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Army Pfc. Bradley Manning.
FORT MEADE, Md. -- The U.S. soldier accused in the biggest leak of classified information in U.S. history broke his silence in court Thursday, speaking in great length and detail about his time in various U.S. military detention facilities.
In the third day of a hearing to determine whether he should face court-martial, Pfc. Bradley Manning began by describing the day he was detained in Iraq on May 27, 2010, and then described each cell and detention facility he's been in since.
After a few days in a facility in Iraq, Manning was taken to Camp Arifjan in Kuwait. He characterized his cell there as a "cage," dark and with no air conditioning. Manning said that after several weeks in the segregation tent at Camp Arifjan he felt like a caged animal. "I was a mess, I totally started to fall apart," he said.
Manning described how he "started to really deteriorate,” and how he was anxious all the time. "I'm going to die, I'm stuck inside this cage," he said he thought to himself, adding, "I had pretty much given up."
He said that on June 30, 2010, he had a mental break from reality. Manning said that he doesn't remember yelling uncontrollably, screaming, mumbling, or making a noose out of his bedsheets, describing everything from those hours as foggy and hazy.
Manning acknowledged that he "certainly contemplated" suicide but that he "didn't want to die," he just wanted to "get out of the cage." After several weeks of medication, Manning said, he began to "flatten out."
That July, he found out he was moving to another facility, but he had no idea where he was going. He speculated that he could be going to Guantanamo Bay, saying that he was "very scared" and "had no idea" what would happen to him. It wasn't until he was on a plane in Germany that he found out he was flying to Baltimore-Washington International Airport.WI.
Manning said he was "elated" to be back on U.S. soil, but that feeling was trampled when he arrived at Quantico for in-processing. He testified that the Marines conducted a "shark attack" on him, forcing him to fill out paperwork for hours, barking at him the entire time.
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During those hours, Manning answered a question about any suicidal tendencies by saying that he is "always plotting, but never acting." He wasn't thinking about what he was writing so he responded sarcastically he said, adding that he now regrets that. That statement would haunt him for the duration of his time at Quantico.
Manning was placed on suicide risk when he arrived at Quantico, and he stayed at virtually the same restrictive level for his entire nine months there.
During Thursday’s hearing he used a diagram made of white tape on the floor of the courtroom to illustrate how small his Quantico cell was. He put on a suicide smock (the thick, heavy jumper he was given to sleep in at night), showed a suicide mattress, and described his daily life there.
Manning was always in restraints when out of his cell, and he described in detail a minor altercation he had with the guards in January 2011 that led to even further restrictions.
Manning, frustrated to still be on restrictions in March 2011, tried to make his case to the commander at the brig. He argued that if he wanted to kill himself, he could just use his socks or underwear, something already in his cell.
As expected, that caused the brig leadership to begin taking his clothes away from him at night, citing the need to protect him from harming himself. This was how Manning ended up standing naked at count one morning. Manning testified that he spent several minutes standing completely naked as the guards counted the prisoners after his first night without clothes. His clothes were taken away again that night (and every night after that), but the following mornings the guards had his clothes waiting for him before count.
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In April 2011, Manning was transferred to the Joint Detention Facility at Fort Leavenworth, Kan. He described how strange it felt to be allowed to move around without leg and arm restraints. "It felt awkward," he said. He was surprised to see that at his new facility he was not only given underwear, but he had a T-shirt, shorts, sheets, blankets, a pillow and toiletry items.
Manning testified that this was a "huge upgrade" and he was actually concerned that it was a mistake or miscommunication. Manning got into a verbal and physical altercation with another detainee at Leavenworth, but they were both punished and he has not had any other problems since then.
Overall, Manning testified for more than six hours this afternoon. He was polite, answering sir or ma'am to every question. He rambled at times, clearly unsure how to answer certain questions from his own attorney, and often forgetting names and dates.
We learned a little bit about how he spent his 21 to 23 hours per day in solitary ... he testified that he wasn't allowed to exercise in his cell at Quantico, so he would often "practice various dance moves," calling it "a form of pseudo exercising."
He said he often made faces at himself in the mirror in his cell and played peek a boo with himself, calling the mirror "the most entertaining thing in there." He said he knew he was looking at himself in the mirror, and that he "wasn't seeing anyone else."
Manning acknowledged that he would pretend to lift imaginary weights, calling it strength training, and that he did pretend to have sword fights with himself and that he knew that the guards were watching him.
And he said he prefers non-fiction books and enjoys reading about philosophy and history, but he named John Grisham and Tom Clancy as a couple of his favorite authors.
Court is now in recess. Manning is back in court Friday morning for cross examination from the prosecution.
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Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh...he almost had me in tears. Pretty damn sensitive for a traitor!
Who the hell cares about this POS! It's not worth a conversation.
He "thought about suicide a lot but never acted on it"??? Too bad. Hopefully someone will find a way to help him along.
Bradley- I hope you read this post.
PLEASE do take the honorable way out and commit suicide- stop talking about it and do the world a favor.
YOU and alot of people do not see the big picture of why the US keeps some information from it citizens- because the USA has become so sensitive and CANNOT handle the truth.
Go outside the borders of the USA and the freedoms we enjoy do not exist in alot of other countries.
We do lead a shielded life but pleople like you BRADLEY with your misguided attempts to call it even for what you think is right- is actually incorrect.
Just hang yourself now- I never want to see any story about you except your obituary.
What a bunch of imbeciles. The guy whistle blows on war crimes and look at these comments. With attitudes like that, the US is going the way of Nazi Germany. These very same "anti-government" fools cry when someone within the government exposes crimes committed by the government. I guess it's easier to live in an illusionary world than face reality. Bradley Manning has more courage than all of you cowards.
This is not news!
Awwwwwwwwwww poor little Bradley.
Want me to call you a WAAAAAAAAAAAHMBULANCE?
Your whining is an embarrassment.
Manning has not been convicted or even tried yet, but everybody here wants him to--DIE? How utterly irrational.
If he did leak classified documents to Wikileaks, he did it because his conscience told him there were things the American public needed to know. You don't know whether he committed these leaks--or what he leaked, if he did. You certainly haven't heard his motivation.
But I'll take an educated guess and bet that all or most of you are also joining the witch-hunt against Susan Rice for only saying what the CIA told her to say on TV, so Al-Qaida wouldn't know we were on to them.
This is the definition of an oxymoron. Wait--maybe it's just moronic.
Well Dee you see although its required to have a trial, some people actually have the insight to know this kid is guilty as sin and needs to pay the price that traitors pay even before the verdict is read. Some cases are simply just that easy to read. So I don't think they are morons at all, just people that want justice without needing to know all the hub bub about this kids particular crime first. Nobody really cares about what his misguided little conscience told him to do except the true morons. He's a traitor, we all know it, we all know he needs a trial first, but we also know what happens to traitors and what WILL happen to him in the near future. If you truly need a judge to make the decision before you can form an opinion of your own that he's guilty, then yes consider your self a true moron. So let him spare us the tax dollars and the agony of hearing the news about him every night and the sympathetic morons preaching about his rights and let him alone to do the suicide thing.
Oh and lay off calling these guys angry about what he did morons. Their angry because he put our fellow country men in harms way. You never know, maybe he leaked all your info to Al-Qaida.
And sandman you've got your head buried in it.
An army of principles can penetrate where an army of soldiers cannot. ~ Thomas Paine
For "Manning's "Own Safety" he was stripped naked and forced to stand at attention 16 hours a day 7 days a week.....What is with all of the Government and Wall Street Corporate Media's Supporters Nonsense & Lies.
They admitted they used Solitary Confinement and Sweated Him by Torture (you try standing at attention 16 hours day) and I doubt ANY of you Arm Chair Chicken Hawks would have lasted 3 minutes let alone 3 years without cracking up!
Pressure Put on Manning to Implicate Assange......http://therealnews.com/t2/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=31&Itemid=74&jumival=8806
Only in NEO America can your "Torture a Person" for 3 years then put them on Trial....Now that the "Election" has passed they are being "allowed" to proceed forward.
Always remember America whatever happens "We The People" allowed POMPUS Obama to "Torture an American Citizen" without Trial against US & International Law and some of you are the worst of the bunch.
Impeach Obama for Torture, the Cover Up of Murder of Americans and for running his very own Secret CIA Prison in Benghazi-Gate!
He that would make his own liberty secure, must guard even his enemy from oppression; for if he violates this duty, he establishes a precedent that will reach to himself. ~Thomas Paine
Lock this bastard up and throw away the key.
CK no way because then we would be paying forever..... Trators are HUNG by the Neck until DEAD.....
Well, I would probably want to kill myself if I broke my oath, violated the laws, and gave my country's classified documents to a narcissistic megalomaniac. I'm really having a hard time thinking that his treatment has been cruel. It seems that he's been treated with more restraint than he's ever had as a person.
Too bad he only considered....
If you wish harm on to him I wish evil upon to you all....
PLAYA.....
The comments on this story are so predictable it's almost terrifying. I wonder if any of you have ever stuck your neck out and did something driven by your conscience? It's the easiest thing in the world to always do as your told, to see the bad guys as they are defined for you and the good guys as they've been shown to you. This isn't critical thinking--it's conditioning. It's the kind of conditioning that makes you either FauxNews or MSNBC...nothing more, nothing in between, black or white.
You all are no better than a lynch mob. Instead of being troubled over some of the intelligence that was revealed, you beat on the messenger who enriched your knowledge of your own country and government, a govt that was operating in your name and doing all sorts of things, many against your own interests.
Well, they tortured Manning, but, you know, he didn't break down. They were hoping he'd implicate Assange so that they could make a case against him. He may be stronger than you think.
I'm for a transparent govt not a secretive one.
isnt raising your hand to defend the constitution then not doing that the act of a traitor also?
Cutting to the heart of what he said in the article, he was stressed that he wasn't told each step of the way what was going to happen to him and that is torture. Don't they train people in the military anymore about dealing with the possibility of being a POW? Or even of the isolation that one can feel being so far away from the creature comforts of family, friends and the local pub?
Oh, and what he did wasn't being a whistle-blower, it was TREASON!
Witchhunter,
In answer to your question; yes, we do teach SERE in the Army. Though the class is highly watered down, and instructs us what we do and do not do. The expectations that are placed on us. The "Soldier Creed" also mentions what we are expected to do, but unless you are going through Infantry training, Ranger or Special Forces you are not going to get the full treatment.
For Manning, who was a desk jocky, he would have received the yearly briefings, but would not have gone through any practical exercises that might have let him experience encarceration at any level.
That said, I still don't have any level of sympathy for Manning, even though he hasn't actually gone before a Courts Martial.
MUW...nowhere does anyone say he was forced to stand at attention 16 hours a day 7 days a week, and his version of torture is being in a cell, oh well to bad. What did he expect, his own apartment and room service. He's a traitor, no other way to put it. If he doesn't like the treatment he shouldn't have done the crime.
It's disgusting that half of this page consists of people who would wish for him to die.
I thought we were better than that as Americans.
Oh, boo hoo hoo!! Put this scumbag out of his misery. He put thousands of dedicated people in harm's way by his traitorous actions and he should pay the ultimate price for it. Hanging is too good for him.
For the record, it is the document release that in part brought to light the treacheries committed by the US against unarmed Iraqi civilians. This contributed to an earlier end to the war. How is that traitorous? Unlike you, some people can see a bigger picture here. While I do not condone the document release, there is a path of moral righteousness, and the US was not following it. What's more - the security policies in place for safeguarding document access were rather pathetic or non-existent.
Secondly, he hasn't had a trial yet, but has already served a lot of time. Innocent until proven guilty, remember?
AB (airman basic)?
The "path" you are talking about is secrets not privy to the common town idiot.
And trial or not, he admitted to his traitorous deeds.
And yes, the security was lax.
Problem is, you should not have to watch over a punk kid who swore allegiance to his country.
And wikkijerks have no right to try and pry.
AB-1981 I guess all the people in the twin towers were Muslim combatants. The U.S has gone to the extreme in trying to avoid killing innocent civilians. If you don't understand that, then you are a complete moron. Your problem is you can't see the forest for the trees. If you think the United States is the agressor in the war on terror, then get your sorry ass out of it and go live in in Iraq or Iran or where ever else you may want to. My grandfather fought to defend this country. My father and uncles fought to defend and so did I so if you believe we are the nation at fault, get the F**K out of it you bleedin' heart piece of S**T.
@Wileywillie69, your grandfather may have been a patriot, but you're certified insane. Do you actually have something real to speak for about yourself, or are you just going to take credit for all your ancestors? The US created the Taliban. The US created the Iranian mess decades ago. The US needlessly meddles in other countries and it's no surprise that it's in trouble with terrorism. The Iraq war was a wholly illegal war. As for 9/11, it succeeded only because the FBI and the Bush administration were wholly incompetent despite having received multiple warnings.
There is significant documented evidence of the atrocities that the US committed in Iraq, as documented by the US itself. There's nothing more dangerous than a blind patriot.
If there is someone who you want to hang, it should begin with Bush and Cheney. They are the ones tho led to thousands of American lives wasted in Iraq. Let me hear it. And then let's talk about Bradley Manning.
God forbid anyone dare peek in our filthy unmentionables and live to tell about it. No wonder our country is rotting from within. We punish and vilify those who attempt to clean it up.
And btw Wileywillie, please cite who were the "thousands of people" put in harms way and exactly how they were harmed. Otherwise, all you've offered are your flapping gums.
AB1981:
If you don't mind, I'd like to add: There's nothing more dangerous than a deaf, dumb and blind patriot.
Deborah you sound just like the smug government us Patriots ousted out of this country a little over a couple hundred years ago. Proof that yes we are dangerous to your way of thinking.
So keoni, sounds as if you have a problem with working for and striving for an honest, accountable and well behaved government.
In case you need a reminder, good eventually wins over evil.
No I have a problem with people like you that defend people that wish to hurt my fellow countrymen.
So much for innocent 'til proven guilty. Seems many of you here want to string up Manning before his trial....well this is the kind of American perversion of justice he was seeking to uncover. And that's the American way, to protest and air grievances against the government...or can't you REAL Americans see that?
He's definitely a scape goat here.
Dan,
You obviously aren't familiar with the military court system, so don't speak of what you don't know. Please.
Manning has not stood before a Courts Martial, but he is by NO means considered innocent. He took an oath, was briefed on Code of Conduct, and he chose to ignore both. As long as we wear the uniform we are not accorded the same considerations you are as a civilian. Yes, we volunteer, but we also are made aware of the requirements that are placed on us. Just as members of the intellegence houses within the law enforcement communities, there is no expectation of "innocent until proven guilty". The evidence has pointed to Manning as having released the documents to WIKI, and his task now is to prove he didn't, or give the powers that be a reason he did it, that does not support Treason.
AB,
You are a case. First of all, I would like to say, some of what you say has credit. Like, Bush, Rumsfeld, Cheney and Karl Rove should stand trial for treason, right along side Manning. They should stand trial for a number of reasons, none of which have to do with the same issues that Manning is to be tried for.
Whether you agree with our envolvement in Iraq, you need to understand the policies the administration had enacted concerning what we call EOF or Escalation of Force during that time. Much of what was released to WIKI by Manning had little to do with any violations or improper conduct by the US there.
From my "non-uniform" opinion, I agree that we should never have gone into Iraq. But, what we did there was good. We freed the Iraqis from the Hussein dictatorship that had terrorized the average Iraqis for decades. The Ba'athist were the "privilaged" cast in Iraq, who could do anything they wanted to the Shia and the Kurds or Christians living there. Whether Maliki and the current government will hand that country over to Iran is up to them and no longer our concern. We never received the promised oil contracts that Bush told us about, so our war effort there is coming out of the taxpayer's pockets-over $6 Trillion worth. Most of it going into Halliburton's pockets. Then there is the question of who was responsible for the falsefied intellegence documentation that was used to persuade the COALITION to invade Iraq in the first place.
Back to Manning, he was given a Security clearance, and part of the responsibility of that privilage is that he knows what is and is NOT Operational Security Violations. By releasing privilaged documentation, he violated his oath as well as the conditions of his clearance. What he released DID NOT end the war early, as you said. Bush did that in 2003, when he stood on a carrier in California and announced it. Wearing a flight suit he lost the right to wear when he lost his flight status with the Texas Air National Guard, I might add.
True, but do you really think he had the time to cherry pick the deplorable information, which was brought to the attention of his superiors and ignored?
On December 15, 2011 the United States military officially declared an end to the war in Iraq, so I assume your statement was made with sarcasm.
As an American citizen and taxpayer, it is highly concerning to fund a military whose policy is "What happens in the military, stays in the military".
keoni:
Unless you have factual information of any of your "fellow countrymen" being hurt, please, stop with the wimpy dramatics. It's unbecoming.
Debi, can you supply any factual information that no one was put at risk? Probably not. The fact is that he released thousands of documents, and there is no way possible, in my mind, that he attempted to read each and every one to determine that he wouldn't put lives at risk. Top secret documents are classified that way for a reason. You may not like or agree with those reasons, but thats the way it is. IF he had put someone at risk, and that person lost thier life becouse of his actions, would you still defend him? Since you have no idea what kind of harm he may have caused to this country, or to assests that risk thier lives for this country, at least in some cases, what he did was completely irresponsible, and illegal.
No, because you can't prove a negative.
He should be scared and he should be treated worse.
He and his "Wikileaks" ass holes are traitors to the entire world.
I can't wait for a "counter wikileaks" that leaks the smut on these poptart eating, Mountaindew swilling, pimpled faced jerks.
If I looked like him I would commit suicide!! Typical A-Hole sells out his Country and now he is the victim. Hey Bradley, Try harder next time.
Poor baby. Hope it's only the beginning for him.
And the court wasted a day listening to his whining about the life he chose because?
boo hoo you little traitor.
If he had any gonads (which he doesn't), he would have hung himself and saved the government a ton of time and money. He gave aid and comfort to the enemy. Anything he gets beyond a cigarette and a blindfold are benefits this maggot doesn't deserve.
And what of all the money we've given to Iraq and Afghanistan and Pakistan (you know, where bin Laden was hiding) for "aid" or "reconstruction" or "humanitarian purposes"?
We (the United States), through our government, have given more aid and comfort to any of our enemies than this kid ever did. You do realize that the US
iswas (maybe, we still are) the biggest funding and military support service of al qaeda? We used them to fight the Soviets in Afghanistan. Where do you think they got Stinger missiles? Charlie Wilson and the CIA provided them to the Afghanis to fight against the HINDs helicopters that were mining the Afghan countryside. It was the only personal weapon capable of taking on those choppers.The other thing is, does anybody here remember the lessons learned from the Trials at Nuremberg? The defense of "just following orders" was found to be an invalid one when a "greater good" was at stake. This kid may have felt that a "greater good" was to be achieved by releasing (assuming he did) the documents.
Oh Thomas. Shame, shame, you liberals getting your info from movies again. Dig a little deeper guy. Here's a start and much closer to the truth. The Stinger missiles went to the Mujahedeen to fight the Soviets, about 3600 of them up until about 1988. Granted some had survived and found their way into the hands of Al-Qaida after the Soviet withdrawal but the CIA was still in country and trying to buy them all back in fear of the Stingers falling into the wrong hands such as the terrorists groups like Al-Qaida. Unfortunately the money coming from the U.S. wasn't nearly enough to have much of an impact. Shortly after the Communist backed government fell in 1992 You liberals hero Bill Clinton and his regime decided they didn't need to do anymore funding in Afghanistan and pulled the plug on the little support money the CIA was receiving to control the stray missile issue. In a nut shell there you have it. Al-Qaida's rise to power was largely due to Clintons failure to recognize the issue the CIA warned him about.
wow, I can ignore your hateful comments, keoni, but you cannot have your own facts. Reagan cut off Afghanistan shortly after driving out the Russians, after providing millions in weapons, he wouldn't so much as build a school there. You can live in your bubble, but blame Clinton for the Balkans, Somalia and Rwanda, not Afghanistan.
I'm more of a Libertarian, thank you very much.
al qaeda wasn't originally a "terrorist group" as we see it today (at least not to us), it literally was "the list". There was no way of knowing where the Mujahadeen fighters were at, and so al qaeda was formed to be able to let those back home know where their loved ones were fighting.
Keoni,
The article also goes on to say that a large number of the missiles were supplied to Pakistan, who supplied it to the rebels in Afghanistan.
You should also know that if what you say is true there would have been terror attacks using Stingers. There aren't any.
Per Wikipedia:
Charles "Charlie" Nesbitt Wilson (June 1, 1933 – February 10, 2010) was a United States naval officer and former 12-term Democratic United States Representative from Texas's 2nd congressional district.
Wilson is best known for leading Congress into supporting Operation Cyclone, the largest-ever Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) covert operation which, under the Reagan administration, supplied military equipment including anti-aircraft weapons such as Stinger antiaircraft missiles and paramilitary officers from their Special Activities Division to the Afghan Mujahideen during the Soviet war in Afghanistan. His behind-the-scenes campaign was the subject of the non-fiction book Charlie Wilson's War by George Crile and a subsequent film adaptation starring Tom Hanks as Wilson.
Too bad he did not have the balls to do it. It would have saved a lot of time and money. But do not worry as a good military tribunal should sentence him to death by firing squad. Get ready to die traitor. You had no remorse for the peoples lives you endangered and were later killed so do not expect anyone to have pity for you.
Larry:
If you've got the balls, identify the peoples' lives who were in danger and were later killed.
Otherwise, all you've got are tiny, little flapping gums.
So who exactly did he put in danger or get killed?
Can you find that for me?
Ranman87 - the problem with your question is there is no clear answer. How many people were dragged into a back room and beaten for helping the US? How many people lost their contacts and information? How many people could have been saved that weren't? The answer to your question will never be known, but you can safely bet that he caused more problems then he could ever solve.
He is nothing but an attention seeking, spoiled brat who should have never been in the position he was to start with.
We could say that about alot of people involved in our government who have a potential impact on our country, including presidents, but they don't get tortured and imprisoned.
Michael:
Since when has the United States been concerned for the safety of the innocents? Drone attacks killing civilians? Nah.
Please let this patriot with a conscious out for his right for free expression of his opinions. Anything less is a travesty. Sad, that our country makes patriots out of folks who kill innocents. I applaud this young man and I hope he can see my post!
Woosie to Woosie secret coded message.
He is not a patriot. Granted, he took the same oath I did, but apparently to him it was just meaningless words. He broke his oath to uphold the constitution and to protect his countries against all enemies foreign and domestic. He certianly put countless people in harms way. He may have also caused the deaths of people that we will never hear about, just so you can satisfy your curiosity. He was not under duress when he did it. Nobody threatened him to do it. He simply stole his countries secrets and caused damage that you and I will never understand the full implications of. He is the travesty.
If he truly had one piece of information that he felt should come out, then perhaps, in an isolated incident his actions may have been excusable. Maybe. But he released just as just information as he could get his hands on. This wasn't somebody who was whistle blowing, this was somebody looking to gain notoriety.
Michael:
Did you actually read any of the documents? Did you know American officials were aware American contractors (paid by the U.S. taxpayers) were contributing to Afghanistan men's parties called Bacha Bazi, where young Afghanistan boys were employed to dance, entertain and have sex with the men, and the American officials did nothing? http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/dancingboys/
Or how about the crew of an Apache helicopter firing on, and then killing civilians, including a reporter, and then laughing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6OTb5xeFHU
Maybe, but so has our own government, but probably on a much larger scale, which we will never hear about. Why is it he is the only one being singled out to be tortured and imprisoned?
The info supplied by Wiikileaks was instrumental in the first protest in Tunisia that sparked the Arab Spring and overthrew longstanding dictators, some supported by the US and some not. Much more effective and incrediblly less costly in people and money that Bush's War in Iraq. Manning is not a traitor, but a hero.
FREE MANNING AND ASSANGE
SCREW them both.
They are traitors to the entire world.
I guess we disagree 'cause the way i see it, Bush and the republicans who started the Iraq war are the traitors who should be tried for treason.
Larry:
If you've got the balls, identify the peoples lives who were in danger and were later killed.
Otherwise, all you've got are flapping gums.
Aren't you guys late for a occupy something somewhere? Why are you wasting time here!! Get out there and spread your message to the mass's. Geezzzz. And if YOU had any ball's you would not wear black hoods over your heads while you are " Defending freedom" or whatever BS agenda you have. Now go take some more LSD/Bath salts and eat each other's face's off.
Jesus love's you.
So much for free speech, huh, Richard C?
Isn't the internet a much warmer and cozier way of spreading the message than sitting out on some rainy street?
The nice thing about defending freedom is it's not necessary nor required to wear any black hoods.
Max / Are you the Walrus?
I do believe that is what we both are expressing.
Debi,
You got to admit, Eating each others face off is a great line, Right, I'am I right?
I think it's a line only Hannibal Lector could love. Lol
Hey that give's me an idea. " Occupy Hannibal Lector's house" Wait Damm he's not real. Never mind.
I don't know, he was wrong on releasing classified information. The way I see it. He should have two other people in his cell for invading a country that didn't invade us. But hey, that's just my feelings. Guess it was good for our arm sales companies and Hallibuton contractors. US arms sales are making billions selling Iraq planes, radar systems, missiles and weapons. Killing the leader that hated Iran haves a few questions.
Daniel Ellsberg released classified info, too, but it helped stop the Vietnam debacle. I believe they tried him and failed. He was awarded the "Right Livelihood Award" in 2006. Manning will be seen as a hero 50 years from now.
deb:
He also attempted to notify his superiors of the atrocities being committed by Americans, and they just ignored it.
Have you seen the video released of our men in an Apache helicopter shooting and killing civilians while laughing? That's not war; it's madness.
Debi-1314897 - Assuming you are a US citizen, do you realize that by admitting to having viewed said video, if it came from the leak, that you have also committed treason? Just because he stole it and released it doesn't give you the right to look at it. It actually makes you just as guilty.
So, who did he hurt? Well, he hurt you, because you just broke the law, whether you meant to or not.
Michael--so much for honesty and patriotism. Treason to object to our murdering civilians from a helicopter while laughing?
You are part of the problem--not the solution.
I have not viewed the video, so I can not make any comments on it.
If you viewed the video, then you are guilty of treason. Like it or not you have broken the law and deserve whatever punishment you get. Just like the person who provided the video to you. You are both equally guilty since you both knowingly participated in the crime.
So you and the rest of the reality tv crowd are the problem, not just a part of it.
WRONG! I never watch reality tv!
Treason this! And the Nazis would have been guilty of treason for not killing Jews in concentration camps. Maybe YOU need a dose of reality yourself, Mr. Michael!
Well Michael, I guess since I viewed the forbidden video, maybe my punishment will be to burn my eyes out.
Btw, millions of people will have to be punished along with me since this video was aired on a program called "Frontline", when they did a piece on Wikileaks.
At any rate, I could care less what you watch on television. The fact remains that viewing any of the content from the leak makes the person who viewed the content just as guilty as the person who leaked the information.
My problem with Manning is he didn't just release the video that everybody talks about. If he had left it at that, then he probably should be considered with higher regard. Instead, he grabbed every bit of information that he could and dumped it. So, it wasn't "whistle blowing." If anything that part of it was an accident on his part. I do not know what his motives were, but his actions show that they were not pure.
If you don't know what his motives were, how do you know his actions weren't pure?
What was he expected to do; sit there and read through thousands of pages of documents and only download the ones he thought pertinent? When Daniel Ellsberg released the Pentagon Papers, he released everything so the whole picture, and not tainted, could be seen.
I paid for those wars, and I have a right to know when mistakes are made and money misspent.
Debi-1314897 - I only hope that "Frontline" had permission to use it. Otherwise they are technically guilty as well. Luckily, if the viewers didn't know, they are not.
Think of it this way. If somebody goes out and steals a car stereo and sells it to a pawnshop that doesn't know it was stolen, then just the thief is guilty. If the pawnshop knows that it is stolen, then the shop is guilty as well.
I will admit, I was certainly curious when I heard about the leaked information. I even found the torrent file that would have allowed me to download the massive 5+GB of data. But then I realized that would be wrong, so I didn't.
Maxwell's Silver Hammer -The NAZI argument is non sequitur, so I will not address it.
It can be disheartening, although not surprising, how whistleblowers exposing corruption are treated.
You guys have been drinking the gov't cool aid! Exposing this out of control military
complex and the destruction of other countries for defending themselves against
the US invasions of bringing war and building military bases in their countries
just to steal and control their resources needs to be exposed for what it is! That’s
what we do in the US under the meaningless terms “spreading Democracy”! Phuck
over third world defenseless countries that live in dirt and have no fresh
water and back their dictators! Put the shoe on the other foot. What if we were living life here like they do and
then China drops in and builds a military base in every state! You don't think
you would fight against them! We would be called the Taliban in China news
papers! They are just “spreading Taoism and Buddhism”! Love thy brother BS! Here
suck on the end of this barrel and bend over innocent US citizens! We're here to control you!
fight us and you will die! The US is the bullies of this world! I thought bullies where a bad thing in schools?
Americans need to know the truth about war, but he took an oath. It's not like any of that material saved the lives of innocent people in imminent danger. It only confirmed what most people already knew, or surmised to be true. Plus, reports of civilians being killed by U.S. forces already circulate in the news.
He threw away his freedom for nothing.
Regardless of where you stand on his actions, treating him like an animal,and that before he has been convicted by any court, is right out of the dark ages.
Come on! Being treated like and animal is relative to that animals treatment to begin with. If Barbra Streisand had to stay at a motel 6 she would say THAT was being treated like an animal. So I can't hear being treated like an animal as a serious plea for help.
In short, He is a dumb A$$ he should of thought of the consequences of his action's BEFORE he did what he did.
Bradley, You should try suicide one more time. Or face a life of continual rape by your new room mates for the rest of your life. Good luck!
Hopefully he just commits suicide.
It's better to be dead than to spend life in a small room. It's vulgarly disgusting to read "keeping him confined "for his own safety". If you're locked away, you're already as good as dead.
There is no F***ing point in keeping someone locked in a cell, if you want them dead then if they kill themselves they will have taken care of it for you, If you intend on keeping them locked up forever (as much of a waste of money and resources that would be) then just let them kill themselves.
Where do we need to send the rope?
uhh... don't you get it? he can't do it because they won't let him.
"Suicide prevention" brought to you by people who's minds still have the thinking capacity of a cave man
O.K. Seriously, is this a story to make us feel sorry for this pile of Sh*t? Rot in hell you traitor.
Look up article 3 section 3 of the United States Constitution and you will find the definition of treason. (Hint: this ain't it.)
He gave aid and comfort to the enemy. How is it not? It is not like he just gathered together all of us loyal Americans and told us all in private. No, he shared it with the entire world. Believe it or not, some of those people in the world do not like us. I know, that is hard for you to comprehend, but it is true.
Michael: " Believe it or not, some of those people in the world do not like us. I know, that is hard for you to comprehend, but it is true."
Actually, um, no...after reading many of the nasty posts here it is NOT hard at all "to comprehend that some people in the world would not like us." I admit I sometimes have a hard time liking us when I read such disgraceful, hateful wickedness masquerading as patriotic righteousness.
Maxwell's Silver Hammer - I agree with you. Many of what the people here are saying has been nasty. If this man is found innocent, then he should receive a heartfelt apology. If not, then he knew the consequences of his actions. UCMJ is covered during basic training.
Exactly what "aid and comfort" did he give to the enemy? The fact that we're not always for truth, justice and the American way like we claim to be?
No new newsflash there; thus the reason we have so many enemies.
Well, the video alone can be used as a recruiting tool to attract even more people who would like to walk through our cities and blow themselves up. (That was just off the top of my head with 2 seconds of thought. I am sure that there are many more examples.) Have you seen the videos from the terrorist training camps? That will scare you.
That's not what the Constitution means when it says "aid and comfort." Courts have ruled quite clearly on this.
Michael:
I choose not to live my life in fear. All living in fear accomplishes is loss of your own power.
Tolstoy...he is not being charged and tried under the Constitution. It's by the UCMJ. Those are the laws he violated. The military is not a Democracy, it can't be by it's very nature. He knew that, he volunteered for it, he accepted it when he swore that oath. He gets what he deserves. He is by no stretch a "hero". To say that about him, in my opinion, is to disparage and denegrate our military, who I believe are the real heros. If all he did was to release one or two items that he came across and felt strongly about, I MIGHT be willing to cut him some slack. But he didn't. He released everything he could, appearently with no thought whatsoever about what kind of damage it might cause. Thats not being a hero, thats being stupid and irresponsible.
littlelizard:
As long as we have differences about how a military is allowed to conduct themselves, you being a hawk and me being a humanitarian, we will never be able to agree on situations such as Manning.
A military's purpose should be to defend itself from invaders; not to bully, murder, rape, pillage and exploit others resources at will without its country's oversight. As I stated previously, the military's policy of "what happens in the military, stays in the military" is made for abuse. Hawks seem to be accepting and perfectly fine with that ugliness of mankind and constitute its justification utilizing self supporting, sovereign rules.
Yeah! Who wants to hear the TRUTH! We just want to sit back and be told what the truth is while we watch our football games and reality shows while stuffing our fat asses with genetically modified foods while simultaneously being bought and sold for every consumer product out there. There is a bigger picture out there- and most of you have on your blinders. You can spew your tirades about Manning and Wikileaks all you want, but they did accomplish one thing... and that was reveal the truth- which is a hard thing to come by these days. And yeah I love my country, and empathize with the soldiers who go to war... but I also believe in justice and morals and values and human rights for everyone not just people in the US. Yes this country can and has done great things, but we have done heinous things as well. We are approaching a militarized state of living now... and we are supposed to just accept that we will be under surveillance at all times or tracked with RFID chips or be treated as criminals as we go through TSA lines, or have our Civil rights and privacy taken away by a corporate run government which has proven to be corrupt time and time again. But we as Americans keep taking it... through all the recessions, and tax hikes, and security mandates, and constitutional changes, and scandals, etc. etc. We need to wake up! Everyone should watch the movie "Network" and get a clue. "I want you to get mad!" "I am a human being Godd@#$it! My Life has value!" There is no black or white...just shades of gray and I'm not talking 50.
If every other nation in the world agrees to give up their secrets and make everything transparent then by all means, we should too. Until that happy day arrives and we can all live in harmony then we must keep our secrets. There is no other way to keep our own people somewhat safe.
Hey Bradley sucks to be you. I hope you get life for your treachery! To bad you couldn't man up and end your life but you would probably mess that up too.
uhh... don't you get it? he can't do it because they won't let him.
"Suicide prevention" brought to you by people who's minds still have the thinking capacity of a cave man
and apparently you fit the category of caveman for missing the fact that they won't let him kill himself, blame them for him still being alive genius ^^
Yeah I get it and I understand more than you.
Clearly not ^^ U mad?
I'm not mad but if he really wanted to end it he would find a way and stop with this affair.
Guess you missed out on the article reading that he is in maximum level confinements and restraints, unless you can explain how someone could possibly commit suicide while in the conditions that they reported to have him in "suicide smock, restraints, no clotes, near closet sized cell" then stop complaining and blame the people who are keeping him alive by force.
He could Bash his head on the cell walls inmates have done this before knock them selves cold; jump off the tier do a swan dive break his damn neck! I have been keeping up with this story and if he is moved to a different facility I hope he does have the gall to try something else.. My complaint is not with the people who are keeping him alive its him and his @!$%#ing lawyers. Go troll somewhere else.
Yep, you're definitely mad, and complaining alot ^^
random--you are so correct! I'd really love to see some of these posters in Manning's shoes--I doubt they'd be able to stay sane--well, actually, since so many already sound insane--maybe it WOULD help to make them saner.
Things that make me go "hmmmmmmmmmm..." ;^)
Maybe you guys can be his pen pal since you care for him so much. Never would be in his shoes when I served never sold out my country like this little Chi Boy did.
My my what a little "patriot" you must be, so defensive ^^
Like I said maybe you can be his pen pal. What have you done for this nation thought SO! So many of your types here think this guy is freaking hero why don't you troll elsewhere obviously you don't know any better.
Like i said, you should try less complaining and more common sense ^^
Can't answer the question typical liberal POS!
U still mad?
Nope but your still irrelevant.
Yea you seem pretty steamed
Go buddy hustle somewhere else REMF!
U still mad?
Just give the little prick a fair trial and then shoot him....
Just shoot him and then give him a fair burial.
And these two morons are examples of why I really hate this god damn country and the stupidity of its citizenry now.
Leave, Nobodies making you stay, Unless you are typing this from a prison cell. I would definably not stay somewhere I hated.
Ranman87 - Goodbye
Moron alert!
Ranman87 - For some reason my previous post was truncated.
What I had meant to say was "We all must find a way to live together. It would be great if we could do it without secrecy. Until then, calling each other names and ignoring other people ideas is not a way towards that end. If we are to live in harmoniously, then we need to start by actually listening to each other. Otherwise, we are all going to have a great big Goodbye."
Wow, alot of Patriots here! "Patriotism...the last refuge of the scoundrel." Samual Adams (for you illiterates he was one of our founding fathers).
Never heard of Samual Adams and even though I'm supposedly illiterate, I have hear of Samuel Adams. Was Samual Adams Samuel Adam's homosexual brother; therefore pertinent to the conversation?
Obviously not one of the illiterates, just one of the patriots!.
;^) Too true, Logos!
He should have committed suicide when he was 10.
I agree with "Jay"..... zip-tie him to a live-fire popup target at Ft Bliss or Ft Hood and let military justice be served !!!!