Well, you certainly won't be on the jury.

And neither will you AG99.

and your indisputable evidence beyond a reasonable doubt is what? The misleading and lying news media? Your gut? Withheld evidence supporting the defense? Just what is your evidence you have that he is so guilty......?

Lame Name: Why? Because I haven't made up my mind he's guilty yet? As it is, I can't think of anything I'd want less than to be on this jury. What a thankless job that will be. Damned if you convict him and damned if you don't.

Dandi,
A dead unarmed-teenager. Evidence enough?

One of the most interesting items coming from today's hearings is the prosecutor's reference to the information that Jose Baez provided Bernie de la Rionda. That information included the fact that in two drfts, Serino wanted George charged with 2nd degree murder. Only in the final submission did Serino ask for manslaughter charges.

Military Man,

If you really have a military background as your name suggests (unless it is supposed to be ironic or something?), you ought to know one doesn't have to have a weapon to harm someone else.

No, Mil Man, that isn't enough. What EVIDENCE do you have that shows EXACTLY who started what??? Just what I thought - NOTHING!!! That leaves the matter to the COURTS. If the opinion of the JURY is that Martin attacked Zimmerman on his way to the vehicle as he states, he may be found not guilty; if the believe Zimmerman continued after Martin and created the physical confrontation, he may be found guilty. Till then, no one can tell what will happen.

One of the most interesting items coming from today's hearings is the prosecutor's reference to the information that Jose Baez provided Bernie de la Rionda. That information included the fact that in two drfts, Serino wanted George charged with 2nd degree murder. Only in the final submission did Serino ask for manslaughter charges.

That was a very interesting turn of events. And Bernie dropped it like a bombshell. Nicely played.

The States Attorney reviewed the evidence and decided that there was not enough evidence to even support a charge of manslaughter, and nothing has changed. Charging Zimmerman was a purely political decision to try to keep the blacks from rioting, nothing more, and Corley went around the Grand Jury because she knew she had no chance for an indictment, and Serino is now walking a beat.

Actually AG99 I figured you won't be on the jury because Colorado is no where near Folrida ;)

Well, yeah, that too. And thank god for it! Can you imagine being a resident of that county, waiting to see if you were picked to serve on this godawful trial? No matter what the verdict is, some of your friends probably wouldn't talk to you again.

The States Attorney reviewed the evidence and decided that there was not enough evidence to even support a charge of manslaughter, and nothing has changed.

Actually, something did change. A special prosecutor was appointed, and George was charged with 2nd degree murder. Two judges found probable cause to support the charges being filed against him. Now George is on trial for 2nd degree murder.

Steve, initially, the State's Attorney said that there was not enough evidence to ensure a win in court. He wanted the case to be less ambiguous, so he asked the Sanford police to continue investigating and get him enough evidence for a win. The police appeared to put the case on the "back burner," and that is when the special prosecutor was appointed.

hiap,
I am military (25 years Army) and at 17, I didn't have the knowledge to kill someone with my bare hands. I could have done injury, but if I put myself in the situation of receiving an A$$ wooping, I took it. I never would have considered even pulling a knife in a fist fight. Not that I ever lost a fight.
Even in the military, we are taught defensive tactics in hand to hand, unless you are Infantry, Ranger or Special Forces.

I have not read anywhere that Martin had taken any kind of Martial Arts.

Zimmerman is the worst kind of coward. He mentioned that Martin went for his gun, but unless he pulled it, how would Martin have known it was there?

Everyone is asking for evidence. Well Zimmerman and the 911 tape recording both confirmed that he was told to stay in his car. He did not do this. He went after Martin. He was not standing his ground. He was the pursuer. And since he was packing a firearm when he was not suppose to be carrying while on the neighbor watch duty is enough evidence for me. Zimmerman did NOT follow any of the rules that would have prevented this killing from taking place. I think he should be charged with first degree murder because he knew he was breaking the rules but did it anyway. Enough said.

TO: Dandit61 who wrote:

"and your indisputable evidence beyond a reasonable doubt is what?..."

Somebody is dead, and Zimmerman did not sustain "life threatening" injuries.

I think that qualifies as "evidence".

Thank you Ret MSgt., American Girl,

Both points I've been making since this started. Zimmerman was on the phone with the dispatcher for over a minute, not once in that time did he go back to his car as he was directed.

However, Zimmerman is stupid, not guilty of 1st Degree Murder since he probably had no intention of killing anyone, he just bit off more than he could chew once he was face to face with the guy he was persuing. He is a weakling and a coward.

I have been in a few fights with people who were bigger than I am (5' 8" 170) and although there was always a chance I might lose, I never considered confronting another UNARMED person with anything other than my fists.

As has been pointed out in nearly every step of this, Zimmerman did not sustain injuries that would have been considered life threatening. He got his a$$ kicked, and he shot an unarmed teenager. He should have taken his beating, stepped away, or not followed Martin at all.

Master Sergeant;

While I am in complete agreement with you on the charges preferred against Zimmerman, I would like to correct a misconception.

Zimmerman, despite being a neighborhood watch captain, was not on duty that night. He was on his way to Target on an errand (though one wonders why he felt the need to take a gun with him to Target) and so was perfectly within his rights to carry his firearm.

One could also argue, however, that in calling in a report of a suspicious person and then exiting his vehicle to follow said suspicious person, he was then placing himself 'on duty' and as such, knew that the neighborhood watch rules prohibited carrying of weapons and so should never have removed his weapon from the vehicle.

Another question to consider is why, if he was under treatment by a psychiatric professional with psychotropic drugs such as benzodiazepines and amphetamines, was he permitted to carry a weapon at all. In my municipality if a person is being treated for a psychiatric disorder, they have to surrender any ad all weapons and permits until such time as they are no longer under treatment or any behavior-altering medications for the condition have been discontinued.

I haven't been able to confirm from any lawyer in FL if this is the rule in that state, but it seems like such a common-sens rule that I can't imagine something like it not being in place--and if there is such a rule, then the State would have been negligent in allowing him to retain his weapons and permits in defiance of the law.

My Dad was in the Army--Vietnam and Korean War vet--and he always told me to use the absolute minimum amount of force needed to accomplish a goal. I have found a similar philosophy among combat veterans, so I assume this is something common to military-trained individuals. A year ago when a stoner tried to break into my house I met him at the door with my swords--he could barely coordinate himself well enough to stagger up my front steps--and held him at sword point until the police got there. I do own a firearm--my Dad's 'Nam piece, an S&W 39, and I live in an inner-city municipality and my neighborhood sees regular activity from five different local gangs, and still I have never once seen the need to take Dad's gun out.

If he's paranoid enough to have to take his gun to Target, I would hate to see what would happen if Zimmerman lived in my neighborhood.

Amanda, well said!

Very good post, Amanda!

Ditto to the above Amanda!!

Ret_MSgt. writes that the NEN tape confirms that George was told not to follow Trayvon by the dispatcher and

He did not do this. He went after Martin. He was not standing his ground. He was the pursuer.

Yes........ and George continued even after he says "okay" to the dispatcher. He later told the investigators that he was simply going in the same direction as Trayvon because he needed to get an address at the end of the T on Retreat View Circle and that he WAS on the WAY BACK on the T toward his vehicle that he and Trayvon met up.

However, George NEVER went to Retreat View Circle.

Here is the proof:

First, here are the important time stamps of the NEN tape that are played to George in Part 3 of the February 29, 2012 interview–

2:08 GZ- "He's running" (George exits car)

2:24 Dispatcher- "Are you following him?"

2:25 GZ- "Yeah"

2:28 Dispatcher- "We don't need you to do that"

2:48 GZ is knocking on his flashlight right after giving his last name to dispatcher.

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I want to point out that George is knocking on his flashlight (2:48 time stamp)………40 seconds after he exits his car.

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But, look where George says he is at time stamp 2:40 to 2:48 in the February 29, 2012 interview with Singleton and Serino where they question George as they play back portions of the NEN tape of George's recorded call:

(plays tape 2:40 to 2:47)
Serino: Where you at now?
Zimmerman: On Retreat View Circle, I think.
Serino: OK.

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The above interview proves that George never made it to RVC because he says to Serino that he was at Retreat View Circle at the point (in the tape) that is 40 seconds after he exited his car!

Steve-2081387

The States Attorney reviewed the evidence and decided that there was not enough evidence to even support a charge of manslaughter, and nothing has changed. Charging Zimmerman was a purely political decision to try to keep the blacks from rioting, nothing more, and Corley went around the Grand Jury because she knew she had no chance for an indictment, and Serino is now walking a beat.

That BS spewing from your mouth is racist rhetoric and nothing else.

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Thank you, Mr. Racist. You aren't helping him at all.

So dumb. There should be no mention of his race whatsoever in this article. Who's racist?

The article should say a resident killed a non-resident on private property. That's all.

I agree. Specifying the participants' race is just fanning the flames. It should be irrelevant. Every time we bring it up, we solidify racial bias.

It's not as if Latinos can't be racist. I have a nephew who is ignored by his Latino family, including his father, for the 13 years of his life because he "looks too white" which is funny because my sister wasn't "too white" to f*ck. I hate to break it to you but no one group has the market cornered when it comes to racism and the reality is that no group is immune to being racist. It's a personality type that infects all walks of life.

Mort,

A sidewalk is NOT private property. It is owned by the city, even in a gated community. Plus, Martin was a guest, an invited guest.

Do you routinely shoot your guests? If you don't know someone invited to your party, do you challenge them, or allow them to explain who invited them?

Military Man,

A street or sidewalk in a private gated community ARE private property.

They are not built or maintained by the government. They are built and maintained by the homeowner's association.

Not looking good for the HOA's liability in a civil suit, then.

They are maintained by the community, ie., the city. Yes they are maintained by tax revenues.

MM: Depends on the sidewalk. In my last HOA, sidewalks were built and maintained by the lot owner when they built their houses. They were responsible for them. Commercial areas may be different.

Wrong! The Retreat at Twin Lakes is 100% private and no part is owned or maintained by the city. The roads and sidewalks are all private common area for the benefit and enjoyment of the owners and residents and not for trespassers.

Zimmerman had every right as a resident to question someone he did not recognize as a resident or owner on that private property. In fact, he was charged with that as watch captain for the HOA.

Martin had a right to be there, and if he would have taken the time to explain that instead of assaulting Zimmerman, he would be alive today.

I imagine that the tone of George's questioning of Trayvon matched the same tone as heard on the NEN tape when George says, "Fu@king goons" and "These a$$h@oles.....they always get away."

Trayvon was a suspended student spending time at this father's girlfriend's rental unit.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/03/28/zimmerman-s-twin-lakes-community-was-on-edge-before-trayvon-shooting.html

Zimmerman said "@!$%#ing cold" referring to the temperature at the time. Had nothing to do with Trayvon.

Trayvon was a suspended student spending time at this father's girlfriend's rental unit.

And so?

Here is George's history.

He lied by omission in that he did not inform the HOA of his past arrest record when he took on the role of NW coordinator.

New documents have become available to the public that recall a violent relationship from Trayvon Martin shooter George Zimmerman’s past. According to records, Zimmerman’s ex-fiance filed a petition accusing him of pushing her in 2005. The Orlando Sentinel has the latest.

The court records concern a conflict between Zimmerman and his ex-fiancé, who filed a petition accusing Zimmerman of pushing her during an argument at her Orlando home in August 2005.

The woman reported Zimmerman had arrived at her home Aug. 8 and asked to talk. Later, when she asked him to leave, she said, he insisted on staying and demanded documents she had.

The woman said she offered to drop the papers off the following day, but Zimmerman became upset, took her cell phone and shoved her. A fight ensued, she said, and her dog bit Zimmerman’s cheek.

more click> here

From GZ's Facebook page--

Im still free! The ex hoe tried her hardest, but the judge saw through it! Big Mike, reppin the Dverse security makin me look a million bucks, broke her down! Thanks to everyone for checkin up on me! Search By: Party Exact Name: on Party Search Mode: Name Last Name: Zimmerman First Name: George Case Status: Closed Date Filed On or After: 01/01/2005 Date Filed On or Before: 01/01/2006 Sort By: Filed Date

Case Number Citation Number Style/Defendant Info Filed/Location/Judicial Officer Type/Status Charge(s)

2005-CF-009525-A-O
ZIMMERMAN, GEORGE MICHAEL
10/05/1983

07/18/2005
Div 10
OKane, Julie H

Criminal Felony
Closed

(downgraded to misdemeanor)

CR-RESISTING OFFICER WITH VIOLENCE
BATTERY ON LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER
2005-MM-010436-A-O
ZIMMERMAN, GEORGE MICHAEL
10/05/1983

07/18/2005
Orlando
Miller, W Michael

Misdemeanor
closed

CR-RESISTING OFFICER WITHOUT VIOLENCE
2005-DR-012980-O

ZUAZO, VERONICA vs. ZIMMERMAN, GEORGE M

08/09/2005
Div 44
44, TBA

Domestic Violence
Closed - SRS

2005-DR-013069-O

ZIMMERMAN, GEORGE M vs. ZUAZO, VERONICA A

08/10/2005
Div 46
White, Keith F

Domestic Violence
Closed - SRS

From GZ's Facebook page

Good news???? Bout Damn time!!!!!!!

2 felonies dropped to 1 misdemeanor!!!!!!!!!!! The man knows he was wrong but still got this hump, Thanks to everyone friends and fam, G baby you know your my rock!

Military Man-1740371

A sidewalk is NOT private property. It is owned by the city, even in a gated community.

They are maintained by the community, ie., the city. Yes they are maintained by tax revenues.

I worked for the street maintenance division for the city I live in and we maintained sidewalks, roads, trees, street lights and signs. Any privately owned property, such as a gated community, is solely responsible for maintaining streets, sidewalks, trees, lights, etc., within that property. Outside of the property the city is responsible for. The city would not come in to do any work, the owner would need to contact a private contractor to come in and do work. All money comes from those who pay to live there in order to keep things maintained, not the city. In regards to HOA, for those who have contracts to have private companies come in to maintain are responsible for maintenance, otherwise those HOAs who have no specified contract will rely on the city for maintenance. In this case, the incident happened in a gated community which means that the sidewalk is private property as well.

Martin had a right to be there, and if he would have taken the time to explain that instead of assaulting Zimmerman, he would be alive today.

First 6 words are what is going to send George Zimmerman to prison.

Attempting to blame the victim is cowardly.

Attempting to blame the victim is cowardly.

Who's the victim and who's the criminal, DOCJT?

If Zimmerman is found innocent, he will be the victim and you will be the one blaming him so I hope you remember your words.

Well, let's see. The police reports list the deceased, Trayvon Benjamin Martin as the victim.

George is charged with second degree murder, out of jail on 1 mil bond, and is being monitored 24/7 in regard to his movements, cannot have a bank account, cannot possess a passport, has a 6PM-6AM curfew, and cannot leave Seminole County except to go to Orange Co. to meet with his attorney (and only with prior notification to and permission from the Adult Probation Dept.), and is not allowed in the vicinity of an airport.

Does that answer your question?

Oh, yeah. I'll remember my words. And I will remind you of them when George is transported to the state pen for a 25-life sentence on a 2nd degree murder conviction.

Do I smell a bet DOCJT? Name your terms.

How much do you have in your bank account right now? I'll copy and paste this to my home page to preserve it for future pay off.

I was thinking more along the lines of changing our Avatars (nothing that violates the TOS). You know, something that we can actually collect on.

State of Awareness, Mort,

I stand corrected. I am not an authority on gated communities.

Most of the areas I have lived in, with gated areas, still use city funds to maintain them, as well as HOA dues. Those are usually used for grounds keeping and unit upkeep for those who are in Condominiums and Town Houses.

It appeared to me that the houses in question are tract housing, a bunch of units that look identical. There is a sidewalk running between two complexes that was shared between the two. I know different geographies have different rules, but normally the division between two units is shared responsibility and NO ONE's individual property.

was thinking more along the lines of changing our Avatars (nothing that violates the TOS). You know, something that we can actually collect on.

So, you're broke, huh? Probably shouldn't be impulsively challenging people to bets, then.

You don't need money to make a bet. I like the avatar idea. It's kind of like a shave-your-head bet.

Far from it. It would just be difficult to enforce since we don't know each other's real names, where we live. Things like that.

No willingness to take the risk, no value, no confidence in your own bet.

Far from it. It would just be difficult to enforce since we don't know each other's real names, where we live. Things like that.

I'm a person of my word. Can't speak for you.

I enjoy the avatar idea.. How about a picture of whoever holding a sign that said I was wrong and you were right in the picture..

It's going to be a hard case.. I have been in many debates over it, made debating friends.. I don't think the stand your ground is going to stand to be honest.. But thankfully we don't have such a wonky law here.. And thankfully I wont have to be a juror..

You know, that just might be a worthwhile wager, lol.

Yeah just like Joe Scarborough bet David Axelrod that he'd grow a mustache if Obama won North Carolina or Florida. Doesn't a mustache look great on Joe? Oh wait! He weaseled out of that after he lost. My mistake. Bought his way out I mean.

No, she be too freaky, you would wake up with a Glad Trash bag twisted around you head.

IXLR8

After the chloroform, Im not sure youd wake up at all!

If someone walks up to you and challenges you with no explanation as to why, do you; a. Laugh at him? b. Walk away? c. Ignore him or d. Ask him why it's any of their business?

No one knows, or will probably ever will know, who grabbed who or pushed who. Martin would not have attacked Zimmerman for absolutely no reason. Zimmerman was primed and ready when he left his car, you could hear it on the 911 call. None of us heard the challenge, but Martin's girlfriend did.

Achem's Razor-

The simplest explanation is usually the right one.

You can draw your own conclusion; Zimmerman was NOT on his own property, he was not acting as a representative of the Neighborhood watch and he was told not to leave his car, since the police were on their way. There is no "stand your ground" here.

I'm not saying he is guilty of murder, just neglegent homicide.

Military Man,

No one knows, or will probably ever will know, who grabbed who or pushed who.

Exactly. The only thing we know is who punched who. Trayvon punched Zimmerman. The lack of defensive injuries on Trayvon would seem to indicate that Zimmerman never touched him. Since there is no evidence that Zimmerman attacked Trayvon, and people are innocent until proven guilty, I don't see how they can prove Mr. Zimmerman's guilt.

Also:

he was told not to leave his car

I suggest you go re-listen to the tape. Zimmerman is already out of his car when the dispatcher asks him if he is following Trayvon. Zimmerman tells the dispatcher he is following at which point the dispatcher says "Ok, we don't need you to do that." Zimmerman then responds "Ok." and the heavy breathing and rustling noises (indicative of someone running) trail off until they stop completely and Zimmerman says "He ran." (indicating Trayvon got away)

Doesn't really sound like Zimmerman disregarded the police's "order" like everyone seems to believe (for no apparent reason, other than wanting to believe Zimmerman is guilty.)

You make my point exactly, he was STILL ON the phone. He heard the dispatcher.

Zimmerman confronted Martin. If he ran, Zimmerman must have caught him, otherwise Zimmerman would have been safely back at his car. He should have gone straight back to his car, either way, he disregarded the instructions. The police were there within 3 minutes of the call, and Martin was already dead.

Military Man,

Why do you keep perpetuating the most basic of lies about the case that has been repeated since the very beginning of this mess; that Zimmerman was told by the police not to leave his vehicle and disobeyed said statement.

In fact, Zimmerman was A.) already out of his car when asked by the dispatcher, B.) was told "you don't need to do that," which is a suggestion, and even if it were a more direct statement, a dispatcher cannot issue law abiding orders to a citizen.

If you can't even get that right, why should anyone listen to anything else you have to say?

Military Man,

Go listen to the tape on Wikipedia right now.

At about 1:30, you can hear the famous "We don't need you to do that" command.

About 15 seconds later, the heavy breathing stops and Zimmerman says "He ran."

About a minute after that, Zimmerman is reluctant to give his address because "I don't know where this guy is." Indicating that he doesn't know where Trayvon is so he can't be following him at this point.

About 30 seconds after that, Zimmerman hangs up with police and never indicates that he knows where Trayvon is.

So, by the time Zimmerman hangs up with police, Trayvon has been out of Zimmerman's sight for about 1 minute 45 seconds.

Now about 2 minutes after Zimmerman's call ends, the first 911 call reporting a fight comes in (this is the one where you can hear someone yelling for help.)

My question is, how did the out of shape Mr. Zimmerman locate and catch up to the high school football player Mr. Martin (who, remember, had been out of Zimmerman's sight for at least 1:45) and then start a fight that progressed to the point that people started calling 911, all in under 2 minutes?

The timeline makes it nearly impossible for Zimmerman to have been the aggressor.

was told "you don't need to do that,

Oh, puh-leeze! Zimmerman is supposed to be an adult. He knew exactly what was being communicated. That is why he said, "Okay." His "okay" affirms understanding of the message.

Does he have to be told to use soap when he takes a shower, or is he smart enough to figure that out from the context and the content?

DOCJT,

And his stopping running affirms that he did heed the dispatchers "order" and re-affirmed when he says "He ran" and re-re-affirmed when he says "I don't know where this guy is."

You don't have to be running to be chasing after, Scuba Steve. And the very fact that the dead body is in a location MORE distant from where George stated he was parked, not LESS distant, shows that George indeed, continued to follow, and look for, Trayvon Martin.

So a walking Zimmerman caught up to a running Trayvon?

Military Man

If someone walks up to you and challenges you with no explanation as to why, do you; a. Laugh at him? b. Walk away? c. Ignore him or d. Ask him why it's any of their business?

You left out "e": Assault him.

"e" is what got Martin killed.

Even if, and thats a BIG if, which cant be proven one way or the other, Zimmerman continued to look for Martin after talking to the dispatcher, when a person is assaulted they have every right to defend themselves.

Steve-2081387: Even if, and thats a BIG if, which cant be proven one way or the other, Zimmerman continued to look for Martin after talking to the dispatcher, when a person is assaulted they have every right to defend themselves

You left out a couple of things. Zimmerman admitted that he followed Trayvon in his vehicle then left his truck and followed Trayvon on foot.

When Trayvon asked him if Zimmerman were following him George lied and stated that he wasn't while reaching for his pocket claiming that he was trying to get his cell phone although his gun happened to be in that pocket.

So a walking Zimmerman caught up to a running Trayvon?

Point being, Zimmerman was pursuing.

DOCJT,

You're missing the bigger point. How did Zimmerman catch Martin if he wasn't running? Martin would have had to turn around and confronted Zimmerman. Which means Martin had the option to get away or initiate a confrontation and he chose the latter.

The point is, Zimmerman pursued. Everything else you are trying to bring in is nothing more than distraction. Zimmerman pursued. He lost his claim to self defense at that point in time.

Martin should never have been in the position of having to "get away" from George Zimmerman. Martin was doing nothing illegal. He was walking home. There would not be an issue of Trayvon Martin "getting away" from George Zimmerman if George Zimmerman had not been pursuing.

Sorry, Steve. You can't get around it, can't go under it, and can't go over it. There it is. Deal with it.

DOCJT,

You are incorrect. You can pursue someone, lose them, and then have them come after you and be allowed to claim self defense. It's even in the SYG law. Its section 2A or 2B. I can't remember which.

Maybe you had better look it up, then, and get someone to explain it to you.

then have them come after you [scubasteve]

There is no evidence that Trayvon "went after" George. The only evidence that exists is that Trayvon tried to get away from George who was following Trayvon.

There is as much evidence that Trayvon went after Zimmerman as there is for the reverse scenario.

Uh, let me think about that one. Nope!

Scuba,
You are missing the entire point of interest in the scenario. ZIMMERMAN GOT OUT OF HIS CAR AND PURSUED MARTIN...that is all that mattered. Zimmerman took it upon himself to act as law enforcement AFTER being directed NOT to.

I said the DISPATCHER directed him not to follow Martin, not the Police. Either way he was directed by LAW enforcement to leave it to the police! His mistake was to think he could act as a COP in a situation where he should have WAITED for the real police.

Steve,

Zimmerman initiated the confrontation. That's it. IF he was assaulted, it was on him.

Military Man,

He was out of his car before being directed not to follow and, as far as anyone can prove, he complied with that order.

Then why was he so much farther from his vehicle than he would have been according to the time stamp on the audio where the dispatcher told him not to follow? You seem to be trying to ignore the fact that the dead body was no where near the location that George had given the dispatcher. That means that George was moving away from his car, not toward it.

Here is the way these things are supposed to work:

1) Dispatcher says not to follow.

2) George says, "Okay."

3) George stops at that exact point, turns around, and returns to his vehicle.

Unfortunately, George did not return to his vehicle. George, according to his own statements, continued to follow after Trayvon Martin and to look for him. He moved further from his vehicle, not closer. How can he possibly be going back to his vehicle by moving in a direction away from his vehicle?

Great Post DOCJT!! We both know that ScubaSteve just keeps saying the same thing over and over - Here's Scuba's continuous whine - "But he did return to his car" - Like saying the same thing on every vine regarding GZ is gonna make it true. Anyone that has watched the re-enactment and heard GZ's many stories knows that GZ DID NOT return to his vehicle. Hell, GZ admits that he continued in the "same direction as Trayvon" in order to find " a street name or an address' depending on which account you happen to want to believe. Even Serino laughed at that one!!

BTW - after today's hearing, Serino is once again a good Cop in my book. Wow - I would say Jose Baez dropped a bomb on O'Mara. O'Mara went home singing "you dropped a bomb on me Baby.. You dropped a bomb on me". Sorry - I know this is a very serious situation, but I just couldn't help myself.

3) George stops at that exact point, turns around, and returns to his vehicle.

To get his gun..

He already had his gun when Martin assaulted him, thats why GZ is alive and Martin is dead.

Thanks for demonstrating intent for the prosecution's side.

Exactly Doc.. I was just being sarcastic with my post because everyone wants to say he did go back to his car.. Well yeah to get his gun and chase after him.. But they proved more of your point he had his gun already chasing the kid..

Arggg people are so funny and stupid at the same time it makes me laugh.

1. Yeah I went to the street to get a street name/address. Wow not illegal. Oh and ok to look and see if I see the kid running away out the other exit since that is where he took off. Again so?

2. He was heading back at his car. Since we can almost assume the tapping is that item in the middle he was CLOSER to his car when the altercation occured then when he was not. God people just want to focus on stuff that is completely irrelevant. Makes me laugh.

3. DOCJT are so single minded that because the dispatcher said we dont need you to do that he should have immediately ran back to his car and hidden until the police arrived? Foolish concept indeed.

4. You all seem to ignore the 2 minutes the kid didnt go 200 feet? And somehow the altercation occurs BACK THE OTHER way when he is walking back to his car. If you do the simple math GZ was exactly where he would have been should he walked out to the street and then back to his car but you wont because you have some type of ax to grind.

5. If he was chasing this kind with a gun like you say I doubt he would let him beat the crap out of him or scream for help for 45 seconds. Again foolish to think either of those scenerios make sense.

6. What makes sense to me? Hmm well the kid looked like he was on drugs TRESSPASSING on someone elses property makes a thug type manuver and then takes off around a corner. After realizing he is on the phone with the cops waits and hides. Then upon his "girlfriends" goading he goes after him and wants to impress he how he is going to go knock this cracker the f out. Hmmm yeah somehow that makes sense to me. Saying he was "Scared" of someone at 7pm on a sunday in a gated community is ludicrous at best. He had 15 different options and none of them required him confronting or assaulting GZ. So if I am walking behind you in me neighborhood and we happen to be going the same way if you ask me if i am following you and i say no its ok for you to punch me in the face? Really. Great logic in bizarro world.

2. He was heading back at his car. Since we can almost assume the tapping is that item in the middle he was CLOSER to his car when the altercation occured then when he was not. God people just want to focus on stuff that is completely irrelevant. Makes me laugh.

Actually George said that he continued on the T to look for an address on Retreat View Circle. Poor guy could not just look at the number on the house on Twin Tree Lane at the beginning of his walk on the T. George wants us to believe he did not know the name of Twin Tree Lane which is one of only three streets in the gated community. Ha! Wait until the jury hears that one!

And wait until the jury learns that George made it to Retreat View Circle in 40 seconds after he exited his vehicle! see my post at click> #2.23 . It was 290 feet from George's vehicle to Retreat View Circle. He could not have done that in 40 seconds. 290 feet is 10 feet short of the length of a football field.

Your scenario doesn't fly, Dan.

@Dan,

George already tried that BS in his first 3 interviews. No one bought it. That's why he was charged with 2nd degree murder.

Jesus Christ people

Why can't you get off "The dispatcher could not issue a legal order"

Caller..."Hello 911....my house is on fire"

Dispatcher....."I suggest you get out of the house...the fire dept will be there soon"

Caller...."Naw....you can't order me to leave my house....I'm gonna sit here and let it burn down around me"

And then those that say "it was just a suggestion"

And the definition of suggestion?.....A subtle command"

If he has no reason to run for murdering a young man, why did he lie to the court?

hhhhmmmm?????

Bob,

Maybe because he didn't want a $1,000,000 bail to start off with?

Mr. Zimmerman most likely used a bail bondsman to post bond (because who has $1,000,000 just lying around?) When you use a bail bondsman, you have to throw 10% down on that bond (that's $100,000 for those math challenged folks). You don't get that $100,000 back. That's the bail bondsman's fee.

Scuba,
Yeah, and that was part of the $200,000. he and his wife tried to conceal from the court after they tracked him down...when he hid from the authorities.

after they tracked him down...when he hid from the authorities.

You mean when he voluntarily turned himself in for the 2nd time?

Steve,

Correct, Mr. Zimmerman has never once "hid from the authorities," he has voluntarily turned himself over to authorities every time and arrived at all court appearances without delay.

More lies and distortions from those who have attempted to declare him guilty since back when NBC was editing his police dispatch tapes to make him look like a racist.

Maybe because he didn't want a $1,000,000 bail to start off with?

He probably should have considered that before he ran around the neighborhood trying to play cops and robbers.

Correct, Mr. Zimmerman has never once "hid from the authorities,"

But he sure tried to hide thousands of dollars and a second passport. That is why he is monitored now. Showed himself to be a risk.

I hate to tell the chicken bone section this but "Beyond a reasonable DOUBT" GZ will walk shortly.........

Didn't watch the live stream of the hearing today, did you? It was a preview of exactly the way the trial will go.

hiap,

Zimmerman disappeared after the initial airing of the story in the news. The authorities had to track him down, that's when he was brought before the judge, who he told he didn't have the money for bail. That was when it was discovered that he and his wife were concealing over $200,000 he received from donations.

MM - and if any of you would have listened to the comments from his lawyer or his WIFE at the time this wouldnt have been an issue. His own lawyer said it didnt matter and why didnt they call his BIL to get the answer? Oh yeah because it sounds just plain sneaky to me. Same reason they didnt release the color photos. Wake up.....

Oh, you mean his lawyer that said that "We will not be using the SYG statute because it appears this case does not meet the criteria for SYG. Instead, we will be proceeding with a traditional self defense. According to the evidence, it appears Mr. Zimmerman was reacting to getting punched in the nose."

They didn't call his BIL because George was audio taped discussing the amount of money and how to hide it with his wife and his sister, not his brother in law. Given that she had actually handled the transfer of funds, his wife was fully aware of the amount of money available. She lied to the court. That's why she is charged with perjury.

I must have missed this one...three emploees out to get georgie porgie? Really?

You've already lost your mind. Then again, you;re one of those dickless wonders so...

lmao uh, when you follow someone with the intent to stop them you have become the aggressor...as is the case here. Also, when you lie about basic info to detectives, it doesnt bode well for you. Sorry to ruin your little fantasy robbob, but your little lover george is going to prison.

american

Its such a relief to know that you have such an insight as to Zimmermans intent, Im sure the prosecution will be glad to put you on as a witness. Do you also have an insight as to Martins intent when he assaulted him?

Take a deep breath, Steve. You are beginning to show a little testiness.

Steve-2081387

american

Its such a relief to know that you have such an insight as to Zimmermans intent

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George's friend Frank Taaffe gives us a clue:

FRANK TAAFFE's quotes--

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“All of the perpetrators of the prior burglaries were young black males.....You know, there’s an old saying that if you plant corn, you get corn.”

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"The stage was already set. It was a perfect storm,” Taaffe said. “I think any time you use a weapon, there are certain anger issues working.”

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“I think he had fed-up issues. He was mad as hell and wasn't going to take it anymore," Taaffe said of Zimmerman.

How soon they all forget, Rick

Lets refresh, NBC edited the 911 tape to make GZ look racist, which to be honest is the main reason this story is still a story. TM family and Lawyers tried to turn this into a white on black thing and NBC happened to help provide some of this evidence by editing the 911 tape. So I have to ask who was more racist GZ or the other side including at least 2 networks, ABC had the whole enhance then re-enhance of the tape a week later over whether or not GZ said "coon", which ABC proved he did not after the re-enhancing.

It dismissed three employees of the network and a local NBC station, according to published reports. Two of them are named in the lawsuit as defendants, along with NBC News' Ron Allen, the on-air correspondent for the March 20 report.

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/12/06/15735766-george-zimmerman-sues-nbcuniversal-over-editing-of-emergency-call-in-trayvon-martin-shooting?lite

The race angle and the media blitz that TM family and lawyers started 6 weeks after the shooting is the only reason this is a story at all. You can be damn sure the story about the black on black execution style shooting yesterday in NY wont get a tenth of the coverage this story has, in no small part due to the way the networks have tried to keep making it a race thing.

Zimmerman, who is of Latino descent, Martin, who was African-American

Neither of these men's ancestry or skin color has anything to do with what happened that night. Those that have been attacking GZ this whole time have had to continually change their reasons since this started, first it was a racist attack, then it was this much bigger man murdered this little boy, then it wasn't self defense because GZ had no injuries, then GZ chased TM down and attacked him, blah blah blah. It was racism, TM ended up being bigger the GZ, TM confronted GZ as GZ was going back to his truck to meet police and TM attacked him.

Long and short of it, TM was beating GZ and GZ felt his life was endanger and he shot his attacker in self defense with his legally carried sidearm, SYG not even needed.

Robbob - nothing in your posts makes George Zimmerman "innocent" of 2nd degree murder. There is absolutely NO proof that as you say:

TM was beating GZ

Just the word of a proven LIAR. Nice rant though.

Robbob you are putting your own spin on people changing their story. I have stated the same things right from the beginning. I have never called it racism. It was profiling but it wasn't racism.

I am glad that you were there and you know exactly what GZ did. You are the only eyewitness and you should go and inform the police that you saw GZ walking back to his vehicle and that you saw TM attack him. The only evidence to that is GZ's own words. Even his conversations with the dispatcher belie that account. Why did he decide not to get in his vehicle and meet the police at the mailboxes as originally planned? Why did he instead tell the dispatcher to have the police call him when they arrive so that he can direct them to his location if he was on his way back to his vehicle to meet the police? How was it that he had an approximately 1 1/2 minute conversation with the dispatcher after he was told not to follow TM yet he never made it all the way back to his vehicle but instead ended up farther away from his vehicle? There are logical answers to all of those questions and not a one of them is that he was going back to his truck to meet the police as you want to claim. To claim the TM was fast enough to get all the way to the other end of the walkway in the few seconds that GZ was chasing him before he lost sight of him is ludicrous. The most logical explanation of why GZ lost sight of TM is because he ducked out of sight, most likely in someone's yard to wait until GZ (the crazy guy chasing him for no apparent reason) left. Since you all claim that GZ isn't stupid, I am sure that he figured that one out and instead of going back to his vehicle he continued to search for TM. We have testimony from TM's gf that she heard him ask GZ why he was following him and GZ responding by wanting to know what TM was doing there. There is every indication by GZ's conversation to the dispatcher that he attempted to detain TM for the police and ended up getting the short end of the stick. Just because TM has no apparent injuries (such as bruises) does not mean that GZ didn't get any licks in himself as once the heart stops pumping (a bullet to the heart will do that) there is no blood pumping to pool in the injured area to cause a bruise, it just settles to the lowest point in the body depending upon their position. It really is pretty convenient that not one single person saw GZ following and then chasing TM, not one single person saw who instigated the altercation, not one single person saw GZ shoot TM but several witnesses claim to have seen TM on top of GZ supposedly bashing his head into the ground. All of this in less than 3 minutes.

It really is pretty convenient that not one single person saw GZ following and then chasing TM, not one single person saw who instigated the altercation, not one single person saw GZ shoot TM but several witnesses claim to have seen TM on top of GZ supposedly bashing his head into the ground. All of this in less than 3 minutes.

All this adds up to reasonable doubt, and thats why Zimmerman will be acquitted.

Long and short of it, TM was beating GZ and GZ felt his life was endanger and he shot his attacker in self defense with his legally carried sidearm, SYG not even needed.

Guess some people need to brush up on self defense as a legal right of all US citizens. GZ has proof of the attack in the form of the injuries he received from the attack by TM, he has a very legal right to bare arms and a legal carry permit, he felt he was endanger for his life or great bodily harm and he used his legal side arm to defend himself period. Hate to break it to all that feel otherwise but that is all that is required to prove self defense in all 50 states. I don't have to have been there or even see any of it happen to know how self defense works as a legal defense, all that other stuff you all keep trying to bring up is 100% pointless, it doesn't matter. They only brought up charges because they were politically and publicly forced to, in order to quell public unrest, they know it is not a winnable case.

Donna P

Robbob you are putting your own spin on people changing their story. I have stated the same things right from the beginning. I have never called it racism. It was profiling but it wasn't racism.

Donna I wasn't talking about you, hell never heard of you until to day anyway, BUT I was talking about TM parents, their lawyers, the media (NBC, ABC), "activist" (Al & Jess), politicians (local, state and Federal "Obama") and various groups who tried from the start of the media blitz to turn this into a racist hate crime. They worked very hard at the propaganda campaign (edited tapes, old photos, wrong race) to make it seem like a white man hunted down a black child and killed him. GZ is MIXED race with Hispanic, BLACK and white heritage just like a lot of us, me and the Prez. included, Tm was not a little child like his photos implied, he was actually bigger than GZ.

As proof I'll return you to the story from the other day where GZ is suing NBC for that very reason.

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/12/06/15735766-george-zimmerman-sues-nbcuniversal-over-editing-of-emergency-call-in-trayvon-martin-shooting?lite

Concerned Citizen

Robbob - nothing in your posts makes George Zimmerman "innocent" of 2nd degree murder. There is absolutely NO proof that as you say: TM was beating GZ

CC did you by chance NOT SEE THE PIC OF GZ MOMENTS AFTER THE ATTACK

Here let me make it easy for you, it's from the other story here on MSNBC

http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/j/MSNBC/Components/Photo/_new/121204-zimmerman-scene-photo-05-1130a.photoblog600.jpg

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/12/03/15647937-defense-posts-george-zimmerman-photo-from-night-of-trayvon-martin-shooting

All this adds up to reasonable doubt, and thats why Zimmerman will be acquitted.

That might be true if there wasn't other evidence to counter the fact that no one saw the actual altercation begin. Unfortunately for George, there is a boat load of other evidence that will indicate that he was the aggressor.

You also seem to be conveniently ignorning the fact that the lack of witnesses to the beginning of the confrontation means that it is just as likely that Trayvon Martin was acting in self defense as was George Zimmerman.

With the evidence showing George to be the aggressor, the likelihood of self defense actually being a claim belonging to the victim is shifted.

NOT SEE THE PIC OF GZ MOMENTS AFTER THE ATTACK

I have seen copies that have been through a huge chain of possession, and the one being published currently on the Zimmerman website is suspect, to say the least. The copy that O'Mara included with his motion yesterday shows even more differences. In other words, photos are easily altered, and the chance of that ocurring is great when that photo has not been held under controlled conditions the way evidence is supposed to be held. It will no doubt be ruled inadmissable as a result of that.

Therefore, the only credible evidence of George's injuries are the documentation by EMS workers who examined him at the scene, cleaned him up, and did not render any further treatment, as well as the documentation from his own physician's office less than 24 hours later indicating the minor nature of his injuries.

Robbob-1667446 - sorry man give up. If you say its hot today people will say its freezing here. They dont care about the MOUNTAIN of evidence it was self-defense and just the mind boggling time issue this whole thing has. Even the fact that TM confronted GZ if you use their own witnesses. Amazing..... Walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, swims like a duck... Must be a turkey....

CC did you by chance NOT SEE THE PIC OF GZ MOMENTS AFTER THE ATTACK

Well no, Robbob /s/. OF COURSE, I saw the picture. And let me tell you what I see when I look at that picture:

1) a "Hall Of Mirrors" delusion. You know, the one that makes everything look really long and out of proportion.

2) Or maybe, a better description is "Charicature".

3) GZ's lips look like Betty Boop. If that's blood, it sure looks STAGED. So incredibly perfect in its little spots - you can definitely tell it has been digitally re-enhanced.

4) The next day his face, nose and head had MIRACULOUSLY healed! Lord it's a Miracle!!! Someone alert the Vatican. - LOL!!

That picture is about as convincing as anything else the defense has released to date.

With the evidence showing George to be the aggressor

You have no evidence of this, and given the choice of the NW guy who was on the phone to the police, or the Maimi thug starting the fight, which do you believe a Sanford jury is going to believe, expecially with the injuries Zimmerman suffered.

If those color pictures are such damning evidence, why hasn't MOM officially submitted them as evidence? I would also like to know why the picture taken at the police station about 4 hours later does not show a swollen nose? How did the murderer manage to make that swelling go away in record time???? And with no application of cold or ice packs to boot! No bruising the next day either!!!!! The murderer has amazing powers of instant healing!!!

While looking at the comparison of the altered photo vs the police station photo, notice the difference in the width at the bridge of the nose. Hhhhmmmm, now I think I know why MOM just waves the color photo around in the hearing and doesn't submit it into evidence.

If those color pictures are such damning evidence, why hasn't MOM officially submitted them as evidence?

Omara didnt submit them because they arent his evidence, they are prosecution evidence, now if you want to say the prosecution evidence is bogus, go right ahead.

Sidewalks and streets in gated communities are private property. They are maintained by the homeowner's association and not by the city or state.

And if you stopped a kid in your neighborhhood to ask what they were doing, and their response was to break your nose then get on top of you and continue hitting you, I'd support your right to self defense as well.

Reasonable people don't go around questioning kids for walking home.

And George never, by his own testimony, identified himself or his intent.

And if you stopped a kid in your neighborhhood to ask what they were doing, and their response was to break your nose then get on top of you and continue hitting you, I'd support your right to self defense as well. [ScubaSteve]

I imagine that the tone of George's questioning of Trayvon matched the same tone as heard on the NEN tape when George says, "Fu@king goons" and "These a$$h@oles.....they always get away."

When did GZ stop him and ask him what he was doing? GZ claims that he never stopped TM but that TM attacked him so how could he have asked TM what he was doing? The only indication that GZ asked him anything was from TM's gf stating that she heard TM ask GZ why he was following him and GZ demanding to know what TM was doing there.

Actually all I hear from the GZ supporters is that TM should have just stopped when being pursued to tell GZ what he was doing in the neighborhood and everything would have been fine. There is nothing about how GZ should have identified himself and explained why he was following TM. GZ lived in the neighborhood and TM was only a guest so TM was obligated to explain himself. TM should have known that the vehicle that was following him belonged to the self proclaimed neighborhood watch captain and that he was obligated to inform GZ of why he was in the neighborhood. There is no way that a vehicle that didn't belong to a resident could have been in the neighborhood. For all he knew he could have been someone intent on robbing the neighborhood. I am glad that all of you would just stop while being followed and/or chased for no apparent reason to calmly explain to the stranger that is following you what you are doing in the area. I mean really, there is no way on earth that someone who is following or chasing you for no apparent reason is intent on doing you harm.

YATC

You cant convict someone on "I imagine", either you have proof or you dont.

Yeah, Steve...like a bullet wound in the victim's chest, and no DNA on his hands or his clothing supporting your tales of being beaten to the point that you feared for your life.

Proof for the prosecution.

The proof that the prosecution has is the police reports and witness statements that claim Zimmerman was beaten, along with the photos showing his injuries, but if you think you can convince a jury that Martin never laid a hand on hims, be my guest.

He started a fist fight? How? By throwing his nose into Trayvon's fist?

Really, despite all the letters between himself and the Sanford county PD in the official evidence documents detailing his setting up appointments between the department and the neighborhood watch to train members, and him thanking them for the help at watch meetings? They just made all that up, went to pretend meetings, and he isn't even a member?

He's a feaking volunteer whose authority extends to watching and reporting, just like any other volunteer on a neighborhood watch.

He exceeded his authority, and he will be going to prison as a result.

He watched, he reported, he got assaulted, he smoked the assailant. Even if convicted to keep the animals from rioting, he will be out in a couple of years. Yea, I remember No Limit, he was a bad MoFo, didnt take @!$%# off anybody, his new address is in the graveyard, but he was a bad MoFo.

Left out the "chased after, with a 9mm loaded with hollow point bullets, from one side of the neighborhood to the other, an unarmed teen, whom he shot and killed simply because his paranoia and prejudice told him that a kid walking home in the rain was suspicious".

Need to get all the information in there, Steve.

I think the action that triggered the shooting was Trayvon punching Zimmerman in the face.

You need to get all the information in there too, DOCJT

How would George have ever been close enough to Trayvon to get punched in the face if he hadn't pursued him after he had already reported that Trayvon was running in a direction away from him? I think his exact words, recorded on the audio are, "Shyte! He's running!"

That was followed with the dispatcher's question, "Are you following him?" and George's reply, "Yes."

Followed by,

Dispatcher: We don't need you to do that.

Zimmerman: Ok

(Heavy breathing slows, then stops)

Zimmerman: He ran.

You keep leaving things out to try and make your case.

Nope. Better go listen to the dispatch call. George says, "Shyte, he's running!" prior to the dispatcher asking him if he was following.

In fact, just after George saying, "Shyte, he's running!" you can hear the alarm bell on George's car door go off as he opens it to exit the vehicle.

The heavy breathing stopping does not indicate that George did not continue to move toward Trayvon Martin and away from his vehicle. In fact, the location of the dead body shows that he most certainly continued to move toward Trayvon Martin, as does George's re-enactment.

DOCJT - your post was so correct that I had to quote it again:

Nope. Better go listen to the dispatch call. George says, "Shyte, he's running!" prior to the dispatcher asking him if he was following.

In fact, just after George saying, "Shyte, he's running!" you can hear the alarm bell on George's car door go off as he opens it to exit the vehicle.

The heavy breathing stopping does not indicate that George did not continue to move toward Trayvon Martin and away from his vehicle. In fact, the location of the dead body shows that he most certainly continued to move toward Trayvon Martin, as does George's re-enactment.

ABSOLUTELY!!!

Which part of that gives Martin the right to assault Zimmerman?

George was posing an aggressive threat toward Martin. Martin had every right to defend himself from such.

Sorry, Steve, but those self defense laws run both ways.

DOCJT - In public?? Are you nuts you cant hit someone because you THINK they might hurt you. Are you insane? Following in PUBLIC is not a reason to assault someone. Do you know ANYTHING about self-defense laws???

and again going to the street like he said is perfectly legal DOCJT. Your trying to make a point where there is none to be made and was explained day 2.

Whoa - hold on there, Dan; You said in post #14.13

Are you nuts you cant hit someone because you THINK they might hurt you.

According to all you Zimmies, you can actually shoot someone if you THINK they might hurt you. We (as in those that want Justice for Trayvon) have heard over and over again how GZ had the right to use Lethal Force against a punch (if indeed that is what happened - no evidence to prove this). I have seen the FL SYG and Self-Defense laws until I'm blue in the face. So - the way I understand it from all you Zimmies is that you can use self-defense if you have a reasonable belief the other person MEANS you harm. So which is it? Or do you just believe that the Law is okay for GZ and not for Trayvon? Like DOCJT said,

but those self defense laws run both ways.

That would be a big YEP!!

Are you nuts you cant hit someone because you THINK they might hurt you

And do you have anything what so ever to show that anything resembling this is what occurred in this situation?

You can't shoot someone for punching you in the nose, either. And even O'Mara has stated that is what happened in this case.

and again going to the street like he said is perfectly legal DOCJT.

I guess you missed all of George's admissions that he was following Trayvon Martin. George Zimmerman was not a cop, and therefore, carried no authority to put anyone under surveillance.

George was posing an aggressive threat toward Martin. Martin had every right to defend himself from such.

And Zimmerman had every right to defend himself from the beating he was getting from Martin.

Zimmerman had every right to watch a suspicious person in his gated community.

doc

That was followed with the dispatcher's question, "Are you following him?"

And you conveniently left out the part where the dispatcher asks "which way is he running", and thats when GZ gets out of the car.

Steve,

the dispatcher asks "which way is he running", and thats when GZ gets out of the car.

Why? Why did he get out of the car? He answered the question, he told the dispatcher "towards the back"...

There is no way to conclude (for a reasonable person) that the dispatcher was telling GZ to follow, and keep Trayvon in his sight...no way.

And if GZ had actually stopped following, when he was told to, he would have been back in his car, waiting for the police.

There is no way to conclude (for a reasonable person) that the dispatcher was telling GZ to follow, and keep Trayvon in his sight...no way.

I guess we will see what the jury thinks.

Zimmerman never said he confronted Trayvon. He said he followed Trayvon for about 30 seconds until Trayvon outran him.

Zimmerman has always claimed that Trayvon circled back and attacked him as he was returning to his truck,.

Scuba.......In the 3rd audio tape of the February 29 interview, Serino and Singleton were able to get proof that George never made it on the T to Retreat View Circle to obtain an address. Therefore, George was never returning on the T back from Retreat View Circle.

I can post all the proof from that interview it you wish.

LOL, Zimmerman claims a hell of a lot that isn't true according to the evidence.

Really? What do you expect GZ to say? I was following this kid in my vehicle because he looked suspicious and he noticed I was following him and he started running away so I got out of my vehicle and chased him. I lost sight of him but I knew that he had to be hiding so I continued to search for him while waiting for the police who I called and when I found him I attempted to detain him for the police and in attempting to get away from me he punched me in the nose and I hit the ground and when I was on the ground he continued to hit me and he had me pinned down so I couldn't hit him back so I had to pull my gun to defend myself and I shot him. It was all in self defense so I am not responsible for any of my actions. You do know that he could have been one of the kids that have been robbing the neighborhood and it is my job to protect the neighborhood from those criminals.

Of course he is going to say that he was attacked while walking back to his vehicle. There is no one to refute his story. Just like TM had him pinned down and he couldn't defend himself with his own hands but he was able to get his gun out and shoot TM. Of course his story has no holes in it. It is rock solid based on the evidence. If you believe that I have a bridge to sell you in NYC

Actually it was George and his family that insisted that his Hispanic ethnicity was being overlooked, and that is why the media began reporting it.

Better blame George, et al for bringing the Hispanic label into it.

I think the real reason that he is in hiding is so that he won't run into reporters who would ask him questions that he would be tempted to answer. And, of course, we all know what happens when George opens his mouth.

Got that one right. He's in hiding because O'Mara wants him muzzled.

Oh, I don't think that's why he's hiding. Running from reporters, hah......he's definitely not running from reporters.

The only reporter/commentator that George allowed to be interviewed by was Sean Hannity who had "scripted questions" and who had previously expressed his support of George.

Not when it is a condition of the bond. Defendent is responsible. He has a choice. He can refuse to pay the expense, and go back to jail.

It must be cheaper to use a monitor than keep someone in jail so the state should pass the savings on to the defendant or at least pay the difference. . Why punish innocent people before a trial ? There are too many cottage industries attached to the criminal system to suck the blood of innocent people caught in its web.

Anything in the interest of public safety is the same as saying Ends justify the means.

Well, George is being punished because he deceived the court regarding his finances and a 2nd passport.

What cottage industry? George is under control of the Adult Parole/Probation authority in regard to his monitoring. That's a state agency.

@DOCJT

I will look into what you say but in all fairness think the list of Fees are endless and the people that actually do the monitoring an service for the tracking devices are private companies under contract.

The gentleman responsible for George's monitoring testified at the hearing. He is a Probation Officer with the state of Florida Adult Parole/Probation dept.; Seminole Co. office. Any fees for such are paid to the state dept. of corrections.

Do you have any proof that he disregarded the police instructions? If you listen to Zimmerman's 911 call, it certainly sounds like he stopped following Trayvon when he was told to.

And how badly do you think Zimmerman should have let Trayvon beat him until he protected himself?

George should have been back to the truck in the ample time he had after he said "okay" to the police dispatcher.

This video proves this fact by using the timing of George's NEN call:

Click> A Walk With Marinade Dave, The Conclusion

Wow......Zimmerman is no small man. If he did not feel up to the job he shouldn't have taken it. If he really is a watchmen for the neighborhood. I doubt a person who is afraid of being beat up by a kid is going to volunteer. Twist it any way you want, but he should not have taken the gun with him to ask a teen questions and if he felt vulnerable because the teen was too big he should have stayed in his car. And isn't it funny that now there isn't even a mark on Z however Trayvon........

YAHTC,

Trayvon should have been back at his house in the ample time after Zimmerman said "Okay" to the police dispatcher.

Mouse,

It looks like taking the gun was the right choice. If Zimmerman hadn't been armed, Trayvon probably would have beaten him to death.

The dispatcher didn't tell Trayvon to go home. He told George to stop following.

That is George's version of events, Scuba.

All of the witnesses that saw the struggle simply said that the two were "wrestling". None of them mentioned any pounding or hitting.

Except the one who said Trayvon was raining down punches MMA style...

And we know there was at least some pounding going on, unless Zimmerman's nose spontaneously broke itself?

Except the one who said Trayvon was raining down punches MMA style...[Scuba]

That witness (#6) retracted his statement about the MMA hitting, and simply said they were wrestling.

By the way, George Zimmerman had rage issues and once was required by a court to take an anger management course.

Except the one who said Trayvon was raining down punches MMA style...

Missed the retraction, huh?

And we know there was at least some pounding going on, unless Zimmerman's nose spontaneously broke itself?

You have just offered a self defeating argument. No medical evidence of a broken nose.

No medical evidence of a broken nose.

Do you really think its going to make any difference to the jury whether it was technically broken or not, that one picture is worth a thousand words.

Yes, because the jury is instructed to make a finding based on fact, and the fact is, there is no evidence of a broken nose.

Sorry about your luck on that one.

What kind of luck do you think youre going to have with that jury believing Martin didnt beat Zimmerman?

Why did GZ's firearm have GZ's blood on it?

A compact 9MM which from reviews says it's uncomfortable to shoot for target practice.

The next question is.....did GZ have a one...or 2 handed grip in his weapon?

A 2 handed grip would indicate that GZ had BOTH HANDS free to defend himself.

A one handed grip on a firearm with that kind of recoil?.......A very good chance that GZ got wacked in the nose by his own weapon when he pulled the trigger....hence GZ's blood on the slide and the hammer.

Does anyone think that GZ's pride would let him admit he got his nose busted by the recoil of his own? firearm?

Well, that's not saying you want to hang Zimmerman from a tree, as I predicted would be said, but I'll take the subtext of wishing for his death as being equal!

All my predictions at the top of the comments with the exception of the clueless Spammer realized, and much faster than I thought! Thanks!

All my predictions at the top of the comments with the exception of the clueless Spammer realized, and much faster than I thought! Thanks!

What are you talking about? "You All Have Thoughtful Comments" has been spamming their normal message this whole time.

It is only spam in Zimmerland.

Funny how the Zimmerman's call the publicly available information in this case that points to the fallacies in their logic and the contradictions in Zimmerman's statements "spam". LOL.

yeah i guess so but i dont see any fallacies. Walking to the street and back takes about 2 minutes. Wow exactly when Treyvon decided to jump him? You COMPLETLY disregard the fact Trayvon went NOWHERE for 2 minutes is what I find mind boggling.

Why would Trayvon have been obligated to go anywhere other than where he was? He had every legal right to be there. If he chose to stop, believing he had lost the guy who was following him through the neighborhood, and continue his conversation on the phone, there was absolutely nothing what so ever wrong in that.

And keep in mind, when Trayvon began running in a direction away from George Zimmerman, he had seen George follow him by vehicle only, and George was still in his car. Trayvon had no way of knowing that Zimmerman had gotten out of his vehicle to chase him on foot. The area he was in was not accessable by vehicle. Therefore, it was perfectly reasonable for him to assume that he was no longer being followed.

Therefore, it was perfectly reasonable for him to assume that he was no longer being followed.

Exactly DOCJT!