So where will all that 'legal' pot come from? Sale of pot stymied

Washington State's new law makes it legal for adults to possess up to an ounce of marijuana, but some speculate the federal government will prosecute those who use marijuana on federal land because federal law prohibits marijuana use. NBC's Kristen Dahlgren reports.

Washington and Colorado say you can legally smoke marijuana for fun now, but here's the catch: You can't legally buy it.

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Voters in those states passed initiatives last month to legalize recreational use of marijuana. As of last Thursday, it's legal under Washington law for anyone 21 and over to possess up to 1 ounce of marijuana, 16 ounces of "solid marijuana-infused product" (in other words, a pound of pot brownies) or 72 ounces of "marijuana-infused liquid."

In Colorado, Gov. John Hickenlooper signed Amendment 64 to the state Constitution on Monday, legalizing not only recreational use but also home growing, unlike in Washington.

Entrepreneurs are already planning stores to get more buck for the bhang.

PhotoBlog: Pot smokers gather under Seattle's Space Needle to celebrate

"Part of the mission of our company is to transform marijuana from a back-alley drug being sold by criminals into a premium product being enjoyed by responsible adults," said Jamen Shively, chief executive of Diego Pellicer Inc., a new company that hopes to open a chain of stores in Washington and Colorado as soon as the legal issues are cleared up.


The company is named for Shively's great-grandfather, who grew hemp in the Philippines. It eventually became the biggest hemp supplier in the world around the turn of the 20th century. ("It's a family business," said Alan Valdes, a veteran securities trader who recently joined the company as chairman.)

"We're creating the category of premium marijuana," said Shively, who worked as a corporate strategy manager for Microsoft Corp. from 2003 to 2009 before leaving for a specialty food startup. "If you are producing or intending to produce premium-grade product that's in line with our ethos, we're interested in talking to you."

Americans to feds: Keep your hands off our pot

But Diego Pellicer and its customers may be in for a long wait.

The federal government still insists that marijuana is a Schedule I controlled substance and that buying and selling it for any purpose remains a federal crime. Federal authorities officially even frown on the pot that patients get at medical marijuana dispensaries, although their policy is to look the other way in those cases.


For recreational users, well, "you're a felon," said Mark A.R. Kleiman, editor of the Journal of Drug Policy Analysis. "Period. End of paragraph."

And so is your retailer.

"Regardless of any changes in state law ... growing, selling or possessing any amount of marijuana remains illegal under federal law," said Jenny Durkan, the U.S. attorney in Seattle. She said the Justice Department is reviewing its options in Washington and Colorado.

Buzzkill: Feds fire warning shot over pot legalization

Shively said that under no circumstances would his company violate federal law.

"Let's suppose tomorrow that Washington state issued licenses and said, 'Go ahead, guys, have at it.' We would say to the state of Washington respectfully, 'Thanks, but no thanks, because we haven't heard from the federal government.'"

Until then, Diego Pellicer is rounding up funding and private shareholders to be ready if and when the Justice Department changes course.

"I think it's going to be hard for the Obama administration to slap this down," Valdes said. "Washington is a liberal Democratic state that helped (President Barack Obama) get elected. The people voted for him — it would be a slap in the face."

Like Amsterdam: Washington bar owner lets patrons get stoned

Dan Satterberg, the prosecuting attorney in King County, Wash., which is home to a thriving marijuana scene in and around Seattle, thinks the Justice Department will try anyway.

The Washington and Colorado laws require state agencies to facilitate something the federal government considers an illegal act — the sale and distribution of marijuana. That raises an important states' rights question that only the courts can sort out, he said.

Satterberg told NBC station KING of Seattle that he expects the states and the Justice Department to wind up before the U.S. Supreme Court within the next couple of years to argue the issue.

KING: Clearing up the new marijuana law: What's legal?

Overlooked in the immediate reaction to passage of the initiatives, both pro and con, is an important public health question, said Kleiman, who is a professor of public policy at the University of California-Los Angeles and co-author of "Drugs and Drug Policy: What Everyone Needs to Know."

It's not the question you might expect — how much does legalization increase marijuana use? — but "how much does legalization increase abuse?" he told NBC News.

Assuming marijuana use follows the pattern of alcohol use, most of the marijuana consumed in the U.S. is used by the 20 percent minority of people who abuse it, he said. Most pot users use it now for light recreational purposes, but if it's legal, how big will that 20 percent grow?

"Nobody knows," he said.

Questions like that are why it might, in fact, be wise for the federal government to step back and let Washington and Colorado serve as laboratories, so policy makers can "find out what happens."

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If it does, Shively and Valdes will be ready.

"We are building our entire business on the premise it will be sufficiently legal in the next few months or a year," Shively said — a business that will include merchandising beyond simple sales of premium pot.

"Be looking out for really beautiful vaporizing products," he said. "That will be really hot."

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Does the fed even realize that if they legalized Pot that they would make more money off the taxing of pot and they would be able to reduce and maybe even eliminate our national debt? Pot is a naturally grown substance that has been used for centurys, so I don't understand why they would not make this legal. I can understand coke and heroin or any other substance that is chemically processed but pot is grown naturally. So I don't see the problem here and I'm not a pot smoker but if its natural and you want to smoke it why not?

    Reply#187 - Tue Dec 11, 2012 12:20 PM EST

    My primary concern here is how much power the government has to make decisions for us. I would never use on the job, or while driving. Those prescription & over-the-counter meds with the warnings on them? I won't use those on the job or while driving. If you make a bad decision, whether the substance is legal or not, you should run the risk of losing your license, drivers or professional.

    Why would we want the government to tell us whether or not we can use alcohol, tobacco, marijuana, cold medecines, or aspirin? It's our business, not theirs.

    Yeah, I know, when can a government ever have too much power.

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    Reply#188 - Tue Dec 11, 2012 12:21 PM EST

    Governments almost ALWAYS have to much power!

      #188.1 - Tue Dec 11, 2012 1:19 PM EST
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      SO what are we really talking about. Big Pharma, The Prison Lobby - prisons are our nations second biggest business after auto- and the drug cartels are Screaming for their bought and paid for government to suppress the will of the people, so pharma doesnot loose their antidepressant money, The prison corporations have full, profitable prisons--remember potheads are inexpensive to keep as prisoners, whereas actual, violent criminals are not, and the drug cartels keep raking in the dough.

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      Reply#189 - Tue Dec 11, 2012 12:21 PM EST

      Yep!

        #189.1 - Tue Dec 11, 2012 1:17 PM EST
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        MEXICO! This is going to be a huge mess!

          Reply#190 - Tue Dec 11, 2012 12:21 PM EST

          Mexico will have to find a new source of funding.

            #190.1 - Tue Dec 11, 2012 12:24 PM EST
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            I miss the old time mellow reefer. Where you could enjoy the flavor and aroma of a good sized joint without getting totally @!$%#faced. Just a mild high. Not all eight miles at once.

              Reply#191 - Tue Dec 11, 2012 12:26 PM EST

              Take smaller puffs! lol!

                #191.1 - Tue Dec 11, 2012 12:28 PM EST

                It's still out there. With the development of medical marijuana, there so many varieties and uses.

                  #191.2 - Tue Dec 11, 2012 12:40 PM EST
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                  Pot never was and never will be a "gateway" drug to "hardcore" drugs. The only thing that could be considered "gateway" about pot was the fact that it was usually the 1st "illegal drug" that an individual used.

                    Reply#192 - Tue Dec 11, 2012 12:27 PM EST

                    The gateway is the illegal dealers, who introduce customers to something new.

                    You have to control the market, to control the market...

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                    #192.1 - Tue Dec 11, 2012 12:31 PM EST

                    In the case of Colorado and Washington nothing has changed as far as the legality of distribution so you still have "illegal dealers". As a result this social experiment is bound for failure.

                      #192.2 - Tue Dec 11, 2012 12:37 PM EST

                      The "gateway" is life's disappointments and unyielding pressures, and the inability to cope with them.

                        #192.3 - Tue Dec 11, 2012 12:42 PM EST
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                        Tax dollars at work for the right to get high? Really? How about putting tax dollars towards the right to an education. We already have enough dumb f**** walking around, how about instilling some education in some of these people instead.

                          Reply#193 - Tue Dec 11, 2012 12:33 PM EST

                          I recommend taxes from pot sales go directly to substance abuse programs, and education. And maybe some to health. Of course, theres only so much tax on this that people will accept.

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                          #193.1 - Tue Dec 11, 2012 12:35 PM EST

                          Do you realize that the government would make a lot of money off of this and this would reduce or maybe even eliminate our national debt that everyone complains about? Then we won't be indebted to China or any other country for that fact. So whats the problem?

                            #193.2 - Tue Dec 11, 2012 12:37 PM EST

                            I'm not in favor of profiting while others suffer from problems associated with not controlling a problem

                              #193.3 - Tue Dec 11, 2012 12:47 PM EST

                              Ed,

                              the Justice Department does not have a problem with that! They profit from the problems caused by the prohibition of marijuana every day! -- families destroyed, lives and careers destroyed, children deprived of their parents, misdirected police raids murdering innocent people, highest percentage of any nation in prison, and on and on. The biggest problems with marijuana come from the laws that are passed to stop it.

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                              #193.4 - Tue Dec 11, 2012 1:16 PM EST

                              I don't agree

                                #193.5 - Tue Dec 11, 2012 1:29 PM EST
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                                I always wanted to try to overdose on weed... It just don't work that way, dude...

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                                Reply#194 - Tue Dec 11, 2012 12:33 PM EST

                                Oh yes you can...Maybe not to the death, but i certainly did. I used to put away about an ounce a week. it effected my central nervous system and caused some chronic problems...till I gave it up....but I still have lingering spinal cord and back problems, though not debilitating

                                  #194.1 - Tue Dec 11, 2012 12:44 PM EST

                                  The spinal cord and back problems come from something else.

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                                  #194.2 - Tue Dec 11, 2012 1:12 PM EST

                                  Thank you doctor, but you are in error Use of drugs like pot go right to the central nervous system, that's how they work. They are also toxins as far as your body is concerned. Load your body up with too many toxins and you will end up a cripple, or dead. I love how other people tell ME what pot did to me or didn't...Stop making excuses and being in denal. You want to make it legal go ahead, but it is still bad for you LOL

                                    #194.3 - Tue Dec 11, 2012 1:18 PM EST

                                    Ed- What doctor told you that pot caused your back problems? I usally see that pot is used as therapy for those kind of problems. There are many studies that show pot benefits people with MS which is a nerve disorder. It is considered to be an anti-inflamatory as well. So- please... show the science data or research that shows any connection between pot and spinal or nerve problems exsists.

                                      #194.4 - Tue Dec 11, 2012 2:36 PM EST

                                      Oh please, that is always the doubting deniers mantra and excuse, show me the data,, show me the data. You can believe or not believe I really don't give a rat's ass. My problems came from pot, period. They started when I abused it and they stopped when I quit. I went to three hospitals and they all told me the same thing. Stop using, which I did. My body is the proof. at least for me....You complain about it all you want, there is not a real doctor in the world that won't tell you that abusing a drug like pot, will hurt you. Same as alcohol, cocaine, tobacco and any other foreign substance of that nature.

                                        #194.5 - Tue Dec 11, 2012 2:49 PM EST

                                        And just a little research tells this:

                                        However, scientific research has also drawn many connections between marijuana and irreparable damage to the central nervous system

                                          #194.6 - Tue Dec 11, 2012 3:01 PM EST

                                          It's too bad also. I really enjoyed smoking. It was a true high instead of the depressing effects of alcohol. If not for effecting my health, I might never have quit...Oh wait, that isn't true, I never would have spent as much as they do now for pot...too cheap.... In my day you could get a lid for 15.00 and a pound for 75 LOL

                                            #194.7 - Tue Dec 11, 2012 3:06 PM EST

                                            Ed-

                                            I didn't mean to come across as attacking you or trying to say that pot is harmless. It maybe is possible that you really did have your nerve problems from pot. I just wanted to make sure you were not just assuming that without medical advice or reviewing credible resources. ( Since pot's negative effects have been so exaggerated by so many people for so many decades that have no research to back up anything, i get paranoid : ).) I am genuinely just curious because I had never heard of anyone having nerve problems with it like you. It sounds like you did your research though, and you're right that you know your body better than anyone. I'm sorry you went through those problems and can't enjoy smoking.

                                            I couldn't actually find anything(online) that showed any connection between marijuana and nerve damage except to to help it. So-if you know of any resources that speak to your situation , I would be interested in reviewing it.- just for knowedge sake. Maybe I would choose not to smoke either if I know that's really a potential problem.

                                            Could it be possible your nerve damage came from any other source? like arsenic,mercury, lead poisoning, diabetes, exposure to pesticides, soil, anything where you could have maybe been poisoned near the same time frame in which you started smoking that could be coincidental? I guess, if you stopped smoking and the pain went away, then maybe a year or two later tried to smoke again and have the same pain back , then definitely it is the pot. Maybe you are allergic? Your right- I'm not the doc.

                                            It sure would be nice if the DEA allowed research. It actually might help to encouage people to not use the drug if people see that it has all kinds of risks they were not sure of before.

                                            I'm jealous you could get a # for 75. I so missed out. No fair. : )

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                                            #194.8 - Tue Dec 11, 2012 8:26 PM EST
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                                            WE WON!!! We won the elections and we will win more. Statistical FACT!!!!! The old Baggers and CON MEN are on the way out LITERALLY!!! I won't even shed a tear for them. We know what they think of blacks, Latinos, Asians, Women, Gays LGBT etc atheists, and pot smokers!!! They don't realize. The CON is a dying breed Literally. Stop hating your countrymen or LEAVE you Right Wing Nazi punks F off!!!

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                                            Reply#195 - Tue Dec 11, 2012 12:35 PM EST

                                            I agree with a lot of your concerns, but if you are throwing socialism into that mix, then I must tell you that I will not cooperate. I will set about to suck any socialist system dry and make it unsustainable. I will not work for such a system.

                                              #195.1 - Tue Dec 11, 2012 1:10 PM EST
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                                              "The people voted for him — it would be a slap in the face."

                                              Since when has Obama worried about slapping a face?

                                              The other question is, what about pre employment and post accident drug tests? Smoke 1 time and it stays with you for up to 8 days. The lawyers will say you were impaired.

                                              And that Obama character, now that he's lame duck, watch out.

                                                Reply#196 - Tue Dec 11, 2012 12:37 PM EST

                                                The real War on Marijuana

                                                ....CLIck...Click...

                                                If you do a history check on the religious beliefs that surround
                                                marjiuana use you will see that its use is consistent to the America's only.

                                                Early Native American Indians in all of the territories from
                                                Canada to the farthest tip of South America used marijuana in their daily
                                                religious practices.

                                                When the Europeans came and started killing off the indians
                                                replacing the local belief systems with Christianity the Europeans in an
                                                attempt to kill off as much of the polytheist beliefs as possible and replace
                                                it with their single god belief made using marijuana illegal citing many
                                                factors to its use including it being the drug of Satan or the Devils Weed and
                                                that madness insued for the user with its use.

                                                Creating such a paranoia around its use was another method used by
                                                Christians more notable the Church of England through the Vatican to eradicate
                                                any notion of the individual nature of the belief system of the Native American
                                                Indian Tribes of their belief to be replaced by their religion.

                                                The hate of Polytheism by early Christians stems from their hate
                                                of the ancient religions of the Roman, Greek, Egyptian and many other polytheist
                                                beliefs that were developed around astronomy and dealt with exploration of the
                                                unknown.

                                                ….silk….it adds another 40 yards.

                                                The only reason that a war against such polytheist beliefs occurred
                                                is because after Christ was murdered upon the cross the real savages of Earth
                                                were imbued with the spirit of Satan who above all else hates Creation, called
                                                Heaven, the Afterlife, Eden and Valhalla along with many other names that stem
                                                from a polytheist belief that is based upon the stars and space that surround
                                                planet Earth.

                                                The Satan worshippers cry out saying that we should not explore
                                                space or even think about life existing on other planets because this brings
                                                into question not the validity of Creation but takes away from the power of
                                                Satan who above all else hates Creation because he cannot create and has
                                                vomited from his followers mouths many tricks to make humans fearful of those
                                                who believe in man gods and goddesses because like his power he wanted to be
                                                worshipped instead of revered by all life because he was jealous of Creation.

                                                Those professing that there is only a single god from which all
                                                comes are really Satan hiding behind a mask of jealousy that include nailing a
                                                man to cross to make people look down in shame whenever they look up and ask
                                                questions about the unknowns of space and the planets.

                                                ….and Satan mocked Creation looking through humanity and laughing
                                                he said “Make loaves of bread from these rocks.”

                                                Satan has laughed and rebuked Creation by saying that humanity
                                                cannot make loaves of bread from the rocks of the Moon, Mars and many other
                                                planets within the Universe.

                                                So when laws are passed regarding marijuana use the laws being put
                                                forth are really coming from the mouth of Satan that through his followers use
                                                the burden of Christ placed upon humanity to eradicate any notion of many gods
                                                and goddesses which almost all if not all such beliefs revolve around one aspect
                                                of Creation…..the planets our moon our sun and the very notion of Creation that
                                                has been imbued in all life by Creation to set out and colonize. Such people
                                                like Satan only view their own power and control of another to keep humans down
                                                in the same hell that he was cast into. Because Satan wants to be Creation and
                                                can never be Creation so he designed his belief of keeping humanity down and
                                                away from Creation through using humans to murder Christ upon the cross where
                                                the belief of a single god….that single god being Satan would be deemed as the
                                                only determining factor and knowledge base needed by humanity and nothing more.

                                                Only a religion created by Satan would keep humanities eyes
                                                towards the ground where we as humans would be punished for his crimes always
                                                looking into the heart of hell and seeing him in many forms of wondrous guises that
                                                create a sense of godliness but keep humanity from looking up into the night
                                                sky and seeing Creation herself in all of her flowing majesty and awesome
                                                power.

                                                Because Satan was jealous of her and her children and so he set
                                                across the Earth a plague, a disease disguised as reverence and holiness in the
                                                form of a single god because all other such religions that are polytheist in
                                                nature steer humanity towards Creation and spreading the Seed of Life
                                                throughout all the Universe.

                                                Satan was cast into the pits of hell because he would not adhere
                                                to Creations rules and laws and desires nothing more than keeping humanity down
                                                before him on planet Earth so as to worship him.

                                                This is the real reason why Christ was murdered and why laws are
                                                continued to be placed like the burden of the cross upon such beliefs as
                                                polytheism because the notion of a single god is the religious belief of Satan.

                                                And this is the reason why there is a war on marijuana. Because
                                                such a war is against Creation and any form of belief associated with humanity
                                                looking into the night skies where Creation is only to be kept on the ground
                                                where Satan has been entombed by the ancient Gods and Goddesses’ because he was
                                                jealous.

                                                The Government will create such laws against the use of Marijuana but their Satan will never tell you that they used illegal drugs such as LSD during the 60's and 70's to further brainwash humans into worshipping Satan that hides so secretly and well placed within his mannersism's that humans actually think what his followers vomit is the truth.

                                                Religion says that Satan hides in the details.......not any longer.

                                                • 2 votes
                                                Reply#197 - Tue Dec 11, 2012 12:37 PM EST

                                                What a load of crap! I support marijuana legalization, but man, you are WAY out there!

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                                                #197.1 - Tue Dec 11, 2012 1:07 PM EST

                                                Hi Ed,

                                                Man you are all over the place. I am an "old man", smoked pot for 35 years straight, and quit cold turkey, to work in the medical field, which has regular drug test. I have done far more damage to my body riding my motorcycle...got t-boned by an old lady, than pot ever did. So by your logic, motorcycles should be illegal, because it did harm to my body, and wounded the old lady that hit me? Ever spent any time in a nursing home my friend? I for one do not want to live past the point in my life that I cannot take care of myself...via, wipe my own butt. Take a deep breath and enjoy your time hear on earth, and don't worry some much about how others live their life. We all have a vote in this issue, and may the majority enjoy the victory.

                                                Take Care!

                                                • 1 vote
                                                #197.2 - Tue Dec 11, 2012 11:38 PM EST
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                                                Why fabricate Obama's position on medical marijuana? He has actively and systematically shut down and prosecuted medical marijuana facilities throughout the State of California--that is hardly 'officially looking the other way' unless the author of this article is referring to looking to Mexico for President Obama's orders to deny Americans legal marijuana (which is readility available in Mexico since legalizing all recreational drugs for personal use since 2009) because of adverse affect on Mexico's income from smuggling drugs into the US

                                                  Reply#198 - Tue Dec 11, 2012 12:41 PM EST

                                                  #1) Marijuana is an Herb! It is a Plant, yes, but, so is Poppy -used for Heroin and Morphine, and the Cocoa plant - used for Cocaine and Crack! The difference is Poppy and Cocoa plants are Processed! Marijuana is not! It stays in it's True Form!! You Grow it, Pick it, Dry it, Roll it, Smoke it, or Grind it up and use it for Cooking!! To me, Marijuana is no different than St John's Wort!! It has a similar effect!! Only Better!!!

                                                  #2) Marijuana has NEVER caused people to Kill each other, Rob, Rape or do any other crime!

                                                  #3) There have NEVER been ANY deaths caused from Marijuana use!! No deaths from Overdoses either!!

                                                  #4) Marijuana is the only NON-ADDICTIVE product around!! People who partook in it's use were able to stop using with NO ILL or SEVERE SIDE AFFECTS!!! NO Withdrawal Symptoms!!!

                                                  #5) Marijuana is the only plant that has actually HELPED Thousands of Cancer, AIDS, HIV, Migraine, Tumor and Glaucoma sufferers overcome the pain and discomfort of their Illnesses! It also helps those who suffer from ADD or ADHD!!!

                                                  For example; Back in the 60's and 70's, ADD and ADHD were unknown!! It was only known as Hyper Activity and Learning Disability! My problem was that one side of my brain worked too slow while the other side worked too fast!! Causing severe problems in my sleep pattern!! I could stay awake for days at a time!! Then, as a teen, I was introduced to Marijuana!! It helped me to sleep a normal sleep pattern!! It calmed me down! As long as I was on Marijuana, I didn't have any Migraines!!! Best thing I ever did!!! When I stopped smoking Marijuana, my Migraines returned and my sleep pattern screwed up again, but I had no withdrawal symptoms or side affects!! I had more withdrawal problems with Tylenol-3 with Codeine, a Prescription, than I ever did with Pot!!

                                                  #6) For those who suffer from Eating disorders, Give them a Joint!!! Then they'll eat with no problem!!! LOL!

                                                  Marijuana needs to be LEGALIZED Federally!!!

                                                  Not only is Marijuana good Medically, it would also help cut down Road Rage!!! LOL!!

                                                  Hemp is also very good for making Clothing and many other useful items!! Just ask the Tuscarora Natives of the Iroquois Nation!! The Tuscarora use to grow and harvest Hemp!! That is how they made their living, by making clothing and many other things out of the Hemp! They were called The Shirt People! They were also called The Hemp Gatherers!

                                                  So, Legalizing Marijuana State to State is not going to do until it is Legalized Federally!!

                                                  So, Pass the Peace Pipe!!!

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                                                  Reply#199 - Tue Dec 11, 2012 12:49 PM EST

                                                  You should leave the road rage argument out, perhaps true, but a can of worms.

                                                    #199.1 - Tue Dec 11, 2012 1:04 PM EST

                                                    Please tell your congress people to suppot H. R. 6606

                                                    This will at least make sure that the feds will not interefere with state marijuana laws.

                                                      #199.2 - Tue Dec 11, 2012 2:40 PM EST
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                                                      Write an essay, but it won't change anything. If you have to get high to enjoy yourself...well...enough said.

                                                        Reply#200 - Tue Dec 11, 2012 12:59 PM EST

                                                        I used to watch the don't do drugs commercials. In most of them, I thought I was watching anti-alcohol commercials, they were that out of touch with reality (no pun intended).

                                                        Definition of hipocrite: Someone with an alcoholic drink in their hands complaining about "Them damn pot smokers".

                                                        Just FYI, I do not use MJ, and only drink socially maybe once or twice a month (1-2 beers or glasses of wine). I would not smoke MJ if legalized. I just think that prohibiting it's use is assinine and is a $$$$/special interest condition.

                                                        Peace, Myst

                                                          Reply#201 - Tue Dec 11, 2012 1:00 PM EST

                                                          I don't do either, they both are bad for the body...

                                                            #201.1 - Tue Dec 11, 2012 1:23 PM EST

                                                            Ed,

                                                            What is bad for MY body --- is none of YOUR business!

                                                              #201.2 - Tue Dec 11, 2012 2:06 PM EST

                                                              It is if it effects my insurance rates, Medicare and such you bet it is and I will always speak against it

                                                                #201.3 - Tue Dec 11, 2012 2:40 PM EST

                                                                Ed- oh really? Insurance rates? How many people are in the hospital making insurance claims from doing risky things like riding a motorcycle or being a stunt person or being too fat or too thin or just being stupid and accident prone? Should we put all those people in JAIL because they cost us more in health care????Then, what do you think the burden to the health care system is from pot? It's pretty negligible compared to alcohol and cigarettes. Check this:

                                                                Meanwhile.... how much tax dollars are waisted putting potheads in jail which cost an exteme amount in legal expences alone? Over a billion dollars. Check out this article:

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                                                                #201.4 - Tue Dec 11, 2012 3:51 PM EST

                                                                I can only speak for myself, but odds are i was not the only one, I know I am not that special, so I would say there are LOTs of medical claims that can be traced back to drug abuse..

                                                                  #201.5 - Tue Dec 11, 2012 6:17 PM EST
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                                                                  Don't buy your weed from the Federal Government...it is TERRIBLE. (Uh...Gawd awful if yo ask me.)

                                                                  Besides...don't you think the Feds will pack it full of carcinogens, like the tobacco companies do?

                                                                  No thank you...I know plenty of growers in my state (where it's illegal)....I trust them comparatively speaking.

                                                                    Reply#202 - Tue Dec 11, 2012 1:00 PM EST

                                                                    Those jack booted thugs at the justice department have no regard for the rights and freedoms of the American people. They are dictators. They are tyrants. They should be buried.

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                                                                    Reply#203 - Tue Dec 11, 2012 1:00 PM EST

                                                                    Hey expat -

                                                                    They WILL be buried...the trend is continuing...and as more states grant legal access, they WILL HAVE TO DO SOMETHING about it. Sadly, they will have to go with what the PEOPLE want....not their own selfish interests.

                                                                    YAY! FINALLY!

                                                                      #203.1 - Tue Dec 11, 2012 1:02 PM EST
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                                                                      The Fed's are too busy trying to implement and fund a health program. A program that incidentally would not have passed without some last minute backroom deals with the pharmaceutical companies. You can bet that the pharms won't allow it without there stamp of approval, which would probably mean them having control of the goods (pot).

                                                                      i often hear the argument that it works in Amsterdam. Well that depends on what one considers working. While the use of "hard" drugs has gone down in Amsterdam, the incidence of health and lung problems attributed to smoking have risen dramatically. They are in a situation where a gov't funded health program is dealing with the effects of legalizing pot. So would any revenue gained by legalizing pot offset the costs now that we are going to have Obamacare? Will Obamacare handle the states that have legalized it differently? Higher rates etc?

                                                                      I personally don't care whether it is legalized or not, unless it is beneficial to society. Both sides have their points, and hopefully some of the states that have legalized it can come up with the information needed as to how it works out. Ideally it would be left up to the states and the feds would turn a blind eye if need be.

                                                                      Part of me has always felt that if it works at lowering hard drug use and can cut significantly down on gang/drug related problems, that in itself is a step forward. I just don't know how many steps back it may be in other areas or the long lasting ramifications. I quit smoking the rope years ago, and even then I never blindly saw that legalizing it was without also having an evil side. Kind of the be careful what you wish for because you just might get it thought.

                                                                        Reply#204 - Tue Dec 11, 2012 1:01 PM EST

                                                                        barb210- ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha - yer funnee

                                                                          Reply#205 - Tue Dec 11, 2012 1:06 PM EST

                                                                          If people want to make pot legal, then it will become legal, but that in no way means it is a good thing. We made alcohol legal and now it is an accepted thing, but certainly alcohol use in many ways is still not a good thing. It is abused, lives are ruined, people are killed, health is impared, etc, etc, etc. it is not a good thing, it is just an accepted thing The same will be true of pot. If the people want it legal then so be it, but don't kid yourself. Just because it might become an accepted thing, it still will not be a good thing. It will be abused, lives will be ruined, people will get killed and health will be impared....Cigarettes are legal, but we all know what good THEY do. We fight their use all the time and things ARE geting better. Having LESS people smoke has been a good thing. Having more people use pot will not be good

                                                                            Reply#206 - Tue Dec 11, 2012 1:06 PM EST

                                                                            But Ed, alcohol use has declined with the end of prohibition, not increased! The same thing is likely to happen with marijuana. You should be in favor!

                                                                              #206.1 - Tue Dec 11, 2012 2:09 PM EST

                                                                              Ya, that will never happen They both are bad substances. TRhe only REAL argument here, except for funny pot head postings, is that we should make it legal to save money. In other words, even though we know it is bad and cause probloems, throw up our hands and say we give up, just like with alcohol. It won't lead to anything good. And even if it is true that alcohol use has declined, I would guess that is because peoplke realize it isn't good for you and ythe remaining users are abusing. The same will happen with Pot. It's just that people will write all them off thinking they will save money, but they won't.... Not unless you don't put any value on human life

                                                                                #206.2 - Tue Dec 11, 2012 2:54 PM EST
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                                                                                So where will all that 'legal' pot come from?

                                                                                Thee's first guess: Ummm - Mexico? Thee's second guess: From some guys basement in Scranton, PA.

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                                                                                Reply#207 - Tue Dec 11, 2012 1:15 PM EST

                                                                                It's hard to imagine a person named "Hickenlooper" NOT signing a pot amendment!

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                                                                                Reply#208 - Tue Dec 11, 2012 1:18 PM EST

                                                                                uh.......what?.lol......
                                                                                wait now i remember.........what?......where's my cheeto's

                                                                                  Reply#209 - Tue Dec 11, 2012 1:18 PM EST

                                                                                  The Mexican drug cartels will suddenly don business suits and organize legitimate corporations to carry on their activity.

                                                                                    Reply#210 - Tue Dec 11, 2012 1:19 PM EST

                                                                                    But they won't need their guns any more.

                                                                                      #210.1 - Tue Dec 11, 2012 1:24 PM EST

                                                                                      They will always need their guns.

                                                                                        #210.2 - Tue Dec 11, 2012 3:46 PM EST
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                                                                                        I'd still be careful because your employer probably goes by Federal rules because of their insurance so by Federal law they can still fire you for it.

                                                                                          Reply#211 - Tue Dec 11, 2012 1:20 PM EST

                                                                                          Companies can go by their own rules. If they want, they can be arch-conservative and fire you for even attending a party where pot is smoken.

                                                                                            #211.1 - Tue Dec 11, 2012 1:23 PM EST

                                                                                            hey melis.....what if before their game of quarters we have obama and boener smoke a fatty....think negotiations are slow now? lol......I guess we could just hold their hand with a pen in it and scribble a signature for them.

                                                                                              #211.2 - Tue Dec 11, 2012 1:30 PM EST

                                                                                              If you say something negative about the company you work for on lets say Facebook, some companies do fire you for it. Sometimes in that one I can understand the companies justification for it and at the same time we do have freedom of speech but to be used wisely.

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                                                                                                    #211.5 - Tue Dec 11, 2012 2:27 PM EST
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