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Subscribe to RSSCHICAGO - A former Boy Scout who says he was sexually assaulted when he was 10 by his now-imprisoned former troop leader sued the Boy Scouts of America on Tuesday, citing recently released files the group secretly maintained on suspected molesters in its ranks.
The lawsuit claims that the Boy Scouts allowed Thomas Hacker, a Scout leader barred from the group after a 1970s felony sex abuse conviction in Indiana, to rejoin as a volunteer in Illinois in the 1980s, and he went on to molest more boys, including the plaintiff.
Hacker was arrested in 1988 and convicted in 1989 of the aggravated sexual assault of an 11-year-old member of his troop in the southwest suburbs of Chicago.
Now 75, Hacker is serving two concurrent 50-year prison terms as a result of his conviction. His defense attorney in the 1989 case called him "a classic pedophile - and sick beyond that," according to a Chicago Tribune story at the time.
The lawsuit filed Tuesday by a man identified only as John Doe claimed that Hacker sexually assaulted him when he was 10 years old -- after Hacker re-joined the Scouts in Illinois.
"While we have not seen this lawsuit, we deeply regret that there have been times when Scouts were abused, and for that we are very sorry and extend our deepest sympathies to victims," Boy Scouts of America spokesman Deron Smith said in a statement.
The suit draws on details unearthed this fall when the Boy Scouts of America, one of the country's largest youth organizations, was forced by an Oregon Court to release internal documents they kept on scout leaders and volunteers who were suspected sexual predators.
The files go back almost to the organization's founding in 1910 and were known as the "red files," the "perversion files" and the "ineligible volunteer files."
Boy Scouts release secret child abuse files
Roughly 20,000 pages of files, spanning from 1965 to 1985, were released this fall by order of the Oregon Supreme Court, after a jury in the state found the Scouts liable in a 1980s pedophile case and ordered it to pay nearly $20 million in damages.
Ineligible volunteer list
Lawyers involved in the Illinois case said it is one of the first to be filed with evidence gleaned from the massive document release. The records released this fall on about 1,200 "ineligible volunteers" contained a detailed dossier on Hacker.
That dossier included a warning from a Scout leader in Indiana to national officials that Hacker had been "arrested for homosexual activity with many boys both in Scouting and through the school in which he was teaching."
Hacker was subsequently convicted of the felony sexual assault of a 14-year-old boy in the junior high school in Indiana where he worked. In a letter from the national office to the Indiana Scout council, a top official wrote: "Under no circumstances do we want registered in Scouting," according to the complaint.
Lawyer releases list of alleged Boy Scout molesters
Hacker was added on the secret "ineligible volunteer" list the national organization maintained, according to the lawsuit. But a decade later when he left Indiana and moved to Illinois and became active again in Scouting, no one conducted a background check or ran his name against the list of known and suspected pedophiles.
That failure, the lawsuit claims, shows the Boy Scout's efforts to prevent pedophiles from infiltrating its ranks "did not function as it was intended, was flawed, and in many cases ineffective."
The Boy Scouts of America says it now requires even suspected cases of child molestation to be reported immediately to law enforcement and says keeping the old files secret protects victims.
Last week, a Texas appeals court sided with the group, saying the Scouts did not have to turn over its post-1985 files describing sexual abuse complaints against volunteers.
"The Boy Scouts have taken the view that keeping these files secret protects the children," said Christopher Hurley, the Chicago attorney representing John Doe in the case filed Tuesday.
"But in this case it obviously didn't work. It may protect the molesters and the Boy Scouts, but it's not in the best interests of children."
The BSA's Smith said that in the past 30 years the group has added background checks and training programs, and requires law enforcement to be told when there are "even suspicions" of abuse.
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Since some form of sublimated pederasty is the basis for all educational, sporting and military organizations, this can never be eliminated.
Wrong Doug...Perverts go where children are...so as long as society has a group of children gathered together for any reason...perverts will be there. The only way to eliminate it is to kill the perverts. If we did this, we may not stop the perverts from existing...but we may make them too scared to act on their sick fantasies. "To all perverts...Act and you DIE" could be the educational campaign we launch on TV.
It has nothing to do with sublimated pederasty, and your assertion that sublimated pederasty exist in so many areas in life makes me wonder what's going on in your mind.
Why do people keep using big words? This is the second day in a row I had to Google a word or phrase. Yesterday it was "Dun" and today is "Sublimated Pederasty". Y'all be makin me smart an @!$%#....
I think that this case needs to be viewed in terms of the time at which this occurred. This was in the days before computers made distributing and searching long lists practical of even feasible for most organizations. Th fact that this guy moved to a different state means that the leadership in the new state likely was unaware of his past. I am not making excuses for BSA as they obviously could have done more, but then that could be said of almost any organization. The real question is were the steps they took to keep this guy from coming back into scouting reasonable for the time. Given that many people share the same name and this was in the days before computer background checks were available to these types of organizations, I have to question whether they could reasonably have known this was the same guy from the other state. I know that it is very easy to say that this would have been simple to prevent, but you have to think of it in terms of the days before the desktop computer. The PC did not really come about until the early 90's, so this factor must be considered when viewing this case. Could scouting have prevented this, possibly. However, what resources would that have required at the time and was it reasonable to expect an organization supported by donations to expend that level of resources to prevent what was no doubt a fairly rare occurrence, someone moving to a different state and returning to the organization in that new state.
Back in those days the military did background checks on thousands and thousands of people before they were granted a security clearance, that was before computers. The question it seems, is whether you really want to protect the children in your organization. It's obvious that BSA did not.
I for one am happy that this lawsuit is going forward and I hope that the Boy Suits lose everything. How in the hell can they say in one breath that gays are evil and yet they have pedophiles doing god knows what to young boys and keeping secret files on it. This is ridiculous.
The BSA protected molesters as surely as the Roman Catholic Church did. An organization that will not let an eligible Eagle Scout accept his award because he is gay, permitted many offenders to obtain positions of power over young boys. I am outraged. Everyone should be outraged. As to the expenditure of funds- nothing is more precious than the innocence of a child. It is beyond value. Shame on you.
Spot on, Doug.
More than anything else, the BSA has been nothing but a training ground for perverts and molesters. Just like the Cathaholic Church and ALL forms of spectator sports - and you don't have to go all the way to Penn State to realize this. Most sterotypes have their roots in reality somewhere and "queer as an Eagle Scout" is no exception.
The background checks that the military did for security clearances were possible because they had the personnel to accomplish them. They literally used to check everything on the applications in person if necessary. They didn't just call the people on your reference list, they visited them. The Boy Scouts don't have those kinds of resources.
The BSA is no better than the RC or any other church (or Penn State as one very recent example)....they talk a big talk about honor, respect, and caring for children and nothing could be further from the truth...they have all worked very hard at protecting the wolves among the lambs. I hope they continue to be sued out of existance.
Don't even give this sick F--k a trial put up against the wall and put a bullet in his head
Re: PhilCommander -
There's a catch, though. If the pervert is a parent who is also supporting a family, said family loses its breadwinner. According to many NBC discussion posters, Facebook memes, and loud commentators during and after the election, going on welfare for any reason, and collecting food stamps are the among the worst things anyone can do in our society. So is a kid going to tell on a parent or the friend of a parent, knowing that?
like everything else; before this story gets cold another 4 or 5 boys will say "yeah he forced me to have sex."
@William Marinaro: Perhaps you didn't notice, but the perp has already been convicted. I won't even go in to the fact that you discount a basic right to trial.
Just like bears are attracted to honey, pedophiles go to where children gather. The larger the group or organization where children gather, the more likely there will be pedophiles there to exploit these children. We've seen it again and again recently. The larger the group or organization, the more likely that organization will protect their pedophiles over the children in order to protect their reputation. The more money involved, the higher the stakes only makes it more likely that these organizations will protect their pedophiles. I purposely use the word their to state that these pedophiles belong to the organizations because once these organization protect them over the children, they own the actions of these pedophiles. Some of these organizations actually have pedophiles organized in them to help protect each other. These organizations include BOA, schools, sports organizations, churches, child care business and you name it - if there are children gathered there, then there are probably pedophiles as well. Parents need to arm their children letting them know what conduct and activities are correct for adults to do with them. They need to know it is safe for them to come tell you and remember this part ### many pedophiles threaten harm to a child's parents if the child tells anyone ### so make sure to let your children know if anyone says something like this to them that they can tell you and that person will not be able to do anything because he'll be sent to jail. Intimidation is the biggest tool these sick people use against children!
TheKhanKubla A friend of mine told me about being abused in the 1950s, and that his abuser said, "If you tell anyone, I will kill your mother." For the average 6 to 14-year old, that type of threat is real and very scary.
Someone eventually informed police about that abuser. The police interviewed all the young boys and girls in the neighborhood, because that abuser targeted both sexes. My friend was afraid to tell the police anything, because of fearing that somehow the abuser would kill his mother.
It's a severe mental disorder whhich pushes these individuals to abuse children and others. Obviously they should not be on the streets.
One has to wonder if some of our legislators are not so affected. Where are the laws which would institutionalize -- for life -- these extremely ill people?
@ElkMeadow, you said:
"There's a catch, though. If the pervert is a parent who is also supporting a family, said family loses its breadwinner."
Helloooooooooo......, the family loses its breadwinning pervert parent to prison anyhow! No parent who is a pervert will make any income for his/her said family.
Soooo, what your point now, mister!
DON'T MISS THE TRUTH!
There are child molesters who are administrators, politicians, farmers, businessmen, doctors--they're not people you can pick out from a crowd. You probably work with one, and you won't find out until you see him (or her) on the news.
I know the truth. Everyone keeps quiet, the family keeps its false face on, dad doesn't go to jail, kids get to stay in the same school, keep the same friends. No one has to leave the house, the paycheck stays steady, and so it goes.
The truth? How do you think I know so much about it?
I was the kid who kept her mouth shut.
Dad's dead now. Coward am I? Yes. Did he have anything to do with BSA, a church, school stuff, or anywhere there were other kids? No. He was the grow-your-own type. I never invited my friends over, and neither did my sister, and once she learned what he was doing, mom never invited anyone over either, and she became his jailer, so that he wouldn't go off and marry someone else and be able to get to other children.
Aren't you happy that you didn't have to pay taxes for his prison upkeep, and for mine and my sister's foster care, or our family's food stamps? <end sarcasm
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I am very sorry about your situation ElkMeadow, but it seems to me you are missing the point. I would have been happy to contribute to your fathers incarceration if it meant that he could not continue to molest you and your sister. I also would have been happy to contribute to counseling for all of your family members. I feel you have some issues that still need to be addressed and I pray you all get the help you need. Back to the original story, it is very clear that pedophiles exist EVERYWHERE in every form of race, religion, gender, sexual prefrences, and age. I was first molested at age five by a seven year old who learned it from her father who learned it from his Pastor and so on and so on..........The days of the cover ups has to end and NOW. The stories need to be yelled from the rooftops fingers need to be pointed and the truth has to be told ALWAYS and by EVERYONE or it shall never have a conclusion. In order toi have closure there needs to be openess first!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
Bah, I am 73. It was common knowledge, even when I was a kid, that many of the scout masters were queers.
That is one reason why I would never give a penny to the united way. A large portion of its donations are given to pedophiles. Then they made the boys pay for most of their expenses anyway. It's worse that the red cross.
howsweetitis......................ElkMeadow didn't miss any point, you did. Read what she wrote again. She lived it, how the hell could she miss the point???
And to ElkMeadow..............You weren't a coward baby. And you're a hero now.
Really Dumb Comment.
Really Doug, how exactly does this apply organization with women. And I am pretty sure you have to be an age of consent to enter the military, unless of course there is some kids military I don't know about.
As mentioned above, it the gathering of kids that brings draws these people in. I can't even believe I am commenting to this nitwit comment, but A+ on dumbassery.
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The problem here is the Boy Scouts did what they thought was best for the kids, which had the added benefit of saving their brand. I get that, that was the thinking when the program started. What I don't get is in 100 years no one ever thought to update, even after the church fiasco. The more we find out about predators, the more we know they can't be stopped and usually progress into violence. The should have updated with the times, when we started teaching kids about good/bad touches, they should have started reporting pedophiles to the cops. There is no excuse for this, which I would add would still be unknown if they were forced by a court to reveal.
Which brings me to my point, the Boy Scouts of late were to busy addressing a group that presented the least danger to their boys, homosexuals, instead of addressing the people who had actually committed crimes against those same boys. That is inexcusable, the numbers don't lie, homosexuals are the group that is least likely to molest children. It's OK for Joe Blow scout leader to believe this or that, and to believe this group is most likely to do this or that, he's not setting the policies that will ultimately be best for the boys.
But the higher ups, the ones who set policy, the ones who has access to these files, the ones who went on their anti-gay crusade, should not be in those positions if they can't get past their own prejudices/fears and focus on what is best for the boys. And without a doubt, these people should be fired for not updating a 100 year old policy that protected predators and created so many more victims. I also think anyone involved in covering up a felony in the past 10 years should do some time, it is a crime to not report a felony. In this day and age you do not cover up felonies, especially when it involves a child.
I suspect we will find out that a lot of this was done to protect the brand, and the BS they are feeding us about protecting the kids, is just that, BS from people really screwed up. Just like the Catholic Church, and just like Penn State, just like how many institution we don't know about. Keep in mind, like the church, the aholes protecting pedophiles, are the same aholes out there bashing and discriminating against homosexuals. One group committed felonies by not reporting, the other committed no crime, but one is ostracized, while the other ensured more kids were molested.
They should have worried about the very real problems in their organization and left the imaginary problems of gays in the ranks to the knuckle draggers who can't get past something that doesn't effect them in any way. Bring in some 21st century leadership, leadership that will protect and ensure kids in the 21st century aren't being lead by homophobes who protect pedophiles.
Iwonder: Pedophiles are not "queers" (your words)...Gay, lesbian or straight is consentual, an adult relationship...pedophiles like CHILDREN and not consentual! I cannot believe how ignorant this world still is...geez. Be suspicious always when adults are with children...period.
IWonder, being homosexual and being a pedophile are two different things.
you ever see the adults AND misfit kids associated with the Boy Scouts???? And people are surprised when things like this happen... go figure.
My grandson seemed to enjoy the Scouts for several years. Once he was able to cross over to full fledged boy scout he opted out. I was dismayed until all this stuff came up. Glad that he is out now.
There should never be parole for pedophiles, no matter how well behaved they may be in prison. They need to be sent to a halfway house and wear a monitor for at least two years. I think they should really insert gps tracking devices in them, but gasp, that might infringe on their rights.
The federal government needs to make a database with every person convicted of sexual abuse of a child, and require states to keep tabs on them. They also need to allow any group that has children access it; whether it is a club, church, school or daycare. They should be able to (for a small fee) send a picture or fingerprints, not just the person's name (in case they use an alias) to see if they are a convicted pedophile. It will not stop every case but it might put a dent in the number of cases of repeat offenders.
I think that the Boy Scouts of America should be disbanded for a time and maybe forever. I know that the organization has strong supporters and that many boys have benefited from the program. But, the cover-up has been as bad as the crimes. I also think (and know that many will disagree with me) that organizations serving children should involve women. I know this will not eliminate the abuse of children and I know that many child abusers are women but, rarely do women sexually abuse children.
Thank you for your kind words, SoSickoftheGop.
howsweetitis, I'm sorry for what happened to you.
For the record, I knew other girls who told on their dads, and they ended up being mistreated by the same social services that were supposed to help them, by adults who should have treated them better, being moved from all that was familiar to them-- schools, friends, houses, 4-H clubs, and Sunday Schools, even the town and states they lived in-- and having to move in with relatives who despised or pitied them or couldn't afford to take care of them, living in poverty, being ostracized in school and on the playground, having people snoop in and make rude remarks about the family's grocery cart when the food stamps came out, and going into high school with everyone knowing, everyone judging.
That the hell that I avoided by not telling on my dad.
I am a homosexual. In 1955 I met a person and became intimate with him. He was a Boy Scout Master and in a short time I was part of the BSA organization on his insistence. With no experience or background I was an Assistant Scout Master. I became a member of the Order of the Arrow. This scenario went on for approximately 1 year. The affair ended when he decided that marriage would cover for him. He married and they settled in to a blissful relationship. I must mention that he was a high school social studies teacher and I think she also taught in some capacity. I understand the relationship ended when she arrived at home early one afternoon and found him in bed with a male student. He was not a pedifile as far as I can say but if the student was under 18, then anything was ok to him. His life was the Boy Scouts of America and it turned out to be a sad life for him. I have no problems. I was able to move on without any hangups because young people are not my preference.
@ercillor-2107261....I do not think that an 'illness' when you have a CHOICE whether you abuse a kid or not...is NOT an illness. Fear of castration or death would stop these sickos....
Wow what an uninformed collection of clowns we have on here, lets list them.
First, lets start with the fact that this whole lawsuit is based on alleged "repressed memories". Oh yeah, this is nothing but a money grab by someone and a lawyer wanting a payday. Convenient how MSNBC left that part out of their article.
Second, being heterosexual, gay or lesbian defines exclusively who you desire as a sexual partner. Being any of those does not exclude you from being a pedophile. If you are a man who likes young boys you are in fact a gay pedophile. Stop trying to deny there are gay men who like boys.
Third, sick of the vapid BSA haters who hate the BSA solely because they do not allow gay members or leaders. They use that anger to make outlandish charges of coverups, etc. to wish the organization away. No organization is perfect but your constant screeching is becoming tedious. If you want to be accepted for what you are, return the favor.
Me, I went to 3 BSA meetings as a kid so I don't have a dog in the fight. I could care less if you are gay and want to get married, more power to you. The lawyers need the work when you divorce. If they are busy divorcing you they won't have time for BS lawsuits like the one above. Oh, and before you go there, same sex partners divorce at much higher rates than heterosexual partners so spare me your false virtue.
Just so sick of the attack dog mentality of the G&L community.
No, it means that you're attracted to prepubescent or pubescent minors. A paraphilia like pedophilia isn't the same thing as an adult sexual orientation.
90% of pedophiles self-identify as straight and a similar percentage are in opposite-sex marriages (like Jerry Sandusky), yet 60% of those will abuse children of either gender given the opportunity.
That's not to say that there aren't people who self-identify as gay in their adult relationships who are also pedophiles, but it's a very small percentage of pedophiles. In the case of the BSA the main problem seems to come from married men who identify as straight.
It's time to take a closer look at our Caucasian volunteer organizations. There is clearly something amiss with our white males between the ages of 35-65.....this unhealthy fascination with sex and perversion with little boys must end......Parents, be mindful of the people you entrust around your kids......
Trust me, it's not the population, it's the flippin legal system. Parents are NOT ALLOWED to take care of their children or their childrens tormentors and abusers!!!
Put that right back in parents hands and trust me!!! An eye for and eye as they say!!!
In all fairness, I'm sure we would catch more African American pedophiles if most weren't already in jail by the time they were 20.
BWTCHn - what do you say to parents who molest and rape their own children?
I'm with FloridaMaggie on this one.
Most molesters are family members, many times they are a parent, and they are also parents when they are invited to sign up to volunteer for children organizations. Most places would wonder why a single man wants to hang out with boys, but if he's a husband or is a single parent, then it's "Here's the paperwork and when can you start?"
@BWTCHN...I feel you. As for Killian if law enforcement/gov't used the same tactics on white males that are used on black males for instance this foolishness in NY more of these sick freak perverts would be caught w/kids' panties in their pockets. But as someone pointed out they'd leave white women to raise white children alone and society can't have that now can it? Also, Killian too many black men are wrongfully accused and convicted on some flimsy ass evidence like those young black boys whose lives were stolen for a supposed rape of the central park jogger. Please google for many more wrongly convicted black men who've served decades in jail for a crime they didn't commit. Somehow these white perverts can go decades of ruining victim after victim and are never caught unless and until the victim comes forward. Go figure.
I meant to concur with Downrange...not BWTCHN. Trust and believe if it were black men raping, kidnappingand murdering children at the rate we see white males whose photos are splashed across the news with this particularly sick crime, they'd be locked away for quite some time and no one would give a care about how their families are affected. Amazing really.
@downrange15-This has nothing to do with race. A pedophile is a pedophile. No matter what his skin color.
Funny how it NEVER has anything to do with race except when the perp is black.
So, it's a race we need to look at? Pardon me while I laugh until I cry!
Sex with children/babies is the basis for "purifying" oneself in Africa, Haiti, and other crappy countries.
In Mexico most young girls having babies at 12, 13, 14 years of age have been impregnated by their own fathers or uncles and brothers.
Pedophiles come in all shapes and colors and nationalities.
Educate yourself before sounding like a racist pig.
This is an ignorant troll.
Pedophilia knows no color boundaries, no financial boundaries, and to add srich in South East Asia parents sell their children to creeps running brothels for pedophiles.
Thinking this is a "white male" issue is just a non white person hoping to stir up hate.
last time I checked it takes nothing less than total isolation, incarceration or best case, castration to stop a chester.
don't be blaming the boy scouts people, blame the criminal.
if we could just go back to the days of justice when fathers could go deal with these kind of issues, i'm pretty sure we wouldn't have this bull crap.
Somebody asaults my child, i should have the god given right to react, like for like.
now you gotta get somebody to listen, then believe, then find a lawyer, then hope the lawyer is worth while and wants justice as you do, then you gotta fight for no pleadings, then the stalling begins, your child meanwhile is now thru college and has a family of thier own, so it becomes irrelevent, or so the other side wants the judge to believe.
If we got the legal system involved in the process of grocery shopping we'd all starve to death in line out front of the grocery stores!!
But Don't Blame The Boy Scouts!! Blame The Chester!!
But if an organization is allowing them to exist among it's ranks you can blame both no?
So it's NOT the Boy Scouts fault allowing a known sex offender to work around children? What you're saying makes no sense.
If the BSA knew this guy was a known offender they are guilty. But what was known in one state back in the 70's-80's was not known in other states. Background checks are easy today, but back then they were more difficult.
Todd, understand your point. But the BSA made a decision to maintain these records and files itself, meaning it became responsible for being able to do these checks across the nation. When it failed to even run the check using its own system (realize a very manual paper-based "system"), it became liable for the results of the failure to run it.
I actually dont blame the Boy Scouts, but I think they need to take responsibility for it. Funny how this keeps happening to holier-than-thou groups that view homosexuals as being bad influences on children. Time for some re-evaluation of reality, folks.
So you would go assault the molester's kid. "Like for like," puts you on the same level as the abuser.
It's not the BSA to blame. This happened years ago when background checks were not done. Today they are. It's just like blaming guns for killing people-it's not the gun that killed, it's person using that killed. There are girl scouts, big brother-big sister, etc. all kinds of youth programs out there. Just because there are a few bad apples doesn't make the program bad. BSA is the best program out there for boys and if you follow the rules and the training, then you should not have these problems. Today there are rules that do not allow any leaders to be alone with a scout. There are always has to be 2 or more adults there. If there is not, then it should be reported. It is about following the rules. If any molestation goes on today it is because the rules are not being followed, nor is it being reported that rules are not being followed. It is up to your council, your scoutmaster and your leaders to see to it that the rules are enforced. My son and I have been in scouting for 3 years now and we follow the rules and we have never had any problems of any such thing and couldn't be happier and in a better program than what BSA has to offer these boys.
@Kanic
Amen! It all about following the rules. Do so and much good comes about everytime.
BWTCHN so you are going to beat up your brother, father, best friend or yourself? Most of the time it is a family member who assaults a child. The next most common assaulter is a trusted family friend. A babysitter, coach, preacher, next door neighbor or other trusted person. Very seldom is it a stranger who sexually assaults a child.
BWTCHN - BSA is responsible for protecting the minors that join their org, period. Doing the due diligence to perform background checks on any person that comes in contact with minors should be required by law. Not sure why it isn't,. Could have something to do with politicians running for Congress with records like Mel Reynolds - a convicted child molester. Shame it is in the same area - Chicago.
An org. as big as BSA thorough background checks should be a given.
The incidents in this story are not as old as the John Wayne Gacy stories of the 70's. Did we not learn anything from that tragedy. Makes me wonder, because of proximity, if the two pedophiles knew each other.
Sue the pants off that homophobic, pedophile-protecting, atheist-hating organization. Karma is a b---h!
"Thomas Hacker, a Scout leader barred from the group after a 1970s felony sex abuse conviction in Indiana, to rejoin as a volunteer in Illinois in the 1980s, and he went on to molest more boys, including the plaintiff."
Question..... They do NOT and will NOT allow GAYS but..... Let let this man back into the scouts in the 80s and he went on to molest more boys?!?!?!?!? Now.... is it me? Or is this soooooooooo wrong on SO many levels. But God Forbid let Gays in. Stupid A**ES!!!!!
I'm wondering if Thomas Hacker had also remarried, and was able to pass himself off as a nice family man when he reapplied.
Elk-he probably did. He was probably let back in through another council in another parish or state. They are all run different. We don't know down here what scouts are doing somewhere else. Now that they have criminal background checks in place, no one should be be able to ge through to be involved in scouting. Back in the 70s and 80s, they didn't have any such requirements.
@BROOKE IN FT LAUDERDALE,
No one in their right mind will purposely allow a known molester to come into their organization to violate it's members.
Your post is irresponsible. Do you know all the facts? Someone at BSA probably fell asleep at the switch and one part of the org. did not known what the other part knew about Hacker, therefore he slipped back in just like all perverts do.
Bottom line is you people just don't like BSA due to it's position on banning gays in the ranks.
BSA is already guilty in your slanted assessment.
DON'T MISS THE TRUTH!
This is one of the most idiotic posts I've read.
We PAY our governments (State, Federal) to protect us from this sort of evil...
The State of Indiana failed to notify the State of Illinois that a known, convicted, felony sexual predator had entered their state...
The State of Illinois failed to do a background check, allowing a known, convicted, felony sexual predator to work in their school system in proximity to children.
The Federal Bureau of Investigation for failing to track the activity of a known, convicted, felony sexual predator..
And YOU want to blame the BSA...
A volunteer, charity funded organization without the resources or funding of either the States of Illinois, Indiana or the Federal Government..government organizations that WE PAY to protect us from these scumbags....
Your argument is pathetic.
The main reason the Boy Scouts do not allow gays or lesbians in the organization is to build a wall of protection around the boys they lead. Pedophiles can come from both straight and gay/lesbian people and also from single and married leaders. They felt it was better to err on the side of not letting gays/lesbians into leadership positions rather than take a chance that one of them may also be a pedophile. On not allowing gay boys into the Boy Scouts, they felt they had to protect their boys from possible sexual assaults while on hikes and camping trips. Not all gay boys or straight boys are angels.
Don't miss the truth
"You people" WTF?
Priests and scoutmasters discriminating against gays while protecting the pedophiles among them to save the honor of the institution. No coincidence, it's the result of the same twisted and perverted thinking that glorifies celibacy and male authority figures to the point of allowing them to molest children. These pedophiles meanwhile cannot accept their own twisted mind, so they try to blame "teh gay" and rally against immorality to placate their own sense of guilt.
It's kinda like in Muslim countries, when your daughter or sister gets raped, you kill the girl!
Another scumbag comment...
So the State of Indiana, of Illinois, and the FBI all get a pass on this one...
the guys who either knew that there was a known, convicted, felony sexual predator moving around and working with children, or could have found out...who have the responsibility to do just that (especially Illinois, who failed to do a background check and allowed this scumbag to work in their government run school)....
and the Laws of the States that allowed this guy to move around without tracking his activities...
and you want to blame a volunteer, charity funded youth organization....
You're just another leftist scumbag.
Revenge is fine, but with the perv in jail, ah, the sweet smell of money.
Why shouldnt they be compensated?
Why should the Boy Scouts of today pay for something that happened 20+ years ago? This is a money grab.
Phil - You're right. Some sleazy lawyer is working hard for those big bucks.
So in your world their are no decent human beings that happen to be lawyers? Nice black and white world you're living in there letusreason
I have a feeling the BSA is gonna need deep pockets.........
Phil - You're right again. I'll bet there are one or two out there.
Gloria Allred excluded.
Thank you Phil. There are many nice lawyers out there who went to law school to help underdogs, human and animal. Sure, these is good and bad in every field but you can't paint lawyers with a broad brush. Plus, lawyers can be disbarred for doing, or not doing, certain things that perhaps people on the outside wouldn't understand.
Even the worst lawyers have accomplished a lot in areas such as public safety. Does anyone think Ford would have fixed the problem with the Pintos if lawyers didn't sue them? Ford's own memos state they KNEW this was a problem but felt the cost of the parts to fix it cost more than the cost of lawsuits. Thus, it became more expensive to defend than to put a couple of dollars into each Pinto and the gov got involved, a little late but at least the Found On the Road Dead cars were removed.
This lawyer suing now uncovered their dirty little secrets and this helps soooo many people. We need lawyers watching over Big Pharma, companies dumping chemicals, etc. because they are powerful and get away with murder. The gov can't keep up with them either.
Todd-651965 wrote: Why should the Boy Scouts of today pay for something that happened 20+ years ago? This is a money grab.
Because they KNEW this guy was trouble and failed to follow-up or prevent him from rejoining the BS and continuing his molestations. Even after creating and maintaining all those super-duper files.You don't need the internet to find things out. Twenty years ago they had these things called phones where they could talk to each other long distance, and they wrote actual letters to pass information.
It's not a money grab if you are compensated for a wrong that could have and should have - by LAW - prevented. But maybe you think that if you get away with it then you don't have to make any compensation?
Really????
Why should the BSA be responsible for the acts of a known, convicted, felony sexual predator which we pay the GOVERNMENT to protect us from...
It wasn't the BSA's responsibility to keep this scumbag away from our kids...it was the State of Indiana, the State of Illinois, the Federal Bureau of Investigation (for failing to track a known, convicted, felony sexual predator) and the state and federal laws persuant thereof...that allowed this evil bastard to satisfy his disgusting sexual appetite...
The BSA...being a private organization, may have been and may still be forbidden access to Government run databases on such activities...in fact, if said pedofile had gotten clearance to work in the Illinois school system based on the psychiatric evaluation of a state paid doctor...
He could have sued the BSA for blacklisting him...
But we'll never know because the BSA doesn't have access to these government records and evaluations...
What these leftist scumbags don't know is that for the most part, the scout leaders are volunteers, parents, and grandparents...they aren't paid to run their scout troops..and we don't give them enough donations to afford extensive criminal background checks on every individual that may volunteer.
Don't blame the BSA...blame the government for failing to do the job that WE PAY them to do...
If you're paying attention, this is the rule of thumb:
Anyone who loudly and righteously rallies against gays, is in fact either self-hating and closeted, or committing some horrific perversion/crime for which they can only repent by bashing others.
No self-confident, healthy heterosexual male ever spends a millisecond thinking about gay sex. Only perverts, haters and self-haters can muster that much ire against something that supposedly doesn't affect them in the least.
Leviticus 18-22: "Thou shall not lie with mankind as with womankind, it is abomination."
"supposedly doesn't affect them"
Why don't you tell that to the Sandy survivors?
Walter, I think you're trying to imply that god sent a huricanne because he was displeased with gays?
Leviticus 19:19: "You are to keep My statutes. You shall not breed together two kinds of your cattle; you shall not sow your field with two kinds of seed, nor wear a garment upon you of two kinds of material mixed together."
Maybe god is upset with people wearing cotton/polyester blend shirts.
Leviticus 11:3: Whatever divides a hoof, thus making split hoofs, and chews the cud, among the
animals, that you may eat.
Maybe god is upset with all the bacon and porkchops, or maybe the egg mcmuffin.
Leviticus 19:27: You shall not round off the side-growth of your heads nor harm the edges of
your beard.
Maybe god is upset with all the clean shaven men running around, or maybe those that get tight haircuts.
Just sayin...
Walter...believing that your loving "God", sent hurricane Sandy to punish America, is beyond infantile. But let's ask some Sandy survivors since you live such a realistic existance...ask them how it feels to be punished for the acceptance of homosexuals.
How about quoting the rest of Leviticus too, Walter? Go ahead. If you're gonna live by one you have to live by all the others unless you're just using the bible to justify your ignorant bigotry and hatred. But of course you wouldn't do that so certainly Sandy COULD have also been sent by God because of the American people's acceptance of shell fish and tatooing.
Then again, maybe you go around spouting your ridiculous drivel from that little fairy tale because you know that Andreas is right and you want to deflect people from really knowing that, by your logic, your just as much to blame for Sandy as all the other homosexuals in the country.
Your statement above is ignorant beyond belief but, typical of someone incapable of thinking for himself.
gritnix
you're an extreme Biblical illiterate-
don't you understand in those days blended fabric caused rashes, pigs don't sweat, and beards identified pagans.
Read and understand:
Matthew 5: 17-18 and educate yourself.
Part of the "Sermon on the Mount"
Just sayin...
Mr. Jones: See above.
And also: Read and pay extra special close attention to:
www.end-times-prophecy.org/bible-prophecy-and-probability.html
"certain Beards"
book of Matt and Mark among others purified all food
doesn't touch the heart
tattoo's-I didn't write the Bible
take that one up with God.
Oh and don't forget to
"PRAISE GOD!!!"
I'm sorry but the Bible is three revelations in the shade!!
So Walter, if we get to pick and choose the rules to be followed based on time and cultural context, why should we follow any of the rules? And who does the picking and chosing?
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Walter, I think you're trying to imply that god sent a huricanne because he was displeased with gays?
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No, No-God is disappointed with Queermo for passing the same sex marriage legislation, don't forget Irene.
And I don't hate the homosexual at all-just trying to make them see the errors of their ways and get them to heaven.
After all - the only other alternative is rather (well-very) unpleasant.
"So Walter, if we get to pick and choose the rules to be followed based on time and cultural context, why should we follow any of the rules?"
Because they are God inspired, and if you don't well "SEE ABOVE"
And also: Read and pay extra special close attention to:
www.end-times-prophecy.org/bible-prophecy-and-probability.html
Walter_P:
Does your church sponsor a BoyScout troop? Churches, not necessarily just the cathaholics, are generally offenders. Their ranks are laden with perverts of the first ilk. Like stepping stones, once you can be convinced to believe in the first lie, the rest come more easily. There is only one message that churches and their missionaries have to promote: "Accept the unacceptable and be more like ME." ...and most of these churchy perverts are queer as an eagle scout.
PAPS-
I'll have to agree with you, I used to be a catholic, but no more.
Walter_P_Oreilly wrote: gritnix you're an extreme Biblical illiterate-don't you understand in those days blended fabric caused rashes, pigs don't sweat, and beards identified pagans.
Hello!!!!!!!! It's 2012 now. If you want to live by the rules from "those days", then live by ALL of them. And they are NOT god-inspired - they're made up nonsense from men like you.
OH-your not paying attention at all.
Again-as I pointed out before-
Read Matt 5: 17-18-it's part of the "SERMON ON THE MOUNT"
The Lord Jesus Christs'-first, longest and most important-as most believe-"DOCUMENTED PUBLIC SERMON"
now please pay more attention.
And PLEASE: READ AND UNDERSTAND THE FOLLOWING:
www.end-times-prophecy.org/bible-prophecy-and-probability.html
Mr. Oreilly, you are picking verses from the bible that suits your homophobic agenda. You are claiming that two fabrics cause rashes and God was giving advice to tailors, and you claim that since pigs sweat, we shouldn't eat athletic mammals. Why do you make it okay to go against those lines from scripture today, but you refuse to aknowledge that other scriptures are outdated as well?
JACK-your not paying attention at all.
Again-as I pointed out before-
Read Matt 5: 17-18-it's part of the "SERMON ON THE MOUNT"
The Lord Jesus Christs'-first, longest and most important-as most believe-"DOCUMENTED PUBLIC SERMON"
now please pay more attention.
And PLEASE: READ AND UNDERSTAND THE FOLLOWING:
www.end-times-prophecy.org/bible-prophecy-and-probability.html
or: Are you Deaf, Dumb, Blind, Dead or maybe a problem with Reading?
I wouldn't spare too much effort trying to make Walter think logically. He's either a troll or a complete basket case. You won't be able to convince him of anything either way, even if you rub his face in blatant truth.
You wouldn't stop to argue with the crazed bearded man holding a doomsday sign on the corner right? Exactly.
Moving on now.
Yes, you are now quoting from the New Testament. That doesn't make what I said any less relevant. Folks that quote scripture are so particular about which verses fit one's own beliefs. I would suggest John 8:1, or Matthew 7
Jack-Strange you should mention the Mt. of Olives-Matt 24 is the Olive Discourse-Read and Enjoy.
Matt 7
"7 “Do not judge, or you too will be judged. 2 For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you."
Is exactly my point-Judge me as I Judge you and we will get along just fine.
You're still casting those stones...someday someone is going to throw them back at you.
get thrown back everyday.
Walter: "trying to make them see the errors of their ways, and get them to heaven" Walter-it is NONE of YOUR business to 'make them see the errors of their ways'. Everyone has their own path, their own experience, their own beliefs, their own lifestyle. Trying to 'control' other people's behavior based on YOUR beliefs does not work. Just as you live your life the way you choose to, please allow others the same freedom........
PEACE-your not paying attention at all.
Again-as I pointed out before-
Read Matt 5: 17-18-it's part of the "SERMON ON THE MOUNT"
The Lord Jesus Christs'-first, longest and most important-as most believe-"DOCUMENTED PUBLIC SERMON"
now please pay more attention.
And PLEASE: READ AND UNDERSTAND THE FOLLOWING:
www.end-times-prophecy.org/bible-prophecy-and-probability.html
or: Are you Deaf, Dumb, Blind, Dead or maybe a problem with Reading?
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And as for your comment:
"Everyone has their own path, their own experience, their own beliefs, their own lifestyle."
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then I trust you will take care to allow me to follow my path, with my beliefs and lifestyle as the good Lord commands in 2 Timothy 4:2:
"Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all long-suffering and doctrine."
PRAISE GOD!!!
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Walter: Matthew 5:37?????
Peace:
Simply let your 'Yes' be 'Yes,' and your 'No,' 'No'; anything beyond this comes from the evil one.
I'm not making oaths, I'm only quoting God's word.
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I trust you will take care to allow me to follow my path, with my beliefs and lifestyle as the good Lord commands in 2 Timothy 4:2:
"Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all long-suffering and doctrine."
PRAISE GOD!!!
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He is not a pedophile. he is a gay male homosexual - the natural predator for male children. Remember homosexuals have employment rights to be treated equally and have a right to be around young male children - with the usual expected consequences. The gay male community prefers the term pediophile to cver the direct link back to them.
So what do you call the female teachers who screw their young male students? How come we rarely hear about lesbians targeting young girls? I'm not fan of homosexuality, but I think you are a bit off base with your assumption.
So the men who molest young girls are male heterosexuals? And are natural predators for female children?
A gay male homosexual will be attracted to ADULT males.
$10 says the guy from the article has a wife.
Atelier, you couldn't present yourself as more ignorant if you tried! Not all male pedophiles are attracted to male children. And then you have the female pedophiles. Since most pedophiles identify as heterosexual (complete with opposite sex spouse and children), any direct link is between heterosexuals and pedophiles.
No atelier - he is a pedophile. Gay men do NOT molest young male children. It is abhorrent to do so. And don't give me the NAMBLA argument - they're not gay, they're pedophiles.
Folks, I think we've been trolled...
He's gay. Anyone who says anything otherwise is lacking in basic logic. I fail to see what the age of the victim has to do with sexual orientation. We would consider a man with a 70 year old wife and 20 year old girlfriend to be straight, so what changes when we lower the age further by a few years? You'll notice that most pedophiles abuse either boys or girls, but very rarely does one person abuse both sexes. As long as the ACLU keeps pushing for more of these salami smokers to be given 'fair treatment', this behavior will continue.
When boys get molested by men, they get reported. When girls get molested by women, they party (and so it rarely makes the news).
The lesbian-gay-homosexual-transgender-and-morphodyte movement is really getting excited over this one.
There aren't enough discrete pigeonholes to sort out the various TYPES of pervert.
An adult that has sex with a child of the same sex is a homosexual pedaphile. An adult that has sex with a child of the opposite sex is a pedaphile. Why can't you homosexual defenders understand that?
Age does have a great deal to do with sexual perception. children and teens who are mostly lacking in matured body hair are perceived as innocent, pure, and genderless by pedophiles. The important thing is virginity and innocence. Gender has nothing to do with it. 98% of male pedophiles who have sex with boys age 15 or less identify as straight and cannot be sexually aroused by viewing gay porn / suggestive images of fit adult men. There is a massive line between pedophiles who pick their poison and monogamous gay men who wouldn't even consider going after kids/teens. Any text on psychology will tell you this.
I can imagine how difficult it would be to keep track of potential molesters without using a web based system. They didn't have the Internet back in the 70's, and moving from state to state or another region could pretty much offer you a clean start. On the other hand, if the Scouts knew this dude was a danger to children and still allowed him to re-join, they are GUILTY!
Come on, Ranger...
You know that it is the GOVERNMENT's responsibility to track the activities of known, convicted, felony sexual predators.
This is a failure of the government, of the State of Indiana, of the State of Illinois, and of the FBI for NOT tracking this scumbag...
The BSA is a volunteer, charity funded organization. Put it this way...if it was the responsibility of your ranger company to perform the criminal background check required for you to receive your security clearance, do you think they would have had the manpower or ability to do it? You're comment places the onus on a local, small, boyscout troop to have access to databases that are LITERALLY out of their reach.
I'm no supporter of the Boy Scouts organization, but this looks like a pure money grab. According to this article, the BSA did have an effective procedure in place, but the local chapter did not follow it.
They did not follow the procedure so they are guilty. Not too hard to understand is it? Thats like saying the doctor had an opportational procedure he needed to follow but didnt and the patient was harmed. And now the patient is sueing - but it's a money grab.
Pay the frig attention, Phil. He is suing the Boy Scouts of America, not the local chapter.
Most 'victims' always go for the deep pockets.
Rick,
The Boy Scouts organization made a purposeful decision to deal with these instances themselves. Part and parcel to that decision was a policy to withhold any information from the public or the proper authorities and compile it in their central filing system. The fact that their system was cumbersome and/or not effective is irrelevant after they decided to create a system that actively hid these known activities from the proper authorities.
There deliberate decision and attendant actions are what they are being held responsible for. Had they decided to protect the children in their care (rather than their reputation) and reported these people to the police they would, in all likelihood, have a defensible position.
Hey...this guy was allowed to work in Illinois' school system...
and who is going to look hard into the background of a person who is allowed to work around children in a GOVERNMENT RUN SCHOOL???
Yeah...let's just forget that it was the State of Illinois who first gave this scumbag access to their children...and it is on the State of Illinois, the State of Indiana, and the FBI (for its failure to track a known, convicted, felony sexual predator)...that the onus of responsibility lies...
Not on some local, parent run, volunteer organization.
They are probably too worried about the possibility of lesbians and gay adults that they forget about the heterosexual pedophiles. I think they have their priorities backwards.
Precisely!
It used to be so simple; males went after females, and females went after males. But these days, all things, including underage sex (whether consentual or not) the genders involved can be any combination.
Don't forget homosexual pedophiles
George95662 wrote: It used to be so simple; males went after females, and females went after males. But these days, all things, including underage sex (whether consentual or not) the genders involved can be any combination.
Honey, it was NEVER that simple. All this went on before, it was just covered up (you know - like the Boy Scouts did!). The fact that YOU didn't see it doesn't mean it wasn't there.
Age does have a great deal to do with sexual perception. children and teens who are mostly lacking in matured body hair are perceived as innocent, pure, and genderless by pedophiles. The important thing is virginity and innocence. Gender has nothing to do with it. 98% of male pedophiles who have sex with boys age 15 or less identify as straight and cannot be sexually aroused by viewing gay porn / suggestive images of fit adult men. There is a massive line between pedophiles who pick their poison and monogamous gay men who wouldn't even consider going after kids/teens. Any text on psychology will tell you this.
Can you cite any of the texts on psychology for your reasoning? Looks like a homosexual predator, who acted on a youngster, so now he is termed a pedophile.
Maybe there is a new grinder app for these folks? In today's day and age, it wouldn't surprise me one bit, even as disgusting as it seems.
Somebody asaults my child, i should have the god given right to react, like for like.
Does this mean that you should be able to molest the molester?
What you describe is vigilantism. It is illegal. What if your child accidentally pointed out the wrong guy?
In other words, we have laws and courts for a reason. I would not like to live in a society where people are judged and executed on the spot.
That being said, if someone was molesting your child and you walked in on the incident, and this caused such rage (as it would with me) that you killed that person after catching him in the act, it would be pretty good odds that you would not serve much time if any at all.
My point is that the courts and lawyers, although they are a pain usually, are there to make as sure as possible that the accused is really guilty. It's not a perfect system; none ever can be.
Summary execution is never the good choice.
I agree with you BigJeff.
Regarding one of the points you were responding to:
Someone sure wasn't thinking, or using spell check. To react, like for like, would have the molester's kid assaulted. Which puts both parents on the same level, as I posted above. As for walking in on the act and killing the assailant-- nope, not a jury around here would convict the killer.
"As for walking in on the act and killing the assailant-- nope, not a jury around here would convict the killer."
Or the third party that stood by and let it happen, like that red haired pussy Mike McQueary at Penn State or the local chapter member of the BSA who doesn't follow proper protocol? We talk about the execution of the pervs who carry out these heinous crimes, but what about the twisted, incompetent, and delustion individuals who permit these crimes to be perpetuated?
Absolutely sick.
The Boy Scouts are much like the Catholic church as they hate gays but protect pedophiles.
Well- it would be hard to disagree....But i will. Protect pedophiles,check.Hate gays,no. I am bitter,bitter about the former.Wistful about the latter
Parents don't let your children become Boy Scouts or Altar boys,they will then be prey for pedophiles.
That's why the Republicans are against abortion - they need more kids to molest ha-ha!
Pedophiles should be hung on gallows at the village square. Automatic death penalty to all pedophiles,including priests.
I had a great career in the Boy Scouts. I got a merit badge for Butt-Wrestling. I went on to become a rear admiral in the Navy.
I would gladly execute a lowlife pedophile.
Most pedophiles are Conservatives and vote Republican. Fact!!!!!!!!
You'll have to show some some evidence for that claim before you call it a fact libtard. Besides, your party is the "anything goes" crowd.
Eric, liberals are not the "anything goes" crowd. We suggested bringing back the death penalty for christ's sake.
"Eric, liberals are not the "anything goes" crowd. We suggested bringing back the death penalty for christ's sake."
Was that only for white pedophiles in Illinois and Indiana?
Republicans are also against abortion because it reduces the number of future soldiers that will die in wars that the GOP starts.
Actually we are against abortion because it kills future workers we will need to help pay for the social security and welfare of deadbeat democrats like you......loser.
We'd be able to pay for it if we switched over to a consumption tax and dropped the income tax altogether while also socializing healthcare for real in a single-payer public option system. It would cut medicare costs in half while maintaining quality and increasing availability.
God Eric what you said doesn't make any sense. The child put in a home is paid for by the taxpayer. Oh yes, the state pays, I the Taxpayer pays for room and board and healthcare.
If the mother was Bi-polar on crack now we have a possible Bi-polar crack baby that the taxpayer pays. Get a Clue. You want to stop abortion. Do it with education, day after pill and better healthcare that includes mental health.
As for the sex abuser hang him.
Tony we get it,you were traumatized somehow
Years ago I had a friend who like me was a Boy Scout and a Scoutmaster tried to molest him,though he fought him off. Then my friend turned the pervert in and my friend was kicked out of the Scouts,because they took the word of the pervert Scout Master over my friend. Soon afterwards I quit the Scouts because of this. And a few years later the same Scout Master was arrested for molesting children.True story.
I have no reason to doubt it,sorry.
I doubt it...Tony makes up "facts" to suit his liberal agenda.
You need help. That was sooo off at so many levels. I know if that happen to my son, the scout master would be missing one of his organs. Keep predators away from our kids. Thank God I'm an over protective mother. I didn't have my sons join the scouts. I never trusted that sleep over and camping thing. I also had them learn martial arts and lift weight. I wanted them to be able to really hurt someone if attacked.
Both the Boy Scouts and the Catholic church protect pedophiles and think God is on their side. How ironic to think God would be for pedophilia.
You think the Scouts and the Catholic church are the only ones protecting pedophiles? You have a lot to learn. This happens everywhere and everyone is guilty of it. What about the mothers who continue to live with the men who molest and rape their own children? So, does that mean all motherhood is awful? Why not put the blame where it belongs - on the perverts. Don't believe this isn't happening in the Jewish temples, Presbyterian churches, and Islamic mosques - it is.
It's a Republican thing.
FloridaMaggie, I agree completely with your post.
I would like to elaborate one one sentence:
It used to be that if they turned them in, the children would be removed from the family, and put into foster care, where the foster family would often continue the abuse; after all, how many times can a kid keep claiming to be molested?
Now days the man would be taken, and the family loses the bread winner, and has to go on welfare and food stamps, two of the worst things (according to many pundits, discussion boards and Facebook memes) that anyone can ever do in this country.
However, if the man is a layabout and is reported, then the mom goes and finds another one to move in with her, because having a man around is more important than anything or anyone else in her life.
What's ironic and even moronic Tony is you thinking obama is for jobs and freedom.
ELK MEADOW: "Now days the man would be taken, and the family loses the bread winner, and has to go on welfare and food stamps, two of the worst things (according to many pundits, discussion boards and Facebook memes) that anyone can ever do in this country.
However, if the man is a layabout and is reported, then the mom goes and finds another one to move in with her, because having a man around is more important than anything or anyone else in her life."
1. I have read that same idiotic mentality throughout this comments page. Though I do not believe that going on welfare is in the best interest of the overall nation, and therefore, if at all possible should be avoided. However, it is sometimes necessary for the individual mother and her children to do so. Nonetheless, what concerns me in your statement is that you are allowing Facebook and discussion boards to be your guiding light in life. Don't you have anything more valuable to do with you time and knowledge than to allow social media to dictate your virtues in life? Do you really think that permitting your children to be molested by ANY man is better than you and your child going on welfare and food stamps because that is what you are defending in your statement using social media as your resource guide?
2. Your last comment really says a lot about you and the lack of character you possess. The fact that you can honestly get on this comment page and declare to the entire world that "having a man around is more important than anything or anyone" is insulting to womanhood and declares just how invaluable you feel your children are that you would put them in harms way just to be with a man. You are simply pathetic.
Sadly also some teachers are predators. Keep your kids close.
JMICAH,
Your opinion. I have a half of a century of observation, and I know where the people were and are. I've also sat in rooms and heard people blame the children, blame the mothers for these crimes committed against them. And I've been a cashier and heard the ugly comments of people judging others who on the food programs, and I've sat in lunch rooms and heard people say that everyone is a cheat.
Why am I here? Personal therapy. Still dealing with my past.
Why are you so angry?
If you pulled the records of every school in the country and combined them, how many pedophiles do you think would be on the list! This is a huge organization that has and does do everything in its power to protect youth. They were trying to track and stop this behavior way before most other groups, schools or churches were even addressing the issue. We should give Boy Scouts a break and go forward with protecting our youth.
naive fool
Right, direc. Unless senior BSA staff knew about and ignored a case of a pervert scout master, they should not be held accountable.
The BSA is an extremely positive organization; one of the few remaining organizations banning perverts by their stated, explicit policy. Let's hope they don't capitulate.
Wow!!! try reading the article more closely and yes you are naive.