And yet, they're afraid of gay people.

Hey Sarah,

Some minds are so closed to thinking.

I have a friend who believes the term gay = pedophile, then again he thinks nude=sex and muslim=terrorist. It's only funny (as in ridiculous) because he's Catholic and he doesn't make ANY connections there.

I am no longer a fan of the Boy Scouts but to make a blanket statement about all of the scout leaders because of a few isn't fair either but how the organization handles it is another matter.

It is shown time and time again that within these organizations, where there's smoke, there's fire! I can almost guarantee you that a vast majority of these organizations are crawling with these lurkers. Get your kids out while you can.

You can bet safely that in organizations where there is rampant homophobia there will be protected pedophiles. How's it working for you having all the "normal and decent" people working for you and forbidding gays to work for you? Yeah, right.

Praise the Lord - he wasn't gay.

I wonder how much gay porn he has on his computer, too.

Sarah - that is EXACTLY what my first reaction was. Can't have the gays - but kiddie fiddlers are a-okay!!

What is it with these conservative religious based organizations and their pedophiles anyway? The catholics and boy scouts like little boys...really creepy people

You mean like the public education organization?

Here's the thing. If you ban openly gay people from your organization, you will still attract gay people to your organization, but only those who are in the closet. And those who are in the closet tend to be so not only because they're afraid of people's reaction to their being gay, but also because they tend to be getting up to stuff they know they're not supposed to, and they don't want to draw any more suspicion to themselves by being openly gay, because they, from their point of view, also harbor the asinine assumption that gay men tend to be pedophiles and child molesters, since they themselves are both gay and pedophilic.

But, the truth is, the vast, VAST majority of gay men are nothing of the sort. In fact, we're far less likely to be such things as straight men are, as irrefutably proven by sheer statistics. But, by banning openly gay men, you're not at all protecting anyone. You're only leaving the door open for people who are actually far more likely to cause the very kind of harm you're so misguidedly/uninformedly trying to prevent.

Liberals really need to learn how topics relate to each other before creating asinine parallels that are not there just to support their beliefs and hatreds.

Coming from the side that relates necrophilia, beastiality, appliance screwing, oh and PEDOPHILIA to gay people when arguing against their civil rights.

This is more along the lines of liberals sticking to their argument that being pro-gay rights has nothing to do with PEDOPHILIA, rather then any hypocrisy on their part.

Coming from the side that relates necrophilia, beastiality, oh and PEDOPHILIA to gay people when arguing against their civil rights.

But there are parallels there technically, they are all considered unnatural in the biology. Actually pedophilia with the opposite sex probably is the least "unnatural", despite being disgusting and warranting being shot (not that you libs would ever condone killing a pedophile or even punishing one appropriately)

Coming from the side

And the "side"? I didnt take a side, i simply stated how you libs could care less about relevance as long as you can attack something you hate.

Jenny Wernerr #1.6

Gay porn is not illegal but child porn is illegal, so I hope you get the difference, Oh hang on I see where you were trying to go with this! Trying for the ignorant gay=pedophile line of thinking how ignorantly clever of you.

Regardless he is a pedophile, his sexuality is irrelevant.

But there are parallels there technically, they are all considered unnatural in the biology.

I don't think you quite get this concept...

http://crossexaminedblog.com/2012/03/26/homosexuality-in-nature/

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/joan-e-dowlin/homosexuality-and-nature_b_356379.html

http://www.news-medical.net/news/2006/10/23/20718.aspx

I didnt take a side, i simply stated how you libs could care less about relevance as long as you can attack something you hate.

If you can't see the inherent contradiction between your semantics and the claim you're attempting to make using them, I can't help you.

trudat said: "And the 'side'? I didnt take a side, i simply stated how you libs..."

Just wanted to point that out. Ya'll have fun with the rest of your arguments.

trudat6445 - But there are parallels there technically, they are all considered unnatural in the biology.

That's the warped and misguided attitude that makes pedophilia endemic to homophobic organizations like the Catholic church and the BSA. No wonder you religious nutballs harm children.

You dolts are missing the point, i neevr said i have an issue with telling libs what hypocritical fools they are, that isnt the side i am or am not taking. The "side" i wasnt taking was whether this has anything to do with gays, i could care less about gays in either way, go bang who you want, go get married for all i care. But dont make up some pathetic asinine parralel, against something you hate, just because fools like sarah and mattt will believe it completely.

This story has ZERO to do with gays, this story has nothing to do with how the boyscouts think of gays. Or did you libs make the same parralels with sanducky or all of the liberal public teachers lately coming out as pedophiles?

Again, you libs just love to attack things you hate, no matter how irrelevant your "point" is. If you libs hated pedophiles as much as they hated the boyscouts or the church.

That's the warped and misguided attitude that makes pedophilia endemic to homophobic organizations like the Catholic church and the BSA. No wonder you religious nutballs harm children.

Ok then, prove it is natural, using other sources than liberal rags like sarah. Sex is for procreation, whether that is what we do with it or not, in nature it is an act to procreate, so please explain. Oh right, show me that some monkeys bang each other, yep thats proof.

Sarah:

Exactly how do you know that this gentleman is not gay? Ot is that just an assumption on your part?

It's time for responsible parents to find more up to date, more intelligent and more productive alternatives to scouting for their kids.

trudat6445

*sigh* prove being gay is natural. Well homosexual individuals in many social animals has been reported and has shown to be biologically advantageous to the sexual and procreative success of the entire social group. Social groups exist not so each individual can produce offspringsuccessfully but so the group as a whole can produce offspring.

The concept that sex is purely for procreation is not true for higher social animals such as the Chimpanzee for example, It is necessary for social cohesion, for dominance and hierarchical structure and even for the mental health of the individual.

The Lesbian sister of a chimpanzee mother helps with the rearing of the young while the lesbian mate also helps with the rearing of the young of her mates sister.

Actually, that is exactly the proof you are asking for, that sex for something other than procreation occurs in nature - i.e. that it is natural. The most prominant example is the Bonobo or pygmy chimpanzee - genetically the closest thing to humans on the planet. Sex is used to establish social relationships among all age/sex classes. Most of their sex is not for procreation. And btw, they are not "monkeys" as you put it. They are apes like us. Funny that you answered your own question and didn't even know it.

Homosexual or pedophile, they're all psychologically sick.

WRONG. None of the reputable, mainstream medical organizations consider homosexuality to be a disorder of any kind. Pedophilia is considered to be a paraphilia.

See what happens when you do just a little bit of research? You might actually learn something.

Pedos are clearly psychologically sick.

Gays are genetically predisposed. That's not to say it's normal, just not something that can be changed or controlled.
Acceptance is the rule and deservedly so.

The Boy Scouts, what a terrible organization.

trudat6445

Funny but biologically accurate.

I wonder how much gay porn he has on his computer, too.

I am going to say probably none.. He was not a gay man he was a pedophile.. I really do not understand why people cannot understand that pedophiles are attracted sexually to children.. Gay People are sexually attracted to members of their own sex..

Gays are genetically predisposed. That's not to say it's normal, just not something that can be changed or controlled.

Completely true.

The Boy Scouts, what a terrible organization.

But then you put that in?? Boy Scouts have done a great service to this country for a long time, much more good and for much longer than any liberal organization. That's like condemning the Salvation Army because of their religious origins. Just a touch of sad dialogue becuase they dont agree wiht you.

Simply because one sicko scout leader is caught with child porn files on his pc doesn't condemn the entire organization to being one that supports such behavior. There are a lot of other scout leaders who set excellent examples for our youth out there.

As far as thier stance on gay scouts, I find it interesting that they even bothered to take a stand against it, risking any tarnishment to their image. However, they have set their standards and as long as one keeps their sexual preferences to themself (where it belongs!) then there are no problems to resolve. Focus on building camp fires, pitching tents, fishing, hiking, etc. instead.

Simply because one sicko scout leader is caught with child porn files on his pc doesn't condemn the entire organization to being one that supports such behavior.

Except for the nearly 2,000 cases of sexual abuse that BSA has covered up over the last 40+ years, indicating that they totallly don't support "such behavior".

/s

trudat6445 - Boy Scouts have done a great service to this country for a long time, much more good and for much longer than any liberal organization.

Let's see.....the BSA is traditionally extremely racist, homophobic, and theocratic. They've sucked from the public teat for many decades to support a discriminatory and profoundly unethical organization, and just like the Catholic and Mormon churches they deliberately covered up pedophilia, failed to notify the cops of horrible crimes, and caused many children to be raped and traumatized for life. They have records of thousands of known or suspected pedophiles and not only didn't tell the cops about them but fought for years to deny victim's rights groups access to those records. What an effed up group of dumb bigots!

I don't know of any "liberal organization" that has done anything remotely like that.

That's like condemning the Salvation Army because of their religious origins

You mean the church group which uses donation money to lobby against gay rights around the world? Maybe they're marginally better than the BSA, but not by much. I would never give money to any group which wants to harm my daughter and restrict her legal rights.

Is anyone surprised? I hate to throw a blanket on any group but history will show that those that volunteer to be roll models for kids and want to lead and care for them should immediately be taken off the list and they should look to people that are not that anxious to do so.

Yes, Pippo, because people who hate kids can never get enough of being around them, so they're just lined up for miles for the chance to subject themselves to that which makes them miserable. lol

Boy scout leaders, football coaches, priests; I've said it before, when grown men want to hang out with kids, there just has to be an ulterior motive.

There are two kinds of perverts - those who are secretive like this loser, and those who are overt like the gays that want to get in your face. The Boy Scouts is an organization that works with young boys. So of course there will be perverts of both persuasions trolling for victims. Neither one is acceptable but unfortunately only the overt perverts are easily seen and blocked.

If the country truly embraced a culture that followed a moral code and had zero reasonableness for anything deviating from that moral code, then we would be moving in a much better direction. Too bad we are a psychiatric culture where the motto "if it feels good it must be okay" is promoted and "family" is an institution to be destroyed. Just do a search for the American Psychiatric Associations own video of these two efforts to destroy this country.

Ah, he is identified as a scout leader all though the Scouts dropped him from the organization as soon as he was found out. The article mentions nothing about him and charges with any Scouts. But it sure keeps the nastiness going when they can say he was a Scout leader and then tie it back to the Scouts and their files.

Say, he is from New York and has a nothing job. Probably a Democrat. Why was he not identified as such?

Tsk. Such hype.

Sarah,

The Catholic Church fears gays? Why do you say that? Do you just hate Catholics? Do you think that the Catholic Church promotes pedophilia?

Does being homosexual automatically exclude one from being a pedophile as well? If they have one disorder, why not another? Or many more?

Seems a lot of hate in here from the lefties/those without knowledge of the situations or morals other then their own opinions.

Hmmm...

Ok Seymour (and this is coming from a place of comapassion, so please read it in that spirit) --

I think you need a member of that American Pyschiatric Association; in other words, therapy for your anger issues. As far as "if it feels good it must be ok" that isn't what anyone (including me) that I know has ever said "justifies" being gay. Just like I would never look to heterosexual friends and ask them to "justify" their attraction to the opposite sex. Pedophilia is a sickness, has zero to do with being gay, and is dealt with in the courts as well as with therapy because of the very nature of the crime that it is...

And out of curiousity, who "enforces" the moral code you suggest? Roving bands of "moral police"? A board of ethics with the power to put people in jail or fine them for "deviating"? Groups that would post names for public shaming? You really need to think before you type, because I am sure you weren't suggesting fascism and/or the very types of regimes we as Americans defend against with things like the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.

Oh and for all these people talking about heterosexual pedophiles, it might interest you to know that while heterosexual pedophiles may have a larger number, homosexual predators molest the same victim a higher number of times.

Coming from the side that relates necrophilia, beastiality, appliance screwing, oh and PEDOPHILIA to gay people when arguing against their civil rights.

Sure, and bestiality is illegal, right Sarah?

@Erin.

Homosexuality is considered to be as natural as heterosexuality, especially since it has been documented in approximately 1,500 animal species (besides humans). It is less common than heterosexuality, but just as natural.

Homosexuality is considered to be natural by whom? It can still be diagnosed as a "sexual disorder not otherwise specified." , if a person fills distressed. The scientific community has no where said they know either the causes of homosexuality or ruled it as soley boiological. That's begging the question on your part. There's millions of species of animals, just because 1500 have displayed animal behavior, that doesn't make homosexuality natural.

just because 1500 have displayed animal behavior, that doesn't make homosexuality natural.

False.

All it would take is a single species: natural means to occur in nature without human intervention.

Why is that we always read about someone "DOWDLOADING" child porn from the net getting busted but,

We never read about the person who is "POSTING" it on-line in the first place getting busted?

OK people, the scouts fired him. the headline is bashing the scouts again because its easy. how about, Librarian caught with child porn. The Scouts are doing everything possible to stop Pedophiles from working with their youth, It is time to move on. The BSA is a very worthwhile organization if you actually check it out and stop just reading the Headlines. All Youth oriented organizations have to fight the slimes that prey on youth, the BSA is just the one in the headlines at the moment.

I think we have heard from a few homosexuals (and some straights) on this thread regarding the Pedophilia/Homosexuality debate. Are there any pedophiles out there in NewsVine land that would like to wade in on this topic? And there is a considerable number of sweeping accusations against the religious types associated with the Boy Scouts. Out of the many who are spiritually minded surely there is someone who desires to put in their two cents worth. Oh, that would be me. I'm not gay, not pedo, and I do have a relationship with Jesus Christ. So here goes, ahem, "He has shown you, oh people, what is good; and what does the Lord require of you but to do justice, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God." Micah 6:8 That's the Old Testament, folks. The New Testament says to "Love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your strength, and with all your mind; and, 'Love your neighbor as yourself.'" "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you." "To those who sin against you and ask forgiveness; forgive them." The man in the article is sick. Homosexuals are who they are, they have what they have; but, "Judge not, lest ye be judged and with the same measure." Don't waste you time giving opinions to closed minded people. You believe what you believe, I'll believe what I believe and hopefully we will live and let live; because, only God can judge rightly.

As a short time Scout in 1st or 2nd grade and as an observer today working for a school district I know several things to be facts (not my opinion, buut solid facts):

1) The Boy Scouts attracts the socially challenged in their ranks from leaders down to the kids

2) Parents that believe the Scouts will toughen their nerdy kids up are totally mislead

3) Some of the worst kids (if you really know their character) seem to become Eagle Scouts while most of the other kids forced to join just go through the motions and don't really like being there

4) The Scouts attracts pedophiles by the hordes!

5) And finally, most of Scout parents are too interwined in the social aspects of the organization and possess a type of personality that renders the ill-equipped to deal with the complexities of the abuse structure and they also suffer as a result from serious cases of DENIAL as a result.

These are solid proven -well known- facts.

ErinNJ- show us one shred of evidence that the BSA has anything in their bylaws or regulations about the hiring, development and "support" of Scout leaders who engage in pedophilia. You won't because you can't.

Homosexuality is considered to be natural by whom?

By all of the mainstream medical organizations, including the American Psychological Association, American Psychiatric Association, American Academy of Pediatrics, National Association of Social Workers, Royal College of Psychiatry, Royal Australian College of Psychiatry -- just to name a few.

It can still be diagnosed as a "sexual disorder not otherwise specified." , if a person fills distressed.

WRONG. You are referring to "ego-dystonic sexual orientation," which refers to someone who has a sexual orientation that is at odds with one's self-image.

The scientific community has no where said they know either the causes of homosexuality or ruled it as soley boiological.

WRONG AGAIN.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/06/080628205430.htm

http://www.livescience.com/7056-mom-genetics-produce-gay-sons.html

http://thinkprogress.org/lgbt/2012/06/14/499483/study-male-genetic-homosexuality/?mobile=nc

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/dec/01/homosexuality-genetics-usa

And the latest: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/scientists-uncover-source-homosexuality-article-1.1218017?localLinksEnabled=false

There's millions of species of animals, just because 1500 have displayed animal behavior, that doesn't make homosexuality natural.

Apparently, you have no clue about what "natural" means.

BTW, there is more information regarding homosexuality in animals: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/science-news/5550488/Homosexual-behaviour-widespread-in-animals-according-to-new-study.html

show us one shred of evidence that the BSA has anything in their bylaws or regulations about the hiring, development and "support" of Scout leaders who engage in pedophilia. You won't because you can't.

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/10/18/14539592-boy-scouts-release-secret-child-abuse-files-the-pain-and-the-anguish-of-thousands?lite

http://www.kellyclarkattorney.com/files/

The BSA's policy regarding checking on those who want to volunteer is piss-poor, to say the least. They have systematically covered up these incidents of abuse for the last 40+ years -- which is, in essence, supporting child abuse and its perpetrators.

The BSA is a very worthwhile organization if you actually check it out and stop just reading the Headlines.

Yeah, everyone! Just ignore that BSA if full of pedophiles! If you stop reading the news reports about it, then they can just go on their merry way to the next youth based organization and victimize a whole new group of kids! /s/

Wow...anything to through a stab at the conservatives in our country!!! How in the hell does a boyscout pedophile story get turned into a anti-christan, anti-conservative free-for-all by the liberals?? I'm surprised that the liberal agenda hasn't taken up pedophilia as part of a "fight for rights"campaign they are always shoving down America's throat. They have taken up everything else that most people in our country find morally incorrect or offensive. Just because you idiots somehow won the election, which I guarantee if the votes were all analyzed and investigated, it would be found a good portion of the liberal vote was made by illegals, double voting, and criminals that have lost their right to vote (main reason there was such a strong fight against showing a valid ID to be able to vote in some states...hmmmmmmm)!!!.....Liberals think they won hands down, but the popular vote was very close (I'm guessing probably around 25% of the liberal vote were made by the above stated, conservatives need to force a voter fraud investigation!!!) Its devastating that the hurricane hit, most of the conservatives did the safe thing and left the area!! But, hey liberals keep taking your jabs, keep being disrespectful...it shows your true colors! Your not after rights, your after you own personal agendas. Crap will hit the fan eventually and when it does, I'll set back with popcorn, glass of wine, a gun in hand, and watch the show:)

lol jamie you're so dumb!

You say they're bad for bashing organizations that have covered up countless instances of pedophilia yet you go on to proclaim that they want to start protecting the rights of pedophiles? Regardless of politics, the only people that like pedophiles are other pedophiles. Is that simple enough for you to understand? Then you make some asinine claim that Obama won soley because of voter fraud. Awwwwww someones a sore loser!!!! lol get over it

truedat

Liberals really need to learn how topics relate to each other before creating asinine parallel

Followed by...

But there are parallels there technically, they are all considered unnatural in the biology.

So, in your mind, there IS a "parallel" from homosexuality and pedophilia... but there is NOT a "parallel" between pedophilia and homosexuality?

I don't think you understand what the word "parallel" means.

Then there is this...

I didnt take a side, i simply stated how you libs

Right... use a term that fanatical Republicans use to describe the opposite party, whom they HATE... but claim to not be "taking a side". Keep telling yourself that, buddy.

Finally...

Sex is for procreation, whether that is what we do with it or not, in nature it is an act to procreate, so please explain.

The numerous animal species who have sex for "fun" would disagree. But I suppose you prefer infertile couples, elderly, and those who don't want children to abstain as well.

Run back to your fairy-tale bible, and stick to your religious FREAK groups. You don't like sex... fine. But the rest of the natural world, INCLUDING animals, will continue to enjoy it for fun.

oh and yes, they are after their own personal agenda...their agenda being equal rights for all those not committing crimes. Pedophilia=crime, homosexuality=not a crime. I don't think I can make that any simpler for you.

@Erin

You are referring to "ego-dystonic sexual orientation," which refers to someone who has a sexual orientation that is at odds with one's self-image.

No, I'm not. Originally, it was cast as an ego dysentonic mental disorder, however it can still currently be diagnosed as a sexual disorder not otherwise specified, if a person feels distressed. Look it up.

Correllation doesn't equal causation, and I'm still waiting for any of those articles to conclude that homosexuality is completely natural or soley(completely) biological. Show me an article that explicitly says homosexuality is completely biological in nature? You're not going to find one. The most they is that certain things play a factor.

Natural is defined as:

being in accordance with or determined by nature

Where's an entirely gay population again? I think the first two members died off after not being able to reproduce!

@cgtrav - You said: "I am no longer a fan of the Boy Scouts but to make a blanket statement about all of the scout leaders because of a few isn't fair either but how the organization handles it is another matter."

When I think of a few, I'm thinking 2, 3, 4, heck, maybe even 10 - but we're talking about over 1200 Scout leaders across the country. That's not a few, that's an organization in of itself!

Jamie

How in the hell does a boyscout pedophile story get turned into a anti-christan, anti-conservative free-for-all by the liberals?

Because the boy scouts represent everything that is Christian and Conservative. They are the epitome of Christian Conservative values... and YOU Christians defend them, champion them, and praise them for their "values". They represent Christianity and Conservatives.

So now the organization that YOU Christians support, YOU Christians praise, YOU Christians love... THAT organization is found to be protecting pedophiles. So it is YOU who are protecting pedophiles. YOU are condoning this action. This is YOUR organization.

So now, we get to point out who people like YOU really are... pedophile protectors. I don't care if you look at the boy scouts, or the catholic church... if it is a Christian organization, chances are they are raping children. Sorry the truth hurts.

@ Trudat6445 and other conservatives:

I consider myself pro-gay rights, yet I appreciate what the Boy Scouts of America does in terms of community service. However, I and many like me dislike the notion that certain people cannot serve honorably in the Boy Scouts - or in any other organization for that matter - because they were born a certain way.

It doesn't have to be black and white where you either fervently love or passionately hate the Boy Scouts. You should, as they say, hate the sin, but love the sinner.

and OF COURSE there are absolutely NO progressive/liberal/marxist child pornographers out there.

Isn't pornography, including child pornography, one of the goals of communism?

Get real PLM's. There are deviate in EVERY social class out there. I even remember some politicians from the demoncratic side that have been convicted of this.

ItIsWhatItIs

Show me an article that explicitly says homosexuality is completely biological in nature?

Why? You will just wave it off as a "liberal rag". What? You think we don't know how you play this game? Let me break it down...

You ask for proof, we provide proof, you wave it off as "part of the gay agenda". Then you ask for more proof, it gets provided, you wave it off as "liberal rag". And on and on.

Just be honest. Unless it doesn't say so in your little fairy-tale book about a man living in the belly of a whale, you will not believe it. Which is completely hypocritical, seeing as how you base your entire life on a religion with NO PROOF, but only "faith"... yet you require substantial proof for anything that contradicts your proof-less "faith".

@mguy,

You're writing this script, not me. Where's the proof? Those articles are based on causation and written in the langauge of probability. Sure biology might be a cause, but it's disingenuous to argue as though the matter had already been scientifically decided. In fact, contrary to Erin's post, the Apa said:

There is no consensus among scientists about the exact reasons that an individual develops a heterosexual, bisexual, gay, or lesbian orientation. Although much research has examined the possible genetic, hormonal, developmental, social, and cultural influences on sexual orientation, no findings have emerged that permit scientists to conclude that sexual orientation is determined by any particular factor or factors.

You were saying?

Isn't pornography, including child pornography, one of the goals of communism?

Ummm... since when? Unless I'm mistaken, communism was about the elimination of social classes and the creation of a strictly economically equal society.

Um if you are a pedophile who likes little boys, you are a gay pedophile. If you like little girls, you are a straight pedophile (assuming both are men, they tend to be). Boy scouts have to deal with gay pedophiles, and other organizations and the such deal with straight pedophiles. It doesnt make gay people bad, just the ones that are pedophiles. So while I dont agree with the BOA keeping gay people out, it actually is gay men abusing the boys.

Mr. Bubbs, communism is about the elimination of all difference between people and forced solidarity in almost every way. Marx didnt believe in rights or free speech. He never said anything on kiddie porn to my knowledge.

just like being gay is natural, so is pedophelia!!!
so is this the part where you libs try to seperate the 2?
you cant!!!
this happens in nature just like being gay does, see how that works you libtards!

so now you need to have parades and say that its "unconstitutional" that he cant want to have sex with little kids!!!

where is the gay and lesbian community??

Mr. President, dont you support the NATURAL rights of an adult to have sex with little kids!!!

you are bigots if you dont believe he has that right..

se now libs, doesnt it sound stupid?!
no matter how you fight it, this is an act that happens in nature.

and its so dumb that you libs want to start fighting about who is write or wrong, are you really that dumb?
i dont think there is anybody here that thinks what he did was right, but at least it not the catholic church and they are just hiding him.

Mguy, your response to me was as well thought out as erinnj's, meaning a 4 year old could have thought it out, but probably would have had better sense than to post it. Not that it matters, like erin, you will just rewrite what i said to make an argument you like.

mrbubs -

@ Trudat6445 and other conservatives:

I consider myself pro-gay rights, yet I appreciate what the Boy Scouts of America does in terms of community service. However, I and many like me dislike the notion that certain people cannot serve honorably in the Boy Scouts - or in any other organization for that matter - because they were born a certain way.

It doesn't have to be black and white where you either fervently love or passionately hate the Boy Scouts. You should, as they say, hate the sin, but love the sinner.

I have yet to see where i said anything about gays been in BSA, i specifically stated i could care less what gays do. I merely pointed out that the idiot libs on here took this article and spun it into "the boyscouts hate gays but purposely recruit pedophiles", which is obviously something only an imbecile or liberal could come up with.

And for the other idiots that keep saying because monkeys cna be gay that it should be acceptable, well animals perform acts of pedophilia too. Besides that, i thought humans different than other animals because we have the ability to rationalize thought, then i read what libs write, and i realize that theory is wrong.

Pretty sick, betcha he was a gay pedophile.

@Fox

I'm suprised he's not getting longer.

@tru

I'm almost inclined to think this might be gay retaliation.

ItIsWhatItIs

Homosexuality deals with attraction. Attraction is not a choice. Attraction is the physiological response to external stimuli. You interact with a person, a physiological response occurs... primarily the release of serotonin and dopamine. The resulting feelings you experience, caused by these chemicals, is what you know as "attraction".

The release of serotonin and dopamine are NOT a choice. You can not consciously just release these chemicals in your brain. It is physiological... beyond your control.

But you are not going to believe that, are you? No, you will try to tell me how attraction is a choice, yet provide ZERO PROOF to support your statement. It is ironic that you demand "proof" from everyone else, yet provide none yourself. But go ahead and tell me how you make the conscious choice to release those chemicals.

truedat

Not my fault you lack the intelligence to understand what the word "parallel" means. That's a personal failure on your part.

Look at the photo of this pedophile. He got beat up at one time during his life. His nose got broken and it didn't heal straight. Now when he goes to prison "I hope" maybe somebody there can break his balls next.

SARAH!! Aren't you supposed to be studying?????????

mguy -- Dang it.........I think I agree with you again.

BUT, none of this has to do with this idiot. We simply get back to Homosexual Bad versus Not So and why. Everytime. Shouldn't christians by nature and god's law be more tolerant?? Jesus sent the adulteress away and said sin no more, not get out of here you diry @##$% and throw rocks at her.

Here's what most you people don't seem to get.... It has NOTHING to do with the organization. A pedophile is a pedophile is a pedophile. Part of what they do is get involved with organizations so they can be close to children. It's part of how a pedophile operates. Most organizations try to have safety precautions in place. Blame the pedophile not the organization. Or YOU try to figure out how to better screen people

TX

Shouldn't christians by nature and god's law be more tolerant??

That would require christians to actually follow what god, or Jesus, said. And not treat the bible like a Chinese take-out menu, picking what they like, while ignoring what they don't like.

@ Trudat

You accused liberals of hating the BSA for not supporting gay rights. What I was saying that you can be opposed to an organization's stance on certain issues, but not necessarily hate that organization for it. It does not have to be a black and white issue as I feel you're making it. I agree that the BSA can and has generally done good, scandals aside. But some of us think that in some cases it can do better. Gay rights is such a case.

I think that the liberal posters were lamenting was that the BSA can oppose gay rights, yet they have in the past failed to detect and act against deviant behavior within its own ranks. To them its a kind of hypocrisy.

Bubbs you mean to say their not a 'gay" organization? Your kidding right? I thought most "gays" got their start in the BSA (boys scouting anals)

Trudat & ItIsWhat!t!s: It's funny that neither one of you has been able to come up with one piece of substantiated evidence to prove me wrong, yet both of you seem to relish flinging ad hom attacks, despite the fact that you cannot prove even one of your claims. Evidence has been provided to you that prove my claims (including the most recent evidence that homosexuality is caused by biological and genetic factors), yet you simply dismiss it -- because it completely contradicts your own pathetic, childish rants.

I wish I could see things from you points of view, but I can't get my head that far up either of your asses -- and your heads are too tightly wedged in there. How do you like looking at the world from your navels?

ckon - Here's what most you people don't seem to get.... It has NOTHING to do with the organization.

It does when that organization has a long history of covering up horrible crimes and not calling the cops.

Tigerlover- of all the ignorant statements made about the causation of homosexuality your comments take the cake! I know many gay people and not one ever said they "turned" gay because they couldn't attract a member of the opposite sex. Most of the gays I have spoken with have dated the opposite sex in an effort to please their family and freinds. I knew one girl who was engaged to a guy but broke it off (thankfully) because she knew she could not live a lie.

Straight males commit the lion's share of sex crimes- there is no close second....

Pedophiles are sexually evil and so are gay's. They use sex for twisted, impure, and for their own selfiish desires and practices. Sex is a blessing for a Man and Woman to take their love for one another to a higher level, thus proliferating and nurturing their progeny and legacy. Which if respectfully, and carefully done advances our species, and promulgates higher intelligence.

I'm a republican and I beleive there is a huge difference between gay and pedophile! You know why some people don't see a difference? Its not just to piss you off! They REALLY don't know the difference. To someone that is straight, raised straight, straight friends and family are NOT going to understand. It is not because they are stupid or ignorant. You continutally calling them ignorant does nothing to bring them to beleive the way you do, its just childish and acautlly shuts the door to understanding. Offer to go speak with people. You need to stop saying that Boy Scouts is a christian based organization just because they don't want a gay man to run it. These people put their kids in these groups to learn to be men, get confidence and feel acomplished at something. They are afraid that a gay man would have an agenda, like teaching them to be gay. Seriously my husband did not see the difference between gay and pedophile. He thinks any man that would want to have sex with another man would have sex with a young boy. A man raised hetero and feels and thinks hetero cannot understand how you seperate these two. Especially when you see so many pedophiles that are only going after young boys. They want to be taught where the cut off is.

TX,

I am!!!!!!! I'm studying Amazon.com. I'm getting addicted to the "instant video" option. Have you ever seen North Country. Great movie! :)

Creek,

Good point!

Wow! ErinNJ; you seem to be a real authority on everything. And instead of the encyclopedia of you ass; you seem to prefer the reliable cesspool of internet url to support your facts. Everyone knows if you found "it" on the internet it has to be true.

I am astounded and sickened by the liberalist attutude to propagandize the immorral and psychalogically troubled few, and their actions. In which you generalize, and associate boy scouts and conservative religions with a miniscule percent of disturbed individuals that infiltrate these groups for their own perversions. I would hope liberals had a higher degree of intelligence, but it seems you use unfortunate events like this to pervert perspectives of these groups, in which really shows your lack of grasp of reality and intelligence.

RobGC

so are gay's. They use sex for twisted, impure, and for their own selfiish desires and practices. Sex is a blessing for a Man and Woman to take their love for one another to a higher level

How dare you! I take offense to that.

As a straight man... I use sex for twisted, impure, and selfish desires all the time. How dare you insinuate that a straight guy like me does it for "love". Just the thought of that grosses me out. Love!?!?!?... bleh. You're gross.

It is not because they are stupid or ignorant.

They may not be stupid (unable to learn) but they are definitely ignorant!

"well actually" somewhere in all this socio-political rhetoric-- some of us care about the victims and punishment for the perpetrator. Not about gay/straight/God/liberal/conservative/self!

Self-agrandising, self-centered, Charlatan $hit ]=[ead. Yep! this article was all about you and your scholarly opinion.

I find it funny how everything becomes political. Now we have the liberals claiming it's all republicans and repulbican organizations whom are pediphiles and that republicans cover up or protect those that do these things. Need I remind you liberals that there is a wing in the library located in San Fran dedicated to having sex with little boys? This wing was paid for and dedicated to Hormel, yeah the canned food guy whom is liberal and a member of LAMDBA, a liberal organization which promotes sex with little boys. So please get off your high horses on this issue. WE ALL HATE PEOPLE WHOM MOLEST CHILDREN! This is not a political issue, conservative or liberal issue, it's an issue which is sick and disgusting and the only way to deal with it is to stop allowing these people to breath. YEAH a death sentence to anyone guilty of this crime. It's worse than murder because the child whom is abused now has to live with this for the rest of their life. They are ruined and probably would have rather been murdered than go through this. I don't care if anyone agrees with me because being a man whom was molested by a man I know what I am talking about. I've tried suicide, unfortunately it didn't work. My life was ruined by this a-hole whom molested me several times within a year. This goes on everywhere! My situation happened at my first job when I was a teenager, the handy man took a liking to me and I thought it was great to have a real father figure whom would teach me how to fix things. My father ignored me and it made me feel finally accepted when a man my fathers age took me under his wing to teach me things. I have no idea what political affiliation this guy was, he was a black man, most likely liberal, but could be conservative. It really doesn't matter though, does it? Doesn't to me, what matters is the fact that there are people out there who prey on kids and these people do not care what they've done to these kids mentally, they just want to have a good time at their expense.

So seriously, can we please stop demonizing someone just because they do not agree with our views? It is stupid and we tend to forget what the real problem is. This article is about a creep whom has child porn on his computer. This is a problem! This guy needs put down like a sick dog, but that won't happen. He'll most likely get probration so he can go out and ruin someones life. This will be the cycle of his life, go back to jail, get out, ruin someone else, and then do it all over again!!!!!!!!!!!!! When are we going to learn? These people do not need to be out on the streets, and again this should never be a political issue. If you really care about what happens to children you'll want people like this to go away forever.

I am a conservative man BTW whom believes that gay marriage is a great idea, whom believes that abortion is murder, and if you haven't noticed I can't stand anyone that has anything to do with child porn or pedophilia. They are the lowest of society. I am single and will be for the rest of my life. My experience has ruined how I look at sex. It has ruined me in away that I feel sometimes like people know what 'I' had done and that they are judging me for it. It sucks! I don't feel like I could ever be a roll model to any children especially if I were to have a son because of what 'I' had done with another man. It's bs and I know it but I cannot get it out of my head, no matter how much depressing therapy I go through. The death penalty is the only thing that should be considered for these people. They should never get an option to hurt anyone again.

Scott

You have to understand that the primary reason people are responding this way is because conservatives, and conservative organizations, demonize EVERYONE with a hollier-than-thou mentality. They uphold themselves as the "moral" authority, because of what some book written by desert nomads tells them.

Now, when anyone treats other people with a "hollier-than-thou", moral authority attitude, people don't respond well. If a group of people act like they are better, and "more moral", than everyone else, then people point out when they fall... and they typically fall hard.

This is human behavior. People lash out at the group demonizing them, when that group is found to be guilty of greater evils. That is how society works. I guarantee that if something like this came out about planned parenthood, you would have your pitchfork and torch ready to go. You, and every other conservative, would be screaming your religious bull-sh**, acting hollier-than-thou (like you always do), quoting some f***ing bible passage, and calling liberals "baby murdering, socialist, communist nazi, satan worshipping, immoral, blah blah blah" (whatever the new insult of the week is).

So cut the "liberals make this political" bull-sh**. Conservatives like YOU do the exact same god damn thing, every mother f***ing day.

Now you can proceed to tell me how "immoral" I am, and that I am going to hell.

niece1964 - To someone that is straight, raised straight, straight friends and family are NOT going to understand.

I'm a married straight guy and I've never confused gays with pedophiles, maybe because I'm not a bible-thumper or a moron.

It is not because they are stupid or ignorant.

Yes, it most definitely is. And a lot of it is willful ignorance since the bigots have to ignore the facts, and they do so even when the facts have repeatedly been shown to debunk their bigoted nonsense.

@ mguy-748

I hope your wife is in agreement? Otherwise your a sickafant and perculiar individual in need of pscychological assistence. Your comment has comical undertones, but seems to be the median for the under developed and unintelligent human species that is the cause of the lion's share of the sexually depraved. Such as this man, that is the subject of this article.

RobGC,

What's a sickafant?

mguy,

Wish i could upvote your 1.87 100 times.

the median for the under developed and unintelligent human species that is the cause of the lion's share of the sexually depraved

I couldn't agree more. Straight me are definitely all of that. ;)

sickafant and perculiar individual

Followed by...

under developed and unintelligent

Yes... that just happened.

I couldn't agree more. Straight me are definitely all of that. ;)

Come on, Sarah. Just because we like it dirty and naughty doesn't mean we are unintelligent. I prefer to think of it as creative and exciting. But "depraved" is right on the money.

Take the other night... let's just say it involved a bucket of vaseline, a 9-iron, a stuffed buffalo, 3 balloons filled with whip cream, and a midget woman we called "twirly"... you do the math. ;)

Sickafant is slang word that my colleagues and myself like to use to describe persons with peculiar perversions. And your votes provides a factual basis for my comments.

@Sarah, did you mean,"Straight Men", or is your spelling correct?

Take the other night... let's just say it involved a bucket of vaseline, a 9-iron, a stuffed buffalo, 3 balloons filled with whip cream, and a midget woman we called "twirly"... you do the math. ;)

Twirly's cheating on us???? WTF? And here I thought what her, Channing Tatum and I had was special?

All you libs are still pretending that the first 2 posts didnt immediately attack the BSA for being conservative and attack them for their view on gays. Which neither thing does this scumbag have to do with. But the liberal hatred doesnt care about that, you just want to attack like a bunch of school children would.

This article has ZERO to do with gays, this story has ZERO to do with gays, yet that is all that libs care about is making the issue about the BSA and gays.

Thank god the public schools allow gays to teach, or im sure all you libs would be attacking them for all the molestation that goes on, yep sure.

Oh mguy, clearly you have no idea how the "parallel" system works.

Your animalistic debaucheries has just factually proved the unadvancement of certain human bieng's intelligence and rationality. Thus, your comprehension of conservative religion will unlikey be within your scope. And your personal tendecies are just a few steps away from the subject of this news article. And YES, the premise of this comment did just occure.

animalistic debaucheries has just factually proved the unadvancement of certain human bieng's

And here I thought doggy style was an "advancement"... oh well

Has ANYBODY from the "NAMBLA" club chimed in on this thread? You got to help these folks out!

@mguy, sarah, and mr. johnson

These tendencies you have vehemently normalized, and are the characteristics you exemplify to teach your offspring and heritage. Then the mystery is solved as to the question of the spring boarding into perversions of pedophilia and homosexuality.

These tendencies you have vehemently normalized, and are the characteristics you exemplify to teach your offspring and heritage.

Good thing I don't have any offspring, then. More time for stuffed buffaloes and Mr. Tatum.

mguy, well it's nice to see that you have it all figured out and have an out for your hypocracy. You seem to like to put everyone in a nice little package and that is where they belong, according to you. In reality you cannot bundle every person in a nice little package, doesn't work that way. We are all different, we all have different views, and in reality there are many people whom do not preach to others because they understand that their life is messed up enough. So go ahead and make this issue a political issue, since that is what you'd like to do. Just remember, there are pedophiles in every walk of society, they're not all conservatives. I realize that makes the demonization a little easier for you but it is a known fact that one of the most famous pedophiles is liberal and the liberal side does protect him and what he stands for. BUT I personally (as you seem to want to believe because I'm a conserative therefore a demon) do not believe that this issue can be blamed on one group or another. For this reason I was nice enough to point out your hypocracy by giving you mister Hormel. Now, stop being an a-hole, stop defending those that do this whom are liberal and start fighting against all these people no matter political affiliation! BTW you are an a-hole, did I mention that? Have a nice evening.

Has ANYBODY from the "NAMBLA" club chimed in on this thread? You got to help these folks out!

that is a liberal orgainization, this is why it is stupid to try and make this political. As I've stated before there are pedophiles in all of society, not just one political group. Just seems on this blog there are those from one side that forget about their own. I'm sure NAMBLA doesn't see anything wrong with what this guy is doing. I doubt they'll stand up for him.

@mguy,

You say, "Holier-than-Thou", and we say, "We do not accept the liberal lifestyle." The war waged by our adversaries on the American Family by liberal thinking and acceptance of perculiar perversions has been proven over and over again to be detrimental to the peaceful marriage union. We conservatively believe and intelligently rationalized, that our progeny and heritage deserve a productive, and safe environment to develop, and thus be respectful, caring, compassionate, and loving social persons of good character.

We conservatively believe and intelligently rationalized, that our progeny and heritage deserve a productive, and safe environment to develop, and thus be respectful, caring, compassionate, and loving social persons of good character.

Well, you certainly have not "intelligently rationalized" anything. Liberals have proven to be a thousand times more "respectful, caring, compassionate, and loving social persons of good character" than any conservative could ever hope to be -- we do not try to force our own beliefs on everyone else, for one thing.

You don't have to accept the "liberal lifestyle" -- but you do have to tolerate it, just as we tolerate you and your pathetic belief in your fairy tales written by your invisible sky friend.

Here's what I'm getting from this whole conversation; it is claimed that republican/conservatives protect and fauster pedophiles withen their organizations. They have things set up to allow this sort of thing to fester withen and ignore it. Pedophiles do not exist withen liberal/democrat groups, according to the liberals, but it is okay to allow a promenant LAMBDA member to fund and open up a whole wing in a library dedicated to having sex with boys, the how to's and so on. This is okay because it is claimed that all conservatives believe they are holier than thou and preach to everyone on how to live their lives. LOL it's funny where this country is right now. I honestly hope that most people are smarter than this.

Well, you certainly have not "intelligently rationalized" anything. Liberals have proven to be a thousand times more "respectful, caring, compassionate, and loving social persons of good character" than any conservative could ever hope to be -- we do not try to force our own beliefs on everyone else, for one thing.

Conservatives give more to all charities than do Liberals so to suggest that liberals own the rights on caring, compassionate, and loving is absolutely amazing. And respectful? How often have we heard of a conservative speaker at a University being treated disrespectfully, even before they say anything? How about the way your side treated the tea party members, whom are only concerned about the economy (the only thing that they stood for). Yet the liberals up lifeted the occupy movement like it was great and those people for the most part didn't have jobs and they don't really want one. They just want to live off society. The tea parties, no violence and not problems at their rallies. Yet your side thought occupy was great even though there were drugs, rapes, and a lot of violence. So please stop with your claims anyone who pays attention knows the truth. With that said, I do not believe that liberals are bad people, they just think different than I do. Liberals have great ideas on things, just has conservatives do and when they work together everything works. And this issue, pedophiles, has nothing to do with what political party you are in.

ErinNJ,

From my perspective, liberals seem to be tolerable, caring, compasionate, and loving for people of your liberal thinking and ideals, and intolerant for groups and organizations that do not share their perspectives. You say we force our beliefs on you secularism, but all we are doing is excercising our freedoms to support our ideals and beliefs, and have the ability to reject perversive tendacies that seem to be contrary to conservative religious belief. I am not endorsing a double standard, although it is my right to not accept intrusive liberal secularism into my celebrations and beliefs. Merry CHRISTmas!

liberals seem to be tolerable, caring, compasionate, and loving for people of your liberal thinking and ideals, and intolerant for groups and organizations that do not share their perspectives.

What we are intolerant of is people who try to use the courts and legislatures to force their beliefs on the rest of us.

You say we force our beliefs on you secularism, but all we are doing is excercising our freedoms to support our ideals and beliefs, and have the ability to reject perversive tendacies that seem to be contrary to conservative religious belief.

YOU have the freedom to exercise YOUR ideals and beliefs, just as everyone else has the freedom to exercise their "perversive tendencies that seem to be contrary to conservative religious belief". In short, YOUR right to exercise YOUR beliefs ends at MY nose, so keep YOUR religion out of MY government.

Best wishes for an environmentally conscious, socially responsible, low stress, non-addictive, gender neutral, winter solstice holiday, practiced within the most joyous traditions of the religious persuasion of your choice, but with respect for the religious persuasion of others who choose to practice their own religion as well as those who choose not to practice a religion at all!

Liberals have proven to be a thousand times more "respectful, caring, compassionate, and loving social persons of good character" than any conservative could ever hope to be

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

I just read an article where a police officer was arrested for kiddy porn. An article about a doctor who had over a thousand pictures on his work computer, oh and lets not forget the multiple educators who do this. This isn't localized with religious groups it could be your closest friend.

we all, 20 educators nationwide per year vs the 2000 in the bsa... I don't condone the behavior at all, but it is prevalent among oppressive cultures ushc as the neochristianism of today.

I seem to recall a very left wing talk show host in San Francisco that had plenty of kiddie porn on his computer and claimed it was show prep reasurch....Lol!

The story about the podiatrist is a little weird... and i have mixed feelings.... for a few reasons... As a computer programmer... I could easily save 1000 "kiddie" porn images to your computer simply by going to a website i had control of... so when you Google something, and click on my website... i could save 1000 images of whatever i wanted to your computer... given it'd be in your "temporary internet files" if someone went through your computer, it'd look like you were browsing for these images... A virus could do even more work, and get you into even more trouble.. That's one of the bigger problems i have with it... Is it is ridiculously easy to frame someone for this... I could have done it before i got into high school..

Another thing is... if i took a bunch of naked pictures of myself when I was 9... and then today (I'm 25) put them on the internet... anyone that downloaded them would get in trouble.... It's weird...

I don't know the case.. and i don't really care to... but just remember... if someone has pictures on their computer... it doesn't mean they put them there, or knew they were there... or have even seen them before... someone like me could have put them there.

Patrick, 20 educators? 2000 scout leaders? Google mason Ohio schools teacher sex charges and you will get your 20 in one district....please enlighten me to your source on the 2000

Patrick93

we all, 20 educators nationwide per year vs the 2000 in the bsa... I don't condone the behavior at all, but it is prevalent among oppressive cultures ushc as the neochristianism of today.

Sure would like a cite on those out of your azz numbers you pulled.

You can't get much more oppressive than the progressive/marxist path we are being led down, now can you?

wtf are you talking about?

All the men abusing the boys, sounds like gay people were hurting children. I dont think gays should be left out of BOA, but it was gay men who abused the children.

MrBurns,

How do you know these men were gay?

No, navyvet, it doesn't make him gay, it makes him a child molester.

Navy, go educate yourself. Tom is right. You are just plain and totally wrong that molesting male children is a gay thing. It's a pedophile thing.

Children are outside the scope of homo- and heterosexuality. They have no secondary sex characteristics yet.

A man molesting boys is no more homosexual than a man molesting little girls.

It makes him dead meat in prison and well deserved. Get the guilty verdict and serve him up to the general prison population as a early chrimmas present.

Actually, navyvet, approximately 90% of all child molesters/pedophiles are heterosexual, married men; they are attracted to the age, not the gender, so whether they prey on male or female children is irrelevant.

Let me break this down just a bit more for you, Navyvet. A man attracted to another man is homosexual. A man attracted to little boys is a pedophile. Do you understand the difference now?

Note to everyone who wants to separate sexual orientation from child molestation: Please cite one published study by a recognized expert in the field that says homosexuality (or heterosexuality for that matter) and pedophilia are mutually exclusive.

denver bill 2 - Please cite one published study by a recognized expert in the field that says homosexuality (or heterosexuality for that matter) and pedophilia are mutually exclusive.

I realize that you homophobes have a difficult time wrapping your head around reality, but you can start here:

http://psychology.ucdavis.edu/rainbow/html/facts_molestation.html

Another problem related to terminology arises because sexual abuse of male children by adult men2 is often referred to as "homosexual molestation." The adjective "homosexual" (or "heterosexual" when a man abuses a female child) refers to the victim's gender in relation to that of the perpetrator. Unfortunately, people sometimes mistakenly interpret it as referring to the perpetrator's sexual orientation.

To avoid this confusion, it is preferable to refer to men's sexual abuse of boys with the more accurate label of male-male molestation. Similarly, it is preferable to refer to men's abuse of girls as male-female molestation. These labels are more accurate because they describe the sex of the individuals involved but don't implicitly convey unwarranted assumptions about the perpetrator's sexual orientation.

The distinction between a victim's gender and a perpetrator's sexual orientation is important because many child molesters don't really have an adult sexual orientation. They have never developed the capacity for mature sexual relationships with other adults, either men or women. Instead, their sexual attractions focus on children – boys, girls, or children of both sexes.

That's preposterous Navyvet. Get a grip.

It's a gay pedophile thing. Doesn't look like he molests little girls. That would make him a straight up pedo. He does the boys, which makes him a gay pedophile, IMO.

NavyVet - you missed the whole point of the article, and the difference of being gay vs. pedophile.

Toosano - You too. A grown man (or in some cases women), are pedophiles, meaning they go after little innocent children to have sex with them. Most of them probably never had a regular adult relationship in their lives, relying only on the kids to get their rocks off. Being gay has nothing to do with being a pedophile. NOTHING! Gays are attracted to their own genders, adults however, not children. They want the same things as heteros do, a family - including a spouse, kids, the American dream, etc... and there's nothing wrong with that. They deserve it just as much as any hetero - just because they're gay does not mean it's okay to try to adhere different laws to them. Everyone is equal and should be treated that way.

Big major difference between the two. Gay does not equal pedophile - a very simple concept.

This is really not that difficult to understand. Are you people who believe otherwise really that stupid that you just don't get it? Jeesh.

I think that was an attempt at humor albeit ironic.

Who cares? It's all perverted anyway. Thank the psychs for the deviant thinking so prevalent in today's society. Let's just all be gay and drugged out of our minds. Then in a generation or two it will all be over...

Gee, Seymour, you seem to be confused. Perverted would be the term that is applied to your opinions regarding homosexuality, as they are distorted and based on a misinterpretation of the actual knowledge base in regard to homosexuality. You then go on to refer to "deviant thinking" as being "prevalent". You have completely contradicted yourself. If it is deviant, it is not prevalent. If it is prevalent, it is not deviant.

Just cramming a bunch of scary sounding words together do not a coherent sentence, or thought, make.

Perhaps your reference to "drugged out" is a self reflection.

Gay, peds, rapists, etc....they all are f**ked up to me! I dont care what anyone says or does, it will never convince me that its right!! At least with gays they are only hurting themselves BUT they need to stop shoving this sh*t down America's throat all the time. I'm to the point of letting them marry so they will just f**king go away already!!! But I'm sure that wont be the end of it, they will find another reason to annoy the crap out of America. Hell I say give the queers Cali, then they can make their own laws and leave my country the hell alone!!!!! .......oops, did I go to far again or did I just say what many want to and wont because they are afraid of loosing their jobs? :)

If you are a man who molests a little girl, you are a straight pedophile. If you molest a boy, you are a gay pedophile. From what I've read, they tend to be exclusive to one sex (not all). It doesnt mean all gays are bad or whatever, but yes, they are homosexuals that are attracted to young boys.

The reason pedophile rates are higher amoung heterosexuals is because most of them are really closet homosexuals who prey on younger males who are either to young or ashamed to expose thier true sexual orientation and report them.

Most straight males dont like to admit sexual molestation by another male for fear of being ostracized, teased & or labeled. Gay men and sexual predators are very aware of this fear & exploit these children & yes sometimes even grown-azz men. This shame and fear is the same that has allowed creeps like jerry sandusky to remain undetected for so long.

BS on you, actually. Go educate yourself so you don't have to hold on to falsehoods. Being attracted to consenting adults of the same sex is homosexual. Being attracted to children, regardless of their sex, is pedophilia. Being gay has nothing to do with being a pedophile.

You heard wrong.

When the motivation behind the sexual attraction isn't "attraction" but power and control, um, no they aren't.

http://psychology.ucdavis.edu/rainbow/html/facts_molestation.html

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/6512871

last time i heard

Haven't opened your ears since the 50s huh? Besides, the article doesn't state he had sex with boys. You should re-read it and pay close attention to the words.

NAVYVET-1919903

There is no sense arguing with these people they know all about the perversions. Face it, all these people have had their whole lives to learn to argue & justify ways of life that were not accepted 20 years ago, but to them it is all normal now. It won't be long before a man & wife that have their 50 year wedding anniversary will be called queer. In today's world anything goes. Just accept it & move on.

Just accept it & move on.

Good advice.

Whenever I hear the argument that there are no gay men that molest little boys because only pedophiles do that, it makes me want to laugh out loud. So, of the thousands, maybe millions of pedophiles in this country not one of them is gay? REALLY? That's almost as laughable as when that Arab ruler was on TV declaring that there are no homosexuals in his country.

Face it all you apologists & denyers: Of COURSE there are gay pedophiles because no matter what groups there are, some of those group members will be GAY. And if a man seems to molest mainly or exclusively boys...Yeah -- I have no problem with saying that he must be a gay pedophile. And Save all your links and double-talking psycho-babble, sometimes common sense has to win.

Heterosexuals are attracted to adults of the opposite sex; gay people are attracted to adults of the same sex; pedophiles are attracted to children. They are attracted to the age, usually the child is not sexually developed, and the gender of the child is not the attraction, it's the age. It has to do with control and access. Wouldn't you be a lot more suspicious of a male trying to have "private time", or have occasion to be in a private situation like a bathroom or locker room, or occasions for sleep-over type events (Scouts) with an unrelated young girl than a young boy?

As an aside, no where in the article does it say anything about the gender of the victims. Only that this guy was an Eagle Scout and held a position in the Scout organization.

Navyvet, if you assign sexual roles gender based or not to five year olds, then you sir may have a problem. Children are children, and, in this country at least are not sexual objects, unless of course you are some kind of a sick pedophile. The problem is that this is a country full of sick pedophiles. Many of whom just so happen to be homophobes as well.

Well said, ram, Sarah, and Spaceman. Being an adult attracted to another adult of the same sex is gay, being sexually attracted to a child is about control, sex of the victim is a secondary factor, for the most part. It's more a question of availability/accessibility of "A" victim, rather than the sex of the victim, or whether the perv themselves identify as gay or straight.
Homosexuality and Pedophilia have nothing to do with each other.

The Boy Scouts was once a wonderful organization. The whole idea is a good thing. Girl Scouts too. The core idea is worthwhile, and teaches many good ideas and skills to children, that enables them to grow into good people.

But it seems that they have went a little heavy on the religious side (not really religious myself). The teaching of nature skills and the environment, camping skills, etc. are good for all, regardless of religion. When I was involved, it was through my public grade school. A neighboring pack of Boy and Cub Scouts were from a Catholic grade school, but knew them anyway from the neighborhood. My son is a Scout, nearing Eagle (maybe), through his Catholic HS in my ex wife's parish. Good friend is an Eagle, as is his oldest son, (both via public schools). Point is, they draw boys from many sources, not just religious schools and churches, so they really need to stress religion and religious attitudes, and just work on good moral attitudes. Teach tolerance, but not blind acceptance of stupidity. It's okay to be gay or straight, everyone is wired how they are wired, and that's just how they are, and you, I, or they can't change that, and don't be a slut, and practice safe sex. Best wait til marriage, but if you can't, be smart about it.

I see no real reason why gays or lesbians can't be scoutmasters and other positions within Scouting. With a few provisions, that is. If that person is a parent (biological or adopted) of a child able to be a member of the pack/troop. The persons relationship status should not really be an issue ( is it an issue for straight single moms?) but a gay or lesbian person in a long term committed relationship should always be considered a plus. While the Catholic Church does sponsor a lot of packs, and puts a lot of money into Scouting, they really should just sign the checks and stfu for the good of the kids and worry about their own house.

Now, in this case..... well this just blows everything all to hell, doesn't it. Kid grew up in scouting, made Eagle Scout, and ends collecting kiddie porn. Hopefully, it was just pictures, and he never acted on any real kids. There are many other things going on in this guys head, and none of them good. Hopefully, someday will figure out how our brains really work, and a find a way to fix people like this. Could anyone really have seen this coming?

jbird: Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is Persian, not an Arab.

As a short time Scout in 1st or 2nd grade and as an observer today working for a school district (which involves dealing with this organization) I know several things to be facts (not my opinion, but solid facts):

1) The Boy Scouts attracts the extreme cases of those who are socially-challenged... (in their ranks from leaders down to the kids and their parents)

2) Parents that believe the Scouts will toughen up their nerdy kids, are totally mislead and wrong

3) Some of the worst kids (if you really know their character) seem to become Eagle Scouts while most of the other kids forced to join just casually go through the motions and don't really like being there all that much, the best-charactered kids don't go up the ranks and feel out of place

4) The Scouts attracts pedophiles (and yes also gays, but just being gay by no means translates into being an abuser) by the hordes!

5) And finally, most of Scout parents are too interwined and "punch-drunk" in the social aspects of the organization and nearly all possess a type of personality that renders the ill-equipped to deal with (and understand/detect) the complexities of the abuse structure... They also suffer as a result from serious cases of DENIAL...

These are solid proven -well known- facts.

justify ways of life that were not accepted 20 years ago, but to them it is all normal now.

Gee, Kevin. Twenty years ago, the pedophile would have had his pornography hidden under the mattress instead of stored on his computer. Wouldn't have been acceptable then, and is no more acceptable now. But it does make it a lot easier to detect those with pedophillia, and to keep them away from out children.

Pedophilia is pathological, and it was pathological 20 years ago, and is pathological today. This article is about a pedophile who, through his BSA activities, had ready access to the population he chooses to victimize. That is never acceptable. In any decade.

Shift Lock -- I am curios as to where you got your FACTS, you couldn't be further from the truth on ALL of your points:

1) The scouts in our troop are a far cry fro "socially-challenged". The cross section of boys I speak of are good students, active in many other extracurriculars beyond scouting, and are forced to be more open-minded and self-confident than their peers because of the challenges they get from peers who do not understand the organization. This has always been the case.

2) I've seen this happen "first hand" to several young men as both a scout and as a leader.

3) Boy Scouting draws from a cross section of America, boys of all varieties. And it is the boys of the BEST character that remain interested and advance.

4) This is simply not true. As with any large organization, there will be bad eggs that slip through a constantly improving screening process. But the Pedophile scout or leader is by no means a representation of the vast majority of those involved.

5) Quite the contrary. I'm not sure what social aspects you are speaking of. Generally, scout troops need additional good leaders, parents are not stumbling over each other worried about social aspects at all.

I can see though your response enough to realize that it is no more than a silly attempt to incite argument.

I hope Sarah and the other "informed" people know that there is no study that shows sexual attraction to adults and children are mutually exclusive. You can be a gay pedophile and be attracted to boys, or a straight one and be attracted to girls, while still being attracted to the adults in the sex as well. This is in no way saying gays are evil or abusive, but obviously there are some gay pedophiles, just as there are straight pedophiles. Its not option C.

Mr. Burns,

What you fail to acknowledge, is that the sexual orientation is independent of the pedophilia. That's why a straight man, can abuse a boy and still be straight.

Sorry, got interrupted. Nobody's saying that there aren't some gay men who are pedophiles, what we're saying is that the act of and adult male abusing a boy, while making someone a pedophile, does NOT make someone gay. And, by the way, the vast majority of childhood sexual abuse is male on female, so really, if we're going with the whole "orientation" is dependent on pedophilia argument, straights are the biggest perps of all.

This is the one thing that makes me crazy.Being Pedophile has absolutely NOTHING to do with being GAY!

People who are attracted to children have a mental illness! People who prefer someone of the same sex is

not a mental illness! Get it! Stop comparing the 2, it is 100% not the same thing.

Sarah,

I agree that straights are the biggest perps of all since more girls get molested than boys. I am in no way condemning gay people. I have gay friends (yes I know its an overused line), am for them getting married, stand up for them when I can, but I cannot separate facts. Some gay people also get married and have kids since society tells them its normal and they are afraid to do otherwise. Men who abuse male children are gay pedophiles, and vice versa. There is, again, no study that shows that pedophiles are only attracted to children. And a vast majority of the cases that you hear about, the perp only victimized one gender. Such as Sandusky and boys, and countless men and girls. Neither are worse than the other, but if people dont acknowledge facts, then nothing will be done to right any wrongs since we are too concerned about being PC. Gays are not bad people, gay pedophiles are just as bad as straight ones, not worse.

When did education become religion, when did the medical field become religion or when did all police officers become religion. It has nothing to do with an organization it has to do with the people within. As I stated earlier, it could be your closest friend.

Dont you notice how they abuse male children? Gay pedophiles. It doesnt mean gay people are bad as a whole, but yes, the gay pedophiles do seem to be a problem in some organizations.

I'll just leave these here too, then...

http://psychology.ucdavis.edu/rainbow/html/facts_molestation.html

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/6512871

pe·do·phile

[pee-duh-fahyl] S

noun, Psychiatry.
an adult who is sexually attracted to young children.

Please note the difference between homosexual and pedophile. Please also note that the definition of pedophile makes no differentiation between boys or girls.

So he's a homosexual/pedophile?

Back East

We have no idea if he is attracted to Men.

And please note he chose to work with the boy scouts because he is a...

ho·mo·sex·u·al

/ˌhōməˈsekSHo͞oəl/
Adjective

(of a person) Sexually attracted to people of one's own sex.

children are people right? or are you democrats still trying to debate who and who you can't abort?

Actually, Jenny, he chose to work with Boy Scouts because he is a

pe·do·phile

[pee-duh-fahyl]

noun, Psychiatry.
an adult who is sexually attracted to young children.

Pedophiles are attracted to the age, not the gender. See if you can spot the differences in those two words: age -- gender. Do they or do they not mean the same things?

are you democrats still trying to debate who and who you can't abort?

There IS no debate, Jenny; abortion is legal. Deal with it, and get over yourself.

BTW, it would help if you would stop using the encyclopedia of your ass as a resource.

Well said, ErinNJ. You beat me to the punch.

But Jenny probably thinks she's a Christian simply because she goes to church; not because she's actually read the Bible, understands it, and lives the way Jesus Christ did.

Jenny Wernerr

Ok Jenny you seem to be pushing this quite hard what is your agenda? Perhaps you don't like gay people so this somehow proves they are all bad or want to think that a straight person could/would never do this. Sexuality is irrelevant in this case as proven over and over again by people many times more qualified than myself and obviously more so than yourself as you have demonstrated by your clumsy attempt to copy paste from the first online dictionary you stumbled across.

Your definition shows a complete ignorance of the psychological and medical definition of pedophilia. You are embarrassing yourself. Please, stop.

Everybody! Stop! Slow down! There's nothing in the article stating he's a homosexual. He was in possession of child pornography on his computer. THAT is what he's being charged for and nothing else. He has also not been charged with pedophilia. He simply had hundreds of images of child porn on his pc. Chill!

ProFreedom-5130956 - He has also not been charged with pedophilia. He simply had hundreds of images of child porn on his pc.

That crime would be a clue that he shouldn't be working with children, even if he hasn't raped any kids yet.

skrekk- You win the award for the biggest DUH! comment of the year!

Libs, most stories you hear on pedophiles show them to be attracted to one sex of children. Also, they have been shown to be attracted to both children and adults. So yes, you can be a gay pedophile or a straight one. He didnt do it because he was homosexual, but rather because he was a homosexual pedophile. Which are just as bad as straight pedophiles btw.

ErinNJ, you missed the most important part of your definition of pedophelia; "young children". Cub Scouts are young children. Boy Scouts are young men. This guy is a gay as the day is long.

Let's see your a male and you rape little boys or fiddle them or what ever it is you do.But your not a homo sexual?

Your a male and you rape little girls or fiddle them or whatever it is you do. But your not hetrosexual?

Your a male and you rape little boys or fiddle them or whatever it is you do. But you have regular sex with your wife who is of legal age. But your not bi sexual

Your just an pedophile thats asexual?

What sad pathetic excuses for human beings there are. More opposite sex abuses takes place than same sex, and here's another surprise, pedophiles will seek out both sexes, rarely are they exclusive to just one. What that means for the silly little religious hypocrites here is that statistically, your children are more likely to be abused by your own minister than some gay guy walking down the street. In fact your children are more likely to be molested by one of your own family.

Ahh.. so he wasn't gay... he's just attracted to small penises.. I see the difference.... Lots of you need to worry....

"...the apparently rampant pedophilia in the Boy Scouts gives new meaning to the group's name". LOVE IT!! Hahahaha!!

I was pretty proud of myself when I came up with that ;) It can't be the first time someone's made the connection.

He was a gay pedophile that did this. Not all gay people are bad, but refusing to acknowledge this does not help homosexuals case. There are bad people in every categorization of people. If we dont acknowledge this, we can do nothing to stop it.

MrBurns,

The problem with your argument is that when a man does it to a girl, no one screams: "those damn straight pedophiles!"

Everyone just says pedophile. But for some reason, when it's man on boy, people start calling out these "gay" pedophiles.

I would have to object to the notion that the BoyScouts teach tolerance and Citizenship.

Why would you have to object to that? I believe you are confusing the organizations stance with the actual information and teaching at a scout meeting. My son has been involved in Scouting for 4 years, and there has NEVER been an utterance of intolerance or anything that would be construed as not promoting good citizenship. When he is old enough to understand the stance that the organization has, he will be old enough to make his own decisions on if he wants to participate in Scouting any further. But until then, or until I witness any of those beliefs being pressed onto the children he will continue as long as he wants.

That you implicitly endorse the BSA's bigotry and homophobia, as well as its criminal negligence (to say the least) in covering up the nearly 2,000 cases of sexual abuse that has occurred within the organization over the past 40+ years -- and your endorsement of all of that is implicit in your defense of them, as well as your continued permission for your son to participate in the organization -- tells us all we need to know about you.

Where did I "Implicitly" endorse the BSA's bigotry and homophobia? By just allowing my son to be a Scout? Are you high? I defended what they are teaching my son, not that they are anti-gay. I stated I do NOT support that stance, but what he is learning from people I know and trust in Scouting (Neighbors and family friends) If by your logic just participating endorses or condones what they have done, well, I guess that anyone who has their child go to church is implicitly endorsing child abuse because they know that the Church has also covered up abuse and molestation for decades. Same with anyone who has their child in a daycare, documented cases of daycare facilities covering up molestation to protect their image, or schools (Public and private) that have had pedophiles and homophobes employed. So the best place for our children is home-schooled and reading the bible themselves. Oh, don't want to forget those pesky relatives (Parents included) that no one wants to speak about, but "Everyone" knows is kind of strange.

Just-a-guy,

The majority of local scouting groups are actually very good and do demonstrate the leadership that the Scout;s stand for. However how is it possible to say the same for the top level of the organization, they do not and smear the good name of the Scouts every-time they spout their intolerance.

If my son was about to earn his Eagle Scout and then was denied becasue he was gay I would question their teaching on tolerance and Citizenship, and I would do so vocally and with great vigor.

ErinNJ - I stated my opposition to the BSA stance in another comment. My apologies to you that I did not cite the proper chain for you to reference:

"Wrongly, the organization equates being Gay with being a pedophile. They feel they are just covering their butts by eliminating a group because they fear what they don't understand. I wholly support what Scouting teaches young boys, but do not agree with the Anti-Gay stance. Pedophiles can be ANYONE. They do not always stand out in a crowd, they are not always the ones wearing a trenchcoat and nothing else, anymore than a Gay person is flamboyant and expressing their sexuality."

I am truly sorry for you and your son's experience on his earning the rank of Eagle Scout. NOTHING can take away what he has accomplished to meet the standards for the rank, and it obviously proves that he is an outstanding young man with great courage.

Krestov - Guess I need to learn how to read better. Sorry for the incorrect interpretation of your last comment. I truly do understand your stance here. I am just of the belief that if an organization has something good to offer, than it should be taken, if it has value. To just completely drop the whole organization because those at the top are showing stupidity, then Democrats would boycott all businesses with Republican owners and vise versa.

Just-a-Guy, I understand your position even if I wouldn't myself allow my kids to be involved in the BSA (if I had any boys rather than all girls). My sister and some friends of mine support their boys in scouting but they also let their kids know exactly what the failings of the organization are so they're going into it with their eyes open in regards to the BSA's bigotry against gays and atheists. And the local troops they're involved with all oppose the BSA's bigotry.

I can see it from both sides a little but I'm not sure which will improve the BSA faster - having more enlightened members to force change from within, or losing members and becoming even more insular with just Mormon and Southern Baptist members.

Just-a-Guy1234

I hope you noted I also agreed with you on the in general positive out come of the scouts as long as the HQ does not get involved. There was a positive out come for us at the local level for us.

I don't care how deep in the closet someone is buried. I don't care if they're married to an opposite sex person and have 30 kids. You molest same sex you are gay. Period.

I think it's disgusting that the media makes a bigger deal out of the fact that this man was a boyscout then out of his real crime. Did he hurt any scouts? Was he accused of hurting scouts? Was his name on the list the scouts released? NO. There are no accusations to that effect whatsoever. So why bring it up at all SENSATIONALISM. pure and simple. If there were charges to that effect I could understand, and there may be those who come forward now that he's been caught. But why drag the boyscouts thru the mud?

You molest same sex you are gay. Period.

Not according to the medical experts. I'll take their word for it over your pathetic attempt to "diagnose". Period.

Pedophile...Sexually attracted to children. CHILD MOLESTER.

Please take some time to educate yourself to the difference between the two. They are not one and the same.

NAVYVET-1919903

YOu are embarrassing yourself on these pages. Stop while you still can!

Navyvet, did you take a bullet to the head in the service?

When I hear that someone had sex with a pet, my next question isn't, "Well, was it a dog, or a cat?" It doesn't matter because it was a FREAKIN' ANIMAL and shouldn't have happened regardless. The same is true when it comes to children.

Funny you should say that Sarah. This is guy IS gay.

Gay pedophile. Do you all feel better now?

Either way, nobody cares about your Bible.

Navyvet, this navyWIFE says STFU.

There are more facts in "Everybody Poops," then there are in your bible

NAVYVET-1919903 - either way...both are sins in the bible

Pedophilia and the rape of children is endorsed by your bible, not condemned. Just ask the young Midianite girls.

Why don't we inject politics into the discussion while we're at it!

Sarah said:

Either way, nobody cares about your Bible.

That might be your opinion at this point in your development. I'm sure you are familiar with Pascal's Wager (Gambit)?

That might be your opinion at this point in your development

Nope, I'm pretty sure that regardless of how the rest of my life plays out, I'll still understand the concept that religions and Biblical interpretations are personal.

Just like I'm sure no one cares whether I wager on the existence of God or not.

I'm sure you are familiar with Pascal's Wager

Pascal's Wager is exceedingly weak to use in any discussion.

It relies on the threats associated with belief.

Very amusing that ProFreedom's faith is rooted in the fear of being tortured by his imaginary friend, after his brain and nervous system no longer function.

allswell- so do you have a better alternative? It was only a suggestion to consider and nothing more.

skrekk- I never displayed my faith- only made a consideration. Try not making such weak responses to posts- you only reveal your own ignorance.

Sarah- you are right, it is personal. So be it. By the way, you have the prettiest smile!

ProFreedom,

Thank you, sir! Or, ma'am??? :)

Actually thats incredibly false Sarah. You may not care about the Bible, but Billions of people on the planets do. I disagree with Navyvet, but yeah people do actually care about the Bible, it is a fact that they do.

Mr. Burns,

Sure they care. But caring about it personally, and caring about it in policy and caring about OTHER people's interpretations of it, are three very different things.

Cameron.... You're displaying stupidity in public without a license I see...

No, child molesters are NOT allowed in Scouts... they infiltrate organizations where they can find prey. If they get past detection, they are kicked out and arrested. Same thing in day care and many other places. Go read up on California school teachers.... handing out sperm cookies..

Back East

Sorry you obviously missed the reports on the Boy Scouts NOT reporting incidences of child molestation so perhaps an apology to Cameron Ford's correct observation is in order :

"....in more than 500 cases, the Scouts were the ones initially notified, and in 80 percent of those instances, there is no record of the abuse being reported to authorities..."

I understand your sentiment, Cory, but I don't think it's always that simple. I do believe that there are a few individuals out there whose compulsions are so strong that it is all they see. The desire is so strong that it overrides any sense of right vs. wrong and they don't care about punishment. This doesn't apply just to pedophilia, but to a full range of mental illnesses.

Unfortunately, for those (like this guy) who are caught, they are convicted and put into prison. There, they just become a number and are not given the help they truly need to overcome these compulsions. Our prison system is so overwhelmed right now that individuals are locked away as punishment but there is often little done to actually reform/rehabilitate them.

Apparently ignorance is bliss eh Cappy? Of course those people put on their applications that they like to have sex with children or look at pictures of children (Sarcasm). And they have a check box for perversity, just like they do for sexual orientation (More sarcasm) Wrongly, the organization equates being Gay with being a pedophile. They feel they are just covering their butts by eliminating a group because they fear what they don't understand. I wholly support what Scouting teaches young boys, but do not agree with the Anti-Gay stance. Pedophiles can be ANYONE. They do not always stand out in a crowd, they are not always the ones wearing a trenchcoat and nothing else, anymore than a Gay person is flamboyant and expressing their sexuality.

"covering their butts". <tee, hee> (sorry)

They are gay pedophiles.

Too many closet pervs and way too many bigots out of the closet.

TYFYBS Navyvet

What does that have to do with anything, navyvet? We are not a "Christian nation".

72% claim to be Christian. I can claim to be Martian, but that doesn't make me one.

I would say a "fool" would be one who blindly follows whatever a 2,000 year old book tells them, and there are multiple versions of the same book, to boot. You go to your church every Sunday, then go home and judge everyone else. The priest you just finished listening to, he goes home, changes into his scoutleader outfit, and goes to den meetings. You gettin where I'm goin? Here, I will spell it out. The guy up at the alter that you put all your "faith" into is so many times the same guy who is assaulting these children. Word of advice, not the best thread to be bragging about being a christian....

What about the liberal progressive Christians.

People assume liberals can't be Christian... it's weird... The only person I know who goes to church EVERY week is a liberal... strange... i know.

Jesus didnt steal from people to give it to the poor like liberals so they may be mutually exclusive. ;)

No I dont believe that.

Yes it is baiting.

hahahahaha

Judge not, lest you be judged in your turn, hypocrite.

If asking a higher power to save us from ignorant people like you actually worked, then you can bet I'd be kneeling & praying all day long, Navyvet.

Oh, and a little English lesson for you. The word "till" refers to a cash register. I believe you were looking for the word until or abbreviated (properly) 'til. Also, Bible is always capitalized.

As a side note, Navyvet, going to church every Sunday and condemning people based on a few Bible verses does not get you into Heaven.

As a side note, Navyvet, going to church every Sunday and condemning people based on a few Bible verses does not get you into Heaven
_______________

I'm glad you believe that. That's exactly what the Bible says as well.

Any Christians on here who are condemning other people or spreading hate for other people based on their lifestyles is misguided and honestly should read the Bible a bit more closely.

In response to flbikerchick - You quoted Matthew 7:1 but I'm not exactly sure you understand it.

When Jesus said that we should not judge unless we be judged also, he was not saying that we are to never judge if behavior is sin or not. What he was doing was giving us a caution to make sure that we are willing to be judged by the same standard of judgment. This verse is not a warning against judging an action. It is a warning against self deception and hypocrisy.

It's not that we can't say certain things are wrong, but we should be prepared to be judged with the same amount we use on the other person. Reinforcing that in everything we do we should do in love.

NOW that being said, I do not believe that we as believers should/have the right to hold non-believers to the same standard that we hold ourselves. Just as I do not want to be held to the standards of Islam why should you be held to the standards of Christianity? I think this is where many modern and many young Christians have failed in their understanding and I apologize for it.

To the Christians reading this post before YOU post please take time to read John 3:17

"¹⁷ For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved."

Focus on that first part. He wasn't sent to condemn, and if Jesus, being perfect, wasn't sent to condemn others who weren't perfect. Then think. How can you not being perfect yourself, and you're only saving quality being the salvation of Jesus', pass condemnation on anyone else?

Think about it.

Hey Tom-1921301-1921301,

Here is a little English lesson for you. Your use of the ampersand is incorrect for formal written English, which you seem to be so anal-retentive about. Can you please enlighten us on how one gets into Heaven.

Im pretty sure he is a troll.