I have a friend who is a private detective & he says those sweet little wives are just as bad. "Yes, dear hubby, I was at the mall most of the day window shopping with Suzy-Q."

Exactly Zheng He. It always amazes me that the collective indoctrinated thinking is that only White people can be racist, only Men can cheat and only Preachers/Priests/Rabbi's can be Holy, when so many of these so called "Holy Men" are raping little boys and girls and getting away with it, especially within the Catholic Church, Oh What Joy......... And speaking of the little Wifey, In-fact, she most likely was with Suzy-q, and they were trading tongues with certain body parts.

First off, I would never hire a prostitute for sex. I mean, I would be like the three thousandth guy with her. Eeew... As I'm walking out, there would probably be some guy sitting in the waiting room saying to me, "How'd my dick taste?" Eeeeeew man!

Secondly, with the Internet, DVD's and everything else they have on the shelves today, It's totally free to rub one off in the privacy of your own home not to mention, "safe" from STD's.... ;-)

Prostitution and cocaine should be legal and, other than the "human trafficking", the only immoral thing that happened here was failure to properly administer and regulate the business in order to protect the public from disease in the courtesans and impurities in the drugs.

Drugs and prostitution are institutes in society, have been for millenia and will continue despite the misguided efforts of the sexually repressed people elected by our sexually repressed society.

The negative cash flow of repressing these activities could become a source of revenue and the attraction to drugs and prostitution, part of which is the thrill of misbehaving, would be reduced by regulating and taxing these two activities that will never be stopped no matter what happens.

Anything that gives pleasure can never really be a "sin"... a person, male or female, has the natural right to charge for any service they render and everyone has the natural inalienable (Operative syllable: "-able") right to alter consciousness with chemicals. Inalienable means that the ability can never be removed even if the right itself is not recognized.

Wake up folks, the government is doing this at your expense and disease is being allowed to flourish because of this misguided approach. I'm not saying drug use and patronage of prostitutes are virtues, only that we can never stop them from happening.

bobbygordon6909

The negative cash flow of repressing these activities could become a source of revenue and the attraction to drugs and prostitution, part of which is the thrill of misbehaving, would be reduced by regulating and taxing these two activities that will never be stopped no matter what happens.

Great, get government involved. Although I must admit it is probably a short step from thievery and corruption to pimping and pushing. Note to everyone who might subscribe to this theory: The IRS took over the Mustang Ranch in Nevada for back taxes and ran it into bankruptcy. So the government has already proved they can't make money selling booze and pussy.

Anything that gives pleasure can never really be a "sin"

NAMBLA would agree with you. I do not.

Wake up folks, the government is doing this at your expense and disease is being allowed to flourish because of this misguided approach. I'm not saying drug use and patronage of prostitutes are virtues, only that we can never stop them from happening.

We haven't stopped people from killing each other either. Should murder be legalized? (Note to everyone who is leaping at the keyboard to inform me that killing someone is different than paying them for a blow job: "I know. My comment is directed at the ridiculous claim that the inability to completely stop something is sufficient reason not to try, not at the crimes themselves.")

No, Skippy, murder should not be legal just because it will always be with us.

And thank you for pointing out my mistake in assuming that this is a rational discussion among rational people who would not need to be reminded that the points I am making refer exclusively to adults and that anything having to do with the exploitation of children is inherently immoral and properly illegal.

I apologize to you for that.

NAMBLA? Really? Are those idiots still around? Makes me wonder why NAMBLA has not been targeted as a criminal organisation.

And thank you for pointing out my mistake in assuming that this is a rational discussion among rational people who would not need to be reminded that the points I am making refer exclusively to adults and that anything having to do with the exploitation of children is inherently immoral and properly illegal.

This is an internet forum - what were you thinking?

bobby, in order for you to have assumed this is a rational discussion, you'd have to have gone into it respecting your opponent's arguments even if they disagree with you. Denver made a sound analogy against one of your points, and you rebuke with an insult about this not being a rational discussion anymore. Personally I am for legalizing prostitution, but I think we'll get there a lot faster when people stop trying to make or counter points with insults and assume their own arguments are the only ones worth listening to.

prostitution and drug use are victimless crime as long as children are not involved.

Murder is not a victimless crime in any case.

He made no point.

Not only did I treat him with respect, I apologized for not being clear about the fact that what I said only applies to cases involving consenting adults.

Seems I've made the same mistake in assuming the discussion to be among rational people...

Now go snoop around in your kids room or whatever it is you like to do.

as long as it is illegal, gangs will control take a hint, legalize.

Denver made a sound analogy against one of your points

No, Denver took the argument to an illogical extreme, proposing that government actually RUN the prostitution business. That's not what bobby is proposing, it's a straw man argument.

The government actually does a great job of running the military, prisons, electrical plants, etc etc. Hating on the government is not a rational argument against legalizing prostitution and drugs.

They've always been here, they will always BE here. Pretending otherwise is simply ignorant, legislating otherwise is oppressive and doomed to failure. The neo-Puritans can go run themselves into the ground pretending these activities are 'bad', the rest of us want pragmatic, realistic laws and regulations.

We can pretty much guess it will involve human trafficking in young girls or hard core drugs probably at the very least

So let's never legitimize anything because someone might go further than what the law allows? So criminals will still traffic cocaine, that's a reason to not legalize MJ?

Leaving aside how overstated the underage trafficking problem is, would it be a reason to stop the legalization of adults doing what they've done for centuries?

Thousands of women incarcerated. Rape, physical abuse, all higher because it's in the dark. We endorse women doing what they want with their bodies except when it comes to sex. It's less about prostitution and more about our outdated Victorian morality.

I agree legalization is key. Both drugs and prostitution. But of course, heavy and reasonable regulation should be enforced. Much with other "sinful" establishment such as casinos. Only in designated areas. Personally, it all comes down to personal liberty- we should be allowed to do what we want when we want, with whomever we want, as long as the act is not violent or inherently wrong(obviously) such as stealing, murder etc....

Of course, one has to wonder how such policy would pan out. In the case of drugs- who would manufacture it? legalization would open the market up, either allowing the cartels to make even more money, or corporations to come in and hugely profit. Either way, I'm not sure I want to live in a world where corporate interest override public safety. (as we know it's all about the mighty dollar here in the US).

The other scenario would be for the Gov to produce the drugs. This might be the best solution, as far as offering drugs along side detoxification clinics, modeled after Switzerland, and Canada(if I'm not mistaken), but our Gov and most people aren't open minded enough for such a strategy. Personally, this is why there's merit when those complain about gov running inefficiently, they're just not robust enough, and ran by the same old fogies for the past 30+ years. But that's for another post. LOL.

All in all, decriminalization might be the best solution at this time... just fine people for x amount of x drug up to a certain point. That way the gov agencies can focus on bigger fish.

It's pretty well known that the mafia has it's fingers in a lot of the strip clubs in the tri-state area as well.

Most of the girls are very attractive, and are eastern European. They shuffle them around the strip clubs on 4 months stints. NYC, North Jersey, Poconos, repeat. How do you think those clubs in the Poconos get drop dead gorgeous Ukrainian girls with blond hair and sexy accents?

One problem with your theory, in countries where prostitution is legal, they don't have human trafficking issues, and because they are licensed, they are tested.

And since no one had done the same with drugs, it's impossible to know. But what I do know is human beings like drugs and in 30 years we have failed to stop the demand, if anything it's worse. That means this idiotic war, is a complete failure. Currently all those profits go to criminals, that seems rather silly when you consider just how broke nearly every state it.

Washington and Colorado made weed legal, I would be willing to bet the world isn't going to end as we were told as children and that those states are going to be the models once the others see exactly how much money they are bringing in via regulation/taxes.

Hey bobby, why do prostitution and drugs become crimes if children are involved? Aren't sex and drugs pleasureable for them? Why can't children experience this pleasure? Aren't adults who have sex with children really heroes since they initiate the young into the great pleasures of sex? It's only the vestiges of outdated moral concepts that makes you feel squeamish about children.

ScottW714 you commented that no one has tried legalizing and regulating drugs but they have. Google Portugal's drug policies since about 11 years ago. It is very enlightening.

RobertG1 I do hope your comment at #1.16 was some kind of sarcasm. There are many reasons why we do not let children do a number of things. The main reason is maturity level. They are too imature to operate an automobile, consume alcohol, chose to damage their bodies with tobacco products or drugs, and too irresponsible to be sexually active. All things in due time. I agree that adults have the right to make their own choices in life be they good ones or bad ones as it applies to their own persons but children are still on the learning curve and not capable of making such decisions.

Admittedly there are some rather arbitrary rules about when one is old enough for this or that. For example you can fight and die for your country at 18 but cannot have a beer in the local tavern legally. Many states have different ages for their age of consent for sexual activities. However we have nationally sort of agreed on 18 as the standard. So that being the case it is just not appropriate for anyone here to engage in sexual activities with anyone under the age of 18 be it consensual or not. Sorry but that is just how it is.

shepherd0886,

I never said that it would be appropriate for children to engage in these types of adult activities and I don't see how that could be inferred from what I did say.

So I don't understand what you are talking about.

This is going to happen in our society as it has happened in society for thousands of years. We can be adults about it and mitigate the deleterious effects on people or we can repress our sexuality, bury our heads in the sand, otherwise act like children who can't accept reality in which case the negative effects will be amplified.

Adult prostitution should be legal because it is safer that way.

bobbyg-501939 when I replied to the comment from RobertG1 at #1.16 I got the distinct impression that he was expressing a belief that sex and drugs were OK for children as well as adults. I am pretty liberal in that area but where children are involved I do draw a line. I think that perhaps you thought I was responding to you when I made my remarks in my comment at #1.18. LIke you I feel that prostitution should indeed be legalized, regulated, and controlled.

I am a widower with no one to have any regular relations with so I have to break the law now and again just to satisfy my own physical needs. I do have a modest libido left however I would never consider doing so with a child. Actually I won't even patronize anyone under the age of 30 or so. It just feels weird to me. LOL

As for the drug issue I would legalize them across the board and put strict controls and regulations on their acquisition and use. This would serve two purposes. First it would eliminate the criminal element and the violence associated with them. Secondly it would permit those already addicted to seek and receive treatment and help without fear of any kind of punishment or repraisal. Third it would reduce the number of new addicts by eliminating the element of being cool or chic thus cause a kind of peer pressure to use them. This is similar to the plan the was put in place in Portugal over 10 years ago and at last read is still working there.

C,

No thanks. If I read and understand that, I'd probably become bulimic.

Greatly appreciated anyway!

Have a nice Thanksgiving! Heh heh...

"I'm bulimic ..... I just don't purge." ---Roseanne Barr

Doesnt work.

Young attractive high-school graduate (your sister, daughter,niece) no work experience gets attracted to easy money, drugs. Still would end up forking most of her earnings to the house, protector, manager. Criminal organizations would still have a heavy hand recruiting, managing and drug supply. Testing for registered sex trade workers, but only a slight reduction of unregistered.

Tax revenue: This is a cash business. With organized crime involvement just how much of that cash do you think will actually be taxed? It is the same as the childish notion legal drugs would eliminate the crime and be taxable. Too much money involved, heck they cant even keep unions honest and organized crime out, how legitimate do you think the legal local strip club is? Too be honest, even if it was possible ... what kind of society would want to "pay off our national debt" on the backs of its young women? As for having anything to do with a "healthcare"? No thank you, I have lived in countries that go that route and its just a revenue scam for the nanny state to waste. Twice the expense with half the benefit with the citizen paying the price. Why turn the government into more of an organized crime syndicate then it is now? Ever been to a European nation with legal controlled prostitution? Did it eliminate criminal involvement? Raise hugh revenues? Think it eliminated sex slavery and trafficking? Do you honestly think all those young attractive eastern european ladies working in that dirty house are there by chose?

Back to that young relative of yours: She is now a little older things starting droop and the wear and tear starting to show a bit but still no education, work experience, savings and business not so lucrative. Most of the easy money went to drugs, clothes, protection and the management. Now no way to earn a living and a habit and the life a little less glamerous and the clients a lot less classier. Management replaces with the next crop of young relatives of yours and the next step in working at run down bars or the corner for a lot less money to feed that drug habit. Why would you want to have your sister or daughter condenmed to that life?

Just like every idea of the current left it is chasing utopia with no basis in a hard and cold reality world. Good intentions, good hearts, little brains.

Common sense doesn't seem to exist Lord Foxdrake. Apparently, God condemns the common man from legally smoking and screwing, but he doesn't prevent the religious right from doing the same, as long as they don't get caught doing it..... That is what it actually boils down too, if it were legal, the more religious and far right wingers would have to admit that they do all of the same things too. Under 21 still illegal, over 21, regulate it, make it legal and get on with life.

Sorry Dennis, but it is the far right that is keeping these things illegal, while either participating directly in it behind closed doors, or indirectly funding it and profiting off of it. Don't even try to condescend me or any one else and claim that it is strictly a "liberal" left leaning condition, it is seriously hypocritical double speak when you make these rediculous claims.

bryan-2876208

Common sense doesn't seem to exist Lord Foxdrake. Apparently, God condemns the common man from legally smoking and screwing, but he doesn't prevent the religious right from doing the same, as long as they don't get caught doing it.....

Common sense should dictate that one doesn't use a bad act to justify another bad act.

I cant help but be condescending byran, you mean well but have no clue. That does not mean the situation now is not as you paint it now, just that you have no clue what it would become as a consequence of your naive utopian chasing. The world is a much dirtier place than you let yourself experience, without going into too much detail take it from someone who has some life experience in the world. I despise the manipulation of the naive sheep wearing rose colored glasses and the destruction it causes. Good hearts, good intentions, little brains.

WOW!!! Of course the world is dirty, so why let the Damned religious leaders, the politicians, the greedy rich continue to rule with a G'Damned Iron Thumb? It is what people like you perpetuate. You are the type of person who would claim you won a sporting event because "GOD" was on your side. I have dealt with spiritualism, hedonism, and fiendish minded individualism most of my life, none of it really impresses me. The greedy will always be there and will do what ever it takes to take from you try to make you feel guilty about resisting that fact. Enjoy your spoils, it will never end with attitudes such as yours Dennis.

What a childish innane rant. You have used buzzwords, stereotypes, parroted rhetoric, misdirection, assumptions and insults .... none of which has any bearing on the topic. Not a very convincing retort.

Common sense should dictate that one doesn't use a bad act to justify another bad act.

You are operating under a false premise, that prostitution is a 'bad thing.'

I cant help but be condescending byran, you mean well but have no clue.

Really? You say that yet insist that the way things are run now will be the way things would run if prostitution is legalized (assumption)? Check the mirror Dennis, I think you were speaking to yourself. Your pretend scenario is just that, pretend. Most strippers make BANK, and they don't even give up the goods. Why would a LEGAL occupation continue to employ the detection-evasion techniques you describe (cash), and why would the women still make so LITTLE money if they can simply find a better place of employment, without having to worry about being beaten by their pimp for leaving?

You paint a DIRE picture, but it has little relevance to reality.

You have used buzzwords, stereotypes, parroted rhetoric, misdirection, assumptions and insults

Again, re-read your own comment 3.1, and try to find these things in there, if you look, you will find them.

Dennis.. what would you propose then? keep things the way they are, and hope that we either incarcerate enough people that they'll decide to close up their illegal business?

Tax revenue: This is a cash business. With organized crime involvement just how much of that cash do you think will actually be taxed?

Casinos are also a cash business. And was at some point illegal, ran by the mob and what not. It's regulated just fine.

Young attractive high-school graduate (your sister, daughter,niece) no work experience gets attracted to easy money, drugs. Still would end up forking most of her earnings to the house, protector, manager. Criminal organizations would still have a heavy hand recruiting, managing and drug supply. Testing for registered sex trade workers, but only a slight reduction of unregistered.

The notion that somehow if drugs and prostitution became legal, people who are otherwise "pure" would flock to use them is not sound. Accessibly is not an issue right now. If I wanted to get drugs right this moment, I CAN, If I wanted to sleep with a prostitute I easily CAN also. If Holly blondie wanted to make a living selling herself, she could become a stripper, and a prostitute just as easily. If preventing 'some' people from doing drugs/prostitution with the current system satisfies you, then preventing 'some' organizations from thriving should there be legalization should be the same as far as effectiveness is concerned.

What legalization does is brings these acts into the light instead of being underground, allowing these "victims" and "druggies" more access to help, and authorized to focus more on catching the remaining illegal organizations that would still work outside of the laws and regulation. Suddenly the game of whack-a-mole is easier to play.

@Fred Evil, @Ipkaaa

+1, +1.

It's called the world's oldest profession for a reason. It has always been and will always be. Might as well get ahead of the curve and run it the best it can be with the most benefit for all.

as for ... "Young attractive high-school graduate (your sister, daughter, niece) no work experience gets attracted to easy money" - hey man, that's her choice. She's doing it anyway. Why not make $450,000 a year and work 20 hours a week over working 60+ hours a week for minimum wage for $20,000 a year.

Again, where's the common sense?

Well Aussie, I am amazed at your stumbling through life wearing blinders I really am. Talk a walk through the underground networks and yes it is the underground economy that thrives and is a driving force in every nanny state. How is the organized crime organizations like motorcycle clubs these days? Think guns are not part of the nastier side of things? Think sex slavery and trade is one bit less? Heck just browsing local news archives paints a different picture of the nanny state paradise than you give. You do realise that crimes involving firearms actually rose after confiscation dont you? What is the rate of crime involving firearms in England these days with its tradition of disarmed citizen? No underground seedy economy in any nanny state is there.

Well Dennis, I am amazed at your stumbling through life wearing blinders on. Take a walk through above the law networks and see how many filthy rich(right and left wingers) who contribute to this trade world wide and then pull your Effing head out. Sex isn't going away, unless the whole human race goes along with it, that is a unwritten fact my friend. It is the way it is, like it or not, why let these idiots control everything behind the scenes and condemn you from doing it, while they hide away in Asian and Island nations and do what ever the Hell they want? If you doubt what I just typed, you're way more blind or stupid than I would have thought.

Well bryan once again you demonstrate a less than reality based vision of reality. You do not eliminate the less than desirable outcome of the seedier side of life by making it legal, you just increase the profits and the downside. I would guess you have little experience in life as yet and little experience in the world. The only valid point you make is that the sex trade is never going to end, never has and never will, it can only be controlled and kept at a minimum. You think corruption is bad now you have no clue what it will be and is where possible in the world ... none. Naive sheep waiting to be sheared.

Okay Dennis, your the king and master. Go back any time in the history of man, and tell me when sex hasn't happened, more time than not it was an "Alpha Male" taking what he wanted, strangely, it is pretty much the same today. The more MONEY one has the MORE one can do and get away with this type of behavior with out Legal worries....You have no Clue. The very preacher that preaches acceptance and tolerance to you, is out drinking wine and molesting some ones 6 year old. Deny that and you lose all credibility. Modern religion and modern politics is a flat out JOKE, but make no mistake, they take it very seriously, and often it turns out deadly.

I can't stand the idea of having sex with prostitutes, but there had always been and there will always be people who will be willing to sell sex for a living. With this in mind why not regulate it? Maybe by doing this we can make it safer for these sex-workers to conduct their business. Is it utopia? Hardly. By continuing with the status quo, can we honestly tell ourselves that the plight of these prostitutes will be better than it will be if they will be made legal? And who really has their blinders on? Is it the person who sees the problem but has no solution or is it the person who is offering a possible solution to the problem?

bryan get a grip. I have no arguements about the most of points you give, just your lack of knowledge and experience of what it would become. You really need to stop parroting the standard innane rhetoric of the "progressive" to be credible though and displays your naive experience in life. Neither political party of today is good for the Republic and the citizen, both have bought into the historic disaster of buying support with the biggest "free lunch" ..... the cause of collapse for every form of democracy in recorded history. The only difference in outcome is the left agenda will get you there faster. You can stop assuming there is any religious basis for common sense involved as well. I am a life long confirmed atheist. You are not presenting credible debate, you are parroting rhetoric of the rose colored utopian chasing left without the education or experience to base your point. Naive, manipulated sheep waiting to be sheared.

All I am going to say on this rant of yours Dennis, is,

"the cause of collapse for every form of democracy in recorded history." Hahahahaha..... The United States of America is the "Only True" example and people like you are trying to destroy it.

bryan ... see you just demonstrated the level of indoctrination and lack of a foundation of education. The United States is not now, never has been and with any luck never will be a Democracy. To much Direct Democracy is one of the leading cause of the fall of every form Democracy in recorded history and one of the evils the Constitution was designed to prevent. Why do you think the Constitution allowed only one branch of the federal government to be elected by popular vote (the house)? The checks and balances were put in place to restrict the size of government, defined legitimate functions and minimize government intrusion in citizen lives and slow the process of government to prevent causes of the moment of the unwashed masses that harm the REPUBLIC in the long term. I suggest you read "The Federalist Papers" written by Madison, Hamilton and Jay to understand the incredible research and genius of the citizens who wrote the Constitution and the reasons it was designed to restrict direct democracy based on every democracy in recorded history (of which there were many by the way). There is even a reason they went with a republic form of federal government rather than parliamentary (hint, related to the evils of direct democracy and the well-being and long term freedom for the citizen). The biggest danger to the Republic today is from the extremes of both parties, failed agendas with one thing in common, buying votes with the biggest "free lunch". There is NO difference in outcome from either extreme. I could give you further references for study if you wish.

There is one way to dramatically reduce prostitution. Out the johns in some public forum.

I like hookers. Even if I'm not in the market for their services, they're great to pal around with. I've had a few of them for friends, over the yearas, for their sake and the sake of others like them, I'm in favor of legalizing the practice of their profession. They deserve to make an honest living, without having to hide from the law, just as much as any carpenter or IT tech. No social or political agenda here, just my personal feelings, Also, since it's personal, no objectivity. Anyone who disagrees is just ignorant, and hasn't had the priveledge of knowing the ladies I've known. Too bad for you and your dark, dirty little minds.

At last, someone on here has a brain and knows how to use it. Most people who leave comments on here are complete idiots. It was a pleasure to read a comment with little profanity, very good spelling (only one major mistake-'prude' should have been "prudish") and common sense to boot. Good job, Bryan.

Thanks BrinkofDisaster, although, I noticed I should have typed, no matter what ridiculous laws are 'placed' on the books. And of course prudish versus prude.

Gambling in Vegas is a really bad example, organized crime organizations got in on the ground floor and is still involved in a major way. Heard of corruption all through the regulating structure lately, its in the news on a regular basis .... there is just too much money handled as cash, money laundering, corruption at all levels is inevitable. Even the sex trade in Nevada, as controlled as it can possibly be is corrupt and it sure is not the lady on her back reaping in the money. I am amazed at how naive those who consider themselves "progressive" can be ....... sheep waiting to be sheared.

Once again Dennis, get a grip. Even your douche candidate Romney was willing to bet $10,000 dollars on live national TV. Do you seriously believe that "Organized" crime would exist with out rich politicians? Really? Please, pull your head out, get over it, and quit acting like a better than thou cretin. Yeah, money laundering could only possibly happen in Las Vegas Casino's. Un-F**king-believable attitude, it is the exact reason that Obama has won Re-Election, people like you refuse to see the "REAL WORLD"

Ahh the rant of the "progressive" .... stereotyping, rhetoric and buzzwords.

What in hades leads you to believe that Romney is "my douce bag candidate"? And before you parrot the buzzword "religious right" ( reading back its to late for that standard buzzword as well) lets clear up a few things. I am not a member of any current political party, neither represent me polically. The only reason I could vote for the current Republican party is just to vote against the childish lunacy of the Democratic Party Agenda. You see a study of history (political and social, recent and ancient) and a basic understanding of economics would never allow me to vote for the deliberate destruction of what the Republic was founded to be. You really need to gain some world experience, travel the world a bit and see the results of the parties agenda, do some research in political systems and outcomes.

You essentially said nothing in your tirade here. Go ahead and do a 180 degree turn Dennis, do what you must, but please just don't act like some one isn't going to control who pulls the strings. Some one, no matter who it turns out to be, is going to pull the strings, whether that person is elected, or he just so happens to have the most power. Why shouldn't the average Joe have a little bit of say so, considering, must of us are the average Joe?

Dennis-387683 you seem to be on some kind of a mission here to denounce and demean virtually every commenter who doesn't see things your way. The only problem is that I am having a difficult time trying to decide just what kind of a solution you propose. I have lived in this world for nearly 70 years and the one thing that I do know is that the vices will pretty much always be with us and prohibition of those vices has never worked. In fact it usually exacerbates the problem and adds violence, death, and mayhem to the mix in the process.

So I understand and appreciate that you dislike prostitution and the drug trade. What then do you propose that our government and legal system do about it? From your comments it seems that you are happy with the status quo but is that really working? Many other countries have the same social problems that we do and some of them have managed to find reasonable and workable solutions to them. We seem to be among the Don Quixotes who simply continue to tilt with windmills doing the same old things expecting different results.

We do not live in a perfect world and the only naivete that I see is in those who continue to think that they and others like them can force every other human being into their own mold of social order. The best that we or any other society can do is learn to bend in the wind and come to terms with human frailties in such a way as to minimize the overall damage to the society as a whole. All forms of prohibition have proven to be very costly in terms of human life as well as economically. We can simply no longer afford to carry on wasting lives and money this way. It is time to consider what other more progressive countries are doing to address these problems.

By lambasting and criticizing and rejecting every suggestion offered and staying the course with a failed policy we are not part of the solution but rather the problem. So please enlighten us with your step by step plan to deal with prostitution and the drug problems in our country. I promise that I will listen and give it my full consideration and will not just dismiss it categorically because I may disagree with it. I certainly don't have all of the answers but I do respect and appreciate successes.

Ahh the rant of the "progressive" .... stereotyping, rhetoric and buzzwords.

I take it you haven't read any of your OWN posts?

Not really anything in common. Prostitution profit is based on local economic conditions, hard times less money. Oil profit is based on world market conditions, hard times in one local market does not effect price the rest of the world will pay for a critical resource and can not be manipulated sellers only by restriction of production by national monopolies such as OPEC.

Did you hear that? That wooshing sound was the joke going right over Dennis' head.

I got the joke Fred ....... and even thought it was humorous. There was a reason I wanted to point out the economic fallacy hinted at ....... it really had nothing to do with the topic and I apologise lol.

Bill H-1430012

Both men and women love sex. Its fun. Its healthy. There is no reason not to have recreational sex now that women have the freedom to prevent pregnancy. Make it legal. Regulate it. Tax it.

If you're making money at it, it's not recreation. It's a job.

Oh Good God Bill, How Dare You Make Sense. But on the other hand, it seems to be more proper(and strangely, some sort of right winger right by religion-faith backed beliefs) if a Catholic Priest molests a little boy, or a Hacidic fundamentalist who cuts and then sucks off the foreskin of little boys(peri'ah metsitsah), or blah blah blah with the right leaning idiots attitudes, as long as they don't get caught. Amazing stuff no doubt.

MAKE IT LEGAL, REGULATE IT, TAX IT.

Thats putting a coat of paint on a rotten stair step.... looks beautiful on the outside but its still going to break bones when you fall through the rot.

You are correct Dennis, it is EXACTLY what the Catholic Church did with the child abuse scandal, they tried(and sadly succeeded) to paint over the scandal. I hope for you sake, that the fall through the rot of your religion is worth it.

"Maybe the Good book came from the Divine, Maybe it was written, just to keep us in-line!"

bryan ... and just WHAT does anything connected to organized religion have to do with the debate in question? Pointing out one crime (that has no bearing on the discussion) does not lend any credence or value to an unrelated crime.Its just misdirection and innane rhetoric.

Actually Bill the same type of people who think that "there is no reason not to have recreational sex" are the same ones who make it unhealthy since they're spreading STDs faster than the internet spreads images of lindsay lohan being drunk and reckless. "In 2009 only 55% of Americans aged 18-64 have never been tested for the HIV virus" (cdc.gov "HIV Testing in the United States Fact Sheet". Even leaving morality out of the equation, do you really think that it's wise to treat sex like it's just another thing to do with millions of people out there who don't even bother to consider the risks that such a lifestyle involves? Just because HIV and other incurable STDs don't get constant news-coverage it doesn't mean that they aren't part of an epiedmic that's directly the result of your non-consequences mentality.

Also Bryan just because they don't get caught having sex with underage boys doesn't mean that it isn't objectively wrong, even they know that they're doign wrong it's just that they are sick human beings and should be and are viewed as such... i'm not really sure why you keep trying to bring the argument there

Come on Dennis, Sex and Religion have EVERY THING to do with each other. Politics is the division betwixt the two. But I figure your are superior and have so many more better life experiences, so I digress. Good God Man, smoke a bowl already.

@litterhater, about the getting caught thingy, I was talking specifically to Dennis, specifically about something he had said. Litterhater, I seriously don't believe that they think that they did any thing wrong and therefore do not believe that they believe that they are sick. They are SICK, even more so when they profess to be so called Godly.

hmm, i guess that i wouldn't know since i'm not one of them but if they truly do believe in the tennants of their faith (which says that it's wrong) then they must know that it's wrong but are just too weak to restrain themselves. i'll grant you that some small percentage might be so morally-twisted that they really don't see why anyone would have a problem with what they're doing, but then they're really pushing the line between human and animal in my opinion

bryan, the only connection between religion and anything I pointed out is your assumption that religion views has an influence on those points, a false assumption and misdirection. Pointing the evils of organized religion (of which, believe it or not, I agree with but are irrelevent to the topic) does not lesson the evils of organized crime syndicates and corruption.

Absolutely. The ancient saying that "a womans survival kit is between her legs" did not come about for no reason. It is not the occasional lady making money on the side thats a problem, it is when it becomes organized and on a large scale that the seedier aspects and ruined lives take root.

that's a pretty cynical view of the world you've got there aaron. either you haven't met many men or you're putting words in their mouths saying that they don't want "sex besidees what they having in personal relationships" because very content monogomous men have been around for a long time man.