Please read the first 2 short paragraphs. As shocking as it may sound to the gun nuts, the GUNS were involved in ROBBERIES. Yeah, that's the "beauty" of open carry. You get to take whatever you want for free.

David Walker

David... you have NO IDEA how much it pains me to post this, but I have to agree with sam adams on this.

Oh the other point I would like to make is;

and the NRA are doing a piss-poor job of fixing that problem.

I was unaware that law enforcement was a responsibility of the NRA.

David,

the NRA are doing a piss-poor job of fixing that problem.

Really?! You missed the bus dude. The NRA doesn't walk around with people who have a gun and tell them if they're using it incorrectly or not. They are all for using them in a correct manner. You think they have a book of directions telling criminals how to shoot people?!

You seem to contradict your own post by saying the above and saying the below within the same post...

guns don't kill people, peoplekill people.

Hmmmmmmm...

sam adams:

Read ALL the paragraphs. You have jumped to a conclusion you cannot support, namely that the gunmanmen in the robbery is the same gunman spotted near the campus. "Person with a gun," it says. That's it.

As far as the NRA, damned right there's a problem. I don't ask them to enforce the law, but I'm sure looking for more than a wild-eyed maniac like Wayne LaPierre telling his minions that "they're" coming to take our guns away. Who do you suppose would be coming to take those guns? Who is they? That would be law enforcement. LaPierre has pitted the NRA against law enforcement with nonsense like that. Is that really hard to see?

Creek dog, do you understand "mindless BS"? Re-read the post.

David,

Explain to me exactly what you mean by;

America, we have a problem, and worthless platitudes, thoughts and prayers, and the NRA are doing a piss-poor job of fixing that problem.

What does the NRA have to do with it? Google NRA and see what they're all about.

David Walker

LaPierre has pitted the NRA against law enforcement with nonsense like that. Is that really hard to see?

Really? Wayne LaPierre has pitted the NRA against Law Enforcement? Is that the same NRA that works closely with law enforcement agencies nationwide helping them develop training programs? The same NRA that works closely with them developing and certifying instructors for those programs? Or maybe it's the NRA that works with law enforcement agencies to teach children through the Eddie Eagle program what they should do when they encounter a firearm. Is that the NRA you speak of?

Please if you know another NRA with nefarious intentions out there, one that is working to drive a wedge between law enforcement and law abiding citizens, please, please, please let me know. I will join you in a crusade to spread the word and ensure they are dismantled.

CD and XD:

I am well aware of what the NRA does. Unfortunately, while many members, probably most, support responsible firearms usage, safety, and education, there is an outright paranoia generated and stoked by that damned Wayne LaPierre.

Yes, a thousand times yes, I know of the purported goals of the NRA. I urge you two, and all other responsible NRA members to get rid of that moron, and find a better leader. No civilian group is better positioned to work WITH law enforcement and the citizenry at large than the NRA. That said, I remind you that the "R" in NRA stands for Rifle.

there is an outright paranoia generated and stoked by that damned Wayne LaPierre.

Morning CD and XD,

David, and there are members of the black community that have done same, and of the gay community, christian community, Jewish community, and so on and so on and so on it is a repeat of damn near every organization that ever existed, sooner or later you get a bad seed or one of questionable motive. It is being looked at to see if that is the case, but the NRA absolutely does work with the civilian and military authorities and the leadership is determined to keep it that way. Some radically left people want to paint every NRA member as the second coming of Adolf Hitler when it is actually about as far from the truth as possible.

While the R stands for rifle, it encompasses much more. Not every acronym is perfectly spot on.

Tracy lotsanumbers:

Your post clearly shows why it is virtually impossible to engage in a reasonable conversation. The black, the gay, the Christian, the Jewish community, and so on and so on and so on have very little to do with the problem. This is about firearms. Talk about false equivalency.

If you are going to tell me that Wayne LaPierre represents a reasonable voice when he tells us President Obama is going to take away firearms, when in fact Obama loosened restriction, then you don't get it.

LaPierre went even further the second time around. Well gosh, no, maybe Obama didn't take your guns the first time around, but that's all part of his evil plan. He'll get 'em in his second time term. Paranoia much?

What you don't seem to be able to absorb is the fact that lots of people are looking to the NRA for more than the rantings of Wayne LaPierre. All the good work of the NRA is completely overshadowed by nuts like LaPierre.

David Walker

Unfortunately, it takes one as ardent as LaPierre to keep the anti-gun people at bay.

I'm sure you've heard of the old adage "give them an inch and they'll take a yard". Well, it is true.

If ANYTHING is accepted, then what will the next "reasonable" demand be... or the one after that, or the one after that?

They're ALL reasonable requests aren't they? Yes, they might all be reasonable requests, taken individually. Taken collectively they're not reasonable any longer.

Do you remember walking to the gate with friends and/or family to see them off or welcome them home when they flew somewhere? I do. Every little action taken was a minor inconvenience as you were denied that over time. Now, you're subjecting yourself practically to a strip search in order to fly somewhere.

That's what Wayne LaPierre fights against. And I fully support him in his fight.

Actually David, you pretty much proved my point to the letter. You keep trying to pigeon hole your thought at the only possible truth while you direct the conversation further and further from the truth. My statement stands as fact, every group has had someone that scares the crap out of someone else. My statement also stands that NRA leadership is looking into it.

gm Tracy

David Walker

Tracy lotsanumbers: Your post clearly shows why it is virtually impossible to engage in a reasonable conversation. The black, the gay, the Christian, the Jewish community, and so on and so on and so on have very little to do with the problem. This is about firearms. Talk about false equivalency.

Actually, David, Tracy makes a valid point. If you wish to limit a "reasonable conversation" to guns and evil gun owners, I'm with you. If you wish to characterize an organization as evil because some of its members are evil, then I am not. Good and evil are characteristics of sentient beings, not the organizations they belong to. All organizations have good and evil members.

guns don't kill people anymore than bombs or cigarettes or rattlesnakes. And with that in mind, we're addressing the problem because problems don't solve problems, people do.

we allow other things like parents beating the s*** out of their kids, telling them they're full of sin, leaving them in warehouses called daycares so we can have a two income family because mama needs her big screen. We have to stick the kids in front of video games because to let them play outside safefly, we would have to be there. Can't figure out why more young people dying of violence in Chicago at point than overseas....

we would have to overhaul our whole social values and then it wouldn't matter if you had guns around because we just wouldn't use them. But we're selfish, self-centered life is a middle finger kinda folk and we are raising drones instead of human beings.

as you were.

270 million guns=270 million potential victims=undertakers playground.

Every coin has 2 sides.

William... actually it's closer to to 300 million firearms

Yet you note nothing of permitting law abiding citizens the RIGHT to protect themselves against the vermin of society.

The first protection would seem the easiest.

Take away the ability for "vermin" to shoot you in the back from 20 yards away.

That seems to be a 100% chance of me dying, I'll take a face to face knife or club fight over that anyday.

WilliamOfRites

William, first, the genie is out of the bottle and will NEVER go back in. Firearms will exist regardless of how much you want them to disappear.

You're a rational person, as am I. You nor I would consider (I would hope you wouldn't anyway) accosting another for the purpose of robbing them or doing them harm. You and I both are more civilized than that and have other ways to get the things we want.

However, while you might be willing to take on an individual in a fight using a knife or club, I'll readily admit that I am NOT willing to do so. Fourty years ago, possibly, today, nope, age and replacement parts have made that option very impractical.

Oh, please tell me what you would do against the pack of street vermin that attacks you. Like the ten or so that put a gentleman in the hospital for just over three weeks, and likely would have killed him had I not intervened. The pack that ran back into the cesspool they came from when they turned on me, and realized bringing fists and feet to a gun fight was a futile endeavor and literally tripped over themselves running away.

Please tell me exactly why you have a desire to make everyone nothing more than sheep waiting for the wolves to do as they want.

Personally, I refuse to be a sheep. I'm NOT the wolf hunting prey, I'm nothing more than a guard dog keeping my flock (family, friends, neighbors, even innocent victim strangers) safe from the wolves.

Please define "assault weapon".

"assault weapon"? see my reference to AK47. The gun used in Portland, Oregon this week probably qualifies as well.

billt550

"assault weapon"? see my reference to AK47.

Yeah... wonderful definition there.

I'll wait for a better DEFINITION than;

The gun used in Portland, Oregon this week probably qualifies as well.

Help me out...what is your definition of "asssault weapon"?

billt550

The below were part of what calssified a firearm as an "assault weapon" per the GCA.

For rifles, those characteristics included:

• Telescoping stock Really???? My wife will use one of my rifles hunting. I'm just over 6 ft tall. She's 5'2"... Do you think her reach just might be slightly different than mine?
• Pistol grip Again.. Really?? A pistol grip does nothing more than provide a better and steadier grip on a firearm. Actually, I would go so far as to say it makes the firearm SAFER.
• Bayonet mount And this has to do with the FUNCTION of a firearm how? Does it make the bullets come out faster? Does it make it more accurate?
• Grenade launcher OK.. you got me. Although I don't need one, at least now that I can think of, exactly how is this relevant? The last I knew, it's rather difficult to acquire GRENADES legally to begin with. HOWEVER... what about collectors of military weapons?
• Flash suppressor As common and ubiquitous on firearms as everything else.

For shotguns:

• Telescoping stock
• Pistol grip
• A capacity to hold more than five rounds

All I can say is see above.

For handguns:

• Threaded barrels made to attach a barrel extender, handgrip or flash suppressor ???? really,
• A barrel shroud that can be used as a handhold I hunt with a handgun. One in particular has a fairly long barrel and predicated on position, I have had need to hold the barrel, therefore it DOES have a shroud.

So, the lawmakers failed in their attempts at defining an "assault rifle"... maybe you'll have better success.

However, please just don't say, as I've heard many say.... "You know.. those scary black rifles that look like what the Army carries."

XDm9mm

Thank you. I am a little more educated now. Not being a gun owner and believing in our 2nd Amendment rights, I just think some reason must be applied to gun ownership for the average American citizen.

billt550

You're quite welcome.

What you need to realize is that "politicians" and others that have access to mass media outlets can drive any particular situation in the particular direction that suits their personal beliefs and/or agenda.

I'm an ardent supporter of the Constitution. Particularly the first ten amendments, commonly referred to as The Bill of Rights.

At some point, somewhere, someone decided that the FIREARM was the cause of the crime. Of course they neglected to mention the INDIVIDUAL that operated the firearm. The big bad gun was as fault.

What people have to realize and understand is that, to be candid, all of these "battles" politicians use to play the population, are nothing more than tools to divert attention from themselves and their abysmal records of leading.

It's also telling of our society in general. We've stopped holding PEOPLE ACCOUNTABLE for their actions, and always look to see how "society" has failed the individual. I'm sorry, but I'm ACCOUNTABLE for my actions. No one in my family, no one I work with, no one in my neighborhood, NOT YOU or anyone else in "society" is responsible for my actions.... ME I'm responsible for MY actions. I'm the one that would need to be held responsible and accountable.

We need to PUNISH those who break the rules of civilized society.

I don't CARE if the person was depressed, he/she killed another. If that death was for any reason other than self defense, they are guilty of murder. Period. TREAT them accordingly.

Regardless of what the person does, hold THEM responsible. Don't blame "society" for their pathetic ego problems, or drug addiction, or anything else.

People make bad decisions all the time. Most recognize the bad decision and change what caused the bad decision. Others continue to make the same bad decisions time after time, expecting different results and then blame others for the situation they find themselves in.

XD, quite agree. We need to stop overpaying idiots to make new laws we don't or can't enforce to satisfy some little lobby group and enforce the very real laws we have.

Tracy-2712120

Thanks. What most of the "anti" crowd doesn't realize is that we all ultimately want the same results. Less crime overall and less firearms deaths specifically.

Those of us on boards like this are normally the civilized ones that DON'T wantonly break the law. We might not agree, and there might even be some name calling and slightly abusive language, but if we were face to face, even that would be greatly negated.

The ones that break the law, normally don't engage in civil discourse. They just react to anything violently.

Julieann

Just a personal perspective on my part, but maybe you need to acquaint yourself with a better class of people.

In all the years I've carried, my brother has carried, my son and daughter-in-law have carried, and my friends have carried, I've never run into, experienced or heard of those types of incidents. I'm NOT saying they don't happen, but I'll submit that they are more likely to happen when one associates with people that throw things in bars when they get belligerently drunk. Just sayin.

As long as our species has walked the earth, we have discovered ways to kill each other.

Our species is PREDATORY. We're at the top of the food chain. We kill or enslave other species to survive. We also kill each other. The reasons have gone from killing for survival to basically one of greed or an inability to control anger. Of course, there are those who kill just for the pleasure it brings them when they kill. They're the really scary ones. They're the socio/psychopaths of society that quite often look and act quite rationally, yet can intricately plan and execute a plan of gruesome destruction that rational people couldn't conceive of much less execute.