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Subscribe to RSSThree teens charged in the fatal shooting of a western Pennsylvania woman had targeted her, police say, after she told them to “get a job” when they tried to bum a cigarette from her boyfriend.
Beaver Falls police have charged two 14-year-olds and one 13-year-old with criminal homicide and other charges in Saturday’s shooting of Kayla Peterson, 22. She was shot at about 3:30 p.m. that day and died at a Pittsburgh hospital two hours later.
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The attorney of one of the teens said he was just “in the wrong place at the wrong time.” That teen was identified as the gunman by police and Peterson’s boyfriend.
Beaver Falls Police Chief Charles Jones says officers are still searching for the other two teen suspects.
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Cigarette junkies looking for a fix. Why are cigs still legal?
Because (1) federal and state governments need the tax revenue, and (2) a law making them illegal would be unenforceable ....... in that order.
That sounds like a good reason to legalize pot, right denver bill?
Some kids use a gun to kill someone and you're asking why cigarettes are still legal? The irony.
Do these three punks have any responsible parent?
The little atheist needed some thing in their miserable lives ,besides what they were getting from their know it all parents. Now , it is too late!
Because almost all states borrowed (billions of dollars) against what they will get from tobaco industry for the next 10 years. If tobaco industry disappears, these states will have to come up with those money from somewhere. STATES ALREADY SPENT THOSE MONEY.
Yep.
I hate lawyers.. his client was in the wrong place at the wrong time ! I'm sick and tired of punk ass kids running around like thugs..all 3 teens and there stupid ass parents should all be charged and which parent didn't lock up his gun should go to prison..
13 yr robs shoe store in denver yesterday and now the single mother and her other 3 kids are getting evicted from there apartment..becuase she signed a rental agreement that forbids residents from living there if they commit crimes and what does the mother say in all this "her sons shoes were wore out" Not that there was anything wrong with stealing. mother of the year right here.
We need to pass laws that if your 15 yr old and under commits a crime the parents go to jail and the kid to juvenile hall for 30 days each and no more expunging records if the kids have more than 1 arrest..
If any of you who read this had to spend 30 days in jail because of your child, would you get there ass under control after that ?
The Obama youth.
She was right. The SHOULD get a job.
How they'll all have a job, washing inmates' underwear.
@ Desertbro,Why is alcohol still legal? remember cigs don't kill you, life does..
Mike-2598213
I would agree with your solution except for the fact that you can't discipline your kid or you end up in jail! Sounds like a catch 22! I am all for bringing the woodshed back into society! It teaches respect!
Oh yes, because Obama was President during this 13 year old's formative years when he was supposed to be learning right and wrong? More like your chance to toss in some not so subtle racism.
I smoke and I've never entertained the thought of killing anyone for a smoke - smoking is a nasty dirty habit - I don't endorse it for anyone but it is legal and I do pay the price and that's my choice but when a person especially a kid murders for a smoke the problem goes beyond the smoking and I have to say - where are the parents - I am a 62 year old grandmother with a 38 year old daughter and a 12 year old granddaughter and I would whip their collective a**** if either of them even went there and my daughter would agree and do the same. I however realize that some kids are not able to be reached with reason, that's when you use tough love and turn it over to professionals for help.
Gee, how's that Freedom of speech BS working out, NOTHING is free open your mouth to the wrong person can cost you your life she could have been polite, this is a lesson learned a little to late. I'm sure she could have said something else, that would not have put her life at risk.
gee, cigs ARE illegal for kids this age so they can't just go buy their own, this lady might still be alive if it was legal for anyone to buy them. the kids are obviously nuts, but think of how many adults would be just as crazy if cigs were completely illegal. I take it you are ready to volunteer to enforce the ban.
Arthur 66, Blaming the President for the actions of some 13 year olds that he did not raise is as lame a blaming the GOP for the woman saying "get a job" to them.
So, Sam, like so many others losers, you're going to blame the victim???! OMG! THIS is exactly what's wrong with people today!
I'm guessing she worked for Cash America, or a similar cash-loan, shady enterprise.
Would you accept a few punctuation marks? Please, allow me: ,,, ;;; ... () () () - - - - ???
I find it strange that MSN is allowing us to comment on three little gangbangers to be who killed a woman. Yet on another page a land mark court ruling has told the state of Illinois to shut up and give it's law abiding citizens the right to have concealed carry. IT'S ABOUT TIME! I hope governor Quinn is enjoying his dinner tonight. He vetoed and gave a song and dance and now the courts have said enough is enough. Praise God that we are a country that believes in the rule of law. Tiny wanna be dictators cannot stand up to the courts and survive. Hey Quinn, I'm glad the appellate court was happy to tell you to eat pile of $hit. This is the American system in full swing. One man cannot demand the whole state to follow his misguided politically motivated rules. The people of the State of Illinois have spoken and the Courts of the land have concurred. Thank you appellate court. Good job.
Nothing more than 3 thugs regardless of age, they will get time and be out to do it again, no life without parole because of their ages. Just like the punks here in Washington who killed street performer and got light sentences, back in the court system several times since. Having run ins with the law hasn't slowed them down one bit.
The teens have criminal pasts, according to The Times:
You would think parents would check their kids facebook pages, if these thugs parents had then they may have seen the pics of their kids with guns and drugs. (see above FB Pic)
In this world today as you see a person gets killed for a cigarette, glad I'm old and not going to see how bad it gets in 20 years or so.
Yep Mike, it's like Roman times, but without all the gladatorial killing for the masses, while they eat bread in the stands of the huge arena.
20 YEARS FROM NOW...can i have a light...cool lighter you got...looks like a gun...IT IS...BANG...
Ban handguns.
Yeah, it was the guns fault. Typical liberal idiot comment.
Someone is deadly wrong with out education system. So many comments and down and not one of you clowns can read between the lines.
No one is blaming the victim here. But it is true that while free speech is guaranteed by the Constitution, it does not guarantee you protection from the retaliation a thoughtless or hateful remark can bring down on your head.
We are seeing more and more people who are no longer quietly walking away or buckling under to the bullying tactics of socially abusive "freedom of speech."
It could just as easily have gone the other way, and the teens could have aggressively approached someone who had a gun and who objected to their attitude.
Something is wrong in this country, and I firmly believe it is in the food supply that is affecting the brain synapses of certain individuals.
screminmimi....."Something is wrong in this country, and I firmly believe it is
in the food supply"the idea someone earned theirs and I want it" that is affecting the brain synapses of certain individuals."There, that sounds more like it.
Yep, all you have to do is go downtown NYC and ask those folks in the Social Welfare line if they have considered getting a job.
My sincerest condolences to the families of all involved.
That being said, I do believe many in this world are tired of the snarky remarks from the younger generation, and obviously, those of the same generation are tired of it too - but they will pay the ultimate price for such an extreme retort - shoot someone because a snarky retort is pretty extreme, and she paid the ultimate price for making the remark. Seems too many in this world are so far gone with anger they have gone off the deep end!
"In the wrong place at the wrong time" says the attorney. Where is the right place at the right time for a 13-14 year old with a hand gun??
In no way am I justifiying this but this is an example of why it's best not to be snarky to strangers. You never know when your going to flip 'tude to someone that itsn't all there. They probably decided that she disrespected them. I usually just say "I don't smoke sorry" to people and be nice about it. I have found that polite goes a lot further.
And why do conservatives feel the need denigrate those they don't agree with. Do you think by insulting liberals and calling them names that they are going to respect and listen to what you have to say? Do you even get the irony that this woman is dead because she felt it was OK to do the same? If she had just said no with a little decency there is a very good chance she would still be alive. These kids didn't kill her just because she her boyfriend didn't give them a cigarette. They killed her because she chose to say no in a mean manner and they most likley felt disresepcted. Once again I am not justifying what happened to her or blaming her but she did have a part in how it went down and she could have chosen to not say what she did, the way she did. And this liberal isn't saying ban guns because the truth is these kids could have easily killed her with knives or crowbars. If you want someone dead it can happen with your bare hands if you really want to do it bad enough.
I may not agree with you but I don't have to smear your character because we don't agree. I have to wonder how many of the people that feel the need to calll liberals names consider themselves Christian? Just because you go to church every week and that Jesus died for your sins doesn't mean that you can act as crappy as you want to people you don't like or agree with and that it will make you a good person no matter what. If you truly believe in God and Christ someday you will stand in judgement for how you lived and acted in you life. When you disparage the poor and those you don't like or agree with do you really believe that Jesus is going to be waiting for you with open arms and a big smile in the afterlife? I know I'm not perfect and fail in ways of Christ often but I recognize it and I want to be better than I am. It's a daily struggle but I certainly know that just calling myself something is not always the same as living it. I do the best I can and hope against hope that it will be enough on my day of judgement and I'm in fear that it never will be and I will never be so arrogant to think that I'm good enough because I dropped a few bucks in the collection plate last week. I can call myself a Martian all day long but it doesn't make it so.
"Why are cigs still legal?" Probably for the same reason pot was just made legal. Hey, buddy. Got a joint?
Now, jobs. Well, that's another story.
onegoldfish
I agree, wrong place at the wrong time would be the victim. Hold the little pricks accountable for their actions.
Makemyday, well it was after all her comment that got the response, so who's really to blame, she could have said nothing and she would still be alive, the problem today is people think they can just say anything because of their ignorance so her choice was confrontation so yes it was her fault, life is about choices and I'm not about to close my eyes to facts that caused this thing to happen, she had choices and she made the wrong one.
retcoastguard needs a muzzle put on his miserable little know it all arse.
Sam627556 - So you want to blame the victim for her choice but say nothing of these punks choice to shoot and kill her for a cig. How ignorant are people getting today. No way should she have died over her comment and if these punks were upset as some have said at what they thought was being disrespected that is total BS too. The responsibility falls with these punks who need to be taken off the streets for a long time.
I'm positive this will not be on Racheal Maddow, Chris Mathews, The Idiot Lawerence O"Donnell, The Ed Show, WHY? You see when Democrats ruin races like the Blacks, and the Latinos are next, they hold no responsibility. City after city, child after child ruined by the welfare state, and this is what you get. Wake up people, killed for saying no! Unfuc&ing believable! before all you liberal idiots say anything, did this happen when blacks voted for Eisenhower in the 50's? Ever since they were duped by the Great Society it's been downhill thanks Democrats! Murder rate up, fatherless homes up, incarceration rate up, poverty up, marriage down, dependency up, unemployment up, again thanks Democrats!
Has to be more said than just get a job Panhandlers all are used to that line!
Sam627556 You are a moron. This is EXACTLY why the 2nd amendment was created. The only reason these punks shot this woman is that they KNEW they weren't armed. Give people back their 2nd amendment rights and this stops now. I guess this is going to get repeated over and over till someone like them get lynched, then they will get the message.
Some people bing up cigarettes or making pot legal???? How about 3 punks ruthlessly killed a woman and what are we going to do with all these kids without souls growing up.
honestly patriotjane, lock these little thugs up and don't let them out.
Ban handguns? Nah....ban punks.
If the information Robbob posted from The Times is correct, then these little punks have been getting into trouble since the age of 9! Seems to me that they are trying their darnest to get into a gang. I hope the Judge in this case throws the book as far as he can (since they are still considered juveniles, even though they have already started down the wrong road), although I doubt it.
Ban takenaka.
Screeminmimi:
I must agree with you, in part. I agree with your observation that an unnecessarily thoughtless or hateful response can bring one troubles that one had not anticipated. That is certainly what happened in this instance. The general lesson here is: don't mess with strangers.
Beyond that, imagine 13- and 14-year-old boys carrying guns! That's a recipe for disaster in ANY case!
What...only one gun murder story per day..and it's Christmas??!! C'mon Murica, we can do better, let's aim for five! After all, the holidays are getting close, wouldn't want to have that "Christmas Spirit" now would we. I don't have time to post on THIS gun murder story...I've got to go read about the three people just shot in Oregon today! Hell...I've already forgotten about the NFL player last week, AND the 4 shot dead in Northridge just days ago.
Hasta Pasta!
Where is president Obama? "If I had sons they would be just like this!". These little $mitbags are three years YOUNGER than that poor little defenseless "baby Crayon" that Zimmerman had to put down in Florida. Little thugletts should be given the electric chair, and make every school in the USA show it live! And for all of you bleeding hearts out there that want to say they are just kids, we can have Barnney the Dinosaur or one of the Teletubbies throw the switch!
Welcome to the United States of Obamaca. The results of years and years of promoting the entitlement mentality. I wouldn't be surprised if the three murderers don't use the self defense argument to defend themselves in court. "Your honor, she told us all to get jobs. That's hate speech!"
Some Lame Name Here,
If they had raped her would you have blamed her for wearing a skirt? I swear, libs seem to love blaming the victim if it fits their narrow views of the world. You're pathetic man. We dont call you names just to do it. We see moronic stuff being spewed from you guys like your post.
Because teenagers didn't steal, lie, assault or kill before 2009....Your post is so astute to point out that this is all due to the current President....
The woman wasn't shot because she said "get a job". That's a pathetic excuse that doesn't fly with me. The shooter let her have it just because he could. Just because he wanted to look bada$$ to his friends. She could have just as well been very polite, offered a cigarette (if she had one) or offered a little money and been killed anyway.
People give up their purses and wallets to muggers often, only to be be killed anyway.
I don't care what's happened to that kid, it's no excuse to murder someone for fun. For those of you who want the parents to do time -- obviously a rebellious teen with a gun isn't going to care what his parents think. He's probably threatened to kill them. The kid should receive a life sentence, without parole -- end of story. Long sentences for his friends too.
I agree with Granny. A similar incident occured to me when I returned to college about 4 years ago. I was studying outside a Starbucks near UCLA and smoking a cigarette. A gentleman approached me and asked me for a cigarette. Normally I have no problem with that, since I know what it's like to want a cigarette but not have any. However, at the time I had only one cigarette left and planned to study for a while, so I apologized and said I had only one left and wanted to save it. He walked away and I thought it was all over. About 15 minutes later the guy came back, snuck up behind me, and just grabbed my cigarette box and took the last cigarette without asking. I stood up and repeated what I had said earlier, then this guy puts a hand around my neck and whispers "I could snap your neck and kill you right now." Now, this guy was at least twice my size in weight and taller than me, so I wasn't about to get into a physical scuffle with him but was able to push him away and get some distance bewteen us, but he lunged at me and was able to punch me in the face. The Starbucks was crowded but no one tried to help me, not even the employees...they all just watched...didn't even bother calling the police...the only person who tried to help was a homeless man pushing a shopping cart who saw what was happening, and alerted some firemen were around the corner for an unrelated reason. Unfortunatley, after the police arrived and took a report, arrested the guy (who tried to run away), took pictures of my face etc etc, the homeless man disappeared, to whom I may have possibly owed my life. Westwood Village is normally a safe place, so of course this incident was totally unexpected. My point is that even politeness is not a guarantee...some people just do not belong with the general population, and may need some help. This gentleman, and the teens involved in the shooting, committed these actions just because they could, or wanted to.
Having a gun doesn't make you a man. Not enough people teach their kids that.
I hope when they are read their respective sentences that someone representing the family of the victim lets them know that they are spending time jail because they were too stupid and too pu$$y to think of a good comeback.
They aren't even hard enough to claim they are thugs. They acted like little b!tche$ on the streeet, and now they will be somebody's b!tch in the slammer!
For all saying she should have been more polite,the same thing could have happened any way.
Wish it had been me I carry and garrantee the shooter would not have caused any more trouble.
@Mr. Burns. It's really too bad that you filled with so much hate and meaness. You make my point. I'll hope for you also.
While I don't condone smoking or the shooting, tell a 13 year old to "Get a job". Sounds a bit idiotic. She think she was in Chine? Maybe "smoking is bad for you" would have been a better alternative.
I hope for the murderer and its accomplices that their lawyer finds a better excuse! Are you seriously trying to blame the victim here? I agree that "get a job" was off topic but 1) what were 13 and 14yo kids doing smoking? 2) What were they doing on the street with a gun? Seems to me they were just looking for trouble. Three more examples of responsible parenting I guess.
To her credit, they may have looked older, especially considering the fact they had cigarettes, so she may have thought they were older than 13 and 14.
R. Scalzo - Are you kidding me? Since when is it ok to shoot someone because you don't like what they said. It doesn't matter what she said. It's what the two teens did.
The teen was "In the wrong place at the wrong time"? Really? Sometimes, I think I was born in the wrong time in the wrong place, but I don't run out and shoot someone because of it.
Idiots.
This is what happens when the government ties the hands of the parents and doesnt allow them to discipline their children. The kids get all the power and they run amuck. Now days they have no respect for their parents anymore. The kids of today think they are owed everything and they walk all over their parents because they know if they get a whipping they only have to call CPS and get their parents arrested. The parents are damned if they do and damned if they dont. I say give the parents back their right to raise their kid (without flagerant abuse) and these kids may learn the purpose of discipline and its deterants. "Time outs" are BS if you ask me. Nothing wrong with a good paddling on the butt to get your point across and the consequences for acting like a prat. The govenrment needs to get out of our personal lives...though I dont condone abusing kids either..there is a difference. They also need to stop glamerizing being a hoe or a thug and shooting people making you cool...thats pure BS. There needs to be alittle more enforcement of age requirements for movies. Perhaps there wouldnt be so many "kill happy" kids out there...this isnt a video game and these people who die arent gonna be resurrected ..like in the games.
oh BS on you elaine-2138913....u don't need to beat ur kids to discipline them and instill responsibility.....sheesh....
There is a big difference between a beating and a good old fashioned butt-whipping. I had a couple growing up, and a couple was all it took.
well queenie I see your name fits. I bet your very young..though not all young people are oblivious to reality. Lets see how long it is before your kids are tap dancing all over you. I didnt say go overboard with beating your child (perhaps you need to re-read my post). If "time-outs" seem to work for you then your an exception. They may work for alittle while while your child is small but once they figure out the ways of the "REAL" world they catch on quick. It only took one or 2 good whippings on my butt to figure it out...I deserved them too.
Seriously elaine, where did you get that government keeps parents from using discipline measures? You've got to get your fantasies about big bad government out of your head.
Yeah, telling them that smoking is bad certainly would not have gotten her killed. Are you kidding? These kids wanted to kill somebody. What she said had nothing to do with it.
It doesn't matter how old they were. Period. Gangs recruite kids at a very young age. It doesn't take long to turn them into mad dogs. They were probably from a broken home. If they were lucky their mammas told them who there dads were. If she knew. Maybe she lied. Maybe she was to busy doing the mailman to worry about the 4 kids waiting for the food stamps to get there. Who cares. It doesn't matter what the woman said. Period. Murder is murder. This was first degree murder and the death penalty is required. Period. If they let these little slime bags slide on this they will be back in the news soon enough. Or maybe they will learn a good lesson. They will just work harder not to get caught.
Elaine - Seriously, hitting, beating, slapping and spanking is ALL the same and it doesn't work! It's nothing but a LAZY excuse to SUPPOSEDLY discipline your child(ren)! I'm a SINGLE mom who raised two sons to adulthood WITHOUT laying a hand on them - except to hug! My youngest son has never been in a physical fight in his life! Is he a whimp?! He is MORE of a man than any of your whipped, insensitive, bully kids! At this very moment I'm listening to him debate one of his buddies and totally standing his ground without being a jerk about it. He has his beliefs and political views - totally different from mine - and thinks totally for himself. He knows when to apologize and when to walk away. My older son is a disabled Marine from combat in Iraq and from Day One has always respected others and their opinions.
Too many kids who have been raised with "spanking" are bullies! It's a PROVEN fact kids who are spanked show more aggression and more prone to hit and use physical means against their peers. Their parents can't control them - except by slapping which doesn't teach them ANYTHING except to hit others to make your point. Next time you 'spank' your kid, ask him an hour later why you did so and SEE for yourself if he knows EXACTLY why! These kids who go about stealing and killing have received NO discipline - except knocked around a few times - and never taught ANY respect. Do yourselves a favor and educate yourself before having kids in the proper way to discipline and raise your kids WITHOUT the violence!
Makemyday2day,
Well good for you that your two were so so good. Try a bunch- say 5 or more. Elaine was simply saying a good whack on the butt when things are serious would do the trick- NOT every day for every infraction! Good grief none of us turned into child beaters! I'd love to see the study from which you are spewing statistics also.
makemyday2day - I remember spanking my son once, and he just laughed at me! Because he was a little hyper, I made him sit in time outs. That was the worst punishment I could have given him. He's over 30, now, and is a fine, handsome, responsible kid - yes, I still call him a kid. He works full-time, has a girlfriend who's a nurse and has never gotten in trouble because my husband and I guided him that way. No late night parties in the woods - even though all his friends went to them (we lived in the country). We knew where he was 24/7 and he knew he could always come to us with any problems or questions. We were strict when it counted and he knew we were always there for him.
The important thing is to guide your child in the way you want him to go and let him know you're there to help him. This means that you have to behave like a parent, not like a friend. I have relatives who were "guided" by belts and switches, but it usually made them worse, not better and they hated their parents for it.. There are better ways to punish your kids without resorting to violent means. Your kids will respect you for it and not be afraid of you.
Scalzo.............................LOL, you are definitely kidding, right?
Makemyday, I was raised in a family where my parents did spank us if we were way over the line and for more serious infractions. My siblings and I turned out fine and were not bullies at all. We were well-disciplined and respectful children. I agree, being abusive will cause children to become bullies, not spanking them when they are absolutely out of control and as a last resort.
My parents gave us a good whack once in a while if we did something that deserved it. We got the point fast and didn't do it again! Neither of my brothers or myself grew up to be bullies. If all my parents would have done is put us on a time out or take away the Atari for a while we would have laughed at them. Kids are out of control, parents hands are tied. I'm sorry but I agree. We need to take a step back and look at what worked. Kids hold CPS over their parents heads all the time.
Our school principal had a collection of paddles in his office. When a student was sent there for a BIG infraction of school rules, he/she was made to pick the paddle they wanted to get smacked with. Of course the parents had to sign a permission slip at the beginning of the year allowing this. You didn't see kids disrespecting teachers then. They feared the consequences. It actually made us think before we acted. You see so many people complaining about our education system. Well, how are teachers supposed to do their jobs when they can't keep order in the classrooms because of disrespectful students who know they can't be touched and can get away with anything? There are no longer any consequences for their actions! How are parents supposed to control their children when they can't do anything more than a worthless time out?
My mother ran a daycare for 30 years. The state did yearly inspections and gave her any changed rules. one of the rules one year was that you were not allowed to tell a child "NO" for any reason. You were to simply try to explain to them why they couldn't have their own way and try to calm them down with reasoning. Like a 3 year old throwing a temper tantrum can be reasoned with. The word "NO" is apparently degrading. Give me a break. And NO she never smacked anyone's child besides her own, and only when we deserved it. Looking back, we really did deserve it.
I have 3 kids of my own. And they have gotten the occasional whack on the rear ONLY when they were out of control. They are wonderful, well behaved and respectful kids. Their teachers tell me at conference time how they have exceptional manners and are always well behaved. So don't feed me that garbage about how spanking makes kids aggressive. Sorry but it does the opposite. They learn that actions have consequences.
Apparently the kids in this news story never learned that lesson. Bet they think all they're going to get is a 20 minute time out and loss of their cell phones for a week. Too bad they've ruined the lives of the victim, the victims family and their own lives to learn that lesson.
Discipline is a matter of degree. This is a very sad story and should never have happened. Our society is breaking down. I once saw kids with a new puppy and said "take care of that puppy, he is your best friend". They said they would and we all went on our way. What has happened to us?
Lawyer needs to stop making excuses and parents need to pay attention to what their kids are doing. Ask me again why I never had children. I never wanted the responsibility since it is lifelong duty. I worried about being a good parent. Maybe people need to think more before having children and when "kids" committ these henious crimes, they need to be gotten out of the public mileu. How about this: Join a gang, commit a violent crime: Work at hard labor for the rest of your natural life building roads, cleaning up trash, working at an oil spill site or clearing land mines. Let them do the work too dangerous for regular employees and save tax dollars at the same time. Pay them just enought to rent a supervised room and buy meals from a cafeteria. Thats it. No TV, no weight rooms, no libraries. Work, eat, sleep. Next stop: cemetary.
When I was a kid, spanking is the only discipline that worked. I wore my mom out! Today, as I approach 60, I look back on a life well lived, and into a good future. I served my country, got a college education, served my country some more, and am now self-employed. Without the switch, I might have gone bad, but mom did what she needed to do, and I turned out pretty good. But I suspect that if those kids had approached me, one or more of the kids might have died, because I do carry a concealed handgun, and I do know how to use it - my government service was all spent armed, and often well armed, and I can get a gun into action pretty quick, because I had to learn how.
... when Velasquez, eh... Nice way to end a sentence.
Ditto! Don't they have editorial staff at MSNBC?"
@beachgirl - No, they just copy-and-paste (and not very well, it seems).
The funny thing is, that's the only place "Valasquez" is used in the entire article. It doesn't say who he is, or give a first name. I thought they weren't allowed to name minors if criminal cases like this?
Yep one generation of nit wits breeding for the next generation.
When will the intellectual snobs learn that these articles get revised - leaving their comment to look foolish?
Have any of the posters seen how the sports fans of this State act? The culture you live in is not the same across the entire country. I would agree that a trip to the woodshed is a good idea for these kids - if I thought that actually worked - which it doesn't.
Some people like a good ass whooping - just look at all the fight videos on You Tube. Most likely these kids grew up getting their ass whooped, instead of their parents actually sitting them down and teaching them reason.
I had to stop a friend from intervening when he saw some young adults (about 19yo) being destructive, in Seattle. My friend had spent several years in a peaceful culture working on Mt. Hood, I had to inform him that young adults at the time were most likely packing some kind of weapons. It is better to walk away and say nothing, than end up a dead hero. Unless someone is getting hurt - just walk away.
The "editing" on this article is a joke. Best to read the original article to get the facts.
As for what happened, what a tragedy on every front. A 22 yr. old woman is dead and 3 kids are charged with murder. What the heck kind of parents do these kids have? What has happened to our society to breed such disrespect for others and the expectation that you should always get what you want?
People - if you do not have the time or desire to raise children correctly - THEN DO NOT HAVE THEM.
I guess my reading comprehension is bad. The shooter is her boyfriend and he is 14 and she is 22??? He shot her because she told a 14 and 13 year old to get a job after they asked him for a cigarette???
Condolences to the Family and Friends of Kayla Peterson.
Too bad she will not get justice, as the Court of Public Opinion (see posts above and below) are Demonizing Her already.
Founding Fathers - "Democracies are Mob Rule".
As also seen with the Trayvon Martin and George Zimmerman Case as George Zimmerman already declared Murder even before any indepth investigations and not "Suspected" or Alledged" Murder and even President Obama endorsing Guilty Until Proven Innocent with, "If I had a son, he would look like' Trayvon Martin" even before any Federal Investigations; yet in the Case of the Director of the CIA Petraeus, he states that he did not want any of his "undue influence" by being informed by the FBI prior to the FBI Investigations (the President is the boss of the Director of the FBI, so even if he does not want to know he will be Briefed especially pertaining to those matters pertaining to investigations of his Presidential Appointees.).
Of course the Court of Public Opinion never considers the Facts (same area as Trayvon Martin, why they have Guarded Gated Communities in the First Place (people placing themselves in their own prisons, while the criminals outside rule until there is nothing else to take, then they see the sheep in the pens (Gated Communities).):
Britons shot in Florida killed as part of 'gang initiation'
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/8459813/Britons-shot-in-Florida-killed-as-part-of-gang-initiation.html
By the way most Judges are Political Appointees so that the Court of Public Opinion does matter on the outcome (Judges, Prosecutors, etc.). The term, "Justice For Sale".
All of you Academic Idealistic No Real World Experienced NEED TO WAKE THE F**K UP.
Naive. Today's world you have more children so that you get increases in Public Assistance. And you keep doing that as your children get older so that you can collect on the new children. Haven't you ever heard of Gaming the System, Sticking it to the Man (Establishment), etc..
Who do you think is paying the Public Assistance for these children:
Judge's unusual order to man with nine kids: Stop procreating
http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/12/05/15700788-judges-unusual-order-to-man-with-nine-kids-stop-procreating?lite
The majority have spoken (voted) for taking by violence or legalized theft (Government Taxes) from those that made successful individual choices and keep everything for themselves (under their guise of "the poor" (themselves first aka individual greed)).
Yep, "Level The Playing Field" by bringing everyone down to the lowest common denominator. Quicker visable Political results; than attempting the harder bringing everyone UP.
Yep, the victim is white and the shooters are black. Yet it's not a hate crime because they approached her for a cigarette and she told them to get a job, and they didn't shout "you owe us the cig for being white!" before shooting her. Now we all know how to commit the perfect hate crime and get away with it - approach the person fitting the demographic you hate and ask them to supply you with free stuff until they tell you "no", then kill them. Hey, that's just rage over having your request denied.
Yes, just like all your Newsvine Posts as emotive non factual opinions. Like:
Admit it J_P_PatchesPal_1 you would know this as Fact and not your posted emotive opinion because YOUR THEIR DADDY.
Admit it J_P_PatchesPal_1 you would know this as Fact and not your posted emotive opinion because YOUR THEIR DADDY.
And you are the VERY REASON that this kind of thing continues. Your demanded NON Involvement.
"There is NO Law if there are NO Consequences."
Patrick, your comprehension is atrocious! The article stated that the gunman was identified by her boyfriend and the three were young teens. Nowhere did it say that her boyfrienhd was a teenager. Get some fifth grader to explain it to you-- you'd never make it on that game show "Are You Smarter Than a Fifth Grader".
If the teen shooter is smart, he will name the others-- or he will have to face the music by himself. I doubt if the music will be some decent music-- probably rap.
Wow, those teens really, really didn't want to get a job did they!
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They will hopefully have jobs soon... @ $0.85 per hour.
Funny how the mind works. I kept reading that sentence as he was identified as the gunman and boyfriend. It was 2:40 am and I was battling insomnia. I was hoping someone would clear it up for me only a little less derogatory, ouch but thanks.
What a generation of useless idiots we are raising!!?? What is wrong in this country?
@Arthur66 - "Obama youth"? Ridiculous!
They should get a job? They're 13 and 14 years of age, can you get a job at that age? I did chores for which I received an allowance. Actually, I did more than that because both of my parents worked. They definitely shouldn't be hanging out on the streets bumming cigarettes.
The entitlement mentality is spreading. Distribution of wealth...The message of people who are well off OWE others or it is ok to take it away.
Parents don't love their kids any more. They are not taught right, wrong, or how to even read. Death penalty for them all and rid the world of at least a few of these degenerates.
When these "wastes of human flesh" go to prison, does their welfare queen mother still get the extra for a child dependent?
Good question, they might even be happy to see junior out of the house. Evidently Jason Whitlock believes whites give guns and drugs to blacks so they can shoot people. I guess whites didn't think that plan out completely.
When I was 13 I got a paper route. I was allowed to keep half of what it earned. I scoured the neighborhoods for lawns to mow. I bought the gas. I was allowed to keep half of what I took in. In the summer I went to the local farms & picked beans, peas, cucumbers & berries. I was allowed to keep 1/3. At Christmas time I was given the opportunity to sell Christmas wrap in small packages. I made a fortune, about $60 bucks a week. I got to keep it all so I could buy presents. When 15, I got a job working for a medical clinic as a janitor 3 nights a week. After 2 months they showed me how to sterilize surgical instruments & operate an autoclave, next they showed me how to develop x-rays & then to take them. This became a 5 day a week job after school, 4 hrs, per night. I got to keep half of it.
When I was 17 I joined the US Army for 4 1/2 years & never looked back. Best decision I ever made.
I know kids today wont do this & most parents wouldn't allow it, but it didn't kill me. Maybe some should try at least some of it. I never got rich, but I also never murdered anyone or went to prison. A little work don't hurt no one.
Regretably Life no Parole would not be appropriate at that age ...... but I would be sorely tempted. Lets hope instead a long period of time under supervision and care turns him around - at least the Lady's death will result in some good albeit to one of her killers.
I too am Vietnam Era Vetaran and would guess that perhaps nicotine with-drawls played a part but, no excuse for actions..
Wow! Some punk kids are asking somebody to aid them in breaking the law (providing tobacco to minors) and when the people refuse the punk kids commit another crime - murder. Kids went from misdemeanor to felony in seconds.
The question on everybody's mind is "did they end up with cigarettes for their troubles?"
When people ask me for a smoke, I ask them " what've you got" ?
I did get one death threat as a result. It ended with me chasing him for about a hundred feet.
maybe they were a little peeved at a smartass rubbing their noses in the fact that people like her are why there are no jobs and why their life sucks so badly.why did you not see stuff like this happening when you passed free trade.great a hand full of people have most of the money.dont leave your gated communities/prisons.its only going to get more dangerous out here for you
There is a better article on newsone dot com. These were gang members thugs and the 14 year old shooter had five previous run-in's with police.
These guys had followed her boyfriend all the way home from the store, and when she came out of the house and told them to get jobs and stop running the streets, one kid pulled the gun and shot her. The entire way home, they had been yelling and cursing at him, but he ignored them in the hopes that they would go away.
This article leaves out key details because they only care about creating more gun-related tension. This incident happended two weeks ago, but MSN is only now covering it to "stir the pot" of anti-gun movement.
Perhaps with these kids previous history we can stuff them in cells and forget about these losers. But before they go to jail perhaps some real justice can be exacted. To johnQcitizen... Your remarks displays some real stupidity. First these are teenagers that by law cannot smoke anyways. Second your remark shows a lack of respect and lack of brains!
What are kids this age doing with guns? The person that allowed them to get a gun ought to be charged also.
Right on!
You two folks amongst many are the ones that allow it. "Which "kids" should be allowed with guns."
The junkie thief with the hoodie! The crack head with his / her civil rights. The Bobo follower?
"Can't spank the kids cuz moms doing crack and dad has never been there."
Who does this - try looking in a mirror. But you "gots your rights."
As a responsible gun owner, I could not agree more.
But in this case, I'm betting that the gun wasn't pilfered out of dad's or mom's bedroom, it was probably bought on the street. Which begs another question: where/how would a 13/14 year old come up with enough cash to buy a gun on the street? I'll leave the answer for that one up to the readers to figure out.
Bill- you complained about everything except the real issue that caused the murder: irresponsible gun ownership. don't try to put this on drug users, civil rights, obama or child protective laws. The kids got hold of a gun because they are little poopstains and their parents were not watching. Plain and simple. Don't overcomplicate things man.
Just as every criminal was once a law abiding citizen, every illegal gun on the street was at one time bought, perfectly legal.
Do you NRA nuts get it yet? I doubt it.
Where do you think all the guns on the street come from??
Airthief, that's a ridiculous argument. By that logic all drugs on the street were at one time bought perfectly legally. There are many weapons that can never be purchased legally in the United States. Like any other product, there are counterfeit guns made all over the world, most of which can never be legally purchased in the United States. They still get over here. Granted, this handgun is probably not one of those, but what you are suggesting, to completely ban all gun sales to anyone, anywhere, under any reason, in the United States would not prevent this sort of thing. Ignoring the fact that thousands upon thousands of guns are already in the country that wouldn't vanish just because you changed the law, it wouldn't stop weapons from being made elsewhere and brought in. We already have laws barring 14 year olds from buying and having handguns. We already have laws prohibiting leaving guns where a minor can access them. Last time I checked the NRA isn't trying to overturn either of those laws
I get a kick out of these threads. It seems any time someone does or says something that someone else doesn't agree with... they're a "nut". Gun nut. Religious nut. Tree hugger nut. Liberal nut. Right wing nut.
Air Thief, you are talking out your backside. Maybe I should call you some sort of nut.
I highly doubt the gun was taken from mom or dad's room. Nor do I think they somehow found the money to buy one. I am more inclined to believe that these punks got the gun from someone in a gang are trying to get into that gang. According to a poster in one of the collapsed comments, a newspaper said that all of these boys have had run-ins with the law in the past. Their records all go back to when they were 9 years old. That is a very sad commentary.
They are probably gang members and the person they got the gun from is most likely already a criminal.
I thought it was illegal for 13yr olds to buy guns..
David Mora, your "logic" is more abysmal than that which you're attacking. Your assertion that Airchief's point that almost all guns in the US were once purchased legally is the same thing as saying all drugs in the US were once purchased legally is one of the stupidest comparisons I've ever heard from someone over six years of age! ALL the heroin, cocaine, pot, etc. coming into the US is illegal one millimeter inside US territory. There's no way you can compare that to guns, which are (unfortunately) legal to buy for non-felon adults. There ARE no underground gunmakers catering to the criminal trade. And the number of guns coming into the US is the barest trickle compared to the number MADE in the US. Sorry, but it's axiomatic that every gun in a criminal's hand today was ONCE a legally-owned gun. Guns are one of the prizes burglars look for when the break into a house or a legitimate gun store (where they can grab HUNDREDS). It's also child's play for criminals to buy guns at gun shows (where they only give lip service to background checks) and on the Internet, where you don't have to give any correct information on yourself.
The gun used in this particular murder could very well have belonged to the father (or even the mother) of one of the boys. Moms who have guns often keep them in their purses, where anyone can lift them when the purse in unattended. My nephew killed himself with the gun he took from my sister's purse. But however they got the gun, the murder they used it for is part and parcel of the gun culture rampant in this country. Somebody disses you? Shoot them. Somebody insults your mother? Shoot them. Somebody disagrees with you over which team in better? Shoot them. Someone has something you want? Shoot them, and take it. Arguments that USED to result in a bloody nose or a black eye NOW end with a body waiting for the Coroner's wagon. Men who've been dumped by a wife or girlfriend come back with a gun - and don't just use it to threaten or intimidate. Every massacre that I've read about for the past few years has been perpetrated by someone (almost always a Caucasian male) who was once a "responsible gun owner." Almost every person has some "button" that, if pushed, will send him "postal." The presence of a gun means that someone, or a LOT of someones, will DIE because of that. Is that really the America in which you want to live...?????
regardless of what pple think 2 say get a job isnt the smart-alec phrase it used 2 be......how many pple are unemployed and trying isnt good enough...not 2 say that these video game playing adolecents are not guilty but in this day an age its like saying go 2 hell.When pple ask me for smokes i verify thier age and charge em its a hell of a lot better than pointing a finger at someone that uses the same finger 2 hurt you for bieng rude and oblivious 2 the real question....Can i Bum a Smoke?
AirThief, jockmama-1543705,
ROTFLMAO.
http://money.msn.com/investing/11-things-wrong-with-congress
How about this go to a Supermarket and read where the majority of Fruits and Vegetables actually come from (as in Mexico, South and Central Americas; NOT picked by Illegal Aliens at the US as those attempting to Legalize Illegal Aliens at the US love to claim.).
As to where most Firearms are manufactured and come from, take a rough guess. Hint: Usually Not Made In the US, the exception "US Military Must Buy Only US Products, Goods and Services" (these weapons NOT available to US Civilians UNLESS they have a Valid Federal Firearms License and required (Verified) stated purpose like being US Law Enforcement.
Before arguing learn the difference between Bolt Action, Semi Automatic, and Military Selective Fire including Full Automatic). And, US License to Manufacturer M-16s, M-4s, M-9s (handguns), etc. at Mexico for the Mexican Government to arm their Mexican Military; however, the Mexican Drug Cartels prefer the more reliable and accurate Russian Manufactured Weapons like AKs (800 meters) than the jungle warfare more complex (many small parts) US weapons (M-16s 350 meters, M-4s 250 meters) and of course you would not know (from firsthand experience or your own detailed research) that the Russian Weapons are being smuggled from the Fundamentalist Islamic Shia Republic of Iran by the container load to South America (Hamas Foreign Fighters and Hezbollah) to Guatemala (Fully Organized MS-13, MS-14 Gangs) then into Mexico (Mexican Drug Cartels). You thought the Illegal Aliens used as "Mules" only carry Drugs to pay for their being smuggled into the US (Illegal Alien Gangs at the US as the Drug Cartels Distributors and Enforcers). And of course there are the Russian Mob, the Eastern European Organized Crime, Columbians, and Cubans.
Mom gave me my first gun when I was 12. A 1903 Winchester semi-auto 22 rifle. Damn that shot nice. Wish I still had it. Of course back then kids were taught how to use them & let know that if they misused them their hole world was going to end.
David, you might not know quite as much as you think you know about guns. While the Soviet-made AK's are fine guns in their way, most AK's on the underground market are not Soviet-made. The standard issue M16 is a mighty fine weapon, when I began shooting competition in the Air Force, I used one from the training rack at the weapons training range where I worked. I shot the 10 and X at 600 yards just fine with it. Civilian models are even better. I was on a combat training mission one time, where our "enemy" was US Army Special Forces acting as Soviet Special Forces, and they chose to trade in their AK's for the better M16s. Fact, my friend. I personally prefer the M14 rifle, and after getting started in competition shooting, was able to buy my own match grade M1A which did me good for a number of years. My personal home-defense rifle today is the scaled down version, the Ruger Mini-14. As for these kids, I carry a Glock G22 in .40S&W, which at one time was owned by the "illustrious" Detroit Police Department (I know the history of my gun, which I bought used at a pawn shop). The kids didn't get their gun legally, they had already committed a crime before they ever approached the woman.
AirThief many are probably stolen.
There is a much better article on newsone dot com. These were gang members thugs and the 14 year old shooter had five previous run-in's with police.
These guys had followed her boyfriend all the way home from the store, and when she came out of the house and told them to get jobs and stop running the streets, one kid pulled the gun and shot her. The entire way home, they had been yelling and cursing at him, but he ignored them in the hopes that they would go away.
This article leaves out key details because they only care about creating more gun-related tension. This incident happened two weeks ago, but MSN is only now covering it to "stir the pot" of anti-gun movement.
Try as adults, execute.
Then what's the point of trying anybody as a child when everybody cries "try the children as adults" for every case?
I all for it! The problem with "trying them as children" is that no real lesson seems to be taught. A continuing problem since the studies came out that said that the adage "spare the rod, spoil the child" was all wrong. Standing in a corner for 20 minutes is NOT punishment. Go to your room (with its X-Box, Playstation, cable fed TV, computer connected to Facebook, etc) is not punishment. The lesson to be taught is simply this: if you do wrong then you're going to suffer the repercussions - for me that was usually the vice principal's paddle or my dad's belt. And after some many decades, I have yet to have committed a felony - I learned the lesson ... take personal responsibility for your actions, and if your actions are unacceptable to the general population, be prepared to suffer the consequences.
Our culture will probably evolve into a 'try-as-adults' just to cull the upcoming herd. Every cornerstone of civilization did not tolerate renegade behavior; it's detrimental to society.
Ditto, 100% agree. Bast$&^rds like that don't deserve to live let alone procreate.
If the kid wants to act like an adult and kill someone then he deserves to be tried as an adult...he was man enough to use the gun. Oh so now he wants to suddenly be a kid when its no longer convenient?? What about the victims rights? She should have the right to express herself verbally without being shot. Seems to me this kid was looking for an excuse to use the gun.
for those idiots who say teenagers dont know wrong from right, F*ck off! they absolutly know right from wrong. If your a teenager and you kill someone over something petty as this, then hell yeah, hang the little prick Mother F*ckers!!!!!!
Right time - Adult, Right place, execution row.
In this case the crime is MURDER. They should be tried as adults. If they can't do the time-don't do the crime.
Ditto Cranium
A child that kills for such a small thing is a monster that needs to be destroyed before he can destroy someone else.
They should be tried and executed.
The distinction between child and adult is meaningless in a murder case.
But, that's not what's gonna happen here. They will someday be released.
Any argument in favor of not either executing them or keeping them locked up forever is an argument in favor of the right to commit murder.
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the S.C. of U.S.A will not allow the execution of minors. Lets hope they stay in prison till their late 70's or so.
It is all to common now
While I don't condone their actions, if You're gonna try them as adults, then the age of sexual consent should be 13-14. No I don't want a child for sex, but the argument is open about who has the mental capacity to make those decisions and know the consequences.
These kids are lost causes. I completely agree with the original poster.
For those who think these kids should have leniency, let me ask you this - did you have the urge to commit murder at age 13 or 14 when you got angry? Probably not. These kids have no moral compass no conscience, and they aren't going to develop it. They'll be life long criminals if given the chance. They just took the life of someone completely innocent over a few words - words which were actually good advice even.
Sorry, no sympathy and no leniency for these guys.
I just hope there's not a sign outside the execution chamber, like in amusement parks:
^ "You must be this tall to ride the electric chair"
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Even if they are tried as adults, it is illegal to execute minors in every state in the US. Life in prison is the most that they can (should) get.
What does the age of consent for sex have to do with a 13-14 year old taking a gun and murdering someone? Wow, I guess if they are old enough to commit murder they should be old enough to have sex.
Sorry, when I was 13-14 I knew that it was not alright to murder someone and that if you did you would have to suffer the consequences. I don't know anyone that is so dumb that at 13-14 they did not know that there are consequences to murdering someone and it isn't just a slap on the wrist. It is getting more and more common to hear of someone killing someone else because they refused to give them what they wanted. Is this how we are bringing up the children that are supposed to be the future of this country? Where are the parents of these teenagers that they even think that there is anything right about taking a gun and shooting someone because they refused to give them something that they wanted and basically informing them that if they want something that they should work for it? They have it so hard because mommy and daddy both have to work to make ends meet. I know a lot of families where only one parent works and they have no problems making ends meet. They may not be purchasing materialistic items, have that new car every two years, vacations to exotic places, all the newest electronics or whatever, but what they do have is a close relationship with their children. Children who know right from wrong and children that are on the path to become productive members of society as they grow up. They know that they have to earn what they want and that no-one is going to just hand it to you. We don't want to discipline the children because it might hurt their little egos to tell them that they are doing something wrong. I am beginning to understand why this generation keeps calling the baby boomers entitled. They are trying to divert the attention from their own attitudes of being entitled to everything without having to work for it.
They list the kids names in a different article – check them out on facebook. Todavia Cleckley is holdings guns in his profile pic… Marcus Velasquez is making a gang symbol. Clearly no parental figure around if they are just flaunting this behavior all over facebook. These kids probably would have ended up in jail before they were even old enough to apply for a job. No hope here, charge them as adults and get them out of society forever!
Still more proof that smoking is bad for your health.
So is not having a cigarette to give away, apparently.
I think denver bill 2's comment is the more accurate one.
Not having a cigarette to give away kills.
They'll be out in no time to kill again.Thank you justice system.
They will say that because they are children. He may be a 13-year-old murder, but he is still a child. He can't vote, drink, rent a car, or even legally drop out of school. I would suggest the parents be charged in addition to the boys rather than suggesting the state execute a 13 year old, as someone above has suggested. It isn't only about the murderer, it's about how we react as a society, and advocating the execution of a child that age is chilling.
He also can't legally smoke.
This is where lynchings should happen and they should skip the trial.
And the fact that the 13 yo kids would shoot a person in cold blood (and brag about it via pictures on FB) over a cigarette is just as chilling. I'm a compassionate guy, but blowing someone away for no reason and bragging about it removes their "child" designation in my book.
Kids do some stupid things, but this wasn't something that wasn't "well thought out" - they killed someone and then when the reality of what they did sunk in, were proud of it!
Children are generally considered innocent and these kids are NOT innocent. We don't want them in society-ever!
Whoa, where did it say they bragged about it on FB? I didn't see that in the source article either. I want to find out if that actually happened or if you were referring to someone else..
Merry Bear, if only making the parents accountable too would work! Unfortunately, these boys already have records, according to a poster in a collapsed comment area. I would think that the parents are at wit's end. I am also inclined to believe that they are trying to get into a gang and nothing the parents would try do would work.
I have to agree, Jay. This is a very adult crime, even a 13 year old knows killing is wrong so I would easily advocate them being tried as an adult.
Wrong place at the wrong time? What load of BS is that? Is there ever a right time and right place to murder someone? At this age the parents should be looked at as well, it's one thing for a kid to smoke, that's just stupid and a small crime....but for the kid to murder someone, that takes on a whole new level of bad parenting if the kid is set off by being told to get a job and kills.
From the point of view of a defense attorney, I guess the right time and place to murder someone is when there are no witnesses present. That's the only sense I can make out of his "wrong place at the wrong time" comment. The right place for his client is death row.
Chilling? Personally I find it chilling that a 13 year old "child" saw fit to advocate for the execution of a woman who refused him a cigarette and then carried out the execution on his own. With the lack of self control and foresight for the consequences of his actions displayed here I would say, "Good luck trying to tear down 13 years of sh*t and re-build something that can be released upon society and not be a danger to anybody who crosses him as long as he lives." We, as a society, have nothing in place that's going to accomplish that. I, personally, do not advocate for execution for anyone... I don't like the death penalty... but I would like to see this "child" removed from a world where he can walk around and make decisions about whether other people should live or die. In my opinion, he has demonstrated that his brain is already damaged and diseased beyond repair. When he is most likely released into society at the age of 18 (because that's what we do after some doctor says 'he's okay now') he will only be more dangerous than he is now.
MERRY BEAR...you said "He can't vote, drink, rent a car, or even legally drop out of school."
He doesn't want to vote, he"ll steal a car, and won't go to school.
He can legally kill someone, but he did.
rephrase that, boomer4now. he "can't" legally kill someone. I know what you meant, not trying to be snide, we all make grammatical errors now and again (I probably just did).
As for those who want to execute the kids, read the case "Roper v Simmons." I believe it is a 2005 Supreme Court case, where a 17 year old "man" duct-taped a woman, tossed her over a bridge to her death. He was two months shy of his 18th birthday, I believe, and the US Supreme Court decided that because he was not an adult, he should not be executed. It does not matter how heinous your crime is, if you are under 18 when you commit it, you do not face execution. Just this past year, the US Supreme Court determined that if life in prison without parole was the only sentence for a certain crime, then a child under 18 either could not be found guilty of that crime, or the sentence had to be changed to allow for parole. In South Dakota, following that reasoning, a 17 year old who commmits murder cannot be found guilty of first degree murder, because life without parole is the minimum sentence for that crime.
These three worthless pieces of human garbage need to be executed tomorrow!
Get a job
Amazing. Get killed for giving advice. This had nothing to do with cigarettes. It has everything to do with looking for an excuse to cause trouble. The triggerman should be tried as an adult.
Maybe we can get these kids on "Dr. Phil"
First, Who owned the gun? Second, How did the Juvenile get the gun. Third, Blame the National Rifle Assn for the lack of gun control. Many years ago I went a gun store and bought a shotgun and shells. No questions asked no ID was requested. I could have went outside loaded the gun and returned to rob the store. Gun control has to put in place. The sale of ammo has to be controlled. Check the firearm laws of Japan. They are easy to find on the computer.
If you bought a shotgun w/o ID and the NCIC background check the dealer was in violation of the law. I doubt this happened, it's just some BS story you made up because you don't like guns. We have gun control in place, the laws need to be enforced is all. Minors are not allowed to own guns, neither are convicted felons or the mentally ill. And as to your comment about "being easy to find on the computer"... yeah, well the equivalent paper registration of guns in 1930s Germany and Soviet Union allowed it to be easy to confiscate the guns.
character 84 - think just a little about what you've said. I sincerely doubt that this little twit obtained the gun through any legitimate means. Considering his age, that's impossible. Which once again shows that regardless of gun control legislation in place, those who don't give a rodent's rectum about the laws are going to do what they want. In this case the want was to have a gun.
That's like the NO WEAPONS signs on business place doors - do you really believe that a criminal gives a damn about that sign on the door. Dream on. I rather like the attitude of the bank management of a bank in Texas that had been robbed more than once - they took down the "No Weapons" signs, put up "Licensed to carry customers WELCOME!" sign, and haven't been robbed since.
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Chicago has some of the most restrictive gun control laws in the country, yet shootings are up 49% this year. The liberal "more government! less liberty!" solution to nearly every problem typically results in dismal failure.
Wanna bet they would have had no problem stabbing her or throwing a molotov cocktail through their window instead? Enough with blaming the object that kills people... the fault rests on these little scumbags and their "parents" who are so in name only. Blaming the NRA is like blaming AAA for drunk drivers.
Shut up. You think this gun was actually "owned" by somebody? Kids with guns are thugs and they more than likely stole it or bought a stolen gun. That's why they didn't have cig money. Stolen guns are expensive. BUT it is not the FAULT of the NRA. You and Bob Costas should go on tour with your anti-gun propaganda.
Translation: Don't blame the lawmakers who are supposed to make the laws. Blame an organization that the electorate uses to make their wishes known. By that logic, the NEA should be held responsible for the performance of school students.
Denver bill
The NRA pours in the $$ to get laws written how they would like. They lobby the lawmakers to do their bidding. Surely you are aware of this.
Yet the NRA doesn't pass laws. Our lawmakers do. If you think there are not enough, blame the lawmakers. Or are you saying that the temptation of money is more than a lawmaker should be expected to withstand?
Let's change the story, just a little. Let's say it was a knife, instead of a gun. Would the woman be any less dead? She could have been stabbed to death just as easily as shot, and knives are much easier to come by than guns.
Yes, guns in the wrong hands are dangerous. However, nothing within the law could have prevented the gun from coming into the hands of this very willing hoodlum. He had made up his mind to have an illegal weapon, and no gun laws would have prevented, hindered, or refused him of his quest. Had he run into a roadblock, he would have just taken a detour. The law is for those who are law abiding. If one is not law abiding, the law means NOTHING, and therefore is a moot issue. NRA, BATF, a fairy godmother will/can do nothing in the illegal world of under-the-table firearms. It's all after-the-fact.
As far as punishing this little monster/criminal, life in prison isn't a problem for me. He (and his companions) should never see the light of day again. Throw away the key. They are irredeemable. My 11-year-old grandson knows the difference between right and wrong; these little horrors do too.
I am aware that the NRA does the same thing the NEA does. They both solicit donations from their members to influence politicians. I don't have a problem with that. I do have a problem with people who choose to ignore the fact that both of these organizations are merely doing the bidding of their constituents. It is much easier, and less honest, to blame an evil monolithic organization than its' individual members (such as gun owners or teachers), who might be a friend, relative or neighbors.
Character 84,
Move to Japan ya fruitcake. I'll bet you eat tofu, don't you? Another lib without a spine. Blame everything but what should actually be blamed.
Seriously? It's the NRA's fault? That's like blaming the government for not lowering the age limit to buy cigarettes. I HIGHLY doubt these kids got the gun through legal means. These kids had no problem murdering someone for suggesting that they get a job, NOT one of the worst things to say, I would wager they had no problem stealing the gun from someone else or even their parents. IF anyone other then the kid should be blamed I would take a gander at the parents.
Gun control would have stopped this? That's great news; I didn't know that criminals followed the law.
I'm going to put a "no breaking end entering" sign on my lawn tonight to keep the burglars away!
The NRA's position, as I understand it, is that there are good reasons for adults to own guns without government interference in that person's decision to own a gun. They base that on the 2nd amendment, and I think they probably interpret it correctly. As to the beandip that started this particular thread, the fact that he bought a shotgun "many years ago" could mean that he bought the shotgun before background checks, before instant check, and was an adult when he bought it, so it didn't matter. He may not remember when background checks began. I bought my first pistol before background checks were instituted, so what? Today, when I walk into a store to buy a gun, it takes about five minutes BECAUSE I have a concealed carry permit, which means my fingerprints are already on file, and they don't need to do much. Nothing these kids did was legal, unless they were on the streets when school was not in session and before curfew. Too young to smoke, too young to possess a firearm, but they were doing, or intending to do, both. Bernie Goetz had a gun, the kids opposing him had a screwdriver, but if I were threatened with a screwdriver, I'd probably pull the trigger too. I have no intention of being either stabbed or shot. Now, I know there is bound to be someone who's going to tell me that just because I have a gun does not mean I will not be shot. Yeah, I get that. But I am not going down alone. He has a gun on me, he probably intends to use it, so yes, I will pull mine, and begin shooting. If he does not fire the second he pulls his gun, he is wasting time, and has wasted his life. I may or may not get hit, even at close range, but I shoot (and shoot competitively) enough to know that I will hit my target, and I happen to believe in the axiom that so long as a bullet remains, and your target is standing, you keep shooting. Stop shooting when your enemy hits the ground.
Boy, that escalated quickly.
Just speculation but perhaps what went down was that when the underage kids asked the bf for a smoke, he said no (because they were too young to be smoking) which upset them. Then that's probably when the woman said, "get a job" as in so you can go buy your own cigarettes. Bad parenting led one of the kids to take things way too far by shooting her! This kid should go to jail for a minimum of 20 years and the parents should be sued for everything they have....Some people should not be allowed to breed if these are the types of kids the end up raising. The other two kids should not be charged unless they helped carry out the murder.
Are you high Timmy? They should all be given life in prison with adult, then we can see what kind of bada$$es they really are.
Sounds like they did listen. 5-10 at the big house and when released collect foods stamps and a free oboma phone for the rest of their lives.
Congrats on being the first idiot to bring the president into this discussion. I'm sure these kids were angels prior to his election.
Second idiot. Scroll up a bit.
Obama is only the latest in a long line of liberal sh*theads who have carefully cultivated a huge sub-culture of mentally challenged, government dependant, self-entitled thugs, all for the purpose of keeping the Democrats in power in perpetuity.
Obama may not own all the blame for this - but he certainly owns some of it - as do ALL Democrats and the a$$es who vote for them.
Grilledcheesesandwich your name is as asinine as your rant.
.... Killed a 22yr over a Cig? SERIOUSLY???
Wow.... >.>
that's something to be REAL proud of!
Kids, got to love them!!
kid will be kids
I"m sick of all this bull shyyyyte killing. Back in the western days we would hang them and bring the children so they can see what not to do. We have to fight fire with fire. And another. I read this from some bird. They should hold them in prison till their 21 and then kill them. It is what it is. When you kill someone especially at that age. You know from right and wrong. So there fore be gone with them. If we did that, I bet crime would go down. the only reason it's so hi in the US, cuz we slap them on the wrist and then we shelter them and feed them and give them cable so they can watch TV. I think that is Bull Shyyyyte.
Agreed!
What ya gonna do when they come for you?
Money says that they are Black.
More money says you are racist.
http://blackamericaweb.com/80787/14-year-olds-pose-with-guns-on-facebook-before-allegedly-killing-woman/
More money says you they had no church in their lives.
So as long as we are bringing race into it, was the victim black? Because if not, the headline should read three black youths murder white woman. Would it be a hate crime?
Mythology fixes nothing. Parents fix things.
I believe it has more to do with up bringing than race. Some kids have the wrong role models aka thugs , the media promotes this ,look at the link their posing in a sorta scareface badass (look at my little friend ) kinda way.
Innocents lost....
I read about this story yesterday. The victim was White and the shooter was indeed Black.
You are correct sir. Black shooters, White victim, but the liberal media will not mention this.
Where's Al sharpton and Jesse? why aren't white people marching in the streets? If Obama had a white daughter would she look like this lady? So , many unanswered questions.
One thing rcoastg and I agree on is the need to ban handguns.
negative , i like mine.
If guns are outlawed only outlaws like these idiots will have guns .
takenaka, where does Retiredcoastguard advocate banning guns? He said they more than likely had no religion in their lives. How does that equate banning handguns? Would love to hear your flawed logic on that one.
retiredcoastguard
Im a atheist, and i would never kill someone over cigarettes, more then likely these kids are adament believers in jesus and god...oh the hypocrisy
Where do the outlaws obtain their guns????????? Oh.... thats right! From legal owners.
http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/12/04/15680016-another-white-man-pleads-guilty-in-death-of-black-man-run-over-by-pickup?lite
Should we ban pickups, knives and open second story windows too ?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DALoP625MJc
Airtheif
You sound like the kind of guy who thinks they can put toothpaste back in the tube. Criminals wont care if handguns are against the law, they dont pay any attention to laws anyway, thats why they are criminals.
You want to put a dent in gun crime, execute anyone who committs a crime with a gun.
They want to behave like adults then try them as adults. They should not have been smoking, and they should never have had access to a gun. Where are the parents? They will show up saying "Not my child, it was someone else." When parents begin to act like parents again, and not their child's friend (and enabler), then and only then will kids learn manners, values and grow up to be responsible adults. When I look around at the youth today, all I can do is shake my head in disbelief.
When I look around at the youth today, all I can do is shake my head in disbelief.
and the generation before yours did the same with yours.
I see this worthless excuse for a news outlet still didn't identify the perps as black (ok, 1 brown one too) and the victim white.
More black on white crime that is not PC to report. Any white person anywhere near a group of blacks should get the heck away as quickly as possible... they are out to rob, rape or kill you and sometimes all of the above.
Can't execute them which is what is needed but lock them up for so long their hands will be shaking from old age by the time they get out.
Maybe this is a warning to non-smokers that are over bearing with words to a smoker. As a non-smoker I've heard fighting words for a smoker hearing from non-smokers.
On this article, the shooter (Murderer) should stay in cusody for a long-long-long time.
The one who killed should be put to death !!! end of story, let justice be done....................
it's tragic she was killed but her rudeness seems to be what made her the target. too many people think they can say whatever they want and act like a holes to anyone with no consequences.
Too many people think that they can ask for or demand whatever they want and there should be no consequences. She didn't approach them and tell them to get a job, they made the approach requesting something that did not belong to them. I guess it is okay to want what others have but not okay to let them know that if they want it, they need to earn it. They were the rude ones, not her.
that's funny cause they didn't ask HER for anything donna. they asked her boyfriend for a cigarette.
The victim is at fault? you'r warped.
The parents need some sort of consequence as well!
Unbelievable that two teens shot and killed a woman, and there are people who think the fact that they were smoking is the part of the story to be outraged over. That's like being on the Titanic as it sinks and complaining that housekeeping didn't make the beds.
Its not the smoking, its the absolutely low cost they put on a human life. Killed for denying a cigarette and suggesting you work for your own?
Sad.
killed for being rude and thinking she had a right to demean them. if she had simply said no i doubt this would have happened but she felt she had a right to assume things about these kids and to voice her opinions. what next, if you see a fat person you have every right to call them fat and tell them they need to get out of the fast food line? a little respect could have saved her life.
It was a lack of common sense on the victims behalf to push their buttons.
TFNJ, what a comment, shows where our society has evolve too.
I had a homeless person ,A BUM ( check with your local police dept and they can tell you what kind of criminal records , most, not all, but most of the BUMS have ), ask me for a dollar , I said no, he pulled out a golf club from his bag and took a swing at me, he missed, I walked away, what can you really do to a drug addict, he has not already done to himself.
TFNJ: You are absolutely right. We are living in a society which common sense should tell us we are putting our lives in danger when we tell a 14 year old something he doesn't wanna hear.
LADIES AND GENTLEMEN: I don't know about the rest of you. The ramifications of this incident.....we have failed as a society and culture.
When, by the time he is 14, a CHILD's mind is so messed up that murder for a cigarette is an option....
That a child is smoking, drinking, and/or on drugs. That a child is carrying a gun. That a child IS NO LONGER A CHILD.
Anyone wanna put odds on what value any of these 3 kids will have in society????
And the ultimate sadness is that someone loses life for what is a Civil Right.....and WE diss HER for lack of common sense.
I do believe this is a Civil Rights case, as these children took away another's basic civil rights......right to life and freedom of speech.
Let's continue to tolerate behavior that must be met with capital punishment if we are to survive as a society.
Sounds like a personal problem. I have had bums ask me for money and I say no. They are too afraid to argue otherwise. I don't exactly remind people of Little Opie.
Lesson 1 for those who need it: When walking an urban area, if you are asked for a cigarrette or a light, you have trouble coming. Yelling "get a job" is not smart.
JUAN:
You missed a perfect opportunity to "take out" the criminal. A golf club is a deadly weapon. You would have been justified.
I tell my wife all the time, I am sorry I consider scenarios like this when reading the messed up things people do.
Anticipating the un-anticipatable is something I learned from the Marines. Isn't it sad that 'combat instinct' has a place on our streets.
Wow, I guess we just have to appease these little juvenile delinquents because they might just kill us. No wonder they have this entitlement mentality. People are so afraid of them that they can do whatever they want and we run away scared.
yes, let's go to stupid extremes there donna. don't appease but don't insult either. anyone who thinks the kid killed her cause they wouldn't give him a cigarette is an idiot. the woman took it farther than saying no and insulted him. that doesn't justify what he did but there's alot of people in the world who will kill you over an insult and even more who will lay you out for it.
tom, being able to insult people isn't a right nor is it civil. everyone should know they risk retribution when they insult the wrong person.
Then don't Donna, and become the subject of a news story just like this.
If you don't have what it takes to defend yourself in this scenario, then yelling "get a job" is idiotic. Your personal feelings of society or your ego are irrelevant. Survival is what counts.
well actually HATR_HURTER, freedom of speech does give the woman a great deal of latitude in her comments, and I note that several of your posts are insanely idiotic. Are you the wrong person to insult? Because I find that your comments are among the stupidist I have seen on this page.
funny, coming from someone who can't spell stupidest. yes, in person if you insult me you should be prepared to fight over it. on here, anonymity allows people to be a holes. freedom of speech doesn't mean freedom from consequences.
Hatr in person you can insult someone but they better not insult you ? cannot believe you have lived this long with an attidute like that the self rightous one.
Cigarettes don't kill cigarette smokers, kids with guns do
Wow, amazingly enough, being a Tea Bagging Repug who taunts people with "Get a job" can actually be, like, you know, DANGEROUS.
Taunting and insulting people (especially people who are ready and willing to fight back) can actually be, like, DANGEROUS.
Wow, who knew?
Really? So in your world when someone follows you home demanding you give them something you just bought, to say anything back to them is "taunting and insulting" and those same people then have some kind of moral right to fight back?
This lady didn't just walk by some innocent kids who were minding their own business and start taunting and insulting them you troll. These little punks harassed someone until they had enough and then shot them when they said something back.
And congrats on showing that there are idiots on both the left and the right commenting here. Politics has nothing to do with this story, but hopefully you blathering partisan idiots are happy you found a reason to call the other team names. Bravo.
I love how you characterize what the murderer did as "fighting back".
More insight into the mindset of the loony left.
Telling a libtard to get a job is literally like throwing acid in their face.
jayinflorida
In my world, if someone asks me for a cigarette, I politely reply "Sorry, I don't smoke". That's a civil, polite and non-offensive reply.
Telling someone "Get a job" is taunting them. It's an insult. It's as much of an insult when delivered to two young men as it is when thrown at a disabled man asking for cash donations.
Guess what? People of any age don't take kindly to being insulted. They are likely to react in ways that are unforeseen and unpredictable, maybe even violent.
Therefore, unless you like the idea of getting your lights punched out (or worse), you'd be better off learning to watch your mouth and not start trouble with people who are not willing to put up with your smart mouth and who very apparently are not too worried about "consequences".
That's the part that RePUGs never seem willing to learn (well, they never "learn" anything at all, but I digress...) or understand: There is nothing on this planet more dangerous than someone who feels they have nothing to lose.
It never occurred to her to take out her cell phone and say, "Excuse me, I am leaving now. If you persist in bothering me, I can call 9-1-1 and the police will arrive in under 10 minutes" ?
No, of course not, the first thing that came out of her mouth was an insult.
It's a sad day when telling someone to get a job is an insult. Typical libtards that think everyone owes them. That is why I also have guns. I shoot back libtards take notice!!!
It's a sad day when any RePUG thinks he has a "right" to taunt anybody, but then RePUGs always "think" they are "superior human beings whom everyone should want to be like". Gee no, you ain't.
And yeah, telling someone "Get a job" is a taunt and an insult. Take notice, RePUGs, lots of people have guns and are apparently willing to use them. They shoot back. And they apparently are not "deterred".
sunset you are such a retard, so in your way of thinking it was ok for the bastards to kill over some words? I hope they fry them and I hope they do it soon, I'd pay good money to watch them fry.....................
Seattle, the bigger picture just didn't focus. What world are you living in?
krotchpheasants
How would you have the slightest idea what black youth have been "brought up to believe"? How many black youth have you ever raised? How many have you even ever met in your entire life?
Thanks for showing us your undisguised racial hatred and racism. Are your Klan robes back from the Kleaners in time for your Kross-burning?
silver-594739
Show me where I ever claimed it was "Okay" for the kids to kill the woman. Please.
Someday, after you graduate from middle school or high school, perhaps you will learn to differentiate between a "provable Fact" and an "opinion-based ass-umption".
Sheila-846240
I'm living in the world in which it's never okay or acceptable to taunt anyone, even 14-year-old kids.
Gun-lovers always love to claim that a society in which people are packing guns would be "A Very POLITE Society."
In a POLITE world, the woman being asked for a cigarette would have POLITELY replied, "I'm sorry, I don't smoke". That would have been the POLITE reply.
Because, in a Second Amendment Sisters world, it would be the height of lunacy to openly and disrespectfully mouth off in an IMPOLITE way to someone who was packing a gun.
Congratulations, gun-lovers, the assailants in this case proved your point.
The victim in this case did not die because she did not have a cigarette.
She died because she was irrationally and illogically IMPOLITE to someone who was carrying a gun.
Seattle
She died because she forgot she was dealing with animals. Hopefully they will offer these creatures a last cigarette before they execute them.