Don' worry; it will only take one blizzard and the usual crowd will be out shouting, "Where's the global warming?".

Freedom4Everyone

Nope, no Global Warming here. Move along.. (Sarc)

Anyone still claiming there isn't a problem, is obviously in denial

I believe there is global warming. I don't believe it is a problem. Would I be in semi-denial?

Climate change is a fact. It has been happening in cycles since the formation of the planet. The only reason it is a "problem" is that modern humanity, with all its high cost, high maintenance, permanent structures, has to adapt.

Definitley not global warming.....H.A.A.R.P.

I thought Obama was going to fix this in his first term...

Still have an eggplant and hot peppers. Also bearded iris in full bloom. Not to mention onion, garlic and califlower, which are far more cold resistant in "normal" winters in any event. Works for me.

I would take cold over hot any day.

Then don't expect that area to look the same.

That will be a change of scenery for you. Sounds like a fun drive to me, I could stop and see a bunch of friends/family along the way. Be sure to wave if you come through Boise.

And you will be very welcome here, KY Engineer! Seattle + Eastside and all of the Pacific Northwest is a place like no other - and I would know, having lived and worked in 4 countries and all over the US, Coast to Coast!

We also came to Seattle by car, driving from Chicago all across the country - seeing sites, taking it easy - it took us 6 days, but we wanted to make the few stops along the road. And I remember how excited we were - that was 1999 - "going West, young man, going West..."

People are way too friendly here, at first it may turn you off - but then you cannot imagine having it any other way. The natural beauty will be everywhere you look, and you will never get tired of it: trust me, 13 yrs later, I still marvel at the mountains, and the ocean, and the pine trees and the meadows.

We are very, very liberal here - like California and Oregon, but maybe a bit less wierd, or, rather wierd in a not-so-obnoxious way :) We legalized recreational marijuana, gay marriage and euthenasia - none of the things that personally concern the vastest majority of us, but we "live and let live". Our public schools are the best in the nation, our drivers are the most polite and the kindest in the nation - you'll get used to it too (but at first you will probably pull all your hair out in angst :)), and then you will become one of them, too :)

We pride ourselves on fresh, quality and local food - produce, seafood, meats, eggs, diary. We are very much into sustainability and "Green Earth" hippie kinda stuff, but not obtrusively - you will see, you will not want it any other way!

And best of all, we have jobs, jobs, jobs! and our housing market never tanked like in the rest of the country, and new construction never stopped, just slowed - but now it is at high steam again! And our delicious melting pot is maybe second only to NYC - but of different quality, of course: more educated and more energetic and more Asian than Puerto-Rican - but nonetheless, it's a bubbling, boiling, busy melting pot of all of us working together, living together and loving this place we all call home now.

Oh, and we are the soccer capital of the North AMerica! Our soccer stadium where the Sounders play is always sold out (60,000 ppl), and the Sounders get almost twice as many ppl as the Mariners (baseball)

I am certain: nobody has or can ever utter "I do not like Seattle" - and I dare you too :)

Welcome, and all the best in your new life!

ANV

I'm a conservative, but if you can't find lots to love about Seattle, like the food, the coffee, Puget Sound, American Lake, and seeing Mt. Ranier every one of the sixty-or-so clear days a year, then shame on you!

And your authority on this txman. You one of them climate scientist fellers. What you say will never come to pass.

kind of like people who read message boards just so they can feel smug and self-righteous

That's all they can do michael, get on message boards and smugly be self-righteous. As compared to going out and doing something about the "problem."

I'm not a "denier". But there was very little human activity associated with the Medeval Warm Period, where the temperatures were apparently higher than we've seen yet, so it's not necessarily all, or even primarily, us. That is no excuse for wantonly despoling the environment, though.

Are you daft botany lady...nothing can be done about it...there are no practical or affordable solutions.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2007/jun/19/china.usnews

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/china/8793269/China-population-to-become-worlds-biggest-polluters.htm

http://www.timesnews.net/article/9054658/china-the-worlds-biggest-carbon-dioxide-polluter-us-reduces-emissionsl

http://www.thenewecologist.com/2009/10/the-worlds-biggest-polluters/

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/07/02/us-co2-emissions-may-drop-to-1990-levels-this-year/

So you are one of the very sad ones that have believed the anti-climate change propaganda put out by Koch Brothers and friends, multi-billionaires who want to drill baby drill forever without any regulation of air or water quality whatsoever. These oilmen have spent $61.48 million that the Koch Brothers have given to climate-denial front groups. See 'Koch Brothers exposed' (on Youtube) or keep hiding your head in the sand.

Uncle Henry, do you care about your children and their grandchildren and the many generations to come? How will they see you many years from now if we do nothing because we believed the propaganda that made a few very rich, but destroyed our planet? Which side do you want to be on? What do you want your personal legacy to be?

botany lady

See 'Koch Brothers exposed' (on Youtube) or keep hiding your head in the sand.

"Everything you read on the internet is true." ---Abraham Lincoln

hey botany lady there is a tree over there that needs hugging. please get off the internet.

Please stop accusing anyone else of being in denial and then referring us to weirdo conspiracy theorists.

the problem with the weather manipulation system is that it is so manipulable

Tell it....botany lady...good to hear another well read truther!

you both are mentally ill. sadly you dont realize it but please seek help. there is a light at the end of the tunnel and its called haloperidol.

Dear Botany Lady

You may as well just ignore them. They are unteachable. Just leave them be, we all do that - we just ignore them.

I live in Seattle, which has so far been spared of the radical weather events that happen elsewhere in the country or the World. Not for long though, they tell us: we seem to be in this "quite zone" for now because we are close to the Northern Pacific, which, being a vast body of water, does not warm as fast as the air over the landmass, thus seem to regulate the crazy weather a little better (or so they say on NOAA). But eventually it too, will warm up, and then we will join the rest of the country and the World roasting on a pan. I just hope our extremes will not be as crazy as the they are further inland.

Did it occur to anyone that the hurricane Sandy's path with its "weird left hook" look like a path of a tornado, and not of a hurricane? The weather people were all incredulous as to why a hurricane would move like that.

But I think this is just the beginning, i.e this is what we will be seeing from now on: tornadoes not just being tornadoes, but Super Tornadoes (look up the tornado system that razed Joplin, and see it in an interactive map); hurricanes not just being hurricanes, but hurricanes that act like tornadoes - I bet in the next 5 years they will call them "hurr-nadoes" or "tor-ricaines", LOL. Uncle Henry, you wanna bet a buck with me on this? And if I win, can we also agree that you are the stupid one? Otherwise, I won't bet.

But yes, global warming and climate change are here now, and here to stay.

Now, I have to go water my flowers in the flower baskets on the outside porch, if you don't mind. What the heck am I talking about, you ask? Well, I am a gardener, too, and I have these flower baskets with pansies and petunias and sweet peas and calendulas and geraniums and other lovely flowers since I planted them in April, and they are still alive, and blooming, and green - although not as prolific as they were in the summer, but are very much alive and happy. These are all annuals, by the way, and we are in December now. Even in Seattle this is not supposed to be this warm, meaning even in Seattle they are not supposed to be alive at this time, live alone blooming and happy!

And then, I also have this tropical Angel Trumpet that only grows in Zone 10 and higher - still alive! I am going to smell the beautiful flower, and I think I may winterize it just in case - even five years ago this would've been unthinkable, that you can winterize a Angel Trumpet in Seattle and it will survive - oh, I bet it will.

And if it does, and I win that bet, too, can we also agree that you are the stupid one, Uncle Henry?

See, it's a lot more fun when you make it into a game :)

Now, gotta water my flowers. Would be a shame if the died of drought in December in Seattle, LOL.

Peace ANV

Did it ever occur to YOU that there was a storm with a very similar path in 1962 and the "Great Long Island Hurricane" of the 1930s? They were less-noticed mostly because back then there was no Interent, no 24-hour news cycle, no hundreds of thousands of people living directly adjacent to the shore (largely because that they could buy federally-subsidized flood insurance, but also because there were far fewer people and the ones that there were largely were not nearly as afflulent), and this had more to do with the greater devestation this time than the rise in sea levels (which, Uncle Henry not withstanding, actually HAVE occurred since then).

Rlquall - I did not know of that, but I believe you. Surely, everything we are seeing now has occurred some time in the past - except for the Internet, maybe :)

that was not my point though.

My point is, that the weird weather patterns we are seeing now are here to stay, and get weirder. If you take any single one day or event or temperature in isolation, you will absolutely find that it happened before, and maybe, many times before. But if you take the the entire sequence/record of weather events/patterns over just the last 5 years, I dare you to find another time-slot in the human history of recent, such as to show "yes, it happened just like this before, and yes it was weird, but then it turned back to normal". You won't find it.

To be clear - you will "sort-of" find weather patterns like the last 5 years in the Earth's history, but only "like it", as in "similar", but nothing like it "exactly", I am sure. Super-volcanoes caused green-house climate warming before, but those were relatively mild and relatively short-lived, and so did the Asteroid that wiped off the dinosaurs - but again, that was short-lived, and not caused by the Earth itself.

The greenhouse thing we are having now is quite different from any of those from before - instead of a single even like a super-volcano eruption or an asteroid, it's like we are melting the Earth itself - by burning all her fossil fuel. Now, that is NOT short lived, and it is constant, sustainable, and been going on for about a century now. Turning it down right now would be the right thing to do, but folks like yourself scare them old silly politicians with the loud voices and the politicians are afraid to do anything of substance, so we continue slowly boiling the pot we all are living in.

How's that for "food for thought"?

Peace, ANV

Unpredictable and erratic weather is not a sign of climate change, just part of the unproven theory of climate change.

And 5 years of events is way too short a period to show a trend.

AGW is real. It's hasn't been up for debate for 40 years. Just deniers continue to deny.

Saying that it is part of a natural cycle is saying that it is occurring. I believe that it is. But even many scientists who presumably should be objective and know better are acting like the current temperatures are unprecedented in geologic history. In fact, it was likely warmer than this before the relatively recent "Ice Age", and apparently was warmer than this in between the second and third of the four most recent major glacial advances, at least. And again, let me reiterate, in no way does any of this mean that we should somehow totally ignore the environment. The last thing that we need to do is recreate Eastern Europe or the industrialized portions of China over more of the planet.

just to young as a species and to iggnorant to understand this

tell this to your government that has erected a system to control the skies. Their system is haywire, that's why north american weather is so abnormal

Some years it takes awhile for the Jet Stream to gradually move south. It's still being influenced by a neutral ENSO. Lots of time left for some real winter weather to occur.

I agree Red and Rex, It is December 7th. Winter doesn't officially begin until December 21st. I know we upper tier states and mountain states generally start winter before Thanksgiving and some years before November,but climate change is a natural, cyclical, development. All the GW theory supporters believe they have the answers and they are so arrogant to think that man could control it if we followed their solutions. I do what I can because I'm conservative and believe in the economics of conservatism. Let the GWs spend their own money trying to control the weather.