle and one child whispered in the nexts ones ear and by the time it got back to the first child it didn't even slightly resemble the phrase he spoke in the other ones ear? well that is your religion.

                  • 2 votes
                  #1.124 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 6:56 PM EST

                  Well, sad to say, no surprise here. For the GOP, lunacy is normal, goodness is evil, and people are problems. Children are only valuable as fetuses, adults as slaves and government is beyond the ability of humans to use.....anyone else ready to hear the cosmic flush of this absurd party once and for all?

                  • 3 votes
                  #1.125 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 7:01 PM EST

                  Stay classy, Arizona.

                    #1.126 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 8:35 PM EST

                    Well, how does she know if her husband might have voted for Obama?

                    And if he had, then he would have just cancelled her vote out.

                    But, then again, she would probably would have run him over twice for that!

                      #1.127 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 8:36 PM EST
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                      Sorry honey his one vote would not have done it ! Making a pancake out of your husband was not wise and we really do think you did this for "OTHER" reasons !

                      • 24 votes
                      Reply#2 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 9:44 AM EST

                      The best part of the story is that Romney won Arizona! So truly his vote wouldn't have made a difference.

                      • 6 votes
                      #2.1 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 11:15 AM EST

                      Obviously she loved to control her husband and did it often. She's a nut case too. The guy now has a reason to divorce her if he survives. She's an example of some of these crazy Romney voters that can't get over it.

                      • 6 votes
                      #2.2 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 11:24 AM EST

                      You just MUST love the folks who want to "secede" from the union, but cannot even spell the word!

                      • 5 votes
                      #2.3 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 12:34 PM EST

                      And to think... Republicans accuse Democratic liberals of being the "crazy," "lunatic" and "overly emotional" members of society.

                      Thanks, lady, for proving there are nuts all over.

                      • 6 votes
                      #2.4 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 12:36 PM EST

                      Too bad she didn't mow down the fool she's really pissed off at "NOBAMA bin LADEN"!!! and isn't schooled enough to realize her vote didn't even count so why should his???

                        #2.5 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 12:55 PM EST

                        I hope these two can patch their differences :)

                          #2.6 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 1:15 PM EST

                          Is that illegal?

                          • 2 votes
                          #2.7 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 1:34 PM EST

                          Irrational TeaPublican ire simply knows no bounds...

                          Gee, Robin Lynne TeaBagger, didn't you use that NbL line at least once already? Careful you don't wear it out!

                          • 3 votes
                          #2.8 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 1:55 PM EST

                          at some point, hopefully not too far in the distant future, folks like Robin Lynne Rose will be woefully embarrassed of her current behaviour.

                          but for now, im embarrassed enough for you.

                          grow up, and I mean that with utter respect...

                          • 1 vote
                          #2.9 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 3:11 PM EST

                          Jessica-1170252

                          at some point, hopefully not too far in the distant future, folks like Robin Lynne Rose will be woefully embarrassed of her current behaviour.

                          not smart enough to be embarrassed.

                            #2.10 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 5:57 PM EST

                            You know Robin, I think you husband may have voted for Obama!

                            Oh wait, who the hell would marry you? Nevermind.

                              #2.11 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 6:21 PM EST

                              The truly special part of this is that it DID NOT MATTER that he did not tick the R box. In NO state did Romney lose by one only vote; and, in Arizona he WON.

                              • 2 votes
                              #2.12 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 11:35 PM EST
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                              Comment author avatarBaddog40Expand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

                              Another well balanced republican.

                              • 51 votes
                              Reply#3 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 9:45 AM EST

                              She was a democrat....I'm assuming you are too, as your comment is not relevant to this.

                              • 3 votes
                              #3.1 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 10:00 AM EST

                              atlanticio.. can't or didn't read the article

                              • 30 votes
                              #3.2 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 10:04 AM EST

                              Actually, she was a republican - see the first line of the article "An Arizona woman, in despair at the re-election of Democratic President Barack Obama"

                              Doubt a Democrat - who voted for the President, would be in despair of his re-election

                              • 20 votes
                              #3.3 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 10:05 AM EST

                              To anlantic10: "Police said Daniel Solomon told them his wife became angry over his "lack of voter participation" in last Tuesday's presidential election and believed her family would face hardship as a result of Obama winning another term."

                              Reading is fundamental. This statement would lead most logical people to believe she was a Republican. I assume your lack of comprehension makes your comment not relavant to this.

                              • 25 votes
                              #3.4 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 10:05 AM EST
                              Comment author avatarappalachianExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

                              I am not surprised at all; nor am I surprised atlantic10 is too stupid to put 2 and 2 together. He perfectly represents the Republican demographic.

                              • 24 votes
                              #3.5 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 10:13 AM EST

                              It is as relevant as yours was...

                              • 1 vote
                              #3.6 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 10:34 AM EST

                              portcityjames, you are correct. Reading is fundamental. And so is understanding voter demographics. Since one out of three voters in Arizona are registered Independent, as I am, the logical conclusion is there is not enough information to determine her party affiliation.

                              • 2 votes
                              #3.7 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 10:34 AM EST

                              @Atlantic10 - Typical Republican who doesn't bother to read articles prior to commenting on them. It is a statistical fact. GOP constituents are angry people that love to fight and go to war.

                              Hey people - if you're willing to do the time - take it out on a corrupt politician and not your 'soul mate.'

                              • 3 votes
                              #3.8 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 10:43 AM EST

                              I guess the sentance was more than a sound bite so he missed the subject. Ok, so "we don't believe in science" "math is not always true", "never agree with what you read" and on and on, how come I can't identify with the GOP spin stories???????

                              • 4 votes
                              #3.9 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 10:44 AM EST

                              Miguelito

                              "An Arizona woman, in despair at the re-election of Democratic President Barack Obama, ran down her husband with the family car in suburban Phoenix on Saturday because he failed to vote in the election, police said on Monday."

                              Sorry but the article would lead one to logically assume she was a republican not an independent as most folks commenting are coming to the same conclusion. She may have been a independent but her actions would be more in line LOGICALLY with someone that probably that felt more vested in the Republican candidate as opposed to the Democratic candidate. Most independents don't feel as strongy about either candidate and are considered able to be courted by either side to swing either way. BY HER ACTIONS, one can assume LOGICALLY, that she probably was a die hard Republican. Sorry but your logic is flawed as your 1/3 of the Arizona electorate is probably outweighed by the fact that SHE RAN HER HUSBAND OVER WITH A CAR BECAUSE OBAMA WON. You really think your logic is more sound based on what is in the article? Were you DISTRAUGHT because Obama won? Probably not because you were probably not that vested in either candidate to react to the extent she did.

                              • 4 votes
                              #3.10 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 10:51 AM EST

                              Your logic is lacking. Based on my sampling it appears that most people commenting are Democrats. Therefore their comments will typically be anti-republican. Just as yours. The article leads nowhere other to give people a chance to vent their inner feelings. Logica says her support for Romney is based on her financial concerns, the only reason stated in the article. Many Independents voted for Romney based on the state of the economy. There is nothing in this article that would lead me to assume she is a die hard Republican. That is only assumed in your die hard Democrat mind. The only thing obvious is that she needs help. She has some severe mental issues.

                              Based on your last comment does that mean you are so vested in Obama that you would have run down your spouse if Romney had been elected? Or were you not that vested in either candidate? Your comment is superfluous.

                              Logic demands a certain preponderance of fact that is lacking in this article. You can't fill in the gaps with your skewed feelings. If you took logic in college maybe you need to take the class again. You wasted your money the first time around.

                              • 2 votes
                              #3.11 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 11:19 AM EST

                              Well written, logical and based on "the facts; provided and free, indepedent and and clear thinking -- all things that do are meaningless to a "Tea party/far-right" Republican.

                                #3.12 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 11:42 AM EST
                                Reply

                                Another victim of the wrong-wing entertainment complex.

                                • 25 votes
                                Reply#4 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 9:49 AM EST

                                I have to wonder what the hell is wrong with ALL America today????? This is a tragedy!!!! A woman has some serious issues that results in her attacking the one person who should mean the most to her in this world. MSN wants to play this up as much more of a "political issue" than it actually is. Then let's take a GOOD HARD LOOK at the nasty, hateful, ridiculous, immature and divisionary remarks of "SO-CALLED" mature, responsible, voting?, Americans!!!! LOOK at the hateful crap you've spewed!!!! This is the way that people want a UNTIED AMERICA treat each other???? HOW DARE anyone blame this on a political candidate or a party ,regardless if you want to blame republicans or independents. Get real ALL people are fully capable of doing extreme and horrible things to each other, INCLUDING dems so if you are a real and intelligent person you'd stop this hate right now. To all those that are so ignorant as to continue to spew hate for your fellow Americans remember, as you like to spout off to people that disagree with you," YOU REAP WHAT YOU SOW"!!!!!! We will never end hate, division and racism if ALL OF US continue this way. Regardless of your political party it's time to STOP THIS NONSENSE AND GROW THE HELL UP!!!!

                                • 2 votes
                                #4.1 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 12:37 PM EST

                                MSN wants to play this up as much more of a "political issue" than it actually is.

                                How is reporting a fact making it a political issue? Y'all gotta drop that "lame-stream media" crap 'cause you are so seriously misinformed that you are starting to become dumb. And I don't mean that as an attack, wise up 'cause we need a serious and informed electorate to make this experiment in democracy work.

                                • 4 votes
                                #4.2 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 1:21 PM EST

                                skrewdworld - I dont disagree with much of what you said, we're all at fault.

                                but like a nuclear war, how do you stop it once its been started?

                                there's so much that republicans and democrats agree on, but the far ends of each party wont let us work together...you'd think with all the pull that moderates and independents have - considering every national election both parties are pandering to them to win the election - that they would demand that we solve the things we agree on, and stop pandering to the bases...but they dont ever do that. They just flip who they vote for every other election - things suck, a democrat won last time, lets for for a republican. UGH, things still suck, lets vote for a democrat. UGH, why does it still suck, lets vote for a republican!

                                seriously, we are beyond dysfunctional...we're straight up delusional.

                                and we have the gall to take our military around the world and force, at gun point (or drone bomb) our warped way of governing on the world?

                                height of idiocracy.

                                • 1 vote
                                #4.3 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 3:23 PM EST

                                I guess that you are missing the point. I am talking about the nasty and ridiculous way that people are talking to each other. I'm talking about the fact that more people want to hate on each other, name call and paint all people of a party with the same brush. IT's wrong, you all know that it's wrong so WHY keep it up?? What I am saying is that regardless of political party all Americans need remember that part of our FREEDOM is the fact that we have the right to a choice. One half of the nation is not going to bend over and kiss the behind of the other half of the country regardless of who won and the hate, name calling, disrespecting your fellow American is NOT going to change that. IT's way past time to grow up and basically ask what we can do for our country not what it can do for us. What we ALL can do for a start is to STOP hating each other, stop the ridiculous baiting each other, the name calling etc. All this nastiness is NOT procuctive, not healing the divded nation it's just making it worse. Which are you?? A divider, a hater or a healer?????

                                  #4.4 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 5:10 PM EST

                                  I guess that you are missing the point. I am talking about the nasty and ridiculous way that people are talking to each other. I'm talking about the fact that more people want to hate on each other, name call and paint all people of a party with the same brush.

                                  People are no different than they've ever been. The difference is now there is a huge forum for them to spew their venom and connect with like-minded loons.

                                  The difference now is because people can find others with their absurd ideas they imagine they are correct and the entire rest of the sane world is wrong.

                                  One of the biggest problems we have today is that everyone imagines their "say" is equal. They can be contributing nothing to society or anything else but they think they can voice their opinion loudly and proudly.

                                  Lindsey Lohan comes to mind and her endorsement of Romney. First it says she's an idiot because she'd be locked up if Romney won and secondly, who cares what she thinks about anything.

                                  • 2 votes
                                  #4.5 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 6:01 PM EST

                                  The insane woman who tried to crush her husband with the family car has been stoked up with the right wing hate-propaganda of Limbaugh, Beck, and FOX. When will these irresponsible liars stop hiding behind the First Amendment and cease their encouragement of feeble minded conservatives to do stupid things? Even Donald Trump got into the act by calling for a "revolution" and an assault on the White House after Romney lost the election. This is crazy,

                                  The right wing lunatic fringe needs to understand America is rejecting their failed political ideology because it is founded on hatred, intolerance, selfishness, and violence. The woman who ran over her husband exemplifies the image of the typical conservative perfectly.

                                  • 3 votes
                                  #4.6 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 6:21 PM EST

                                  mj- I could get behind what you said up until the last two sentences. Then you stopped making any sense at all. First Lindsay Lohan nor Romney have single thing to do with the topic of this article. 2nd we are in America where we have the freedom to belong/not belong to any party we like. Plenty of people with differing ideas are perfectly sane, hardworking taxpaying, contributors to society, good parents who raise great kids etc.. etc.. To insist that you can't be the above and be republican or independent is quite foolish and just shows the ignorance, hate, immaturity etc.. of the person(s) saying so. IF this is what you think all people of this country should be like, act like then I truly pity you. This means that you are against any personal freedoms, beliefs, ideas, opinions etc.. that don;t coincide with yours. It means that to fit in, belong you have to espouse the exact same things as your neighbor, behave the same, believe the same etc.. that's not freedom. That sounds like communism. That makes you exactly what you claim to despies. Makes you sound exactly like what you say republicans are.

                                  "People are no different than they ever were." ???? Guess you just now feel free to spew hate?

                                    #4.7 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 10:47 PM EST
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                                    Comment author avatarArcturusExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

                                    This slobbering, animal hatred of Obama brings out a special kind of nut, and those with a right-ward bent are especially susceptible to this derangement.

                                    • 49 votes
                                    Reply#5 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 9:50 AM EST
                                    Comment author avatarRTyp0Expand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

                                    Stupid Tea Baggers.. I blame Fox "News" for this sort of hysteria.

                                    • 35 votes
                                    #5.1 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 10:02 AM EST

                                    ...and there's absolutely no hatred, animosity or stupidity on the part of you lefties who make these ridiculous comments!

                                    • 8 votes
                                    #5.2 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 10:28 AM EST

                                    No kidding. Hysteria is the right word here. I've overheard people at work saying some ridiculous things along these same lines. Genuine terror stricken fear that having a democratic president is going to doom the country. What kind of political BSery have these guys been listening to? I didn't like it when Bush was elected twice...but I never thought he would ruin the country.

                                    • 10 votes
                                    #5.3 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 10:35 AM EST

                                    Tony
                                    Are you kidding? You condemn 'lefties' when a woman runs over her husband for not voting for Romney??

                                    They are right, the right-wing media has turned a whole lot of people into idiots who won't think for themselves. It's not the Democrats or the President who has divided the country. It's Fox, Limbaugh and their ilk who preach divisive politics. They incite hatred and fear that those 'other' people are 'taking over' their country. Give me a break!!

                                    I'm 61 years old and have never seen things like this. Even during the Civil Rights movement. I find it sad and frightening that so many simply refuse to accept the democratic process of voting and the results of that process. Sheesh!!!

                                    • 15 votes
                                    #5.4 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 10:38 AM EST

                                    There was general fear mongering form the left that predicted gloom, destruction, and total apocylapse of the U.S. had Romney won.

                                    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bA9q1fHRsWg&feature=related

                                    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kY9_WLLuhB4

                                    Yes, the left also played into this fear mongering.

                                    • 4 votes
                                    #5.5 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 10:40 AM EST

                                    People who vote republican do seem to be more angry than the average American.

                                    • 13 votes
                                    #5.6 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 10:40 AM EST

                                    "..and there's absolutely no hatred, animosity or stupidity on the part of you lefties who make these ridiculous comments!"

                                    More like disgust.

                                    • 3 votes
                                    #5.7 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 11:06 AM EST

                                    That kind of sick and hateful attitude is FAR WORSE than anything you are accusing others. This attitude just shows the so-call dem party right fighters for the hypocrites you are. You go there Arcturus, way to keep your "derangement" and hate going and YOUR desire to keep this country divided is clear for all to see!!!

                                    • 2 votes
                                    #5.8 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 12:42 PM EST

                                    This slobbering, animal hatred of Obama brings out a special kind of nut, and those with a right-ward bent are especially susceptible to this derangement.

                                    There is nothing that needs to be added here.

                                    • 1 vote
                                    #5.9 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 4:34 PM EST
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                                    Comment author avatarNoMore***Expand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

                                    At least obamacare will take care of him. Oh wait, he's not worth saving, pull the plug.

                                    • 6 votes
                                    Reply#6 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 9:51 AM EST

                                    Why, exactly, is he not worth saving?

                                    • 10 votes
                                    #6.1 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 9:53 AM EST

                                    Why yes, the wife is lucky that the President, the one that she was in such despair when he won, did pass the Affordable Health Care Act - since if he died, she would be charged with murder

                                    • 9 votes
                                    #6.2 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 10:07 AM EST

                                    Sorry but even without Obamacare, he would have been treated. I really love how people want to claim that without Obamacare people would have no access to health care. I have never known anyone that was turned away from a hospital because they don't have health insurance.

                                    • 4 votes
                                    #6.3 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 10:26 AM EST

                                    Oh Donna, you aren't too bright are you? I love how you wing nutz think that all because a hospital won't turn away someone that somehow that person will not get billed for the care. Uninsured persons are billed at a vastly higher amount than insured individuals that go to the ER.

                                    The issue isn't getting the care, its affording it. Are you too dense to understand this?

                                    But hey, don't let that bit of reality get in the way of your irrational hate.

                                    • 16 votes
                                    #6.4 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 10:32 AM EST

                                    Because, Johnson. Many of the left feel that unless you are in tune with their political ideology, then you don't deserve to live. You are a traitor to the nation and the party. Long live lenin. Whoops.

                                    • 5 votes
                                    #6.5 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 10:41 AM EST

                                    JXC
                                    Not only would he be treated but if he can't pay the bill we taxpayers get to foot the bill. I just don't get how the party of 'responsibility' (the GOP) can be against requiring people to exercise personal responsibility by requiring someone to have insurance so the rest of us don't have to pick up the bill.

                                    • 6 votes
                                    #6.6 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 10:49 AM EST

                                    "no more filbert

                                    Because, Johnson. Many of the left feel that unless you are in tune with their political ideology, then you don't deserve to live. You are a traitor to the nation and the party. Long live lenin. Whoops."

                                    I thougt it was republicans that say if you can't afford health insurance, it's your own problem and to let them die. Most liberals don't have the ideology you are describing. That is the Republican way of thinking. Remember, it's republicans that always talk of how they are patriots and need to take the country back. Back from who? Other Americancs? It's all of our country and because Republicans aren't getting their way now some want to secede. Really? Who is the traitor? How many petitions did Liberals put forth to secede when Bush was elected twice? Who is the traitor to the nation again? Really?

                                    • 7 votes
                                    #6.7 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 11:06 AM EST

                                    filbert...

                                    It was Ron Paul that wants people to die in the gutter, and Republicans want health care to be allowed to become as expensive as the market can bear. That means a simultaneous equation that allows for the most profit with the least care, same as letting them die in the gutter.

                                    • 3 votes
                                    #6.8 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 11:10 AM EST

                                    The pre-exisiting condition portion of Obamacare doesn't kick in until 2014. Any injuires this man sustains won't be covered by Obamacare and this woman, unless she currently has some damned good insurance, will get likely little to no mental health care. Drangonmaster, you call health insurance affordable now??? I know many people who have no insurance at all. Many of these people are our youth starting out in jobs that make not much over minimum wage. Yet they make too much to qualify for state health insurance, food stamps and a whole host of other government programs so they live under the poverty line anyway and pay taxes while the welfare mommies they went to school with live better than they do! I have, unfortunately, a brother-in-law who is one of those government supported "takers" of this world. He's turning 50 this year, has maybe in all his life worked a total of 5 years, never lived away from mommy for more than 6 months at a time, is a habitual petty thief and drug user. HE was born with one leg slightly shorter than the other but refused to wear a shoe with a lift to even his gait so his goal was to get social security and sponge. They wouldn't give it to him for that. However, he found a shrink that helped get him SS. The shrink blamed his shoplifting on "black outs" so he's NOT responsible for his actions. Now he get's SS, food stamps and medical insurance. Then to top it off there is a program for criminals like him to help them get back on their feet by providing FREE RENT". That's right, he's as I write this, moving into an apartment that rents for $700 a month and this program is paying ALL the rent for the next year! Yet people who work their butts off are still home living with parents or other family because they can't pay that $700 a month, car insurance, car payments, feed themselves, buy the necessities AND PAY FOR HEALTH INSURANCE at the same time.Then people have the ballls to wonder why many of us are upset with FREEBIE loving, entitlement living people of this country!!!

                                      #6.9 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 1:25 PM EST
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                                      From BBC - other crazy Repbulicans:

                                      More than 100,000 Americans have petitioned the White House to allow their states to secede from the US, after President Barack Obama's re-election.

                                      The appeals were filed on the White House's We the People website.

                                      Most of the 20 states with petitions voted for Republican Mitt Romney.

                                      The US constitution contains no provisions for states to secede from the union. By Monday night the White House had not responded.

                                      In total, more than 20 petitions have been filed. One for Texas has reached the 25,000-signature threshold at which the White House promises a response.

                                      • 6 votes
                                      #7 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 9:53 AM EST

                                      Big whoop. A hundred thousand angry white guys. They can form a country called Talk Radio

                                      • 45 votes
                                      #7.1 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 9:57 AM EST

                                      Hey... I say let 'em go; let them have their own country.

                                      Then build the border fence.

                                      • 20 votes
                                      #7.2 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 10:00 AM EST

                                      Apparently,

                                      These people don't understand what it means to be American. You don't run away from problems, you try to come together with your fellow citizens and fix them.

                                      A bunch of cowards... and I'm ashamed to read that my home, Colorado, is among them.

                                      • 33 votes
                                      #7.3 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 10:00 AM EST
                                      Comment author avatarappalachianExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

                                      They are just the last gasp of the tea-tards as they sink into irrelevancy.

                                      • 20 votes
                                      #7.4 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 10:17 AM EST

                                      unfortunately, some of these loopy-loos are from my state. they're welcome to personally secede and leave the country.

                                      • 14 votes
                                      #7.5 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 10:24 AM EST

                                      When the south lost the civil war in 1865 there were provisions stated in the surrender that they werent allowed to secede from the union unless permission was granted by the president of the United States and congress. So don't expect that to happen anytime soon. Besides, these idiots do not speak for the majority of people in their state(s) and the Texas govt wants to stay within the union

                                      • 6 votes
                                      #7.6 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 10:37 AM EST

                                      Read your comments people! You are the party that wants everybody to be treated equal, share the love, spread the wealth, but you are the ones calling names and putting down the people that don't agree and or think like you...go figure.

                                      • 8 votes
                                      #7.7 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 10:38 AM EST

                                      There were thousands of people threatening to riot if Romney had won. Dozens of celebrities were advocating for themselves and others to move to Canada if Romney had won. There have been calls from many leftists on here to remove all republcians from this country, to have them breed out, to let them all die.

                                      • 6 votes
                                      #7.8 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 10:43 AM EST

                                      Ray, I am offended at being called an "angry white guy". The 48% who voted for Romney are not all angry, not all white and not all guys. I happen to be a very calm, mostly rational, first generation "Brown guy". If you can't come up with a better argument than "angry white guy" then you shouldn't post. Comments like this only show your ignorance.

                                      • 10 votes
                                      #7.9 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 10:44 AM EST

                                      no more filbert:

                                      Provide a link regarding these "thousands of people threatening to riot if Romney had won." Also, "Dozens of celebrities were advocating for themselves and others to move to Canada" does not compare with the 200k plus that are petitioning to secede from the Union. Secede from the U.S. ? Really? It's a moronic thought process to even consider it. As was said before, babies crying over losing instead of using that energy to work together to make the country better. I promise you, throwing a fit won't persuade people that your ideas are better, it will just turn more folks away. But hey I hope they keep up the good work, it will only lead to more losses in the future as I am sure they folks they are trying to attract to their way of thinking probably aren't impressed by the way they are trying to convey their alternative to the ideas that got President Obama reelected.

                                      • 5 votes
                                      #7.10 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 11:01 AM EST

                                      Give them Texas and Utah.....combine the two states....call it Uasses.

                                      • 15 votes
                                      #7.11 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 11:02 AM EST

                                      What does this have to do with the topic of the article?

                                      • 2 votes
                                      #7.12 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 11:02 AM EST

                                      You're right filbert,

                                      "Leftist" were also doing it. And they are just as much cowards as these idiots.

                                      Also, could you please cite any examples of " calls from many leftists on here to remove all republcians [sic] from this country, to have them breed out, to let them all die"?

                                      Thank you.

                                      • 2 votes
                                      #7.13 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 11:06 AM EST

                                      Spare the rod, spoil the child.

                                        #7.14 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 11:54 AM EST

                                        LOL Kevin

                                          #7.15 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 12:23 PM EST

                                          This anger is over the Socialization of America plain and simple.. Since a liberal can't seem to understand the concept of too much government any point in arguing the point is lost.. Sure health care for everyone is a great idea but the way it was implemented is the problem.. I am all for nationalizing the medical industry if it limits what these people that are in the top tiers get for compensation and forces down the exploding costs of supplies and equipment.. Corporations that impede progress so they can rape the population for their hard earned money is another sour point.. Oil companies buy up green technology and stash it away to protect their grip on the energy market and not a single thing is done to stop the practice.. Every American deserves the opportunity for 3 square meals a day.. But getting without contributing is wrong.. Yes there are lots of elderly and infirm people that can't but there are also millions that can but prefer to sit on their a$$es and get a free bee..

                                          • 2 votes
                                          #7.16 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 12:24 PM EST

                                          Ray, I am offended at being called an "angry white guy". The 48% who voted for Romney are not all angry, not all white and not all guys. I happen to be a very calm, mostly rational, first generation "Brown guy". If you can't come up with a better argument than "angry white guy" then you shouldn't post. Comments like this only show your ignorance.

                                          Republicans have spent 5 years on a "Fear of A Black President" campaign. The birther BS, the completely ethnic based insults and attacks... Who do you think all of that caters to? Overwhelmingly, Angry White Guys. Come up with a better argument? When republicans come up with something better than Obama's Kenyan world view and his inability to Understand 'True' Americans is limited by his genetics, which by the way makes him more predisposed towards a socialist agenda.

                                            #7.17 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 12:46 PM EST

                                            Roadrunner0, your rant is round about. The right keeps talking about gov. socialized medicine, but the health care law is based around private insurers, about the furthest thing from socialized health care. The right spent a year saying Obama wanted to put private insurers out of business because they wouldn't be able to compete with a public option. Yes oil companies buy patents to keep competitors out of the market, but something is being done about it. You have the right still defending big oil subsidies and trying to stifle green energy ventures, and even the r&d where government has always made investments and played a part.

                                            If your income is below the threshold for a federal income tax liability, than that's the law. I don't know of many people who want to struggle to get by with the least if the could be better off financially. You can't survive of a welfare check, and you can't get those benefits more than 60 months in your lifetime. You can't get worker's comp without being employed full-time for an extended period of time, and those benefits are temporary and don't come close to wages earned under employment. People on the right argue about people getting off their a$$es and getting a job, and in the same argument will talk about the lack of jobs and who's to blame. This is where your argument totally falls apart and descends into to that same loony tunes right-wing rhetoric that riles up all those people out there who are motivated by something other than common sense or facts.

                                            • 1 vote
                                            #7.18 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 1:09 PM EST

                                            I was shocked to learn my state had a petition and went to look at it. Most of the signatures on it are from out of state and many of those are from southern states. I live in a northern state. A blue state for that matter. The secession petitions are not by constituents of the state they purport to represent but are the work of groups of out state nut jobs. Texas though may be the work of their own since this has been discussed by that state for a long time.

                                              #7.19 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 1:19 PM EST

                                              RoadRunner "This anger is over the Socialization of America plain and simple... .. Yes there are lots of elderly and infirm people that can't but there are also millions that can but prefer to sit on their a$$es and get a free bee.."

                                              I dont know why im even bothering, because I dont think you'd listen to GOD if he was standing right in front of you and told you all of whats true...but here goes:

                                              The bulk of entitlement spending goes to: THE ELDERLY, THE DISABLED, UNEMPLOYMENT INSURANCE

                                              these people worked and paid into these services in order to receive them.

                                              naturally, when you lose 800K jobs a month...thats going to make a real dent in the revenue you are taking in, in order to pay out to all the people who were in the safety net + all the new ones who cant find work and need help.

                                              Obama hasnt raised taxes, just the opposite. Obamacare didnt raise healthcare costs (mine went up the same 8% it's gone up EVERY SINGLE YEAR for the past decade since ive gotten ins through an employer)...and Obama has not spent more in federal dollars (actually less than previous presidents)

                                              SO what gives? Because the facts dont line up with your boogeyman view of the socialization of america.

                                              Since conservatives think conservatives are the hard workers, the job creators, the big business employers - we have to look at them and ask why so many shed jobs only to reap record profits...at a time when americans couldnt afford to lose so many jobs and at a time when the fed and state govts couldnt afford to absorb those folks.

                                              but im sure, it's all the evil democrats fault - simply for existing.

                                              that has to be it.

                                              perhaps, maybe just maybe, there are economic terrorists holding america hostage, to get exactly what they want - and they happen to called "job creators" and they happen to own washington, and we all happen to be screwed...and thus was born a Corporate Facist State...

                                              congrats, you helped build that.

                                              • 1 vote
                                              #7.20 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 3:43 PM EST

                                              Stull, your absolutely right. It's pretty sickening that this party of "enlightment" fairness for all blah, blah, blah thinks it's ok to generalize against ALL who disagree with them. They think it's OK to continue all the hate filled put downs, lies and exagerations. Is this what they expected a democrat win to look like?? IF you disagree with us you then are one or more of the long list of ridiculous, nasty childish things that want to call you?? EXPLAIN please just how this behavior makes dems any different at all then they say republicans and independents are??? Hypocrisy at work??? Is the reason why I changed my voter registartion from dem to Independent. Both parties are just as disgusting and hatefilled as the other.

                                              • 1 vote
                                              #7.21 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 5:25 PM EST
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                                              I've heard of the G.O.P. voter suppression efforts, but voter flattening is a new one on me.

                                              This is another Kool-Aid drinker who's let the wingnuts convince her that we're being taxed to death (actually, lowest rates in my lifetime), that the Obama Administration is spending at an unprecedented rate (actually, lowest rate of increase in Federal spending of any President in the last 30 years), that Obamacare is a "government takeover of health care" (actually just a collection of changes in how health insurance is regulated), that Obama is a socialist (if he is, that would make Reagan a communist, and Eisenhower a bomb-throwing Marxist), that they're going to take away everyone's guns (nonsense), that FEMA is building concentration camps for dissenters (paranoid delusion), etc., etc.

                                              Low-information voters are a problem, but voters whose heads are full of flat-out absurdities are a positive danger to the republic.

                                              • 49 votes
                                              Reply#8 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 9:54 AM EST

                                              You may need to pick a newspaper or maybe browse around the internet for a little while. But this administration is responsible for more debt that all Presidents before him not named GWB. That's a fact. There is also no end in sight, since this same administration predicts that the national debt will be over $20 Trillion before he leaves office, and that will mean he would have racked up more debt than all the other Presidents combined. Heck, this administration can't even get 1 vote for its own budget proposel and is to inept to get the Democratically controlled Senate to even bring another budget proposal up for a vote.

                                              • 3 votes
                                              #8.1 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 11:26 AM EST

                                              Nick Nick Nick, another parrot making a complete fool of himself with his "facts". Not a fact in your tirade hon.

                                              • 3 votes
                                              #8.2 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 12:25 PM EST

                                              Umm... NO Shellie those were actual facts. Lets see, When Bush took office the total US debt was $5.63 Trillion. When Obama took office the total US debt was $9.99 Trillion and today the total US debt is $16.25 Trillion. So from President Wahsington throught President Clinton the US accumulated $5.63 Trillion in total debt and under President Obama we have accumulated an additional $6.26 Trillion. Not sure where you went to school but $6.26 T is larger that $5.63 T.

                                              Also, if the national debt hits $20 Trillion prior to Obama leaving office then at a minimum we would have accumulated $10 Trillion in debt under Obama and last I checked is greater than the $9.99 Trillion we had when he took office.

                                              • 1 vote
                                              #8.3 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 12:37 PM EST

                                              I tried to post some links but this site will not let me. But I am sure you know how to google right? The links would have been the following, the first one about the debt and the second one is about the Senate rejecting Obama's 2013 budget 99-0 and his 2012 budget 97-0. The third link is about the last time the Democratically controlled Senate passed a Budget. FYI is was April 29, 2009.

                                                #8.4 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 12:53 PM EST

                                                Nick,

                                                I am able to google too. Here is how the debt has been accumulated over the last 7 adminstrations:

                                                Obama ----------------------------------------… 2.4 Trillion
                                                GW Bush------------------------------------… 6.1 Trillion
                                                Clinton-------------------------------… 1.4 Trillion
                                                G Bush------------------------------------… 1.5 Trillion
                                                Reagan--------------------------------… 1.9 Trillion
                                                Carter--------------------------------… 0.4 Trillion
                                                Before Carter----------------------------------… 0.6 Trillion
                                                http://www.extremeskins.com/showthread.p…

                                                The biggest contributers to the national debt (in order of importance) are:
                                                1) The poor economy. Revenues go down as companies make less in profits and as people earn less. Government spending (unemployment insurance, food stamps, bailouts for Wall Street) go up.
                                                2) The Bush-Obama tax cuts. These wiped out Clinton's surplus.
                                                3) Wars. We haven't begun to pay for the wars in Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, etc.
                                                4) Give-away to drug companies. Thank you, W.
                                                5) The stimulus. The stimulus helped, but it was too small and didn't last long enough. It contributed to the debt, but without the stimulus, the economy would have been much worse.

                                                Sources: Department of the Treasury, Financial Management Service, Bureau of the Public Debt; Federal Reserve Bank of New York; Office of Management and Budget

                                                • 1 vote
                                                #8.5 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 1:45 PM EST

                                                JM I cant find any links to support your numbers at all. The total debt was $9.99 Trillion the day Obama took office. It is now $16.25 Trillion. So clearly your numbers can't be correct and they do not even add up. Your link goes to a Washington Redskins page.

                                                I will address you top 5 reasons though.

                                                1. Yeah we have a poor economy and it impacts government revenues.

                                                2. No the tax cuts did not wipe out Clinton's surplus. The surplus never even really existed. The CBO projected in 2001 there would be a surplus after 10 years, but lets not forgot about the DOTCOM bubble burst and the 911 terrorist attacks. Also, when is the last time a CBO projection was even half right? I can't think of one. Actully the CBO also incorrectly projected the Bush Tax cuts would take in $75 Billion less revenue in 2006, but what actually happended? Well revenues were actually up $48 Billion. Huh, how could that be true? Since tax cuts do not spur econimic growth or do they? History tells me that they do.

                                                3. Yeah wars cost money, and I personally think war is a necessary evil but only as a last result. I ultimately do not agree with Iraq or Afghanastan war. But I realize I probably don't have of the necessary info to make a truly informed decision and I tend to leave that up to our supposed leaders.

                                                4. Yeah I hated that as well. That was one of many GWB screw ups.

                                                5. The stimulus gave the illusion of helping short term, but long term it just puts of the inevetiable and probably makes it a little worse.

                                                6. You left out the finiancal crisis which crippled our economy and caused this mess to begin with. Lets see that started in 2007 and something important happend that year. Oh yeah, Democrats took control of both Houses of Congress. Then the Democrates said Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were just fine, even though GWB wanted them to be reformed predicting the collapse. This is the only thing I believe GWB got right in his 8 years by the way.

                                                  #8.6 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 2:20 PM EST

                                                  JM, I did a little research and I now see how your GWB number is artificially high. You counted the national debt until the end of the fiscal year which would be September 2009. Well that's not really fair since Obama was President for 9 months of that time period. Also remember the stimilus was passed during those 9 months under Obama and you are clearly shifting an enormous about of debt from the Obama administration to the Bush administration. Come on now, let's at least be intellectually honest even if we disagree on ideas.

                                                    #8.7 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 2:35 PM EST

                                                    And this article is about...voter suppression?, socialism?, fema?, or wait....it's about ONE WOMAN with some serious mental health issues who attacked her husband with a vehicle!!!! Why is it turned it a democrats rant about who much they actively HATE anyone who disagree with them????? Let me ask a whole lot of folks posting here today one question and let's see if you can answer it honestly...Take a good long hard look at the things you've written about your fellow Americans. Then ask yourself would you have any qualms about letting your children..(especially your grade school children) read the hatefull things that you've said???????

                                                      #8.8 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 6:30 PM EST

                                                      skrewdworld

                                                      I'm sorry to say it (I'm really not sorry), but you're wrong.

                                                      Since I became interested in politics, I've always surrounded myself with people from across the spectrum, politically speaking. I enjoy talking to them because it's good to hear that both sides in fact have some good ideas, and it's fun to argue with both sides.. It also always good to run into those more moderate voices out there that can actually give some kind of perspective w/o flying into a rage.

                                                      That being said, I find that active HATE (as you put it) is so much more common from my buddies on the right. The go so far to talk about assassinations, about civil wars, about secession(that's a little more mainstream now) and just a number of remarks that I would say is closer to HATE than anything I've heard from my buddies on the left. From those on the left I seem to run into more disbelief than anything else.

                                                      Just something I've noticed that directly contradicts what you're going on about over there.

                                                      I don't even want to imagine if the tables were turned, and this had been a democratic woman that did this. I'm sure you'll say how civil you all would be. Yeah, right.

                                                      • 1 vote
                                                      #8.9 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 7:15 PM EST

                                                      Secondbrother Don't beleive any of my comments were directed at you so not sure why you feel the need to go after my post. ALL that I asked was for people to read the crude, nasy and for the most part untrue things that they said about people with different view than theirs and ask themselves one question....Would you have a problem letting your children read the stuff you wrote?? Would you look at your child and beam with pride while they read the horrible things that were said??

                                                      Until you answer my question with truth, honesty and maturity don't bother to call me out as you did in your last line. You got a straight grown up answer to my question rather than continuing to behave in the manner that I'm calling people on then you can talk to me about that last line. Don't expect that your up to the challenge but I could be wrong. You did start out saying I was wrong even thought the truth is the article has nothing to do with the things you are talking about. You have a real nice day now!!!

                                                        #8.10 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 11:03 PM EST
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                                                        If this guy is anything like my brother in law (does not vote, unemployed, listens to Rush Limpbaugh and FOX Boobs day and night, constantly pontificating his vast political wisdom and anti-Obama flatulent fallacies) I don't blame Holly one bit.

                                                        • 9 votes
                                                        Reply#9 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 9:55 AM EST
                                                        Comment author avatarBob-3241043Expand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

                                                        The Great ConTard crack up begins!

                                                        BWAH HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA

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                                                        Reply#10 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 9:55 AM EST

                                                        The vote would not have mattered, as Mittens easily won AZ.

                                                        This does go to show how clueless the right wing nuts in AZ really are!

                                                        • 22 votes
                                                        Reply#11 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 9:57 AM EST

                                                        Actually, it's a bit surprising that in AZ, a gun wasn't involved....

                                                        • 12 votes
                                                        #11.1 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 9:57 AM EST

                                                        Maybe if they had super strict gun control laws, they could just go the way of Chicago.

                                                        • 5 votes
                                                        #11.2 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 10:44 AM EST
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                                                        um....romney WON arizona so I think she just wanted to kill her husband or she is really stupid or probably both.....

                                                        • 17 votes
                                                        Reply#12 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 9:57 AM EST

                                                        Yes, and she has close set eyes. You always have to watch out for people who look like that.

                                                        • 1 vote
                                                        #12.1 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 2:28 PM EST
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                                                        Comment author avatarJeannieW-1271355Expand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

                                                        The man's vote would have made absolutely NO difference. This is yet another sign of the insanity that is the Republican party! (Unless there is more going on here than the 2012 election...hmmmmm...)

                                                        • 11 votes
                                                        Reply#13 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 9:57 AM EST

                                                        I noticed something about Romney's voters this year that I had not noticed in previous years in either party....they are nuckin' futs!! I had Romney supporters filling my Facebook page with such hatred and vicious nastiness that they made my choice VERY easy. I heard Obama was the anti-christ, Obama was in cahoots with Lybia, Obama ate puppies...you name it, I heard it! Here I am, a staunch Republican, and my own fiends made me really look at the guy who was running in my party, and what I found scared the crap out of me. And now these nutjobs are trying to secede from the country and they are running down their spouses! Makes me VERY happy that Romney did NOT get elected...and this coming from a dyed-in-the-wool Republican!

                                                        • 27 votes
                                                        Reply#14 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 9:59 AM EST

                                                        Without a doubt, these wingnuts helped get Obama reelected. I know a lot of people who were always staunch Republicans that turned away from the party because they no longer wanted to be associated with the teaparty, the NRA, the Ron Paul supporters, the libertarians, etc, etc. The 47% talk straight off FoxNews, the moronic rape comments, attempts to discourage voters, self-deportation, talk about secession, and the almost daily political suicide talk proved to much of the American public that what is left of this party cannot be allowed to govern. There is no where but down unless the GOP disassociates itself from the mental unbalance now prevalent within its ranks. Whoever has the courage and leadership to pull that off should be the next president.

                                                        • 7 votes
                                                        #14.1 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 10:50 AM EST

                                                        And I read the tweets about people killing Romney, rioting in the streets, etc. if obama lost. Typical Dems.

                                                        • 4 votes
                                                        #14.2 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 11:06 AM EST

                                                        @wes-613172

                                                        Can you cite a source to support your comment?

                                                        Dems pretty much police their own.

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                                                        #14.3 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 11:26 AM EST

                                                        Come on now United...you know that's a load of pure BS.

                                                          #14.4 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 6:36 PM EST
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                                                          Sounds like a marital problem and voting was just an excuse to flatten him.

                                                          • 8 votes
                                                          Reply#15 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 10:00 AM EST

                                                          When she goes to divorce court, she will swear to the judge his golf clubs and fishing rods are precious family heirlooms she cannot do without.
                                                          Judges being like they are, the judge will agree.

                                                          • 1 vote
                                                          #15.1 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 2:31 PM EST
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                                                          Comment author avatargranny22Expand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

                                                          is this the new republican approach to ''getting out the vote''------it may be the only way to get people to vote republican----karl rove may be behind this.

                                                          • 10 votes
                                                          Reply#16 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 10:01 AM EST

                                                          You were right though. Your family IS facing hardships as a result Pres. Obama being re-elected. BUT, it has absolutely NOTHING to do with the POTUS. You created the hardship that will now affect your family. Don't use the Pres. as an idiotic excuse because you're stupid. Again, if you're not making at least 2 mil a year you were going to face more difficult hardships with Romney at the helm. But now I guess all you have to worry about is which female brute will make you her bitch!

                                                          • 12 votes
                                                          Reply#17 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 10:02 AM EST

                                                          You created the hardship that will now affect your family.

                                                          nope...she didnt build that.............

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                                                          #17.1 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 10:34 AM EST

                                                          Luscious-

                                                          I've read your post three times now, and it still makes about as much sense as what this woman did to her husband,

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                                                          #17.2 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 10:54 AM EST
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                                                          idiot logic "the president won our state but you didnt vote so hes the president now even though he won the popular vote by more than just your 1 vote so i guess ill hit you with a car since its your fault he got elected"

                                                          now you see why i dont live in red states

                                                          • 2 votes
                                                          Reply#18 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 10:02 AM EST

                                                          read article not headline. romney won az.

                                                          • 4 votes
                                                          #18.1 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 10:35 AM EST
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                                                          Wow. You would think Obama was elected President for life. It's only 4 years folks. The country will not crumble in four years. Your life will not be destroyed because of a Presidential term. Stop being a whiner and become a survivor. I tend to vote democrat but I am sure my life would not have ended if Mitt Romney had won. No matter what the outcome, I would just soldier on and continue to do what I have to do to support my family and keep us moving forward. Folks need to get a life. Don't you folks remember how you were told the sky would fall if Obama was elected to a first term. Guess what? Your still here. Just keep doing what you have to do to improve your future. If you truly have drive and intestinal fortitude you will be fine. I am better off than I was four years ago. I have full-time job with benefits instead of temping all the time. But guess what, if I was still temping, I would still be moving forward and doing what I have to do to survive. Stop whining, I have been to foreign countries. Third world countries and believe me, at our worst we are living far better than a good portion of the world's population. STOP ALL THE INCESSANT WHINING!!!!

                                                          • 19 votes
                                                          Reply#19 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 10:02 AM EST

                                                          Wrong, He has been undermining the USA for four years and covered it up with irrelevant talk. Four more years is plenty of time to send us into the toilet and remake us as the USSA.

                                                          • 8 votes
                                                          #19.1 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 10:09 AM EST

                                                          Gee I wonder what it is about Obama that fuels hatred on a level not seen for any other president.

                                                          On the lighter side, this really puts the "Vote or die" mobilization campaign in perspective, doesn't it.

                                                          • 10 votes
                                                          #19.2 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 10:10 AM EST

                                                          Michael - I'm pretty sure there was an equal hatred of Bush.

                                                          • 6 votes
                                                          #19.3 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 10:23 AM EST

                                                          Brian
                                                          I'm sure Bush was hated too. But Bush was hated for his policies. And no matter how much those of us on the left may have disliked his policies we NEVER went to the lengths the far right is going. At least we accepted the fact that he was POTUS. The pure hatred for the current President isn't based on his policies. And it's fueled by the right-wing media.

                                                          There is most certainly a difference this time around and it's sad and frightening.

                                                          • 11 votes
                                                          #19.4 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 11:04 AM EST

                                                          Hate and fear seems to be all they have to sell.

                                                          We heard all the same gloom and doom when Clinton was in office and the folks who don't get facts for them selves bite the hook, line and sinker.

                                                          • 1 vote
                                                          #19.5 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 11:17 AM EST

                                                          dsb - Trying to justify one hate as more righteous than another?

                                                          • 1 vote
                                                          #19.6 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 11:19 AM EST

                                                          Amen...Amen! To Portcityjames comment.

                                                            #19.7 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 11:42 AM EST

                                                            The difference I think was that Bush hatred was based on facts of what he was likely to do, and did do. Not totally made up craziness we see with Obama haters.

                                                            • 3 votes
                                                            #19.8 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 11:59 AM EST

                                                            You are right PortCity. My daughter asked what will we do if Romney wins? And it was an easy response; "we survived 8 years of Bush and we will survive no matter who is in office" Americans just keep going

                                                              #19.9 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 9:10 PM EST
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                                                              Till election do us part.

                                                              Good Grief!

                                                              • 5 votes
                                                              Reply#20 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 10:05 AM EST

                                                              OBama flat out stole the election, as we expected, and the Republicans just folded as noisebox trumpets the "fiscal cliff" and the Petraeus indescretion. The election was a monumental farce.

                                                              • 3 votes
                                                              Reply#21 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 10:06 AM EST

                                                              He "stole" it? That's hilarious. I guess Rush is now sharing his meds with his audience.

                                                              • 27 votes
                                                              #21.1 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 10:11 AM EST

                                                              Is that you Donald Trump?

                                                              • 25 votes
                                                              #21.2 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 10:12 AM EST

                                                              I'm not familiar - how did President Obama steal the election? On the Washington Post - it shows Mitt Romney had 472 million spent in ads, while the President spent 396 million

                                                              Please just accept the fact that the American people did not want Mitt Romney and his policies

                                                              • 27 votes
                                                              #21.3 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 10:13 AM EST

                                                              Gee what a surprise. A sore loser Republican. Who would have thought? LOL. Haven't you heard? This sort of crap is passe.

                                                              "We the people" took America back, and if it wasn't for the redistricting the GOP did, we would have taken the House as well. No matter, its only two more years till the mid-terms. The Republicans in the House had better shape up or we are voting them out in 2014 as well.

                                                              • 19 votes
                                                              #21.4 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 10:21 AM EST

                                                              Really. I am sure that you didn't vote for the Republicans in the House in the first place so I am sure that you aren't going to be able to vote them out in 2014. As for sore loser Republicans, I can guarantee you that if Romney would have won we would have seen as many (if not more) sore loser Democrats. Grow up. Neither side is any better than the other side. We have a two party system for a reason.

                                                              • 7 votes
                                                              #21.5 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 10:32 AM EST

                                                              Donna P-2692688 said:

                                                              I am sure that you didn't vote for the Republicans in the House in the first place so I am sure that you aren't going to be able to vote them out in 2014.

                                                              I guess you have troubles with reading comprehension Donna. I never said "I" or "me", I said "we". The only way your little rant becomes valid is if I were only talking about myself instead of the voters of America. Yes, you only changed a few little words, but the entire validity of your post hinges on said words.

                                                              What you basically did was put words in my mouth and then went on a silly rant chastizing me for things I never said or implied. How stupid is that? I mean, everyone can see what I really said plain as day. You people are so blind to truth its.... bizarre

                                                              • 9 votes
                                                              #21.6 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 10:43 AM EST

                                                              The GOP doesn't seem to understand that all their hate for Obama is turning their moderate party faithful to not vote. They didn't turn out like all the hate mongers believed they would and one other tiny thing, the vote came out exactly as the polls predicted didn't they.

                                                              • 8 votes
                                                              #21.7 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 10:57 AM EST

                                                              Once again they have proven my point - dumb a$$ people never have any problem proving just how dumb they are. It just comes natural.

                                                              • 3 votes
                                                              #21.8 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 11:18 AM EST

                                                              Whine on, losers, but blame the GOP.

                                                              You lost because Romney/Ryan was such a godawful prospect that they turned out voters for Obama who wouldn't have even bothered to register had the GOP come up with a better ticket.

                                                              You lot keep shooting yourselves in the foot and then crying that it's someone else's fault.

                                                              • 2 votes
                                                              #21.9 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 1:30 PM EST

                                                              @ rightturn. Funny. The republicans cheated, tried to supress the vote, made up their own polls, spent 1 billion dollars, lied to themselves and the American people, yet Obama stole the election? People like you are the reason the Republican Party was rejected. You make up your own "truth" and then hate anyone who doesn't agree with your delusions.

                                                              The good news is this. Obamacare covers psychological issues such as the one's you and this woman apparently share!

                                                              • 1 vote
                                                              #21.10 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 1:44 PM EST
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                                                              Should frustrated Republicans be allowed to have driver's licenses?

                                                              • 8 votes
                                                              Reply#22 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 10:06 AM EST

                                                              Nope. We should enact laws that only affect people of certain party lines. I know of a few countries that have done this in the past.

                                                                #22.1 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 10:46 AM EST

                                                                Don't even know what this crazytea bagger bitch was upset about? Romney won her State --without this guys vote! Would not have made a differenct if her husband voted three time -- This is what happens when you allow the mental defective to drive!!

                                                                  #22.2 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 11:19 AM EST

                                                                  Oh get over yourself already. That's just being immature and silly. One woman ran over her husband. I'm sure you'd love to say repubicans as a whole are going to try to run over you next but that wouldn't make it true.

                                                                    #22.3 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 11:16 PM EST
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                                                                    This is what happens when you allow extremist talk radio and shallow political pundits to shape your views. Some people have gotten too lazy to think for themselves.

                                                                    • 18 votes
                                                                    Reply#23 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 10:08 AM EST

                                                                    Wait till she finds out that after she gets convicted of this fellony, she will no longer be alowed to vote.

                                                                    • 30 votes
                                                                    Reply#24 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 10:09 AM EST

                                                                    Good one Larry.. hahahahahaha!

                                                                    • 1 vote
                                                                    #24.1 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 1:47 PM EST
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                                                                    I can see the 2016 election already: Vote for Us or We'll Shoot You. (Sponsored by the NRA.)

                                                                    • 15 votes
                                                                    Reply#25 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 10:09 AM EST

                                                                    Who got shot? The NRA doesn't sell cars.

                                                                    • 2 votes
                                                                    #25.1 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 11:14 AM EST

                                                                    Another victim of the Conservative Entertainment Complex (Fox News - Rush - Glen Beck).

                                                                    Although not sure whether to classify the Husband as the only victim. She can definitely be classified as one of many "Non-Critical Thinkers".

                                                                    One side note....even if he had voted - the outcome would have been the same.

                                                                    • 5 votes
                                                                    #25.2 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 11:27 AM EST

                                                                    That's what you call a valid view point??? Most of the posters here would make perfect republicans!!! You behave exactly the way you SAY they all do!!!!

                                                                      #25.3 - Tue Nov 13, 2012 11:18 PM EST
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