"Mom, I need extra lunch money this week."

I'm all for sexual freedom between consenting adults, but this bit was a bit of an eye-roller:

More important, its founder told the newspaper, speaking under the pseudonym "Michael," is that the move bestows "the fact of legitimacy."

If "Michael" needs to be "Michael" instead of whatever his real name is, doesn't this sort of diminish or even negate whatever legitimacy he was seeking for this club? If it's such a great thing to have, why does he need to hide his real identity when associating with it?

I WENT to Columbia...and this is the first I've heard of an open BDSM group.

Cassandra,

Is your real name Barry Soetera?

Hmmm. Sounds like Harvard students have a lot of free time on their hands these days.

Not really, it looks like they are all tied up.

Many people have a huge misconception about what D/s is actually about. Yes there is kink involved for many...but D/s ...Domination and submission are about so much more than kink and sex. It is about a relationship where there is great trust, honesty, respect, growth, learning, passion, etc. It harkens back to older times when the man had the control and the woman gladly gave up the control. It is about a woman being able to be that soft, tender, vulnerable girl deep inside...for a man she adores AND trusts implicitly...it is not about abuse...at least not when it is part of a healthy relationship. On the contrary it is about ultimate trust. A girl who is submissive to a man isn't treated like crap...on the contrary he takes great pride in her...he may hurt her (if they both enjoy that) but he will never harm her. There is so much MORE to D/s than people realize...and for the record....50 Shades of Grey and The Secretary have NOTHING to do with a healthy, happy and fulfilling D/s relationhip.

Lesson 1:

Masochist: "Hurt me!"

Sadist: "No!"

People who need BDSM to spice up their life, clearly have no mojo in the sack. Either that or they have subconscious low self esteem, and need this to create a phony persona. And then there are all the mentally ill ones.

When two people are 100% in tune with each other's bodies and minds, stuff like this is not an upsell - it would only be a distraction.

LJ Rhodes you are too smart for the panel...kindly step aside so morons can print serious responses to this very important matter, and I can laugh my head off reading them. If we have idiots in our society, idiots in our press and idiots among our readers, responders and voters...we will have a balanced society.

Have you not heard the quote: "Take a drag, take a drink, have a babe in a mink, then got to war and sink to help our society evolve and think!"

Mr. Rhodes you are too intelligent for America...please migrate or do not become a citizen.

@TZ

"that soft, tender, vulnerable girl deep inside...for a man she adores AND trusts implicitly..."

It sounds more like you are describing somebodies perverted statutory rape fantasy. Or possible creepy father/daughter taboo fetish. Trust me, I know someone who owned a nightclub that once a week ran nights geared toward you - half of the business world exploits you for your antics, the whole real world just laughs at you. It is nothing more than a childish charade.

tz,

"...Domination and submission are about so much more than kink and sex. It is about a relationship where there is great trust, honesty, respect, growth, learning, passion, etc."

Great trust, honesty, respect, growth?!!!! If you're attending harvard then the admission level has gone WAAAAAY WAAAAAY down!

And here I thought college was education and learning...ooops...guess they are learning. And I thought the "birds and bees" were taught much earlier than college. Guess since it's BDSM, it must be an upper division class...Sex-BDSM 402.

Dr. MS,

While I appreciate your open concurrence that I'm brilliant, I'm already well aware that I am. Best to stick to commenting on the story, rather than on the commentators. ;)

So...you are commenting on a commentator's comment on your comment to suggest no more comment on your comment? Correct?

Lets try another strategy? What is your pink upside down triangle mean? Is that gay rights for queens, or you like pink triangles?

No need to comment on my comment to your comment to my comment....if you don't want to. :))

But keep up the intelligent analysis on craziness of our society, and the world

Les Miserable Rise

Lighten up already. So what if people enjoy this sort of thing? What skin is it off your nose? I always thought BDSM sounded like fun. It's just role play, albeit of a more intimate nature than most. I've never had the guts to try it, but I don't look down on those who do. The important thing is that it be consensual.

tz, explain all the guys that like to be whipped by a dominatrix....

As a Sadist I wear a George Bush face mask and repeatedly tell people that all is OK and do not pay attention to Dick Cheney behind the curtain in his leather with Whip and Chains.

...the group says it dedicates itself to 'the full exploration of BDSM, both in its sexual and spiritual aspects...

BDSM has a spiritual component- really!?

@L.J. Rhodes: If "Michael" needs to be "Michael" instead of whatever his real name is, doesn't this sort of diminish or even negate whatever legitimacy he was seeking for this club? If it's such a great thing to have, why does he need to hide his real identity when associating with it?

So, are your comments also negated or diminished since you also conceal your identity? Is "Michael" no longer afforded his, or her, rights to privacy the same as you are? Perhaps they concealed their true name since in many states BDSM is considered against the law and they did not want to be prosecuted? I suppose that when the news media quotes "an unnamed source close to the investigation" you also negate and diminish that information?

Just because someone chooses to protect their privacy when speaking with the national media does not negate what they have to say. Just as you chose to hide behind your initials (if they really are your initials), they chose to protect their privacy.

I agree with all of you. I have been doing this to the American people for a long time and I enjoy it VERY MUCH!!!

After college I realized that the only way I could find similar activities was in American Politics!! Where else could I find someone named John Boehner who is required to play with me?!!

One would think having to write out the tuition check would be masochistic enough.

And when one of these students gets seriously hurt or dead in one of these clubs, are the colleges prepared to defend the lawsuits?

Mimi, the club meets to simply discuss BDSM. They are not performing anything.

Misscreant -

That's what they are supposed to do.

They are young and healthy. How long do you think it's going to take them to go from discussing it to acting on it?

I'm not saying as a complete group, but certainly some will. As a sanctioned school group, there will be repercussions if someone takes the discussions to actions, and actions go too far.

Just an observation of the "nothing is my fault" generation, and the parents who raised them.

Agreed Scremin...This group has nothing to do with education. Why can't they meet off campus? Why involve any university in S&M? What happens in the privacy of ones bedroom between consenting adults is none of my business and of no interest to me. What happens on our university campuses is everybody's business. This is embarrassing....WTH happened to the debate club?

"....Harvard becomes latest college to accept BDSM club"

Hmm, I thought Harvard College WAS a BDSM club?

The group will most likely be meeting in a conference room, or other public area. Nothing can happen at the meetings. If members decide to take things elsewhere to act on what has been discussed, that is no longer under the purview of Harvard, and they are no more liable than if any other student has sex on or off campus.

It actually does have something to do with education. See, most people will experience kink in their lives, but they won't address it, rather, they will repress it. They think it's dirty, immoral, or means there's something wrong with them. It doesn't. A RACK exists to help people come to terms with this. Sexual education is incredibly clinical, and in a lot of places, outlawed in favor of "abstinence only" programs, where kids are taught that sex is only sex as long is it is penis in vagina. But a RACK exists to help people come to terms with things they don't understand because they are shunned by folks like those who have negatively commented on this club. Yes, some people will use it as a means to hook up. But then again, if the person in question wants to whip another person, wouldn't you rather that other person be consenting and want to be whipped? Now these two people can go enjoy what they enjoy together, behind closed doors, out of your business. And as far as education, at the ages of 18-26 or so, aren't we learning as much about ourselves as we are the world? Becoming the men and women of the next leading generation? Wouldn't you rather these people be psychologically well balanced and aware of themselves, their desires, and be aware that they are not alone, and therefore not repressed?

And I've hammered this point in posts way down on the bottom, but seriously, why does everyone just immediately jump into rape, pedophilia, S&M with blood and torture...oh wait, the media, right. We all think BDSM is just Hostel. It isn't. Kink is pretty much any consensual thing other than a man and a woman having vaginal intercourse. Blowjobs fall under the realm of kink. Threesomes do. Being attracted to feet. Being attracted to tall people, to short people, to hairy armpits, to hairy toes, to anything that falls outside of what hollywood tells you is beautiful. Older women, older men. These things are often just accepted in society, but RACK exists to let you know that it's okay to be attracted to these things. And when the more extreme circumstances come up, like rape, or pedophilia, then it exists to help you find outlets, direct you towards professional help if need be, and PREVENT you from acting on something with someone who does not consent, or understand, or enjoy.

I suppose you folks who are against this club are also against schools providing condoms to students.

Dr. MS,

The pink triangle means I'm a man who loves the cock. Really loves it. Can't get enough of it. That answer your question, sweet cheeks?

"Ow! Muffy!!"

"Ow! Brad!"

UC Berkeley has too many smart serious students to pursue this kind of crap, and USC has too many dumb undergraduates to think about these complex issues. They are busy trying to get bit parts in cheap sitcoms.

Graduate students in both these universities are the ones who are doing anything sensible anywhere in the US! They are underpaid, over worked and are invisible.

dr. ms,

Can you spot your own logic failure in what you said?

There's and extra lab fee for that.

Too bad they're not actually kids anymore and you don't have any control or say-so over what they do as an 18+.

If you're pulling the purse strings I suppose you can hold that over their head as a threat, but not much else.

I guarantee you that any college-age student these days isn't that "impressible" [sic] and already knows what BDSM is.

Something is really wrong here. Why does a college affiliate itself with this psychotic BS?

BDSM is not psychotic.

It's just another source of self-expression of consenting adults.

Remember, if you want to live in a free country, you have to accept other's feelings.

I bet there have been more injuries and deaths associated with the Greek system than by these clubs, but you aren't complaining about alcohol poisoning and date rape.

Just relax and let people do what they would like as long as they don't hurt anyone.

Minds are like parachutes. They only work if they are open.

Why have well over a million people purchased "50 Shades of Gray"?

Why have well over a million people purchased "50 Shades of Gray"?

Because evangelicals freaked out about it. Until then, it wasn't that well known. But I'm sure the author is forever grateful.

Guess it's time for parents to really look and think about what their young impressible child will be getting into when going to any college that has approved this.

Right, because it only goes on at colleges that have approved it....

Freedom of expression and speech is a legal right, but this kind of club on a college campus, being held on a college campus, is very inappropriate. Be it so, if that is what you like to do in your private time in your bedroom with whomever you would like to do it with, then fine. But, to have a club to express sexual intimacy (positions, whips, chains, etc.) within an act that is private is out of order. What kills me is that you put it as if the group is needed to help them psychologically/socially feel accepted...BS. How would anyone know that you practice BDSM just by looking at you on your college campus on a day to day basis? Exactly, they wouldn't unless you broadcast it to them and/or they have been in your bedroom with you. Stop trying to open pandora's box on your sex life as your sex life is meant to be kept private and personal because I am sure there are things or activities that all of us do (sexually or not) which are not meant to be broadcasted. Who cares what they like to do in the bedroom, if the other people don't like it then don't step in that box then. #OutofOrder and #UnnecessaryClub

BigJeff-2931255

Remember, if you want to live in a free country, you have to accept other's feelings

Rubbish. The most that can be reasonably expected is TOLERATION. Get your freak on if you want, but don't expect me to approve of it or respect it. And don't get the idea that the lack of public censure in any way validates it.

Big Jeff, Self expression bulls$it. Simply more liberal perversion in the name of individual freedom. The problem in this country is that we have way to much freedom and too many liberal professors that contaminate the minds of our 18 year old "adults"What's next, required sensitivity training and acceptance of transgenders. They're freaks of nature and obviously, so are you. Go crawl back under your rock

Way to much freedom? What do you suggest then?

Steven - you are 100% correct. Many of the "activities" involved in BDSM are against the law in most states. It doesn't matter if these are consenting adults or not. All it needs is for one person to decide they really didn't like that beating after all (yes, a valid BDSM activity) and a lawsuit will appear. Again, according to laws of most states, it doesn't matter if you consented to the activity or not.

How about the freedom to not have sexual perversion made so accessible in a place as inappropriate as college classrooms? Since porn is a proven addiction, shouldn't there be concern that this will create more sexual disfunction in our society?

By your logic, sex in the missionary position is addictive and you should stop that immediately.

So, so glad I actually attended a few such BDSM meet-ups myself despite a general lack of interest in that lifestyle. Otherwise I might be as clueless as to what they're ACTUALLY about as many of the people here referring to it as "sexual perversion" and whatnot.

The exploitation of human beings in general and sex in particular through bondage, beatings, torture, pain, dominance, etc. is NOT equivalent to the "open parachute/open mind" philosophy. Freedom to live one's life in the privacy of their own home is one thing. An ivy league college social club promoting S&M is yet another.

Because evangelicals freaked out about it. Until then, it wasn't that well known. But I'm sure the author is forever grateful.

Evangelicals are their own worst enemy when it comes to trying to suppress something. I remember when they went ape a couple of decades ago over "The Last Temptation of Christ." Until they made a stink, it was a film that was destined to play in a few theaters in NY and LA and then disappear into film vaults. But, after they made such a fuss, it was shown in every city of any size, even in the south.

Because without a BDSM club, students and professors NEVER hook up. lol.

Sorry to hear about your forced abstinence, Truth. I have heard it can make you cranky like that.

Hope you get some soon!

RonB From Dumsburg: You've heard? I'll bet YOU KNOW. If you need whips and chains to get a hard-on sounds like you are the one with the problem. Keep playing with it Ronnie boy. Maybe one day it will grow......

@Ron

Funny, after giving my wife 3 "O's" in a row - she never asked once to be tied up. Maybe if more of you men had any skill, there would be no need for this sillyness. Let's leave the leather spikes and platform boots to KISS.

I heard she was faking it.

Did you spend all day coming up with that one? Was it right next to your notes on using the "that's what she said" line?

I'm all for taking a bashing, but a least put some effort into it!

I know. It's almost as lame as bragging about your bedroom prowess. Because men -don't- lie about that. Ever.

I wonder how many batteries your wife is hoarding?

See, THAT is actually trying. If you are going to be a trite vapid troll, at least try to be a creative one.

@Prokhor - I see you are a transvestite - you obviously took offense at the transgender comments and restrictions suggested on "freedoms". Here's what I suggest - we medicate anyone who is one gender and thinks they are another if their dna doesn't match up with what they think they are. Second - I suggest we imprison anyone who performs deviant sexual acts on other humans, dogs, cats or four footed beasts included. Lastly - castration and neutering should be considered for the incurably sick so they don't breed and bring up more miscreants. How's that?

By the way - I didn't think of this all my own!! The Greeks, Turks, Romans, Spanish and I assume other societies decided these were high crimes, in some cases punishable by death. Interesting no??

I submit to your vastly superior skill on the internetz. You've proven everything you said.

Sounds like Walkwithme is a real man. I'm with him. If you need toys to play, then you are really lame.

The ignorance and hating on this board is astounding. You realize that you people are trying to tell others how to obtain their own sexual gratification, which is comical. That's like telling your friend who is attracted to brunettes that he's wrong and should go after blondes. Guess what? People have varying attractions, and clearly that's one of the aspects that makes everyone unique. Honestly, just because you prefer straight-up sex with your partner as opposed to those in this group who prefer BDSM doesn't make you better. Apparently, many people think they are the grand poobah of normal human beings and try to direct other people's lives. How conceited are you?

I'm with Know-how 100%. I'm sorry, I just don't get the holier-than-thou attitude that if you don't like sex the way I like sex, it means the country is in moral decay.

Incidentally, @ The Truth, what town would Jesus call Dumburg.

@know-how

The "normal" people do not need to put up flyers in everyone's face, that is what these grown up in halloween superhero costumes are doing.

When you go advertising like that, you invite all the hateraide that comes with it. Hey, I'm a straight guy who prefers cats over dogs. Hey, I know it is atypical but there must be other like me. If I had put up posters for a social group in college, I would expect to get flack from all angles. Ask for attention, and you will get it - but you can't complain when it is bad.

Normal people don't need to put posters up in front of everyone's face?

"@Ron

Funny, after giving my wife 3 "O's" in a row - she never asked once to be tied up. Maybe if more of you men had any skill, there would be no need for this sillyness. Let's leave the leather spikes and platform boots to KISS."

Seems you're not normal then.

Heil-Danteblanco! Let me go get my goose-stepping boots real quick.

Grown up in halloween superhero costumes are doing

Wait. Hold up. There are grownups walking around in superhero costumes?

@danteblanco

By the way - I didn't think of this all my own!! The Greeks, Turks, Romans, Spanish and I assume other societies decided these were high crimes, in some cases punishable by death. Interesting no??

What's interesting is your considerable ignorance about the subject of which you speak. The ancient Greeks were outright proponents of homosexual relationships, and frescoes of BDSM scenes have been discovered in the ruins of the Roman city of Pompeii.

The Turks were Muslim zealots and the Spanish were Catholic ones, so I have no idea why you would look up to their societies.

There are student groups at Harvard, and practically every other college, that discuss religion, video games, dancing, sewing, sexual orientation, and bioethics, among other things. There is a club for every race and ethnicity. Very few of these clubs have anything to do with whatever the students are getting their degrees in. The point is to get students together that share common interests. Everyone is jumping on this club because it is about sex, sex many people don't understand.

It doesn't affect any of you. Who cares what others do at a student club or in their bedrooms? Besides, everyone has some kind of kink, whether they admit to it or not.

For the most part, kids in college are no longer "kids." They are adults, able to make decisions on their own. If they got in to Harvard, I'm sure they are capable of making such decisions. Some people enjoy getting beat, tied up, dominated, etc. It is nothing new, and to be able to discuss it openly and have group meetings on the subject will more than likely provide a safer way to go about it. Education is everything, especially when it involves tying your partner up and beating them unmercifully. Try it sometime, good stuff!

If you raise you kids right, they should know what kind of people they want to be. At 18 if they can go and fight and die for their country, then they should at least be able to know what kind of bedroom they want.

The official normal sex club is college itself. Trust me.

No one's pointing a gun at your head and telling you to go. There's nothing wrong with having a group together of people who are already OK with this stuff.

Zen, I believe EVERY college and high school has a normal sex club. Everyone is a member and there are no dues, just one on one meetings in the back of the car or a motel room. LOL

I know I was once a member... :)

I wouldn't worry about this too much, after a few years, the missionary position will start to seem kinky!!

There is sex education classes in normal college curriculums. These BDSM education and awareness groups aren't getting a college course, just a "ok, you can go start a club about it" stamp.

Yes, it's called a bar. And, if you are super "normal" kinky, go to a strip joint.

They are not children

Our country is doomed.

"Consenting adults", that's all there is to it.

Wow Paul....there is a HUGE different between a healthy, happy and fulfilling D/s relationship between two consenting adults...and child abuse... if you can't see tht...you are beyond clueless and ignorant.

Really Paul? It won't be long before child sex is OK'd on college campuses? You really believe that that is true? If you do, you are an idiot.

Sherassama - so I take it you belong to this club?

This is another failure of the educational system to take a stand on what is appropriate to allow on campus and what is not. Yes there is a responsibility here and no 18 yr olds have no idea what the hell life is about. That's why they exit college with unrealistic expectations and are overwhelmed by the difficulties that lie ahead.

If I had kids in college on my nickel - I'd pull them out of this school. I've had enough of gay, lesbian, and now sado masochistic sexual practices being "accepted". They should not be. Practice in private. There is no "advancement" in society for the outing of any of these deviant practices. This is just a way to glom over the true unacceptability of these practices to the general public. Don't like it? Go to another country and take your diseased brains with you. I'm sorry your upbringing was a sorry as it must have been to put you each into your own hell - but I for one have no reason to share in that hell, nor put it out there for display as normal and acceptable. It's deplorable and disgusting. Not one person, other than those in the group, would care to be anywhere near such actions. That alone tells you how sick they really are!!! I'm about as liberal as they come - except on this subject. This is a moral issue, from which failures result in the downfall of the greater society. Really really really super sick!!!

18 year olds have no idea what life is about.

Which is why most of them join the army.

I can't wait to hear about a prosecutor that gets people convicted to satisfy their sexual needs or a doctor that lets people die because it is their way of getting a nut off.

tz,

Perhaps you are the one who can't see. Paul was saying that if you allow this to happen today, WHAT could or might be happenning tomorrow?

Maybe you should educate yourself on the issue before commenting and perpetuating the myth that bdsm is only about focusing on the 's'.

OPh by no means - it involves beating each other, one dominant one slave, one who likes pain, one who likes to inflict it - let's say there isn't a lot of education required for something that is well known and has been for all time viewed as unacceptable and deviant behavior. Next question??? Ohlawd - you need to stop hiding and come out - are you into B, D, S or M or all of the above? Into the leather and whips? High spike heels and all that? tit pinchers and penal screws? Be honest - you're sick - get help. You aren't normal and forming a club isn't going to make you so.

Yes - I vote for institutionalization. Sickest deviance in sexual behavior there is sort of rape and kill. There is no gain in intellectualizing. You're talking around the problem - this is sick behavior by all standards of civilization and has been for all time. Get rid of it if we can - don't even begin to allow it, and treat those who psychosis is so advanced that they cannot be helped otherwise. Forming clubs is insane. It's just another way to meet people for encounters that they would otherwise not have. Total sickness.

Sex should be in the missionary position, under the covers, with the lights off, for purposes of procreation only!

Anyone who thinks otherwise needs therapy!

"The intellectualizing of a sub-culture or microcosm of our society is a good thing."

Really? Any weird sexual perversion these days is being thrust into the lime-light in the name of tolerance. What's the next "sub-culture"? Bestiality? Is that going to be OK once some study decides a lot of people like it? How about pedophilia? That's a big one, lots of people (read FREAKS) are into it i hear...

Watch for the price of sheep to go up.

Dante - That's your opinion. What is your opinion based on? Your spiritual upbringing or do you have factual data that can substantiate your claim as it being the worst sexual deviance? I'd say Beastiality is worse... Child molestation is worse. So what if someone likes to be spanked? They are an adult and they can make up their own choices as to how to live and how to have sex. Who are you to tell people what position and how to like sex. If they are consenting adults and its not keeping you from your own persuit of happiness then why must you invade someone elses bedroom? Are you a big Gov't fan or a little Gov't fan. Personally big brother doesn't need to watch me have my fun. And I'm not into the whole master and servant thing. I'm pretty plain but the discussion needs to happen.

Leezr - Well I think since you are talking about it, Beastiality is a terrible idea along with Pedophilia... Should we make it something that we don't talk about and confront, or should we be doing as we are right here and discussing it? I prefer discussing it and making it something that we deal with upfront and not close the lines of communication about it. We've drafted laws against Beastiality and Pedophilia because we have intellectualized these issues. We've come to the intellectual conclusion that these things are wrong because children are not old enough to make a well informed decision about sex. It effects children in a wholly negative way by distorting their sense of reality and normality which sends them on a downward slope to either repeating the same negative acts or worse. Animals are not able to consent about the act and it can kill them. We consider that torturous to them. So we drafted legislation against it.

So you're saying that your kids would have gone to Harvard if not for this BDSM club?

What sets us apart from the animals is our ability to have empathy and acceptance of what others might believe.

The book gained national popularity when ultra-religious conservatives (better known as busy-bodies) raised a fuss about it. Until then, few people had even heard of it, let alone read it.

"People have convinced themselves that they are no more than the animals. "

No convincing is needed. By definition, humans are animals. Humans respond to needs and drives just like any other species and human behavior is not superior.

Indeed many species, wolves and bonobos come to mind, form much healthier societies than humans. Empathy is certainly not restricted to humans. Many species demonstrate much more empathy than humans.

Big Jeff - I am very empathetic to murderers, rapists, gays and BDSM followers. That does not mean I approve of them, nor would allow my child to go anywhere near such a school. You can empathize with sickness without wanting it to come anywhere near you or your loved ones. This is sick, dangerous behavior that leads to an unhappy, often deadly end. The problem is not being able to control yourself and eventually you seek more and more deviance - ultimately drawing you to other forms to get sexually satisfied in addition to BDSM - be that drugs or other dangerous inclusions. This leads no where good and should be body slammed to the floor as fast as possible. Practice your sick sex in private and realize you are far from normal and need significant psychological help.

Hm. You do realize that there is a whole spectrum of BDSM behavior, right?

Are you honestly saying that someone who likes furry handcuffs and a light spank every now and then is comparable to a murderer or a rapist?

Wow.

Yes, Christian groups want to take away choice and freedom. If christians do not like something, they want to stop anyone from doing it.

This club allows more choice. I think bdsm is odd at best, but it is up to the people into it.

The difference between christians and bdsm? BDSM pretends to force, Christian wants to force.

Yes, Christians are BANNED from Harvard. That would be why when you search for the official groups, there are around two dozen religious groups, half of which actually have "Christian" in their name. Give up YOUR victimization and read something: Harvard Student Organizations

BDSM can be extremely dangerous if it's not done in a safe manner. Organizations like this discuss safety and consent practices to make sure nobody gets injured.

Think of it like the classroom instruction you get before you go skydiving.

Wow!! Never thought of that!! So it is indeed a place to practice and learn about more deviant behavior that in no way ever can be safe anyway. It's just a place to discuss new ways to practice and identify a larger pool of players. Someone over there must think we were all born yesterday or something. Funny - I didn't need a lot of training to have heterosexual sex, even as a teenager (18). So how come this kind of sex requires training?? BECAUSE IT IS UNNATURAL AND AGAINST ALL OUR INSTINCTS!!! Stupid stupid stupid. Intellectualize your stupidity if you wish, but it is still stupidity.

Traveling at 75mph while being flipped upside down is unnatural and against our instincts, too. Should we start protesting roller coasters?

Dante - You didn't have training because Porn is all around you. You got training when you saw those filthy little movies and magazines your mom took from you. But I'm sure you've forgiven her about it now haven't you? If you have never seen porn or read filthy little stories involving it then your wife must be the most unsatisfied woman on the face of this earth. You're being ridiculous here. BDSM is more safe than not. Spanking is BDSM... Well I've never heard of someone dying because they were spanked? If you have, then you better not be spanking your kids. Spanking is a part of BDSM. So is role play where you have a master and servant scenario.

You want to talk about things that are against our instincts? What about flying... We weren't given wings. Why do we go up into airplanes? We weren't born with a spacesuit for our skin so why do we send people outside of the ISS? Our legs can only propel us to 27 MPH (Usain Bolt) so why is it that we get in our car and drive 70 on the freeway? It's all against our instincts? Your logic fails this point.

When I was in school, the college had an officially recognized D/s organization, but it was called AFROTC.

Aw look at you! Thinking sex belongs exclusively to and can only be discussed within the confines of someone's bedroom.

I urge to send a letter of such to RACK, The Anime Society, The Anthropology Club, The Arts Society, The Bioethics Society, GLOW, The Global Health and AIDS Coalition, The Global Initiative for Women's Empowerment, etc.

Sex is an important topic that touches on damn near every aspect of living life.

Your insinuation that talking about it in the open is a moral failing is so ridiculous its almost cute.

Talking about Sex is fine, I happen to love sex,been at it for decades (herto ) dont read insinuation in what I wrote - this may be sex for people like you, let your freak flag fly, have your glee club of misfits, perverts, etc - just leave me the hell alone ,why would you need a GD club anyway?

Its a subject to discuss that other people would also like to discuss.

Why not have a club? What's the problem with having one?

Its not like every student at Harvard is being forced to spend a day with the kinksters.

Celtic 1,

Didn't know you went to Harvard. Didn't really sound like it after reading your posts.

Hoilday Tree- Tree does not have sh** to do with Christmas

Like the Skull and Bones Club?

LOL better to be a liberal with open sexual practices (that aren't illegal) than a closeted perv or sexually repressed "Chesty Puller" (crazy morality-imposing conservative)