you said it perfectly when you stated "what two consenting adults do with THEIR OWN lives."

but yet i cant watch tv without seeing the crap, my kids cant get an education without being indoctrinated by the crap and you wonder why straight people are sick of it all.

if its truly THEIR OWN lives, then get out of my living room when im watching tv and stay the hell out of my children's class room.

You are talking about public space. First I don't recall ever being "indoctrinated" in school. I think that is something you want to be true to strengthen your argument. Second, There are over 250 channels on TV, not all of them are geared toward you, if you don't like it change the channel? How about the people that don't want NASCAR on TV, or people that don't want Family Guy on TV, or people who don't want a Christian Channel? Can we get rid of all those too? I'm sick of a lot of things, I'm sick of fat chicks wearing clothes that are too small for them. I'm sick of donald trump on TV, I'm sick of American Idol, I'm sick of religious folk who impose themselves on other people. But you know what? I don't own this counrty, I contribute to it like everyone else. If you want your kids education to be more christian then put them in a christian school.

think about what you said. you dont recall being indoctrinated. your 28 dude. my 12 yr old is having to deal with crap today in school. as for me wanting my kids having a christian education...hmmmm, they cant have that in a public school can they, because people like you want the separation of church and state inforced, but its perfectly ok for teachers and students alike pushing gay life to others students and we straight parents are told to deal with it. as for tv...get their own cheannel, what an idea...talk with opra and her OWN network. if i want to watch gays then i will turn to that channel....but please remember what you first said....its THEIR OWN lives, so they dont need to make it a part of mine.

You don't want separation of church and state? You want your kids reading the Quran? Or Scientology books? Clearly if you teach christianity in public schools you have to teach the other religions as well. I know many many many teachers and none of them the ever push gay life on anyone. What is the point? And in what classroom are they teaching "gay"? The science class? History? I'm pretty sure if they were trying to "push" gay on people in public schools there would of course be a lawsuit, anytime a parent is offended it is brought to the courts. But i'm really at a loss for what they would actually be teaching them and in what classroom. There are always going to be gay people, if he has fellow students that are gay he doesn't have to talk to them or associate with them if he doesn't want to. I think every class has had gay kids. Less competition for the girls right?

this isnt about me wanting or not wanting separation of church and state, but im perfectly fine with religion taught in school, but all religions not just one. as this country of our have has people from all walks of life with different religious beliefs. but this is really about people like yourself wanting god or a god out of the school but its perfectly fine when schools put the act of being gay in sex education and social studies classes. but you see, wouldnt know these things because you have no children.

Being gay is in social studies? What they mention a gay person in the context of history? And what do they say in sex education about gay sex? What can you really say about it? Sex education is about teaching kids to be safe with whatever choice they choose. Kids are going to do what they want, and it's best to give them knowledge to protect them. If a kid see's a photo of a dick and really likes it, It wouldn't really matter if he saw that picture or not since he is clearly already gay and if it wasn't that picture it would be something else. The same way I am attracted to Jessica Alba, gay people are attracted to each other. It's not like they just decide one day to be gay just for the hell of it.

As far as religion in school goes. It is not the place of the government to teach your kid dogma. That is what sunday school is for. Religion is already taught in a historical context in History class. That is more than sufficient and also important. What classroom do you want them to teach religion in? Certainly not the science classroom.

sex education isnt the job of the government, its my job. anyway scroll down and look at another one of my posts.

ledzepp94: gay people are attracted to each other because they lusted after each other, it's a spirit. I have always wondered why when gay people, (man or women) came out of the closet that their contenance changes, the women have a very masculine look about them (and I am not talking just a change of clothing or the hair) and the men are very feminine,. It's because a feminine spirit comes on the men, and a masculine comes on the women, plain and simple. That's not being hateful it's just the truth, think about it!

if its truly THEIR OWN lives, then get out of my living room when im watching tv and stay the hell out of my children's class room.

Uhhh scotyyy, gay people could say the exact same thing about straight TV.

Did you ever once consider the fact every coin has 2 sides??

Suseq

No, this spirit you're talking about came from one parent families. The first time little Jimmy cracked up at school and laughed like his mom or a little girl, this was just the beginning of hardships he would suffer throughtout his life. There's nothing magical about being queer, rest assured.

but this is really about people like yourself wanting god or a god out of the school

God doesn't belong in public schols to begin with, per the Constitution!

sex education isnt the job of the government, its my job.

Yeah, because parents do such a wonderful job teaching their kids about sex. >sarc<

they cant have that in a public school can they, because people like you want the separation of church and state inforced

If you want your kids to have a "christian education," then send them to a christian school. But your religion/god has no place in public school, precisesly because we have a separation of church and state!

i will field this one since I do not care who someone knocks boots with or what they do or do not believe in or whatever they think their skin color is. The key word is private. Once it makes national news then their lives are no longer private. They are subject to critisism, dislike, like, love or what ever other emotion people have on the subject. They are subject to the words that other people may use to express their emotions on well any subject.

That is real freedom and what sets you free is knowing that it matters naught what others think but what you think.

Jonathan Smith: I dont give a care what people do in their private lives, and yes it disturbs me but I know that what they do wrong is between them and God, I just pray for them. And btw, I do not feel that just because a person is gay that they will go to hell more so then a person that lies or comitts adultery, etc. we go to hell because we dont have a relationship with God. We have to strive daily to do what is right in His eyes.

unfortunately we will.

As long as there are bigots like Scott who want the government to enforce their sharia laws against gays, the issue of gay rights will be in the news.

Once gays have full civil rights throughout the country and are no longer 2nd-class citizens, it'll no longer be in the news.

So? Like the article said, it's called being honest. There is no point in leaving someone out of the history books just because they are gay. It's like those silly texans that think if they selectively choose pieces and characters from history that they will someone be helping children. Wrong. If you leave Thomas Jefferson out of the text books because he is a liberal (yes they tried to do this), you are NOT helping your child. If someone made an important contribution to history, their sexual orientation is irrelevant. I don't think they are just sprinkling random gay people in the text books. They are talking about removing the exclusion barrier if someone has some historical purpose, i.e. walt whitman. You're right, I don't have a child, but if I did I wouldn't want that child to go off to college and ask his professor, who is J Edgar Hoover? Considering his historical importance and impact on current day federal institutions.

tell me why its so damn important for kids to know J Edgar Hoover was gay or not? what his sexual activities were was his business. as you stated before, its THEIR OWN lives.

Like you can hide it. Not to mention there are gay students you know. Isolating them and making them feel like sh*t isn't going to help anyone. Like I said, exposing kids to historical figures who are gay is not going to make them gay. If the kids are gay, they are gay. It's the law of attraction, you are either attracted to someone or you aren't. I don't know what you're concern is, but I can tell you there are a lot of kids that have committed suicide because they feel like worthless human beings at no fault of their own, these are kids after all.

correction...these kids are killing themselves because idiots are telling them its ok to come out but dont tell them how to deal with the pressure involved when other kids and/or family members find out. way to go supporters of gay and lesbians.

if they're is any gay students, then they need to contact family and friends to learn about it. as this is a sexual preference that refers to sex and should be discussed with his or her parents. as i said before, the government shouldnt be getting involved with the sex of the peoples children.

Ok, so I'll tell you what, I'll agree with you that Sex Education in general should not be taught in public schools. This doesn't include anatomy of course.

from The CDC

Shows like "Teen Mom" and "16 and Pregnant" have helped make teen pregnancy a topic of national conversation. However, the latest data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention show that the actual rate of teen pregnancies in the U.S. has declined to a record low.

In 2009, around 410,000 teenage girls, ages 15 to 19, gave birth in the United States. That's a 37 percent decrease from the teen birth rate in1991. Then, 61.8 births per every 1,000 females was a teen pregnancy. The rate has now dropped to 39.1 births per 1,000 women. Yet according to the United Nations, the rate of teen pregnancy in the United States is nearly nine times higher than in the majority of other developed nations.

In a press release attached to the new Vital Signs report, Dr. Thomas R. Frieden, the director of the CDC, wrote that despite the steady reduction in teen pregnancies over the last two decades, "still far too many teens are having babies."

"Preventing teen pregnancy can protect the health and quality of life of teenagers, their children, and their families throughout the United States."

The Vital Signs report looked at data from 1991 to 2009 and found that in addition to the steady decrease in the rate of teen pregnancies, there's also been a decrease in the percentage of high school students even having sex. More teens are using contraception, too; the CDC says the percentage of students who had sexual intercourse in the past three months without using any type of contraception decreased from sixteen percent to 12 percent while the percentage of students using two forms of contraception (for example, a condom and birth control pills) increased from 5 to 9 percent.

Still, roughly 1,100 teenage women give birth every day. According to the CDC, that means one of every ten new mothers is a teenager. The majority are Hispanic or African-American, with respective birth rates nearly double that of white teenagers. Combined, all teen pregnancies cost taxpayers about $9 billion a year.

OH sex education in public schools at its best.

Well, you have to keep in mind that no matter where they get their education from, whether from the school or the parents, it is up to them to use it. When you are 14 you will pretty much bang anything. Shows like Teen Mom and the like are stupid and depressing, they just tell these kids hey, if you get knocked up we can put you on a TV show and make you famous. I don't like MTV.

Preach it Scottyyyy: Well if my children were young and still in public school there is no way that they would be going to a public school, and yes I home schooled my children to protect them from stuff like that, its a sin and I did not want my children exposed to that. When my children were in school in the 80's I told them that being gay is a sin and am not one bit ashamed of it either, at least if they ever turn out that way (turn away from God that is) they cant say that no one ever told them. The bible says that if we are ashamed of Him he will be ashamed of us. You know a lot of people would like us to think that there are a lot of gays in this world but if the truth be known its a lot less then what the liberal media would like us to think!!!

The reason shows like "Teen Mom" reduced teen pregnancy rates is that the shows depict the realities of teen motherhood- partner usually unavailable or unreliable, much more difficult, if not impossible, to get an education, much more difficult to hold a job, almost no social life, constant exhaustion, constant family court battles, etc. Adolescent girls are getting a much bleaker picture of motherhood than the fantasies they have of playing house with an angelic child who only smiles and naps. When the show debuted, everyone thought teen pregnancy rates would go up because teenagers would want to get pregnant to be on TV, but the opposite actually happened.

Scottyyyy- "They" can't "push" gay life on kids in school. Just like you can't be convinced or coerced into being gay because you are not attracted to men, straight children cannot be turned into gay children. Just like black children in the sixties deserved to learn about their role models in history, as they do today, and just like girls deserved to learn about their role models in history, like they do today, then gay chilren also deserve to learn about their role models. They deserve to be recognized for their accomplishments and contributions to this country.

Well said!

God does not change and neither does His Law.

Then what is the point of the entire New Testament???

In fact the coming of Jesus changed EVERYTHING.

As a graduate of Lexington Christian Academy and an agnostic it never ceases to amaze me how many "deeply religious" people are so totally ignorant about religion.

We don't follow God's laws in this country. Hate to break it to you, but they're entirely irrelevant.

-usher347 - God does not change and neither does His Law.

Deuteronomy 21:18-21......Kill your disobedient children.

I hope all you bible-thumpers follow The Word of your imaginary friend to the letter!

Sarah: hate to break it to you, but there are a lot of people that DO follow God's law, thou shalt not steal, thou shalt not murder, etc., so how is it it irrelevant? Oh, yeh, I forgot this is 2012 some people dont follow God's law much, I mean really, pick up the newspaper!

Hate to break it to YOU, suseq (actually, I enjoy it), but what Sarah means is that our government and laws are NOT based on "God's law" or the bible; they are irrelevant to our laws and government in this country.

BTW, laws against stealing, murder, etc., were in place long before organized religion came along, including your book of fairy tales written by your imaginary friend. I mean really, pick up a history book!

Suseq,

Things like murder and theft are illegal, NOT because they're in the Bible or "God says so", but because they infringe upon the rights of other citizens. That's why worshiping false idols and obeying the sabbath AREN'T illegal.

I mean really, pick up a civics text book.

Sorry guys, err girls, but God gave us a conscience so yes acting and doing right was because of that, NOT because of anything good in us, its because we choose to do right, I wouldnt pat myself on the back too much because the bible says that there is none that does good, no not one. Anything good in me is because of God, not anything that I do on my own excepting obeying my conscience. I mean really the laws that were in place before the bible was written still came from God, whether you want to admit it or not. But then our sinful nature does not want to admit that there is a God because when we acknowledge that fact then we have to make a decision to live for Him or not, and our sinful nature does not want to serve Him, that is where choice comes in.

Suseq,

See, you only got about five words in, before your post became completely irrelevant to anyone but you. We don't give a @!$%# what YOUR God gave, said, wrote or juggled for that matter. We're completely free from YOUR God. OUR Constitution says so. Our laws in this country are in place to protect us from our government and to ensure a social contract.

I know it must make you feel super futile, that you can't force your crap of a religion on us, but you can't. Choice comes in, when I choose NOT to give a flying, rat's behind what you think about YOUR God.

Suseq, "God" did not give me anything; my parents -- and therefore evolution -- did that.

I mean really the laws that were in place before the bible was written still came from God, whether you want to admit it or not.

Saying that there is a god does not make it true, whether you want to admit it or not. People inhabited this planet long before there was any religion.

You have made a choice to believe in these fairy tales, and that is a choice you're entitled to make. However, you're not entitled to inflict that choice on the rest of us -- and most importantly, you are not entitled to present your chosen book, and its accompanying imaginary friend, as "real" or "true". YOUR right to believe what you want ends where MY right to believe in reality begins.

but God gave us a conscience so yes acting and doing right was because of that, NOT because of anything good in us, its because we choose to do right

"I believe in free will cause I have no choice." (forgot who said it)

"Of course we have free will, we don't have a choice!" - Christopher Hitchens, a true god among men :)

Bill Donahue is that you??

What a disgrace to America and morality. Why is this even reported?

An opportunity for the bigots to tow their homes to a country they like better??

"Judge not, lest ye be so judged". Sucks to be you!

Homosexuality just the word makes me sick

Sounds like there's a couple of studies on suppressed homosexual tendencies that apply to you!

Rick: The bible says that God is not mocked whatsoever a man soweth that shall he also reap, and the wisdom of man is foolishness with God. Since I was a Christian btw. when I had my children they were never told about the Easter Bunny, Santa Clause, the tooth fairy, why lie to your children. It does not surprise me and other Christians that gay marriage is so widespread in this country, God is coming soon, dont believe it fine, choose ye this day whom you will serve. And no I am not trying to scare anyone, the bible requires me to tell you. Read Ezekeil chapter 33 verse 8. Someone told me now I am telling you.

I feel soo sorry for you as you were brainwashed by the silly fairytale of religion. I shake my fist at your silly powerless god and DARE it to try anything... It will never happen because of the myth you fools follow does NOT exist... Wake up to reality... You are conceived (not by some miracle of divine intervention just from a simple face of biology) You are born...you live from a minute to a 100 years and you die...That it the end no more... And you still believe your silly powerless god is coming to this world..you got a long wait as it will never happen...good luck

Rick, no, I feel sorry for you because of your hatred you are missing out, I have the peace that passes all understanding, and joy unspeakable and full of glory, you cant understand that because they are spiritually discernedm and you wont understand it until you make a step towards God. If your fleshly ways and your material things make you happy, more power to you.

Phraze the lord ...LOL you silly little christian fool. Why would I want to take steps toward something that doesn't exist. And I will enjoy all this life offers me. because there is nothing after my heart stops and I take my last breath. You the one who need to wake from reality... Stop reading the book of lies and renounce yourself form the silliness.

Oh and for the record..Why is it you silly christians think just because of us that don't believe in your god or any other god-myth think we hate you? We don't hate you oryour non existent god or the book of lies you get your information at. Just sayin

Why is it that everything that comes out of your mouth is hateful, but that's ok because the bible also says that because they hated God first they will also hate us, (Christians that is!) I mean really, God has never done anything to you, and just because you feel He may have never done anything for you (except to die on the cross for your sins,( because you do have them)does not mean He does not exist, you are here arent you????????? If you think there is no God then tell me why you can not be perfect and do no wrong each and every day, try it, because I can tell you that you will do one thing or another that is not right. I know one thing that each of us do every single day, we cannot control our tongue, because the bible says that no man can tame it! But you go on being in denial on the surface because I know deep down you DO believe in God! And btw I see way more hateful things coming out of non Christians then the other way around. Also giving an opinion about something does not make one a hater, if I tell you that it is wrong to be skinny would you get as mad then if I tell you I feel that the bible says its wrong to be gay. If you are truly honest with yourself you know I am right, its because it hits too close to home for some people and it makes them feel guilty.

suseq1591 - I mean really, God has never done anything to you

Neither has Odin or the Tooth Fairy. I wonder why that is?

It's only bible-thumpers like yourself who "do things" to other people, not your imaginary sky wizard. Maybe you should learn that lesson and stop doing unto others? Keep your bizarre cult where it belongs - in your own life, not the lives of other people.

But you go on being in denial on the surface because I know deep down you DO believe in God!

Sounds like you're rather insecure in your faith and need other people to believe in your religious nonsense. Do you believe in Odin, Loki and Quetzalcoatl? If not, why not?

suseq...Man do you have issues...get some help and first off to get the record straight...I do NOT believe in your silly fictional god. as this does not exist...I used to be like you then my eyes have been opened. As far as hate goes how many of you silly believers as christians have you killed Millions upon millions over the centuries. second quit quoting from that silly book of lies(bible)..Religion was only invented by humans (and I mean ALL of them) because humans was afraid of death. I hope one day you will renounce this silly foolishness and life your life far from these lies...You are probably soo brainwashed you will take it to your grave. Maybe other non believers like myself say hateful thing but I do not hate you or the silly myth you follow. Remember this is all a fairytale when you die your going to die we was not placed here humans evolved to be the dominate species on this planet. Something for you to ponder...I await your response....LOL

And hats off to you shrekk ..you seem like a level headed person who also had woke in up from the lies and deception of religion. She and all these "believer" should listen to Bill Maher... He is brilliant and a fellow Atheist.

See y'all fairytale believer suseq can't stand up for a debate as her position is soo weak. For you christian fools ..Wake up and renounce believing in your silly little non existent god as it doesn't exist. Plain and simple face...When you die you die

If the defense of equal rights hurts you so much, perhaps you should live in Iran.

Disgraceful.

Except, this is NOT a nation "founded under God". Further, the book where your God is found does not reference that god saying anything about same-sex marriage.

BobbyMac1: Preach it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Too bad for you christo-bigots, BobbyMac and suseq, that your god is irrelevant to our laws. We were not founded "under God," or as a Christian nation.

LOL oh these silly little christians who believe in the book of lies (bible)and their silly powerless god. Note the lower case c, b and g.

BobbyMac1: Preach it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Better be careful what you call that @!$%#, proselytizing is against NV policy.

You'd have an easier job of understanding if you considered the actual facts, which are that any where between 51 and 53% of Americans support same-sex marriage.

Even 71% of Catholics and 73% of Jews support marriage equality. Most of the opposition comes from Southern Baptists, Mormons and other evangelicals, groups which have always been profoundly racist, homophobic, and misogynistic.

there is no devil or powerless god you seem to worship... Cast off religion ...it is a lie

Martha dear, read some history. Man and women existed long before anyone wrote that silly book, as did same sex marriage.

I think you been with too many monkeys yourself..... No silly powerless god created anything..wake op from the fairytale of religion...Oh do you believe in santa and his 8 flying reindeer too?

as youer souls also will hear chirst

GED first, post nonsense second.

I went to a Justic of the Peach once. I got a great cobbler, but that was about it.

Service is at 10:30 am for me. Everything we say, do and think is a form of worship. What is it that you will be worshipping today my friend?

Everything we say, do and think is a form of worship.

Wow, some of you people have some @!$%#ed up worship then!

and trying to take

our private firearms

Please cite one just one fact, source or evidence to support that assinine claim.

dummy

God has promised that America will be paid double for her abominations....

Really, which book of the bible is "America" mentioned in??

Or as I suspect it is the book of "Imabigotanwannaspewhaytanbigotryians"??

In 1997 I was training new over the road truck drivers, one night parked in NJ a student wakes up screaming, "We have to read Revelation 18," twice. After reading this chapter he began poking on this Bible screaming, "Babylon, leader of the world, will be destroyed from the East to the West, in one hour, it will split the midnight hour." He was asleep when I drove into this place and he had never been in this area before. Immediately after saying this there was a crash in front of our tractor. We jump up to see a trailer directly in front of us and on the side of the trailer was 3 letter with 3 words. The letters were G.O.D. and the words Guaranteed Overnight Delivery. Dale and I were convinced that night that America is the Mystery Babylon.

Man can say, "I sincerely believe this or that," but that certainly does not change the facts about the truth... It took man approximately 1500 years after Christ to decide the earth was round and not flat, that the earth revolved around the sun instead of the sun revolving around the earth, and that the earth was in space.

Isaiah 40:22
It is He who sits above the circle of the earth, And its inhabitants are like grasshoppers, Who stretches out the heavens like a curtain, And spreads them out like a tent to dwell in.

Job 26:7
He stretches out the north over empty space; He hangs the earth on nothing. The Bible describes the Earth’s crust (along with a comment on astronomy).

Man’s so called wisdom in thinking he knows all that there is to be known is all but an illusion to him. True wisdom is gained from what man has experienced in life. There is nothing in this life that man can say for a certainty, unless he has seen, or experienced directly or indirectly that which pertains to his statements, beliefs, or faith. In other words, for man to say, “I know God does not exist,” just because he personally has not experienced a life changing event is nothing less than pure ignorance.al that America is the mystery Babylon in Revelation 18

Many in the world are delusional thinking that America is the only hope for world peace….. The only hope for world peace in with the Man of Peace, Christ Jesus.
Were it not for the Bible there would be no absolute truth in the world. Truth would be subjective to each of us as we decide what we perceived as to what is right and wrong. Hitler saw himself as being right in murder millions during his reign of terror.
One revelation from God is worth far more than the knowledge gained from all the books in the world written by men who have no understanding or comprehension of the absolute truth of God’s WORD

Knowledge and understanding of His ways are veiled to those that deny God's presences in this life.

Watchman, you admitted in another post that it was a hallucination that kept you from MURDERING someone.

You need psychiatric help.

Misscreant

You are greatly mistaken, it was not a hallucination, but it was a vision given me by the Almighty.

I sure wish I was a lot smarter to explain this to you. But, please tell me, if you had been taught English, but have never heard of there being another language in the world other than English and suddenly someone walked up to you who only spoke Spanish, would not that person seem like a fool? You wouldn't be able to understand even one word they were saying.... You accept only that which you understand.

1 Corinthians 2:14
The person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them because they are discerned only through the Spirit.

John 14:17
the Spirit of truth. The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him. But you know him, for he lives with you and will be in you.

1 Corinthians 6:19
Do you not know that your bodies are temples of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own;

Acts 2:17
“‘In the last days, God says, I will pour out my Spirit on all people. Your sons and daughters will prophesy, your young men will see visions, your old men will dream dreams.

John 16:13
But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all the truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come.

Acts 2:38
Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

Ephesians 2:2
in which you used to live when you followed the ways of this world and of the ruler of the kingdom of the air, the spirit who is now at work in those who are disobedient.

1 Peter 3:18
For Christ also suffered once for sins, the righteous for the unrighteous, to bring you to God. He was put to death in the body but made alive in the Spirit.

You are greatly mistaken, it was not a hallucination, but it was a vision given me by the Almighty.

There's no difference, psychologically.

it was not a hallucination, but it was a vision given me by the Almighty.

Same thing really! When someone claims to be seeing things, they get locked up in a psychiatric institution. But if they say it's "from god," they get a free pass? Something's not right about that! Delusion is delusion, no matter the source!

but the grandiose presentation involving the military personnel

That's been going on for hundreds of years. How many times before now were you complaining about it?