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Police are investigating an incident at a Berks County, Pa., hunting club in which someone allegedly targeted a mechanical flying object rather than a living and breathing one.
SHowing Animals Respect and Kindness (SHARK) are in the midst of a campaign against the Wing Pointe commercial hunting grounds in Hamburg, Berks County, and its live pigeon shoots. SHARK began to use an “Octocopter,” a remote controlled flying machine with a high tech video camera, to secretly record the pigeon shoots as they happen.
"The pigeon shooters are basically going into hiding," said Steve Hindi, president of SHARK. "So they're using a ring that's up a hill and completely surrounded by trees. So the only way you can get to it is through the air."
The drone, nicknamed “Angel,” was recording a live pigeon shoot on Sunday around 3 p.m. when investigators say it was suddenly struck by gunfire.
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SHARK claimed “a single sharp rifle crack rang out,” in a press release sent out on Monday. The group says the camera’s video feed was terminated and the drone went out of control before it was manually brought down. The gunshot caused around $4,000 in damage to the camera, according to SHARK.
State Police are investigating the incident. SHARK claims this is the fourth time the drone has been shot at while trying to spy on what they claim are inhumane pigeon shoots.
"When they do this, it only makes us more determined," said Hindi. "We are going to see these pigeon shoots stopped."
NBC10 is currently trying to contact Wing Pointe for comment and are waiting for a response. NBC10 also spoke with the Berks County's District Attorney. He told us the pigeon shoots are legal and that he also wants to find a way to put a stop to what he considers a "potentially deadly cat and mouse game" between SHARK and Wing Pointe.
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SHARK attacked.
This is horrible. FLYING OCTOCOPTERS WEREN'T EVEN IN SEASON. Next they will be taking pictures of Bears Pooing in the Woods. PERVERTS.
Well, their toy chopper was trespassing over private property and videoing people without their permission so it was perfectly legal for them to shoot the thing down.
Way to go guys. Next time use something that knocks it down so the peepers can't recover it or any parts of it.
Why would anyone want to stop them from shooting flying rats?
That's all pigeons are.
These so called animal rights activists are such a joke. It's hunters who preserve animals. While these idiots are spending $4,000 to spy on a group of people participating in a legal activity, the true conservationists are busy doing things like dropping food to stranded Elk herds in Montanna or hiking on snow shoes with deep into the mountains with pack packs full of apples enjected with vitamins to feed mountain goats. Sure, we do it in part to ensure that when we come back the next fall there will be some big healthy animals to take a shot at, but it does not change the fact that in order to have one really nice animal to harvest you have to put forth effort and money to save hundreds. And do you know where the money comes from? Thats right, hunting licenses.
You folks want to save some animals, then put on your snow shoes and start hiking.
HAHAHA!!!
Great Shot!!!
Rhino - Don't forget about things like thinning the whitetail population so we don't have a bunch of deer dying of starvation, not to mention vehicle accidents. Since we've removed predators from most areas, we have to take their place to keep up population checks and balances. I'm not a fan of animal suffering, and a quick shot through vital organs is a much easier way for them to go than slowly starving to death or surviving a car accident only to die later of internal injuries.
Let them fly their privacy-invading crap into my airspace and see what happens to it. I own the sky above my property, in theory all the way to the edge of the atmosphere, and only certain invasions of that airspace are allowed by any kind of authority besides my own (such as transportation aircraft like commercial/government/military planes, and satellites, government-owned-and-operated drones, etc.). But, a little privately-own remote-controlled drone with a video camera whose sole purpose is to spy on me? Absolutely not. If I see anything like that above my property, it's coming down, and its previous owner will remain just that--its previous owner.
Regardless of what was going on at this hunting club (even if it were illegal, which it wasn't), this organization is a private entity with absolutely no law-enforcement capacity or rights, no warrant to invade the property owners' privacy, etc. They had no right to do what they were doing, and they're lucky they were even able to get their contraption back at all. But, that they had the nerve to call the police to report someone stopping them from invading the property owners' privacy just goes to show how completely irrational and insane these people are.
Brilliant, absolutely brilliant!
Kind of an ironic name. Right up there with Fathers Against Rude Television.
deweydan!!! Hilarious! Totally LOL'ed at work.
Here's a real challenge for the hunters, get those pumpkin chunkin' guys out with a couple of their machines and let the pumpkins fly!!! Maybe a spud gun. How about the hunters fly a kamikazi aircraft of their own and have a mid-air collison? The hunters could have their own remote camera to record the crash. Another viral video to hit the Internet.
I am an animal lover and not a hunter, but I have to agree with most of the comments above.
@InMissouri: You are absolutely correct sir. A brief history lesson for the would-be animal rights activists out there. In the 1800's and early 1900's many explorers to Alaska died of starvation. Now you may be thinking, how is that possible, these were trained outdoors man and in a land just chuck full of moose, caribou, and tons of other tasty critters. But the abundance of these animals has only been a phenomenon of the last several decades and it was brought about by hunters. Left to let nature do what it does, these wilderness areas were overrun with wolves. The wolves were killing most of the game animals. It was not until hunters started culling the wolf packs that moose and caribou were able to thrive. Once again, it is hunters and not "animal lovers" to the rescue.
To be fair, the true conservationists were also using helicopters during this time, but of course our helicopters shoot back :-)
So you flew your camera into a hot shooting zone & got shot...... where's the news?
LEB, the hunters have already done way worse. they've shot at the SHARK activists when they were on public property, they've attempted to hit them with vehicles while they were protesting on public land right outside of their club and they HAVE been found guilty of hit and runs that almost killed someone. look up SHARK on youtube, they have plenty of video proof.
NICE SHOT!
This was indeed a good shot and apparently costly to the shark bunch. However, the hunters should be prepared to shoot more of these things down because, cost or not, fanatics aren't easily dissuaded. If I were the hunters, I would pursue illegal surveillance/trespassing charges against these clowns.
Air space is not private property. It's just too bad that you weren't in their gun sights.
Pigeons are doves, not rats.
and doves are ice cream bars,.... but i dont shoot em...too hard to clean afterwords........
Awe.. Shooting pigeons is such great sport. Makes me cry that some people think its vulgar and want to post the adventure on the internet.
you expect me to believe a youtube post form a group like shark. you must be delusional.
show me the police report, and explain how come the shark idiots were blocking the road and driveway?
mozzie-600 courts have upheld the rights to privacy on multiple occasions, so they have no rights to be spying and should be sued as well as having their contraption shot down.
ed, the shark people were not blocking either. they were on public property and have the event on video and if you look through their channel you will find it. the man who did the hit and run was fined by the courts. i guess facts like those aren't believable either though when you're mind is already made up one way or the other. let's say they were blocking it, does that give someone the right to kill them by hitting them with their car? the basis of your argument is stupid if you really think about it.
Yes... I do wonder if the people thinking killing pigeons is wrong think terminating an early human life is just peachy. Mind you I'm pro choice, but anti hypocrisy. Like right-to-lifers supporting the death penalty, or a save-the-environment sticker on a humvee. Or anti haters telling you who they hate.
People protest my gun club too, yet we only shoot pigeons of the clay variety. All that clay, struck down in its prime.
Oh well. These guys need to get some actual problems to work on. Plenty to go around.
Flying , driving, or walking on Private owned land is illegal. Its called trespassing, shoot those things out of the sky.
If there so worried, they should be out helping keep local populations of animals taken care of.
Pigeons are flying rats
HATR_HURTER, I hope the guy charged with hit and run is a better shot with a gun than he is with a vehicle. He might miss the remote controlled aircraft and shoot one of those lunatic protesters.
Use to trap shoot myself, but a word of caution here, leave your dog at home, it really screws with a retrievers head.......
Hatr - If you and your buddies so much as show up to a legal shooting activity to heckle or disrupt the activity in my state, you would be hauled off in a paddy wagon, private property or not! There is a little something in our state constitution (not to mention the US constitution) that keeps kooks like you away from our legal firearm activities. For YOUR safety and ours. All I can say is come to the midwest and try one of your zany sit-ins/demonstrations/drone activity. Not only will your drone be neutralized, the operator will be arrested for infringing on a safe and legal acitivty. Fight your fight in the courts and stay out of our backyards.
It's just another bunch of whining pu#&%es. A very small minority of mo's trying to stop what the majority approve of. In our state people like the SHART people don't protest here. They tend to disappear in the woods somewhere.
yes, cause only a lunatic cares for other living things. right? hope you're not a christian.
wv, more like a bunch of PU@#$@# wannabe hunters too crappy at it to actually hunt wild animals.
My kind of gun control.
Shooting pigeons may seem inconsequential. However, mankind remains the greatest threat to most animal species and wildlife. We have placed eagles, wolves, tigers, elephants and giraffes on the list of animals, that without intervention, would become extinct. Illegally, we import variations of wildlife across continents, all for personal gawking, conquest and profit. The animals that we have preyed upon may not be cuddly. However, they are necessary for a balanced ecosystem. If animals were able to treat us the way we have treated them, as human beings we would be serious trouble.
Actually most of us are ex-military who like the challenge of hunting and also enjoy taking the animal for the meat. Unlike you, who likes to take the meat from the backside.
HATR,
Uhmmmm, who cares? I figure the guys involved in SHARK are just there to pick up chicks. In the grand scheme of things there are a lot more issues out in the world that need solving than a bunch of guys who shoot at winged rats. Why don't they all just set up some kind of dog rescue center. That $4000 would have gone a long way towards helping a lot of abused dogs.
The pigeon shoots might be offensive to some people, but they're legal.
The sky-view camera is being used to film people without their permission. While I can't say I agree with the use of a firearm to destroy a flying object (the remote-controlled plane could have come down on a house or started a brush fire) I have a hard time finding too much fault with it.
The hunters should retaliate through the legal system. They're being harassed while practicing a legal activity.
What's next, SHARK? Remote submarines to monitor fishermen?
Load the torpedoes!
wv, real challenge shooting a bird that can barely fly. look up SHARK on youtube so you can see how "challenging" it is. alot of the birds don't even fly, they get shot on the ground. hunting in the wild is challenging, this is fish in a barrel.
sven, ummmmmm apparently SHARK does or this article wouldn't be here would it?
Flying helicopters aren't covered under the Migratory Bird Act... so I don't think there is a problem.
JoMan,
Ha! I wonder what the bag limit is on those things...
Too bad SHARK doesn't have another copter... then they could shoot doubles!
i'd bet they do Happy. bob barker gave them a million dollars recently.
WvWildman,
Shooting at animals in their habitats is not bravado. Tell us how the "backside" of a pigeon or bear taste? If folks want to pull the trigger of a gun, they can go to a gun range and practice on the inanimate dartboards or "cut outs." However, maybe that would not work either. Folks that like to shoot, might just "graduate" up to needlessly shooting human beings.
Hatr, you don't seem to grasp the most obvious fact here (I will type slowly so you can understand though):
Right now it is a LEGAL SPORT. SHARK idiots are interfering with something TOTALLY LEGAL here. They are the ones who need their a$$es thrown in jail here. UNTIL IT IS ILLEGAL...they should stay away and stop tempting people by flying their own issues in their faces.
And I don' know WHERE the hell you get your information but pigeons can fly just fine. They tend to be lazy and only fly as far as they think they need to but are fully capable of sustaining long flights when the need arises.
I hope that private club sues SHARKs butt for all the money in their bank accounts.
Oh and for the record: I don't even own a gun or hunt. This is a legal issue that needs to be cleared up in court. I hope the private club wins. BIG time.
Shartorius,
Until we were forced to place them on the species endangered list, shooting at many animals was legal.
Trespassing aerial drones, eh? Those hunters need a 12 gauge with six rotating barrels and an electric drive motor...mount it on an electric traverse in the bed of a pick-up, and wait for the drones. Pigeons may become old news.
Your comment is nonsense. Humvee drivers don't know there's an environment to be saved. Don't make stuff up.
randoo, you think i said pigeons can't fly but i'm the one who needs someone to type slowly? i said THESE pigeons that are killed can barely fly. reading comprehension is obviously not your strong suit. also, just because it's legal doesn't mean it's morally correct. ever heard of rule of thumb? it USED to be legal to beat your wife with a stick that was no thicker than your thumb, then we evolved a little but not enough apparently.
If these "sportsmen" weren't ashamed of what they were doing, they wouldn't have felt compelled to destroy private property.
mozzie-600,
They are cowards. Their character is that of little boys wanting to prove that they are men.
Hopefully, their "legal hunting" will be made illegal.
Then SHARK can move on to the next group of animal predators.
HatrHurter: "yes, cause only a lunatic cares for other living things. right? hope you're not a christian."
RIGHT ON! Only the other day, I was denounced and insulted for suggesting that animal life is important (after all, humans are animals too)--I was called a "sick person" among other insults. It was hours later before I realized if being "healthy" means enjoying killing defenseless animals (not for food purposes) with weapons against which these animals have absolutely NO defense--then your damn right! I AM a "sick person" and PROUD OF IT!
Peace!
Couldn't agree more. They're trying to impress each other at the expense of defenseless animals. One of my favorite quotations is from Arthur Schopenhauer who said: "Mankind has made living on the Earth a hell for animals." It's pretty horrific the suffering we are willing to inflict on other sentient beings.
Randoo: "Hatr, you don't seem to grasp the most obvious fact here (I will type slowly so you can understand though): Right now it is a LEGAL SPORT"
Well, my friend, there's something else YOU don't seem to grasp--I will type even more SLOWLY for you--just because something may be "legal"--does NOT make it RIGHT!
e.g., slavery, segregation, not allowing women or other groups the right to vote--I could go and on but I don't wish to overload you.
Mozzie: "If these "sportsmen" weren't ashamed of what they were doing, they wouldn't have felt compelled to destroy private property"
EXCELLENT POINT! You and 25 walker are so correct! You don't see them shooting at any animals who can shoot back, do you? Yea! Takes a real man to explode a pigeon on the ground or in mid-air. Yee haw!
I wonder how they'd feel if the roles were reversed? And giant pigeons with better weapons hunted them down and killed them--for "sport"...reminds me of Hitchcock's movie, "The Birds..." Things that make me go, "hmmmm..."
What I'm wondering is how does one stuff and mount a mini-helicopter?
WOW, good shot.
It would be more impressive with an Arrow stuck through the metal mid body. Challenge is up boys.
Not a lot of call for arrows during a bird hunt. But anyone that could pull it off...now that's a hunter.
they were there to shoot pigeons, hit one with an arrow? you got that kinda luck best get a lottery ticket....
There are very few hunters that can hit a bird in flight with an arrow--if there's one out there that can pull off hitting that drone with an arrow--more power to him or her!
And as far as the extremist animal rights people--where were you when the gerbils needed you?!?
these birds aren't flying very far off the ground because they aren't fed and many have never been outside a cage before until the moment they're flying for their life.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKZWfpjqeKA
HATR_HURTER--If that is actually what's going on, then what you need to do is work toward making it illegal to raise half-starved birds. I do not hunt half starved raised in cages anything--my husband and I go out to the wild and hunt wild edible game. Much of the reason I hunt is because I would rather take the animal that enjoyed it's life before the predator took it than the animal that lead a miserable life (such as tightly caged thousands of animals on a factory farm) before the predator took it. I believe in respecting the species that feeds me, and there are a lot of hunters out there that feel the same way. I will not deny that there are some out there that are just plain unethical, because you will find that in any crowd. I think the key is in respecting the species that feed us, whether wild game, or farm animals.
Lisa don't bother...he doesn't have a clue......as for his link, ( i never go to links posted here BTW who knows what site you may end up going to, a serious virus site perhaps ?) ...but even if it is a real youtube video... if you look it up i bet you can find a youtube video of elvis and lady gaga entertaining the troops at Gettysburg.....
way to rationalize willfully remaining ignorant tramp. lisa, these hunts are illegal in most places already, not just the way the birds are raised. there is already legislation to stop trapped animal shoots pending in Pennsylvania.
Shooting a flying bird with a rifle is as hard as with an arrow. Wonder what a rifleman was doing - except waiting on the helo. Also, Here in the very deep south quail hunting is done on these plantations with pen raised birds. When you rich yankees come here to shoot quail, the "guide" takes you to a place where earlier that morning his associate released birds into the wild who have never flown before. They are just walking around in the grass enjoying their first ever day out of a cage. The dogs show up scare the birds up, and the ace-hunter fills his bird bag and goes home swearing he had a great hunt. A hunter from Ohio told me he checked out hog hunting down here. One of the places he looked at would put him on a shooting cabin porch lakeside. Across the lake/pond about 100 yds away is a corn crib put there to bring the hogs in. The customer is invited to sit on the porch, sight across the pond and pick the hog he wants. Blam ! and they load your hog for ya. SO I very well believe the Pensylvania pidgeon shoot is a cage release deal where the hunters are ashamed to have their pictures taken. They are worried about being spied on, because what they are doing is chickens**t in the first place and they are not proud of it.
Ireadyou: "They are worried about being spied on, because what they are doing is chickens**t in the first place and they are not proud of it."
You are correct! The quail shoot you described made me nauseous: "...his associate released birds into the wild who have never flown before. They are just walking around in the grass enjoying their first ever day out of a cage.The dogs show up scare the birds up, and the ace-hunter fills his bird bag and goes home swearing he had a great hunt"
DISGUSTING! I really don't know how they can live with themselves.
Octocopter, the other white meat.............
Secretly record? Looks as if someone doesn't get the fact their "Octocopter" is not invisible.
Too bad they didnt come out a put a bullet in the @!$%#s butt!!
Shooting down a small moving target with a rifle requires a great deal of skill. Congratulations to the shooter.
doubt it was a rifle, but coul have been. i would use a 870 pump with 00 buck myself.
Ya, the shot wont come back down an hurt anyone where a bullet could.
I don't know many people who hunt birds with a rifle. Most of them are hungry.
I once got a chukar in the neck at 100 yds with a 7mm mag. Didn't damage any meat either. Lucky shot, I know.
SHARK did say it was a "sharp rifle crack." Assuming they know what they're talking about, it's pretty easy to tell the difference just by the sound.
these clowns flew a target into an area designed for the sole purpose of shooting at flying things, so i would speculate that the haven't got a clue......
Not only that but they also have an agenda, so their saying it was a rifle has no meaning.
IA.ScooterTramp
these clowns flew a target into an area designed for the sole purpose of shooting at flying things, so i would speculate that the haven't got a clue......
i would speculate you don't have one about the pigeon hunts since you seem to think the birds are flying anywhere near where the copter was. most of these birds are 10-15 feet off the ground. watch one of the vids on youtube and see.
hater
have you tried the youtube video of the submarine races...bet it will keep you entertained for hours.....
10 feet. A few feet lower and they'd be in Cheney's Lawyer-range
insults are the arguments of the desperate.
HatrHurter: "insults are the arguments of the desperate."
You are SO correct! Not only "of the desperate" but also of the ignorant and the lost. Also, I have yet to actually hear even ONE valid argument in favor of shooting defenseless flying doves. Not one!
I wish all these so-called "sportsmen" could be caged and released (without weapons) to be hunted down and killed themselves as sport for others (not by me--as I do not enjoying killing any living thing). Then we'd see how happy and witty they'd feel, wouldn't we?
Are you telling me that you are a vegan then? I am assuming since you don't wan to kill a living thing you are opposed to eating any thing that was living at one point?
Here's a thought - stop antagonizing legal hunters on private property.
In any case, there is a wide open empty body of law about drone camera surveillance, which this is. Fly it over my property, same outcome. I suggest Americans think very hard about what is acceptable surveillance intrusion. If the hunters are on private property, I do not think anyone save the police with a warrant, have the right to surveillance by air.
yep they should be charged with, trespassing, illegal video taping, harassment, etc. but it wouldn't be anywhere near as much fun as shooting them down.
actually, the law is pretty clear.... drones are perfectly legal. i rigged a remote control helicopter with a camera about ten years ago, before i ever heard of a drone, would use it to mess with my meth-head neighbors and the stoner kids hanging out in the woods behind my house....all in good fun, you know? i gutted a two-way radio, and would fly over and say things like 'you are SO busted' and 'i'm a bird, really, i'm a bird!' or 'nothing to see here, folks'
well, of course the local cops were not amused...but they couldn't find anything to charge me with, except harassment, and knowing who i was bugging, they were hesitant to charge me. enter homeland security and the justice department. a period lacking in hilarity ensued. eventually, i was charged with voyeurism, as i had the ability to look in windows of homes, even if not the desire to do so. a ton of legal wrangling was followed by outright dismissal of all charges against me, as it became clear that there was a TON of case law that found out that property lines only exist on the ground, and the only true right to privacy occurs in your own home, with the drapes closed. you can be watched and videotaped without your knowledge or consent pretty much no matter where you are. the only real limits depend greatly on what is done with that video. one of the only real limits on filming is that police are not allowed to do it in some circumstances without a prior warrant, but that is even a soft rule. (they also have the only real protections against being filmed, as it is against the law in most states to audio or video record police business.)
but just because it is legal to do what he did, that doesn't make him right. he is like an abortion clinic protester yelling at patients .... he doesn't like the law, so he decides to harass those following the law instead of working to change it to his liking, which is a precursor to terrorism. sad.
You made up every bit of that didnt you.
gm Tramp
Shooting them down is lots more fun. And shotgun shells are a lot cheaper than lawyers.
There is also case law to the contrary. Note to everyone who considers sport shooting of drones: Vern Miller, the attorney general of Kansas in the 1970's, made airlines stop serving alcohol over Kansas, a dry state at the time. The case, which he won, was based on the premise that the borders of Kansas included the sky above.
And wouldn't wire tapping laws apply if there were any sound recorded?
Idiots. While I'm not a big fan of shooting something if you're not going to eat it (and I'm not sure what these hunters did), you can't harrass someone for doing something that is legal.
The first rule of gun safety is never point a gun at something you don't want to shoot. Conversely, don't put something you don't want to get shot in the area where shooting is going on. Whether the camera getting shot was accidental or intentional, the fault goes to the idiots who put it in an area where bullets were flying.
Flyoverme's argument doesn't hold water. At exactly which height do you lose your right to shoot at things flying over property? Is the Cessna fair game? The news helicopter? Commercial aircraft? The simple act of attaching a camera to some hardware aloft does not transform it from aircraft to target.
Sikchimp - That is not true about property lines, at least not in my state. As Denver bill has also pointed out, property lines do indeed extend into the sky. They also extend underground.
If property lines didn't extend into the sky you wouldn't be able to trim branches hanging over your yard but growing from a neighboring property...
Classic straw man. The height at which something is flying is only a criterion for it being a target if it is out of range.
I'd say go for the news helicopter. :)
Well about 25 years ago when the Army opened up a new training area in southern Colorado their helicopters would fly over a nearby ranch house. When they did the rancher would shoot at them with is .30-.30, never hit anything but it made quite a few Army people very excited. Sheriff's response after talking to him and his family was "he's in his 80s, it's his property and you are trespassing, and he's not going to stop." Army made his property a no-fly zone, end of problem.
Most common sense solution by all parties that I've heard lately.
Trespasser on/over your land - shoot the bahstahd.
Sherrif - no law against it, case closed.
Military - well, in the interest of training safety we will not fly where people not participating in the training exercise take exceptional exception.
2kmaro: "Trespasser on/over your land - shoot the bahstahd.
Sherrif - no law against it, case closed.
SERIOUSLY???? I dare you to shoot at the next police copter that flies over your land. Dare ya!
Great shot. If the hunt is legal, which it it, then as much as I support SHARK's 1st Amendment's right to free speech protest and peaceable assembly, I don't support them illegally interrupting a legal hunt on private property. Poor judgement guys.
Shoot down all drones...especially those operated by the government
good luck with that kit, let us know how many you bag.
i think drones oughta be legal. can you imagine the business ideas? like pizza delivery by sky...oh yeah, that's heaven.
an octocopter, is pretty easy to clean, but it does tend to have a bit of an oily taste.
What...... not chicken????
I would think it would be a bit hard to chew, as well. SHARK, bring your little playtoy to NH...you'll get the same reception, at least in my neck of the woods.
my how time flies, its octocopter season already.
By the way folks i shot my very first TURKEY this weekend.....scared the hell out of the people in the frozen foods section......
growing older sure has its fun moments........
Do you need a special stamp on your license for this? Where do you apply?
Upland Drone Stamp
dont bring an octocpter to a gun fight
whats the bag limit on octocopters in PA? and how much is the lisence to hunt em?
Seriously people? Do you actually think it was a rifle shot, or are you being sarcastic? Anyone with a lick of sense knows that the person from SHARK made an ignorant mistake. Which, by the way, goes to show their complete lack of understanding of hunting... which should put into question anything the claim as being "true" about their claims.
Nobody is hunting pigeons with a rifle - it is done with shotguns - which is exactly what was used to take this thing down.
Come on. Be serious.
I would have blown it out of the sky as well. If they are not breaking privacy laws, they are surely harassing wildlife, which is a crime - I know how ironic that sounds, considering what they are doing on the ground, but laws are laws, and these hunters seemed to be obeying them.
so full chock or none? evidently only had low load bird-shot...tsk tsk guys be better prepared next time and bring a few low brass 00 buck shells with you next time. i always have a couple with me as well as a couple deer slugs you just never know.....
For pigeons I'm thinking 410, intermediate choke, maybe 0.012.
12-ga, full choke, #4 goose shot
Nothing left but feathers.
true Brian ...but its not like your going to eat it, its a flying rat...unless of course your some kinda euro trash that dine on things like pigeon, snails, fish eggs etc.
Wow, IA, I'm about as American as you get (mostly Native American), and I like the occasional escargot or caviar. Never tried pigeon, but I might if it were offered. Do you like squirrel? Tree rat.
nope too greasy.......easy to clean though, kinda like rabbit.(Which is good fried properly) as for fish eggs i will pass just like on raw fish or clams ....well ...naw wont go there....
Too greasy? Must not have the oil hot enough...LOL! Mmmm...rabbit...used to get a lot of those here, but the damn coyotes and fishers have pretty much decimated the population. Cottontails are nearly non-existant, anymore, and showshoes are pretty hard to come by, as well.
being big farm land they are more then abundant here, bag limit is ten per day, possession is 100. they aren't much beloved around these parts,and farmers use to give us 10 cents apiece for shooting then when we was kids.for obvious reasons, that was good money in those days.
Used to live in Northern MO, plentiful they are. Back when I was a kid, we also got $5 to $10 for coyote pelts...I was told the military used the fur on the arctic snorkel parkas...but those PETA pricks kind of squashed that as well.
I think SHARK Should be charged with illegal video surveillance. Pennsylvania is a two party state, where both parties must give consent to be recorded.
and then what would happen?.. they get a fine of what? a couple hundred bucks... maybe? plus these clowns LIVE for that kinda thing.... naw...still more fun to shoot em down. plus at 4K a pop? which one do you think will come out on top ..the legal hunters who are participating in a legal activity ..or shark dropping 4 grand a pop in an illegal one?
We need to be looking into these SHARKS. What kind of sharks are they? They've got $4K to blow on a camera, maybe they're loan sharks and we need to get the FBI involved, or Homeland Security since they're operating flying-spying thingeez. How do you get an octopus high? Give it to a shark. Any laws on the books against hunting sharks or octopi - or is that octopussies, guess we should ask James Bond.
Interfering with a legal hunt in Kentucky is a felony. Pennsylvania must have similar laws on the books.
Hopefully they will be flying more of these around the country. What better way to practice shooting.
PULL!!!!!
ocotocopter = $ 4.000
shotgun shell = $2.00
look on a whinny assed lib tree hugger face.....priceless
I can just hear the conversation now: from the basement....."Mom, can I borrow an extra $4,000", reply from upstairs.... "When are you going to get a job?"
And now I can't stop laughing lol
Tramp: "look on a whinny assed lib tree hugger face.....priceless"
OH WHATAGIVEAWAY! Um, Tramp? Seems like you need to hug a tree yourself. Does wonders for anger issues. But don't believe me--try it yourself! Go on! Don't be scared. Don't knock it unless you've tried it!
Either that or get professional help. You are obviously in dire need of it, my friend.
cant ya just hear the hunters laughing......?......
"Lemme tell ya about the one that got away. We got any more beer?"
If it is flying over someone's property isn't that invasion of privacy? You don't see these devices flying over any stars houses in LA.. ok bad example for gun owners but anyway.. Bring it down on the property and it is yours to keep I would say.. Why can't people see the reality of hunting.. Just ask anyone in PA who have hit a deer, it would be much worse if we didn't legally hunt them..
If this is indeed on private property, then the property owner has the right to complain to any number of government agencies about the activities of those in control of the drone. There are also relatively inexpensive devices that can make it all but imposable for drones to enter a given area in a controlled manor.
It would seem that fighting technology with technology is a better answer to these activists then simply shooting their drone. As they stated, when the hunters do this, they only become more determined. They can be determined all they like, but if their drone is imposable to control, they will have to rethink things.
but your missing out on all the LEGAL fun that way. an at 4 grand a pop...seriously...how long can these morons continue to operate ?
and even if they were successfull in a flight or two ( which round here wouldn't happen) what in the world would they achieve..?....a few pictures of guys with guns ? hell most hunter's i know would gladly pose with their game. all these techno-nerds woul have to do is ask.
The drone operators will eventually develop techniques to make it more and more unlikely that they will get shot down. Also, these things are getting cheaper. Depending on how well the organization is funded and how much damage is done etch time a drone gets shot, it could be a long time before the organization dose not have the money to continue.
i do tend to agree that it would be more fun to keep shooting them down, but I also like the idea of frustrating organizations that like doing this type of surveillance. Simply denying them the ability to effectively use their tools is almost as fun to me as the idea of shooting them down.
QE ...( which field BTW? i am in qa/qc & master machinist in aerospace, best friends a QE) but anyway.....
i am aware of that, but so far it looks like ;
hunter 4 ....( at 4 grand a pop)
shark 0
how long would any intelligent person give money to a group who has reached such a high level of retardation that they truly believed they could actually accomplish their goal, of what? a few pics of people participating in a LEGAL activity? these people really need to get a life.
Don't forget, these are bird hunters, so how do they spy on them: "Well, let's send up something that will fly over them since there's nothing they'll be able to do about it." And they're surprised the camera gets shot down? What's next, dress up as in skins and antlers and run around in the woods to spy on deer hunters? Oooooh... pleasepleasepleasepleasepleasepleasepleaseplease....
cross bow with a reel would be my choice, way more fun.
Hilarious! I would have shot that thing down myself, pigeon shoot or no. Also - pigeon shoot? Pigeons are little more than vermin infested rats with wings and there's billions of them in the USA. Why would anyone care if pigeons are being shot? If anything we need to shoot MORE pigeons, and deer while we're at it.
pigeons are often used to sharpen your shooting skills and train dogs. which makes these morons look even dumber. think about it, these hunters where there for the single reason of sharpening their shooting ability, so the shark clowns flew them in a target, what in the world did they think would happen.
Wait a minute!! Pigeons are EDIBLE!! If you don't like squab, feed them to your pets--good protein there! That's true of any animal you hunt. Waste not, want not.
true Lisa, i use to hunt quail ( back when i could still see em) but do you have any idea how long it takes to clean and cook em or how many it takes for a meal? and the whole point of training the dog is to NOT eat them.....but to RETRIEVE them....(hence the name)
Scooter--Hahahahahahahah--yes, I know how long it takes to clean them!!! Gregg and I do not breast out--we pick feathers and gut game, we have a routine we get into. First we put our German Shepherd Gentle BEN-jamin Chewbacca Mayhem into his crate. Then we either pick dry or start the water boiling in a big pot. I will first pick the pretty feathers off of even the ones we dip in boiling water (like ducks when we go waterfowl hunting). I'm really careful not to rip the skin when I do that. Gregg does the dipping and gutting--I do all the fine work. We both like the job split up that way :) We save the heart, gizzard, and sometimes the liver (if it's savable) and cook those up for Ben--that way he gets to partake of the hunt with the pack, so to speak :) We sit and watch TV while dry picking (dove are easy to dry-pick). When it comes to the Spoonie Ducks (Gotta LOVE those Smiling Mallards!) I skin the whole bird out because the meat tastes better with no skin and no fat. We used to smoke the spoonies, but my hubby just got a recipe for bacon-wrapped with a pepper and spoonie meat recipe that is BBQ'd, so we will be trying that soon. Only for mine, I'll use chicken skin and mild peppers. Gregg can digest bacon well, but ever since I had my gall bladder taken out, I can't. Yes, I know how many it takes for a meal:) Hahahaha--Quail!! My, how quick they are!! I did not start hunting until I met my husband, and for the first 2 years, I did not shoot anything but rather came along to learn and help retrieve. The first quail hunt I went on after getting my hunting licence, when the quail flushed my mouth dropped open, I didn't shoot, just exclaimed "My God, they're fast!!!" My hubby laughed and laughed. It's not that I had never seen quail flush before--I certainly had. But it was the first time I ever raised the shotgun to my shoulder to aim and fire at one. Indeed, they are fast! When it comes to how many it takes for a meal, I will relate a favorite childhood memory. My family would go to my great aunt and uncle' farm on opening day of dove season. The men and boys would go out hunting and bring back what they were able to bag. The women would help clean the birds--and they were never breasted out, because I remember thinking that they looked kind of like miniature chickens. They would fry them up, and pile them heaping on a big turkey platter, two platters if there were enough people there! I was born in the 1950's so that tells you how long ago that was:) Yes, retrievers must be trained to retrieve and not eat it. We will be getting a Lab puppy sometime in the near future.
Lisa: that is disgusting! How do you taste when you're skinned and plucked? Like chicken?
Hi Maxwell's Silver Hammer---since I am an omnivore, obtaining meat is a reality. Too many omnivores have lost touch with the reality of where their meat comes from, thus the terrible factory farms were allowed to develop. If you are a vegan, well, at least I can say that you are being consistent. But if you are an omnivore who goes to the market and buys meat that comes from a factory raised miserable animal, then you have no firm rock to stand on. My husband and I have the attitude, out in the field, of the Native American prayer said to the animal's spirit "Forgive me, for I must feed my family." My husband and I hunt only animals born and living in the wild. And the reason we do NOT breast out our game (breasting out game is a lot quicker, but it wastes the rest of the animal) is that we believe that that is just wrong! So not breasting out involves plucking and gutting, but the animal is long dead, so it is not in pain. That animal gave it's life so that I can live, so I owe it to that animal to make sure I kill it as quickly as possible (that's why my hubby and I practice out on the range and shoot skeet before we go hunting), and to make the best and most use of it. I also owe it to the animal to respect it's species, to insure that it's species continues in a healthy way. My husband and I also respect the species that DON'T feed us--they are part of the balance of nature--put here by God, or nature, or the universe, however you want to put it. We as a species are not so wise that we know all the reasons species are here to make sure nature is balanced. As far as how I would taste if skinned or plucked--well, I hope I don't bite the dust via a cannibal, and there is a certain level of sentience in animals that I will not go beyond, not for hunting anyway. Yes, If attacked by an elephant, I would protect myself, but they are just too sentient to purposely hunt for food, and I never want to eat one.
Oh--I forgot something--if I was attacked by, say, a mountain lion (more possible than being attacked by an elephant here in California) and my efforts to protect myself failed and it killed me--well, as long as I was not alive when it ate me, what difference is that to being either stuffed full of formaldehyde (to me, being into living as organic as possible, that would be the WORST thing that could happen to my body after death!), or eaten underground by worms, or burned to a crisp ash in cremation (I've told my family I want to be cremated--even if my dead body is found half eaten by a mt lion or bear--not that that is what will happen, but hiking in the woods does have a little bit of that risk).
Not really, take the breast & thigh/legs on a bird and there really isn't much left out. Especially with smaller ones like doves or quail. And there is always skinning as opposed to plucking.
Yes--if you also take the legs and thighs. We skin Spoonies and remove as much of the fat as we can, then freeze in a ziplock with water for protection, until we have enough to smoke a batch. The Spoonies taste better with no skin or fat because a lot of the stronger, wild taste is in the skin and fat. The mallards, pintails, canvasbacks, teal, etc. we pluck and leave whole and roast them that way stuffed with dressing. My hubby and I have seen a lot of people out on the refuges just breast them out and leave the legs and thighs--even on mallards! There was one day when we got to the refuge a day early, and there at the check out there was a guy breasting out his mallards. I went up to him and offered to show him how to also take the legs and thighs (what would you call that--thigh/leg out?). He watched, decided it was more work than he wanted to do. The ranger there let my hubby and I have as much as our limits for that day would be if we had hunted that day. We had a really nice saute of duck legs and thighs that evening! Also, the skin on your better tasting ducks like mallards, teal etc., really taste good with the skin on, and since they are wild, there is not much fat on them (compared to a domestic duck)
Spoonies taste like mud.
:P
Bassai--Hahahahahaha--you think Spoonies taste like mud, ya ought to try a bite of Mud Hen (American Coot)! Yes, I've tried it--and all the skin and fat--every single atom of it, must be off of it, or it will taste worse! Once in a great while my hubby and I will bag one for our German Shepherd, Ben. He likes the skin and fat too--he seems to like coot! But I tried a little saute'd up with onion once. I am able to tolerate it better than my hubby--yes, he tried it too, just so that he would know if it was something he would like or not. Well, both of us could eat it just fine if we were starving........
Let's see. You decide to fly a toy up over a group of people who enjoy shooting at fast moving objects in the sky as sport, and then are upset they shot your fast moving toy, in the sky?
its in their lib logic 101 handbook.
Good Shooting. It'll make for good practice for when the government starts using them on our citizens. Or, when they start using more of them. Buy More Guns America. We are going to need them.
Buy more guns "Made in America". It's the patriotic thing to do.
Firearms for Responsible Citizens
Arm all pigeons! Pigeons have 2nd amendment rights too, ya know!
Then we'll see how happy and witty you so-called "sportsmen" feel when they start shooting back at you, won't we? Yee haw!
Maybe the SHARK folks have invented a new sport.
next up on Real TV .....snipe hunts gone wild............
I am not a gun lover, but you have to admit this is hilarious. "Hey look Jeb, it's a flying camera - let's shoot it!" Why don't they do something constructive with the camera, like fly over a nudist colony.
now that would be a great idea....wonder how many are going to read that comment and actually try it. but at 4K a pop think i would rather just join the colony, its cheaper and interaction with others is much more fun then pictures................:)