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Marijuana is broken up for use by customers at Frankie Sports Bar and Grill in Olympia, Wash., on Sunday.
Pot smokers in Washington and Colorado are inhaling a little easier after President Barack Obama said the federal government has more important things to do than go after "recreational" drug users in states that legalize marijuana.
"We've got bigger fish to fry," Obama told ABC News' Barbara Walters.
He was weighing in on the issue for the first time since voters in the two states approved initiatives to legalize the recreational use of marijuana – which is still a crime under federal law.
Obama admitted this disconnect between federal and local laws had put him in a tough spot.
"I head up the executive branch. We're supposed to be carrying out laws," he said. "And so what we're going to need to have is a conversation about how do you reconcile a federal law that still says marijuana is a federal offense and state laws that say that it's legal?"
The Justice Department is still looking into how to handle the conflict. But in the meantime, Obama suggested, the feds aren't gearing up for what might be a costly, unpopular crackdown on tokers in Colorado and Washington.
Related: Americans to feds -- Keep your hands off our pot
"You've seen the voters speak on this issue. And as it is, the federal government has a lot to do when it comes to criminal prosecutions," he said.
"It would not make sense for us to see a top priority as going after recreational users in states that have determined that it's legal."
The president’s comments on the new Colorado and Washington laws echo the stand he took on medical marijuana during the 2008 campaign, when he said prosecutions would be a low priority.
Related: So where will all that 'legal' pot come from?
Two years later, though, federal authorities toughened up that stance, announcing that dispensaries and growers in 18 states that have legalized medical marijuana could be charged with violating drug and money-laundering laws. Dozens of medical marijuana collectives have been ordered shut since then.
Washington State's new law makes it legal for adults to possess up to one ounce of marijuana, but some speculate the federal government will prosecute those who use marijuana on federal land because federal law prohibits marijuana use. NBC's Kristen Dahlgren reports.
Federal prosecutors have not sounded as relaxed as Obama about new state legalization efforts.
Hours before the law in her state went into effect, the U.S. attorney in Washington, Jenny Durkan, issued a warning that "growing, selling or possessing any amount of marijuana remains illegal under federal law."
Related: Like Amsterdam, Washington bar owner lets patrons get stoned
Ezra Klein explains how reclassifying marijuana to a lesser category can reduce some of the tension between federal law prohibiting the drug and new state laws allowing its use medicinally or in small quantities.
Obama – who revealed in his 1995 memoir that he was a regular pot smoker in high school -- said he doesn't back wider legalization of marijuana "at this point." And he wanted to nip in the bud any suggestion that he's pro-weed.
"There are a bunch of things I did that I regret when I was a kid," Obama said in excerpts of the interview, which airs Friday on "20/20."
"My attitude is, substance abuse generally is not good for our kids, not good for our society," he said. "I want to discourage drug use."
Related: Feds fire warning shot over pot legalization
Obama was frank about his youthful drug use in his best-selling book, "Dreams from My Father."
"I blew a few smoke rings, remembering those years. Pot had helped, and booze; maybe a little blow when you could afford it. Not smack, though," he wrote.
"Junkie. Pothead. That's where I'd been headed: the final, fatal role of the young would-be black man."
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Yeah, I thought so Mr O.
Funny how in USA, you can have a guy write a memior on how he smoked pot, got drunk and sniffed some coke when he could afford it..........
And he becomes our President.
Well Creek Dog, He sure isn't the first and won't be the last!
"Funny how in USA, you can have a guy write a memior on how he smoked pot, got drunk and sniffed some coke when he could afford it..........
And he becomes our President."
Even funnier is a President who then effectively takes an anti-pot stance by not just coming out and saying that it should be legalized. Had he been caught smoking pot, he'd have had a felony on his record and wouldn't be President. It's time to stop destroying the futures of others in the same way simply because they smoke a weed that's far less harmful to themselves than alcohol. We tried banning alcohol at one point and look how well that worked out. Same now with pot where all we do is end up destroying lives and funding crime syndicates.
When it comes to frying fish, fry Boehner.
Pot is no big deal.
It's a Salutary Neglect.
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This is the second case of salutary neglect which has had salutary impact, similar to the first salutary neglect in the first half of the 1700s that led to the forming of the distinctive American character.
At least he is honest.
I agree CD! it's one thing that's he admits it, even wrote about it, but I doubt his feelings about pot in general have changed all that much! I feel it should be legal. It's the pharmaceuticals that are dangerous! and they are handed out to our kids like candy.
just sayin
"I want to discourage drug use."
Making drugs illegal has obviously not helped to discourage use...
Unlike our previous President who did all of those things and more, but didnt have the courage to admit it.
Bigger fish to fry? hmmmm you mean like tax and spend. He's spending all his time thinking up ways to spend the tax increase and then beg the Chinese for more loans. Gotta pay back all those supporters and bundlers! Mr O's followers are ignorant of the real problems this country faces, but then if you have no skin in the game like us taxpayers you could care less.
Hey BillyBob from Podunk.
Go and and buy you some more guns and leave the pot alone.
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MR OBAMA - PLEASE concentrate on GUN CONTROL now!!! Thank you!!
they're already working on that --- except not in the way most people might expect ---- they are planning to control access to powder ----- no ammo, gun is pretty useless. ------- however, a perhaps unexpected consequence of this pending legislation is that gun owners are stockpiling ammo.
The Federal law should be rescinded and let each state decide. Keeping people in jail for smoking pot is a waste of money..the POTUS is correct we have bigger problems. My opinion is to legalize and tax as we do alcohol.
Ain't it just hilarious how the conservatives are all about states' rights until some state makes a law that they don't agree with and the feds are jumping into the middle of it?
"Had he been caught smoking pot, he'd have had a felony on his record and wouldn't be President."
Damn the luck!
NJhome
It's coming. The Feds will never rescind the state laws and more states will be legalizing as new elections come. The cash cow is too irresistible.
haggisbingo,
What do you think more or better gun laws will do? Seriously....
Did he DUI and put innocent lives in danger like our last president who you voted for?
Yep, don't uphold FEDERAL LAWS, Mr. Obama:
What is next ?
Wait a minute....what are all those new Progressive Cabinet member regulations stacked on your desk ?
Creek Dog -- George W. did too.
The Federal Schedule 1 classification of Cannabis needs to be removed! Since the Dept. of Health & Human Services has Patent #663-0507 issued to the United States of America on 10/7/2003, Schedule 1 classification is just wrong! End the War on Plants and the Drug War and use the tens of billions saved to avoid the Fiscal Cliff!
IDO - Its called progression. Weed should not be illegal.
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haggisbingo-2225582
haggis....why the #@$!#@ would someone that goes in and blasts away innocent people CARE A WIT about gun laws!
THINK MAN!!!!
MSNBC seems to have lots O' fun with drug photos. Don't need to do much thinking on their agenda.
haggisbingo-2225582
THINK haggis....why the @#$@ would ANYBODY that goes in and shoots innocent children give a WIT about gun laws? Flawed thinking at its best.
I kinda doubt the cartels in South America will let this happen.They do have the money to support anti-drug politics.The reason they would fight leagal weed and drugs is simple.The cartels would rather deal with the DEA as an ineffective opponet than to have the U.S government as a competitor.The cartels stand to lose untold wealth if this went nationwaide.In the end it is simple math and money.
Almost a hundred years since the movie Reefer Madness and still we have to argue about smoking pot.
There are many things I can't be sure of but this long time war against pot is a make job deal or what we might call welfare for idiots.
I have been smoking pot for over 65 years, am in my 80s and am totally lucid, am able to have discussions with scientists, write screenplays and play a damn good game of golf. Never had an accident while driving and even rented a plane in Mexico and flew over a huge expance of desert to see what it would be like to pilot a plane while stoned. It was no different than driving a car while high, most that do so will tell you they are more careful and tend to drive slower.
This is not to say there will not be exceptions and smoking pot is for everyone. Some people get very paranoid or feel ill. I'm unable to drink more than one beer and if I do am so drunk I will not drive.
My point is that all we do with these anti drug laws is create government entities that suck our money and make many billions for killer drug dealers.
I'm in my 80s now and have a medical permit. Even as I write this I'm under the influence, whatever that means. Do I sound like I'm some sort of danger to anyone, including me.
The way to handle pot use is to quit listening to do gooders that have never smoked a joint and get with people that have and have the investigators take a couple of hits, join with others that do the same, and see what it is without the knee jerkers input that have no clue.
Um, I'm an Obama supporter. I pay taxes, and served 20 years in the military. I think I have "a skin in the game". Do you really think more than 51% of American voters pay no taxes? Also, I think the phrase you're looking for is "couldn't care less". If I could care less, I must care at least a little.
i'm sure georgie w. left a line or two in the top desk drawer in the oval office...
For those foolhardy enough to want gun control, look at pot control. I hate to sound like a liberal, but to end the gun violence, you have to end the desperation that comes from no jobs, a government whose policies erode freedoms on a daily basis, an the non stop onslaught of propaganda that would convince folks to give up their freedoms and rights, as if those freedoms and rights are no longer relevant. Haggis dude, you need to understand that the horrible things that happen nowadays are not a result of the tools used to carry them out - nobody buys or steals a gun, gets it home looks at it for a while and decides the range is to expensive so just go shoot up a school. No, what you are seeing is the end result of desperation, throughout the 20th century, all mass murderers seemed to have the same mental problem set in common. How many of these people killed animals when they were younger. How many were just no good, but dismissed because of their youth. There is this movement to treat kids almost like another species. There needs to be a separation of the way we view children. It is not ok to boink them. But if they are violent, useless dangers to society, we have to do what it takes to lock them away forever if necessary. There are more guns than people in this country. You folks who want to ban them are asking for one simple thing, and one thing only. a MILITARY ENCAMPMENT, Because there is absolutely no other way you are ever going to get a percentage of the guns, based on the track record with drug interdiction (1-2%?)
Take Prozac and other drugs in the same class off the market.
Hm. The feds tried to ban alcohol; that didn't work. The feds currently ban marijuana. That is not working either. The trend here is that every time the government tries to control something, it doesn't work. Control guns? Hah! Guns are illegal in Mexico, but there are lots of criminals who have them. You don't think there are people who have stockpiled powder and reloading equipment? I am sure lots of folks have. There are even more who have purchased numerous rifles and/or pistols. If Mr. Obama has been good for one thing, it has been the gun industry. I'm thinking that if limits are imposed on the purchase of ammunition, the family will cooperate on purchasing what they want. Just see how fast the NRA pounces on the idea of limiting ammunition! Seems to me it is always the few who mess it up for the majority.
Pippo Schillaci - I salute you...and I agree totally with what you said. I've been bad these last 40+ years myself and when I moved to Phoenix, AZ from upstate NY, via Sturges in the Dakotas, had to stop in Denver to see if the altitude would make any difference. If it did, I didn't notice any....;-}
I'm certainly not in favor of the drug laws we have. But, it's not for the president to come out and declare he's going to ignore the law. And that is the real tragedy with this guy. It makes no difference to him what the law is, he's going to enforce what he wants and ignore what he wants, and, while he's at it, make up what he wants. Sounds like a dictator!
ITS THE 21st CENTURY PEOPLE!......Are we really going to have to drag a third of our country kicking and screaming into it?
wb52 , same would've been true about Dubya . Damn the luck !
Justone,
use your brain for once since I have seen you posting here. The guy that committed the attack was only able to do so because his mother had guns in the house that were not securely locked away in a gun cabinet or safe. The only reason he killed all of those kids was because he had easy access to those guns. There is a larger chance that if he did not have access to those guns that he would not have been able to do what he did.
Access to guns must be restricted and laws must be created to force people to lock their guns away when not in use. If people will not follow common sense then they must be forced to for the protection of the general public.
If the mother was still alive she should have been held partly accountable for providing access to the weapons that were used. As it is she was killed along with many of the students in her class before her son turned the guns on himself.
Then why does he have Attorney General Eric Withholder attacking the dispensaries here in California? Is that the bigger fish to fry that he is talking about?
Geowil,
I think you are the one that needs to use his brain.
The thing with guns is the problem lies with the person, not the weapon. A person wanting to do harm will always find a way. What really need to be reformed is how mental health is treated, there is a growing trend on just throwing people on to pills.
Let's entertain the idea that we turn in to a country that only law enforcement is allowed to carry weapons. Do you think that every single gun held by law enforcement would remain strictly in the possession of law enforcement? What is to stop an individual in a law enforcement household from stealing this weapon and reselling to 3rd party wanting to do harm, or even for the individual to do harm himself.
What I'm pointing out is that as cliché as it sound, guns typically don't go off by themselves and in order to prevent things like these to happen is to eliminate all weapons (not just firearms) in the world and make sure none ever get produced, which is along the lines of impossible. This at is core is a societal issue. You don't cure an infected wound with a band-aid.
wb52
"Had he been caught smoking pot, he'd have had a felony on his record and wouldn't be President."
Damn the luck!
#1.14 - "
Hows come....
when your fantasy is realized it's God you thank
and when it doesn't materialize it's LUCK that gets the responsibility...?
Funny that I don't recall reading the word LUCK anywhere in my God's word,
can you point to where your Bible discusses luck ?
a class room of kindergartners was slaughtered with two pistols and a military grade gun semi automatic whatever that no civilian needs killed 20 babies. not even first grade. they are learning to share and what colors are. not how do duck and cover when your teacher is killed by a man who won't stop shooting at your friends and at YOU. when you are 5 and your mom and dad don't know there is a man with three guns killing your friends and your teacher until mericfully you are the next at 5 years old. Maybe has rollerskated or rode a two wheeler. you need to grasp that and deal with your right to have guns another day. i'm from a rural place and everyone hunts. no one ever should have an assault rifle unless we are at war (i mean the US, not you and "the man"). this discussion is so incredibly inappropriate to try to defend today. babies were slaughtered. if it helped those poor people the least bit to paint my ass blue and everyone elses ass blue that i could pin down and it made any little brother,big sister, cousin, parent, aunt, grandparent feel an nth of a percent better, you bet i would go ape @!$%# on your soon to be blue ass to make that happen. your ass? it would be blue and i wouldn't be saying green is better. maybe give them a day, maybe three to bury their babies. 5 year olds were slaughtered and the older kids were told to close their 6, 7, 8, 9, 10 year old eyes tight to walk out of the building so as not to see their friends or brothers and sisters as they lie there. Tact and compassion is appropriate. nothing about defending your rights is ok TODAY. I think you should keep your guns. but not be boisterous today... and no one needs any automatic assault weapon unless they are in a military uniform... period. keep your handgun, and your rifle, be legal fine and dandy. maybe next week. i don't think you right to hunt is in question and if you need more protection then that, well, that's your business. keep the conversation low today.
mister fids, Can you point out where he injected god into his conversation? He used a metaphor for god sake. Get over your jack azz self finally.
Meridith, it is not lawful in the United States for a civilian to own a "military grade assault rifle" made after 1986. To own one made before that date one must undergo a Federal background check including being fingerprinted. Assault rifles are banned outright in Connecticut, where the most recent school shootings took place. One must have a license to purchase any kind of handgun in Connecticut. Possessing a handgun outside of your home in Connecticut without a license carries a mandatory one year prison sentence--the judge had no leeway even if you are Mother Theresa and are taking it to the police station to turn in.
So tell us what laws you want that are not already on the books.
So I guess you're pro-big government after all? Typical two-faced neocon.
What makes it OK then, to interfere in Arizona and sue the state for enforcing immigration laws? The people over there are just trying to protect their borders from being overrun by illegal invaders. Barry wants to have it both ways- hypocrite....
What do you expect from a crack head? Crack smoker in Chief doesn't care about you, only how cool he will look in the history books.
How can he tell his kids let alone the nation that drugs are bad for you when he writes how interesting it was for him? Well I am sure he will rewrite his history once again. Trying to make it seem like a small thing. What will he say when his girls are busted for drugs?
Yup, like george w never did any of those things when he was young, is that what you're saying, Creek Dog?
Be serious.
The issue here is not what Obama, or Clinton, or George W. did as young men; chances are they did what young men do.
The issue here is how do you reconcile conflicts between state and federal laws: concerning drugs, concerning immigration, and any number of other things.
vin1112 - Obama never said such a thing.
I haven't read GDub's memoir. Sounds like a real humdinger!
If obama can get away with picking and choosing what laws to follow or not why can't the states.
Obama is so full of crap, all you need to do is look at what the feds are doing to the medical marijuana dispensaries in CA to know that!!! Here in CA the feds have been going after the medical marijuana dispensaries. This is being done at the expressed direction of Obama and his Attorney General Holder. They are doing this by sending letters to their landlords threatening to seize their property as part of a criminal enterprise if they do not throw out the dispensaries. Most landlords are buckling because they can not run the risk of the feds misusing federal drug seizure laws and taking their property away from them. The justice department is doing this at the direction of Obama and his toady Attorney General Holder. The Obama administration does not care about the Constitution or what it says about states rights. They will do whatever their master, aka Obama, tells them to do, regardless of whether or not it is legal or constitutional. Several of Obama's executive orders have clearly violated the separation of powers clause by illegally overriding duly passed federal statutes. Obama behaves far more like a dictator than a president. Holder is a disgrace as Attorney General and should be removed from his office. He has failed to enforce federal laws just because the Obama does not like them and has told Holder to ignore them. This is not the way an Attorney General should behave. I hope that this issue does go to the Supreme Court and that the Obama administration gets put in its place when it comes to both states rights and separation of powers.
Obama is an international bankster mouthpiece lap dog, corporate CEO for the United States of Israel. The ZioNazi government says marijuana has no medicinal use yet the gangster Jews have a patent on it. ALL NATURAL HERBS ARE LEGAL! Private international banking cartel called the Federal Reserve is unconstitutional illegal and criminal. And before you think of any anti-Semitic accusations, go study the Haavara Agreement and the Ashkenazi Khazar bankers who financed Hitler to help them quash communism a peoples movement which had many other Jews like Karl Marx behind it. Totalitarian police state under the guise of Communism or capitalism is still a totalitarian police state.
Questions
Excessive government has created such a mess it prompts
many questions:
prison?
drinking of raw milk?
as legal tender as mandated by the Constitution?
repatriating their gold held by the FED for her in New York? Is it that
the trust in the U.S. and dollar supremacy beginning to wane?
unnecessary to thoroughly audit our own gold?
they can buy?
American traveling by air?
life for crimes without victims—as our drug laws require?
regulate commodes in our homes?
AIPAC ?
an obvious failure and violates the people’s rights? Has nobody noticed
that the authorities can’t even keep drugs out of the prisons? How can
making our entire society a prison solve the problem?
involved in border disputes and civil strife around the world and ignore
the root cause of the most deadly border in the world-the one between
Mexico and the US?
to the Executive Branch?
policy? Could it be that the views of both parties are essentially the
same?
foreign banks and foreign central banks get bailed out in 2008 and the
middle class lost their jobs and their homes?
officials believe that creating money out of thin air creates wealth?
that government bureaucrats and politicians can protect us from ourselves
without totally destroying the principle of liberty?
Sure he's got bigger fish to fry...much bigger; like turning our capitalist democratic republic into a socialist state. And, all of you lib geniuses, please spare me from being told I don't know the meaning of socialist.
This fits right in with Obama's stance on Immigration Laws;
"I will decide which laws to enforce and which laws to ignore". Apparently, we are no longer a 'Nation of laws'.
In fact, he even gets to make new laws without consulting Congress - witness the granting of legal status to some illegal immigrants (adults brought here as children by their parents). It seems that Obama thinks he can 'rule by decree'.
Somehow, this smacks of dictatorial powers, and someone needs to challenge them in Federal courts so the Supreme Court has the final say.
WOW, making gun powder illegal. That is a new one. Don't all you people know that the NRA is nothing more than a lobby and marketing group for gun manufacturers? They need a boogieman to sell more guns. President Obama has never pushed for more gun laws of any kind. Even in the wake of these awful shootings. He even opened up our national parks to allow for concealed carry!
Now to the point on pot, we should legalize recreational pot. But we should be importing all the pot. Heck, it is what we do for something like 90% of almost everything we buy anyways. That could actually bring down violence in this country as well as Mexico. The government would have an easier way to tax it too. Release all non-violent inmates from jail and prisons and use the money used to incarcerate them in recovery programs. Allow for people to grow and possess a small amount, like home made alcohol and beer is allowed. This would eliminate many problems, and save and collect a lot of money.
I personally don't use drugs, but of all the drug use I see, pot is the least problematic as I see. I have only been ripped off by two potheads, but then they may have been on subies or something else too!
Pippo,
Great post. I've been smoking for 50 years now. Great health, physical and mental.
Winston2012 - "It's time to stop destroying the futures of others in the same way simply because they smoke a weed..."
First of all, smoking weed does plenty of things to you and that brain of yours. My biggest beef with marijuana is that I can't get drunk of his beer by being near it, but I can sure get high off of your cigarette without smoking it. But that debate is for another day. We do have non-smoking areas after all.
Anyhow, the point Obama made hear is that Marijuana isn't a priority either way. Would you rather we focus on things that actually matter, like the fiscal cliff mess our incompetent government created? Or would you be fine if the countries economy collapsed (again) due to completely preventable circumstances so long as you are allowed to get high off your weed? I for one, would rather avoid economic ruin for now.
AKA: We have more important things to worry about than pot heads. If you don't like it, you can move to Colorado or something.
IF there is one thing we should all have learned about Obama by now,,,,,,,
DON'T listen to what he says, but WATCH what he does .
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The "war on drugs" greatly enriches :
,,,,, the legal system, judges, lawyers, law enforcement (paychecks, bonuses, seizures, etc.), politicians, lobbyists, prison facilities, prison service companies, parole services, ,,, on & on.
The phony "war on drugs" is one huge money maker.
The "Federal Reserve Note" rules and owns this nation and nothing in the form of justice and logic will ever change that.
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Sad but true,,,,,,,, (so get used to it ) . All best regards .
My son, because of the Obama administration's continuation of the Bush policy of raids on state- legal dispensaries didn't vote . He didn't vote for ROmney, of course, but he didn't vote for Obama, either. He just didn't vote. I was slightly disapointed but agreee that it's best to vote or not - on thngs that reallly afffect you. As oppposed to lunatics who get alll worked up about the Bengazi thing. If the REpublicans had any sense they would have picked up on legaliztion as a way to be relevant.
Im a good person, and I don't think that someone who drinks should be high fived while Im made to feel equal to a thief, repulsive criminal, or a murderer...thousands upon thousands of lives have been destroyed by a system that at night goes home and drinks everything in site. Just look at the show "how I meet your mother" (great show) glorifies drinking, every scene ever made has alcohol...and binge drinking as if we all should run out and be just as cool. We are a society that glorifies alcohol but treats a smoker of plant that belonged to this earth before us as if they are the worst people in society...worse than illegals, worse than drunk drivers, worse than most robberies, theft, and some murders.
^ Oh your exaggerations make me feel so bad for you. You poor high thing you....
it's probabably close to 10 illegals to 1 citizens...Arizona is a lost cause, and practically belongs to Mexico other than the fact that citizens are paying the bills. I have not seen a non-Hispanic in weeks. The lady at circle K was teaching the other cashier English this morning when I got my coffee. American businesses are oh so happy to have them, even when they cant speak the language. All the billboards, all the businesses in the greater Phx area are all in Spanish..all of them, and if you find one that is not, half the billboard is used to recite it in Spanish. We are spending countless amount of money converting our city to retro fit for Mexico.
who said I was high..let me guess your god told you in your dreams last night? Well since you are the one on the pedestal, you are the "high" one here. Just because I want to smoke does not mean i do. Thank you for being so godlike, I mean what would a day be like without someone telling you how much better they are in theory...Go pray...you need it. And, my your God judge you like you do others. May hatred fill your every vein...oh you work at that daily..I c.
"Im made to feel equal to a thief, repulsive criminal, or a murderer.."
You said that you were made to feel like a thief, repulsive criminal, or murderer just because you smoke weed. I think that qualifies as an exaggeration.
"We are a society that glorifies alcohol but treats a smoker of plant that belonged to this earth before us as if they are the worst people in society...worse than illegals, worse than drunk drivers, worse than most robberies, theft, and some murders."
Only in your own mind, which is likely compromised by said weed. I don't know anyone who is normal who thinks that way.
God of Fate
The point Obama made here was to say whatever is the most popular thing for him to say as per usual. Pot wasn't going to be a priority during his first term either but that didn't stop the Feds from closing down dispensaries right and left. Who ever could have imagined he'd go after medical marijuana much more so than his republican predecessor?
Just because you've got bigger fish to fry doesn't mean you're going to throw the little fish back. Our government wastes so much money that they'll easily be able to fry the little fish too.
@ Backcountry,
Do you really think this dysfunctional government can handle an issue like this now? I would argue they may not even be able to handle the big fish, let alone the little ones. You know it, I know it, even Obama knows it. They can't get crap done anymore if it requires a vote from the politicians.
It would serve as yet another distraction and excuse to procrastinate on fiscal cliff, a mess our government unnecessarily got us into in the first place through incompetence. Why don't we see if we can settle things like that first. Then we can have the discussion on things like marijuana after we settle things of that nature. You have to prioritize to get things done. In this case, we may not be able to get a single thing done so we had better start with the big things first. That's all he's saying. The way our government is going, I'm not sure they would be able to agree on anything anyway.
What he's really saying is the Feds never really did believe pot was a dangerous drug, and until we see measurable money being made from its sale so we can pursue it, the small stuff is just a waste of our time and we'll just ignore it.
Always, follow the money.
Pippo
Yes sir. I am 59, I started smoking in the 7th grade (after I had a beer) *snickers*.
That would have been 1967 so that's about 46 years. Still going strong. Got busted in Federal Way WA for a couple of doobs back in 76, paid $14 and that was that. The biggest problem with pot is not what it physically does its the social stigmas attached - like getting busted. I cant wait to get out of the closet.
WINSTON 2012: I remember in school when I was taught there is no prohibition from a felon running for or holding the office of president.
I was somewhat shocked. Nowdays, I am shocked by the number of people who post things that just aren't true just because they think it sounds good in an arguement.
SEBREB: I do not believe I would snort a line of anything off the desk in the OVAL OFFICE.....remember the things Bill Clinton did in the oval office. :)
I see no real reason to say too our nation that you can freely get high. One of the major problem we have todaqy is people don't take responsibility for thier actions and try to escape reality through drugs of many kinds. Drinking.pot and prescrition drugs to name a few. For the President to say he isn't persueing this is a popularity stance just as his " I support gay marriage" was a stance for votes before the election.
Pot is a mind altering drug and for that reason should remain illegal. Alcahol creats a physical impairment. They are not the same. The side effects are not the same. I grew up in the 60's but had the willpower to not use drugs or drink even though they were the cool thing to do. Many of you proudly say you have smoked pot for 50 years. What that tells me is you have violated and avoided the law for 50 years and your craving for the pot high was stronger than you will to be a law abideing citizen. And you tell me there is nothing habit forming or bad about pot.
As long as it doesn't negatively impact anyone else, what business is it of yours whether or not someone chooses to alter their mind?
Avenger
Really, who knew. The world according to Avenger.
Mind altering. physical impairment. Arn't we getting into the metaphysical here? Isn't the Brain part of the "physical body"? Doesn't alcohol act upon the brain? In my life I've seen untold havoc caused by alcohol. I know of no personal cases of such havoc by people on pot. Not that you can't find some but I can certainly find some cases of people causing havoc while high on god too.
Yup yer right about that I never had the desire to be an automaton. Laws are made to be tested. I bet you have never broken a law in your life have you. Oh like speeding or making a bet on a football game outside of Nevada or maybe some "unnatural" sex act in the State of Georgia (nothing habit forming about sex either is there?). Get the hell out of my life style and help shrink the Government *snickers* like conservative preach!
Debi-1314897 "As long as it doesn't negatively impact anyone else, what business is it of yours whether or not someone chooses to alter their mind?
So how about when a 'stoned' driver kills a family in a car crash? And how about when the taxpayers have to pay for the 'rehab' of someone that loses their ability to function in society? And how about when the pot smoker abuses their children when they get 'high'?
The idea that smoking pot only affects the smoker is very naive.
@ Roy W
and ... alcohol, texting, putting on make up, changing a CD and eating a Big Mac while driving. Back to what the righteez always hide behind when it comes to guns - individual responsibility. Get your freaking Government out of my closet. you cant have it both ways. If your going to allow large clips so people can shoot up schools I need some pot to mellow out. phuck; the hypocrisy of it all.
@ Robin Steele
and I hate to sound like a conservative
ROY WILSON:
Some unknown substance must be affecting your reading comprehension because you ignored the part where I stated "as long as it doesn't negatively impact anyone else".
Anyone negatively impacting someone else should be held accountable for their actions; be it financially, physically or otherwise.
They should be held just as accountable as someone who abuses their children and isn't "high".
First, I'd like to thank all of the mindless imbeciles on this post for diverting our attention away from an incredibly painful national tragedy to spew your uninformed political bull$hit at a time like this. Children! Babies, most of them, who will never get to grow up to have their own babies. Second, a few quotes from people who were capable of thinking on their feet:
"The worst government is often the most moral. One composed of cynics is often very tolerant and humane. But when fanatics are on top there is no limit to oppression." H.L. Menken
"The United States is a nation of laws: badly written and randomly enforced." Frank Zappa
"Nothing is more destructive of respect for the government and the law of the land than passing laws which cannot be enforced." Albert Einstein
"If a law is unjust, a man is not only right to disobey it, he is obligated to do so." Thomas Jefferson
Oh, and one last thought: "Nobody ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American public." H.L. Menken
Pippo... Right on. I've been smoking it for 53 yrs. (I'm 71). I've been around the world and have been married to a great lady for 50 years. We brought up five wonderful, happy, well adjusted children and nine grandchildren. And, so far, none of us has killed anybody. And we don't intend to.
Witchrunner... You probably wouldn't recognize a dictator if one ran you over in the crosswalk.
heyitschuck... LOL! Well, you and I know which century we're living in but, we have some people in Washington who are stuck in the last one. Somebody should tell them that this isn't their grandpa's Studebaker.
God of Fate... Think much of yourself? Here's a t-shirt logo for you. "You obviously don't know who I think I am." I do; You're a moron.
roadlesstraveled... Do not argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience.
Wow Sam,
Way to try and put me down with 0 logic and entirely insults. You must be so proud. Was there actually any point to it? The only things I got from your post is:
1. We should be focusing on the tragedy that happened in Connecticut instead of this.
2. Everyone else here who disagrees with me (you in the post) is a moron and sucks.
As far as the first point goes, I said that we have more important things to focus on right now. I used fiscal cliff as an example, but that is another thing. Just didn't want to drag in the gun violence debates to this discussion to make it worse. But while we are at it, yes that discussion should be prioritized over this one.
As for defending roadlesstraveled and dissing me with 0 logic/facts and entirely on baseless insults, you have 0 argument. You say I'm the moron and the idiot. Answer me this then:
Have you ever heard of someone being called a thief or even a murderer just because they smoke weed? Because that is the argument that roadlesstraveled had which you are defending. Way to take an indefensible position.
If they are called those things, it's because they are theifs or murderers and not because they smoke weed. I know plenty of people who smoke weed. Not one of them ever murdered somebody or was called a murderer. But instead of having a rational discussion, people like road decide to play the dramatic victim, as if all people who smoke marijuana are considered as low as murderers. What transparent BS! Then continuing the lack of rationality, internet though guys like you come out and call everyone they don't like names. Bravo! There's no way to reason like calling people mindless imbeciles! I commend your logic!
If you want to have a discussion about marijuana, fine. I would argue now isn't the time as we have more important things to worry about like fiscal cliff and that Connecticut shooting right now, but fine. At least be rational about it! Don't play the helpless victim when your not! And don't support the guy who plays the helpless victim when they are clearly not. It's not hard to figure out...
imede,
This tragedy could have been prevented if the mother had locked her guns away and separated them from the ammo. It was an act of convenience not one of hate. Her son was not going to go out and buys guns just to commit this attack. It was only possible because he had easy access to these weapons. The fact that he was mentally ill and the mother took no precautions is even more damning.
When gun owners do not respect their weapons and follow the required safety measures to insure that their weapons are safe from any third party, be it a stranger or family member, from using them these kinds of things happen. Ultimately it was her son's actions but she is culpable for neglecting to take proper safety precautions. She paid for that mistake with her life.
Again, if these guns had been properly stored in a locking gun cabinet or a safe and been stored apart from the ammo this crime would not have occurred or at least not have happened in this context. If he had, had a knife fewer people would have died. Guns just make killing easily and more convenient. Until we as a nation realize that we need to stop letting the NRA and its members put the gun on a pedestal and deify them and practice realistic gun safety, control, and require, by law, that all guns be kept separate from ammo and locked in a container that only the gun owner has access to these types of preventable massacres will keep happening.
Leave criminals and black market guns out of this discussion. It is nothing more than some stupid ass go to line to try and disarm an opposing opinion. It has no relevance to 90% of these types on incidents that have happened recently. All of them, from Loughner to Holmes to this incident, over the past two and a half years have been perpetuated with legally bought weapons, not black market ones.
sheepled:
If I may add another question:
Why are "border patrol" checkpoints allowed miles INSIDE and on U.S. soil, no where near foreign borders and federal agents allowed to stop and question anyone without probable cause?
Funny how in USA, you can have a guy write a memior on how he smoked pot, got drunk and sniffed some coke when he could afford it.......... And he becomes our President." You are speaking of George W. Bush, right, the cheerleader? He could always afford it.
Are you being serious? act of convenience??? I'm sorry but just because a gun is at reach does no make a person inclined to pick it up and go on a killing spree, this is an incredibly idiotic statement. Besides if you look at further reports the kid tried to purchase a rifle beforehand and was denied.
Also, I wasn't talking about black market, I was stating that it is next impossible to keep 100 percent accountability for every single weapon.
Again, use your brain.
why does anyone believe a politician? obama lies just like you say bush lies but you people on the left only see what the right does and completely ignore anything the left does. it was FDR and the democrats who made pot illegal, not the right, they joined in after the base got indoctrinated. obama is lying about the feds relaxing their grip on pot, they have made it more difficult for growers and users by unconstitutional means, they restrict 2nd amendment rights while in possession/growing of pot, they use extortion to force property owners to evict pot related tenants, the use the IRS to size assets illegally and even the local government are doing it by usurping the peoples vote and re-writing the laws passed.
there is no authority in any government agency to outlaw cannabis L., only regulate it as they do with any interstate/intrastate commerce. they have no regulation powers over personal cultivation and use.
http://www.constitution.org/cons/constitu.htm
this is our US constitution, read and and get informed instead of letting pundits and politicians lie to you. for some, it matters not what in in there but only what they are told to think.
there is no debating over this, you as a citizen have no power over another citizen and the government has no power that is not in the US constitution. we are not in any form a democracy, we are a republic and that can not change or we have already become a oppressed society.
God of Fate:
Roadlesstraveled stated:
Your response:
Roadlesstraveled never stated he has been "called a thief or even a murderer"; so who's exaggerating here?
He makes a valid and accurate point, not an "exagerration", when he compares those convicted of violating some marijuana laws to those of a murderer or thief. There are many people who have been convicted of felony marijuana laws who have had some of their Constitutional rights removed; the same lifetime punishment as a murderer or thief.
Same could be said of those who believe and live their lives based on an invisible and unproven deity. At least pot smokers have an excuse.
Pot is mind altering? Yep, it makes @!$%#ty stuff tolerable, first thing a pot smoker does after inhaling- is smile. The last thing a pot smoker does is get bogged down in stupid stuff - like politics. Pot also alters my mind when it comes to house cleaning - my place sparkles after a few hits - when I'm straight I just sit around on Newsvine...LMFAO!
Swaggnut; there is no such thing as "the left only" or "the right only". We are where we are because of both idiot parties. To say differently just makes you exactly what you are ranting against.
geowil evidently you have never read any of the NRA literature on use of any firearm or you wouldn't be making stupid comments. Their courses on gun safety are teaching just you say they are not doing.Try picking a manual from the NRA on gun safety and gun handling to see what their agenda really is.
Yes, it's obvious geowil is against gun ownership, which he is entitled to do so, and skews his opinion based on emotion and not fact. Fortunately for those of us who value our Second Amendment right, the founding fathers based the enactment of that right on fact, not a feeling.
@ Debi,
They apparently deleted the comment. Either way, murder is far more serious than smoking weed is. Just look on this thread, most people believe it isn't even a big deal. I don't know of anyone not locked up who supports murder. (Please no one jump in with warped view points on our troops and bring that into this that is not the same thing.) The penalties for smoking weed are not only not as severe. They are not even close! Heck, no one I know who smoked weed has ever gotten anything more than fine and a few days. And that's at the most extreme case. Most don't even get caught because the police generally have more important things to worry about. Murders will scar your permanent record forever and are much more severe. To compare crimes like murder to smoking weed is ridiculous. There is no comparison.
1. Smoking weed has way more support by the people. Murder, not so much.
2. The punishments are far less for marijuana, and I would argue that you can't even compare it to sentences of murder. Generally, those who are caught have it treated like drunk driving without any injury or speeding. Most aren't bothered with. The only people the authorities tend to even target are those who grow it without a license or hoard vast quantities of it illegally. In states where it is legal and the licenses and such are legal they are left alone.
3. No one who smokes weed is ever made to feel like a murderer. Not all crimes are equal. Smoking marijuana is generally considered among the lightest by authorities and certainly by the public. Certainly, no one who smokes it is made to feel like a murderer. EVER.
To compare smoking weed to those crimes and especially murder of all things, even only in the context of being made to feel like those criminals because of discrimination or authority, is flat out not true! Again, HE IS PLAYING THE VICTIM. He was trying to make supposed discrimination against Marijuana much more than it actually is. No one is made to feel like a murderer just because they smoke weed. That is the most ridiculous thing I ever heard. If you want to argue for marijuana, fine. But at least be rational about it. No one is going to feel sorry for those who make things up because they sound good.
Hey, y'all know it's fun to get stoned and drive cars, fly planes, sky dive, hike up a mountain, play pool, swim in a pool, go to the beach, watch TV, and just about anything, shoot guns sure why not... The only thing I will not do is load ammo for my toys, I wish to be here another day when I play with them and not worry that "aw- heck just put anything in", no, need to draw the line some where I suppose.
Point is, a little toke here and there simply helps smooth the rough edges off of some of the crap that life dishes you. It is like sand paper. Ever try and make a Violin with out sand paper?
Got to laugh though, O-boy tokes, follows Muslim faith, wont pledge allegiance to the flag of the nation he is supposed to be representing, but all said and done, he IS the CIC of this once great nation. No wonder people are running a-muck in the streets, schools and theaters... More to come... Nothing to see here she-pole move along.
Texas... 1/4 pound of pot.....mandatory 6yrs .... Manslaughter, 6 mons and 2 yrs probation.
Federal Law....more than a 1,000 lbs or over a 1,000 plants....20 to life in some cases, DEATH
Feds usually don't bother with less than 100 lbs or 100plants, but fed law can put you in prison for 5 to 10 yrs for 1 plant or even one seed.
First degree murder 15-20yrs with time off for GB.
Little Johnny gets busted at school for being stupid n bringing his pot with him. Criminal record that will last his life time, baring him from any federal program or job, higher education, right to vote, right to own a fire arm.... no driver's license until he turns 21 , lowest paying jobs ..because he's a low life criminal....ETC
Since 1938 the pot smoker has been treated worse than a rapist..... Demonized by govt., and corporation for the all mighty dollar. There is no playing victim here. The laws against pot destroys lives, not the pot. There is the crime.
I'm 60 and a 48 + yr toker,( Yup, was 12 when I started, admittedly a bit too young.) and have paid my dues and done my time. Victim??? Nope, just one of millions whose lives have been disrupted by illegal and bad laws. I'll not cry in my beer over my life, and what's left of it, I WILL be a Free the Weed warrior. Cannabis is a god given right, (read Genesis) a gift from the Goddess. No man nor Govt., has the right to prohibit it.
From the looks of it, there are some seasoned "Pros" on the subject of Cannabis here. They speak with wisdom only acquired with experience. Post all the rebuttals, latest talking points, propaganda, and tried n true horror stories you like. We have a life time of experience behind us. What do you have?? Reffer Madness and Fox News??
Now, back to subject. One stroke of Obama's pen could re schedule Cannabis to schedule 2. Freeing the states with meds laws and save billions by eliminating Fed involvement. After all, it was Nixon's pen that placed it there to begin with. Against the medical community's findings to the contrary.
To make it fully legal, the international ban on Cannabis needs to be lifted. Obama could do that as well. The USA implemented that ban, we can withdraw it.
Much Love n Peace All,
Da Pup
>:o): Free Da Weed !
Thanks Lunarpup. Either God of Fate isn't old enough to know when having one joint was a felony or doesn't care to remember the number of lives the possession of marijuana has ruined forever; as it has anyone with a felony conviction. Whether convicted of a felonious marijuana possession or murder, both convictions force the bearer of those convictions, even after serving the appropriate penalty, to wear the red letter "A" for the rest of their lives.
Hi Debi, >:o):
When Nixon started the war on drugs, the propaganda and mantra to hit the media was the pusher feeds on the misery of others.(as pictures of young people smoking pot are shown) Though this line of thought has a bases in truth with hard drugs, not so with pot.
Listen to Steppenwolf's "The Pusher"
The drug war did turn that around. Now, instead, the Govt, profits off the misery they create for others. This is more than true when it comes to "Grass".
It may be a small fish to Obama, but would only take the three seconds to sign pot to scheduale2 to fry it.
I noticed a "lively" exchange on gun rights n control above. A bit off subject, but maybe here is where they relate:
" You can have my Grass when you pry it from my cold dead hands."
{{{ FREE Da WEED!}}}
hehehe
Much Love and Happy Tokin',
Da Pup
>:o): PuRrRrrRrRrRrRrRrrrrrr
( Grass must be evil, It makes a puppy purr ) hehehe
There is an irony here that is being ignored.
On the one hand, you have this large segment of Americans who favor allowing the states the right to write their own pot laws. But, the irony arrives when a very large sum of this same sector is against US states having the right to write their own marriage laws. In the case of the latter, any mention of the term 'states rights' will see you attacked with extreme belligerence and accusations of a 1950s-era racism.
Yes, there is a kind of hypocrisy here... an effort to have a cake and eat it, too. But since both subjects have been so politicized, it would be foolish to expect anything else.
The hypocrisy is that both sides play the same game. The right desires that abortion and marriage be ruled by the law of the land, but they heartily support states rights.
Racism?
WTF are you talking about?
gay marraige and pot are apples and oranges, but only one directly effects me. So I tend to be interested in pot laws, and could care less about gay marraige. Not against it, just don't care
ARX, what is different about the way you were placed upon the earth that gives you the right to make lifestyle decisions for other adults. If you want to go to church, dump your money in the plate and be lied to about the teachings of your lord, then by all means. But don't tell me what to do. You are not entitled.
Robin Steele,I agree with you.
if you love someone and want to be with them, be with them (of consenting age of course), if you want to smoke pot, smoke pot (of consenting age of course). I live in washington and don't smoke, but i'd sure as @!$%# rather have you as a neighbor than a drunk or tweeker.... it's your right to do what you feel is best for you. I don't think pot harms very many people, and actually kills zero. I have anxiety and smoked pot all through my late teens and twenties, thought i would forever, grew out of it and started having panic attacks, my neighbor gives me one hit of a joint. and anxiety was gone fast and completely, i just felt like i smoked about an ounce of what we used to get in the day. it's wayyyy to strong for me and i was catatonic for the rest of the day. not my thing, but it definitely worked better and with less harmful effects as Ativan or Xanax. The US could be out of debt in a handful of years should be grow hemp and god forbid save a family farm or two. it's the most asinine law there has ever been scheduled the same as heroin and LSD and scheduled as more dangerous than cocaine. Really. you'd think the people who decided that f-up would at least have attempted to say, study it honestly? it's the biggest quickest most used, profitable and supported plant that we could use to not only jumpstart the economy, but bring back middle america, raising crops that are useful in a bazillion different ways and forms. ridiculous they aren't selling it everywhere taxed to hell. i'm just sayin....
Meribeth; I see your point...I grew up in the age of Woodstock and everyone seemed to smoke it. The only thing is, I found it completely boring to sit around and stare at black light posters with music screaming at high volume. My choice was alcohol and meth and cocaine which lead to some bad things. I am past that, but see some of my children (who surprisingly have little interest in drugs and drinking) have friends that are entirely useless, non-productive young adults with no HS education who smoke,much, watch movies and sleep...Working is impossible.The problem is that we seem to be able to measure impairment in drinkers, but there are no standards for weed. I know it has been legalized here in AZ for medicinal purposes (which for some doctors means come see me, pay me and here's your script) but not allowed yet as they haven't figured out how to control the dispensaries, who will run and oversee them, regulate the quality of what is being sold and for those who don't live within 25 miles of one, they are allowed to grow and harvest a certain amount of for self-use plants. Like that is going to work, right? I don't know, but people who sit inertly and just sit with big goofy smiles on their faces bore me.
Questions
Excessive government has created such a mess it prompts
many questions:
prison?
drinking of raw milk?
as legal tender as mandated by the Constitution?
repatriating their gold held by the FED for her in New York? Is it that
the trust in the U.S. and dollar supremacy beginning to wane?
unnecessary to thoroughly audit our own gold?
they can buy?
American traveling by air?
life for crimes without victims—as our drug laws require?
regulate commodes in our homes?
AIPAC ?
an obvious failure and violates the people’s rights? Has nobody noticed
that the authorities can’t even keep drugs out of the prisons? How can
making our entire society a prison solve the problem?
involved in border disputes and civil strife around the world and ignore
the root cause of the most deadly border in the world-the one between
Mexico and the US?
to the Executive Branch?
policy? Could it be that the views of both parties are essentially the
same?
foreign banks and foreign central banks get bailed out in 2008 and the
middle class lost their jobs and their homes?
officials believe that creating money out of thin air creates wealth?
that government bureaucrats and politicians can protect us from ourselves
without totally destroying the principle of liberty?
sheepled
money and more money
Republicans have typicallly used states rights arguments to justify racial hate. SO who's reallly ironic?
@Ronald Hussein Reagan
Please provide some examples of such that would actually make sense to rationally thinking people.
fyi, some of the biggest racists in this country are the people who cry racism at the drop of a hat.
Hey! All you dip@!$%#$! This is about children being murdered by a lunatic, remember? Try to stay on point. You know, like the subject at hand. "Our most precious resource." What a pathetic bunch.
"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." Albert Einstein
ROTFLMAO!!! And you've just proven that quote beyond any shadow of a doubt!
Why don't you scroll up and check the headline of the story "Einstein"
for some, they get blind emotional rage when something that has no effect on them happens somewhere. that school shooting is not a national tragedy and does not need to be addressed at the national level. there are more important national matters than a local criminal act perpetrated by someone who is now dead.
W. was far worse in the coke department. Far, far worse. At least he admitted though, unlike Clinton's "I did not inhale" comment.
Clinton tried weed
Bush snorted coke.
Barack smoked crack, snorted coke, smoked weed and more.
Past tense???
That reminds me of a joke. Three surgeons are having lunch. One says,"I'm the best surgeon ever. I re-attached this guy's fingers after they'd all been cut off in an accident. Now he's a concert pianist." The second surgeon says, "That's nothing. I had this girl whose face was ripped off by wild animals. I re-attached everything, and now she's a world-class model." The third surgeon says, "You guys are amateurs. 25 years ago, I had to work on this drunk, coked-up cowboy who had tried to race a train on horseback. All I had to work with was a cowboy hat and a horse's ass, and now he's the President of the United States."
Bush snorted coke , got drunk , rammed cars into stuff . Oh yeah , sssssooooo much better .
AH-Hmmm..
Einstein was a Coke advocate & user as were many of his associates in his peer group .
It's not the drug, it's the UNDERLYING PSYCHOSIS of the user that causes societal problems .
Same for guns .
Questions
Excessive government has created such a mess it prompts
many questions:
prison?
drinking of raw milk?
as legal tender as mandated by the Constitution?
repatriating their gold held by the FED for her in New York? Is it that
the trust in the U.S. and dollar supremacy beginning to wane?
unnecessary to thoroughly audit our own gold?
they can buy?
American traveling by air?
life for crimes without victims—as our drug laws require?
regulate commodes in our homes?
AIPAC ?
an obvious failure and violates the people’s rights? Has nobody noticed
that the authorities can’t even keep drugs out of the prisons? How can
making our entire society a prison solve the problem?
involved in border disputes and civil strife around the world and ignore
the root cause of the most deadly border in the world-the one between
Mexico and the US?
to the Executive Branch?
policy? Could it be that the views of both parties are essentially the
same?
foreign banks and foreign central banks get bailed out in 2008 and the
middle class lost their jobs and their homes?
officials believe that creating money out of thin air creates wealth?
that government bureaucrats and politicians can protect us from ourselves
without totally destroying the principle of liberty?
once is enough buddy...
Sorry Backcountry - in the 1950s Democrats (Who would sooon be Repubolicans) used the states rights argument to justify keeeping schoools alll white Separate but Equal sound familiar?" . SInce Lyndon Joghnson got the Civil RIghts acts pased the white southern Democrat found a more comfortable place for their brand of hate. THe most dramatic instance of what 's hjapppened occurred on electiuon night 20008. THe map with who won what state loooked like theings were about the same as they were in the Civil War.A coincidence? I think not.
Ronald Hussein Reagan
My bad, I just assumed we were talking about something from our lifetimes. If you want to go by ancient history why not go bak a little further and remember that it was the republicans who freed the slaves. See how that works? You can go back and cherry pick any point in history to make any statement regarding either party. Let me know if you've actually got an example from this century and I'll take you seriously.
so you admit that is was democrats who were the racists? it was progressives who started in the dem party then migrated to the repubs, progressives are the real problem but the dems and repubs are just greed platforms. it was repubs who wanted equal rights for all per the DoI and US Constitution with the dems against it. dem confederates created the KKK and even had members in its party as recent as the late senator byrd. show me a repub that was a known KKK member?
when we as citizens can get rid of this 2 party corruption, maybe we can advance our society instead of going backwards, running in circles.
blowhard, how many times does sheeple have to repeat the same cut & paste?
Obama is still toking.....
we can only hope...
Probably how he remains so mellow after a hard day dealing with teabagger nonsense .
He's naturally stoned and dizzy and don't need it anymore.
BlowbamaSucks... Then move to another country. This President, like it or not, was re-elected by popular vote. That's, you know, the majority of the American people. He didn't have to steal it, either. If you don't agree, well then, get to hell out.
@Sam-3910152
Funny how liberals have a different point of view anytime the majority pass a law they disagree with. Oh, wait...That's not funny, it's hypocrisy.
Our jails are overflowing with minor users of drugs who were sentenced to outrageous time in prison, in some cases mandatory life sentences. Some serve longer than murderers and rapists, for example. Its about time this country gets its priorities straight as to what constitutes a major crime, and what doesn't. Lets struggle hard to get this country at least into the late 20th century thinking.
sentencing guidelines tend to be set by state or local govt, not federal. ----- even in states where pot is illegal, there are places where they won't arrest you for possession of one or two joints.
ronpal, sentencing guidelines tend to be set by state or local govt, not federal???
State laws have state sentencing guidelines, federal laws have federal sentencing guidelines. States have nothing to do with what a Federal judge does.
Dale, When was the last time you saw someone charged in Federal Court for simple possession of marijuana, It does not happen, Those in federal court are there because they are smugglers or dealers, Further those in prison for state crimes involving marijuana are in prison for multiple offenses and not just possessing a joint or pipe.
I love the Pine Barrons, But Lost to the notion that the Fed's can take care of all the problems
Any and all that are caught on Federal lands is prosecuted under Fed's jurisdiction...NF lands, Indian Reservations, BLM land, National Parks... Need more? Yes for just a joooint you will go to federal jail.
Questions
Excessive government has created such a mess it prompts
many questions:
prison?
drinking of raw milk?
as legal tender as mandated by the Constitution?
repatriating their gold held by the FED for her in New York? Is it that
the trust in the U.S. and dollar supremacy beginning to wane?
unnecessary to thoroughly audit our own gold?
they can buy?
American traveling by air?
life for crimes without victims—as our drug laws require?
regulate commodes in our homes?
AIPAC ?
an obvious failure and violates the people’s rights? Has nobody noticed
that the authorities can’t even keep drugs out of the prisons? How can
making our entire society a prison solve the problem?
involved in border disputes and civil strife around the world and ignore
the root cause of the most deadly border in the world-the one between
Mexico and the US?
to the Executive Branch?
policy? Could it be that the views of both parties are essentially the
same?
foreign banks and foreign central banks get bailed out in 2008 and the
middle class lost their jobs and their homes?
officials believe that creating money out of thin air creates wealth?
that government bureaucrats and politicians can protect us from ourselves
without totally destroying the principle of liberty?
The penalty for first offense possesion of marijuana on federal land for a minimal amount such as a joint is maximum 1 year in jail and $1000 fine, Those are maximum sentencing guidelines which we all know are never enforced, Almost all circumstances of simple possession are dealt with via a fine and probation and or a type of conditional discharge. Yes I know what NORML has posted on their website but those are maximum penalties, Those penaltines are equal to most state penalties and we know that most all 1st offenders are given conditional discharges.
As for the rest of your questions, We need rules, While we may agree or disagree on certain rules we are a country of laws and laws are needed to prevent anarchy, If you do not like a certain law/laws then you are free to petition our government to change those laws and if you get enough people to agree with you most times those laws can be changed.
FYI, I am not of the notion that the FEDs are the answer to everything, In fact I feel just the opposite, I feel our government has grown too large, But laws and regulations are not what makes government large, It is the beaurcracy that is added. If you think that these states that have legalized pot will make money on it due to the ability to tax it you are mistaken, What will happen is people will either gro it themselves or they will still buy it from illegal dealers because it will be cheaper, Further the beauracracy that it will create to implement the taxation will cost more than any tax that is collected.
FYI Sheepled...It is Pine Barrens and not barrons...barrons would suggest devoid of life, The pine barrens are far from that, They are a wonderfully diverse ecosystem
maybe you need to look at a dictionary as both of you were wrong lol
bar·ren
/ˈbarən/
Adjective
(of land) Too poor to produce much or any vegetation.
Noun
A barren tract or tracts of land.
Synonyms
sterile - infertile - fruitless - unproductive - arid
bar·on
/ˈbarən/
Noun
Pine Barrens
noun
an extensive coastal region in S and SE New Jersey, composed chiefly of pine stands, sandy soils, and swampy streams. about 2000 sq. mi. (5180 sq. km).
Yay. stay out of it. waste of time and money to chase potheads.
Say that Christopher Hales, died Feb 15, 2006 in a head-on collision with a drug using driver. The charge was intoxication manslaughter. Sentence Life in prison. Too bad Mr. Hales didn't get to live his life.
No different than if the person was intoxicated with alcohol. But even with marijuana being illegal, there are more car accidents related to alcohol than weed.
Good idea, while we're at it, let's also ban these activities for all drivers: changing CD's or radio stations, cell phone use, eating, taking prescription drugs or over-the-counter sleeping medications, and of course all alcoholic beverages because each of them have caused, and will cause more fatalities on the road. It is tragic that people continue to operate moving vehicles while they are distracted or impaired and I would be the last to condone it. However; I am far more worried about the increasing number of people texting with 2 hands or on their cell phones than the effects of these laws in Colorado and Washington.
AvgJoeTx,
Just looked up this accident. The driver of the truck was found to have a large amount of methamphetamine and a smaller amount of alcohol in his system. Too bad it hadn't been pot; in the states that have legalized medical marijuana there's been a reduction in both frequency and severity of auto accidents.
Hard to wreck at 4 miles an hour ..... :)
bjer,
Chase the potheads? What chase? We'll be around a camfire listening to music, laughing, eating Doritos and having a good time.
MNPat don't let facts get in the way of AvgJoeTx's ill informed rant.
I tried pot a couple times in my 20's but wasn't too impressed. Made an 8 hour work day seem like a 20 hour day. Haven't used it since and am now in my 60's. That being said I didn't find it to be as impairing as alcohol and see no reason for the massive resources trying to stop it's use or ruin so many lives of people that other wise are law abiding. Better to tax it. Even if taxed heavily like cigarettes I don't see usage dropping. If they allow it to be legally grown it shuts down traffickers cold.
Robin Steele...That was truly funny...I'm still laughing....No one's much in a hurry to much of anything when stoned.
Questions
Excessive government has created such a mess it prompts
many questions:
prison?
drinking of raw milk?
as legal tender as mandated by the Constitution?
repatriating their gold held by the FED for her in New York? Is it that
the trust in the U.S. and dollar supremacy beginning to wane?
unnecessary to thoroughly audit our own gold?
they can buy?
American traveling by air?
life for crimes without victims—as our drug laws require?
regulate commodes in our homes?
AIPAC ?
an obvious failure and violates the people’s rights? Has nobody noticed
that the authorities can’t even keep drugs out of the prisons? How can
making our entire society a prison solve the problem?
involved in border disputes and civil strife around the world and ignore
the root cause of the most deadly border in the world-the one between
Mexico and the US?
to the Executive Branch?
policy? Could it be that the views of both parties are essentially the
same?
foreign banks and foreign central banks get bailed out in 2008 and the
middle class lost their jobs and their homes?
officials believe that creating money out of thin air creates wealth?
that government bureaucrats and politicians can protect us from ourselves
without totally destroying the principle of liberty?
@RobinSteele: good point. Actually, if we want to save money on fuel, the cops could setup enforcement checkpoints at places like Dairy Queen, Taco Johns, and minimarts running a special on Doritos.
BlowbamaSucks... Why don't you just go away? We're talking about the murders of children here. Or, at least we were until all of the political "experts" decided to puke of their rhetoric her.
@Sam-3910152
You must be having a conversation with yourself. Try not to confuse the voices in your head with the forum you're reading.
Any upcoming Seahawks-Broncos game will be an immediate sellout.
Well, the nachos will sell out pretty quick anyway.
LMAO!!
Peace and good luck to you notsojingo.
sp2!!!!
What a very nice thing it is to see ya, my friend. Been too long. Peace & Blessings to You!
:-)))
LOL, I've been thinking pretty much the same thing. Can you imagine the lines at the concession stands now?
Questions
Excessive government has created such a mess it prompts
many questions:
prison?
drinking of raw milk?
as legal tender as mandated by the Constitution?
repatriating their gold held by the FED for her in New York? Is it that
the trust in the U.S. and dollar supremacy beginning to wane?
unnecessary to thoroughly audit our own gold?
they can buy?
American traveling by air?
life for crimes without victims—as our drug laws require?
regulate commodes in our homes?
AIPAC ?
an obvious failure and violates the people’s rights? Has nobody noticed
that the authorities can’t even keep drugs out of the prisons? How can
making our entire society a prison solve the problem?
involved in border disputes and civil strife around the world and ignore
the root cause of the most deadly border in the world-the one between
Mexico and the US?
to the Executive Branch?
policy? Could it be that the views of both parties are essentially the
same?
foreign banks and foreign central banks get bailed out in 2008 and the
middle class lost their jobs and their homes?
officials believe that creating money out of thin air creates wealth?
that government bureaucrats and politicians can protect us from ourselves
without totally destroying the principle of liberty?
sheepled
Dude, you're just being a @!$%#ing ass-hole at this point. Were you trying to get people to ignore what you're saying? Because no one takies a spamming troll seriously.
um, sheepled is a paid poster, used to do ron paul stuff if i remember right.... this seems like the same nonsense from before, but any reply he gets makes him money....
@sheepled: adequate troll; it has a number the key characteristics we normally look for:
- Baseless / pointless accusation (.5)
- Immediate changing of the subject (2)
- Includes other people that have absolutely nothing to do with this thread (1)
- Potential to elicit meaningless responses and hijack the discussion (.5)
Total = 4 out of 10: if you could have somehow worked in Obama's citizenship in - e.g. something like "as a non-US citizen, is he even allowed to legally purchase paraphernalia when he goes to Colorado!?!?!!!", I would have given you a higher score .... As Rutherford asid so well in Risky Business, "You've done some solid work, but it's just not Ivy League now, is it?"
Who cares if Obama smoked. The point is that the feds are going to sit back on this and see how the state laws play out. Sounds like a good way for the government to save a load of cash.
The Feds are not sitting back and won't in the future either. They have forced many business of medical pot to close because they have told the banks that the banks face being closed if they have bank accounts with the medical sellers. If a business cannot have a checking account and must always operate with cash only just how long can they stay in business? There are many people who can benifit from pot with their illness. I am not in favor of the new law here in Colorado as the pot of today is different (stronger) than the pot of the 60's and 70's. I have never used it but have many friends that have. Some still do and others out grew it and went on to other stronger drugs. Obama should be called the "liar in chief". He says just what he needs to say to cover any situation.
idiot -- government doesn't save cash -- they spend it, so whether it's on this issue or another they'll spend like drunken sailors. Mr. O is a spending junkie but then again he's got to pay back all those supporters and bundlers. Every wonder why Madoff is in jail and Corzine isn't???? Didn't bother you all the millions of dollars thrown at green companies that were affliated with his 1rst election and they went bankrupt (14 so far)? What about 4 MURDERED Americans that he and his regime tried to cover up as a riot over a vague video that came out in July????? You lap dogs are so predictable.
pot is stronger now ??? ---- i guess you never grew your own back then.
If Obama is a "spending junkie," how did our previous president turn a surplus into a massive deficit?
Is it fiscally conservative to cut taxes and increase spending on the military, medicare part D, etc etc?
Why did Dick Cheney say "deficits don't matter?"
Admit it, Obama isn't even spending very much. You guys only care about spending when we have a Democratic president because you're afraid it might improve the economy and make him look good.
Yeah...we all know that laws don't apply to him....I mean 4 Americans died under strange circumstances that might involve him...but hey it ain't no thang!!!
And once again the convenient ignorance strikes. Nothing to say about thousands of Our Servicemen and women killed in an Illegal War as well as 1o's of thousands of innocent civilians in Iraq?? Petty Rabble-rousing Hypocrites.
Pot is not a crime. It is a plant. Obama should demand no enforcement against the States, as well as move to decriminalize Nationally. Bushbama. He is just doing what he is told to.
So yeah... before the thread was hijacked by the Benghazi attack crack heads... It's nice to see that we might be possibly concentrating on other crimes besides giving stoners a hard time. And yes, it can save money by getting drug users out of jail cells in over crowded prisons.
Dotties girl. Sorry you haven't the ability to think. Bush was the big spender not Obama. Bush's last budget that ran from Oct. 2008 through Oct. 2009 had a deficit of 1.2 trillion dollars and brought our debt up to 12.1 trillion. So Bush added 6 .4 trillion to the debt. Had Obama simply ran Bush's last budget his term the debt would still be 15.7 trillion. Obama added 4.6 in 4 years but most of that was funding Bush's tax cuts, Bush's war funding and his 100 billion a year drug plan. The only new program Obama started is Obamacare which is fully funded.
As for the Benghazi so called cover up, what difference would it have made whether you call it a spontaneous attack or terrorist attack? That's why only those that hate Obama anyway give a @!$%#. They'd be dead regardless. What about the cover up from Bush where his administration was informed of men of middle eastern descent training to fly planes but not concerned with landing. The Bush administration ignored this warning and these same men are well remembered every 9-11.
Questions
Excessive government has created such a mess it prompts
many questions:
prison?
drinking of raw milk?
as legal tender as mandated by the Constitution?
repatriating their gold held by the FED for her in New York? Is it that
the trust in the U.S. and dollar supremacy beginning to wane?
unnecessary to thoroughly audit our own gold?
they can buy?
American traveling by air?
life for crimes without victims—as our drug laws require?
regulate commodes in our homes?
AIPAC ?
an obvious failure and violates the people’s rights? Has nobody noticed
that the authorities can’t even keep drugs out of the prisons? How can
making our entire society a prison solve the problem?
involved in border disputes and civil strife around the world and ignore
the root cause of the most deadly border in the world-the one between
Mexico and the US?
to the Executive Branch?
policy? Could it be that the views of both parties are essentially the
same?
foreign banks and foreign central banks get bailed out in 2008 and the
middle class lost their jobs and their homes?
officials believe that creating money out of thin air creates wealth?
that government bureaucrats and politicians can protect us from ourselves
without totally destroying the principle of liberty?
Sheepled, everyone just scrolls past your post now.
BlowbamaSucks... Your problem is obvious: It's called Cranial-rectal inversion. I've gotta' ask, though; Does it hurt your ears when you try to pull your head out? Just wondering.
Sam-3910152
LOL! Considering you've done the exact same thing by posting on the wrong thread why don't you tell us?
That may be his attitude, but we'll see what the DOJ does.
Exactly, this administration has attacked more medical marijuana clinics in 4 years than any other administration. You look at Eric Holder, it is obvious that he is getting tapped by Chapo Guzman (mexican cartel leader) so he helps him out, they are one of the main beneficiaries of our drug laws. Of course the private companies that run our prisons get a lot and then an entire interdiction industry from the military, DEA etc etc. The DEA would rather bust a pothead than get off their fat worthless useless a$$ and go walk the border. 1973, Nixon declares the "War on Drugs" so how is it going for you all. I think State govt. should call out the guard to prevent the feds from busing anybody. Just to make this clear, I am 55 don't smoke dope but do pay taxes and this is just one more case of stupidity in govt and people being to stupid or weak to stand up.
Exactly, this administration has attacked more medical marijuana clinics in 4 years than any other administration. You look at Eric Holder, it is obvious that he is getting tapped by Chapo Guzman (mexican cartel leader) so he helps him out, they are one of the main beneficiaries of our drug laws. Of course the private companies that run our prisons get a lot and then an entire interdiction industry from the military, DEA etc etc. The DEA would rather bust a pothead than get off their fat worthless useless a$$ and go walk the border. 1973, Nixon declares the "War on Drugs" so how is it going for you all. I think State govt. should call out the guard to prevent the feds from busing anybody. Just to make this clear, I am 55 don't smoke dope but do pay taxes and this is just one more case of stupidity in govt and people being to stupid or weak to stand up.
You have to look at the reason why this administration 'attacked' more MMJ clinics than any other - it's because after Obama said in 2008 that his administration would leave clinics alone, thousands of clinics opened in Medical Marijuana states. In Southern California alone we had hundreds open - sometimes right next door to each other.
I firmly believe that Cannabis should be legal to grow and use, and I have a MMJ card myself. Still - many of the clinics were violating both state and federal law. I went in several that had a bunch of young people hanging out getting high in a lounge area inside, with more young people hanging around outside. I have no doubt that they would sell to you with or without a prescription - and regardless the way they ran their business would upset business owners next door and cause complaints. Most of those are now gone.
Others had a receptionist and an armed guard in the lobby. They checked papers thoroughly, and even have a 2 door entrance system - one that opens with a button from the lobby, the other opens with a button to the budtender area. That dispensary is still open.
Questions
Excessive government has created such a mess it prompts
many questions:
prison?
drinking of raw milk?
as legal tender as mandated by the Constitution?
repatriating their gold held by the FED for her in New York? Is it that
the trust in the U.S. and dollar supremacy beginning to wane?
unnecessary to thoroughly audit our own gold?
they can buy?
American traveling by air?
life for crimes without victims—as our drug laws require?
regulate commodes in our homes?
AIPAC ?
an obvious failure and violates the people’s rights? Has nobody noticed
that the authorities can’t even keep drugs out of the prisons? How can
making our entire society a prison solve the problem?
involved in border disputes and civil strife around the world and ignore
the root cause of the most deadly border in the world-the one between
Mexico and the US?
to the Executive Branch?
policy? Could it be that the views of both parties are essentially the
same?
foreign banks and foreign central banks get bailed out in 2008 and the
middle class lost their jobs and their homes?
officials believe that creating money out of thin air creates wealth?
that government bureaucrats and politicians can protect us from ourselves
without totally destroying the principle of liberty?
Sheepled... Just learned to copy and paste, did we? We get it. Go away!
@Rich, You make a valid point, but to think the DEA didnt do what they to could to make things more difficult for the clinic owners who were following state law is shortsighted. Its not an Obama thing, its a DEA thing.
Am so tired of the deliberate choice of leadership to keep allowing people to break the law. If marijuana use is so inconsequential, change the law. The danger of not upholding the law will get this country into more trouble.
Used to be a law in Germany that you had to report Jews to the Gov't so they could be sent to concentration camps or risk going yourself . Bad laws should be opposed by any means possible . Our founding fathers were breaking the law by founding this nation , too .
Pot has Been un-officially decriminalized. Finally
Bigger fish? Like having another "beer summit" writing children's books or going on the view for the 20th time? You mean like that Barack?
Try taxing it, it may help fry that bigger fish.
There isn't a pot smoker alive that has a problem paying taxes on weed...
they've been offering over a BILLION annually in exchange for minimal possession .
I's conservatives who would rather pay the $30,000 a year to keep everyone of the over 100,000
in prison for pot laws - AND - the war on drugs .
you know obama and his lady toke up nightly , c'mon, he's a brotha.
Racist.
who cares look at the nut killing kids in shcool
And that relates to this how?
I think its cool that Obama is up front about his illegal drug use as a young adult. I can also understand how he would not be pro-drug use as a grown adult.
Obama knows the anti pot laws are b.s. hence his adult attitude.
He even admitted inhaling. How refreshing.
Should fry some nra fish
Grandpa,
So ppl are killed by cars, knives and as we saw in Rwanda that if ppl decide to kill you're not going to stop them with laws.
Rwanda has gun laws that allowed the sheeple of Rwanda be butchered down with machete's from CHINA
Bigger fish to fry like the gun problem.
Bigger fish to fry, like how to get more money out of people who are unemployed due to failed economics.
Bigger fish as in the problem of illegals in this country. Time to enforce the law and deport all of them. No free pass. There are many that went through the process and did it the right way. A free pass is a slap in the face to the people that followed the requirements to be here.
People's voice : Sitting Bull just called , He agrees whole-heartedly with your statement . Damned illegal immigrant europeans !
Sitting Bull
Formed one of the First Homeland Security against Terrorism!
Fighting terrroism for 500 yrs...
Sure you can trust your government
Just ask an American Indian how that turned out for them
NATIVE PRIDE! MATAKUAOSIN (TO ALL MY RELATIVES)
My heart cries for sandy hook
The way it looks, CO and WA are going to be the guinea pigs for the experiment. A real good source of revenue for the states. But too much regulation would not be as recreational as some people thought. The states will take full control of the industry and households will not be allowed to grow their own. The growing, buying and selling will be taxed to the max and they'll make the trade as expensive as the illegal times (only legal).
Of course you will be able to grow. People brew their own beer daily in the US.
they don't have sufficient manpower to try to go after every person who grows a plant or two for his own use.
Try reading the laws before you make uninformed comments about it. In CO it will be legal for adults 21 and up to grow up to 6 plants with 3 or fewer in mature flowering stage. As for the taxation, that was a big part of how it was passed. No one expected the price to drop, we just wanted to see it made legal.
well.... washington's law was a little more ambiguous about how you obtain your weed. ----- in colorado, that won't change things much for people i know who have been growing their own for at least 4 decades.
@MrEd7451
What you're saying is not a fact in WA and my point was, this is only the beginning before every state makes it legal in the next few years.
Of course, people have been illegally growing forever but if you think you'll keep your 6 plants deal in CO, good luck with that!
Washington's law requires that legal MJ be purchased from an authorized retailer who obtains it from an authorized & licensed grower. Taxes are paid on all transactions at all levels. Growing your own is currently not an option in the Evergreen State
@MrEd7451
Try Reading comprehension 101 before you belittle others.
Ignorance in our country is in fact a much bigger problem than drugs.
Under Constitutional law, the structure of the Federal governments legislative authority extends to matters of a national interest, inter-state commerce and things which are of a common interest to citizens of multiple states, but not over internal legislative matters concerning a single state, except when a states legislative actions encroach upon the enumerated powers granted to Congress by the US Constitution.
There is nothing in the US Constitution which forbids states from granting more than the minimum rights guaranteed by the amendments to the US Constitution..........Meaning, as long as a product is grown, manufactured, sold and consumed entirely by citizens of a particular state the federal government has no jurisdiction whatsoever.............For the record- I am not a pot user
JJsee
You might want to take your own advice, my comment was in direct response to lillirocks statement about not being able to grow at home, as I point out, in THIS state, it is legal to grow. It will vary state to state depending on what each state chooses to do with their OWN laws. You speak of others' ignorance and lack of comprehension while fully exposing your own. I did understand lilirock's comment, I was merely pointing out that it was inaccurate as pertaining to CO.
IT'S a WEED & in a country founded on the
freedom of religion by the grace of the creator of all things
we insult that creator by declaring it's creation illegal,
while jacked-up on alcohol, nicotine, caffeine & refined sugar !
I suppose you like poison ivy too, afterall it is one of gods creations..maybe you should try smoking some...your argument is ridiculous, By you argument we should not prosecute people who murder because afterall they are gods creations
What a country. We let the mexicans stay in the U.S. and give them free medical insurance and priorities on business and free business loans and college education without a taxpayer vote. Obama supports Gay marriage with benefits, except in the military. States voted to legalize cannabis but the Federal government has an issue with that. Pardon me, has the Constitution been suspended?
are we now living in the united states of Obama? If so let me know so I can move to costa Rica.
Yeah, he might not be going after potheads, but I'm sure him and his goon squad lead by Michelle "The @!$%#" Leonhart will still be cracking down on growers and distributors. Then only reason he even said it is because he knows that State and Local police aren't required to enforce federal laws regarding marijuana when state law says it's okay to choose a safer alternative to booze.
Michelle will never allow it to be grown in her organic White House garden...Smoking weed leads to obesity!
Seriously, take into account all the deaths & uncontrolled beatings & stupid acts of violence contributed to alcohol that we hear about and don't hear about everyday...in my opinion - just legalize & regulate and let our govenment deal with all the other bigger crisis's in this country!
mmmmmmmmm, fried fish (said the pothead)
So why the F*ck isn't Obama rounding up all the illegals and shipping them back home? Carry out the LAW Mister Obama!!!
Basically he is saying that no matter what we do people will still get drugs. That the fact that drugs are illegal aren't stopping people from getting them.
Yet wait for it.
He will next say that we need to ban guns after what happened today. Like that is going to keep people from getting guns.
It doesn't work for drugs it isn't going to work for guns.
He's too busy with the NHL...
gun control does work in some countries. perhaps we need to give it a try. i'm ready to turn in all of mine.
According to the GOP party line, the illegals are self deporting in hoards...
because BUSH drove the economy into a blackhole there aren't enough jobs left for them .
din't you get the FOX memo ?
The current administration has a much better record of that than the last one did. But why let facts spoil a good rant?
Let it be known that on 12-14-12 Obama and I finally agree on something. The war on pot is the second dumbest war America has ever fought after Vietnam.
And we all know how making alcohol illegal turned out..