FBI raids Detroit Public Library main offices

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A file image of the Detroit Public Library, whose main offices were raided by FBI agents Tuesday.

Updated at 5:30 p.m. ET: A different sort of research took place at the Detroit Public Library on Tuesday, as FBI officials armed with search warrants entered the library's main offices and scoured through records, according to local news reports.

Nine FBI agents were at the library's main offices in Detroit on Tuesday morning, The Detroit News reported. They arrived at 8 a.m. and left around 11 a.m., with three cardboard boxes and "what appeared to be computer equipment," according to the newspaper.


"I don't know how many (search) warrants," library spokesperson A.J. Funchess told The Detroit News. "They aren't really sharing a lot of information right now."

While Funchess acknowledged the library raid, he declined to provide any further comment to NBC News.

The Detroit News reported that authorities spent much of their time in the offices of the library's chief administrative officer, Tim Cromer, who according to the newspaper has been the center of several spending controversies.

The FBI also reportedly raided Cromer's house Tuesday, a source told The Detroit News.

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A spokesperson for the FBI in Detroit, Simon Shaykhet, declined to comment.

The president of the Detroit Library Commission, Jonathan Kinloch, told Detroit NBC affiliate WDIV that the FBI’s action is justified. The commission is a seven-member group that governs Detroit's library system, and they are appointed by the Detroit Public Schools' Board of Education.

"Based on all of the concerns that have been raised over the past few months, you would expect that at this particular point there would be some outside review of the activities to see whether or not there's any wrongdoing," Kinloch told WDIV.

Detroit's library system has seen its share of woes. Last year, two of its 23 branches were closed and there was a 20 percent cut in staff, according to the Detroit Free Press. The system also faces a $10 million deficit, the Free Press added.

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Comment author avatarTodd-651965Expand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

Perhaps Detroit should consider closing most of its libraries since fewer and fewer of its residents can read...

  • 41 votes
#1 - Tue Nov 20, 2012 12:21 PM EST

Detroit's library system has seen its share of woes. Last year, two of its 23 branches were closed and there was a 20 percent cut in staff, according to the Detroit Free Press. The system also faces a $10 million deficit, the Free Press added.

But....but....but.....Mr. Obama SAVED the auto industry therefore more folks are working, have idle time, and should have been going to the local library to become more politically informed.

Wait a minute.....it couldn't be because Library employees were "cooking the budget books".....NAH.

  • 21 votes
#1.1 - Tue Nov 20, 2012 12:35 PM EST

Ahahah, so is so sad, it borders on funny.

Side note, there burning books, whats next..

  • 4 votes
#1.2 - Tue Nov 20, 2012 12:50 PM EST

This will only become an issue if the union Librarians get lay off notices. The city is now 2 weeks out of Bancruptsy and the SEIU and the Teachers union are DEMANDING more, they EXPECT Mr. Obama to bail out Detroit.

  • 17 votes
#1.3 - Tue Nov 20, 2012 12:57 PM EST
Comment author avatardon97524Expand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

So we have a story about the administration cooking the books and we read negative comments about the Detroit citizens, union librarians and teachers. I'm guessing these ridiculous comments come from the right wing goofballs who seek opportunities to criticize these same folks no matter what the real issues are ...... and I know my guess is correct.

  • 25 votes
#1.4 - Tue Nov 20, 2012 1:13 PM EST

Detroit is on the verge of collapse, a ghost town when it happens. State receivership has been waiting in the wings for years, delayed by politic.

Detroit is the future of America if the American people continue to believe in socialism, borrow-and-spend mentality, and Big government.

  • 28 votes
#1.5 - Tue Nov 20, 2012 1:15 PM EST

Financial hanky-panky, or is the FBI looking for citizen reading lists in their hunt for 'terrorists'?

  • 13 votes
#1.6 - Tue Nov 20, 2012 1:42 PM EST

Side note, there (sic) burning books, whats (sic) next..

Lunkystraydog - well, it's apparent that you aren't spending too much time at your local library.

  • 10 votes
#1.7 - Tue Nov 20, 2012 1:44 PM EST

scales - you beat me to it

Hukt awn foniks wurkt fer hem

  • 6 votes
#1.8 - Tue Nov 20, 2012 1:46 PM EST

You must not be aware of all the good things going on in Detoit. Lots of young new professionals moving Downtown. How sad at the negative comments here. Many times these negative comments are made by those who have never been here or if they have it's been decades ago. If only folks coulds see us now...

  • 7 votes
#1.9 - Tue Nov 20, 2012 2:00 PM EST

IDO - get over the loss of the election; blaming Obama for the library woes is pretty pathetic. How about whoever's responsible take ownership. Wait a sec, most people would rather bob and weave, duck for cover than admit they screwed up. Blaming Obama is quite trite these days, bud.

  • 12 votes
#1.10 - Tue Nov 20, 2012 2:00 PM EST

The bookie got busted so nobody has to pay their overdue book fees.

  • 5 votes
#1.11 - Tue Nov 20, 2012 2:10 PM EST

The Feds are going after all those over-due book fines to help out the budget!

  • 4 votes
#1.12 - Tue Nov 20, 2012 2:19 PM EST

Would Canada be willing to consider annexing Detroit? Get it off the United States ledger completely. Everytime I think that I've read the last "Detroit Horror Story", up pops another one. I mean really guys, you're screwing up the library system? Is there no area free from graft ad corruption in the entire city. It's shameful.

For those decent people in Detroit who are captive to work, have familial ties, or lack the funds for mobility, you have my sympathy. It just shows how far greed and never-ending self-interest motives can bring a once thriving area to the brink of irrelevancy.

  • 7 votes
#1.13 - Tue Nov 20, 2012 2:25 PM EST

Detroit has to be the most corrupt city in the nation. What they need is Chuck Norris to clean up the town.

  • 4 votes
#1.14 - Tue Nov 20, 2012 2:30 PM EST

The FBI wouldn't find much to interest them in my library. We don't keep those records for just that purpose. Our computers erase themselves at the end of every day when they are shut down so browsing history is not available. It also keeps idiots from screwing up our machines. I appreciate all this Homeland Security stuff but stay out of my library you've gove too far! We don't ban books either (or burn them Luckydog).

  • 3 votes
#1.15 - Tue Nov 20, 2012 2:33 PM EST

A library adminstrator is being investigated, therefore it must be union auto workers' fault. Makes perfect sense in a teabirther world.

  • 5 votes
#1.16 - Tue Nov 20, 2012 2:52 PM EST

Detroit, keep your thugs out of my county in Ohio. Just last week two of your thugs came here and killed one of our residents in a gun battle next to a child day care center. Keep your crime in Detroit, we have enough of our own.

  • 3 votes
#1.17 - Tue Nov 20, 2012 3:14 PM EST

DownriverDem You must not be aware of all the good things going on in Detoit. Lots of young new professionals moving Downtown.

Right ... opened our office downtown and same night office girl attacked and raped by (guess) in our new parking structure! Good things? What, fresh meat? Detroit is still a war zone and political cesspool just like Chicago etc.

  • 8 votes
#1.18 - Tue Nov 20, 2012 3:18 PM EST

Crazy Steve-1996926

Financial hanky-panky, or is the FBI looking for citizen reading lists in their hunt for 'terrorists'?

Ahh. I was wondering how long it would take some tool to pop up with some sort of Big Brother bullsh*t.

  • 1 vote
#1.19 - Tue Nov 20, 2012 4:17 PM EST

detroit back in the news; nothing new there.

  • 1 vote
#1.20 - Tue Nov 20, 2012 4:17 PM EST

Child porn???

    #1.21 - Tue Nov 20, 2012 4:37 PM EST

    Detroit

    Once the hub of our industrial power. Today it's a soulless city filled with apathy, mediocrity, hope and change. Prosperity once flourished here, today poverty is its epitaph. The home of one of the greatest captains of industry, Henry Ford, has been reduced to a populace indoctrinated in dependency.

    As Ford Motor Company clings to its sovereignty, it stands alone as the only real surviving icon of a once thriving industry. The Big Three has been reduced to a survivor, a foreign entity and a nationalized embarrassment. The auto industry that we once dominated struggles as the populace has been minimized by corruption. A once proud city of millions is a wasteland with no future in sight.

    Liberalism/Progressivism has left its fingerprint squarely on this once great city. Its irrational social and economic justice propaganda has been exposed for the hoax it really is. A virtual circus of Liberal mayors, city council members and sundry administrators have summarily destroyed Detroit.

    A consortium of Liberal ideology and union thuggery has reduced a major American city to insignificance. The auto-capital of the world now competes to be the murder capital, a dubious honor. As this city prospered from its roots in the Underground Railroad to an industrial force unseen before, the slow insidious infiltration of Liberalism has reduced it to chaos. Mustangs, Corvettes and Barracudas dominated the landscape, today rusted shells and empty dreams litter the streets and neighborhoods.

    An illiterate populace now predominates and its only hope is more dependency. Poverty strips any ambition and possible improvement as the Liberal solution is always, more government. From Coleman Young to Kwame Kilpatrick, the typical Liberal "Bread and Circuses" promise continues. Any realistic attempt at helping the despondent masses is attacked as racist, and instead, more taxpayer money is demanded.

    It will take decades to reform this once great city, if at all. The population must be educated that the only way out of poverty is not through more welfare but through education. The prevailing mentality of Liberalism/Progressivism must be replaced with pride, ambition and exceptionalism. Liberalism loves crisis as it hands out more but never enough. It claims it wants to help but it only makes it worse. It promises hope but refuses real change. The status quo is demonized yet it is continued to maintain its manipulative grasp of the unwashed masses.

    It’s sad to see a once prosperous city with hard working good Americans to be so manipulated by an ideology built on more of the same. Until the people throw down the Liberal/Progressive chains that bind them and denounce its lies and corruption nothing will change. Insanity is defined as doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.

    Insanity, meet Liberalism.

    • 6 votes
    #1.22 - Tue Nov 20, 2012 4:52 PM EST

    JimSpence....

    A very well written and poignant commentary...unfortunately many on the left will call you a racist or a bigot for you telling it like it is...I hope that someday they wake up and see that their policies lead us down the wrong path....you only need to look at Detroit to see it first hand.

    • 3 votes
    #1.23 - Tue Nov 20, 2012 5:49 PM EST

    Amen Jim, amen. So very well stated.

    • 2 votes
    #1.24 - Tue Nov 20, 2012 8:00 PM EST
    Reply

    ...as if taking away opportunities to read will help that problem.

    • 10 votes
    Reply#2 - Tue Nov 20, 2012 12:24 PM EST

    It's Detroit... what else is new? their libraries check out crack pipes and books on how to dismember people and dispose in a river.

    • 5 votes
    #2.1 - Tue Nov 20, 2012 3:38 PM EST

    They have libraries in Detroit ?

    Most Americans today,under 40 would ask "What's a library ?"

    • 6 votes
    #2.2 - Tue Nov 20, 2012 4:04 PM EST

    Liam, actually, it's the other way around. Most of the Americans over 40 think a library is a waste of time until they need to do a computer search and they lost their internet connection. Most of the libraries in this country have higher than adequate collections of paper books, excellent periodical departments - including multiple newspaper subscriptions to aid in job searches, exceptional online resources - such as databases that can assist in PhD level research as well as Elementary research and Geneology, and reference services to help those who are lost as to what steps to take to find the information they seek. Most of the people over 40 do not read books, they don't read newspapers - they just get information from sites on the internet without reguard to whether they are actually factual or not. The number of over 40 people who actually believe chain email letters about unfactual events is astounding. The under 40 crowd know that you can check out music, art, magazines, movies, books, and even video games - and you can go to the library to aid in your search for a job. Obviously you haven't been to one in a while - nor have you been to Detroit.

    • 3 votes
    #2.3 - Tue Nov 20, 2012 4:34 PM EST

    liam-1161783, you obviously haven't BEEN in a library for about 40 years.

    • 1 vote
    #2.4 - Tue Nov 20, 2012 4:43 PM EST

    Libraries were my mainstay during college, but since then... no need. I am not an avid reader due to working three jobs, but if i were, i would simply have a kindle or something of that sort. Not saying libraries are bad to have because they do come in handy.

    • 1 vote
    #2.5 - Tue Nov 20, 2012 5:03 PM EST
    Reply

    Is there a book on how to honestly operate a library ?

    • 13 votes
    Reply#3 - Tue Nov 20, 2012 12:37 PM EST

    Detroit Libraries for Dummies?

    • 8 votes
    #3.1 - Tue Nov 20, 2012 12:40 PM EST

    detroit back in the news; no news there.

    • 1 vote
    #3.2 - Tue Nov 20, 2012 4:26 PM EST

    There doesn't need to be one. Most people who operate libraries are honest people. Besides, Libraries are among the first to have budget cuts because some people think they are "frills" and "not necessary" even though they are often among the first stop for people looking for jobs. If you want money to embezzle, you really shouldn't stop at the library because it's more lucrative to go elsewhere.

    • 2 votes
    #3.3 - Tue Nov 20, 2012 4:38 PM EST
    Reply

    damn! -- those overdue books will just KILL you!

    • 7 votes
    Reply#4 - Tue Nov 20, 2012 12:40 PM EST

    Nothing can help after what Colman Young did to Detroit. It has become a waste land where white men fear to tread and it isn't any better for the black men either.

    • 23 votes
    Reply#5 - Tue Nov 20, 2012 12:47 PM EST

    Ah, you must be a fellow Detroiter. Colman Young created the corruption pyramid that became the model for Kwame to follow. Mayor Archer was the only one smart enough to quit after one term. You are correct by saying nothing can help. Archer knew that.

    • 21 votes
    #5.1 - Tue Nov 20, 2012 1:01 PM EST

    Like I said. Folks like you must not even be from here.

    • 1 vote
    #5.2 - Tue Nov 20, 2012 2:03 PM EST

    Lived here all my life, aside from the years serving my country. It's sickening to see what has happened in Detroit. The house I grew up in is just a heap of wood and bricks. It's been that way for over a year now. I don't even jump at the sound of gunshots anymore unless they're really close. People shouldn't become numb to these things, but when it's part of daily life what do you expect.

    My guess is that you live around Southgate and have very little to worry about.

    • 13 votes
    #5.3 - Tue Nov 20, 2012 2:21 PM EST

    Sorry D-D but you must not be from around here.

    • 2 votes
    #5.4 - Tue Nov 20, 2012 4:01 PM EST
    Reply

    Just another day in the D. Corruption at city hall, library, water dept, etc. High school drop-out rates are at 34 percent. Fewer cops and fire fighters, and those that remain are making just over minimum wage. And the racial divide is at an all time high. What's not to love?!

    I haven't seen the local news today, but it's probably like any other day... more carjackings, murders, break-ins, fires, and lost infants wandering the streets alone.

    • 10 votes
    #6 - Tue Nov 20, 2012 12:49 PM EST
    Comment author avatarEd PokoExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

    Let's have another vote for O BUM MA!!!!

    • 10 votes
    #6.1 - Tue Nov 20, 2012 12:56 PM EST

    Detroiters don't even know anything about Obama other than he's a black guy. Also that he will encourage people to have 6 babies and no job to pay for them. Amazingly my neighbor has 6 kids with no daddy, and yet she rolls around in a year old Escalade. How do I get in on that??

    The city of entitlement. If you have something someone else wants, they are entitled to take it from you instead of working for it. It's not like the cops will get involved.

    • 20 votes
    #6.2 - Tue Nov 20, 2012 1:07 PM EST

    Ed

    What an absolutely ridiculous, unsupported and hateful comment. Have you no idea how to participate in a useful conversation?

    • 17 votes
    #6.3 - Tue Nov 20, 2012 1:15 PM EST

    Don,

    I think Ed is bitter about the fact that Detroiters vote based on race alone. The city government doesn't consist of a single white person, and our current mayor was elected because he's a former basketball player. African Americans are the overwhelming majority in Detroit, and they don't take kindly to any white people suggesting how to fix things. I honestly believe places like Detroit are what keep racism alive in this country.

    • 22 votes
    #6.4 - Tue Nov 20, 2012 1:32 PM EST

    Amazingly my neighbor has 6 kids with no daddy, and yet she rolls around in a year old Escalade.

    Anecdotal evidence again. The best, most trust-worthy kind.

    • 5 votes
    #6.5 - Tue Nov 20, 2012 1:36 PM EST

    It would be anecdotal if there weren't 12 similar cases on my street alone.

    • 15 votes
    #6.6 - Tue Nov 20, 2012 1:43 PM EST

    I think Ed is bitter about the fact that Detroiters vote based on race alone

    Gee ... I wonder how non-white Americans felt about that for a few hundred years. Ya think "bitter"?

    I honestly believe places like Detroit are what keep racism alive in this country.

    Partially perhaps. But you don't think a few centuries of racism on the side of whites has anything to do with it either? And the fact that it still continues?

    Racism is on BOTH sides.

    • 5 votes
    #6.7 - Tue Nov 20, 2012 1:49 PM EST

    You are absolutely correct Beth, but where does it end? White people have made great improvements since the days of slavery and segregation, but racism is still stronger than ever. It's almost as if there needs to be retribution for the past. No matter how hard we try, we will always be the white devil.

    As long as the black community has this mentallity, there will be no progress. We're still trying to get our rednecks in-line, but they don't represent all of us.

    • 8 votes
    #6.8 - Tue Nov 20, 2012 1:59 PM EST

    I think they wanted to confiscate all the "how to grow marijuana plants"....they dont want people thinking for themselves and becoming self sustainable!

    • 3 votes
    #6.9 - Tue Nov 20, 2012 2:12 PM EST

    Loki

    You people who believe that African Americans voting for Democrats is racism are completely out of touch. African Americans vote for Democrats regardless of race and every Democratic presidential candidate in the past several generations have voted for the progressive candidates. The small number of African American Republican Congressional candidates are voted into office by white Republicans, not African Americans.

    You Republicans have a long way to go in your mission to "get our rednecks in line." Based on your comments, you appear to be one of them.

    • 4 votes
    #6.10 - Tue Nov 20, 2012 2:13 PM EST

    Hey It is not only the minority's it is all across America. I believe this is the 47% that was mention in the election.

    • 4 votes
    #6.11 - Tue Nov 20, 2012 2:14 PM EST

    Oh Don, I love when people assume because I have a stance on something like race or politics that I'm a republican. Apparently I struck a nerve with you.

    First of all, are you from Detroit? I've been here since the 70's. That's plenty of time to make any observations necessary to make my previous comments. You also don't appear to understand context. When I mentioned "our rednecks", I was trying to point out that there is still work to be done in the white community to curb racism. That was done to counter the point I made about the racism that exists in the black community. If it would help you, I will try to use smaller, simpler words.

    • 8 votes
    #6.12 - Tue Nov 20, 2012 2:32 PM EST

    Want to see some racism? Come to Texas. We have plenty to go around.

    • 4 votes
    #6.13 - Tue Nov 20, 2012 2:56 PM EST

    As long as the black community has this mentallity, there will be no progress. We're still trying to get our rednecks in-line, but they don't represent all of us.

    Did you READ what you wrote?

    It's the "black community", insinuating that ALL blacks have this attitude. Yet most whites are OK now, because "our rednecks don't represent all of us." In essence you are blaming ALL blacks but only a few whites. What does that say?

    • 3 votes
    #6.14 - Tue Nov 20, 2012 3:04 PM EST

    "Common sense is the collection of prejudices acquired by age 18. Few people are capable of expressing with equanimity opinions which differ from the prejudices of their social environment. Most people are even incapable of forming such opinions." Albert Einstein

    • 1 vote
    #6.15 - Tue Nov 20, 2012 3:07 PM EST

    Republicans were on the right side of the civil rights debate.
    It was the Dems that did everything to prevent its passage.

    In the House of Representatives, 80% of Republicans (138 for, 38 against) voted for the Civil Rights Act of 1964, while only 61% of Democrats (152 for, 96 against) voted for it.

    In the Senate, 69% of Democrats (46 for, 21 against) voted for the Act while 82% of Republicans did (27 for, 6 against). All southern Democrats voted against the Act.

    The Democrats filibustered 83 days against the bill.
    Albert Gore Sr, J. William Fulbright and former Klansman Robert Byrd were three of the Democrats who opposed the bill.
    Byrd filibustered for more than 14 hours and 13 minutes straight. He also opposed the nominations of the Supreme Court's only two black justices, Thurgood Marshall and Clarence Thomas.

    St. John F Kennedy voted against Eisenhower’s 1957 Civil Rights Act.

    It was Democrats like Lester Maddox, Orval Faubus and George Wallace, governors of Georgia, Arkansas and Alabama, who blocked the schoolhouse doors.

    While Governor of South Carolina, Sen. Ernest Hollings oversaw the raising of the Confederate flag over the Statehouse.

    Oh yeah. Democrat Supreme Court Justice Hugo Black was also a Klansman.

    Democrats opposed abolition.
    Democrats supported slavery and fought to expand it.
    Democrats supported and passed the Fugitive Slave Laws of 1793 & 1854.
    Democrats supported and passed the Missouri Compromise to protect slavery.
    Democrats supported and passed the Kansas Nebraska Act to expand slavery.
    Democrats supported and backed the Dred Scott Decision.
    Democrats supported and passed Jim Crow Laws.
    Democrats supported and passed Black Codes.
    Democrats opposed educating blacks.
    Democrats opposed the Reconstruction Act of 1867.
    Democrats opposed the Freedman’s Bureau as it pertained to blacks.
    Democrats opposed the Emancipation Proclamation.
    Democrats opposed the 13th , 14th, and 15th Amendments to end slavery, make black citizens and give blacks the right to vote.
    Democrats opposed the Civil Rights Act of 1866.
    Democrats opposed the Civil Right Act of 1875 and had it overturned by U.S. Supreme Court.
    Democrats opposed the 1957 Civil Rights Acts.
    Democrats argued against the passage of the 1964 Civil Rights Acts.
    Democrats argued against the passage of the 1965 Voting Rights Acts.
    Democrats voted against the 1972 Equal Employment Opportunity Act.
    Democrats supported and backed Judge John Ferguson in the case of Plessy v Ferguson
    Democrats supported the School Board of Topeka Kansas in the case of Brown v The Board of Education of Topeka Kansas.
    Southern Democrats opposed desegregation and integration.
    Democrats started the Ku Klux Klan.

    Who's on the wrong side?

    • 6 votes
    #6.16 - Tue Nov 20, 2012 3:26 PM EST

    Ok Beth, since you want to extrapolate what you want to hear from what I said I will reword my statement.

    'If people IN the black community HAVE this mentallity'

    Is that better? I apologize if my statement seemed to slight all black people, but if you lived in my neighborhood you would see the concentration of all the bad stereotypes associated with them. Just as you could probably see the worst in white people if you were a black person in Texas.

    • 2 votes
    #6.17 - Tue Nov 20, 2012 3:46 PM EST

    Who's on the wrong side?

    Well, you are certainly NOT on the historical side. You need to learn the difference between the Democratic party of today and the Southern Democrats of the past. Before you simply cut and paste, a basic understanding of American History is desirable.

    The Southern Democrats are now what is mostly today's Republican party. There has been almost a 180 in the roles of the two over the years, thus making that list rather invalid.

    • 4 votes
    #6.18 - Tue Nov 20, 2012 3:47 PM EST

    Loki -- I didn't extrapolate what I wanted to read ... I simply read what you wrote. Now, if you didn't write what you meant to say, that's on you. We all do that from time-to-time on these boards, but when it happens take it gracefully.

    Your statement certainly DID seem to slight all black people. I'm very glad to see that you did not mean it that way.

    • 1 vote
    #6.19 - Tue Nov 20, 2012 3:50 PM EST

    Don, you are insane... most african americans voted for obama because he was black. he received 97% of the vote of black people. Stats don't lie... ask them what they know about him, the more educated can tell you some things, but the uneducated... don't even get me started. it's all about entitlement for the majority.

    • 8 votes
    #6.20 - Tue Nov 20, 2012 3:54 PM EST

    Geez what a bunch of racists are in this thread. That goes especially for Carlitosway. You talk a good game there, but you know nothing about history.

    • 1 vote
    #6.21 - Tue Nov 20, 2012 4:41 PM EST

    debnran, it is not racism if it is true. Can you honestly sit there and tell me Obama won because of his performance? 5 trillion in additional debt, further conflict with Middle East and Libya, to name a couple of factors. No, he won for 2 reasons: 97% african american votes, 71% hispanics. Not being racist, but THEY mostly voted for him simply because of color. I am not saying THEY are racist, but that is the truth. Our society is way to dang sensitive. You say one thing with color involved and it is AUTOMATICALLY racism. What a bunch of bull crap. Is there racism, of course... but when talking about Obama, it is not automatically racism.

    • 6 votes
    #6.22 - Tue Nov 20, 2012 5:00 PM EST

    youdon'tknowjack

    Roughly the same percentage of African Americans voted for Bill Clinton. Bill Clinton, in case you hadn't noticed, is not black. He is, however, a Democrat. The Republican party does not embrace civil rights and therein lies the key to the voting pattern.

    • 2 votes
    #6.23 - Tue Nov 20, 2012 6:29 PM EST

    The Republican party does not embrace civil rights and therein lies the key to the voting pattern.

    As evidenced by some of the posts on this thread.

      #6.24 - Wed Nov 21, 2012 12:31 PM EST

      Hillary ran against Obama in the 2008 democratic presidential primary, Obama received approximately 85% of black vote. Statistics that show what? Blacks will vote for whites if there is not a black candidate in the race.

        #6.25 - Wed Nov 21, 2012 2:44 PM EST
        Reply

        Fahrenheit 451. This is how it starts, folks.

        • 10 votes
        Reply#7 - Tue Nov 20, 2012 12:50 PM EST

        i guess the 14 people that can read in detroit must be worried the rentabook center may be closed down.

        • 10 votes
        Reply#8 - Tue Nov 20, 2012 12:54 PM EST
        Reply

        On one hand, I wonder if someone was checking out subversive material, for example The Federalist Papers or Leviathan. On the other, I can't picture anybody in Detroit caring enough to read anything subversive except Marx.

        • 4 votes
        Reply#9 - Tue Nov 20, 2012 12:57 PM EST

        Have you ever read Marx? Hardly subversive, at least no more so than Ayn Rand.

        They were both completely wrong, BTW.

          #9.1 - Tue Nov 20, 2012 2:58 PM EST
          Reply

          $10,000,000 bucks!!! That is a lot of over due books that haven't been cooked!!!

          • 5 votes
          Reply#10 - Tue Nov 20, 2012 12:58 PM EST

          It's sad that people just can't run an honest business, corp., library, etc.

          Haven't these people learned from all the corporations before who tried "cooking the books" that their little plan always fails and they will always get caught. Might not be today, weeks, months or several years. But all bad things catch up to you.

          It's a shame that a public library system is now caught up in it. Kids and people in general already have a tough enough time being educated, especially in cities such as Detroit but to now have scandals going on with the Public Library System.... just ridiculous!

          • 5 votes
          Reply#11 - Tue Nov 20, 2012 1:18 PM EST

          If only they'd stuck to the Dewey Decimal System instead of playing with the decimals in the accounting office...

          • 6 votes
          Reply#12 - Tue Nov 20, 2012 1:20 PM EST

          Nothing was said about what was really going on.No charges have yet been filed,so everything right now is anybodies guess.One thing for sure though..something is sure rotten in Detroit.

          • 10 votes
          Reply#13 - Tue Nov 20, 2012 1:31 PM EST

          so close the library's down....the metal detectors at the doors keep most of the "citizens" out anyway......

          • 10 votes
          Reply#14 - Tue Nov 20, 2012 1:35 PM EST

          you are from eastern Iowa would be my guess.

          • 1 vote
          #14.1 - Tue Nov 20, 2012 1:43 PM EST

          epic comment!

          • 3 votes
          #14.2 - Tue Nov 20, 2012 3:17 PM EST
          Reply

          Came looking for insight on what might be happening.. but nope, just the Usual Newsvine retard's posts ! No wonder this country is F'd !

          • 3 votes
          Reply#15 - Tue Nov 20, 2012 1:38 PM EST

          jeff... "looking for insight" Lotsa' luck with that, amigo. It's more like... "Mine's bigger,stronger, smarter... Apparently that "E Pluribus Unum" thing isn't working out too well for some folks.

          • 2 votes
          #15.1 - Tue Nov 20, 2012 3:13 PM EST
          Reply

          "One thing for sure though..something is sure rotten in Detroit."

          Yeah...they're called liberal politicians!

          • 9 votes
          Reply#16 - Tue Nov 20, 2012 1:40 PM EST

          These days, most public libraries are little more than a squatting point for derelicts using public Internet computers.

          • 5 votes
          Reply#17 - Tue Nov 20, 2012 1:48 PM EST

          That is so wrong, I am a retired librarian and I use the libraries in whatever city I have visiting or living and they are bright, clean and full of people. Libraries are vibrant and provide a free education thru the books, cds, periodicals, etc. Don't knock libraries if you have not used yours you are wasting your money at the bookstores.

          • 5 votes
          #17.1 - Tue Nov 20, 2012 3:00 PM EST

          You've never been to he Boulder Library in Boulder, Colorado, I seen a bum washing his greasy hair in the sink one day! The place is rank with the smell of unwashed a$$. The funny thing about it, to Sees Thru Gloss's point, is that the amount of homeless people on the internet and nobody in the books section! Oh, and you'd think they would be breaking the keys on the keyboard trying to find a job, but no, the majority of them play games to pass time. Its sad cause that library is beautiful too.

          • 6 votes
          #17.2 - Tue Nov 20, 2012 3:28 PM EST
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          The real issue is sooo lost with all the ridiculous comments.. obviously the free internet services provided by the libraries are great resources for criminals and terrorists to use the computers. The story is lame, the comments are the same.

          • 5 votes
          Reply#18 - Tue Nov 20, 2012 1:49 PM EST

          Detroit. Another Democrat utopia that has failed miserably.

          • 9 votes
          Reply#19 - Tue Nov 20, 2012 1:54 PM EST

          well stated!!!!!!!!!!

          • 6 votes
          #19.1 - Tue Nov 20, 2012 1:58 PM EST
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          What is the FBI looking for?

          Someone who was looking up - how to make a Dirty Bomb ?

          Or Just Finding Dirt On This FRAUD Administration?

          • 2 votes
          Reply#20 - Tue Nov 20, 2012 1:55 PM EST

          Ok, nbcnews.com? If you dont have a story to publish, it's ok not to post anything. You could have waited until the story fully developed before adding it to your website because the only thing you have done is provide fodder and a platform for the President Obama/Detroit haters and people with a racial or political ax to grind. Also for those who hate Government corruption, but they seem to be less vocal than the others.

          • 5 votes
          Reply#21 - Tue Nov 20, 2012 1:58 PM EST

          When the FBI raids a library, it's news.

          "Oh, we don't report on train wrecks until we know what caused it"

          • 5 votes
          #21.1 - Tue Nov 20, 2012 3:00 PM EST
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          I just checked with Dumbo, he said it is quite clear that this is George Bushes fault. He will get back to us on any further developments.

          • 7 votes
          Reply#22 - Tue Nov 20, 2012 1:59 PM EST

          What a loser you must be.

          • 4 votes
          #22.1 - Tue Nov 20, 2012 2:01 PM EST

          Pretty idiotic statement there, How... Troll du Jour Award clearly goes to you today. You'd make your mother proud.

          • 4 votes
          #22.2 - Tue Nov 20, 2012 2:05 PM EST

          "I'm proud of you son!"

          "Thanks sis"

          • 3 votes
          #22.3 - Tue Nov 20, 2012 3:01 PM EST

          "I'm proud of you son!" LMAO!

            #22.4 - Tue Nov 20, 2012 3:15 PM EST

            "Troll du Jour"

            CLASSIC, Observing2! Love it!

              #22.5 - Tue Nov 20, 2012 3:37 PM EST
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              The best thing that could happen to Detroit is to bulldoze over the entire city and plant back the trees. Why continue beating a dead horse? It is dead, Stockton is dead, New Orleans dead, and many more stinkholes. Who is going to move to San Bernadino?

              • 7 votes
              Reply#23 - Tue Nov 20, 2012 2:02 PM EST

              Same for Minneapolis and Milwaukee.

              • 5 votes
              #23.1 - Tue Nov 20, 2012 2:04 PM EST

              Hey - I live in Minneapolis. Not too sure what you're talking about. Please expand.

              • 5 votes
              #23.2 - Tue Nov 20, 2012 2:05 PM EST

              The French Quarter in New Orleans is fine! I just came back from there and had a ball. It's out by the lake that is a mess.

              • 3 votes
              #23.3 - Tue Nov 20, 2012 2:05 PM EST

              One of my criticisms of the US in the 21st century is that we don't let cities which sprung up around long since dead industry go away. The example I like to cite is Scranton, PA. It sprang up around the booming coal industry in the 19th and 20th centuries. Now coal is not used, there is no industry, but they keep pouring money into Scranton to keep it alive. Why? A new industry is not going to magically spring up in the city. Cities grow around industry, not industry growing around a city. When the industry is gone, the city should be allowed to go with it. Another big example is Baltimore, it is shrinking so the mayor instructs the police not to enforce immigration laws to try and draw people there to balance the population. Without commenting on immigration, the issue of the city shrinking is the problem. If there were jobs and industry, the city wouldn't be shrinking in the first place; however, there are not, so the city should be allowed to shrink.

              People only like the laws of economics when it works in a way they like, but when the opposite is true they fight it as if they can do something about it. If a city can't keep itself afloat by the industry contained therein then it really has no purpose, and as you said it should be bulldozed.

              • 5 votes
              #23.4 - Tue Nov 20, 2012 2:10 PM EST

              @ observing2 - Minneapolis is a brainwashed society which thinks it's the next socio-cultural mecca akin to New York or Paris. However, in actuality, Minneapolis-Saint Paul is a cultural armpit rather like a smaller, more moderate version of Detroit, and at the same time a larger version of Chicago-siphoning Milwaukee.

              • 2 votes
              #23.5 - Tue Nov 20, 2012 2:23 PM EST

              @ observing2 - I was in Minneapolis a few months back, and I have never come across a public library with the degree of FOUL STENCH present at your Central Library. It is like a combination of homeless uncleanliness, baby diapers, and pavement grit from people trudging snow in off their boots.

              • 1 vote
              #23.6 - Tue Nov 20, 2012 2:25 PM EST

              I actually read where they're plowing abandoned Detroit neighborhoods back into farmland. It's a "company town" with no company.

              • 1 vote
              #23.7 - Tue Nov 20, 2012 3:03 PM EST

              Therein lies the problem...if we were to bulldoze Detroit then all of the fine, upstanding "citzens" who abide there would have to move someplace else

              just look at the problems in Houston caused by all of the displaced New Orleans residents that Katrina sent there

              • 2 votes
              #23.8 - Tue Nov 20, 2012 3:55 PM EST

              houston was a problem long before Katrina!

              • 2 votes
              #23.9 - Tue Nov 20, 2012 4:25 PM EST

              "DanTheManOfVegas" is wrong. If Las Vegas--after being founded by mobsters--can grow into a successful city in the middle of a desert, then apply the lessons of Las Vegas.

              Apply the lessons learned in Iraq. First provide security, then do nation building. If everything is so negative in Detroit, then maybe the FBI is caring enough about Detroit to try to help turn things around in Detroit. Maybe they will succeed.

                #23.10 - Wed Nov 21, 2012 9:13 PM EST
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                Sad commentary -- these useless comments do nothing to discuss real issues. If the commentators are indeed right wing, it is just more spur grapes and a refusal to deal with issues. One might wonder about reading comprehension of the commentators since their comments have little to do with the subject of the article.

                • 4 votes
                Reply#24 - Tue Nov 20, 2012 2:04 PM EST

                Yes, the original issue was not disclosed. For example, is the librarian himself accused of something like being a pervert, or does it have to do with illegal activity based on outside user access of the library computers?

                • 3 votes
                #24.1 - Tue Nov 20, 2012 2:05 PM EST

                Dorothy... "Sad commentary" indeed. It seems as though no one really reads the articles through before jumping into discussions of total irrelevancy. I guess that staying focused and on point is a thing of the past.

                "The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits." Albert Einstein

                • 2 votes
                #24.2 - Tue Nov 20, 2012 3:30 PM EST

                Is there someone on this vine that has any idea why the FBI raided the library?

                All I read was no one "interviewed" was commenting.

                • 2 votes
                #24.3 - Tue Nov 20, 2012 3:50 PM EST

                "If the commentators are indeed right wing, it is just more spur grapes and a refusal to deal with issues."

                There appear to be plenty of left wing commenters too.

                By the way-what are "spur grapes"?

                  #24.4 - Wed Nov 21, 2012 10:37 AM EST
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                  Book 'em, Danno!

                  • 5 votes
                  Reply#25 - Tue Nov 20, 2012 2:04 PM EST

                  Ohhhhh and Dano, read him his rights.

                  • 4 votes
                  #25.1 - Tue Nov 20, 2012 2:11 PM EST
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