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Subscribe to RSSCASPER, Wyo. -- Police released more details Saturday of a grisly murder-suicide at a Wyoming community college, saying a man shot his father in the head with a bow and arrow in front of a computer science class not long after fatally stabbing his father's live-in girlfriend at their home a couple miles away.
Computer science instructor James Krumm, 56, may have saved some of his students' lives Friday by giving them time to flee while trying to fend off his son, Christopher Krumm, 25, of Vernon, Conn., Casper Police Chief Chris Walsh said.
"I can tell you the courage that was demonstrated by Mr. Krumm was absolutely without equal," he said, adding that his actions could offer some measure of comfort to those affected by the killings.
He said police still were trying to figure out what motivated Christopher Krumm to attack his father and girlfriend, 42-year-old Heidi Arnold, a math instructor at the college. Arnold was found stabbed to death in front of the home she shared with James Krumm.
After shooting his father with the arrow, Christopher Krumm stabbed himself, then fatally stabbed his father in the chest in a struggle in the classroom, Walsh said.
Police arrived to find James Krumm dead and Christopher Krumm barely living; the younger Krumm died soon after students fled in a panic. Authorities locked down the campus for two hours.
Reports began coming in about the attack on Arnold soon after the campus attack.
Christopher Krumm had smuggled the compound bow — a type much more powerful and effective for hunting than a simple, wooden bow — onto campus beneath a blanket, Walsh said.
He said Krumm also had two knives with him.
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If a gun was involved we would have 600 comment per hour. A bow and arrow, 0 comments in 16 minutes.
Because if a gun was involved there could have been three times the deaths.
You guys are f&cking idiots; clearly this was a crime of passion with the motive to kill his father and his father's girlfriend...If that were the case, he would have shot others with the bow as well. If he had a firearm, the score would still be three dead: His father's girlfriend, his father, and then himself.
You anti-gun advocates out there salivate at the next event where a criminal goes on a shooting spree to speak up and try to prevent us law-abiding citizens from our right to own firearms. Go f&ck yourselves like the sheep you are; I refuse to be a victim.
>:-\
Wow Chris Krumm wa a huge a-hole.
If only he had a gun, he could have killed so many more people. What a missed opportunity.
@ tryreality you have a point
This type of crime is rare in WY----EVEN or ESPECIALLY with a gun. Mostly those who try it are from away.
Sorry dude. I'll connect the dots for you and those like o.o below. Senseless killing of innocents such as this tragedy require increasingly psychologically fragile Americans and a weapon of destruction. In this case, a bow used for killing or sport. Guns are, however, the most readily available weapon and will continue to be the weapon at hand for most for further tragedies thanks to the lobbying efforts of the gun industry, NRA and concealed carry folks.
So what you're telling us Kama', is that you'd prefer to live in a society where only thugs, bangers, and sociopaths have guns.
Good solution, especially since the bad guys have far more fire power than cops.
BTW, guns are not the most readily available weapon. For that you have to go to the kitchen. There are at least a couple of dozen in mine.
If taking out large number of people were the intent, no doubt he would have used a gun. He came to school to kill one person- his father, and maybe himself.
Ah Wyoming. Like Texas...such wonderful people...
Unfortunately, jakatze, so many of the people who think they are "normal" gun owners ARE sociopaths. I know too many people with NRA window stickers who fit that bill...
Crazies always come out of the cracks during peace time. Nothing makes people as sane a real bloody war.
Savagery" I wonder if he road his horse bareback to the school..
Crazies always come out of the cracks during peace time. Nothing makes people as sane a real bloody war.
Or, perhaps the crazies, just go off to war?
The crazies don't go off to war: Some of them send the best and brightest and the most honorable to war, like the parcel carry-out kid in the grocery store, who wanted to be a medical doctor if he survived, and hoped that the G.I. Bill would help him.
You didn't see then Vice-president Dick Cheney fight in Iraq, did you?
"There have been only three good wars: The Revolutionary War, World War II and the Star Wars trilogy." ~Bart Simpson
Nice going on marginalizing the entire population of two states, and characterizing gun owners as sociopaths. I'm certain you're an intellectual with advanced useless degrees. It's just that you are also an a$$-whole.
@ElkMeadow
I agree with your post and I only have a problem with your Bart Simpson quote. Lol
No wars are ever good (only of course the Star Wars Trilogy) But that the WWll was a good war is as crazy as Mr Krumm's actions.
Sorry Bart Simpson ;)
He's got a point, he's got a point~!
Baddog
BULL@!$%#!
IWonder-932455
Or become cops.
Survivors have to suffer through another senseless tragedy.
off topic:
It doesn't take much to spool some of you up does it? You'll use whatever tragedy that's convenient to spew your bar-stool political/social views.
"It doesn't take much to spool some of you up does it? You'll use whatever tragedy that's convenient to spew your bar-stool political/social views"
whatever. All I know is I'm sure its Obama's fault.
Next!
O.O = well said - could not have said it better!
The kid just didn't like math.
@Baddog40.....yes...and a suicide bomber with a vest could have got them all....it's not the weapon...it's the PERSON......when are you guys gonna learn??
Dumbya Bush didn't either. Hell, even when he had a chance to be a man, while in the National Guard, he tucked tail and ran like a coward from his National Guard post, riding on Daddy's coattails -- all to make sure Little Dumbya didn't get hurt...
jesus h nipple on a biscuit -- what a POS that guy turned out to be!
He just didn't like his father taking up with another woman.
How many murder-suicides can we cram into one weekend? Only two thus far, that we know of...c'mon America- show the Taliban how it's really done! Since we're sooo much better than those middle east thugs and all.
What a freaking shame.
People have been murdering each other since the beginning of time. Civilian murder is not a result of peace time or war time. It is a result of human nature. Some people just snap, you never know what happened to them as a child or if they accidently ate some molded bread. Others, are mentally ill. Some people are bullied and taunted all their life and just can't take it anymore. Gun control will not prevent anyone from being murdered, nor does the law and neither does God. For all you professors who think you have it figured out, well . . . . you don't.
Wow - this turned out totally different then I thought when it first happened. I thought it would be a love triangle of sorts.
People like to kill.... look at history..... its all wars.... all the way back. We are the victors, the most adaptable, the killer apes.
I love it when people say that if we got rid of all the guns then only bad guys would have guns. LOL, too funny. We pay a militia to carry guns around and protect us, they call them the police, national guard, army, marines, navy air force, so on and so on. To say only bad guys would have guns is just plain silly. Besides, most of the killing is being done by these so called descent people who have gun permits. Remember, can't shoot someone with a gun if you don't own one.
You know...it's amazingly bright when the sun is up - too bad you can't see it with your head so far up your own butt. Get a clue, hug a tree, vote obama in for a 3rd term (if you could). It isn't going to change the fact that gun 'ownership' has nothing to do with someone obtaining a gun for killing.
0.0, I own guns and have them in several countries, including my native U.S. And yes, I have them legally and use them correctly in places other than in America. So, I don't worry about guns; only about gun owners like you who seem to be too unstable.
@Suds. While it's looking less likely, a love triangle could still be a possibility. The lady in question was dating a guy 14 years her senior and it's not out of the realm of possibility that she was dallying with a guy 17 years younger than herself especially in this day of the cougar. I am thinking though it is also a possibility that maybe Chris Crumm was living at his father's home and dad's girlfriend convinced her boyfriend to throw his son out. In fact that one is in the lead with me now as the article says that the woman was dad's live-in girlfriend although I'll admit there is nothing provided yet that says Chris Crumm lived with his father. I just think it's a possibility since there have been many articles about older children moving back in with their parents during hard times in the last decade.
Ban all pointy things!!
Not too many murders committed using bows and arrows these days...
I think more people should use the old standbys, like garrotes, stilettos, and paving stones, as it keeps it much more personal, and requires that you physically engage your victim, even if only for a second. The sense of satisfaction you get from a shiv well-placed is much greater than that from the near-anonymity of firing a projectile from a distance. You actually get to feel something, such as their blood running onto your shoes, or the twitching of their body as you tighten that garrote, or that last look up as the paving stone comes crashing down on the seam between the parietal and frontal bones, performing a crude, but effective lobotomy. Nobody seems to take much pride in their work anymore.
All work and no play makes Mymomdidnotraiseafool a dull boy.
All work and no play makes Mymomdidnotraiseafool a dull boy.
All work and no play makes Mymomdidnotraiseafool a dull boy.
All work and no play makes Mymomdidnotraiseafool a dull boy.
All work and no play makes Mymomdidnotraiseafool a dull boy.
All work and no play makes Mymomdidnotraiseafool a dull boy.
All work and no play makes Mymomdidnotraiseafool a dull boy.
All work and no play makes Mymomdidnotraiseafool a dull boy.
All work and no play makes Mymomdidnotraiseafool a dull boy.
( Psst...get the net ready!)
All work and no play makes Mymomdidnotraiseafool a dull boy.
All work and no play makes Mymomdidnotraiseafool a dull boy.
I think it might have went like this." All play and no work makes me crazy and broke and you won't give me more money.''
and where is the why.....?
We need to ban all sharp and/or pointy objects immediately- they are evil objects. Nobody needs to have a bunch of sharp and/or pointy objects- they're only good for one thing: killing a bunch of people. This is yet another victory for all those sharp and/or pointy object nuts, who won't be satisfied until there's blood running down our streets like a river, from all of their sharp and/or pointy objects.
If that were the case, we'd have to ban the top of your head.
Good thing he didn't have a Toyota Pious. He could have run over and killed anyone within 526 miles of him before even having to reload.
Nobody needs cars with that kind of fuel range- they're only good for killing lots of people.
We need regulation of high-capacity fuel tanks, and we need additional regulation to ban all of these assault hybrids, especially the ones with fully-automatic transmissions.
People should be required to buy Obama Motors Volts. They only go 40 miles before they need to be recharged, lessening the number of people they can run over.
But john, what about their spontaneous combustion? The ones they don't run over, they might burn to death!
Wow -- still bitter and licking your wounds, just because your whacko, Magic-Underwear Mormon Cultist didn't find his way to the White House. Some of you people really are tragic little crybabies...
Go suckle on your mommy for comfort...
Maybe in four years, you guys can put another Bush (Jeb) into the oval office, and completely destroy this nation's economy a second time...
No way DMorgan..Hillary got 2016 won already, the GOP has the slightest idea who they can run in 2020!
DMorgan, How wonderful it must be to be able to judge an entire state by the actions of one individual who happened to be born here. I chose to live in Wyoming. I stand by that decision. I can leave my front door unlocked at night and not have to worry about it. Can you say the same of where you live? I can leave my vehicle unlocked, with the keys in it, and don't have to worry that someone would take it. Could you? We have low taxes, and a balanced state budget. We have one of the lowest crime rates in the nation. We have plenty of wide open spaces to enjoy nature. You know, on, second thought, you're right. It sucks here. Just stay away.
Jimbo, you can usually do that in sparsely populated areas. Any sparsely populated area. After all WY is the least populated state in America with the 10th largest land mass.
Imagine everyone's surprise!
Gladly! Thanks for the reminder!
Another very disturbing story to say the least. One can only wonder what caused this young man to snap and turn on his own father in such a violent fit of rage? Sounds like the father tried his best to fight for his life and those of his students. Sad! :(
family feuds becoming a deadly mix .... I love my dog, she is my best friend and I love the life I live w/ her, she is the best bitch I ever had as a companion, no money problems, no arguments, no issues, just great concerns for each other .... adopt one freely from your local pet shelter, and your life will become good, healthier and did I mention "the happiest"!
p@yahoo.com-(adopt one freely from your local pet shelter, and your life will become good, healthier and did I mention "the happiest"!)
Animals require a great deal of time, love and expenses. Far more then many people realize.They also cause problems people never anticipated because many people don't take the time to educate themselves on what animals actually need specifically. Such as social behaviors, adequate diets, enough companionship and proper discipline Leading to problems within both within their communities and nationally recognized problems such as unwanted pets needing to be destroyed, barking issues, bites, animal abuse and attacks.Research has found, those who are required to invest funds in animals up front as pets, tend to be better caretakers then those can't afford to pay anything.But they can enrich lives greatly when properly cared for.
People who have mental health issues or violence issues aren't going to magically have them vanish with a pet. They will still act them out, only on pets. While Family feuds have been around since man has been. This tragic case would have happened no matter what era, with whatever weapons or means were available. We don't know the reasons, but cases have been recorded going back thousands of years of family members killing each other for different reasons. Including lovers, royalty such as kings, pharaohs and the like. It's simply in our human nature to find reasons mixed with our emotions. I hope those who are now struggling with the terrible consequences of this recent event will be able to find some measure of peace in the coming days ahead.
Windancersong -
So people with mental health conditions are all violent animal abusers? WOW. Just...wow. I'm used to seeing ignorance on these boards, but your comment is one of the absolute worst. A very SMALL percentage of people with mental illnesses are violent people - we only hear about the violent ones ad nauseam in the media. To infer that every mentally ill person will eventually butcher their pets and/or family members is disgusting.
Guess he couldn't, or didn't want to, find a gun. Strange.
yes, you are starting to get the idea. Senseless killing of innocents such as this tragedy require increasingly psychologically fragile Americans and a weapon of destruction. In this case, a bow used for killing or sport. Guns are, however, the most readily available weapon and will continue to be the weapon at hand for most for further tragedies thanks to the lobbying efforts of the gun industry, NRA and concealed carry folks.
Did you really just say that guns are easier to get than a compound bow? Violent people are going to be violent whether they have a gun or not.
Kama,
I will remind you again, just so you get it into your thick anti gun head. Guns are not the most readily available weapon. The weapon that was used in this case was a "KNIFE". Read the article before you go on a rant. He killed his fathers girlfriend with a "KNIFE". He then shot his Dad with an aroow and the Stabbed himself and then killed his Dad with a "KNIFE". I can go into any home, business, or government facility anywhere and find this weapon of mass destruction. So let's start an Anti-Knife coalition and start lobbying to ban all knifes in the world. These weapons are truely the most deadliest weapon of mass destruction because they actually cause the most destruction in the world.
The guy was an adult, why not just move from the area if he hated them that much?
He did read the article he was from Vernon Conn. You post but do not read.
So it isn't Wyoming people doing the killing, it is those crazies from back east who voted for Obama.
One point seems to be missing. If you are anti-gun, please continue reading. This is Wyoming. A hunter's paradise. Guns are part of the culture. We enjoy some of he most open gun laws in the country, yet we have little gun-related crime. This disturbed young man used a compound bow and a knife to perform these heinous and tragic acts. Do you not think he would have been able to EASILY obtain a gun? In my little town of 10,000 people, there are a dozen places to buy a gun. That doesn't even touch the ones sold in the classified ads every day. A good quality compound bow costs nearly as much as an inexpensive handgun, and more than a quality hunting rifle. And, for the record, I am a combat veteran who does NOT own a gun or hunt. I choose NOT to exercise my right to do so. I do, however, believe in the Constitution and it's Bill of Rights. It's not so much about the right to bear arms as it is intruding upon the rights of others. We have already lost rights provided for in the Constitution. The more we do so, the more we not only tread upon the sacrifices made by our founding fathers, but we also set precedent for the Federal Government to pick and choose which rights we are actually allowed to have.
Gun related crime IS a problem. However, gun control is obviously not the answer. It just plain doesn't work. It merely provides the black market with another opportunity to make money. Do you honestly believe that a gang member is concerned with gun control laws? Do you honestly believe any gang bangers belong to the NRA? How many perpetrators of these gun related crimes read hunting magazines? How many could even tell you what the acronym NRA stands for?
Honesty and reason are foreign concepts to the anti-firearm liberal nitwits.
You wonder what is the back story. Since the son seemed to live in Conn on the east coast and not Wyoming, there are all sorts of unanswered questions here. I am sorry that three people died but I don't think this is a case similar to Aurora.
For all those contemplating Murder- Suicide, Please do the right thing. Do the suicide first.
It sure seems like 95% of these murder-suicide, mass killing cowards are in their early to mid-20’s. Just saying.
My opinion: I bet the kid and his dad's girlfriend were getting it on or she was interfering with his life with his dad.
Since he killed his Dad, my bet is that he was doing his dads girlfriend and it went too far.
Drugs, Alcohol, or Sex -- one of those three - Maybe all three?
What a absolute shame..
Are you a track star? 'Cause the way you jump to conclusions is Olympic-worthy.
OR COULD BE:
He Worshipped Satin
He Hated Teachers
He Heard Voices
He Was A Vampire Wannabe
OR JUST POSIBLY, HE SUFFERED FROM A MENTAL ILLNESS...PERHAPS???
MAYBE somebody who knew him will shed some "FACTUAL" light on the story?
Condolences to the family and friends of all 3 victims. :(
Gotta watch those Satin worshipers. Down with silky smooth fabrics!
JACF.............. Do your really believe he could have worshipped satin or did you mean satan. I'm particularly fond of the silky fabric when my wife is wearing it.
Well, I never liked Teachers either. Of course, I refer to the Scotch Whisky by that name. You'll never see me wearing satin anything. Hearing voices is commonplace among those with functioning hearing, and enables verbal communication. Not hearing voices is where problems start. Is Vampire Wannabe a new sect of Islam? Yes, it is possible he suffered from a MENTAL ILLNESS, and I believe the DSM code for it is most likely 666, which is a psychiatrist's shorthand for being completely frigging nuts.
Man, I'm glad I never had kids...what a krummy thing to do.
Holy crap, I can't believe I actually gave you a thumbs up for that (I'm so ashamed)...mom was right, I really do have a warped sense of humor sometimes. :O
I almost couldn't do it, but nobody ever said my sense of anything was run of the mill.
Hey, without folks like us there'd just be more whack jobs out there killing each other! Gotta see the humor or we'll all go nuts!!!!!! ;D
What motivated him? Dad meets new girl..spoiled brat 25 year old son gets jealous..kills both!
At the age of 25, he should of had his own life and responsibilities at least the last seven years!
mike, No matter the age! Something motivated him to do this. Don't be judgemental when you know nothing.
You're right. We shouldn't judge someone who murdered two people.
I'm sorry. I really should be more understanding and sympathetic towards the murderer.
How callous of me.
Haven't you heard, children are supposed to be dependent on their parents untill they're 26.
Many mental illnesses set in between the ages of 18-29, give or take a couple of years. I can't help but wonder if this is not what occurred. Until we get the whole backstory, we can only suppose. This was a terrible tragedy. Many sympathies and condolences to the families.
I bet it's going to boil down to money. Dad has new girlfriend, son worries they may marry and kill his inheritance chances...
My prayers are for the victims and their families. They're going to have to find a way to go on without their loved ones. Please don't for get their families and friends and pray for peace and healing.
Peace.
Family feud. Obviously a big problem. He should have gone to God with this problem and asked for HELP.God said, come to me with your poblems. It works, it did for me.
Unto each his own...sex, drugs and rock n roll worked for me. Happy as a clam!
He could have turned to smoking weed, kinda hard to kill somebody with a twinkie! ;)
It can be done, just takes a while.
WTF, That's so true. My brother's best friend had a heart attack about this time last year. He never dated, just worked, smoked weed and ate (mostly honey buns, twinkies & little debbies)...I always joked that Kenny lost his virginity to Little Debbie. My brother was the one who found him. Only 47, but he died living the way he wanted I guess?
Some people just can't imagine that something like that is going to happen to them. Way too young...Little Debbie has a snack for you!
Looking for a motive? Two words - "Mamma's Boy".
Well at least he didn't use a, now wait for it...here it comes.....GUN!
So can we all have a hurray from the anti-second amendment nuts?
Choice of weapons sure changed from last night's stories.
This is just too bizarre.
Dude probably watched The Walking Dead. Life imitates art, and there's several bow shots to the head every week on that show.
This man killed his father and his father's girlfriend before killing himself. An NFL player killed his girlfriend then himself. That's just two of who knows how many murder/suicides committed this day. The original poster was correct, if a gun had been used then the typical calls for bans on firearms would have gone out. For a society that is immersed in violence, from news to television to video games, is it any wonder that these incidents continue to occur?
Nothing like this ever happens here, I live in Casper.
Whot a buncha idjits.
Why is the question? Us bloggers get no respect on hearing the real story of why this idiot did this.
I suspect using a bow was symbolic of something between the two. An "inside joke" so to speak.
We'll find out in the weeks ahead (maybe).
Bows and arrows should be outlawed. The right to bear arms does not apply to lethal weapons like compound or cross bows. Automatic assault rifles...that's another story. Every red blooded American should have one around the house.