In reality---YES he did---but the LIAR will say different!

@rumble;

The generals and the SOD would be advising Obama. The CIA was told to stand down not the military.

Petreaus should answer this question tomorrow. The advisement of the military was not to go in, this is from two regional generals and our SOD,not Obama.

To stay on the team, they say what they are told to say by their commander in chief. They take orders from him. They understand how it works and don't want to take a fall like Petreaus. When you come to understand the game you will understand the tricks and treachery.

RumbleNut--

Given the number of conspiracy theorists out there (of which you seem to be one) claiming this nonsense, please explain to me what benefit President Obama could possibly have gained from ordering security to stand down during this attack?? What is/was the supposed rationale??

Lol that is hilarious. Talk about a circular argument.

Did Person A said Y?

If Yes then Burn Person A

If No, Person B said that Person A said X

Then,

Well Person B will say anything for Person A,

Burn Person A.

Its like you people have already made up your mind based on fox news cast.

You people are the reason Obama got elected, your so narrow minded that nobody wants to be associated with you.

@rumble;

To stay on the team, they say what they are told to say by their commander in chief. They take orders from him.

Umm they were informing the president sir,not vice versa. So are you saying you as president would go against this advisement against two generals and your SOD, and send troops into what they are telling you is an unkown fluid situation at night?

Just because you are over someone does not mean you do not listen to someone who has many more years experience than you in these situations.

When you come to understand the game you will understand the tricks and treachery.

I do not understand this statement. What time or need did they have for tricks and treachery?

Patraeus should be tried for treason! Because this chick wanted to write his biography WHILE @!$%#ing him makes me think she might be a spy! There is something very wrong here!!

To you right wingers.......its not Obamas' fault!!!!

All that classified material in the hands of some horney woman! Viagra is gonna destroy this here nation!

Maybe they should just waterboard him and get him to spill the truth of it all. He could arrive at the congressional hearing tomorrow a little wet but perhaps more cooperative. Then we can finally find the answer to this mess!

Ah...lovely dream.....

President Obama is the Captain of the ship and chose the officer, the president is responsible by default. I'm sure there were clues to this character flaw which I suspect were not a detriment but an attribute in him getting the position. His resignation so quickly is a cover up of a larger issue, but in the grand scheme of things, it won't be the only straw on the camels back. That camel has got to break one of these days.

, @history;

the president is responsible by default.

Granted, even he has said this apresient must take responsibilty for the good and the bad under his watch. What gets me is when people say he did not care, or these deaths are directly his fault, they were inept, and they are covering things up. This is ridiculous.

His resignation so quickly is a cover up of a larger issue,

There is nothing to really left to cover up sir.lol The burning question is who told the CIA to stand down. I am waiting with baited breath.

To you right wingers.......its not Obamas' fault!!!!

amazing how absolutly NOTHING ever is isnt it............

get use to repeating that, you will be useing it ALLOT over the next few years...........

YES!

Petraeus's last medal "got snatch under fire" /*\.

Shirtless agent? The poor guy next to him has no arms.

RumbleNut "And now, to get back to the real question at hand, did Bronco Bama tell military personnel to stand down?"

He'll claim 'Executive Privilege', just like he did with the 'Fast and Furious' gun running scheme where he's trying to protect his buddy - Eric Holder. I guess he was too young to remember the lessons of 'Tricky Dick Nixon'.

I suspect that Holder will soon be leaving as a scapegoat for both 'Fast and Furious' and for supposedly not telling Obama about the months long investigation into Petraeus until the 'day after the election'. When Holder is charged with 'lying to Congress', Obama can pardon him.

This supposed 'transparent' Administration is the most secretive and corrupt in a long time (since Nixon), but then Obama did come from Chicago, where corruption is a long accepted practice for public officials.

RRS in MN "please explain to me what benefit President Obama could possibly have gained from ordering security to stand down during this attack?? What is/was the supposed rationale??"

1 - Incompetence.

2 - It would unmask the false narrative that 'al Qaida is on the ropes'.

3 - He had a fundraiser in Las Vegas to attend.

What I'd like to know is - If the intelligence experts knew it was a planned terrorist attack the very next day (which the confirmed under oath to Congress), then why did Obama send his U N Ambassador (Susan Rice) to five different talk shows almost a week later to claim that it was a 'spontaneous reaction to a video'? And why did Obama continue to claim that he didn't know that it was a terrorist attack when he appeared on 'The View' TWO WEEK AFTER THE ATTACK?

@ Coral Taxi: Bronco Bama knew days before this happened that they were in danger so it shouldn't have come as a surprise to him or the generals when it happened and they should've prepared for it and got them out of there before the attack if nothing else. Obama was warned and didn't warn the generals? I think not. They slipped up and now they're dancing on hot coals. I can't make you or anyone else see that, you will believe the media every time so there's no sense in continueing this conversation. Maybe, if a proper investigation is done and the right people are questioned we both will be satisfied, or not.

Wow judging from how sure some of these people are know about things that were top secret being repubican must grant you the ability to read minds and know exactly what everyone is lying about. Must be nice. Too bad they could not see when their own politicians are full of BS.

Ultimately Obama failed as Commander-in-Chief (as he likes to have on his jacket. The buck stops at the desk of the President. Obama should be impeached.

@jsc;

Maybe you stay off the hyperlink for awhile sir.lol

Go to the calmlink.

Obama was only around Islam in his youth, which he obviously rejected as he is a Christian and has always been.

Head of the most dangerous organization in the world should have some qualifications.

CIA director should be diciplined......having an affair is not dicipline

CIA director should have integrity ........thinking it is OK if you don't get caught is not integrity.

CIA director should be competent.......getting caught sending emails to mistress is not competent.

Mr. big ego had a biographer receiving classified information, so she could write a book about how great he was. Was this on the peoples time? using the peoples money to spend time with his biographer??

He should not be allowed to resign. He and Allen should be made privates in the army and forced to lead foot patrols in Afghanistan.

Actually all the suspects should be Interrogated until the truth is known at least to the right people. Then those that are caught as traitors should be publicly shot as a lesson to show what happens to traitors. America blew it way back in the 1970's when Philip Agee was allowed to leave the country alive after rating on names and addresses of our case officers on the ground. He got to live out a nice life. Had our CIA killed him back then or he went to court and after faced the firing squad people would have learned not to do that. It is the idea of "what good is the money if you are not alive to spend it?" idea. If would be traitors were sent the loud and clear signal that to traitor is to die then people would except their incomes as given them by the government and not look to betray America for the Great Reward of cash. Selling out is good money so people do it. Until our country "wakes up and smells the coffee" and does the REAL CHANGE that we need to do these acts of treason will continue and increase until there are no secrets left to sell.

Now the broad brush needed reforms. You need to resurrect the ideas of John Maynard Keynes which is capitalists reformism which is designed to keep capitalism going. It helps the money to circulate much like the blood does in the human body. We have to remember the knowledge of FDR. Under FDR and Harry S. Truman we were able to have a strong military, start the CIA and make it the Best of the Best until 1970, and take care of our old, sick and weakest citizens. The rich willingly paid their taxes. Under this system the rich enjoyed unprecedented wealth. Then one day the rich decided to plot to kill the "goose that laid the golden egg" meaning America and mainly the military and CIA. They started to make those hidden phone calls to Congressman to start to attack the CIA and bad press resulted from years of pounding. Of course when these forces were weak enough then Foreign countries took advantage of the weakness. Now fast forward to today and the mess we are in. But first cause was capitalist with a gratitude problem. They got too greedy and now are refusing to pay for that which gives them this nice civilized life. Now capitalists want to throw out the very people who helped them get everything. The best way to compare the capitalist relationship to our military and CIA is like a marriage. The wife is happily married to her husband "the CIA" and all is well. One day the wife decides to go with someone new even though the "husband" was always loyal to her. Then the wife suddenly tries to make the husband look bad and works to destroy his reputation and lastly the wife plots to kill and totally destroy the husband. But luckily the husband finds some notes by the wife of this evil plot against him. What do you think the husband would do upon finding out this?

I see many of you geniuses calling him "Betray-us" Just what did he do to betray you? Or do you just think it's really clever in you tiny little mind?

That is an insult to tiny minds everywhere. You kind of wonder, in his twisted mind, how they would make Petraeus the "fall guy". Could he not just speak up? Did they have a gay affair he was involved in, so they could have that hanging over his head, too? What kind of plot is there, branxoz, or are you just good at making dark suspicions?

The only one who has the right to call him General Betray-us is his wife! lol

you are a mentaly ill moron that needs attention fast.

There are a couple of points that do need to be investigated with regard to National Security and the laws and regulations that govern how classified info is secured as well as military standards; however, I do have to agree that we have much bigger issues to address than the indiscretion and poor judgement of a few of our leaders.

1) The affair itself is nothing new neither to government officials nor the military; however, when you are in the military you are held to a different standard and adultery is against the UCMJ (the code of conduct for the military).

2) When you hold a security clearance you are held to an even stricter set of rules where adultery can lead to blackmail therefore you have to inform investigators of anything you may have done that can be used against you to gain access to classified info - this is a big strike against all parties involved except, from what the reports have to say, the civilian Ms. Kelly.

3) The biggest questions in my mind right now, and a huge reason why they definitely should suspend Broadwell's clearance, are what classified info did Broadwell have on her (probably) personal computer (a HUGE strike against her) and where and when did she get it? Either way, many people have lost their clearances due to mishandling of classified info and if she loses her clearance for good, she can kiss her military career down the drain.

Thank you "Retired Vet" for the first coherent summary of the situation we're in. Much appreciated.

Totally agree with RubysGirl and Retired Vet. Retired Vet best post.

Retired Vet, excellent points. But additional questions also need to be asked: Why did the Administration keep telling us that the attack was an impromptu reposnse to a video when they knew it was a terrorist attack? Why did Ambassador Rice's talking points, which were issued by the intelligence community according to The President, differ from the original version issued to The Administraton? Who changed the statements and why? How did the FBI wrap up the Benghazi investigation in a hour when it takes the Highway Patrol several hours to investigate fatal accidents? It seems like too short a time period to conduct a complete investigation. Why did Patreus wait until after the election to resign when his affair was discoverd a while ago?

The focus on Patreus and his affair is a smoke screen, this whole thing seems fishy.

PS: Thank you for your service Ret Vet, without people like you, we would be able to have posts like this!!!

The Sins of General
David Petraeus

Posted Nov
11, 2012 5:43pm EST

The fraud that General David Petraeus perpetrated on America
started many years before the general seduced Paula Broadwell, a lower-ranking
officer 20 years his junior, after meeting her on a campus visit to Harvard.

More so than any other leading military figure, Petraeus’ entire
philosophy has been based on hiding the truth, on deception, on building a
false image. “Perception” is key, he
wrote in his 1987 Princeton dissertation: "What
policymakers believe to have taken place in any particular case is what matters
— more than what actually occurred."

Yes, it’s not what actually happens that matters — it’s what you
can convince the public it thinks happened.

Until this weekend, Petraeus had been incredibly successful in
making the public think he was a man of great integrity and honor, among other
things. Most of the stories written about him fall under what we hacks in the
media like to call “a blow job." Vanity Fair. The New Yorker. The New York Times. The Washington Post. Time. Newsweek. In total, all the profiles, stage-managed and controlled by
the Pentagon’s multimillion dollar public relations apparatus, built up an
unrealistic and superhuman myth around the general that, in the end, did not do
Petraeus or the public any favors. Ironically, despite all the media fellating,
our esteemed and sex-obsessed press somehow missed the actual blow job.

Dear Mr. Disgusted Concervative:

That is the most rotten thing to say about someone who has spent his lifetime serving his Country!

It is so interesting that FOX isn't even reporting this scandal. Check their star-studded line-up. Nothing on Petraeus ~ NOTHING BUT BENGHAZI STORIES ON EVERY "NEWSCAST" (okay, O'Reilly had one pathetic segment on it, no more). Nothing on their "NEWS" website about it at all.

Nah, they aren't firing up a smoke screen ... Kinda makes you wonder what the high-heeled porn queens' agendas are at FOX. Just show a little more leg you assortment of bimbos, because as you well know, nobody with an interest in real news can take anything you say seriously (and now for the "money" shot, please). ~

Dream on "dream on!"

Omegaman, so are you saying that smart women cannot be attractive or that attractive women cannot be smart? Just because they are attractive, you automatically assume they are bimbos. Chauvinistic much? And people like you claim the Republicans have a war on women.

I would think things were even more remiss if they did not investigate this person. What if he compromised them in some way?

I see you paint them with an evil brush, but many of the stories that you heard came from persons who had a vengeful beef with them (disgruntled former employees). The tales got rather tall over the years. Years back they functioned and served their purpose. For what has happened to them read this:

http://www.ctcintl.com/harmed.html

This was written by a long time CIA officer back in the old days. Actually, I wish it was the writer of this article that could be the new CIA director. He'd get them back on track.

If she is a spy she is a piss poor one. Why call attention to yourself by getting the FBI involved in something as stupid as "threatening e-mails" which, by the way, also stinks to high heaven. How deep into it do you think the FBI would get involved if Joe or Jane citizen called and said, "Hi FBI agent, I'm getting these threatening e-mails from someone whom I don't know. Can you check that out for me?" Boy, yes, I can see them expanding large number of man hours and money to check that out for all people in the US. I don't know for me there are so many dangling wires in this whole mess that we are definitely not getting the whole story nor will we...maybe the full story will be Broadwell's next book.

If you read the reports though, according to the Wall Street Journal, "after the investigation began pointing to larger potential national security issues, Ms. Kelley tried to get the FBI to drop the matter."

So, she realized she made a mistake and tried to stop it. Also, if you do check out the links from comment#20, the "spy theory" pretty much does not mean formally trained spy, but more like "heavy in debt, needed the money" spy as the motive.

Obviously, it is just a conspiracy theory and hard to believe but the theory was advanced by both right and left wing sources based on a Washington Post report which questioned how she got so close to the top two generals in the United States, one of whom was the Director of the CIA.

We will know more (as much as is not classified) after the formal investigation.

No one was saying that Petraeus was a spy, but might have been the victim of one. Read all the sources before reacting. The spy reference was to Jill Kelley based on the Washington Post article, specifically:.

Petraeus's staff said Kelley was a "self-appointed" go-between for Central Command officers with Lebanese and other Middle Eastern officials. The investigations of Petraeus's and Allen's actions, nonetheless, have raised questions about how Kelley, a woman with no formal military role, cultivated such close ties to two of the nation's most revered generals." from: Washington Post Article

That article was then carried to the spy theory by bloggers....links are in an above comment #20. It is strange that she was in some way involved with the top two US generals and she was trying to get close to Petraeus when apparently Broadwell sent her those emails telling her to stay away.

if he is of such low character he shouldn't be in a position of authority at any level of our government!!

wow you drank the kool aide early

The only drinking the kool aide is you. Open your eyes and see that there would certianly be a benefit to covering up what really happened in Benghazi. The President is worried about keeping up the "Al Quaida is on the ropes" image the he is reticent about dclaring anything an act of terrorism.