"Traitor"? This kid sacrificed his career to inform his fellow Americans of impropriety in the military..... and his freedom. This is what one would expect from a real patriot, not a traitor.

ARRESTED OVER POSTS

POLICE STATE HAS ARRIVED PROTECT YOURSELVES BY ANY MEANS NECESSARY

RICHMOND, Va. — A former Marine involuntarily detained for psychiatric evaluation for posting strident anti-government messages on Facebook has received an outpouring of support from people who say authorities are trampling on his First Amendment rights.

Brandon J. Raub, 26, has been in custody since FBI, Secret Service agents and police in Virginia's Chesterfield County questioned him Thursday evening about what they said were ominous posts talking about a coming revolution. In one message earlier this month according to authorities, Raub wrote: "Sharpen my axe; I'm here to sever heads."

Police – acting under a state law that allows emergency, temporary psychiatric commitments upon the recommendation of a mental health professional – took Raub to the John Randolph Medical Center in Hopewell. He was not charged with any crime.

A Virginia-based civil liberties group, The Rutherford Institute, dispatched one of its attorneys to the hospital to represent Raub at a hearing Monday. A judge ordered Raub detained for another month, Rutherford executive director John Whitehead said.

"For government officials to not only arrest Brandon Raub for doing nothing more than exercising his First Amendment rights but to actually force him to undergo psychological evaluations and detain him against his will goes against every constitutional principle this country was founded upon," Whitehead said.

Raub's mother, Cathleen Thomas, said by telephone that the government had overstepped its bounds.

"The bottom line is his freedom of speech has been violated," she said.

Thomas said her son, who served tours as a combat engineer in Iraq and Afghanistan, is "concerned about all the wars we've experienced" and believes the U.S. government was complicit in the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks. One of his Facebook posts, she said, pictured the gaping hole in the Pentagon and asked "where's the plane?"

Whitehead said he found nothing alarming in Raub's social media commentaries. "The posts I read that supposedly were of concern were libertarian-type posts I see all the time," he said.

The big concern, Whitehead said, is whether government officials are monitoring citizens' private Facebook pages and detaining people with whom they disagree.

Dee Rybiski, an FBI spokeswoman in Richmond, said there was no Facebook snooping by her agency.

"We received quite a few complaints about what were perceived as threatening posts," she said. "Given the circumstances with the things that have gone on in the country with some of these mass shootings, it would be horrible for law enforcement not to pay attention to complaints."

Whitehead said some of the posts in question were made on a closed Facebook page that Raub had recently created so he questioned whether anyone from the public would have complained about them.

"Support Brandon Raub" Facebook pages have drawn significant interest, and other Internet sites had numerous comments from people outraged by the veteran's detention.

Raub's supporters characterized the detention as an arrest, complaining he was handcuffed and whisked away in a police cruiser without being served a warrant or read his rights. But authorities say it wasn't an arrest because Raub doesn't face criminal charges.

Col. Thierry Dupuis, the county police chief, said Raub was taken into custody upon the recommendation of mental health crisis intervention workers. He said the action was taken under the state's emergency custody statute, which allows a magistrate to order the civil detention and psychiatric evaluation of a person who is considered potentially dangerous.

He said Raub was handcuffed because he resisted officers' attempts to take him into custody.1

1. 2012, http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/21/brandon-j-raub-marine-detained_n_1817484.html

I am not defending this soldier's actions but if he had lodged a complaint his purported treatment while in confinement would have stepped up a notch or two. I do not blame him for not filing a complaint against those Marines who held his life in their hands. The military is known for closing ranks to protect their own.

The actions that did happen under combat conditions should have been disclosed instead of being covered up. This causes the public to distrust the Federal Government including the military.

guess it's easier to just stay in line, agree with the moral low ground and protect the real criminals eh buddy? Telling the truth in this country anymore seems to get you branded a traitor.

Did you ever serve in the military? Ever hear of the Red Line Brig at Portsmouth? They probably don't have them anymore, but they were hellholes where all transgressions, however slight, were guaranteed to get you a beating. I'm not talking a slap in the face, or a punch in the nose, but a real, multi-player beat down. Bradley wouldn't have lasted three days in one of them. The fact that today's military allows such obvious pansies as Manning to even serve is part of the problem. A real momma's boy. Whatever bad comes his way, he deserves.

(remember, there were over 10 gigs of data released so he had to do this hundreds of times on a CD-RW, which it was stated a blank CD by the Govt themselves, not DVD which holds 4.7 gigs)

Hundreds of CDs, each holding ~600-650MB in order to hold 10GB?

Incidentally, if I treated one of my kids the way this guy has been treated in prison, I would be sent to prison, so why is this kids Constitutional Rights being withheld?

What Constitutionally protected rights are being withheld? What specific problems do you have with the way he was detained?

Ringo, Manning's lawyer filed a motion of dismisal for violation of his right to a speedy trial for one. His Eighth Amendment rights were violated, cruel and unusual punishment for "speaking out against his treatment" whereby he was placed in a 6x8 cell 23 hours a day and made to stand naked without even the support of a wall during waking hours. Senator David Kucinich was denied access to him during one visit to Quantico. He was deprived of sleep. It goes on and on. Where have you been that you have not heard of his treatment?

I am providing a link to a British news agency since we do not always get the full details here in the US:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/aug/10/bradley-manning-military-code-lawyer

Ringo, Manning's lawyer filed a motion of dismisal for violation of his right to a speedy trial for one.

They were also the people demanding that classified information be released, which caused most of the delays...

His Eighth Amendment rights were violated, cruel and unusual punishment for "speaking out against his treatment" whereby he was placed in a 6x8 cell 23 hours a day and made to stand naked without even the support of a wall during waking hours.

He didn't have to be naked or stand up until he made a noose and joked about killing himself. Either he was honestly interested in suicide (in which case this may well have saved his life) or he was joking about it, which is still his fault.

He was allowed to sleep 9 hours a night, could sit down and relax as he desired during the say, could watch television regularly, and could freely talk to the detainees in other cells.

Where have you been that you have not heard of his treatment?

Where have I been? I've been to that brig (not as a detainee) and I know the person that was in the cell beside him. Where have YOU been?

Sorry Ringo, I doubt the veracity of your (unsupported) claim- mostly because you talk as if you would prefer he be punished no matter what the circumstances. Quantico was never specific as to where exactly he was being held, plus all accounts state they deprived him of sleep and at best would only allow him 2200 to 0500 for sleeping. His complaints are well documented and even detailed by a member of congress. Of course if you have proof.....

Sorry Ringo, I doubt the veracity of your (unsupported) claim- mostly because you talk as if you would prefer he be punished no matter what the circumstances.

You can doubt the rotation of the Earth, it still won't change the facts. As for punishment, I support punishment if he's guilty, and none if he isn't......something you would already know if you thought to ask instead of just making assumptions.

Quantico was never specific as to where exactly he was being held, plus all accounts state they deprived him of sleep and at best would only allow him 2200 to 0500 for sleeping. His complaints are well documented and even detailed by a member of congress. Of course if you have proof.....

He was being held in the brig. That makes it pretty simple, since it is a small facility. Documenting that someone claims something is exactly that: a documentation that they've claimed something. It is not documentation that it actually was a true claim. There are well documented claims that people with light skin are far superior to people with dark skin. Do you actually believe that is true?

Somehow your question does not surprise me.

No proof. Good day.

Somehow your question does not surprise me.

No proof. Good day.

Somehow your avoidance of questions does not surprise me. You have no evidence.

Good day

See, Ringo is one of those types of special people that need to take revenge on the world for not all being 'MURICANS! See, REAL 'MURICANS don't need any inconvenient facts to get in the way of a good Fox News narrative, and they sure as heck don't need to think for themselves or prove anything. The ring of "truthiness" fed to us by the powers that be should be plenty! Right? Wow, and you dolts are worried about a "fiscal" cliff, got news for ya bub, we done already tumbled over the "morality" cliff. Thanks for playing!

So what you're saying, Ed, is that you have no real argument to make or anything of value to say. Lacking those things, you decide to lamely troll on the internet.

Five lines of text, and Ed couldn't get anything remotely close to the topic or reality.

See, REAL 'MURICANS don't need any inconvenient facts to get in the way of a good Fox News narrative, and they sure as heck don't need to think for themselves or prove anything.

You RWNJs are just sad

mike3775, the DOD IT Security Office would have immediately known this kid was downloading data from their servers. I believe they let him do this so the IT Police could follow the trail. I have been around IT offices for a long time in my career to know IT knows every keystroke you have made along with every file you have viewed. This kid was definitely set up by his own government and made the patsy for a larger fish. There can be no other explanation or defense. IT security offices know all events that occur on their system, period.

Funny, last time I checked, the United States Constitution stated this:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

So what does that mean? WE AS CITIZENS ARE FREE TO SPEAK OUT AGAINST ANYTHING WE FEEL IS WRONG. You saying "If you don't like our military and our govt_LEAVE." means that you support the way President Putin of Russia feels, JAIL ALL DISSEDENTS AND HOLD BULL@!$%# TRIALS FOR SPEAKING UP AGAINST BULL@!$%#. If you don't like the fact that the US Constitution APPLIES TO ALL, maybe you are the one who should move, preferably to a country that has views like you hold, like Russia, China and Cuba

Hey Rom - We don't like paying for useless wars, trumped up with false evidence by Zionists. Perhaps you enjoyed your time over there, but just remember, our freedoms were never in jeopardy from anyone in Afghanistan or Iraq. We went over there to secure gas and oil pipelines for Israel and our oil companies. You were only a tool to be used for their profits.

We do shed tears for those soldiers who died for wars based on trumped up lies. Example: The mobile biological weapons labs were actually for filling weather balloons. The Niger documents were forgeries. Do you ever wonder who forged them and why?

Here is one of the ways they sold the war.

Zionist
warmongers like Ken Adelman and the Zionist Washington Post pushed the war in
an editorial titled, “Cakewalk in Iraq.” Jewish supremacists Richard Perle and
Paul Wolfowitz told you that Iraq would “Welcome us as liberators.” Iraq became
the longest war in American history. Here is a report from USA Today: “Pentagon
officials estimated for the first time Wednesday that up to 360,000 Iraq and
Afghanistan veterans may have suffered traumatic brain injuries.” Now that’s
not counting tens of thousands who have suffered maiming, amputations, or death
in this war based on lies.

@ Sgt J H, under don't ask, don't tell - this namby pamby little puke would have been DD'd and there wouldn't have been a security breach. Screw politically correct they're volunteers and they're being held to a lesser standard than those of us who served during the Draft years. $78/month after boot camp didn't buy squat, but serving in a war zone almost doubled that and you got rewarded with the aroma of Hoppe's #9 and cordite. Hooah.

What some of these people are missing, is that Manning took an oath to "uphold and defend" against all enemies foreign and domestic; by divulging confidential information, no matter how trivial it may seem to the uninformed it jeopardized others.

Right, shed tears for all the troops that died, I totally agree, but think about this, THEY WOULD BE ALIVE IF IT HADN'T BEEN FOR A WAR BASED ON LIES!

Bubby's Grampa

@ Sgt J H, under don't ask, don't tell - this namby pamby little puke would have been DD'd and there wouldn't have been a security breach. Screw politically correct they're volunteers and they're being held to a lesser standard than those of us who served during the Draft years. $78/month after boot camp didn't buy squat, but serving in a war zone almost doubled that and you got rewarded with the aroma of Hoppe's #9 and cordite. Hooah.

What some of these people are missing, is that Manning took an oath to "uphold and defend" against all enemies foreign and domestic; by divulging confidential information, no matter how trivial it may seem to the uninformed it jeopardized others.

I love it when uber-'MURICANS bring up the oath and conveniently forget that "all enemies, foreign and domestic" INCLUDES THE WORD DOMESTIC! I suppose we should all be happy we are strafing journalists and laughing about it eh? Real good guy.

If our troops were not in Iraq illegally in the first place(incidentally where are the weapons of mass destruction Saddam had?), none would have been killed.

Troops were diverted to Iraq from Afghanistan due to intelligence reports, odd that after all these years military intelligence still seems an oxymoron.

Due to this we missed our best opportunity, prior to Abbottabad, to expunge the tall dialysis patient. That and the chubby intern under the Resolute desk, which may or may not have caused the lack of a green light for scout/sniper teams who had eyes on OBL prior to 9/11.

Manning made "lots of money"? While in a brig? Are you serious?

Manning got what he deserved at Quantico. It's no different than what happens to a child molester who gets hard time and discovers the contempt other inmates have for "short-eyes".

What about his superior officers who did nothing to stop this LOWLY E-3(IIRC correctly)? When I was in the Navy, when a friend in CIC let me in, and the XO saw me in there(I had no clearance for that room), not only did I get a dressing down, so did my friend, and so did my friends LPO, LCPO, and Department head. How come no one above Manning has been charged with allowing this to happen, since as I pointed out earlier in this thread, he had to do it over a long stretch of time. Again, notice how only 1 person has been charged.

There is a coverup going on over this, there is no way an E-3 could grab gigabytes of data using only a CD-RW. Where were the security measures at the Pentagon? How come no one noticed that gigabytes of data was accessed over time by the same PC continually? Oh yeah, gotta protect the higher ups like Petraeus.

On what unit, and what was the nature of your deployment when the incursion into CIC occurred? Even though it's common for CIC personnel to need Secret or Top Secret clearances there is a level of normal traffic that does occur that doesn't require this same clearance level.

So you would rather listen to a different propaganda machine, and claim righteousness? Sorry! Wrong answer! Next!

Steven - Lets lock up Larry Franklin and the 2 AIPAC cohorts to whom he passed on American secrets. They are vermin.

It basically is a capital offense when he compromised the security of people in the middle east theater. He's lucky he wasn't allowed access to the yard at Quantico.