LOL -- good job, Herewegoagain!

Or in YOUR house.........

herewegoagain,

Closet homosexuals(they choose boys) are the ones who inflirtrated the catholic church BSA and other institutions. if it walks/talks like a duck it is a duck, Admit it.

Closet homosexuals(they choose boys) are the ones who inflirtrated the catholic church BSA and other institutions. if it walks/talks like a duck it is a duck, Admit it.

Of course the problem with your contention continues to be the fact that male-male pedophilia is committed 90% of the time by heterosexual, married men.

Good point, but I think the BSA has already merged with the Southern Baptist and Mormon churches.

-god,

Oops, another stupid remark from you. Oh no, not stupid necessarily, perhaps just willfully ignorant.

Read and learn, if your bigotry will allow you:

OK, all of you religious and Scout haters, check this out: http://www.redstate.com/roetenks/2009/08/14/pedophilia-only-a-catholic-sin/ . There is more information available and I can show you if you want.

Or do you just hate Catholics?

shrekk,

Nope, BSA is non-denominational. Many churches do sponsor troops but not just Christian churches. That is becasue Scouts are not necessarily Christian. They have many awards for devotion and service to many different religions; not just Christians.

Stan- being gay is not being a pedophile...think of all the so-called straights that have molested children...Pedophilia is attraction to CHILDREN...please understand this...gays and lesbians are in adult, consentual relationships. This type of ignorant thinking HAS to stop. Thank you.

Not in lib-world it wouldn't. In fact, in lib-world, being a homosexual is a prerequisite for just about everything, especially things involving children.

Again- ignorant people, one more time: being gay is not equal to pedophilia...Pedophiles like young children and all the sickness that goes with it...Gays and lesbians are in ADULT CONSENUSAL relationships. Why is this so hard to understand? Shall we discuss all the so-called "straights" that molest children? Again, being straight or gay does not equate with pedophilia...pedophilia is in a totally different sick category.

No he is not gay...understand the difference PLEASE. You are perpetuating ignorant thinking...we cannot have any more of that please. Thank you.

I do believe that there is a MUCH larger population of heterosexual pedophiles than gay pedophiles. It isn't the gay population that parents have to watch out for!

All the Libs out there need to get grip on what you are saying. This guy was a BOY scout leader, NOT a CUB scout leader. The difference between a boy and a man in our society is an arbitrary number. The fact of the matter is that the vast majority of Boy Scouts are sexually mature. This has nothing to do with pedophelia. He is Gay. He likes young, fresh sexually mature young men. Period.

Stop making the silly argument that there are more heterosexual pedophiles check your numbers, comparing a minority(gays 10-25%) with heterosexuals(majority 75-90%) is not an accurate reflection by virtue of numbers. all things being even, i would bet gays make up the majority of pedophiles.

And you'd be WRONG. Approximately 90% of all pedophiles/child molesters are heterosexual, married men.

If you had any proof to back up you bull@!$%#...

Didn't think so.

Erin,

Just because you cuss does NOT make your point any more valid. 90% percent you say?...is that not also the difference between the straight & gay population?

your 90% is like saying there are less murders in chicago when compared to the rest of the country. real smart... NOT!

And foxontrees just because you're a BIGOT doesn't make your statement true or even close to being valid.

So, foxontrees, you're saying that if 90% of all pedophiles/child molesters are heterosexual, married men, then the other 10% are ALL gay men -- and straight and lesbian women ARE NOT pedophiles/child molesters, so they could not be part of that 10%, too?

I would tell you to use your brain and think for once, but it is clear that you, like the other bigots posting here, do not have the tools necessary for that.

Just because you cuss does NOT make your point any more valid. 90% percent you say?...is that not also the difference between the straight & gay population?

Lets try and spell this out so that even a child could understand.

100 people commit male on male pedophile actions.

90 of them are heterosexual, married men.

100-90 = 10

10 people now must be divided up between: unmarried heterosexuals, and homosexuals (both married and unmarried).

Considering unmarried heterosexual men far outnumber homosexuals, a populace comparison would hold that at least 7 out of those 10 must be unmarried heterosexuals.

That means 3 out of 100 are homosexuals.

Ain't education fun? Now you try.

At least you guys aint denying that there are pedo's within your ranks. That is good enough for me, if straights can take responsibility for having pedos so should gays.

Foxontrees, allswell and I are straight, and we know that there are pedophiles "within our ranks". We also know that there are many closeted homosexuals who like to portray themselves as anti-gay -- and you certainly fit that description.

But how like an ignorant bigot to ASSume that we're gay because we support equality.

erinnj,

I was following you until you accused me of being a closet homo, which is very similiar to the shame tatic gays use to silence their victims(sorry i'm happily married to a beatiful woman.) i would venture to say that you're the closested one since you claim to be straight. yet you vehemently defend a lifestyle you claim is not your own.

Since 54% of Americans support equality, and only 5-10% of the population is gay, then even you, with your limited math skills, should be able to tell that that would mean that many heterosexuals (like me and allswell) support equality. Furthermore, there are studies that support the supposition that you are closeted (despite your protest that you are married to a "beautiful woman," because many gay men marry women for various reasons):

Homophobes Might Be Hidden Homosexuals

A new analysis of implicit bias and explicit sexual orientation statements may help to explain the underpinnings of anti-gay bullying and hate crimes

By Jeanna Bryner and LiveScience

Homophobes should consider a little self-reflection, suggests a new study finding those individuals who are most hostile toward gays and hold strong anti-gay views may themselves have same-sex desires, albeit undercover ones.

The prejudice of homophobia may also stem from authoritarian parents, particularly those with homophobic views as well, the researchers added.

"Sometimes people are threatened by gays and lesbians because they are fearing their own impulses, in a sense they 'doth protest too much,'" Ryan told LiveScience. "In addition, it appears that sometimes those who would oppress others have been oppressed themselves, and we can have some compassion for them too, they may be unaccepting of others because they cannot be accepting of themselves."

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=homophobes-might-be-hidden-homosexuals

New Study Links Homophobia with Homosexual Arousal

August 1996 Press Release

WASHINGTON -- Psychoanalytic theory holds that homophobia -- the fear, anxiety, anger, discomfort and aversion that some ostensibly heterosexual people hold for gay individuals -- is the result of repressed homosexual urges that the person is either unaware of or denies. A study appearing in the August 1996 issue of the Journal of Abnormal Psychology, published by the American Psychological Association (APA), provides new empirical evidence that is consistent with that theory.

Researchers at the University of Georgia conducted an experiment involving 35 homophobic men and 29 nonhomophobic men as measured by the Index of Homophobia scale. All the participants selected for the study described themselves as exclusively heterosexual both in terms of sexual arousal and experience.

Each participant was exposed to sexually explicit erotic stimuli consisting of heterosexual, male homosexual and lesbian videotapes (but not necessarily in that order). Their degree of sexual arousal was measured by penile plethysmography, which precisely measures and records male tumescence.

Men in both groups were aroused by about the same degree by the video depicting heterosexual sexual behavior and by the video showing two women engaged in sexual behavior. The only significant difference in degree of arousal between the two groups occurred when they viewed the video depicting male homosexual sex: 'The homophobic men showed a significant increase in penile circumference to the male homosexual video, but the control [nonhomophobic] men did not.'

Broken down further, the measurements showed that while 66% of the nonhomophobic group showed no significant tumescence while watching the male homosexual video, only 20% of the homophobic men showed little or no evidence of arousal. Similarly, while 24% of the nonhomophobic men showed definite tumescence while watching the homosexual video, 54% of the homophobic men did.

When asked to give their own subjective assessment of the degree to which they were aroused by watching each of the three videos, men in both groups gave answers that tracked fairly closely with the results of the objective physiological measurement, with one exception: the homophobic men significantly underestimated their degree of arousal by the male homosexual video.

http://www.philosophy-religion.org/handouts/homophobia.htm

At least you guys aint denying that there are pedo's within your ranks. That is good enough for me, if straights can take responsibility for having pedos so should gays.

Your problem is that if 3 out of 100 do it, in your mind the other 97 must be the same.

Utter idiocy as evidenced by your trail of posts.

but now find it somehow wrong that there are homosexual pedophiles among their ranks.

90% of all man on boy abuse was found to be performed by heterosexual, married men.

So tell me, who's the real pervert?

More facts:

Dr. Carole Jenny and her colleagues reviewed 352 medical charts, representing all of the sexually abused children seen in the emergency room or child abuse clinic of a Denver children's hospital during a one-year period (from July 1, 1991 to June 30, 1992). The molester was a gay or lesbian adult in fewer than 1% in which an adult molester could be identified – only 2 of the 269 cases (Jenny et al., 1994).

...

In yet another approach to studying adult sexual attraction to children, some Canadian researchers observed how homosexual and heterosexual adult men responded to slides of males and females of various ages (child, pubescent, and mature adult) ...

The researchers found that homosexual males responded no more to male children than heterosexual males responded to female children (Freund et al., 1989).

http://psychology.ucdavis.edu/rainbow/html/facts_molestation.html

What you say is offensive...first of all saying homosexual pedophile is incorrect...he is a PEDOPHILE not a homosexual....Homosexuals are attracted to consenting ADULTS...they do not prey on children and all the mind control that goes with that sickness...So tired of the ignorance and hatred towards gays when confusing gayness with pedophilia...please, there is a huge difference....Would you hate that since you are straight I called you a "straight pedophile"? You getting this yet? Stop grouping gays into a very sick and ill group. Thank you.

Nope, swell, if a man is molesting little boys, that makes him a homosexual peophile. Otherwise he'd be molesting little girls. Sorry it doesn't fit the agenda, but it's true.

But he COULD be a homosexual and a pedophile. They are not mutually exclusive perversions.

33, If I were molesting little girls, you would have every right to call me a straight pedophile. If I were to molest little boys, I would expect to be called a homosexual pedophile. I do neither, and I have sex (when I can) with females. So I am neither pedophile nor homosexual. Keep the lib tactics of name-calling and insults to yourself. People who speak the truth are not necessarily ignorant or hateful, but that's a very popular tactic used by libs to shut others down when they disagree. You are ignorant and hateful for not allowing an opposing view. Typical lib.

Nope, swell, if a man is molesting little boys, that makes him a homosexual peophile. Otherwise he'd be molesting little girls. Sorry it doesn't fit the agenda, but it's true.

You continue to be incorrect.

Under psychological definitions:

Homosexual pedophile: pedophile with sexual attraction to adults of the same sex

Heterosexual pedophile: pedophile with sexual attraction to adults of the opposite sex

The gender of the abused child is irrelevant. Pedophilia is an attraction to age, classified as a paraphilia.

Yea, people need to stop "sexualizing" children... the whole idea of pedophilia is the child has to be pre-pubescent.. before their genitals have developed... after their genitals have developed it's no longer pedophilia.... It's the same thing as saying there's homosexual zoophilia (beastiality) and heterosexual zoophilia... based on the sex of the animal. (the sex of the animal is irrelevant to the fetish)

Swell, all I hear from you is agenda, agenda, agenda. Spin it with lib-speak all you want. It doesn't make it so.

All the Libs out there need to get grip on what you are saying. This guy was a BOY scout leader, NOT a CUB scout leader. The difference between a boy and a man in our society is an arbitrary number. The fact fo the matter is that the vast majority of Boy Scouts are sexually mature. This has nothing to do with pedophelia. He is Gay. He likes young, fresh sexually mature young men. Period.

Swell, all I hear from you is agenda, agenda, agenda. Spin it with lib-speak all you want. It doesn't make it so.

All I hear from you is the sound of your little feet running away.

You can't face the fact that your contentions have zero basis in fact.

If a man chooses to have sex exclusively with 16 or 17 year old boys(who can probadly kick his azz)he is not gay?... he's a pedophile because the sex of the victim doesnt matter, its all about control? Yeah right!

We will NEVER as a society eliminate sexual abuse crimes as long as we protect those who are predisposed to commit them.

And if said man chooses to have sex exclusively with 16 or 17yr old girls.

Thats like saying we cant eliminate the crime of rape as long as we protect those men who are predisposed to having sex with girls.

take your bigoted hate crap elsewhere.

he's a pedophile because the sex of the victim doesnt matter, its all about control? Yeah right!

Yeah.

Try and get an education before speaking again. Yours is sorely lacking in reality.

We will NEVER as a society eliminate sexual abuse crimes as long as we protect those who are predisposed to commit them.

You mean heterosexual males?

gene,

your retort was pretty stupid. a pedophile doesnt care about the sex of the victim. however a straight one does ditto for the gay pedophiles is that to hard for you to understand?

Allswell,

You realize that your complete and utter denial of gay pedophiles only indicates how delusional you really are. heres an idea take responsibility for the gay pedophiles & the straights will take responsibilty for thiers. Once that is done straights will be more tolerant of your lifestyle. to say there are no gay pedophiles is giving the pedo's refuge. do you gays want that? be sensible & use your brain. btw a man married or not who has sexual relations with an underaged young man, is really Bi or homosexual and should not be considered heterosexual, but instead a bi/homosexual pedophile.

If it quacks and talks like a duck it is a duck!

btw a man married or not who has sexual relations with an underaged young man, is really Bi or homosexual and should not be considered heterosexual, but instead a bi/homosexual pedophile.

WRONG. A man who has sexual relations with underage men is a pedophile; he is attracted to children, not adults, whether they are the same gender or not. THAT is the medical definition of a pedophile. They do not use the term "homosexual pedophile" or "heterosexual pedophile;" they are classified as male-male or male-female molestations. Homosexuals are attracted to adults of the same gender, while heterosexuals are attracted to adults of the opposite gender.

BTW, you are more likely to be gay than allswell is. Try to open that closet door, just a little...

You realize that your complete and utter denial of gay pedophiles only indicates how delusional you really are.

Except that nowhere do I deny they exist. I merely prove that 90% of male-male pedophiles are heterosexual, married men. That means the real threat to children is obviously heterosexual, married men.

Once that is done straights will be more tolerant of your lifestyle

Awww, a strawman, how cute.

btw a man married or not who has sexual relations with an underaged young man, is really Bi or homosexual and should not be considered heterosexual, but instead a bi/homosexual pedophile.

I see you continue to be utterly ignorant of reality. Here's a suggestion: DYFR.

I don't care what you libs think, if a pedophile is molesting children of the same sex as he, that makes him a homosexual! You can spin it any way you want in lib-world, but a the truth is there. An adult who doesn't molest children is not a pedophile, gay or not, but a gay pedophile is still gay.

I doubt bigots like catlover will ever get it. They seem willfully ignorant.

H3321278,

You're running up the down escalator. People like catlover will never understand that pedophilia, like rape, has nothing to do with sex. It's a power play. Pedophiles tend to prefer one gender over another only because they've had better success in exploiting that group.

I wonder if catlover meant to expose such an abysmal level of ignorance.

I'm just going to tell you right now, if you are gay, lesbian, homosexual, however you want to classify it, you are obviously confused, and no one should follow your opinions, advice, or leadership. But you have a CIVIL RIGHT, to be heard, even if it does make us all more ignorant than before you started talking.

Empson13, there is no opinion... it's fact. Having sex with a 14 year old kid is ONLY pedophilia if the child HASN'T gone through puberty. Pedophilia implies the child's sexual organs have not been fully developed...

Science classifies pedophilia in the same group as foot fetishes, and balloon fetishes... and beastiality (zoophilia)... Would you say that if someone gets turned on by a mans foot that he's gay? or that if a man gets turned on by a pink balloon? or if a man has sex with a male dog he's gay?

There's nothing sexual about a 12 year old's genitals that's the WHOLE point of pedophilia... so WHY do you people think being attracted to a 12 year old boy (as a man) makes you a "gay pedophile"?

mewers,

You seem to underestimate 14 year olds & make them sound like helpless children that cant defend themselves. Fact is most gay pedophiles use their position of power(coach,priest, teacher,uncle etc,etc) or someones misfortune to manipulate them into sexual acts. The victims shame & guilt of the abuse is what keeps these creeps undetected for so long.

@NC

Right on, Not just a lot of hate & ignorance but a refuge for all gay pedophiles who think what they are doing is acceptable because they're GAY

We don't try to cater to law breakers... we try to protect innocent people from laws... In a universe, where you can't even prove that i'm a real person, and not a figment of your imagination... how do you plan to prove that person X did Y, and deserves to Z?

Okay... here's a scenario... a computer tech. reports a man after finding hundreds of pictures of naked children on his computer.. the man claims he didn't know they were there... but they are obviously on his computer.. What do you think should happen to this man?

Okay.. now i'll tell you in about 5 minutes... I could make a website that will save hundreds of pictures of whatever i wanted to someones computer simply by visiting my website? If your browser caches websites (they do by default) they'd be saved to your computer... And if a made a virus (would take more than 5 minutes), but.... I could save them to your desktop, and disable your computer, so when you took it to a tech. to fix... he'd easily find them..

You see the problem now? Most of these cases proof is what the child says... or what they find on someones computer... And i'm not saying some of these people don't deserve to die.. but.. I really don't want my life to be ruined by a lying kid, or someone with a novice computer program.

when i was 18ish, a kid told his mom i threw a rock and hit him in the face.. it absolutely didn't happen... but you can imagine what the mother did to me, because she believed her toddler over me.. If you research psychology ... if you tell a kid "Did he touch you? the other kids told me he touched them." the child will tell you "yes he touched me" a majority of the time. Rogue therapists and psychologists have been caught implanting memories into ADULTs.. convincing them they were raped/molested as children... imagine how easy it'd be to convince a child.

And in closing... I'm not saying any of these people ARE innocent.. and once again.. I'm not saying any of these people deserve to live... however... Getting framed, and getting executed for something I didn't do... is just about the worst thing I could imagine happening to me... I guess I have a phobia.. and have weird ideas because of it...

Awww.. look.. he doesn't like being on the receiving end of a stereotype.

elmo was black! & there are plenty other undercover brothers(oprah did a show on them)who molest thier young nephews and so forth.

No they don't. It's a Christian organization bud. If you don't like that, then don't join. Plain and simple math.

Nope. Pedophilia can be a problem by itself. Homosexuality is another deviant behavior. The Scouts want neither.

Being a homosexual does not necessarily exclude them from being pedophiles, either. Who says they cannot have another perversion when they already have one?

By the way, Scouts do require some sort of devotion to God, whichever you worship. It is not a requirement to be a Christian to be a Scout. The BSA has awards for achievement within many religious denominations; not just Christians.

Christian? Well yes, in my sons' troops they earned Christian religious badges, but their friends got Hindu, Jewish, & even Moslem badges.

NC,

Get some facts. Most pedophiles go for the opposite sex. But it has nothing to do with sex anyway. It's about power, just like rape.

let me see, the boy scouts were being molested by straight people? They were molested by female scout masters? what amazes me is there are people like you who are unwilling to face the facts that gay people are perverts. The sexual relationship in their mind is perverted. These scout masters who molested scouts are gay men!!! otherwise they would not be attracted to little boys!!!!!

First of all I am not a 'bud' I am a Christian, married mother of 5. Second, you are right that they have the right to set their own rules. I also have the right to push to change those rules, promote civility, compassion, understanding and education within my community. The Boyscout organization is a member of my community, therefor they fall into this category. And I do choose to keep my son out of this group until they promote the values and beliefs that are important to my family.

Absolutely amazed by the number of uninformed, self-proclaimed Christians who want to pick and choose which parts of the Bible they want to live by. If you believe in the Bible exactly as written, with no understanding of time in history and the fact that it has been interpreted by humans many times over, every one of us are terrible sinners and no one will make it to heaven. I feel very bad for those of you who feel that you have to 'earn' God's love. From what I understand to be true, God is our father and his love is stronger than we can understand. I know how much I love my children and can't imagine ever turning any of them away. If I love my children this much, then there is no doubt in my mind that no matter what, God will always love us and never turn us away. I am definitely not a 'theologist', however I know that we are all sinners. I know that God loves us unconditionally. I thank God for that every day because otherwise there would be NO ONE who would make it to Heaven. Enough of my 'sermon', just tired of those who try to condemn others when they should be looking to see how they should improve on themselves.

Everyone on here saying gay people are not or could never be pedophiles are in denial, delusional, or a pedophile themselves.

foxontrees , basically you think that being gay means your a pedophile well heres the shoe on the other foot...

90% of rapists are hetrosexual so if you're straight you're a rapist.... Time to exclude you from anything because you might RAPE someone because you are straight.

Don't like that statement then take your bigoted hatred of gay people and shove it up your ass and shut the phuck up.

Everyone on here saying gay people are not or could never be pedophiles are in denial, delusional, or a pedophile themselves.

Where is anyone saying that gay people are not or could never be pedophiles? What we are saying is the FACT that the overwhelming majority of pedophiles/child molesters are heterosexual, married men, and that the percentage of gay men who molest children is extremely small, and that you bigots who equate homosexuality with pedophilia, and ASSume that all homosexuals are pedophiles, are ignorant in the extreme.

genenut,

Tough guy eh? ...or mouthy homo?...either way i find it humorous that a gay like yourself would tell me to go shove it where the sun doesnt shine... save the tuff talk for the streets you yellow belly Coward.

Genenut,

I never said, being gay=being a pedophile, However it would be a disservice to future victims if they were under the impression that they were exempt from abuse because said person is gay or straight for that matter. Bottom line there are all types of pedophiles but saying that they dont exist in the gay community is wrong and will only give them refuge. is that hard to admit/understand? or you just cant because it undermines whatever ammunition you people might have against institutions that dont support your lifestyle. Get over it.

foxontrees, your gaydar is majorly broken seeing as I'm a married hetro FEMALE.

beyond that you are a bigoted arsehole who needs to stfu with the hate crap you are spewing.

The issue isn't that pedophiles also exist within other organizations, it's that the Catholic Cult conspired for decades (or centuries) to cover up those crimes, never called the cops, and moved the perpetrators to new unsuspecting communities where they raped many more children.

The new Archbishop of NYC, Timothy Dolan, even paid $20,000 bonuses to priests who raped kids.

The BSA isn't any better since they knew about thousands of pedophiles but never called the cops.

Talk about confusing cause with effect. Pedophiles who prefer boys naturally seek out positions in the BSA. Just like those who prefer girls would tyr to join the Girl Scouts.

Learn the difference between homosexuality & pedophilia so you won't sound as ignorant in the future.

i think we all have the difference figured out. you seem to be comfused. In the case with the boy scouts, they are one in the same. Male scoutmasters molesting young boys making them a double pervert. How ignorant do you have to be that you cannot figure out that gay men are molesting young boys, thus they are engaged in both homosexuality and peodphilia.

How ignorant do you have to be that you cannot figure out that gay men are molesting young boys, thus they are engaged in both homosexuality and peodphilia.

90% of male-male pedophilia is committed by heterosexual, married men.

Pedophiles seek out positions where they can come into close contact with many, many children. Then they choose the ones with problem homes, those with self esteem issues, bullied kids...anyone especially vulnerable, that is easy to gain their trust and "groom" them for the escalating sexual contact.

Pedophiles look at places like the BSA..and Jerry Sandusky, the awesome hetero, big football player he-man....he had easy and continuous access for YEARS. His charity took eyes off him because he seemed trustworthy, which is the first step to "successful" pedophilia, getting ADULTS to trust you with their kids.

momrn,

Sandusky classic example of a closeted homosexual.

Sandusky classic example of a closeted homosexual.

Hmm, except he's a married heterosexual man who shows no psychological attraction to matured males. As evidenced in nearly every psychological study performed regarding male-male pedophilia, heterosexual males attack male children for a large number of reasons, including: inability to differentiate the sexes (psychologically common in pedophiles), and inability for the victim to get pregnant.

Fox...unless you have his records from his doctor or psychiatrist, partners he has engaged in homosexual sex,, STFU...you don't know what youre talking about.

The ONLY men that admit to sex with him WERE CHILDREN when he raped them. He quit having sex with them once they hit puberty. Big difference. If he liked gay sex, he already had a partner in the current victim, but dropped them like a hot potato once puberty hit. The victims testified to seeing him moving onto another child once they reached a certain age.

SOOOO true! Very good comment!

They try desperately, sometimes they trace it. A short time ago they traced kiddie porn to a puppeteer in Florida, then following his records, traced to more perpetrators but not sure if the origin was found. Very savvy criminals they are. But many times the Internet is what does them in. the kids, probably some of their own, kids that the wife babysits for, neighborhood kids they have gained trust, kidnap kids,...you name it, they find them

Sick, sick, sick....

More likely the BSA simply covered it up, and thus you didn't hear about it.

I think the reason it made the news is because this person was in a position of leading and mentoring young boys. This probably would have made the news if it had been a teacher or any other person put in charge of young children. The times it doesn't make the news are those when the perpetrator is just a neighbor or some person in the community who doesn't have some sort of position over children. People in these positions have access to commit this horrible crime against many more children, thus making it seem even more horrendous. I don't believe this sort of thing has ever happened in our community either, and we have a very large Boy Scout organization. I thank God that this is not the 'norm'. What is scarey is that I am sure this community thought the same thing before this happened.