Yes that's exactly what happened. I was on the bus at the same time. I saw the whole thing.

so why did he have a LOADED GUN for show and tell?

And you know this kid was white, how?

nobody said the boy was white

Nobody said the suspect was white.

But it was a private school bus heading towards a private school. Infer what you may from that and current demographics about American wealth distribution among racial groups. We certainly know what inferences would be made if the article stated the incident occured on a public school bus heading to a public school in an urban area.

Crystal Not sure but look at the picture above and I would bet that the cop was standing in front of the shooter and he looked white with black hair. Could been Cuban or the like.

The only thing that is certain is that we need less bleeding heart imbeciles that coddle criminals while attributing supernatural powers to inanimate objects.

How many times today are you going to post the same stupid comment?

Wow, Wow Another brain commenting !! You want to send a child to join the taiban how smart can you get. Why not execute children instead. It was just a very young kid. You don't know the details of what happened do you__mayhave been a accident for all you know.

Like Terry51025 said..it was show and tell day.

Your thought processes are part of the problem.

Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah! Everything is someone else's fault. Try looking at America's joy of propagating violence! All these TV shows and movies with violence and explicit showing of viciousness.

America is grooming our kids to be violent. Wake up and smell what we are cooking!

Again,

Try looking at America's joy of propagating violence! All these TV shows and movies with violence and explicit showing of viciousness. We read these stories all the time - these people come in ALL colors and races!

America is grooming our kids to be violent. Wake up and smell what we are cooking!

How many times for this same post, now? 6,7? I've lost track. I know your thought process is slow, but try to think of something new. You've become more than just a little redundant!

I'm sorry but blaming america for your ignorant childs actions cause that makes sense no its called real parenting and some people should have a class or two my daughter is 4 and theres no way in hell she watches or plays any games with violence or any of that don't blame america and society for your failure to be an actual parent quit trying to be your kids best friend

Crystal - Well, your comment is stupid because we don't have parent police. So, some aren't parenting well. Of course your 4 year old isn't watching violent stuff - but older kids are - and the parents are not always aware what the kids are watching. In case you haven't noticed, violence is everywhere in America!

Stuttgart forgot that 88% of Romney's support was from white people alone. ALL OTHER GROUPS - blacks, Latinos, Asians, Jews, and some whites - voted for Obama.

So which is more racist: a coalition of various groups (of which the "dread" African-American electorate was just one of many) who all voted in overwhelming majorities for the President, or a large majority share of one single ethnic group making up the overwhelming majority of the losing canidate's support.

And if you still can't figure out where the racial animus in the last election sprung from watch a bunch of Romney campaign videos on YouTube and count all the minority groups represented. But don't do so holding your breath waiting for the next person of color to appear in the background unless you like passing out from lack of oxygen.)

Answer: Mitt Romney, the last Great White Hope.

Oh, let me guess: all those other groups who voted in huge majorities for Obama (those who aren't black, in Stuttgart's mental midget mathematics) just wanted "free stuff" from the government and white people, being the selfless, noble, and unbiased constituents they have always been through our history, only wanted what was best for the country. Just like they did when social welfare programs were exclusively designed to service white people - while everyone else including minorities still had to pay for them with their own tax dollars - and the rest were wholly barred from full participation in American politics due to the "tyranny of the majority" of the majority culture.

Stuttgart - you should try pulling your head out of Edward Bernays' tookus and stop drinking that western imperialist Kool-Aide they been mixing since the time that "Manifest Destiny" was a good euphemism for land theft and racialized social subjugation.

"Just like they did when social welfare programs were exclusively designed to service white people"

Point in Fact: Welfare was started as a type of reparation for slavery. Get your facts straight!

You are wrong, Mike! Welfare was started long before any reparation for slavery.

APR, read your history, son. You are wrong!

actually she was and she died you moron

Watch the name calling, Crystal. The article has been updated since it first came out! Think maybe you owe an apology.

Absolutely. Hate those gun haters. We should have more guns. Every kid should have a gun. Even pets should have guns. Gun never kills. Gun is not meant to kill. If the rationale that guns kill is true then the rationale that the earth is round will also be said is true. We all know the world is flat just as we all know that gun never kills. Morons are people who blame it on the gun. It's not alive. NRA seems to be the only ones trying hard to educate the illiterate americans. Look around the world all those drug lords, those military rulers, those criminals, they all have guns that don't kill. It's those people who kill. Poor guns are balmed for every thing. Imagine what theo world would be if there were no guns - a hellhole.

Could you be any dumber? I doubt it!

OldDog - What sucks is an Old Dog who thinks it is fine to berate other people. You are a dildo!

AllPeopleRights You have to forgive OldDog hes old and has alzheimers . His brain has dimished with age. I'm old also and know I can't think as straight as I use to but still have my common sense which he has lost in aging.

Wow, your conversation has dissolved into incoherent, sarcastic babble. Stop dancing around the actual issue.

"You are a dildo" - This is prime evidence of your mental maturity, and thus, your competence to debate this subject. I had a teacher who once said that the lowest form of political debate was name calling.

I guess you read a different story than the rest of us. Nowhere in the story I read does it say the girl is dying! Oh, I get it, in your mind gunshot equals dying. Every other country in the world laughs at us and our views on weapons? Yeah, in your fantasies. Join the rest of us in the real world!

actually the new story well same story diff headline did say she died

Hey OldDog, who berates everyone else. The update is that the girl died.

You are an ugly old troll with an ugly attitude.

Joel, please feel free to move to any of these "superior" countries that you wax idiotic about. This is the US where we have a unique culture and set of problems. Maybe the citizens of these laughing countries are simply giddy because they don't have urban cesspools like DC, Detroit, LA, Chicago, Tampa Bay, NYC, Philly, etc., etc.

You're an idiot! Your silly attempts at sarcasm are pathetic!

Everyone is an idiot except OldDog. LOL, LOL, LOL. OldDog needs another drink and a nap!

There goes that so called genius insulting people again that doesn't know what he is talking about. PangS(Deep South) is saying exactly what the gun crazy NRA idiots keep yelling.

Like a debate I had with a NRA member he was of an opinion that if some one in the theater had a hand gun so many wouldn't have been killed. The shooter was heavily armed with assault rifles and an armoured vest on so there would have been a shoot out and more killed Mentally ill people always believe its every one else but them selves that mentally ill so forgive OldDog47 for such crazy comments.

"Like a debate I had with a NRA member he was of an opinion that if some one in the theater had a hand gun so many wouldn't have been killed. The shooter was heavily armed with assault rifles and an armoured vest on so there would have been a shoot out and more killed Mentally ill people always believe its every one else but them selves that mentally ill so forgive OldDog47 for such crazy comments"

Hey there Clayton; news flash!!!! The "Joker" picked the theatre that he shot up BECAUSE it didn't allow concealed carry. There were several theatres closer to home that allowed it; this did happen in Colorado, after all. I am a veteran and have been involved in two "incidents" in civilian life; because of armed people no harm came to anyone, including the moron criminal. BTW, what does this have to do with an innocent 13 yr old girl who was killed.....

Mike, it has nothing to do with the girl who was killed. Just like this story has nothing to do with the girl. All this story is is a weak attempt to encourage more political division and discourse.

yes she was shot with a potatoe gun, so you are dummer then you sound. mr concerned, the word shot is being used way out of context here.

Your response made absolutely no sense, so talk about sounding dumber than you are. (yes mine is spelled correctly) The point I was making is that people were politicizing this story without concern that there is a child fighting for her life, I was merely hoping to bring the concern back to the well being of the child.

The girl has since been pronounced dead, this is such a sad loss of a young person's life. Prayers to her family and may the court system provide quick justice for her.

There won't be any justice, the shooter was a minor also. Sad to hear the girl died! The death of a young person is always tragic, no matter the cause.

The same post AGAIN? You suck!!!!!!!

You suck, OldDog! You have berated people like crazy on this post. You are a negative, ugly, bullying OldDog troll!

you two guys are funny.

"You are a negative, ugly, bullying OldDog troll!"

This coming from the person who keeps reposting the same thing over and over.

ralph I am also an old man (born when Coolidge was president)and I feel the same way as you although I doubt if I ever would have used one . I do own a handgun but I don't feel the need to carry it. Theres a lot of people carrying a gun legally that has a bad temper and most likely use one when mad.

"Lets put it this way, when the situation arises, if you don't have a gun, you might survive and continue to live a normal life or if you have a gun you can look at paying the consequences until the day you die."

Let's put it this way, when the situation arises, if you don't have a gun, you are going to rely on the "kindness" of a criminal for your survival or you can have a gun and more likely walk away. The consequences? You killed a scumbag and improved society for all of us. I could sleep with that!

Clayton, I have a gun and a bad temper. I also have complete control of myself. The only time anyone would have to worry about me would be if they threatened anyone in my presence. If you piss me off; you'll get a piece of my mind, that's it. Why can't we be trusted to think for ourselves anymore; why can't we be responsible for our own actions and no others?

So there are NO whites in Homestead? Why does it matter? A kid got shot. The shallowness of some folks never stops amazing me.

Zsurely - Racism is not a "quality". Grow up!

Zsurely; Take alook at the picture the cop talking to a boy with black hair that looked like a white boy which I presume was the shooter.

Phoenyx13

You make some valid points, but the most telling that you made was the following, wherein you prove the point you're trying to disprove:

and the person actually kills with the aid of the gun

They're your words not mine. And you go on to note that the person COULD have accomplished the same deed without the aid of a firearm.

It could have been accomplished just as easily with a knife. In addition your argument is also silly stupid and not productive...guns, knives,rocks, or any other weapon are inanimate objects and require the manipulation of an individual. The real focus should be on the parents, since they obviously failed in their job of raising this child,as well as allowing him access to firearms he clearly wasn't responsible enough to handle(although it is unclear where he got the gun). Your ignorance is clearly apparent. That being said put a loaded gun on a table and stare at it until it jumps up and kills someone.....you'll be waiting an eternity. There is no such thing as an accidental discharge, guns do not go off by themselves, they must be acted upon by an outside force(human). A more appropriate term would be unintentional discharge. The very notion of an accidental discharge reflects this societies inability to take responsibility their actions, claiming things are unavoidable blaming them on the actions of others or inanimate objects. I agree there is no place for a gun on a school bus. I am also glad you are anti-gun, your ignorance proves that you are not clearly responsible enough to own one. So, keep your uninformed comments to yourself.

spartan6

I prefer the term Negligent Discharge. As you likely appreciate, no RESPONSIBLE firearms owner/user has an "accidental discharge" of a firearm.

you are correct XDM9mm,

those are my words, my point is also that you can't say only People Kill People, in very rare instances is that true, they need the aid of something - especially from a distance - and in the case of bullets, what do you think you need ? get it ?

i can more easily identify and defend myself from someone who will attack me with a knife, shovel, pick axe or whatever else as opposed to a gun.

spartan6 - stop showing off your low IQ by assuming you know any of my positions on gun stances. just to give you some information - i'm actually not anti-gun, go figure right ? someone who is not anti-gun and still doesn't agree with the statement "guns don't kill people, people kill people"

now knock off your ignorance, ok ? i do agree - parents responsibility should definitely be looked at in this instance. that i do not contest.

should i own a gun ? quite frankly i do own a gun, will it ever see the light of day ? NO. i don't need a gun, i am not apart of the paranoid crowd that feels they have to bring a gun to the grocery store because someone unknown masked man might just start shooting up the place giving them the chance to live out their Wild West fantasies and make that grocery store into the OK Corral. there are plenty of other ways to defend yourself - a gun just happens to be the laziest and easiest way to do it, period.

so you should keep YOUR uninformed comments to yourself and stop showing off your low IQ by assuming things about people you don't know.

i do agree with your terminology of unintentional discharge as opposed to accidental, but the lines do get blurred as to which one is appropriate under which circumstances.

anything else you wish to debate ? my point still stands - that bullet didn't just magically appear in the victim, it needed help getting there. a gun is designed to KILL, that is its purpose.

unless of course you want to tell me how many times you successfully manually inserted a bullet into your victim without the aid of a gun ?

Phoenyx13

I'm hardly one that would be called paranoid. I AM prepared for the event I hope never happens again. Please note I did say again. I HAVE had to use my firearm, in defense of another actually. Fortunately I did NOT have to fire, but I would have if necessary. I don't have any pretensions of being Jason Bourne and know I am quite unable to take on about 10 young men (commonly referred to as low life scumbag street thug dirt bags).

And you're also being a bit pretentious by insinuating another has a low IQ when you disagree with what they have to say. If you're unable to logically and intelligently support your own position, I would suggest looking in a mirror when indicating IQ.

And I very seriously doubt if you own any firearm.

for the most part XDm9mm, you are a nice person, we have our disagreements but i have no bones to pick with you.. until you start showing off your low IQ as well.

yes, i do own a firearm, so you can take your previous thought and shove it back into your head if there is room.

assuming otherwise and in general, assuming anything about me is showing off a low IQ since you didn't actually research anything first, you just assumed you knew the facts without actually knowing them - that is just plain stupid and thusly showing off your low IQ.

the only time i have referred to the other poster showing off a low IQ is when they assumed anything about me and attacked me first, thusly i'm defending with facts about myself. did you follow the whole conversation or just skim it for anything you felt was interesting and then filled in the rest yourself ?

the only things i disagreed with the poster was - i am not anti-gun (as they stupidly assumed i was) and i do own a gun (as you BOTH stupidly assumed i didn't), so there you go - you got your facts.

i didn't disagree with any other points.. and my question was never answered nor my point disproven.. instead you took the time to try to insult me which shows you have no valid points.

as you stated - " If you're unable to logically and intelligently support your own position, I would suggest looking in a mirror when indicating IQ. "

i didn't state that you were part of that paranoid crowd, so you didn't need to defend yourself on that one, good try tho. the only things you should defend are the point i made and the question i asked.. or you can look in the mirror as indicated by your own words

anything else ?

I'll only make one simple statement. If you had the ability to cogently construct a sentence properly, indicate to which party you were referring and stop the rambling gibberish, your position might actually be comprehensible to others.

I think you missed the point in that a projectile, in this case a bullet, requires conscious thought and ,yes, manipulation to reach its intended target. The manipulation of squeezing the trigger, much like the release of an arrow or the throw of a spear. Does a thrown spear magically enter its target?No, not with out the hand that threw it. Yes, the end result of a bullet impacting a living being can lead to death, also guns were originally designed to kill. The whole point of "Guns don't kill people, People kill people!" is that a gun/bullet/projectile of any kind is useless without the manipulation of the individual and conscious thought behind it. As far as magically inserting a bullet into a target, I would be glad divulge this information, I imagine that it is about the same amount of times that you discharged your firearm without a conscious thought required to squeeze the trigger. And yes my IQ is low, in the low 160's.

XDm9mm,

please don't tell me you didn't figure out that the whole block paragraph above your response was specifically written for you!

if you didn't figure it out - here you go - THAT WAS ALL FOR YOU XDm9mm !

got it ? good :)

now as for my grammar and sentence construction - i will agree, it is definitely terrible when I end up writing on these comment sections, it comes out more like a string of thoughts or a conversation...

and it shocks me that you haven't had a string of thoughts or a conversation before and can't piece everything together..

if you need help, just ask. ok ? other than that - you can answer the question i asked spartan or disprove my point that i made earlier.

anything else i can help you wish XDm9mm ??

spartan,

why thank you for actually debating the point, i give you credit for that :)

anyway, the thing that stuck out the most was this phrase -

"The whole point of "Guns don't kill people, People kill people!" is that a gun/bullet/projectile of any kind is useless without the manipulation of the individual and conscious thought behind it. As far as magically inserting a bullet into a target, I would be glad divulge this information, I imagine that it is about the same amount of times that you discharged your firearm without a conscious thought required to squeeze the trigger."

the gun/bullet/projectile of any kind is useless without the manipulation of the individual, i will agree with that. i will agree there needs to be conscious thought as well. but my point is (again) - that bullet would NOT get very far unless a GUN was involved. .. am i wrong ?

maybe you use a slingshot for your bullets ? anyway, so a gun is definitely needed and without that gun - the bullet wouldn't be able to really accomplish much, huh ?

but yet.. i thought it was solely the person who killed people - so maybe there is a large crowd of people manually inserting bullets into other people that no one is aware of...

there are a large number of people out there who are all about guns, except when there is someone who is dead by being shot - then they magically forget the gun was involved at all.

On the most part a gun is not a tool but was originally intended to be one when first invented . Now days they are for the most part just an adult dangerous toys !! We have laws on dangerous toys for children so why not on adult toys also.

I don't want to nullify that a gun was used at all. However, I think it would be wiser to focus on the individual rather than the implement, so this is less likely to happen in the future. As for the gun laws, there are plenty of them, a real solution isn't more laws but finding ways the laws we have can be effectively enforced(without ruining it for the million of responsible users).

spartan - i can definitely agree with you on that. the laws need to be effectively enforced and sadly they are not.

i do think there should be focus on the individual as well, but not sole focus, the individual could not have accomplished embedding bullets into their victim without the aid of that gun.

i give you credit, and i can come to an agreement with you even if there are smaller points we may still disagree on :)

have a good day !

Have a good day as well :)

So Phoeny, you are implying three things. First, that if a human being makes up his or her mind to kill, and a gun is NOT present, he or she can not therefor kill. Second, That being in possession of a gun means a person must WANT to kill. Third, that a gun in ones possession will be a deciding factor weather one kills or not.

Human being were killing one another long before the advent of gun powder. Would you advocate banning bows and arrows should you read an article involving a slaying by this means?

You see, by your definition I should be a killer. I carry a gun every, single day at work. I have not shot at anyone since I left the Marine Corps. My gun has made me do...nothing.

Doesn't matter. Doesn't make you less troll-like. BTW...if you click on the little 'reply' icon in the bottom right corner of a comment, you can actually post on the comment thread...makes you appear to be more savvy than posting a follow up comment on the next page. Just sayin'