Protect rare bird? Move by US has energy backers crying foul

U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service via Reuters

The lesser prairie chicken could get listed as "threatened" under the Endangered Species Act.

WASHINGTON -- A move by U.S. authorities to consider placing a small grassland bird native to parts of the oil and gas belt on the Endangered Species List has drawn the ire of some Western lawmakers.

The U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service on Friday announced a plan to consider having the lesser prairie chicken listed as "threatened" under the Endangered Species Act.

The lesser prairie chicken is a medium-sized, gray-brown grouse, smaller and paler than the greater prairie chicken, its close relative.

Once found in abundant numbers across much of Southeastern Colorado, Eastern New Mexico, the Texas Panhandle, Western Oklahoma and Western Kansas, the lesser prairie-chicken's historical range of native grasslands and prairies has been reduced by an estimated 84 percent, the service said.

Lawmakers in major oil and gas producing districts immediately cried foul.


"A listing will have permanent economic consequences for the people of Texas who live and work in the Permian Basin and the Texas Panhandle," said Representative Michael Conaway, a Republican.

Conaway's sprawling West Texas district produces much of the state's oil and about one-quarter of its gas.

Protecting the lesser prairie-chicken "could drive ranching families and energy producers out of business," said Republican Representative Randy Neugebauer, whose district in East-Central Texas is a large agricultural area.

New Mexico's Steve Pearce, chairman of the Congressional Western Caucus, said federal species regulation was being "driven by lawyers for extreme interest groups."

"Listing cannot come soon enough for the lesser prairie chicken," said Taylor Jones, endangered species advocate for WildEarth Guardians, a Santa Fe environmental group that at one point sued the federal government in an attempt to protect the birds from oil and gas drilling.

The Fish and Wildlife Service has opened a 90-day comment period on the lesser prairie-chicken and is seeking input from the public and from the scientific community before making its final decision. Four public hearings will be held in February.

In the meantime, a number of state and federal agencies are working on a voluntary conservation planning effort to conserve the bird's habitat.

"Regardless of whether the lesser prairie-chicken ultimately requires protection under the ESA, its decline is a signal that our native grasslands are in trouble," said Benjamin Tuggle, Regional Director for the Service's Southwest Region.

"We know that these grasslands support not only dozens of native migratory bird and wildlife species, but also farmers, ranchers and local communities across the region," Tuggle said.

Lesser prairie chickens are considered "vulnerable," a step short of endangered, by the UK-based International Union for Conservation of Nature, whose "red list" tracks the conservation status of various species worldwide.

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You can't please everyone!

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#1 - Sat Dec 1, 2012 2:19 PM EST

Thank You!!! No matter what is being done, someone is going to be crying "fowl" somewhere.....

  • 4 votes
#1.1 - Sat Dec 1, 2012 2:51 PM EST

Till, nice pun.

Back to the article. I think the EPA has been given too much unbridled "muscle" since it's inception.

  • 8 votes
#1.2 - Sat Dec 1, 2012 4:14 PM EST

Libtards waging war on the free markets. The could give a damn about American jobs.

  • 4 votes
#1.3 - Sat Dec 1, 2012 4:24 PM EST

So don't vote them in office. Think before you VOTE!!!

  • 4 votes
#1.4 - Sat Dec 1, 2012 4:26 PM EST

The environmental lobby has been ineffective in their crusade against the energy industry so now they are trying to use the ESA and a gullible federal agency to do their work for them. This has a lot more to do with the environmental organizations wanting to stop energy exploration than it does with any desire to protect this bird. What people need to understand is that 99.9% of all the species that have ever lived on this planet are now extinct. Extinction is part of the natural cycle of things and is not something that needs to be prevented at all costs for every species. Unless we are talking about a species that plays a larger role in the overall ecosystem there needs to be much more thought put into whether or not protecting the species is even warranted. I know that to many this sounds like a very cold and uncaring position to take, but it is based on the reality of nature. The current push by the environmental lobby to protect all species regardless of the cost simply does not make sense. Does protecting this relatively insignificant species really warrant potentially putting tens of thousands of people out of work and taking away a rancher's ability to make a living off of the land that he owns. Environmental conservation needs to be tempered with a dose of economic reality. The current extremist position of the various environmental groups is simply not realistic or logical.

  • 8 votes
#1.5 - Sat Dec 1, 2012 4:51 PM EST

JS. Yep!

  • 1 vote
#1.6 - Sat Dec 1, 2012 5:18 PM EST

I repeat... it is time to abolish the EPA. This derelict government bureauacracy has been like a wrecking ball to the economy and in particular to the lumber and mining, oil and gas industries.

  • 3 votes
#1.7 - Sat Dec 1, 2012 6:14 PM EST

The day will come when "Humans" will be at the top of the Endangered Species List. What type of prairie chicken will come to our aid ? I think we need to protect us " Humans " and stop trying to please the lobbist who drive this stuff.

Thanks for reading !

  • 6 votes
#1.8 - Sat Dec 1, 2012 7:15 PM EST

It seems to me like it would be easy for the energy industry to avoid this trouble if they wanted to... all they'd need to do is prevent them from becomming endangered. I bet they could that for cheap if they'd start or fund a breeding program. It would probably be much cheaper than even paying their lawyers to fight this action. If they breed and release thousands of them each year then the bird won't become endangered and there will be no problems.

I know some of you will think to yourselves that they shouldn't have to do that, but the reality is that every business has a responsibility to the communities in which they operate and should not leave those communities worse for their operating in them, even if those communities are located on the prarie and are inhabited by cool looking wild chickens.

  • 5 votes
#1.9 - Sat Dec 1, 2012 7:26 PM EST

JS. Very well put, couldn't have done better. This "libtard", as some so eloquently put, is all for protecting animals...to a point. Yes, we should lessen our environmental impact whenever possible, but man should ultimately win out. Tree hugging and stopping all progress is just a bad idea. But abolish the EPA? Rebuild/remodel would be a better idea. We all know damn well what industries would do without any environmental regulations placed upon them, the oil and chemical ones especially.

I think my personal favorite is the bird vs. wind turbine. Seriously, if a bird is not smart enough to avoid hitting something that large, that's Darwinism in action!

  • 1 vote
#1.10 - Sat Dec 1, 2012 7:27 PM EST

Not to worry. As fracking is being found to be poisoning water supplies and killing livestock, the bird doesn't stand a chance. The energy producers will destroy the enviroment all on their own. texas will be a vast wasteland incapable of supporting life soon enough.

  • 3 votes
#1.11 - Sat Dec 1, 2012 7:38 PM EST

or even every chicken... ;)

    #1.12 - Sat Dec 1, 2012 7:41 PM EST

    JS- I couldn't agree more with your comments regarding the actual motive, but couldn't agree less with you on the point of extinction being part of the natural course of events.

    Extinction events like this planet has had in the last 500 years are in line, historically speaking, with MAJOR climate shifts or ecological events that have resulted in MASS extinction of all primary species. It is NOT within the "natural order" of things for one species to cause the mass extinction of others without major, major consequences. (The last time this truly happened was back when chlorophyll-using organisms wiped out early bacteria). What we are doing is FAR from natural, and to believe there will not be potentially catastrophic consequences to us is a shockingly ignorant position to take.

    • 5 votes
    #1.13 - Sat Dec 1, 2012 8:24 PM EST

    SetYouFree

    It seems to me like it would be easy for the energy industry to avoid this trouble if they wanted to... all they'd need to do is prevent them from becomming endangered. I bet they could that for cheap if they'd start or fund a breeding program.

    Easily done. Just make them a food staple. We eat millions of chickens a day, and there are still billions of chickens.

    • 1 vote
    #1.14 - Sat Dec 1, 2012 9:19 PM EST

    It's unlikely that they would ever be useful as a food staple since the article says they are small. The chickens we eat are a specific variety of bird that grows quickly and grows large so that they are profitable to chicken farms. But I don't think you are wrong in that if there were some economic value to the birds that it's far less likely that they would be endangered since we would be breeding them for that purpose. It would still be cheap to breed them for release into the wild though, especially when compared to the downright ridiculous profits the oil companies make from drilling in these areas.

      #1.15 - Sat Dec 1, 2012 9:58 PM EST

      Oh yeah, protecting this species is going to be the end of the world for the US Econonmy.

      A bunch of squacking by those that feather their nest with Petrodollars. Don't the farmers/ranchers have a 2 year + drought that is doing a better job than any Federal Protections can of extracting profits? Might be time to slow down putting another well or fracking site up. Use that reclaimed water you'll save for watering crops and cattle, if it is so safe.

      Fracking's Health and Environmental Impacts Greater Than Claimed

      Cornell Chronicle: Report exposes fracking's effects on animals

      Cornell Chronicle: Report exposes fracking's effects on animals

      North Dakota's Oil Boom Brings Damage Along With Prosperity

      TEDX — Chemicals in Natural Gas Operations: Overview

      When WILL it be time to stop destroying environments for Native Species? When it is all gone? Cry us a river.

      Those saying breed and release mor of them are simply overlooking what removing the environment that supports these and many other animals being encroached upon and never left in as pristine a condition as before operations lessen conditions found in a Natural Environment. Shortsighted suggestion that evades the impacts of Energy and Ranching impacts.

      On three...shill!

      • 1 vote
      #1.16 - Sun Dec 2, 2012 2:21 PM EST

      Tastes like spotted owl.

        #1.17 - Tue Dec 4, 2012 2:19 AM EST

        SetYouFree
        It's unlikely that they would ever be useful as a food staple since the article says they are small. The chickens we eat are a specific variety of bird that grows quickly and grows large so that they are profitable to chicken farms.

        Without the bison industry there would not be anywhere near the numbers that there are now, even though they grow at a much slower rate than domestic cattle. No reason that there could not be something similar, albeit a niche industry, with all 3 of the grouse species that are in trouble. As a matter of fact the same land used for private buffalo herds would most likely be great for the birds.

        Today, bison producers can be found in all 50 states, every Canadian province, and in several countries overseas. The 2007 Census of Agriculture reported that approximately 4,400 private ranches and farms today raise 198,000 head of bison across the United States. Approximately 25,000 additional animals are kept in public herds. And, the Canadian herd is estimated at 220,000 head.

        http://www.bisoncentral.com/about-bison/history

          #1.18 - Tue Dec 4, 2012 11:24 AM EST

          You've got the right idea, but a 1500 lb bison is a far cry from a 1/2 lb bird.

            #1.19 - Wed Dec 5, 2012 11:38 PM EST

            They are a bit larger than that more like the size of a small chicken. Obviously it would never be more than a niche market. But the same private land used for bison would also be great for them.

            http://www.environment.ok.gov/documents/OKWindEnergy/EcologyMgmtLesserPrairieChicken.pdf

              #1.20 - Thu Dec 6, 2012 1:55 PM EST
              Reply

              It's not about protecting a bird. It's protecting the few last remaining members of an entire species.

              • 16 votes
              Reply#2 - Sat Dec 1, 2012 2:51 PM EST
              Comment author avatarTilladahunExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

              Sad to say entire species are becoming extinct every day while "new" ones are being discovered.... how are we to save them all??? and should we? natural selection and nature's balance are being affected by our decisions all the time (some thoughtless and some thoroughly thought out)

              • 2 votes
              #2.1 - Sat Dec 1, 2012 2:53 PM EST

              Hopefully the next species to become extinct will be the Republican Party.

              • 15 votes
              #2.2 - Sat Dec 1, 2012 4:10 PM EST

              Ourdoc, Liberals would be a better species.

              • 6 votes
              #2.3 - Sat Dec 1, 2012 4:21 PM EST

              Ourdoc & Neg,

              If you don't like our two party system, or the contrast between Republicans & Liberals, why don't you move to China or Iran where they have really strong single party systems.

              Idiots!

              • 3 votes
              #2.4 - Sat Dec 1, 2012 5:13 PM EST

              Mike, you exhibit the typical tolerance of the Left!

              BTW, there's Liberals on both sides.

              • 1 vote
              #2.5 - Sat Dec 1, 2012 5:21 PM EST

              Yes, by all means, DEATH to any and all species that cannot develop a tolerance for the environmental devastation wrought by man ! When we get down to a planet covered with Humans, Cows, Pigs, Domestic fowl & GM plants, we will have established UTOPIA !

              Anyone familiar with the concept of "the canary in the coal mine" ?

              • 4 votes
              #2.6 - Sat Dec 1, 2012 8:37 PM EST

              The Obama regime's war on coal is threatening to make the mine canary extinct.

              • 1 vote
              #2.7 - Wed Dec 5, 2012 1:55 AM EST
              Reply

              Screw the energy industry!!!! Bunch of greedy no account money grubbers who will stop at nothing to make a buck. They don't care what they destroy or what they kill in the wanton pursuit of profit

              • 16 votes
              Reply#3 - Sat Dec 1, 2012 3:00 PM EST

              jim you are using a computer that requires a certain amount of power to run which means a certain amount of energy will be consumed to run your computer so you can make this post. It is not just the greedy energy industry that is the problem is is the "entitled consumer" that is also a problem. The global consumer based economy supports the greedy industry titans worldwide not just in the US. If you really wanted to make a difference you would ensure you consume as little as humanly possible. Of which you do consume you would ensure that as much of what you do consume is sustainable which I promise is far harder than you think. Stop and think about how few things are available from a truly sustainable source, meaning not just the production of a product but its packaging and distribution and advertising of said product. We can all do better which means to me that we should not judge to harshly. Making a difference starts by looking at yourself differently.

              • 6 votes
              #3.1 - Sat Dec 1, 2012 3:52 PM EST

              So stop buying energy from them. Profit does not magically appear out of thin air.

              It never fails to amaze me how angry people get at "greedy no account money grubbing" companies that they eagerly buy things from every day. Its like standing at a gas pump and filling your car up with gas and scratching your head wondering why oil companies have so much money.... BECAUSE YOU GIVE IT TO THEM.

              If you want industrialized stuff like cars, computers and canned soup then there is a price to pay.

              If not then there is a price to pay for that too! Go live in a cave, no one is stopping you.

              • 9 votes
              #3.2 - Sat Dec 1, 2012 3:57 PM EST

              The other way is to take it back from them. Now that the DOJ is investigating the fake closing of the refineries in California which caused the unnecessary huge price hike there, hopefully it will bring some money back to the consumers and put some oil executives in prison. The only way to stop greedy scum is to take them out of the equation.

              • 6 votes
              #3.3 - Sat Dec 1, 2012 4:15 PM EST

              Skookum, you are one brain dead jack a$$. Perhaps you can retreat to your cave with your modest collection of sticks and twigs and rub a couple of rocks together to start a fire.

              • 2 votes
              #3.4 - Sat Dec 1, 2012 6:19 PM EST

              Not to worry. Those energy producers are all on the level.

              http://www.businessinsider.com/fracking-poison-pennsylvania-water-2012-11

                #3.5 - Sat Dec 1, 2012 7:39 PM EST

                Ourdoc

                The other way is to take it back from them. The only way to stop greedy scum is to take them out of the equation.

                By all means. Get rid of the greedy scum who know how to produce and distribute energy and replace them with greedy scum that don't.

                • 1 vote
                #3.6 - Sat Dec 1, 2012 9:22 PM EST
                Reply

                You are contributing to that by using a computer to post your dialogue here. You are killing the prairie chicken.

                • 3 votes
                Reply#4 - Sat Dec 1, 2012 3:49 PM EST
                Comment author avatarMichael Aufenkampvia Facebook

                I better act fast... That bird looks tasty!

                • 6 votes
                Reply#5 - Sat Dec 1, 2012 4:13 PM EST
                Comment author avatarMichael Aufenkampvia Facebook

                Oh, and I love reading these responses. I love the way Liberals think money, energy, etc. just appears out of thin air.

                • 8 votes
                Reply#6 - Sat Dec 1, 2012 4:14 PM EST

                "I love the way Liberals think money, energy, etc. just appears out of thin air."

                Well maybe they, at leas,t they may be thinking.

                What a stupid statement.

                • 6 votes
                #6.1 - Sat Dec 1, 2012 5:20 PM EST

                At the risk of feeding the troll, I will respond. I don't think anything appears out of thin air. I just don't believe in destroying our world to obtain energy. Oil companies will kill us all to make an extra dollar. It is these type of mercenary actions which must be regulated. If it will save a species, I am willing to pay extra on my electric bill. THAT is the morality that the right lacks- they will allow energy companies to kill us and our environment in order to knock a nickle of their electric bills.

                • 9 votes
                #6.2 - Sat Dec 1, 2012 5:52 PM EST

                Don't worry. they will be poisoning the air soon enough. Go ahead and let thenm do whatever they want. Then they walk away from the destruction and the taxpayers can foot the cleanup bill if anything's left at that point.

                http://www.businessinsider.com/fracking-poison-pennsylvania-water-2012-11

                • 2 votes
                #6.3 - Sat Dec 1, 2012 7:41 PM EST

                Scalzo, you miss the point of capitalism. Once they create the problem, they create more wealth fixing the problem.

                • 2 votes
                #6.4 - Mon Dec 3, 2012 2:21 PM EST
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                Don't cry foul at the government. Put the blame on the hunters that wiped out the bird to the point it needs protection!

                • 1 vote
                Reply#7 - Sat Dec 1, 2012 4:20 PM EST
                Comment author avatarDan-312359Expand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

                Now here a guy blaming the hunters probably another anti gun jerk!!!! Sorry just had to get thjis one in the posts....

                  #7.1 - Sat Dec 1, 2012 4:28 PM EST

                  If you had read the article you would of LEARNED that the lesser prairie chicken is threatened by loss of habitat, not over hunting or even hunting! Does the saying "2 tacos short of of combo plate" fire any neurons in your brain?

                  • 3 votes
                  #7.2 - Sat Dec 1, 2012 5:20 PM EST

                  "2 tacos short of of combo plate"? Never heard that one before! That's some funny sh*t right there!

                  • 1 vote
                  #7.3 - Sat Dec 1, 2012 7:36 PM EST

                  I was stationed in CA for most of my 21 yrs in the USN and my favorite version of this saying is "He's not driving in the center lane."

                  • 1 vote
                  #7.4 - Sun Dec 2, 2012 3:36 PM EST
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                  The less Prairie chicken sure is cuter then the stupid spider they have on the list. Put the chicken on the list like previous people said, can't please everyone.

                  • 2 votes
                  Reply#8 - Sat Dec 1, 2012 4:27 PM EST

                  I live in "The Forest City," a place with hundreds of thousands of trees, yet there is woodpecker that for four years has attacked the pillars on my house. I've sprayed and fumigated in case there are insects, and I've even sheathed the columns with metal, and still the damn bird attacks my pillars. I've hung shiny metal streamers and owl-fetishes and everything I can think of and every single hint I can find on how to make Woody peck at one of the fifteen trees just on my land, let alone the countless ones I can see from here. Since the blasted thing is "protected" the only recommendations I can find are to "shoot, shovel and shut-up." The pillars will cost nearly $15k to replace and the fine for killing at woodpecker is $1,500. I no longer care if it is the last woodpecker on earth. I've currently budgeted $3k for a pair just in case there's more than one. Woody's gonna die. And, it's not just my house - he's attacked three of us in a row. My neighbors' house looks like it should be in Gaza. I wish animal services would catch and release the bugger, but it seems that they can't interfere with wildlife; all they can do is fine me if they find him dead from a combination of fruit, suet and rat poison. Insurance won't pay to replace the pillars.

                  If God really wanted these birds around, He would have made them hornier; there'd be so many of them that they wouldn't be called the Lesser Prairie Chicken, they'd be called the Freakin' Everywhere Prairie Chicken, and there would be a chain of drive-throughs called Kentucky Fried Prairie Chicken selling Prairie Chicken nuggets.

                  It's been nearly a century since the last passenger pigeon died and nobody is crying that there is one less flying rat to crap on cars. Boo-freakin'-hoo.

                  • 6 votes
                  Reply#9 - Sat Dec 1, 2012 4:37 PM EST

                  Pellet gun and a shovel should take care of Woody. Be careful though if you bury them on your property you'll likely be fined by the EPA for polluting the groundwater and the state will fine and throw you in jail for running a cementary with out the proper license and business permits. Sounds like your screwed one way or the other!

                  • 5 votes
                  #9.1 - Sat Dec 1, 2012 5:31 PM EST

                  They were Freaking Everywhere until humans destroyed their habitat. Do you think god is ok with us wiping out one of his species?

                  • 3 votes
                  #9.2 - Sat Dec 1, 2012 6:00 PM EST

                  Love watching the squirrels running around, but when they get into my tomatoes?

                  Rocket J is getting a pellet in his furry little behind.

                  To all the horrified masses; I only pump it 5 times, and aim for their butts. At the range I working with, my kill rate is zero, it only stings, and tells them that the garden is a very unsafe place to be. I don't want to off them, just make them leave. Or stay in the neighbors yard!

                    #9.3 - Sat Dec 1, 2012 7:43 PM EST

                    That is still excessive force. You only need to pump it twice.

                      #9.4 - Sat Dec 1, 2012 10:17 PM EST

                      Re: Theo-3270314 "They were Freaking Everywhere until humans destroyed their habitat. Do you think god is ok with us wiping out one of his species?"

                      Dear Theo: According to Genesis 1:28, God said to Adam & Eve that He gave them "dominion over every living thing" including the "birds of heaven." Later, in Genesis 7:4, he told Noah that He would "wipe off the face of the Earth every living thing that I have made." So, yeah, I would say this it is okay by God to finish off a species. At least, according to Him. I would also like to point out that nowhere in the Sermon on the Mount did Jesus say, "Blessed are the Woodpeckers and Lesser Prairie Chickens, . . . ."

                      • 3 votes
                      #9.5 - Sun Dec 2, 2012 2:54 PM EST

                      morey, your post literally sickens me. woodpeckers like dead trees to nest in and live in. do you have any of those around or did you cut them all down because they offended you. if you and your friends hate them so much sell your house and move to the city. i seriously hope you get caught and fined if you kill them.

                      • 1 vote
                      #9.6 - Tue Dec 4, 2012 9:28 AM EST
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                      Comment author avatarMichael Aufenkampvia Facebook

                      The guy blaming the hunters obviously doesn't understand how hunting works in this day and age. If you want to eradicate a certain species from an area, the LAST thing you want to do is allow us to hunt it.

                      • 3 votes
                      Reply#10 - Sat Dec 1, 2012 4:38 PM EST

                      I think it's the cold causing the birds to stop breeding. We need to warm up the climate about 10 degrees to put them in the mood.

                      • 5 votes
                      Reply#11 - Sat Dec 1, 2012 4:44 PM EST

                      CHUCKLE!

                      • 1 vote
                      #11.1 - Sat Dec 1, 2012 4:52 PM EST
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                      I have never seen a lesser prairie chicken in my entire life. The land they occupy is valuable for the continuation of the American dream. Oil and gas drilling has kept Texas solvent for a long time. I believe the oil and gas entities have a right to say 'no to protecting them. This is just like the bleeding hearts in NYC mounting a movement to protect those 'cute little prairie dogs' a few years back. If someone wants a prairie chicken, let them support a flock of them in their yard.

                      • 3 votes
                      Reply#12 - Sat Dec 1, 2012 4:51 PM EST

                      omg the ignorance on the thread is scary. you have never seen one because they a scarce because we have let farmers and energy and development decimate their habitat. enough is enough. this earth is not our alone. open your eyes and see what we are losing

                        #12.1 - Tue Dec 4, 2012 9:32 AM EST
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                        Sorry, but knowing many ranchers in the Texas area, they are the best stewards of our land. So referencing that protecting this bird would be a problem for the Ranchers is absurd. The ranchers have lived in harmony with many a species for a very long time. It is the greedy land-raping gas and oil "people" who are most intersted in promoting the extinction of any and all species provided their demise line their wallets.

                        • 2 votes
                        Reply#13 - Sat Dec 1, 2012 5:07 PM EST

                        Rare bird??? never! you can enjoy beef pink in the middle but always make sure pork & poultry are completly cooked.

                        • 5 votes
                        Reply#14 - Sat Dec 1, 2012 5:11 PM EST

                        Good one!

                        • 1 vote
                        #14.1 - Sat Dec 1, 2012 5:23 PM EST
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                        If someone tries to ruin my life over an animal i would be pretty pissed off. If i have to choose between my livelihood, my loved one's livelihood, or an animal i would always be against the animal. They would have to compensate me big time to convince me to give up my livelihood. It really aggravates me when people want to summarily protect a given animal species while not taking into account whether or not such a move could destroy people's lives.

                        • 3 votes
                        Reply#15 - Sat Dec 1, 2012 5:13 PM EST

                        To all the idiots that voted for him.......

                        Good for you!

                        • 1 vote
                        Reply#16 - Sat Dec 1, 2012 5:14 PM EST

                        Anyone know how they taste?

                        • 1 vote
                        Reply#17 - Sat Dec 1, 2012 5:15 PM EST

                        Like chicken???

                        • 3 votes
                        #17.1 - Sat Dec 1, 2012 5:24 PM EST

                        Like grouse.

                        Endangered status: The lesser prairie-chicken is listed as threatened in Colorado. Populations have declined dramatically throughout their range during the past several decades, and biologists estimate that only about 50,000 breeding birds remain nationwide. As with the other prairie grouse species, the reason for the decline is a loss of native prairie landscapes because of land being converted to agricultural use and overgrazing.

                        http://wildlife.state.co.us/WildlifeSpecies/Profiles/Birds/Pages/LesserPrairieChicken.aspx

                        • 1 vote
                        #17.2 - Mon Dec 3, 2012 4:54 PM EST

                        Thanks, Bassai!

                        So it is not a new issue. Though most against protections seem surprised actions are being considered at a Federal Level now. And act as though no such threats exist.

                        Did not think so.

                        Who are the alarmists again?

                          #17.3 - Mon Dec 3, 2012 6:22 PM EST

                          Definitely not a new issue, it goes back many decades. Nonetheless I am not convinced that a shot gun approach by the Feds is the solution.

                            #17.4 - Tue Dec 4, 2012 11:28 AM EST

                            A reasonable objection without insults! You are definately getting an FR. Always good when people contribute to discussion rather than just blast ignorance.

                            I do feel that if we do not do more to prevent this trend of closing out undisturbed expanses regardless of the chcken/grouse, woodpecker, lizard, turtle, water basin, old growth or native dune, what have you, then we have proven the cycle of Man is unconcerned about looking towards a responsible future, let alone present/past, in which we do not directly push to extinction most of those species plentiful in the not so distant past. Mosquitos, fleas, bedbugs, lice, rats, etc I would not miss so much.

                            :)

                            Just do not have time to see the glaciers that have and are disappearing, make it to the last coral gardens, swim in water you can drink without getting ill after 51 years of seeing it go to @!$%# around the World. So I do have a soft spot for those things being wiped out since my own childhood, and wish for my daughter to enjoy some after I die.

                            It doesn't look real good...

                            Peace.

                              #17.5 - Thu Dec 6, 2012 7:29 PM EST
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                              Screw the feds and secede. This is a VERY good reason to leave the United States. This would spell the complete devastation of the economies of Texas, New Mexico, and Oklahoma. These States should stand their ground and leave the United States if the tyrants from the US government attempt this. Millions of lives would be destroyed by this, either the government should find another solution, or the benefit of being a US citizen will no longer exist for New Mexicans, Texans, and Oklahomans ------- time to quit the Union.

                              • 4 votes
                              Reply#19 - Sat Dec 1, 2012 5:40 PM EST

                              Nothing but a bunch of sky is falling hysteria. If the species is "listed" hardly anyone will notice any change. Get a grip.

                              As for the seceding thing - do you have to be a texan to sign it? I want to help them go if I can.

                              • 4 votes
                              #19.1 - Sat Dec 1, 2012 6:05 PM EST

                              As I said, we'd like to thank the EPA for expanding the ranks of Texas nationalism.

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                              #19.2 - Sat Dec 1, 2012 6:07 PM EST

                              I was thinking the same thing. Too bad that the so-called 'environmentalists' aren't an endangered species. The world would be a better place without them.

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                              #19.3 - Sat Dec 1, 2012 6:54 PM EST

                              The world would be a better place without them.

                              Pretty harsh, Tammy.

                              It must hurt to not be able to accept that the fact that the opposite is happening is true.

                              For better or worse, it is.

                              Why did the chicken cross the road?

                              Peace

                                #19.4 - Sun Dec 2, 2012 3:57 PM EST
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                                Texans and New Mexicans should go out and kill ALL remaining lesser prairie chickens in order to preserve their livelihoods.

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                                Reply#20 - Sat Dec 1, 2012 5:43 PM EST

                                It always amazes me how people use their brains when confronting an issue like this. Weighing the pros and cons of an issue and making a good decision seems to elude so many. Seeing people prioritize animals over humans to the point of encouraging abortion of our own young is utterly disgusting. The inability to weigh the advantages of modern technology and how it has benefitted people and improved millions of lives is astounding. I have one simple statement for those who make these priorities...you sick $#@@# may you be dealt with harshley when your creator sets judgement on your soul.

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                                Reply#21 - Sat Dec 1, 2012 5:44 PM EST

                                The biggest endangered species is fossil fuel - and for good reason.

                                Praise be the day oil, natural gas, and coal are gone. As for the jobs that dry up for that - how did Darwin put it, survival of the fittest? And, to any conservative prudes who don't "cotton" to my sentiments here, enjoy a Merry Christmas and a happy New Year. Remember, Obama and the Dems' are still in power come January. Do have a pleasant holiday.

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                                Reply#22 - Sat Dec 1, 2012 5:51 PM EST

                                Jin, with that attitude, I can see why you voted for Obama.

                                PS: Go live in a cave and live off the land. You know, do your part and conserve.

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                                #22.1 - Sat Dec 1, 2012 6:03 PM EST
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                                Humans are animals too.

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                                Reply#23 - Sat Dec 1, 2012 6:01 PM EST

                                Yes, but at >7 billion I don't think we can claim we need any kind of protection.

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                                #23.1 - Sat Dec 1, 2012 6:52 PM EST
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                                I'd like to thank the EPA and its boss for their support of Texas independence. Every heavy-handed tyrannical move you make recruits more Texans into our ranks.

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                                Reply#24 - Sat Dec 1, 2012 6:06 PM EST

                                Win-Win situation.

                                  #24.1 - Sat Dec 1, 2012 7:18 PM EST
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                                  This is the tail wagging the dog. Lesser prairie chickens can be restored by (a) creating habitat on lands where they've been lost and (b) farming them, that is breeding them, and (c) marking the new habitats off limits to hunting. Eastern Kansas was devoid of wild turkeys for many years. Now they're back in numbers safe enough to hunt. There are areas where common game birds are not allowed to be hunted. They are farmland that has been left with grain on it. The birds will fly in high, circle over it, slowly spiraling down to land. They take off in the reverse manner.

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                                  Reply#25 - Sat Dec 1, 2012 6:11 PM EST

                                  Tree huggers don't understand that! They're mostly all knee jerk reactionists.

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                                  #25.1 - Sat Dec 1, 2012 6:33 PM EST

                                  Don't get out much? Don't SCUBA dive? Don't live near any dead creeks? Not in a drought zone, either??

                                  Lucky you.

                                  The rest of us know that we have to protect our greatly diminished resources, especially our Ecosystems, Esturaries, Prairie Lands, Old Wood Forests and Animal Species from being finished off. If left to the devices of those reaping the immense profits, which I do not begrudge their making healthy return on investment, ther would be nothing left.

                                  Get a grip, because it is a Puppet Show that has your attention, not some damned chicken. You like Punch, I like Judy.

                                  In one ear and out the other.

                                    #25.2 - Sun Dec 2, 2012 4:08 PM EST
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                                    Maybe we should try to make this a win-win situation.... Develop more sensitive methods of Petroleum development, so we do not make a bunch of West Texans impovished....

                                    And Old Doc, despite your hunger to get the big greedy executive, punitive ecological measures hurt the common worker, NOT the big greedy executive... And please grow up about making the GOP extinct... They have as much a right to exist as you.....

                                    Try being a Democrat, not a Nazi please......

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                                    Reply#26 - Sat Dec 1, 2012 6:12 PM EST
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