The military has never been a sacred place, why would we expect it to change its ways. We can expect the more such occurrences to happen in the future.

What a disgrace.

What a sad day for West Point! Moral decay reaches all levels.

Congratulations to the happy couple, and it is an honor for all Americans to be able to host the occasion for Brenda in recognition of her service to her country.

America stands for freedom and until we are all free,none of us are.

Ridiculous.

Why couldn't this same sex Military couple get married without all the publicity. Frankly, I'm tired each time there is Publicity about Same Sex Marriage Couples--what about Heterosexual Marriages--the "Publicity". Where is theirs?---Marriage is Marriage--

We are all equal human beings--it's time to "Move On" from dwelling on these Marriages.

And I am NOT AGAINST GAYS!!!! Let's get to the Core of Healing this Country from all the Serious Problems we have.

Let the Enquirer, and the other Tabloids present this news.

Frankly True

Please don't speak for all Americans. It is not an honor. Speak for yourself only. You do not represent me, nor my family, nor the over 340 million other citizens of this nation. Many who would find this an abomination. A slap in the face and black mark against the family values which form the foundation of civil societies which should help to mold the future generations. If one wants to know why there is so much crime and corruption in our country, it is because of the lack of moral character and values. Including sexual. So please, don't represent everyone and say it is an honor. Without a higher authority then man himself, the one true God who is man?

your not speaking for this american. i find this whole thing disgusting and morally reprehensible.

thank you for your time

Please, can even one of you name a substantive way you've been harmed by this??? Seriously, get over yourselves.

I do have to say though, it is funny to watch your heads spinning.

And Marchant, if you don't want to hear about it anymore here's two ideas for you...

1. Don't click on the article, and then take the time to post, no less.

2. Afford all gay people their rights and it will no longer be news.

I'm just picturing Douglas MacArthur spinning in his grave :D

pained1

Nothing is sacred,certainly not there

I couldn't disagree more.

The very things our military fights for and protects, liberty, freedom, civil rights and more were all celebrated this day.

Congrats to the newlyweds and equal congrats to our nation for taking the appropriate steps to bring our military culture into the 21st century.

First, this was a civil union, under the guise of a wedding. Only God can make a marriage.

Truett,

Then why can I go get married without ever having stepped foot in a church? Why can atheists marry? Why, when you get married, even in a church, the pastor/preacher/priest says, "By the power vested in me, by the STATE of..."?

YOUR God can make all the Holy Matrimony he wants. He doesn't have much to do with marriage though.

P.S. Truett,

Geez, you must feel so futile knowing that YOUR opinion of what is/isn't a marriage is completely moot in the face of it's legality vested through the state. Perhaps you should loosen that cowboy hat and get over yourself a bit???

Oh Oh, here comes all that hatred that is learned at church every Sunday morning...

Who cares who marries whom?

It's none of any ones business other than the two of them...

Get over the insecurities of your own life and move on...

Boomer,

Aren't you cute? What you fantasize about is none of my business, but it is a bit creepy.

I find it discusting and really creepy.

I can give a flying hoot about this. I'm just getting tired of all this gay-ness being shoved in our faces constantly by the media and by Hollywood. Seriously, how many TV shows are out now concerning gay couples? It also seems every reality show must now have at least one token gay or lesbian on it. Seriously, there's a higher percentage of gays portrayed on TV and reported in the news than their are living in the general population. Who cares.

Now stop penalizing me with more taxes just because I am single to pay for married couples!

What really upsets me now are these new freaking Facebook ads that keep popping up and covering news stories that force you to expand them just to delete them so you can read the article. Facebook is really becoming an intrusive problem for people to be able to freely interact on the Internet - it's such an anti-social social media!

Disgusting. Two perverts with no sense of decency...hope no children saw that.

Get back in the closet where you belong...please!.

I find it disconcerting and creepy that the public was never fully informed, or that Sarah, the genie from the homosexual lamp, appears everytime heterosexual opinion rubs her bias the wrong way. The full title of the policy was don't ask, don't tell, don't harass, don't pursue. It makes me sick that the straw man, created through the persecution complex of a deluded majority, was enough to sway the masses. There really was no job in the military that required the disclosure of one's orientation, and while gays whined that nonchalant heterosexual proclivity, to recount sexual exploits, was free to boast anytime or anyplace, the truth was that no soldier in the military was free from the policy on harassment. At any time any of those brave homosexuals could have simply said, "Hey bud, could you
keep it down."

Their failure to use it falls on their own cowardice rather than heterosexual bullying. Rather than bravely use the harassment policy, they cowardly acted to remove the policy that prohibited them from being loud and proud about homosexuality. A giant leviathan was made concerning all the irreplaceable gay
soldiers released from the military, under an archaic policy, harkening back to the days of uncle to days of Uncle Tom's cabin, but truthfully, less than 1% of the military had been discharged under the policy. As though heterosexual soldiers can't learn a foreign language, were unable to rescue a fallen comrade,
and stood idly by on the battlefield while the gay Calvary swooped over the horizon, rainbow flag billowing in the wind.

Who cares who marries whom? For that matter, who cares who stops at a street light, I don't have to pay for their accident. I'm bulletproof, and a collision from a speedy car refusing to stop at a red light will never happen to me. Who cares who robs a store? I'm theft proof; I can never be robbed at gunpoint. Just because an action has seemingly benign consequences, doesn't make that action harmless. Who cares that homosexuality can still be considered a mental illness --provided a person feels distress, People should
be allowed to marry who they have strong feelings for.

You mean who they have the consent of, right?

No,it's who they love.

So love is the issue?

Yes.

Ok, so what stops a pedophile group from using the same justification to legalize their behavior in the name of love?

Uhhhh?

P.s I'm also currently in the military.

The only Moral Decay I see here are from those So-Called Christians espousing their hate and bigotry in the comments. You can see the internal rot they must be suffering from that much TAUGHT hate and bigotry. Honestly I feel sorry for people like that because they are so empty they must have something or someone to hate and put down to cover the pain and fill the void caused by that internal rot.

I see a better America and an America that follows what the founding fathers of our country wanted in Life, Liberty and the persuit of Happiness with EQUALITY FOR ALL when I see the picture of those two women getting married.

I see a rotting and decaying America that in no way engenders what the founding fathers envisioned when I see the hate and bigotry posted by the so-called Christians about this.

@amazed

Disgusting. Two perverts with no sense of decency...hope no children saw that.

Get back in the closet where you belong...please!.

It's funny, the gay couples I know are a heck of a lot more moral and have a stronger sense of decency then the likes of so called Christians like you.

You sanctimonious twitts have a lot to learn about both of those subjects. Know what the good news is? Over 50% of the country thinks this is OK and quite frankly, we could care less what you think. You just don't have the moral ground to stand on, it's that simple, quite like the likes of you.

ItIsWhat!t!s, you really have no clue about the term "legal consent," and how it DOES play a large part in marriage, including same-sex marriage, as well as nearly all other human interactions, whether they be amorous relationships, friendships, or criminal relationships (i.e., theft, murder, rape, etc.). It is the difference between an "amorous relationship" and "rape"; it is the difference between "friendship" and "harassment"; it is the difference between "borrowing" and "theft"; it is the difference between "suicide" and "murder".

I find it disconcerting and creepy that the public was never fully informed, or that Sarah, the genie from the homosexual lamp, appears everytime heterosexual opinion rubs her bias the wrong way.

I find it just as disconcerting and creepy that, without fail, people like you appear on those same threads. THAT makes you not just a homophobe, but a hypocritical one.

Samantha - What a sad day for West Point! Moral decay reaches all levels.

So your morals don't happen to be others' morals. What makes you right and others filth? Why is this your business?

they got married...lickety split...yeehaw...

@Erin

You know what really puzzles me is why this is all these peoples business. If God doesn't think it's a good idea then these gay couples can work it out with God when they die.

In the mean time, these so called good Christian people should mind their own business. Especially since their idea of Christianity in most cases goes completely in the opposite direction of what the bible says. There is zero love coming out of this gaggle of hypocrites.

@Sandy

Can you be more specific concerning which comment was hateful or bigoted, so that we can judge for ourselves? Straw man fallacy and poisoning the well count as logical fallacies. From what can it be surmised that the founding fathers wanted to guarantee equality for same sex marriage? It’s a recorded fact that a majority of the founding fathers were episcopal, adhering to the same bible as the so-called Christians, the more well-known happened to be deist. Also, it's disingenuous to think that other deviant groups won't follow in the footsteps of homosexuals using the same tactics as the perverts with better slogans. Does your vision of a future Utopia, on a reverse slippery slope, also include human-animal marriage, adult-child marriage? Bestiality is legal in ten states and pedophiles are already trying to have pedophilia removed from the list of mental illnesses.

@Dennis

So, it's only bigotry when it's anti-homosexual? I guess might makes right.

@itis

If we have to explain bigotry to you then I guess all your pseudo-intellectual postings have zero merit. You know as well as the rest of us that the bestiality crap along with the pedophile crap is just that. BS and you know it. This is just garbage spewed because you have zero valid arguments and nothing more.

If you actually believe that BS then you are just the weak minded type they are looking for. You are their demographic. I'm very happy to not be in that demographic.

@Erin

Et tu brute? You mean if someone is not a willing perticipant, they can't be charged? Ever heard of accessory after the fact? The law is a measure by which a person is held accountable. The concept of Legal consent has little to no baring on emotion or consequence. When did homophobia become an actual medical diagnoses? Is there a pill for it? Last time I checked it was just a coined phrase intended to demean heterosexuals. It takes a hypocrite to know one.

@Dennis,

You know as well as the rest of us that the bestiality crap along with the pedophile crap is just that. BS and you know it

Really?

And,

I guess they're weakminded too. So you're saying that pedophile groups, such as NAMBLA, won't want to be seen as natural, the victims of their own desires, and try to present their morbid desires as love? Why not? It worked for gays. According to any deviant group, their desires are based on love as well.

You still have not grasped what "legal consent" means -- and clearly you are not adult enough to have it explained to you.

Come back when you've grown up, ItIsWhat!t!s.

Sarah:

Seems like you are the only one who endorses the blasting of a Gay Marriage every time it happens as Public News---it is NOT news--

I have the right to read, and speak my opinion; Free Speech in this Country.

You're like a "Camp" Counselor; monitoring all the comments here.

The homophobes really need to take some time off and come up with an argument other than their worn out, fallacious "slippery slope". LOL

Sarah-3043284, you can have a “wedding”
and claim to be married without God but it is nothing more than a manmade
union. Nowhere did I say that there had to be a priest, minister, chruch
involved….but for a true marriage, a true joining of two into one there does
have to be God.

Sarah-3043284, you can have a "wedding"
and claim to be married without God but it is nothing more than a manmade
union. Nowhere did I say that there had to be a priest, minister, chruch
involved….but for a true marriage, a true joining of two into one there does
have to be God.

No, there doesn't. A marriage without invoking some higher power is still just as much a marriage

Truett,

See my first post to you. Nothing's changed. Anyone can still get married without invoking any God and/or religion. I know it freaks you out, but THERE'S NOTHING YOU CAN DO ABOUT IT. You can say that and post that all you want, but YOU HAVE NO SAY IN IT.

Marchant,

Just trying to make it easier on you buddy. If you hate that this is news, then why go to the trouble of reading the article AND posting on it. Twice, no less. No one's forcing you to pay attention to this issue. Sorry that I'm calling you out, but it's really simple. Seriously. Just don't read the article.

Itis,

Oh my friend...

First, there are certain "protected classes" laid out in the 14th Amendment and the Civil Rights Act. Two of them are race and gender. In the Supreme Court case Loving v Virginia, SCOTUS ruled that,

Marriage is one of the "basic civil rights of man," fundamental to our very existence and survival....

Now this case was based on race, BUT to support gay marriage, all you have to do is change race to GENDER, another protected class. PLUS, the 14th Amendment has a little something called the "Privileges and Immunities" clause. Which means, you can't deny the citizens, their privileges, or immunities, based on those classes. In this case, that'd be gender.

So, since marriage is a legal (that means law) contract, that comes with PRIVILEGES, you can't deny citizens, without a damn good, already been shown to exist, reason, based on gender, among other things. So, if the state can't prove a reason, to deny privileges to people based on gender, they can't make that particular law.Now, put it together. If two gay people want to enter a contract, and the state tells them they can't, because of the gender of one of the parties, THAT'S A BIG NO NO.

Also, the logic that gay people are free to marry, just as you are, i.e they're free to marry one of the opposite sex, is the EXACT same defense that Virginia used in their defense, again just turn gender to race.

The court ruled, AGAINST that logic.

Second, you have an implied right to privacy, mostly through the 9th and 4th Amendments. In a the SCOTUS case Lawrence v Texas, the court said this...

The Texas statute furthers no legitimate state interest which can justify its intrusion into the personal and private life of the individual.

Third, AGAIN, marriage is a civil contract, that comes with over 1,000 benefits granted by the state. Most of these benefits deal with property, insurance, tax and probate law. Civil unions, do NOT grant equivalent benefits. In order to enter a legal contract, the parties have to have LEGAL CAPACITY FOR INFORMED CONSENT.

Furthermore, marriages are NOT religious, that's Holy Matrimony, which a church can NEVER be forced to perform against its dogma, due to protections in the 1st Amendment. This is why people can, and do, get married any day without ever stepping foot in a church.

Also, marriage has NOTHING to do with procreation. After all, we let people have kids OUTSIDE of marriage, and NOT have kids while married.

Fourth, there are very few limited reasons for the government to discriminate in law, against one of these protected classes, and in order to do so, the government has to pass the test of strict scrutiny, which is that compelling state interest mentioned in Lawrence v Texas.

So....

The real question, those making the case for continuing the gender based discrimination of DOMA is, what is that compelling state interest? And before we start talking about marrying appliances, nephews, sheep, or dead people, ask yourselves this...

Since the only difference between a gay marriage and a straight marriage, is the gender of a single party, what is inherent to that single party's gender which would lead to bestiality, incest, polygamy, pedophilia, or marrying inanimate objects? Remember, you're ONLY changing ONE person's GENDER, so logically, it must be something within that one person's gender, which would lead you to believe gay marriage would open the door to any of those things, so... WHAT IS IT? Why would gay marriage lead to the repeal of the laws we have on the books, banning all those things?

Or, in easier terms...

Why doesn't STRAIGHT marriage lead to any of that?

And technically, the burden of proof is on those limiting rights, (the anti-marriage equality folks), so you all should really be making the case, not us.

Put that in your lamp and rub it, bubba.

Truett, my husband and I have been "joined into one" for the past 30 years -- WITHOUT any "god" being involved. And there are millions of couples just like us.

Your ignorance is only exceeded by your pomposity, it seems. You think that because you state something, that makes it true. WRONG.

Oh, I lived through one of those marriages....but now know the difference.....sadly with your attitudes it is something you will never understand.....

Yup, I'll never understand how someone can be so presumptuous as to think that by merely stating something they have the authority to degrade someone else's relationship, which is absolutely none of their business in the first place.

I will NEVER understand that. Damn you, Truett, you got me!!!

I am not "degrading" your marriage, simply stating that it could be different.

No, you're basically claiming that anyone who doesn't get "married" under YOUR God, isn't really married at all. I guess nullifying would be a better word. Either way, it's presumptuous. And here's a thought, maybe people don't WANT their marriages to be different. Perhaps you should worry about yours and stay out of other people's until they invite you in??? Maybe you DON'T know better what they want and/or need, then they themselves do???

Presumptuous.

I lived through one of those marriages....but now know the difference.....sadly with your attitudes it is something you will never understand....

Then the fault is obviously with you, Truett. I don't need to "understand" your marriage, or that of anyone else, because EVERY marriage is different, Truett, and for you to try to lump all of them together is not only arrogant, but stupid. I know that my marriage has to be better than that of someone like you, because I don't need any "blessing" from an imaginary friend to know that it's right, and I know that I'm married to the person I'm supposed to be with. Not everyone is so lucky -- and it seems to me that most of the people I know who were married with the blessings of their respective churches have not stayed married nearly as long as I have.

Another fault of yours: feeling the need to belittle others' lives because they do not follow any organized religion, or allow it to dictate their thoughts, behavior, and daily activities. It is pretty pathetic to me that you seem to need guidance and validation from your imaginary friend and his/her book of fairy tales in order to give meaning to your own empty life.

PS: Yes, I guess my marriage could be "different" -- and pigs could be horses, too, I guess.

Sarah-3043284 No, I am saying there are different kinds of marriages. Those put together by man and those put together by God and that they are different.

ErinNJ - Some day you might gain a little reading comprehension..... where did I advocate that any marriage must be through any church or organized religion?

Truett,

First, that's not what you said. So there are different kinds??? Great, there's your kind, non-religious kinds and gay marriage. You believe in gay marriage??? Great!

However, I ain't buying that...

That's your problem. No one gives a @!$%# about your God. He's relevant only to you. So when you come on here and tell people they aren't really married, because YOUR God didn't have anything to do with it...

First, this was a civil union, under the guise of a wedding. Only God can make a marriage.

You're taking YOUR, personal beliefs and using them to disparage and nullify other people's marriages, that are NONE of your business. It isn't up to you, and regardless of how many times you say it, IT ISN'T UP TO YOUR GOD.

No one cares about your God. Keep it in your church and your marriage and keep your nose out of other people's business. You are the very definition of PRESUMPTUOUS.

No one cares about your God. You are the very definition of PRESUMPTUOUS.

A bit presumptuous no?

claim to be married without God but it is nothing more than a manmade
union.

Sounds like every marriage in existence.

There are no unions that aren't man-made. Marriage predates religious influence.

As to the rest of the homophobes, if you don't like same-sex marriage, don't get a same-sex marriage. You have yet to provide a shred of evidence supporting your contention that SSM causes any harm to: heterosexual marriage, family cohesion, effective child-rearing. In fact, all evidence points to the exact opposite.

Annon,

No, presumptuous would be if I told him his God was wrong, and I KNOW what the real God is and wants. That'd be presumptuous. Because I'd be presuming to know something that I can't prove and is none of my business. His God becomes my business when he starts using it as a weapon against the equal rights of my citizens. He doesn't want that to happen, then as I told him, keep his God in his marriage.

Apply the "but for" test. But for his attempting to nullify and degrade my fellow citizens and their personal relationships, I would have nothing to say to. What's his "but for"???

Telling someone to butt out, isn't presumptuous. Butting in, in the first place is.

My point is you say God doesn't exist and the other guy says He does. Both are being quite rude to the other in attacking each others point of view. Sometimes it's best to agree to disagree for the sake of civility. I happen to disagree with you on God, but neither am I gonna tear you down for that. I hope that you have a lovely life and while I can appreciate your passion for the things you love and hold dear, I'm not so fond of you when you become nasty. Otherwise you are an awesome debater and you always make your message clear, and I can respect that.

Annon,

Where did I say God doesn't exist or that his belief isn't true to him? I said that HIS version of HIS God is HIS business and he should stop trying to use it against those that don't believe his way.

And, no I don't think anyone should sit silently in the face of an injustice. That's complacency and it's at best ineffectual in trying to achieve progress.

Those put together by man and those put together by God and that they are different.

They're exactly the same, especially in the eyes of the law.

….but for a true marriage, a true joining of two into one there does have to be God.

That's a matter of opinion! Who are you to say if a couple is "truely joined?" What arrogance!

I am not "degrading" your marriage, simply stating that it could be different.

You're implying that a marriage not before god is somehow lesser than yours or not as valid!

A bit presumptuous no?

No! She happens to be spot on! I don't care about his god either, and declaring someone's marrige is "different" depending on whether "god" is involved IS presumptuous. Different in ceremony maybe. But that's about it.

annon-2801871 - My point is you say God doesn't exist and the other guy says He does. Both are being quite rude to the other in attacking each others point of view.

The debate isn't about whether your imaginary friend exists but about whether you can use the state to impose your silly sharia laws on everyone.

Our constitution says you can't do that. It also says that your bizarre cult is irrelevant to our secular government.

Christians don't follow Sharia Law for one and for the other differences in opinion (whether or not God, which one etc exists) don't have to be attacked in a hostile manner from theists or atheists, it's much harder to convince someone you're right when you're nasty about it and do the silly name calling game. It's too hard to take anyone serious when they are being fanatical about any issue, passionate is different than fanatical. You see I can respect Sarah's argument, even tho I don't 100% agree with her, for her side as she does it with respect and tact, you on the other hand skrekk you are too easy to dismiss with your immaturity. For the record I am a Christian and I do believe that everyone should have equal rights in this country as that is the foundation of our nation, I may not agree with all people and their views but I can leave them to live their lives in peace and privacy as long as I am afforded the same respect.

annon-2801871 - Christians don't follow Sharia Law

It doesn't matter which bizarre cult your lowercase sharia law derives from. Whether it's Islamic uppercase Sharia law, Catholic Canon law, Jewish Kosher law, or the Mosaic Code, none of your silly sharia laws can be enforced by our secular government.

But the fact that you want the state to enforce your Christian sharia laws against gays makes you no better than the Afghan Taliban. It also reveals that you're aware that your imaginary sky fairy is impotent, since apparently he needs to be propped up by the state.

I guess reading comprehension isn't your strong suit. I plainly stated that everyone deserves equality as that is the basis of our nation. Never once did I promote any type of religious law overshadowing the laws of our nation and constitution. And again insults never win your argument, you sir, or ma'am, are dismissed.

And yet, no mysterious pilars of salt have appeared anywhere in NY.

We have been in a period of Grace since Christ's crucifixion.... God has promised that America will be paid double for her abominations.... God has never allowed a destruction of a people or nation before first sending His prophets to share the warnings with the people. AMOS 3:7

God's warnings for America's destruction are very clear to those that seek His heart... But to those that deny HIs presences, this knowledge and understanding is veiled.

To read God's judgment for America's future or lack thereof, google: "The Message For America, Hand of Help Ministries." For how I was led to this google: "Watchman On The Wall, America ~ Mystery Babylon?" For America's 2nd major terrorist attack, google; "The Eagle and the Serpents, Hand of Help Ministries." And again, what I believe will be the location of the 2nd attack, google: "Watchman On The Wall, The Eagle and the Serpents (Part 2)."

Phew, thank MY God, that YOUR God is irrelevant in my life. I'll let you know when YOUR God strikes me down. Until then, riddle me this, whose God would win in an arm wrestling match?

Sarah-3043284 -- Good morning! Thanks for your posts. I haven't gotten to page 2 of these posts, but so far you are the only person who seems to have any CHRISTIAN VALUES and GOOD SENSE to boot!!! The reason this country (and the world) are in such bad shape is because of all the stone throwing by these LOUD MOUTHED HYPOCRITES!!! These folks need to keep asking themselves "What would Jesus do?". From my early childhood I certainly didn't learn that Jesus would treat their fellow man/woman as these folks would. Any one of you...please tell me where Jesus says he would do unto others as they would...please...you blithering idiots who keep saying "it's in the bible, it's in the bible"...please tell me where JESUS says any of the CRAP that you attribute to him...PLEASE!!! And one more thing, if you have a problem with gay marriage, THEN DON'T MARRY A GAY!!! Got it ???

Paul,

Thanks! And I think you just made half of these poster's heads explode when you referred to me as Christian, lol.

There is but only One God, known as God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit. Christ Jesus is our LORD and Savior whether you acknowledge His sovereignty. The choice is your's, you acknowledge Him as your LORD or you will meet Him as your Judge on the last day.

Watchman,

I'm counting the days. Really. I can't wait to ask him what he was thinking when he created the Platypus. Until then, however, YOUR God is still completely irrelevant.

Watchman, there is only ONE god? Thor? Zeus? Osiris? Yaweh? I know there are more, but it's too early to think of them. There is only ONE god that you worship, and that's fine. Personally, I think you would be a much happier person if you found a God of Love, but since you prefer a God of Hate that's fine. Worship him. But, please, don't try to force him, or your belief in him, down our throats.

As to the Wedding - well, Marriage is nothing more, nor less, than a contract between two people with lots of legal entitlements. If two people of the same gender want to get married, great! I fail to see how their marriage will affect me at all (unless, of course, they move next door, and one is a superb cook and shares, in which case I shall gain way too much weight;-)

Find another god, Watchman. You'll be happier.

@Sarah

And yet, no mysterious pilars of salt have appeared anywhere in NY.

Didn't sodom and Gomorrah have to burn down first? Which god do you have? I guess since THAT god created the heavens and Earth, sea and stars, exists in timeless space, throught eternity, worlds without end, and you also have a personal relationship with your god, you may ask your god those questions...I'll be happy to hear how that "god" answers the platapus question.

@Paul,

Don't "Christians" get their values from Christ?

please tell me where JESUS says any of the CRAP that you attribute to him...

*pulls out giant dustless bible

Let me see, Jesus also said in Matt 5:29-32

If your right eye causes you to stumble, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into hell. ³⁰ And if your right hand causes you to stumble, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to go into hell.

How about Matthew 11:20-24

Then began he to upbraid the cities wherein most of his mighty works were done, because they repented not: Woe to you, Chorazin! woe to you, Bethsaida! for if the mighty works, which were done in you, had been done in Tyre and Sidon, they would have repented long ago in sackcloth and ashes. But I say to you, It shall be more tolerable for Tyre and Sidon at the day of judgment, than for you. And you, Capernaum, which are exalted to heaven, shall be brought down to hell: for if the mighty works, which have been done in you, had been done in Sodom, it would have remained until this day. But I say to you, That it shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom in the day of judgment, than for you.

So, I'm guessing if your whole body can be thrown into it, there must be a hell, and if it will be better at the judgement, there will actually be a judgement one day. How about marriage?

“Haven’t you read,” he replied, “that at the beginning the Creator ‘made them male and female,’a and said, ‘For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh’b?So they are no longer two, but one. Therefore what God has joined together, let man not separate.”

Matthew 19:4-6. So much for same sex marriage, now you have chapter and verse to deal with, run home to your gay false prophets. I guess, since Jesus doesn't agree with your, baby me with delectable sweet nothings about pie-in-the-sky, Don't want to face reality, na-na-na-na-na-na, attitude you wont listen to him either?

Your bible may be "dustless," ItIsWhat!t!s, but your mind clearly is not (what there is of that).

ItIsWhat!t!s, you have not proven your point at all. Nothing in the New Testament indicates Jesus ever said anything condemning homosexuality. Even your posts above don't. Also, the ONE group of passages that some ill-informed Christians use from the New Testament actually has nothing to do with homosexuality but with soldiers exhibiting cowardice on the battlefield. In fact the New Testament doesn't mention marriage between two men or two women.

Watchman48 - There is but only One God, known as God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit.

From what I've seen of your comments it sounds like your imaginary friends are all dumb bigots.

ITis,

No offense. I don't give a @!$%# what your Bible says. And the best part is, I don't have to. Come back when you can make an argument WITHOUT religion.

As I've so eloquently put it in the past...

Neener, neener, neener, your religion doesn't matter. I'm completely free from it.

Sarah-3043284
Please tell me, for I am not that smart as I just barely graduated from high school. What man has the abilities to understand the power of God? Who can explain how a man can be formed from the dusk of the ground? Or what man can speak into existence the billions of stars and planets and then set them in motion? No man can understand the wonders of God, for if he could God would not be so great. To know that He is, is all that I have needed know.

I have spoken out five pregnancies, all of which shocked me. Just after my wife had told her parents that
she was pregnant with their first grandchild, my Mother-in-law said, “I think this will be a little girl.” I said, “No, it will be a boy, 7lb. 8oz. and 21” long. This was one week before my 21^st birthday; I didn’t know anything about that kind of stuff and didn’t care as long as the Mother and child were okay. 7.5 months later my son was born, 7lbs. 8oz. 21” long… There is no way that any man could have ever made a guess and speak out five pregnancies exactly right.

One week before my son’s 8^th birthday in June ’78 and just one second before killing a co-worker the lights went out, not in the building that we were working in but on me… I closed my eyes and shook my head, opening my eyes I saw my 4yr. old daughter and son standing maybe 10 feet in front of me in a garden
setting. They reached out with both hands and said, “No, Daddy don’t. No, Daddy don’t.” The lights went out and I closed my eyes and shook my head. I opened my eyes and there I was just inches behind
Dan about to push him to his death and I backed away from him… God knew the only thing that would stop me from committing this murder.

I have had 26 extremely dramatic spiritual events and I have witnesses to back up 13 of these events. Man has freewill to choose to accept or to reject the free gift of His Grace and His Son Christ Jesus as
his LORD and SAVIOR… To know that God is, is enough for me.

You might ask yourself why anyone would say such bizarre things such as I have if they were not truth. God certainly will not bless someone for lying about Him, it is the love of Christ in me for those that don’t know Christ that I try to plant a seed of faith within their thinking. I hope and pray for you and your family sake you will at least investigate the possibility of God's existence. Lee Strobel was the legal editor for a Chicago paper. He did began a two investigation on Christianity and wrote a book titled, The Case for Faith

One week before my son's 8th birthday in June '78 and just one second before killing a co-worker the lights went out, not in the building that we were working in but on me… I closed my eyes and shook my head, opening my eyes I saw my 4yr. old daughter and son standing maybe 10 feet in front of me in a garden
setting. They reached out with both hands and said, "No, Daddy don't. No, Daddy don't." The lights went out and I closed my eyes and shook my head. I opened my eyes and there I was just inches behind
Dan about to push him to his death and I backed away from him… God knew the only thing that would stop me from committing this murder.

So only a delusion stopped you from murdering someone, and you question why people don't choose to live their lives based on your word....

There is but only One God, known as God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit. Christ Jesus is our LORD and Savior whether you acknowledge His sovereignty. The choice is your's, you acknowledge Him as your LORD or you will meet Him as your Judge on the last day.

Provide evidence that your god exists and is supreme without simultaneously proving the same of every single god worshiped ever, and then we'll talk.

Matthew 19:4-6. So much for same sex marriage, now you have chapter and verse to deal with, run home to your gay false prophets.

First off, the passage doesn't prevent same-sex marriage; it merely states a single form (the form Adam and Eve took, when there were only two people in existence). Second, the passage clearly condemns divorce...yet I notice you Christians are perfectly fine with that!

Hmmm, methinks someone doth not know what they speak about.

Watchman,

The only thing I have to tell you is, I don't give a @!$%# about your God and no amount of your preaching, posting or judging will ever make me. Nor will your God/Religion ever, ever, ever, hold any water in our secular nation. Seriously, all that typing, you're wasting your time.

Now, if you want to try to make a secular case against gay marriage I'm all for debating it, but for some reason I don't think you can.

Absolutely not on my word... Besides His WORD which is the source of the only absolute truth, God gives visions, spoken messages and dreams that man may have a personal relationship with Him, to know that He is who He says..... The One and only True God of all that there is. The Bible is itself the greatest proof of it authenticity ... But there is other authors you should check into... Such as Flavius Josephus and a much easier book for someone with your great wisdom that you should read, "The Case for Faith." by Lee Strobal.

Please tell me if you can, why should God reveal himself to someone that does not seek Him, or to someone that is not serious in wanting to know him in a personal way, much less to someone that does not believe in Him? God has chosen to hide Himself, but to those who fear Him, He will reveal His heart's desires. In Psalms 91:1 He refers to His place of hiding as the secret place.
Were it not for the Bible there would be no absolute truth in the world. Truth would be subjective to each of us as we decide what we perceived as to what is right and wrong. Hitler saw himself as being right in murder millions during his reign of terror.

Man's so called wisdom in thinking he knows all that there is to be known has always amazed me. True wisdom is gained from what man has experienced in life and it truly come from God.. There is nothing in this life that man can say for a certainty, unless he has seen, or experienced directly or indirectly that which pertains to his statements, beliefs, or faith. In other words, for man to say, "I know God does not exist," just because he personally has not experienced a life changing event is nothing less than pure ignorance.
One revelation from God is worth far more than the knowledge gained from all the books in the world written by men who have no understanding or comprehension of the absolute truth of God’s WORD.

I'm coming to the conclusion that you just really like to type.

Watchman, your right to believe as you wish ends where MY rights begin. Therefore, keep your religious bull@!$%# to yourself, and most of all, keep it out of MY government.

God gives visions, spoken messages and dreams that man may have a personal relationship with Him, to know that He is who He says..... The One and only True God of all that there is.

That's nice. Prove it!

The Bible is itself the greatest proof of it authenticity

Circular logic anyone?

"The Case for Faith." by Lee Strobal.

Which is total BS and nothing more than repackaged dogma lacking in any real facts or proof!

Please tell me if you can, why should God reveal himself to someone that does not seek Him

If god wants us to believe or to worship, an actual appearance would help.

much less to someone that does not believe in Him?

You answered your own question. The actual reality of god is not dependent on mere belief.

God has chosen to hide Himself

Is your god such a coward that he fears showing himself, like some kind of cosmic stagefright?

Were it not for the Bible there would be no absolute truth in the world. Truth would be subjective to each of us as we decide what we perceived as to what is right and wrong.

"truth" is already subjective and philosophical, and is as open to as many interpretations as the bible is.

True wisdom is gained from what man has experienced in life and it truly come from God..

Not even close. Believing in myths and fairy tales is not wisdom, it's delusion!

. In other words, for man to say, "I know God does not exist," just because he personally has not experienced a life changing event is nothing less than pure ignorance

Fore someone to say "god does exist" or that "god did it" without providing any evidence whatsoever for that claim is intellectual dishonesty and laziness! And a life-changing event is not proof of any god. Just proof of people's guillability maybe.

One revelation from God is worth far more than the knowledge gained from all the books in the world written by men who have no understanding or comprehension of the absolute truth of God’s WORD.

Prove there's a god then!

What man has the abilities to understand the power of God?

What ability do you have to claim there's a god or make claims based on or on behalf of your god then?

Who can explain how a man can be formed from the dusk of the ground?

Man evolved, just like every other organism on the planet.

Or what man can speak into existence the billions of stars and planets and then set them in motion?

The Big bang did that, not your god!

To know that He is, is all that I have needed know.

Then you've only convinced yourself of something. Doesn't mean it's true!

There is no way that any man could have ever made a guess and speak out five pregnancies exactly right.

Ever hear the term "probability?"

God knew the only thing that would stop me from committing this murder.

You managed to stop yourself. You just want to give your god the credit.

I have had 26 extremely dramatic spiritual events and I have witnesses to back up 13 of these events.

Subjective and anecdotal, and eyewitness testimony is considered extremely unreliable.

Man has freewill to choose to accept or to reject the free gift of His Grace and His Son Christ Jesus

Are you saying anyone of any belief or religion that doesn't follow Jesus is screwed then? Besides, if there was a god, there would be no such thing as free will!

To know that God is, is enough for me.

If you want to aim low, that's your perogative. Whatever worls for you.

You might ask yourself why anyone would say such bizarre things such as I have if they were not truth.

Pshychological issues, delusion, ect.. Am I suupposed to accept everything you say as fact because it sounds "bizarre?" Seriously? If anything, that's all the more reason to be skeptical.

that I try to plant a seed of faith within their thinking.

Not all seeds germinate, nor is it any of your business or responsibility!

I hope and pray for you and your family sake you will at least investigate the possibility of God's existence.

Provide evidence for a god then! I'm not going to accept your claims simply because you say so.

Lee Strobel was the legal editor for a Chicago paper. He did began a two investigation on Christianity and wrote a book titled, The Case for Faith

Lee Strobel has no credibility for proving god, and neither do you if you use himj as a reference. He's just another guy who found religion. Nothing more. That's hardly a basis of authority or validity!

gordy327

Proverbs 1:7
The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge, but fools despise wisdom and instruction.

Deuteronomy 21:18-21......Kill your disobedient children!

Sounds like you belong to a bizarre and violent cult, Watchman.

Proverbs 1:7
The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge, but fools despise wisdom and instruction.

Spare me your dogmatic tripe. It answers nothing, nor have you actually addressed any challenges!

skrekk & gordy327

You are speaking of a period before the age of Grace (Before Christ's Crucifixion). This was at the time of the LAW... A period to prove that man can not live by the LAW.

gordy327 - Tell me, who is man that God should have to answer to? We are just men, created beings with only the little understandng and knowledge that we gain from reading His WORD. All of man wisdom combined could not begin to be compared to that of God's. God's thoughts and ways are so far beyond man's capabilities....

John writes in John 1:2-3 He was with God in the beginning. Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. Plesae tell me, what man do you know that has that kind of power that he can speak the existience of the universe and form man out of the dust of the ground?

You are speaking of a period before the age of Grace (Before Christ's Crucifixion). This was at the time of the LAW... A period to prove that man can not live by the LAW.

Becasue god didn't get it right the first time. Besides, if we can now ignore "the law," can we ignore the 10 commandments?

Tell me, who is man that God should have to answer to?\

There is no god.

All of man wisdom combined could not begin to be compared to that of God's. God's thoughts and ways are so far beyond man's capabilities....

Prove there's a god!

John writes in John 1:2-3

God did it because the bible says so? that's circular logic.

Plesae tell me, what man do you know that has that kind of power that he can speak the existience of the universe and form man out of the dust of the ground?

Prove the your god did it and not the myriad of other creation gods! Your entire argument is based on a false premise.

The Law was given to prove to man that he could not live by the Law. No man can save himself, the man that lives by the Law will die by the Law and be forever separated from God.

Man can make positive statements based upon his knowledge and/or understanding of certain
subjects or issues. Man can make “I believe or I think,” statements based upon his partial knowledge or
understanding of or on what others have told him on certain subjects or issues that if he chooses to do so.. But for man to make negative statements based upon what others have told him or maybe just because he himself has never had a personal experience or encounter concerning this subject; he is not being 100% honest with himself or with others.

The choice is yours, God gives man freewill to choose or to reject Christ. Christ came to be a sacrifice for sin, death had no hold on Jesus because He had not committed any sin, and thus His victory over death is a free gift to those that choose believe in Him as their LORD and SAVIOR. Those that reject this free gift will be forever separated from God.

The Law was given to prove to man that he could not live by the Law.

So god wasted his time, and ours, and inflicted suffering as a result then. Got it!

No man can save himself, the man that lives by the Law will die by the Law and be forever separated from God.

A moot point, since there is no god. That sounds more like fear mongering to me.

Man can make “I believe or I think,” statements based upon his partial knowledge or
understanding of or on what others have told him on certain subjects or issues that if he chooses to do so..

And the "God did it" statement is one made from pure ignorance or a lack of understanding of a subject.

he is not being 100% honest with himself or with others.

The (intellectually) "honest" man will consider any empirical evidence presented. As it is, there is none for any god/s. So any claims for or on behalf of a god can be summarily dismissed!

The choice is yours, God gives man freewill to choose or to reject Christ.

If there was a god, there would be no such thing as choice or free will.

Those that reject this free gift will be forever separated from God.

You still haven't proved there is a god. All you've offered is bible stories aka myths, and nothing more.

Most men can not and will never learn anything when he is blind and deaf.... The wages of sin is deaf and all have sinned... If you are blind and deaf you have a good excuse for your sins... But if you claim see and hear than there is no excuse but ignorance of God WORD.

You may deny God's existence all you want, but that doesn't change your destination. I will leave you with my last effort... If you are interested in the truth, start reading The Case For Faith and The Case For Christ and then the Book of John found in the New Testament.

Watchman48 - You are speaking of a period before the age of Grace (Before Christ's Crucifixion). This was at the time of the LAW... A period to prove that man can not live by the LAW.

Good to know that your imaginary friend's immutable Word is changeable, and that he didn't get it right the first time (or second or third....).

But it's interesting that you think it was at one time a good idea to murder your children when they were disobedient. Sounds like you belong to a violent and psychotic cult.

... But if you claim see and hear than there is no excuse but ignorance of God WORD.

You still haven't proved if there is a god!

Most men can not and will never learn anything when he is blind and deaf....

Sounds a lot like religious fundamentalists and zealots!

You may deny God's existence all you want

Yep, at least until you prove there's a god.

but that doesn't change your destination.

It's the same as everyone else, whether you want to believe it or not.

If you are interested in the truth, start reading The Case For Faith and The Case For Christ and then the Book of John found in the New Testament.

I'm interested in FACTS, not your idea of "truth." And your sources are highly dubious and prove nothing. It's just a collection of individual beliefs. And you have stillnot answered any challenges put forth!

The wages of sin is deaf and all have sinned...

Sin is a religious concept and of absolutely no value or relevance to anyone who doesn't believe such rubbish!

I will leave you with my last effort.

Last effort? What was your first effort?

Watchman48 - The wages of sin is deaf

Emily Litella, is that you?

Never mind.

You may deny God's existence all you want, but that doesn't change your destination.

So what will you do when you get to the afterlife and find yourself standing before Zeus? Or maybe Odin?

Something is wrong here, where are all the positive folks, praising this today?Where are the atheists attacking these comments?Is there a holiday I missed? As both women has been together since a civil ceremony in 1999. perhaps that is why. And neither wore a dress, so does that mean they both wear the pants in the family? Maybe its their ages, they aren't young, cute role models to point at. I guess old ladies just don't garner the attention as poster people sought after. Now if they were men.

Then again, they could have done this in other states that are much closer to their home state.But going to this chapel so far away, guarantees national attention, doesn't it? Even after being turned down twice. I wonder how many of those 250 guests had to pay the extra distance airfare with travel expenses to boot. There are so many costs associated to weddings brides think about. What others end up paying to attend should always be considered. People say it about the bride. But it shouldn't just be what she is wanting.

Windancersong...Uh please look at a map. New Jersey and New York are adjacent states. You can take the Holland, lincoln Tunnels to get between them, The George Washington Bridge & Tappan Zee Bridges and others, there are also boats between the two at many points. West point is actually on the east side of the Hudson, and is less than 25 Miles from New Jersey. Ms. Fulton's place of work is less than 60 Miles from the Chapel at West Point.

Ms Fulton also serves on the Board of Visitors of WestPoint,she was a Presidential Appointee. So she is there serving the Academy all the time.

I think it is great! What a meaningful wedding for them. Congratulations and Bless! :-)

Frankly True, my bad-I have to think much much more carefully making posts when I haven't slept in several days.I was thinking of the Air Force Academy. The distance did seem odd. Thanks for the clarification!

Why haven't you slept? Is the horror of this abomination keeping you awake? Gay marriages will stop garnering National attention when gays are truly granted equal rights and can marry anywhere, anytime. Then it will become hohum, another two human beings have found happiness in a bond of love, what else is new...and how can it be wrong! (rhetorical question...no need to count the ways.)

OMG Sarah-3043284 that comment about the Platypus also made my head explode. Thank you! And oops I hope that saying OMG doesn't get the zealots after me for using their Lord's name in vain.

I find them getting married beautiful and very touching.

James,

I mean, it is one seriously, weird looking animal.

Yes, all of the hateful, bigoted comments being posted by the so-called Christians is very SHAMEFUL and not Christlike at all.

No I think it is shameful that they had this ceremony on the grounds where we are suppose to breed leadership in the Army. They have nothing to be proud of you couldn't have paid to be apart of that fiasco let alone stand in uniform.

Being homosexual does not preclude one from being a good, or great, leader -- but being a bigot does.

A lesson you obviously have not yet learned, N. Serling.

Name one Great U.S. Military leader that was a homosexual? Because I can name five right off the top of my head that are Heterosexual!!. What gives you the authority to say unless you have been there and done that!

My main problem is having this ceremony at a place where we are supposed to breed leadership for War we are destroying ourselves with policies and regulations and doing more damage than our enemies are doing to us.

BTW the way those leaders are General Lewis B. Puller, General Curtis Lemay, General George S. Patton, Admiral James Stockdale, General Matthew B. Ridgeway.

My main problem is having this ceremony at a place where we are supposed to breed leadership for War we are destroying ourselves with policies and regulations and doing more damage than our enemies are doing to us.

So you think that marriage does more damage to the US than any enemies? Have YOU ever been married?

What I meant that this is shameful to have that ceremony there. Current policies and PC correctness along with other freak experiments are doing harm to our Armed Forces.

What I meant that this is shameful to have that ceremony there.

They've been holding marriage ceremonies there for a long time. How does a marriage ceremony at a chapel harm the armed forces in any way?

The same grounds as West Point you may not see a problem with that but I do. It shows nothing is scared anymore. This is the where we trained young people for service in the Army. Apart of that in that curriculum is decency and honor.

My "authority" comes from the US Constitution, Serling, as well as the fact that I pay for the military through my taxes.

BTW, how do you "know" that those men were heterosexual? Because they slept with women? Because they were married? Just like thousands -- or millions -- of other homosexual men who slept with women, or who married, in order to hide their homosexuality, especially if they were in the military.

The US currently has an openly gay Brigadier General, Tammy Smith, serving in our military. However, there have been others throughout history who either helped the American military, or served their own countries honorably, including: Baron von Steuben, who helped Washington train soldiers during the American Revolution; Alexander Hamilton and his lover, John Laurens, who also served in the Revolution (and were appointed as aides to Baron von Steuben); General Eisenhower's driver, "Johnnie" Phelps, a lesbian, who accompanied him during World War II; General Eisenhower's secretary during World War II also admitted to being a lesbian; Lt. Col. T.E. Lawrence ("Lawrence of Arabia"); Julius Caesar; King Richard I ("Richard the Lionhearted"); and of course, probably the most famous would be Alexander the Great.

we are destroying ourselves with policies and regulations and doing more damage than our enemies are doing to us.

Yet you cannot show any "damage" that has been caused by the repeal of DADT, or by allowing gays to marry in military chapels.

Apart of that in that curriculum is decency and honor.

First of all, that should be "a part," not "apart" -- "apart" means "separate". Get a dictionary.

Second, homosexuals have as much decency and honor as anyone else -- in fact, more than bigots like you can ever hope to possess.

Serling, you never answered my question. Why is that?

Spoken like a true DYKE!

Either you are trolling or telling her that she is speaking like a wall to hold back water. Which is it, and why?

With regards to your comment to decency and honor in the homosexual community don't say they have as much honor and deceny as everyone else because it is seen by many as a degenerate lifestyle.

Actually, Serling, you are more likely to be homosexual than I am, given your outspoken rants against homosexuality and homosexuals. FYI, I'm a straight, married woman who supports equality.

don't say they have as much honor and deceny as everyone else because it is seen by many as a degenerate lifestyle.

WRONG. Since the majority of Americans support equality, it would seem that the majority of us do not see it as "degenerate" at all.

It is still not widely accepted if it was then all the STATES would have laws accepting same sex marriage but they don't!!!! It is still TABOO in the Military alot still don't feel comfortable serving alongside openly gay people and for your argument that is does not have an adverse affect your wrong. It detracts from readiness in ways you can't begin to comprehend. And as for your retort about your marriage it could be sham/cover for your own homosexuality/bisexuality.

Since we are not a country of majority rule, Serling, the fact that it is not legal in all states is irrelevant, because such things must be decided either by the courts (when such unconstitutional laws are challenged), or by the legislatures. In fact, the Supreme Court will be ruling later in this session on DOMA, and perhaps on Prop H8 in California -- which will most likely render all of those anti-gay marriage laws unconstitutional.

Care to provide any proof for your comment about it being "taboo" in the military? Especially since more than half of all military personnel supported the repeal of DADT.

BTW, I doubt my marriage would have lasted for 30 years (and counting) if I were homosexual.

What do you know, Serling still just avoiding questions

Half the Military supported the DADT doubt it what is your source? We are not a country of majority of rule but we had and election in which the candidate that had the most electoral popular vote won re election!! Are you stupid, dumb, retarded or just all three you have no credibility.

Ringo go troll elsewhere.

Ringo go troll elsewhere.

I wasn't trolling, Serling, you were.

Remember this:

Spoken like a true DYKE!

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Your trolling and who are you Erin's feel good committee gotta hold her hand all the time. Go back to your basement and wipe the mountain dew off your keyboard.

Your trolling and who are you Erin's feel good committee gotta hold her hand all the time. Go back to your basement and wipe the mountain dew off your keyboard.

Did you perhaps mean You're? I'll give you a hint, while I was not and am not trolling, you're doing it again.

How about this go get a @!$%#ing life!

You're trolling again

And your a @!$%#ing moron!

Did you, by any chance, mean you're? Either way, you're still just trolling

And your just a @!$%#!! Go play somewhere else.

The report found that the majority of military personnel and their families support ending “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell”, the policy which currently bans gay men and women from serving openly in the armed forces, and that the risk to military effectiveness of doing so is low.

http://www.democrats.org/news/blog/majority_of_military_personnel_support_repeal_of_dont_ask_dont_tell

Pentagon Report: "70-76% Of Service Members Said Repeal Would Have A Positive, A Mixed, Or No Effect On Aspects Of Task Cohesion." According to the Pentagon's recently released report on Don't Ask, Don't Tell, when asked about the effect of repeal on task cohesion, personal readiness, and unit readiness, majorities of the service members surveyed said they expected a "positive, mixed, or no effect."

http://mediamatters.org/research/2010/12/10/perkins-falsely-suggests-dadt-repeal-lacks-publ/174267

The Nov. 30 release of the Pentagon Working Group's survey of troops on implementation of "don't ask, don't tell" repeal should come as a wakeup call: A clear majority - 70 percent - of military personnel support open service for gays and lesbians.

http://www.journal-news.net/page/content.detail/id/552828/Military-Personnel-support-repeal.html?nav=5002

We are not a country of majority of rule but we had and election in which the candidate that had the most electoral popular vote won re election!!

WRONG. The President is elected by electoral vote, NOT by popular vote -- as was evidenced in 2000, when Al Gore won the popular vote but lost the electoral vote.

Furthermore, to show that YOU completely lack credibility, but seem to have plenty in the "stupid, dumb, retarded" department, we are NOT a democracy, which would mean that we do have majority rule. We are a constitutional republic, which means that we are governed by a constitution, and we have an elected head of state. Our Constitution specifically provides that the tyranny of the majority cannot deny rights to the minority.

Did you even bother to attend school? Even on the short bus?

N. Serling - Name one Great U.S. Military leader that was a homosexual?

Friedrich Wilhelm von Steuben, the gay man George Washington picked to help regulate the continental army and help win the revolutionary war.

And your just a @!$%#!! Go play somewhere else.

Did you perhaps mean 'you're just a @!$%#'? You're still just trolling, but at least you aren't insulting anymore. Approximately half the adult population are @!$%#s, so that's no more insult than saying 'you're just a man' or 'you're just a woman'.

Like I said go troll somewhere else you and your entourage of faggots!!

Like I said go troll somewhere else you and your entourage of faggots!!

And as has already been pointed out to you, you're the only one trolling here.

Like I said you and your entourage can go @!$%# themselves.

Your opinion of my flexibility is both misguided and still just more trolling.

Why don't you do us a favor and execute your flexibility and jump off a tall building.

So now you're trolling and referring to yourself as a plural

The fact that you can only repeat what I say is pretty pathetic like it's your job to correct grammar. I think it's sad and hopelss you should have been swallowed Ringo.

The fact that you can only repeat what I say is pretty pathetic like it's your job to correct grammar. I think it's sad and hopelss you should have been swallowed Ringo.

So you're still trolling AND you don't know the meaning of the word 'fact'

Serling,

Feel free to opine on whatever you want. You can feel any way you please in regards to homosexuality, the legality of gay marriage or DADT. But it sure must suck to hate something that much, and have ZERO control over it.

This happened. It will continue to happen, and all the hateful rhetoric, cursing, insults and "opining" in the world, will not change it. You have NO control over it, whatsoever.

You've been relegated to being nothing but, that abnormally hateful dude that posts homophobic BS on the internet. Your opinion matters NOT AT ALL.

I was wondering when you would open your fat mouth? And I'm not impressed by your feminist dribble confused people like you probably think women belong in combat arms and The Hurt Locker was a good war movie.

What have you got against The Hurt Locker??? Jeremy Renner's awesome!

But seriously dude, see how you insulted me and everything in that post. Yup, still doesn't change anything. You're still irrelevant. In fact, I'm betting the more I remind you of that, the nastier you'll get, simply because you know it's true and it absolutely kills you. Because, obviously, the nastiest, most hateful person is always the one who's the most scared inside.

Of course now I'm sure you'll post some sort of, "I don't think that" bull@!$%#, but the fact that you'll have to post a disclaimer about how you DON'T think you're irrelevant or scared, will just further prove how you DO feel that way.

Let the games begin...

That Movie was A court hangar Abortion!! You have made it obviously clear that your a dumb bimbo guess you don't no any better. Stop trolling and get a @!$%#ing life!!

Well, if you think I need a life, then what does it mean that you respond to me??? Wouldn't that be just as much of an insult to you, if you're getting sucked in to someone YOU profess has no life??? That someone who YOU profess has no life can get you so worked up you start calling names???

And, yup, still irrelevant, but you sure are easy to get worked up. I have some serious control over you. Watch, I bet I can get you to insult me again.

Only thing you have control over is that keyboard that is all. I have read your post's before Little Miss I know it all speaking on subjects that you have no clue about your opinions hold no value what so ever. And when ever some one calls you on your BS you go back to your Feminist dribble and PC BS. I know your kind all to well wish you born a man but your not be happy with who you are.

Hey, I was right in at least one post. Remember when I said this...

I have some serious control over you. Watch, I bet I can get you to insult me again.

Well, you just did exactly that. So I've been right at least once. And if you think my opinions are BS, then why don't you debate me on a substantive level. We can start here...

First, there are certain "protected classes" laid out in the 14th Amendment and the Civil Rights Act. Two of them are race and gender. In the Supreme Court case Loving v Virginia, SCOTUS ruled that,

Marriage is one of the "basic civil rights of man," fundamental to our very existence and survival....

Now this case was based on race, BUT to support gay marriage, all you have to do is change race to GENDER, another protected class. PLUS, the 14th Amendment has a little something called the "Privileges and Immunities" clause. Which means, you can't deny the citizens, their privileges, or immunities, based on those classes. In this case, that'd be gender.

So, since marriage is a legal (that means law) contract, that comes with PRIVILEGES, you can't deny citizens, without a damn good, already been shown to exist, reason, based on gender, among other things. So, if the state can't prove a reason, to deny privileges to people based on gender, they can't make that particular law.Now, put it together. If two gay people want to enter a contract, and the state tells them they can't, because of the gender of one of the parties, THAT'S A BIG NO NO.

Also, the logic that gay people are free to marry, just as you are, i.e they're free to marry one of the opposite sex, is the EXACT same defense that Virginia used in their defense, again just turn gender to race.

The court ruled, AGAINST that logic.

Second, you have an implied right to privacy, mostly through the 9th and 4th Amendments. In a the SCOTUS case Lawrence v Texas, the court said this...

The Texas statute furthers no legitimate state interest which can justify its intrusion into the personal and private life of the individual.

Third, AGAIN, marriage is a civil contract, that comes with over 1,000 benefits granted by the state. Most of these benefits deal with property, insurance, tax and probate law. Civil unions, do NOT grant equivalent benefits. In order to enter a legal contract, the parties have to have LEGAL CAPACITY FOR INFORMED CONSENT.

Furthermore, marriages are NOT religious, that's Holy Matrimony, which a church can NEVER be forced to perform against its dogma, due to protections in the 1st Amendment. This is why people can, and do, get married any day without ever stepping foot in a church.

Also, marriage has NOTHING to do with procreation. After all, we let people have kids OUTSIDE of marriage, and NOT have kids while married.

Fourth, there are very few limited reasons for the government to discriminate in law, against one of these protected classes, and in order to do so, the government has to pass the test of strict scrutiny, which is that compelling state interest mentioned in Lawrence v Texas.

So....

The real question, those making the case for continuing the gender based discrimination of DOMA is, what is that compelling state interest? And before we start talking about marrying appliances, nephews, sheep, or dead people, ask yourselves this...

Since the only difference between a gay marriage and a straight marriage, is the gender of a single party, what is inherent to that single party's gender which would lead to bestiality, incest, polygamy, pedophilia, or marrying inanimate objects? Remember, you're ONLY changing ONE person's GENDER, so logically, it must be something within that one person's gender, which would lead you to believe gay marriage would open the door to any of those things, so... WHAT IS IT? Why would gay marriage lead to the repeal of the laws we have on the books, banning all those things?

Or, in easier terms...

Why doesn't STRAIGHT marriage lead to any of that?

And technically, the burden of proof is on those limiting rights, (the anti-marriage equality folks), so you all should really be making the case, not us.

Thank God for the copy and paste option, right??? Okay, here's your chance, prove I'm full of BS. Prove my case wrong. Answer the questions...

Like I said you only have control over that key board!! Your kind is like sheep irrelevant and ineffectual don't have a pleasant evening.

Bubblegum

But you wanted to show I'm full of BS, didn't you??? How come you didn't answer the questions and prove it? Come on, you had me against the ropes.

And I got you to insult me again, didn't I? You know what, I bet Ringo and Erin have just as much control over you as I do. I bet they could get you to insult them too.

I mean, it's really easy.

That last comment I didn't insult you. Seems to me that you are getting mad but I can say something that will make you lived if you like.

Well you did say I was like a sheep. Unless you were attempting to compliment sheep??? And you still haven't answered the questions. How come???

All your views and opinions are entitled to them. But don't make it come across that the majority of people have the same thoughts and views.

Did you miss the part where I told you, you were welcome to your opinion? And see Erin's links up there. Most people do believe in equality and that number grows everyday.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-57433493-503544/poll-most-americans-support-same-sex-unions/

I'm not toiling under the delusion that I speak for ALL Americans. I'm toiling under the delusion that MOST people aren't hateful.

And you didn't insult me that time. I'm guessing because you don't want it to look like I can get you to insult me if I want too, however, your doing the opposite of what I tell you, is in and of itself, its own form of control. You still posted in a manner that was dictated by me. My opinion still played a role in how you responded.

And you STILL haven't answered the questions.

Got you to insult me again, didn't I. Probably to prove this wrong...

And you didn't insult me that time. I'm guessing because you don't want it to look like I can get you to insult me if I want too, however, your doing the opposite of what I tell you, is in and of itself, its own form of control. You still posted in a manner that was dictated by me. My opinion still played a role in how you responded.

But the same logic applies. You still posted dependent upon mine.

And what if I'm Jewish? Shouldn't you have made sure to add in, "Oh and have a @!$%#ty Hanuka" too, just in case??? Now I might just have a GOOD, Hanuka.

I do agree that most people aren't hateful. Too bad you aren't among those ranks. You're life would be way less exhausting.

And you never answered my questions.

Most aren't hateful okay alot don't agree with the way the US is being run or the path it is going down and this fiasco that they had is disgraceful.

Sure, Serling, they "hate" it so much that Obama was re-elected, AND same-sex marriage was approved in THREE MORE STATES.

Way to hate, America!

I guess it's my turn to get insulted now -- or for you to try to insult me, since I don't feel insulted by the things you post; I just consider the source.

I don't care how you spend your Holidays I really don't. Don't you have a girlfriend you can bother or hassle. Or don't you have any friends wouldn't surprise me if you didn't.

I'm not hassling you, am I??? I mean I'm simply giving you the opportunity to show the world how, what was it you said, "I'm full of BS"???

So, are you going to prove what an idiot broad I am or what? I'm still waiting for you to answer those questions.

And nope, the vast majority of both my boyfriends and girlfriends are about 500 miles away right now, so I've got nothing better to do than continue this. That is until I get bored or motivated to study, and I don't see that happening in the near future.

And if you don't care about how my holidays go, why go to the trouble of wishing me a bad one???

Tired of talking to you don't have a nice Christmas or new year's and go @!$%# yourself you worthless @!$%#!!!!

So you still have nothing to 'contribute' other than trolling, Serling

So you are too dumb to know when your being insulted that's pretty dumb!!! Yeah have a S!#$^y Holiday!!!!

Don't care for you and your friends lucky them they don't have to be so close to you.

So you are too dumb to know when your being insulted that's pretty dumb!!!

My only question, Serling, is when you get banned in the near future, will you come back as a re-reg?

Just confused, first you repeatedly told me to have a @!$%#ty holiday, then you said you didn't care, then you wished me a @!$%#ty holiday again. Can't blame a girl for being confused when you send such mixed signals.

And if you don't care for me and/or my friends, why spend hours insulting me??? For someone who doesn't care, you sure spend a lot of time trying to get ME to care. How come? I mean, normally when people don't care, that means they don't care enough to insult you.

Now watch, I bet I can get you to respond again.

And you STILL haven't answered my questions.

There, now I've been right twice! Can we make it a third???

And you STILL haven't answered my questions.

Ringo,

I'm fairly sure she already is a re-reg of RetNavyVet or something like that. I can't remember exactly, but the rhetoric was the same.

Sill here Sarah!!

Like shooting fish in a barrel, eh, Sarah?

Do the world a favor walk blindly into oncoming traffic!

Ain't it though, Erin. It's almost too easy. I like it when they play hard to get, you know?

And she STILL hasn't answered my questions.

Sarah-3043284 & N. Serling

Marriage did not begin as a civil contract.... It began as a spiritual convenant or vow between a man, a woman and God. Man made it a civil contract so he could regulate and tax it.

Watchman,

I STILL don't give a @!$%# about your God. Still. Really.

N. Sterling,

I hope you've enjoyed your time here. Reported for: slurring, attacking, death wishing.

What a sad child, unfit for this coming world. And definitely not a Christian...at least any Christian that Christ would claim.

Marriage did not begin as a civil contract.... It began as a spiritual convenant or vow between a man, a woman and God. Man made it a civil contract so he could regulate and tax it.

I'm afraid you'd have to prove that this spiritual contract with a deity predates the Hammurabi Code to have evidence of it beginning in a non-civil manner. Unfortunately for you, you can't, because your Bible is not evidence: it is a book of fiction. The earliest provable character in the Bible is Abraham, and he lived after the Hammurabi Code.

Marriage did not begin as a civil contract.... It began as a spiritual convenant or vow between a man, a woman and God. Man made it a civil contract so he could regulate and tax it.

WRONG. Civil marriage predates organized religion by thousands of years; religion did not involve itself in marriage until around the mid-1500s. In fact, in many ancient civilizations, same-sex marriage was legal, and our own Native Americans also performed them.

Try to read a history book, Watchman; have someone explain the big words to you.

Do the world a favor walk blindly into oncoming traffic!

Tired of talking to you don't have a nice Christmas or new year's and go @!$%# yourself you worthless @!$%#!!!!

What about some of these other 'gems'?

So two people who genuinely love each other have less of a right to be together than two people who hate each other? Look at divorce rates in this country. Marriage has had no meaning or worth for a long time.

Factofthematter-1981569 -- Thank you !!! Another voice of reason amidst all this chaos of hate.

Ken, then why aren't you out there trying to protect marriage by making it illegal to get DIVORCED. We all know so-called Christians will never make divorce illegal to protect the so-called sanctity of marriage as they all want the possibility of getting out of one. Kind of makes "Til Death Do Us Part" in Christian Marriage Vows a hypocritical JOKE.

Yeah, pained1, the heteros have done one heck of a job of destroying the very concept of marriage.

Sounds like West Point stands for defending the constitutional rights of all Americans.

I hear that really upsets you Christofascists.

No it's sad that you think that. How many of your military brothers and sisters have had to hide in the shadows due to the unjust law of Don't Ask Don't Tell? Would you stop defending your brother in combat if he told you that he was gay? Would you refuse his help if you were wounded on the battlefield?

Scott you do not deserve to serve or country.

You don't have a shred of what America stands for (Freedom) in your body.

Perversion is not freedom!

Look at how God has already punished NY with Sandy. Stay tuned, there's more to come.

Oooh, oooh, I hope the boils are next!!!!!!!!!!

Sarah-3043284

I would not tempt the Lord Your GOD !

You Might Get More Than You Ask For !

Yet surprisingly I woke up boil free this morning. Let's try it again...

Bring on the frogs!!!!!!!

This is a very very sad day for us military and vets.

As active duty military, I have this to say for you:

If you are not here to protect the rights of all citizens, GET OUT.

Perversion is not freedom!

Perversion is subjective opinion only.

I would not tempt the Lord Your GOD !

He certainly ain't my god. If he can manage to push himself past the throng of gods sitting up there, he's welcome to try and do anything.

Look at how God has already punished NY with Sandy. Stay tuned, there's more to come.

And the Haiti earthquake occured because the Haitians made a deal with the devil. >sarc<

Do you seriously believe that drivel you spew?

I would not tempt the Lord Your GOD ! You Might Get More Than You Ask For !

Threats from your cosmic boogeyman is neither convincing or persuasive. Maybe to the ignorant or guillable minded possibly.

Bring on the frogs!!!!!!!

Or how about the millions of flies? Maybe the frogs will take care of them.

Perversion is not freedom!

Define "perversion!" Besides, if it's sodomy you're referring to, there is no law against that!

So is eating shellfish. Do you condemn everyone you know who eats shellfish?

That is a really stupid comment

Eating shellfish in the Old Testament laws for the Jewish nation. Not for everyone. in the New Testament all food is considered ok to eat. But in BOTH the Old and New Testaments homosexuality is forbidden.

You missed the point, Samantha, even though you said it in your post. Eating shellfish is forbidden for Jews, not everyone. Homosexuality is forbidden for people of extreme faith, not everyone.

Well good thing BOTH the old and the new testament are irrelevant in this country.

Scott, it's kind of funny how angry you are over this. Do gay people have sex on your front lawn? Do they have gay parties that keep you awake at night? Do they come knocking at your door trying to get you to "join up"? Then why do you care? Oh let me guess....the bible.....the book that tells you to annoy the sh*t out of people for eternity because they don't believe what you do.

It's also funny that people talk about how gay people ruined marriage. How about the 50% divorce rate in this country? You don't think that has anything to do with it's diminishing stature? Worry about your own life, your own family and your own marriage, leave other people alone. I say that because 1. You people are incredibly annoying and 2. There is nothing you can do about it other than commit hate crimes which will land you in prison where you will be introduced to what gay sex is first hand lol.

Hey there Ledzepp

They want homosexuality taught to the children in school so yeah, I have a problem with that.

Try to remember that the next time you run off your mouth.

manwomangod (oh please) -- Who wants homosexuality taught in schools ??? Back when I was a kid, this was not something people talked about very much at all, but it was mentioned in sex-ed class. It was pretty much "just mentioned" with no editorial attached to it --- just that it did (does) exist. I think the same should be done in todays classrooms as it is a part of human sexuality. Do you think the schools are going to try to turn children into homosexuals? Ledzepp94 did a great job in articulating his thoughts and I couldn't agree more. If homosexuality doesn't affect your life (if you truly have one), then don't F-ING worry about it!

Oh, yeah! "They" are infiltrating our schools teaching kids how to be homosexual! I heard that it is going to be part of the state mandated curriculum by 2013. /s/

Yeah, how dare they try to teach our kids not to bully, attack, and verbally abuse homosexual students. Those monsters!

Many children? Which is going to donate the sperm? Leave adoption out of it.

Many gays have biological children and others adopt. The children of the gay couples I know personally are all well-adjusted, happy children who study well and participate in after school activities such as sports, music, cheerleading, and after school jobs. Interestingly, not one of them is gay while statistically 10% of children of straight couples and 10% of children of gay couples are gay. The older children of my gay friends attend college or have graduated from college and have managed to find employment in this economy.

Whenever I read the stories in the news about the abused kids or the child criminals I think what a shame that these kids were not afforded the opportunity to be adopted by a stable, loving family, gay or straight.

Mephisto, we have been silenced by the media the NEA the ACLU and the DNC. Time for real men to stand up and be heard. Time for 1776 all over again

Have fun with your revolution. I'll enjoy watching the real men in the military put you down.

ok

Millions have already left those liberal churches that marry homosexuals. They are leaving those states as well. Look at what God did to NY with Sandy! But the day will come when God will take His people off this earth (black, brown, red and white) all those who believe that Jesus Christ is the Lord! When the word of God has been ministered to all the ends of the earth (this has already been done), then let all hell will break loose. Scorpians, the size of man will take hold of the unbeliever and sting them continuely until they say, Jesus is Lord! Because this is what Gold's message has always been, all the way from the beginning, And they shall know that I am the Lord

This country is not going to hell in a handbasket. Take a sabbatical from it and live anywhere else in the world for a while and you'll happily come running back.

I know! It's just shocking that a chapel at a government facility can no longer be used to enforce the sharia laws of your particular cult, isn't it?

The state of NY disagrees with you. And since it's the state that has legal authority over the citizens and not YOUR God/religion, I'd say you're dead wrong. It's a marriage.

Anything you believe about marriage being religious or "morality" is completely irrelevant to anyone but you.

That must suck.

@Dee

I hate to break this to you but the concept of marriage was around long before the idea of Christianity. You so called Christians DON'T own that word.

Scheese, what a band of low information classless clowns.

Atheists do not want to realize the truth that is God; that way they feel they can create their own rules. The only problem is that rules without consequence, conscious or morality are nothing but chaos and abominations.

lol dez, I actually truly feel bad for people like you. I want to help but honestly there is nothing that can be done. People like you are just plain dumb. Critical thinking is certainly not your strength. I recommend you learn the definition of truth and rephrase that sentence. You won't though. You will most likely come back with some emotional appeal why you think god exists as a fact, and then we will laugh at you as you tell us we are going to hell, blah blah. Same old crap from the same old idiots. I don't envy people who have the impossible task of defending the bible, good luck with that.

Just who exactly is this "we" you speak of? Atheists, gays....who? Incidentally, I do not need to defend my beliefs to you or anybody else. Say and believe what you will and I shall do likewise.

Atheists of course. And you kind of do need to defend it when you make a statement like:

Atheists do not want to realize the truth that is God; that way they feel they can create their own rules. The only problem is that rules without consequence, conscious or morality are nothing but chaos and abominations.

That seems like a pretty bold and exact statement. I am only saying you should probably defend it because people aren't going to take you seriously if you can't back your statements up. With that logic anyone can say absolutely anything and expect people to take their word for it.

dezhawaii - Just who exactly is this "we" you speak of? Atheists, gays....who?

"We" would be anyone with an IQ over room temperature.

People like you tend tend to confuse the legal contract of marriage with the irrelevant religious rite of holy matrimony, and you also seem to think that all Christians share your bizarre homophobia. Just an FYI, there are several major denominations which disagree with you.

Maybe they're Episcopalians and don't share your hatred of gays? Or maybe they're Catholics who support marriage equality, just like 71% of other American Catholics?

Apparently not all Christians are dumb bigots.

skrekk,

If you can pass it off as normal with Islam - I'll Applaud your tenacity !

If you can pass it off as normal with Islam - I'll Applaud your tenacity !

Nobody cares about normal. Its a subjective qualifier.

Not to mention, who gives a @!$%# about trying to "pass it off" with Muslims? Many of them are already smart enough not to buy into some of the dumb @!$%# they're being told. Just like the Episcopalians cast off the idiocy of erroneous translations of the Bible and realized that not a single passage in it actively condemned homosexuality; Leviticus was a social code for the time.

luckyboy-2090407 - If you can pass it off as normal with Islam - I'll Applaud your tenacity!

While there are gay-friendly mosques, Islam is no more relevant to the marriage contract than your bizarre cult is.

Ya! Zeus created them for a reason!! Never DENY ZEUS!!!!! You will burn in eternity!!!!!!!!!!!!!

luckyboy-2090407 -- you are dumb as dirt, DUMB AS DIRT!!! Like many of your like minded (minds ???) friends, I can't help but wonder if you weren't molested by one of your uncles sometime in your life. Were you? Or maybe you're fighting your own thoughts of your own latent homosexuality. While there is treatment for your hatred of homosexuals, they can't help you turn your gayness around. Just accept it bud...I mean there are worse things in life...like untreated OCD!!! Really...go for help...there is truly something wrong with you.

Paul,

Take another hit of Acid - Maybe You'll think Clearer !

Reported for death wishing, and both for CoH violations.

Funny, isn't it? It sounds like these bigoted Christofascists must be very insecure in their own faith.......or maybe they're aware that their imaginary friend is impotent and needs to be propped up by the state.

You seem to think about this a lot. Does thinking about gay people keep you up at night?

no, it doesnt. as i said before, i rest comfortably.

you see, i know i can and others like myself can enjoy the benefits of a marriage creating a family because we both have created a life that the both of us have a biological bond with. can you say this with your gay partner?

If I were gay....I wouldn't care. Not everyone has the same priorities as you do. In fact, I have a girlfriend and we both agree that marriage isn't for us and that neither of us ever wants to get married. We think it's a label and labels don't do anything but add pressure, especially in this situation. If you need to be married and do the traditional thing good for you. But don't expect other people to be just like you. And I am 28, a lot of my friends getting married, a few already divorced after 1 or 2 years.

Scott you rest comfortably?

How about you just rest in peace...nobody will mourn you.

By the way lets use your statement in relation to straight married couples that cannot have children

By your logic they should not be allowed to be married

i'll drink to that!

Scottyyyy

Adoptive parents are PARENTS who are PARENTING and they love their children just as much as biological parents do. Fortunately, for children who do not have parents for one reason or another, there are loving hard-working, dedicated, stable adults out there who DO BOND with them as parents.

Not only McArthur, but Eisenhower, too. Can you imagine what General Patton would say? These great American military men and countless others are truly rolling over in their graves.What a shame, What an utter Disgrace. Even our great military has been poisoned by this plague. No surprise at all. It is just symtematic of the diseased, corrupted and depraved culture we find ourselves in at this sorry juncture in time.

@hopsac23

Could not agree more with your analysis.

i rest comfortably knowing i can have a family of my own while some gay idiot can only pretend to be a parent without the so important biological bond with the child

In the first place, scottyyyy (do you have extra "ys" because you don't know any of the reasons?), gays CAN and DO reproduce. Second, adoptive parents are hardly "pretend" parents -- in fact, many of them are much better than biological parents, because there are far too many biological parents who are "pretend" parents (as you seem to be). Third, medical science disagrees with your assessment of gay parenting:

Although it is sometimes asserted in policy debates that heterosexual couples are inherently better parents than same-sex couples, or that the children of lesbian or gay parents fare worse than children raised by heterosexual parents, those assertions find no support in the scientific research literature. When comparing the outcomes of different forms of parenting, it is critically important to make appropriate comparisons. For example, differences resulting from the number of parents in a household cannot be attributed to the parents’ gender or sexual orientation. Research in households with heterosexual parents generally indicates that – all else being equal – children do better with two parenting figures rather than just one. The specific research studies typically cited in this regard do not address parents’ sexual orientation, however, and therefore do not permit any conclusions to be drawn about the consequences of having heterosexual versus non-heterosexual parents, or two parents who are of the same versus different genders. Indeed, the scientific research that has directly compared outcomes for children with gay and lesbian parents with outcomes for children with heterosexual parents has been remarkably consistent in showing that lesbian and gay parents are every bit as fit and capable as heterosexual parents, and their children are as psychologically healthy and well-adjusted as children reared by heterosexual parents.

American Psychological Association, American Psychiatric Association, National Association of Social Workers, American Academy of Pediatrics, 2006

I think I'll take the word of the medical and scientific experts on this, rather than any "facts" that you've managed to pull from the encyclopedia of your ass.

as i said before, i rest comfortably.

Ah, and that is no doubt a direct result of the "ignorance is bliss" maxim.

Not only McArthur, but Eisenhower, too. Can you imagine what General Patton would say? These great American military men and countless others are truly rolling over in their graves.

Funny, none of them had anything to say on the matter of homosexuality.

But all of them considered service to their country to be far more important than any other quality.

So the fact that homosexuals want to serve and are able to pass muster to do so...would put them above most heterosexuals (military makes up about 1% of the US population).