Worst US drought in decades deepens to cover 60 percent of lower 48 states

Nati Harnik / AP

A tree trunk rests on the bed of a dried lake, the outcome of severe drought, in Waterloo, Neb., on Tuesday. A new report shows that the nation's worst drought in decades is getting worse again, ending an encouraging five-week run of improving conditions.

ST. LOUIS -- The worst U.S. drought in decades has deepened again after more than a month of encouraging reports of slowly improving conditions, a drought-tracking consortium said Wednesday, as scientists struggled for an explanation other than a simple lack of rain.

While more than half of the continental U.S. has been in a drought since summer, rain storms had appeared to be easing the situation week by week since late September. But that promising run ended with Wednesday's weekly U.S. Drought Monitor report, which showed increases in the portion of the country in drought and the severity of it.

The report showed that 60.1 percent of the lower 48 states were in some form of drought as of Tuesday, up from 58.8 percent the previous week. The amount of land in extreme or exceptional drought — the two worst classifications — increased from 18.3 percent to 19.04 percent.

Grain prices soar as drought impact deepens

The Drought Monitor's map tells the story, with dark red blotches covering the center of the nation and portions of Texas and the Southeast as an indication of where conditions are the most intense. Those areas are surrounded by others in lesser stages of drought, with only the Northwest, Florida and a narrow band from New England south to Mississippi escaping.

The governor of Missouri has enacted an emergency measure to drill new wells in areas where water is scarce, providing much-needed relief for the state's farmers and ranchers. NBC's Thanh Truong reports.

A federal meteorologist cautioned that Wednesday's numbers shouldn't be alarming, saying that while drought usually subsides heading into winter, the Drought Monitor report merely reflects a week without rain in a large chunk of the country.

"The places that are getting precipitation, like the Pacific Northwest, are not in drought, while areas that need the rainfall to end the drought aren't getting it," added Richard Heim, a meteorologist with the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration's National Climatic Data Center. "I would expect the drought area to expand again" by next week since little rain is forecast in the Midwest in coming days.

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Drought conditions plague much of the United States after a summer of scorching temperatures and a lack of rain. The dryness is affecting America's farmland, threatening crops like soybean and corn.

He said there was no clear, scientific explanation for why the drought was lingering or estimate for how long it would last.

"What's driving the weather? It's kind of a car with no one at the steering wheel," Heim said. "None of the atmospheric indicators are really strong. A lot of them are tickling around the edges and fighting about who wants to be king of the hill, but none of them are dominant."

White House offers drought relief, feels heat to waive ethanol mandate

As the drought continues, ranchers worry for the future especially now that the total number of cattle in the U.S. is already the smallest in 60 years. NBC's Kristen Dahlgren reports.

The biggest area of exceptional drought, the most severe of the five categories listed by the Drought Monitor, centers over the Great Plains. Virtually all of Nebraska is in a deep drought, with more than three-fourths in the worst stage. But Nebraska, along with the Dakotas to the north, could still see things get worse "in the near future," the USDA's Eric Luebehusen wrote in Wednesday's update.

The drought also has been intensifying in Kansas, the top U.S. producer of winter wheat. It also is entirely covered by drought, and the area in the worst stage rose nearly 4 percentage points to 34.5 percent as of Tuesday. Much of that increase was in southern Kansas, where rainfall has been 25 percent of normal over the past half year.

Peggy Ebbesmeyer's ranch in Truxton, Missouri has been hit hard by drought.

After a summer in which farmers watched helpless as their corn dried up in the heat and their soybeans became stunted, many are now worrying about their winter wheat.

It has come up at a rate on par with non-drought years, but the quality of the drop doesn't look good, according to the USDA. Nearly one-quarter of the winter wheat that germinated is in poor or very poor condition, an increase of 2 percentage points from the previous week and 9 percentage points worse than the same time in 2011. Forty-two percent of the plantings are described as in fair shape, the same as last week.

Farmers who might normally irrigate in such circumstances worry about low water levels in the rivers and reservoirs they use, and many are hoping for snow to ease the situation. But it would take a lot. About 20 inches of snow equals just an inch of actual water, and many areas have rain deficits of a foot or more.

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I live in NW Arkansas and I can't remember the last time it rained. I know there are other places that have it worse. I feel for me and them. Hope my well doesn't go dry.

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#1 - Thu Nov 22, 2012 4:50 AM EST

We need to make Grey Water systems mandatory for all new construction and give government incentives to retrofit older homes. We need to stop our wasteful ways. We can also compost, putting vegetation in landfills and covering them with dirt doesn't allow for the natural release of the water in food matter.

For thousands of years humans understood how to live with nature, that article last week that talked about the human brain becoming less smart, is so true.

But if I am going to be logical - a large human die-off wouldn't be a bad thing - unless you are a human.

  • 21 votes
#1.1 - Thu Nov 22, 2012 5:46 AM EST

I guess those Monsanto seeds aren't indestructible after all...but they sure are growing some large humans (see woman farmer in picture).

  • 14 votes
#1.2 - Thu Nov 22, 2012 5:57 AM EST

JP We don't waste anything. If it doesn't go to the chickens it's in the compost. We do more then I care to post here. But not everyone can do as much as we do. It's just not practical. Also all we do won't bring the rain. That we can't seem to do.

  • 10 votes
#1.3 - Thu Nov 22, 2012 5:57 AM EST

Mary; you and I are the exception, not the rule. I'm one of about three on my block that recycles, the rest of the garbage cans look like carrot tops with garbage overflowing.

I worked for a Water and Sewer district for 20 plus years - covered sewer treatment plants don't allow for evaporation like grey water systems do - the more evaporation, the more likely it is to get rain.

The long time residents here in Tucson are constantly talking about how much wind we get, they say it wasn't like that 20 years ago. What clouds we do get just pass over in a flash.

  • 9 votes
#1.4 - Thu Nov 22, 2012 6:14 AM EST
Comment author avatarDame808Expand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

is you out of your mind Mr. patches you is a scarry big A$$ Clown! you act likes wee's donts has enough regulations in dis dam country, i think da optional grey water would be a nice thing because when ever the big government gets involved da says you gots to do this and dat and it goes from 3 or 4K to 10 or 15K thens they hire more folks to over See's it and then the companies that make the products start the lobbying and before you knows it we gots bigger government and they take our money and goes on the vacations to the Caribbean islands and retire and comes back as da consultants and do da double dipps, i say No to your mandatory stuffs!

  • 4 votes
#1.5 - Thu Nov 22, 2012 7:05 AM EST

After the Great Depression (or during) there was the dust bowl.

The Great Recession now has its dust bowl.

It is strange how cycles repeat.

  • 13 votes
#1.7 - Thu Nov 22, 2012 7:39 AM EST
Comment author avatarBrad Watson, MiamiExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

GOD or 'Mother Nature' - who should be blamed? "He said there was no clear, scientific explanation for why the drought was lingering or estimate for how long it would last." Is it a 'coincidence' that the drought has been hitting primarily Red States? Do you believe Bible stories? There's several examples of GOD's blessings for good behaviour and curses for bad deeds. Contrary to popular Christian belief where "All believers receive blessings from GOD", the Bible states over 25 times that "We are judged according to our actions". "You reap what you sow". Christ returning to judge everyone according to their deeds is the number 1 point of the Bible!

George(6 letters) Walker(6) Bush Jr.(6): the "2nd Beast" is guilty of war crimes and crimes against humanity with regard to his lies of reasons for the War In Iraq ("the destruction of Babylon"). Ronald(6) Wilson(6) Reagan(6) was the "1st Beast whose actions were the opposite of the Christ, was ruler of the world, lied to all nations, and was wounded yet lived." United(6) States(6) Dollar(6) is the "mark of the Beast that everyone must have to buy and sell with". - The Revelation Chapter 13. On the back of the US $1 Dollar Bill, the #13 is encoded 13 times.

If the US repents, the drought (and other 'natural' disasters) will lessen or cease. If there is no repenting, well, then Mother Nature can be blamed for the natural disasters that will continue to punish the US.

Non-coincidental synchronic reaction: 07:38 "The Walkers: America's most traitorous family" - The Most on History Channel

  • 3 votes
#1.8 - Thu Nov 22, 2012 7:55 AM EST

Brad Watson, Miami

Please explain what it is you are trying to say

  • 10 votes
#1.9 - Thu Nov 22, 2012 8:13 AM EST

Anybody else getting the message yet?

  • 4 votes
#1.10 - Thu Nov 22, 2012 9:00 AM EST

Brad Watson, Miami

Look......I see how you have made that all make sense....but still.....Come on......Christ may have been the greatest philosopher mankind has ever had but son of God.....I wonder.....The King James version of the Bible was re-written by King James IV/VII (England/Scotland) .....He was gay......I wonder how that fits into all this logic....Not that I have a problem with gay people but homosexuality is generally frowned upon in most christian communities......What bothers me most is that the Bible was written by a man pretty much since the time of Constantine.....Books were removed and the first standardized bible was distributed because of his mandate to the Bishops.....I actually believe it is very arrogant to assume we understand that much about God.....Cause we don't.....and there may just be nothing after death....Depressing as that may be....

  • 12 votes
#1.11 - Thu Nov 22, 2012 9:04 AM EST

Brad Watson,Miami

Try a larger size of tinfoil hat-the circulation to your brain is being disrupted by the one you are currently wearing.

By the way-if Bush is gulty of "war crimes" so are all the Democrats who voted to go to war in Iraq.

  • 11 votes
#1.12 - Thu Nov 22, 2012 9:05 AM EST

My grandfather in Oklahoma was a dirt farmer. He did ok during the Great Depression until the dust bowl came his way and his farm dried up and blew away. He loaded up everything he could onto his 1934 Buick and drove to California. The main bearings went out in Arizona so he rebuilt the motor on the side of the road in the summer desert heat.

I hear people were doing just fine in Oklahom until the place caught on fire and they didn't have any fire fighters. Kinda like Colorado and Texas. What does that global warming impact map say? Oh yeah, hotter and drier.

  • 3 votes
#1.13 - Thu Nov 22, 2012 9:07 AM EST

At least Oregon and Washinton are EXEMPT. :)

    #1.14 - Thu Nov 22, 2012 9:23 AM EST

    Yes, but only the western coastal regions of each.

    • 2 votes
    #1.15 - Thu Nov 22, 2012 9:48 AM EST

    Times-Running-Out

    Brad Watson, Miami

    Please explain what it is you are trying to say

    no brad please don't.............

    gm midnight and happy turkey day

    • 6 votes
    #1.16 - Thu Nov 22, 2012 10:07 AM EST

    As James Inhofe (R, OK) stated on the Rachel Maddow Show,

    I was actually on your side of this issue when I was chairing that committee and I first heard about this. I thought it must be true until I found out what it cost.”

    Source: http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2012/03/16/446008/inhofe-maddow-global-warming/?mobile=nc

    All he needed to add was, "What it would cost my campaign contributors."

    • 3 votes
    #1.17 - Thu Nov 22, 2012 10:33 AM EST

    JP Patches. I live in Calgary Alberta. We have twin garbage bin systems whereby it is MANDATORY that you place recyclables in the blue bin and garbage in the black ones. Anything excessive that won't fit you are charged for. Grey water is used wherever possible especially on golf courses all this AND WE ARE NOT IN DROUGHT! These past years have seen good snow cover in winter and considerable rain through May & June with passing storms in the summer. Calgary in the past 30 years now is green through summer into fall. It used to be burnt brown after July and in that time I've lived here the cimate has changed noticably.

    BTW I have friends who winter in Green Valley and have visited there a few times. Nice to get away from winter which has started early with lots of snow and cold temps (-17C today just below 0F). Here's wishing you a happy Thanksgiving.

    • 2 votes
    #1.18 - Thu Nov 22, 2012 10:34 AM EST

    Learn to do a Causative Timeline, so that all of you can figure out the Cause(s) and the Actual Solutions. I am NOT going to spoon feed any of you anymore, your research is more valuable to you than if I spoon feed you and you do not "like" (with your uneducated non factual emotive opinions) my research.

    Cause(s) + Effects = Results.

    Cause(s) = different Results (Desirable, or at the very least not f**king things up).

    "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it" - George Santayana

    And -god, vermontguy, NC1234, J_P_PatchesPal_1, this is especially true for you and those that voted for your uneducated posts; as YOU will NOT like what YOU find out (Direct and Indirect Cause(s) and Facts of who (whom), what, where, why, when, how, etc..).

    • 2 votes
    #1.19 - Thu Nov 22, 2012 10:37 AM EST

    Brad Watson, Miami.....there must be mental health clinics around Miami, please, get to one quickly, you are on the edge........................................

    • 4 votes
    #1.20 - Thu Nov 22, 2012 10:58 AM EST

    I am NOT going to spoon feed any of you anymore...

    Oooh, no more sh!t shoved at us. And you wonder why we never ate any! Your comment is pure nonsense.

    Well, it's Thanksgiving, you deserve to make a pig of yourself. Eat all you want. But you'll have to feed yourself... do you even KNOW how to use a spoon?

    • 5 votes
    #1.21 - Thu Nov 22, 2012 11:36 AM EST

    The laws of mankind were made to be broken. The laws of physics are immutable.

    If mankind puts so much GHGs into the atmosphere (changing the concentration of CO2, for example, from its value of 280 ppm to 400 ppm as we have done), it is absolutely a necessary thing that the earth will trap more enery and the climate will change. No amount of arrogance, or Bible thumping, or recycling, can possible change that.

    We've been told this since 1980 by our best climatologists, NASA, the National Academy of Science, the World Meteorological Organization, and so on. We have no one to blame except ourselves, although those of us who argued this case unsuccessfully for decades feel the right to blame the denier community, for all the good that will do. As to divine justice - hey, midwesterners - you're the guys who elected Inhofe who announced in 2003 that "I have offered compelling evidence that global warming is a hoax." The cause of the drought that is causing you this suffering is that you voted over and over again for those horrible anti-science Republicans.

    • 7 votes
    #1.22 - Thu Nov 22, 2012 11:43 AM EST

    Shun the Lord and famine, strange weather and sickness falls on the land. So it is written, so it is done. God will not be mocked.

    • 8 votes
    #1.23 - Thu Nov 22, 2012 12:36 PM EST

    We never really had a winter last year in St Louis. This winter is looking to repeat. It's predicted to be in the 70's on thanskgiving. That's not normal for the midwest. It's climate change stupid!!!

    • 9 votes
    #1.24 - Thu Nov 22, 2012 1:17 PM EST

    Hi Tramp, to you and yours have a fantastic and filling Holiday.

    You too -god

    • 1 vote
    #1.25 - Thu Nov 22, 2012 1:42 PM EST

    NASA folks need to start looking at TEXAS as an alternative to MARS or the MOON....

    It's so dry down here, I aint seen the official State Mascot (Amadillo) in years...he must be fossilized somewhere on I-59 or something...

    • 7 votes
    #1.26 - Thu Nov 22, 2012 1:44 PM EST

    All you folks who slagged Al Gore and the world's scientists, trying to deny what humans have done to this planet, do you have a conscience now? This is not a cycle or a drought, any more than the Dust Bowl was. This is us. We've paved, poisoned, clearcut, mined, slashed, burned, polluted and trashed our home. We've created a dying world for our kids and their kids. Were your needless leaf blowers, Hummers, jet skis, boats and other petroleum toys worth the death of the earth?

    • 7 votes
    #1.27 - Thu Nov 22, 2012 2:25 PM EST

    I'd luv to see you try and survive without fossil fuel technology. Get off that petroleum based computer you hypocrite!

    • 3 votes
    #1.28 - Thu Nov 22, 2012 3:54 PM EST

    Yes the sun is warmer in the Rockies then I can ever remember in the last 40 years.

    Yet while our climate continues to change I am forced to wonder if the GMO seeds are contributing to this horrible drought! I say this based on studies indicating that these gentically altered seeds for food have been found to kill the nutrients in the soils in which they are planted.

    Thus I do believe that these GMO seeds are contributing to these droughts as well as Fracking has limited the access to water for farmers

    Climate Change combined with man's misdeeds can only equal disaster!

    • 4 votes
    #1.29 - Thu Nov 22, 2012 4:00 PM EST

    Parts of west Texas only got a quarter of an inch when Noey had his flood.

    If you've ever been to Winslow Arizona you'ld think that they didn't get any. There are still clods of dirt, left over from the meteor strike, 40,000 years ago.

    Can you have a drought in a place that has never had a rain?

    • 2 votes
    #1.30 - Thu Nov 22, 2012 4:16 PM EST

    To all those that said this is God's wrath or repent for your sins or whatever, know this. Religions exist for thousands of years and there was barely anything change before and after the introduction of religions into this world.

    However, the focus of science in the last 150 years change the world completely which have done more benefit to us than religions ever able to accomplish. If you like your god so much, then live without science or anything benefit from it like before and see how you like it.

    Like GOP senator said "Science is from hell", then live like hundreds of years ago without science, see how your religion would help you to purify your mind and body.

    • 2 votes
    #1.31 - Thu Nov 22, 2012 4:24 PM EST

    You too -god

    You, too, Midnight, just saw your comment. ;-)

    The turkey smells great, but it's still in the oven (sigh).

    • 1 vote
    #1.32 - Thu Nov 22, 2012 4:25 PM EST

    Brad Watson just tryin to say he's outa prozac

    • 1 vote
    #1.33 - Thu Nov 22, 2012 8:09 PM EST

    Learn to do a Causative Timeline, so that all of you can figure out the Cause(s) and the Actual Solutions. I am NOT going to spoon feed any of you anymore, your research is more valuable to you than if I spoon feed you and you do not "like" (with your uneducated non factual emotive opinions) my research.

    Dave-475776 - In my bucket list, is the fading hope that once, before I die, I actually read a post from you where you actually state an explicit argument or theory on the subject being discussed, and back it up with logically linked facts, in a manner which people can actually discuss, and debate openly.

    All I ever see from from you is vague suggestions of some truth to which you are alluding. You then go on for pages, with disconnected facts the reader is expected to decipher, verify and then link to your unstated theory.

    To state your position clearly and concisely is not "spoon-feeding", it is communicating with an intent to inform, not to obscure.

    My personal guess as to your motives is that you are hesitant to state your positions openly, as then you would be forced to explicitly defend them. This analogous to guerrilla war-fare, where one declines to hold a an actual position, and instead resorts to harassment and hit and run techniques, sort of like asymmetrical warfare brought to the debating arena.

    Civil discussion and debate regarding controversial subjects is not warfare. Everybody should be willing to test the strength of their cherished positions in open debate with those who hold contrary opinions. You seem content to wrap yourself in the cloak of assumed, superior knowledge and merely case dark hints and aspersions at those with whom you disagree.

    I have great respect for your long service in the U.S. military and I empathize regarding the personal cost of this service. But I cannot respect your debating techniques, which I find evasive, intentionally vague and dishonest.

    I do, however, wish you and your family a safe and happy Thanksgiving.

    Remember my bucket list. You can help me cross off one of the items.

    • 1 vote
    #1.34 - Thu Nov 22, 2012 8:11 PM EST

    Unfortunately my Thanksgiving turkey tasted just as dry as the dry land in those pictures.

      #1.35 - Thu Nov 22, 2012 9:08 PM EST

      wolfpack2000

      was that turkey as dry as the one in Christmas Vacation?...now that's "DRY"

      • 1 vote
      #1.36 - Sat Nov 24, 2012 10:19 AM EST

      the benchmark from "scientists" is 15 years of gradual temperature increase suggests global warming , we are currently in year 16 of NO earth temperature increase , interesting

      "The world stopped getting warmer almost 16 years ago, according to new data released last week.

      The figures, which have triggered debate among climate scientists, reveal that from the beginning of 1997 until August 2012, there was no discernible rise in aggregate global temperatures.

      This means that the ‘plateau’ or ‘pause’ in global warming has now lasted for about the same time as the previous period when temperatures rose, 1980 to 1996. Before that, temperatures had been stable or declining for about 40 years."

      but of course they don't tell you about that report , they shout the BS from the rooftops though

      • 1 vote
      #1.37 - Sat Nov 24, 2012 10:27 AM EST
      Reply

      The ponds in my area,Blythewood,s.c. are dried up or are almost gone.

      • 4 votes
      Reply#2 - Thu Nov 22, 2012 4:52 AM EST

      I'm sure most of the Democrats are cheering at the plight of the farmers

      You're a real ass hole. If anyone deserves to suffer a natural (or other) disaster it's you.

      I feel bad for everyone else affected by this, but if you're one of the affected I'm cheering at YOUR plight. You deserve to be ruined. Then I'd love to see you refuse to go on welfare.

      • 21 votes
      #2.2 - Thu Nov 22, 2012 7:43 AM EST

      Oh, and Happy Thanksgiving!

      • 9 votes
      #2.3 - Thu Nov 22, 2012 7:53 AM EST

      lol, making ASSumptions about democrats from an anonymous internet blog? you're funny. And pathetic.

      • 13 votes
      #2.4 - Thu Nov 22, 2012 7:58 AM EST

      Dear god: Thank you for wishing this numbskull a wonderful day...........it is people like this that care less about others than they do of their own precious opinions

      • 6 votes
      #2.5 - Thu Nov 22, 2012 7:59 AM EST

      's all good..............if you think that the answer is prayer, you are gonna stay pretty dry. Interesting that you are crying that assistance never came at the same time your state votes for the guy who wants to cut off all federal assistance to everyone. Did you think Mitt was going to personally bail you out ? If so you have a long wait. The only people contributing to the red states economy are the blue states ! Red states take all the federal money, blue states contribute the federal money, and then we have to listen to the red states cry that they are against federal aid ! ( I guess that means for anyone except themselves ). The true federal welfare states have one thing in common, they all vote Republican, amazing isn't it ?

      • 5 votes
      #2.6 - Thu Nov 22, 2012 11:04 AM EST

      Didn't Obama promise to fix this the first time he ran?

      • 3 votes
      #2.7 - Thu Nov 22, 2012 1:59 PM EST

      Hi all, its 80 and sunny in San Diego, happy Thanksgiving! Just sitting in the pool relaxing before dinner...thought i would get on my i-pad and join in the conversation. Now whats the subject?

      • 1 vote
      #2.8 - Thu Nov 22, 2012 2:56 PM EST
      Reply

      This article is a reprint from August. It's a waste of space and time.

      • 3 votes
      Reply#3 - Thu Nov 22, 2012 5:37 AM EST

      If you had clicked on the Drought Monitor link, you would have seen that the latest map this story references is dated November 20, 2012, valid at 7 a.m. EST. It is a very interesting weekly report to follow.

      • 9 votes
      #3.1 - Thu Nov 22, 2012 5:48 AM EST

      Gee, I guess you would expect there to be a full staff in the newsroom on Thanksgiving? They always re-run news on holidays, where you been. Get another cup of coffee and read the Christmas ads.

      • 5 votes
      #3.2 - Thu Nov 22, 2012 5:51 AM EST

      I would counter that those that still ignore the mountain of evidence that we are screwing up our only home are the wastes of time and space.

      • 9 votes
      #3.3 - Thu Nov 22, 2012 9:01 AM EST
      Comment author avatarUncleBen-3793367Expand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

      @ anti-trust You missed my point. The old article is forecasting low yields and high prices. The harvest is over. All the actual numbers have been in for some time. News is supposed to be current, and adding a link, doesn't make it current. Publish the link, if you have no story to tell.

      • 1 vote
      #3.4 - Thu Nov 22, 2012 11:41 AM EST
      Reply

      I'm know I'm going to get verbally slapped for this but I'm going to say it anyway. This is an effect of global warming. I do feel for these people regaurdless.

      • 11 votes
      Reply#4 - Thu Nov 22, 2012 5:38 AM EST

      I suppose runaway population growth and the destruction of ecosystems has little or nothing to do with it.

      • 9 votes
      #4.1 - Thu Nov 22, 2012 5:41 AM EST

      BlackandGold, see my comment I was posting at the same time. Global warming, runaway population growth both in the US and the world, and our continued destruction of our ecosystems all contribute to our changing weather patterns and the droughts, floods, storms, etc.

      • 9 votes
      #4.2 - Thu Nov 22, 2012 5:44 AM EST
      Comment author avatarDrManExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

      It's funny, we used to hear Obama Claus scream and squawk about global warming, now he rarely mentions it. I suspect it's because even he realizes that in order to combat global warming, we are all going to have to pay more for everything. Since this is not one of the 1,396,128 things that can be solved by solely taxing the rich, he doesn't bring it up.

      • 3 votes
      #4.3 - Thu Nov 22, 2012 9:08 AM EST

      Domewars-

      Why would you get "slapped" for saying this is an effect of global warming?

      There is ZERO doubt that the climate is changing,those that deny this must not spend any time outdoors-I've been a fisherman and hunter for over 40 years,and those of us who hunt and fish a lot were some of the first to support climate change theories-due to the fact that we saw it firsthand,with our own eyes.

      What we saw years ago was warm water fish showing up in cold water trout streams,ducks and geese that no longer migrate south,or migrate weeks or months later than in the past,in the Rocky mountain west-we saw the northward advance of the pine bark beetle-do a little research on that-billions of acres of pine trees destroyed- from Colorado to Canada. There's a lotr more,but as you already agree with the climate change theory-I'll stop with those few-

      Have a great Thanksgiving!

      • 6 votes
      #4.4 - Thu Nov 22, 2012 9:16 AM EST

      Why haven't those who say global warming due increased CO2 production is junk science, haven't convinced those horticulturists who've pumped CO2 into greenhouses for decades, that they are wasting money and perfoming useless work?

      • 1 vote
      #4.5 - Fri Nov 23, 2012 10:23 AM EST
      Reply

      What a story to post on a slow holiday day of news, and to post it on Thanksgiving? Having grown up on a farm in NW OH, I fully understand what farmers are going through. What amazes me is that the fossil fuel industry continues to rob the residents (human and animal) of their precious water just to frack for oil and gas. TX is a good example of this greed.

      Despite this, Happy Thanksgiving everyone. I hope you all have a safe and happy holiday and give thanks for the blessings that you do have.

      • 6 votes
      Reply#5 - Thu Nov 22, 2012 5:42 AM EST

      Karma comes back to those frackers - the guy who stole the Seattle Super Sonics (set up shell companies to frack farm land) is leading a poll for worst CEO of the year of a company.

      • 4 votes
      #5.1 - Thu Nov 22, 2012 6:03 AM EST

      • 3 votes
      #5.2 - Thu Nov 22, 2012 7:19 AM EST

      Thanks for the comment because I was thinking the same thing about fracking.............no problem using a couple of million gallons of water to get gas and oil out of the ground............but then when we use the gasoline to go to the store to BUY water................something wrong here and we will be paying the piper when water is more expensive than gas.

      • 3 votes
      #5.3 - Thu Nov 22, 2012 8:20 AM EST

      The water you buy in the store is already more expensive than gas. And it is just tap water that has been run through another set of filters.

      • 3 votes
      #5.4 - Thu Nov 22, 2012 9:11 AM EST

      And the ink for your printer is 100-150 times the price of a gallon of gas. Yes, for some printer cartridges, the cost for the ink is close to $640/gallon (using the price of the OEM cartridges). Think about that on this Thanksgiving, hehe. And we just throw it all away, on paper or still in the cartridge, creating a nightmare for our landfills. That is why I try to reduce some of the cost on our environment by refilling my cartridges.

      • 1 vote
      #5.5 - Thu Nov 22, 2012 11:38 AM EST

      Does anyone still need/use paper? I have been converting ALL documents to digital format for years. Bills and all get transformed.

        #5.6 - Thu Nov 22, 2012 5:46 PM EST
        Reply

        Never fear guys. When things were going good ol' Joseph convinced the Pharoah to store up the excess grain so when you guys run out of something to eat you can trade everything you own for enough to stay alive.

        Enjoy your gobble gobble day.

        • 9 votes
        Reply#6 - Thu Nov 22, 2012 5:51 AM EST

        Spacey,

        No Jewish jokes please.

        • 1 vote
        #6.1 - Thu Nov 22, 2012 9:41 AM EST
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        The article stated, "He said there was no clear, scientific explanation for why the drought was lingering or estimate for how long it would last."???

        Last winter the Northern Hemisphere snow cover extent during February was above average and ranked as the 8 th largest February snow cover extent in the 46-year period. This was influenced by the La Niña (cooling of the Pacific Tropic Ocean water) and a ozone hole over the Arctic... see http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/global-snow/2012/2

        The first ozone hole above the North Pole (2011) was aggravated by extraordinarily cold winter temperatures, Dr. Björn-Martin Sinnhuber, main author of the Arctic study...

        The current loss is thanks to the polar vortex, a weather system that circulates over the Arctic. The weather in the stratosphere remained cold for an unusually long period, and cold air spread over a larger area than normal. Observations over the past thirty years indicate that the stratosphere in cold Arctic winters cooled down by about 1°C per decade on the average.
        .. see http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2089537/Ozone-hole-Arctic-actually-caused-COLD-weather.html

        Issued on Friday 16 November 2012 - the El Niño-Southern Oscillation (ENSO) are at neutral levels. Ocean surface temperatures in the equatorial Pacific are neutral with near Ocean surface temperatures in the equatorial Pacific are neutral with near average temperatures in the east and warmer than normal waters in central and western regions. Sub surface temperature patterns are also close to normal. Likewise, tropical patterns of winds, cloud and pressures also remain near normal for the remainder of 2012 and into the first quarter of 2013...

        In the U.S., the "dust bowl" droughts of the 1930s and 1950s are the most severe examples of the devastating effect of extended periods of dryness. In the 1930s, drought virtually covered the entire Plains for almost a decade.

        The University of Regina's Leavitt suggests that people must prepare for recurring droughts regardless of the impacts of global warming. "We've seen historic droughts in some cases five to seven decades long, with severity along the lines of [the Dust Bowl of] the 1930s," he said, noting that he expects such droughts to return. "They have occurred for the last several thousand years, so there's no reason to expect anything different.".. see http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/0614_050614_drought_2.html

        I wish these computer model jockeys would read their history and/or talk to the Geologist and Meteorologist...

        • 3 votes
        Reply#7 - Thu Nov 22, 2012 6:09 AM EST

        Anybody able to get a point from this post - is it pro or con Global Warming? Looks like I'm the one that needs another cup of coffee...but I still ain't re-reading this post...lol.

        • 9 votes
        #7.1 - Thu Nov 22, 2012 6:20 AM EST

        I'm not sure what you were trying to get across in that history lesson. I think we all know that droughts have occurred in the past not only in North America but throughout the world. It is more than obvious we are in the midst of one at this moment.

        I can further state that logic dictates that global warming will exacerbate global weather patterns.

        • 7 votes
        #7.2 - Thu Nov 22, 2012 7:30 AM EST

        AC Robertson

        The article stated, "He said there was no clear, scientific explanation for why the drought was lingering or estimate for how long it would last."???

        Last winter the Northern Hemisphere snow cover extent during February was above average and ranked as the 8 th largest February snow cover extent in the 46-year period. This was influenced by the La Niña (cooling of the Pacific Tropic Ocean water) and a ozone hole over the Arctic... see http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/global-snow/2012/2

        You've, ad hoc, copied and pasted a salad of truncated articles as to construct your case, none of which you really academically appreciate I am sure. You're even confused as to which scientific discipline that the study of climate pertains to. You got two wrong guesses. The correct answer is climatology.

        • 3 votes
        #7.3 - Thu Nov 22, 2012 10:21 AM EST

        Critics will be critics AC, I read between the lines and get what your dishing out even though cranberries can be a bit bitter they are good for you... :-)

        • 1 vote
        #7.4 - Thu Nov 22, 2012 10:58 AM EST

        AC Robertson said:

        Last winter the Northern Hemisphere snow cover extent during February was above average and ranked as the 8 th largest February snow cover extent in the 46-year period.

        AC, you spend a lot of time talking about climate change, but you don't spend any time actually getting information about it.

        I'll write this in an easy to digest manner for you:

        Winters are generally dry. Snow requires moisture. Warmer waters from climate change put moisture into the air. More moisture = more snow. Climate change = wetter winters for some parts of the US. AC = misinformed.

        Remember: Warm = wet winters, not cold.

          #7.5 - Thu Nov 22, 2012 12:33 PM EST

          AC robertson, thanks for the post but I like to get my science from NASA. I respect a person's ability to do their job. They have been studying Climate Change so I'll take their advice. NASA and the EPA have the expected results of Climate Change per region.

            #7.6 - Fri Nov 23, 2012 1:21 AM EST
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            Here in SW WA, it seems like we are above average. I know in the last couple of days, we have had plenty of rain. For once, this summer, we had a long dry spell, which in a way was nice, but normally we have plenty of moisture, either rain or marine cover that results in heavy dews at times.

            • 4 votes
            Reply#8 - Thu Nov 22, 2012 6:11 AM EST

            Nice staged picture showing the rib cage of some animal. It is obvious it was planted on the ground to give a shock effect. Where is the rest of the animal and why would the rancher leave it to rot like that? It even appears as if there is dung on it? So sick of mainstream media swaying opinion by staged photos and biased journalism. Sorry not buying into that photo MSNBC try again! Maybe I will take the turkey carcass today and set it in the drive way and claim it was the drought that killed it.

            • 5 votes
            Reply#9 - Thu Nov 22, 2012 6:17 AM EST

            Right - cuz everyone just keeps old cow parts in the garage just so they can stage photos. I run across old (many times not so old) cow carcases often when camping in Arizona - free range cattle often lose part of the herd. More than once I've found that someone has turned off the spigot to the well that furnishes the herd water.

            What other boogie men are on your list with the media? As a liberal, I sure don't find the media to favor my ideals (when I come up with an agenda, I'll let you know). The media represents the 1%ers - you know - the guys who actually own the media.

            • 6 votes
            #9.1 - Thu Nov 22, 2012 6:33 AM EST

            It is not the whole carcass and it could have died from anything as you stated this often happens, as far as the 1%ers u think so? MSNBC is nothing but a liberal site promoting mainly liberal ideas, agendas and politicians. You must not read too many articles on here. As far as who owns the media they are the ones who ultimately sway opinion allowing who they would prefer to get elected. The 1%ers are the ones who buy politicians and they control and operate both sides to divide the sheep. Right now you should be elated Obumbles won and should be promoting your ideals unless you differ with him and his agenda. As far as your distaste for the 1% who is it that hires workers in large numbers? It sure isn't the poor...

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            #9.2 - Thu Nov 22, 2012 6:59 AM EST

            Thanks for spreading your 'wisdom'. Or whatever it is you are spreading.

            Coyotes and other scavengers often carry off anything they can from a carcass. That 'dung' you incorrectly identified is the remainder of the skin and connective rib tissue.

            If you had ever raised animals, especially commercially, you'd understand. I saw from your 'Obumbles' reference that you understand very little, but congratulations for managing to post on a forum.

            • 6 votes
            #9.3 - Thu Nov 22, 2012 9:07 AM EST

            Mmmm ribs!

              #9.4 - Thu Nov 22, 2012 3:08 PM EST

              Lynardsky, If you hate MSN sooo much, GO AWAY!

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              #9.5 - Thu Nov 22, 2012 8:19 PM EST
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              Dipsh-ts, all. I don't know about you all, but GEORGE BUSH IS SOMEHOW CAUSING THIS TOO, and I'm getting a little sick of his involvement in all things untoward. I can't find my keys today, and this too has his name all over it. Aa.

              • 5 votes
              Reply#10 - Thu Nov 22, 2012 6:22 AM EST

              Somebody didn't get an invite to grandmas for Thanksgiving.

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              #10.1 - Thu Nov 22, 2012 6:36 AM EST
              Comment author avatarLynyrdSkyExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

              Keep ur chin up pal I am sure Obumbles will give you an invite or at least a free bird.

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              #10.2 - Thu Nov 22, 2012 7:01 AM EST

              The free bird is next year!!

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              #10.3 - Thu Nov 22, 2012 10:10 AM EST
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              Drought and the causes of it remain at least "somewhat" elusive. What's for sure is that we can't doing anything about improving the situation.

              From drought to water supply:

              The town I live in has a water ban that is currently in effect. That's due to lack of precipitation i.e. rain and snow. Last winter, there was next to no snow for the entire season.

              Now,

              There is a way around water shortage. From my research, some coastal countries turn sea water into drinking water. It worked. That means problem solved to some. However, it could do little to widespread drought that we are currently experiencing.

              What's next ...

              Call in some wizards to perform rituals for rain (jockingly).

              Happy Thanksgiving

                Reply#11 - Thu Nov 22, 2012 6:47 AM EST

                Actually during the dust bowl they tried the rituals (didn't work) they tried prayer too and that didn't work. They finally listened to the Agriculture department and started farming smarter. contour plowing, wind breaks leaving stubble in the fields, etc. 10 years of drought during the dust bowl and a much smaller population. most of the people affected wound up working for the WPA. Government work in case you don't read history.

                I don't wish that time on any one let alone us, but I do believe that climate change is the greatest threat to mankind world wide. Much mores so than terrorists the only thing that could be worse would be a nuke war. It's time for all of us to pull together and get our earth healthy again. It's going to be a bumpy road ahead. Put away some dried beans, etc and stuff that keeps just in case. You may need it.

                • 1 vote
                #11.1 - Thu Nov 22, 2012 6:46 PM EST
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                Do we have a higher 48?

                • 1 vote
                Reply#12 - Thu Nov 22, 2012 7:01 AM EST

                No, I think America's IQ has become stuck at the lower 48 level.

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                #12.1 - Thu Nov 22, 2012 7:08 AM EST

                No upper 48,,Alaska is the upper 1 state,,and Canada is the upper 10,,, 13 if you count the territories

                • 1 vote
                #12.2 - Thu Nov 22, 2012 9:30 AM EST

                Yes but in a drought i prefer the 7 upper's!! And that's 57 states!!

                • 1 vote
                #12.3 - Thu Nov 22, 2012 10:12 AM EST

                The answer to your questionCHASS881 is as soon as they legalize pot in the rest of the states.

                  #12.4 - Thu Nov 22, 2012 8:21 PM EST
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                  Comment author avatarRob MudphudExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

                  JPPP 1. Seems like much of our US media are in the hands of THE TRIBE, same for Hollywood, many businesses, some professions and now nearly 10% of our legislatures. The data show that these folks tend to vote toward the left. The Koch Bros. are definitely in the minority in these regards. Certainly the media reportage, with rare exceptions, leans this way, although liberally oriented folks seem to have a hard time seeing (or admitting) such. But I for one am grateful for the political back and forth between the right and left we enjoy in our republic. Balance ain't all bad, and our country is plenty strong enough to withstand the occasional excesses. Alternatives are frightening. Just wish there wasn't so much mean spirited talk. No, Grandmas, all of them, are in Heaven. But I'll be with family anyway. Hope you will be as well. Enjoy the day. Aaltarboy.

                  • 1 vote
                  Reply#13 - Thu Nov 22, 2012 7:07 AM EST

                  Better watch it Rob, you will get banned for speaking the truth like that. After all, what was the straw that broke the camels back and got Charlie Sheen fired??

                  • 1 vote
                  #13.1 - Thu Nov 22, 2012 7:53 AM EST

                  Thank the Lord the Koch brothers and their fellow vultures ARE in the minority. It was nice to see them get a spanking on the national stage and sent home with Willard and the other sellouts.

                  It is a little ironic that the 'red' states are the ones hit hardest by the drought. These morons may figure it out eventually.

                  • 5 votes
                  #13.2 - Thu Nov 22, 2012 9:10 AM EST

                  You mean we stand in very long lines waiting for Obumbo and his Democrat friend to hand us everything we need in life?? Coool!! Where's the line start, i'm sick and tired of working, i want to join that OWS group and just drink beer and smoke that funny stuff. That's what Obumbo want's it's it?? All of us just vegatables out here in the dry open plains. Please give me a few Koch brothers to employ somebody. The brothers in the hood aren't employing anybody. Got it!!!! And as far as red states, please the blue states are going to fall off the sides of the country first and then all the rest that's left the red states get to keep!!! And then it will rain like you wouldn't believe.

                  • 1 vote
                  #13.3 - Thu Nov 22, 2012 10:21 AM EST

                  Another dumb ass red neck with another dumb ass comment. Get a life

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                  #13.4 - Thu Nov 22, 2012 11:03 AM EST
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                  Comment author avatarMAR45343Expand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

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                    Reply#14 - Thu Nov 22, 2012 7:08 AM EST

                    You post this all over the place MAR45343. What exactly do you want us to do.

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                    #14.1 - Thu Nov 22, 2012 10:39 AM EST
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                    All the denying has come full circle and is bitting the republicans in the azz!!!! Too bad innocents have to hurt for their lack of intelligence!!!!

                    • 5 votes
                    Reply#15 - Thu Nov 22, 2012 7:17 AM EST

                    What innocents are you talking about. Nothing has been, will be done, or can be done about global warming.

                    • 1 vote
                    #15.1 - Thu Nov 22, 2012 10:40 AM EST
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                    Reply#16 - Thu Nov 22, 2012 7:23 AM EST

                    check out "global temperature trends since 2,500 BC". Mother Earth knows what she is doing.

                      Reply#17 - Thu Nov 22, 2012 7:41 AM EST

                      Don't worry about it. Go watch TV.

                      • 5 votes
                      #17.1 - Thu Nov 22, 2012 7:49 AM EST

                      U.S. southwest could see a 60-year drought like that of 12th century — only hotter — this century

                      http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2010/12/14/207198/southwest-drought-global-warmin/?mobile=nc

                      The drought they are speaking of is the one that brought the Anazasi culture to its end, to avoid being eaten by the cannibals below the survivors built their cliff dwellings to keep the wives and kids safe, the cannibals gave it up for lack of good hunting and moved on down south to Mexico and became the Aztecs.

                      How's that for a brief scan of just how serious some of this can be? Not even funny when we realize we're speeding up this process by our own actions.

                      • 4 votes
                      #17.2 - Thu Nov 22, 2012 9:15 AM EST

                      No evidence we are speeding this up by our actions. Provide facts and proof.

                      • 1 vote
                      #17.3 - Thu Nov 22, 2012 10:42 AM EST

                      Rex,

                      Always heard there just ain't no fixin' stupid, but I'll try. Just check any charts showing historical CO2 levels and notice the spike that begins at the beginning of the industrial age. Check the effects of CO2 in the atmosphere, notice that it is increasing at rates greater than anytime in the world's history, ask yourself where all this CO2 is coming from, etc. etc. etc.

                      I think the evidence is overwhelming that our actions are like putting the pedal to the metal in what might have otherwise been a natural climatic swing.

                      The facts and proofs are already out there. Why haven't you bothered to look? Been listening to too much Limbaugh lately?

                      • 4 votes
                      #17.4 - Thu Nov 22, 2012 11:04 AM EST
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                      GOD or 'Mother Nature' is to blame, right? "He said there was no clear, scientific explanation for why the drought was lingering or estimate for how long it would last." Is it a 'coincidence' that the drought has been hitting primarily Red States? Do you believe Bible stories? There's several examples of GOD's blessings for good behaviour and curses for bad deeds. Contrary to popular Christian belief where "All believers receive blessings from GOD", the Bible states over 25 times that "We are judged according to our actions". "You reap what you sow". Christ returning to judge everyone according to their deeds is the number 1 point of the Bible!

                      George(6 letters) Walker(6) Bush Jr.(6): the "2nd Beast" is guilty of war crimes and crimes against humanity with regard to his lies of reasons for the War In Iraq ("the destruction of Babylon"). Ronald(6) Wilson(6) Reagan(6) was the "1st Beast whose actions were the opposite of the Christ, was ruler of the world, lied to all nations, and was wounded yet lived." United(6) States(6) Dollar(6) is the "mark of the Beast that everyone must have to buy and sell with". - The Revelation Chapter 13. On the back of the US $1 Dollar Bill, the #13 is encoded 13 times.

                      If the US repents, the drought (and other 'natural' disasters) will lessen or cease. If there is no repenting, well, then Mother Nature can be blamed for the natural disasters that will continue to punish the US.

                      Non-coincidental synchronic reaction: 07:38 "The Walkers: America's most traitorous family" - The Most on History Channel

                      • 1 vote
                      Reply#18 - Thu Nov 22, 2012 7:50 AM EST

                      Christ returning to judge everyone according to their deeds is the number 1 point of the Bible!

                      He's dead. Get over it. 

                      And that fact makes the bible pointless.

                      • 3 votes
                      #18.1 - Thu Nov 22, 2012 8:43 AM EST

                      We might try building pyramids and yank out a few hearts to appease these gods.

                      • 2 votes
                      #18.2 - Thu Nov 22, 2012 9:17 AM EST

                      I seen Christ last week, trust me he's alive. He saved my life. Literally!!! He told me he wasn't through with me yet. He said you got some fish to sell, boy!! And my fish don't need water. Praise the Lord, and God Bless the United States of America!!

                        #18.3 - Thu Nov 22, 2012 10:26 AM EST

                        You have to be kidding, right?

                          #18.4 - Thu Nov 22, 2012 4:51 PM EST

                          Damn ! Brad your post history is a perfect example of someone obsessing about numbers.

                          I would give you the phone number to a good therapist but as you would find a way to compute a 666 from that number you would never call him so what's the point.

                            #18.5 - Thu Nov 22, 2012 4:58 PM EST

                            -god (how disrespectful a screen name),

                            Our souls are eternal. "Energy is neither created or destroyed, although it can be transformed". "Consciousness is neither created or destroyed, although it can be transferred." "Information can be created but not destroyed, although it can be transferred.

                            The eternal soul of Jesus son of Joseph lived many lives before his birthdate of April 17, 6 BC (17/4/748 AUC) and many lives since including Benjamin Franklin, Abraham Lincoln, and Albert Einstein.

                            Re: your reasoning of "Jesus is dead and that makes the Bible pointless" is very illogical. Do you believe that since our Founding Fathers are dead, the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution are pointless? Only a real idiot would see any logic behind that.

                            You get one WARNING to repent or at least to cease and desist.

                            --------------------------------------------------------

                            Everyone,

                            Note that after I posted the above, GOD/nature had some fog in Texas cause a 150 car pile-up. GOD and His Christ are Messin' With Texas.

                              #18.6 - Fri Nov 23, 2012 8:51 AM EST

                              Space Captain,

                              Were you trying to be funny? REPENT! There is One GOD of everyone on this earth and all other worlds. You don't have to acknowledge Him and he doesn't have to help you either. We're all judged accordingly and if you are helping the system, you'll soon be reincarnated as human. If not, you'll be reincarnated as beef cows, farm pigs and turkeys and your body as food will help the system.

                                #18.7 - Fri Nov 23, 2012 9:04 AM EST
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                                First things first... this would be a good time to let Texas secede from the union in accordance with the desires of their governor and about 300,000 signers of their secession petition.

                                • 4 votes
                                Reply#19 - Thu Nov 22, 2012 8:03 AM EST

                                Yeah, and don't let the Alamo hit you in the ass on the way out!

                                • 1 vote
                                #19.1 - Thu Nov 22, 2012 3:11 PM EST
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                                You can directly blame the oil and gas industry, the coal industry and the Republican Party for denying there is global warming and fighting any controls on carbon, oil and petroleum pollutants, and alternative energies with their army of lobbyists from industry and Republicans at the cash trough sucking every bribe....er, ah..."contribution" thrown their way. It is up to every American to never again vote for ANY Republican at any level as their stupidity and crazy ideology in all areas is/has literally killed our country and a good chunk of our future already.

                                • 5 votes
                                Reply#20 - Thu Nov 22, 2012 8:14 AM EST

                                I sure would be grateful if the pubs and the ones willing to trade our planet for greenbacks would get at least one of these clues constantly being pushed in their face.

                                • 2 votes
                                #20.1 - Thu Nov 22, 2012 9:11 AM EST

                                Hard to know the truth about GW when so much money is being spent to misinform the public.

                                Through Koch Industries and their family foundations, the Koch brothers are premier financiers to organizations that deny, skepticize or belittle the significance of global warming. Compared to ExxonMobil which spent $10.2 million on skeptic groups from 2005-2008, Koch Industries dwarfed their contribution with a $31.6 million effort.

                                http://www.polluterwatch.com/koch-industries

                                • 1 vote
                                #20.2 - Thu Nov 22, 2012 10:00 AM EST

                                For Obama's third run for the Presidency in 2016, the Republican Party will be an outlawed party with people being rounded up and disappearing in the night. The Union's will operate the polling stations for the Democrat Party. Vote early, vote often!!

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                                #20.3 - Thu Nov 22, 2012 10:31 AM EST
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                                It is time to help texas get out of america. Obama and the congress should be expediting texas succession, really they should.Texans dont want some evil filty socialist(like fdr) telling them what to do. The rest of america doesnt want the american people to start sending millions on our TAX dollars to rich texas cattlemen.remember, crop insurance, tax loopholes etc. very few cattle producers have lost a nickel because of the drought. So let texas go, we dont need them. if they dont go now, its time to cut them off from the federal teat till the document that gives them the right to suceed is torn up and voided. Why do we need to listen to them whine and cry succession everytine they dont like something? America can get by with out texas. really, we can. goodbye texas, and good riddance. take az with you

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                                Reply#21 - Thu Nov 22, 2012 8:16 AM EST

                                My wife and sold all of our cattle last year due to the drought so I have to disagree with your comment about very few cattlemen have lost money due to the drought. Most cattle come from small herds. For several decades we raised Angus but it has reached a point that the input costs (feed, minerals, fertilizer, etc) out weighs the price we can get per head. The consumer ultimately will be the one who loses the most. Not at McDonalds but at the grocery store. You may think the drought has not affected many cattle producers but as a person who knows cattle and other ranchers I felt the need to give my position.

                                • 7 votes
                                #21.1 - Thu Nov 22, 2012 9:01 AM EST

                                Did you know yexas recieved 6 billion dollars of federal help?? Look it up on texas.us.gov.

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                                #21.2 - Thu Nov 22, 2012 8:25 PM EST
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                                Solar power is not really practical for directly providing electricity to our homes and cities, BUT is can work excellently to produce electricity to breakdown water into hydrogen and oxygen to provide for cars and power plants to use in fuel cell pwored technology with zero pollution and the only output other than the electricity would be WATER as the ONLY byproduct!!!!!!

                                • 6 votes
                                Reply#22 - Thu Nov 22, 2012 8:19 AM EST

                                Actually, the electricity needed to split water into oxygen and hydrogen could be better used to directly power cars. This is one of Newton's laws - conservation of energy.

                                It basically states that any energy conversion process has overhead that reduces the total available energy.

                                • 1 vote
                                #22.1 - Thu Nov 22, 2012 9:16 AM EST

                                Nice idea,but not economically viable- wind and solar power-without gov't. subisides-can not survive as industries.

                                • 1 vote
                                #22.2 - Thu Nov 22, 2012 9:37 AM EST

                                Solar thermal (ie: preheating your hot water tank) is cheap, simple technology that's used world-wide. Somewhere between 10-40% of the energy we use in our homes is just to heat hot water. Really silly considering how many of us live in the desert!

                                • 1 vote
                                #22.3 - Thu Nov 22, 2012 4:06 PM EST

                                Solar Power may improve by MIT. They are working on a liquid metal battery to improve Solar and Wind.

                                  #22.4 - Fri Nov 23, 2012 1:28 AM EST
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                                  Wait, I missed something. Are these not the same states who send people to Congress who do not "believe" in climate change? The senators and representatives who cut science grants while increasing oil subsidies? The same people who think the Federal government is a worthless burden? The same people who believe that "God" uses natural disasters to punish "sinners"? The same people who, instead of spending money on scientific research, pay teachers to count the number of times Christianity and Islam are mentioned in school books?

                                  Now they want help. Now they want US to see THEIR problems? I say let them secede. 90% of the states on the succession list are in the deep south and also suffering from drought. This is ALSO the same area that started the LAST Civil War. Same people, same ideas. The southern United States has not progressed socially or politically during the last 150 years. This is also the area that nearly every state takes much more from the Federal government than it pays in taxes, by far. The area that hates marriage equality but also the area that leads the planet in Google searches for gay porn.

                                  Remember your motto Deep South: You are rugged individuals with God on your side. Yeah. Well...get to it. Take care of yourself, all alone, or get down on your knees and pray for help. But what you do NOT need to do is ask for, or even accept, help from anyone outside your state. Let`s see what you've got.

                                  • 6 votes
                                  Reply#23 - Thu Nov 22, 2012 8:25 AM EST

                                  "The senators and representatives who cut science grants while increasing oil subsidies?"

                                  What are you smoking? it must be really good-as there have been NO increses in oil "subsidies" and the so-called subsidies that you are whining about are not even subsisies-NO gov't. money is given to oil companies-the only "subsidies" they get are depreciation on equipment,and tax credits for exploration.

                                  "This is ALSO the same area that started the LAST Civil War. Same people, same ideas. The southern United States has not progressed socially or politically during the last 150 years."

                                  Actually it was the NORTHERN states that started the civil war-and your prejudices are showing-the south is NOT the same as it was 150 years ago,nor do the same ideas exist-

                                  other than not liking being told what they can and can not do by so-called "progressives" who believe that their way is the only way,and that "progressives" are smarter than everyone else,know more than everyone else,therefore-those in south must be nothing more than uneducated,racist rednecks-

                                  THAT is YOUR view-your opinion-howver-it is NOT correct-you are NOT smarter,you do NOT know what is best for others,and while painting others as racists-YOU are the true racist.

                                  "This is also the area that nearly every state takes much more from the Federal government than it pays in taxes, by far."

                                  Maybe that is the long-term effect of Shermans butchery,and total destrcution of much of the south.

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                                  #23.1 - Thu Nov 22, 2012 9:50 AM EST

                                  Actually it was the NORTHERN states that started the civil war

                                  Which side fired on Fort Sumter?

                                  Put down your Texas' copy of History.

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                                  #23.2 - Thu Nov 22, 2012 11:21 AM EST

                                  Let em go secede. Or try. And they'll will wipe the floor with them again! Don't they realize you once you're in the club, you can't get out!

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                                  #23.3 - Thu Nov 22, 2012 3:18 PM EST
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                                  Ofcourse it's a DROUGHT !. We use all of our natural resources - to grown grain to feed cows - so we can kill them and eat them. 1/3 of all grain goes to feed livestock. We have feed and water the 50billion animals that are killed every year in the US just so we can enjoy the poision found in a McDonald's hamburger or gorge ourselves on steaks and bacon. We're killing our planet because we insist on eating meat. Stop eating meat - get healthier - save your planet - and live compassionately.

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                                  Reply#24 - Thu Nov 22, 2012 8:26 AM EST

                                  Don't know what the post on top of this has to do with the drought. We have been in a state of drought since the mid 80's. It has progressivly gotten worse! I believe in global warming, however not for all the reason's most think. Grand Funk said it best many years ago" over population is the problem of the day,too many children on the earth and more on the way". What we have here is failure to communicate! I truly hope all have a really nice thanksgiving and for 1 day we can put our differences aside and just relax and enjoy what we all have!

                                    Reply#25 - Thu Nov 22, 2012 9:01 AM EST
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