Guns are as available as Arizona Ice Tea and Skittles at your local convenience store. There has to be a way to control the flow by greedy gun manufacturers both domestic and abroad. For one, make it impossible to get guns without having a permit to own one in the first place. You must go through a comprehensive background process, and pay for it, in order to get a permit to purchase a handgun or rifle. Gun manufacturers must have federal limits on the number produced and exactly where they go when leaving the factory and tracked by serial number to end sales. Same with ammo. 2nd Amendment protected and police know where every single gun is in the nation.

What about all the killings by gangs and criminals. In Chicago alone almost 2400 shootings and 500 deaths. Before you start with the law biding citizens how about cleaning up the guns from the known criminals first. You have to go through a background check now. At one time it was illegal to consume liquor and everyone drank. I own a gun and I for one don't want an intrusive government looking over my shoulder. First clean up the criminal aspect of gun ownershipn and then discuss how to limit the rest of us.

@Tracontech: Really??? 1. Let's put a limit on how much money you can make for your family (like you want to do with the gun mfgrs) and see how you like it. 2. Everyone who buys from a licensed dealer already has to go through a background check (and pay for it), so the gov't knows where A Lot of the guns are and can confiscate them much easier (and does). How about instead, we quit punishing those who are not criminals for what the criminals are doing. Every community that has outlawed possession of firearms has seen a drastic increase in violent crimes, while communities that have required everyone to own a gun has seen crime drop dramatically (crazy sounding but it happens). Guns are not the problem, people are.

@Mom90210: We're proposing limiting guns just as we do narcotic prescriptions, alcohol, and tobacco, sweetie. 40% of guns bought in America have no background check requirements, which vary from state to state. No one is advocating outlawing gun possession, just knowing where every single gun is located by serial number and the background of the owners. Transfer of guns from person to person should be illegal unless done through legal means. Yes, we do need to know where every single gun and every box of ammo was sold and to whom sold. Today we witnessed yet another terrorist act on American soil. Something has to be done to limit the carnage, because we all know it can never be totally alleviated - just as with drug and alcohol abuse.

Why the HELL weren't there any security guards on staff? These principals make a TON of money, why didn't they hire security guards? The principal needs to share some blame here.

@Guy Fawkes: Its absurd to think that all illegal guns must be policed before we can control any new gun manufacturing or sales. That's like saying you have to get all the spilled water cleaned-up before you patch the huge hole in the dam that's broken. Get real, no one is advocating banning gun ownership. Everyone I know says its time to limit the proliferation of guns and ammo in America. Stop new guns from ending up on the streets illegally and do thorough background checks on potential gun owners that includes their mental status and law breaking before they can get a permit to own a gun. Legal and law abiding citizens will pay for their background checks and be permitted before they can even hold a gun at any gun point-of-sale. Selling or transferring a gun illegally should be a high felony that carrys 20 to life.

Its very tragic incident. Being parents I know how hard to even think about this incident. I still wonder Why none of TV or media people talk about gun control policy? Dont we think there is something wrong with laws if the guy with semi automatic rifle can walk to elementary school and kill innocent children. I really hope President OBAMA does do something meaningful as he said during his speech this afternoon. My heart goes with family of children who has suffered both psychological and physical stress due to what happen this morning. very sad day for country and world.

tracontech, and what happens if the guns were stolen by him? Won't you feel like a complete moron then??? And I laugh everytime I hear that arguement that people with criminal backrounds are all dangerous violent people. It's ridiculous, can you use some common judgement? Someone who has been to jail for possessing marijuana is probably not a violent person, and you assuming that they are horrible people for making a mistake and going to jail only further causes violence. Once they are released from prison, they have paid their debt to society and should be treated as any other citizen.

This is senseless, But This is not a Gun issues, Don't let them take your guns away. this is an issue of Drugs and the millions of people on anti- depressants, and Psychotropic drugs and the people who know about their loved ones who are unstable but ignore their behavior it's an epidemic in this country we'll see much more of this because many sick people can't cope.

tracontech...You are So uninformed and making statements that have no basis in facts. Gun laws are

set by the Federal Government. Background checks are always Federal and sometimes there are extra State and or locale requirements . Criminals do things that are against the law. That is why they are called Criminals. No amount of laws will stop a criminal from doing criminal things. Only tougher enforcement and much more severe punishment of criminals will have any effect. Automatic death sentence for anyone selling street drugs will slow the sale of these drugs. Long prison time at Very Hard labor for anyone that buys these drugs will slow consumption. Since this type of law enforcement would reduce the number of

people that would need the services of people in the legal professions, do not expect lawyers or any

of our elected officials, since many of them are lawyers, to come forth and advocate strict law enforcement. Do a crime and be ready to pay a very high price.

IT'S NOT THE GUNS that are the problem, IT'S The PEOPLE behind them...It's the people that have mental problems that don't get help and those that have a yard long criminal record that get out of jail back to a life of crime with no other skills and those that don't have permits to carry...The laws are all there but you have to ENFORCE THEM in order to make them useful...

tracontech

"Gun manufacturers must have federal limits on the number produced and exactly where they go when leaving the factory and tracked by serial number to end sales."

There is a problem with that though. Not all guns are to say already built. Handguns are, but not rifles.

For example, lets take the AR-15 Rifle. You can purchase one already built..or you can build it your self. The only thing that is needed for a background check is the lower receiver, at least here in NY. This is the part that is consider that shoots the gun..All it is, is just a hollow piece of aluminum. Everything else can be bought with out checks..stocks, upper receiver, sights, barrel and so on.

Now how do you propose to limit this? They are not made just by one company as per say a Glock Handgun. They are made by MANY. Some companies may only make this part and that's it.

Just do a search on - AR-15 lower receiver manufacturers

You should get the first hit to AR-15 site that lists a few of them.

Same applies to ammo..Every Box? Ok..no need to buy boxes..I will buy in bulk..Track that too? Ok fine...I will just buy the shells, primers, and heads separate and make them my self. I have friends who do this now because it is cheaper..though expensive for the tools to do it. Prime example I am talking about is the site goldenwestbrass.

Thing is also people who do get them legally pretty much are tracked. Most states already have a quick NICS check. I think over 5,000,000 a year are done? But how many of these are stolen? We already know we can't trust our own Gov. when it comes to this as they hand Assault Rifles to drug lords just to try and track them.

"We're proposing limiting guns just as we do narcotic prescriptions, alcohol, and tobacco, sweetie."

But everything you just listed here can be abused. Narcotics? How many Hollywood stars you hear died of OD? Because a Dr. keeps prescribing them the drugs? Limit on Alcohol? How so..I can buy as much as I want. Tobacco? Same thing, I can buy as much as I want. They are age restricted now, but so are guns. So I am not sure if I understand what you mean by limiting here.

Now one thing I do agree is that all States should have a standard checks and balances. If one state checks and another doesn't then that should be looked at. Here in NY you are deemed a Criminal for the rest of your life if you are charge with "Possession with a Burglars Tool". It's a minor misdemeanor, a screw driver can be consider this..can be an idiotic thing you did when you were 18 but it is with you for the rest of your life under NY law. Guess what? NY Considers it a Serious Offense and with that, you aren't allowed to Carry or Possess a firearm. BUT attempting burglary isn't consider a Serious Offense..go figure!

Jen, yet again, assuming that all people with a crime on their record or with a mental illness are violent is counterproductive. I have ADHD which is a mental illness, should I not be allowed to own a gun because of it? Furthermore, do you REALLY want Republicans legislating thought crimes? Those jokes? Everyone who is gay or has thought of cheating would eventually be sent to prison or given capital punishment just for thinking those things. I'm a liberal here and I'm more pro-guns and rational than most people. I'm not in favor of gun control because it's unfair and counterproductive.

Update guys: The gunman stole the gun from his mother. How would regulation have helped exactly? Suck it you gun control morons. I bet you feel pretty retarded now huh knowing that gun control wouldn't have made a difference?

hard to understand why.? but it happened and it's tragic. instead of blaming guns, the school staff, the local law, may be we should look at our selves. we parents here in the us have allowed our self to be dependent on a flawed public system to educate, raise and protect our children. instead of looking for someone to save us. maybe we should take some responsibility for our self's instead of screaming for some new laws, bureaucracy or new agencies or some hand of the gov. to keep us safe may be we should think about what we can do. my daughter goes to school on-line and i don't depend on any one but me to keep my children safe. this is truly horrible thing, no one disagrees on that! we can let the government take care of you from cradle to grave. they can't keep you safe any better than you can. it is necessary to maintain a free state, that the people have the right keep and bear arms.

Nah, the guns won't be taken away...because the children are not those of Congress men/women...they aren't effected, they got Secret Service protection. What needs to happen is the gun manufacturers need to be sued...the same as cigarette makers did.

Yeah Sally because obviously pencils misspell words too.

Looks like it's time again to go legally buy a couple of guns so i can protect myself against those that got guns illegally.It won't be long though before certain anti gun activist win, and they start sending police and military house to house across America to take away every ones guns.

@Sally while we are at it,let's sue all the auto makers fo all the auto related deaths in the U.S.How about suing the food producers because of the nation wide weight gain related problems?

It makes me laugh, sue the gun manufacturers because they made guns that shoot people. Last time I checked there has to be a person behind the trigger they don't just magically go off.

your worried some retarded guns we just lost 20 babies BABIES can u wrap that around ur head who cares if they take away guns good take them all shame on u for worrying about stupid guns

warrren you don't have to worry about your toys....ooops, Guns! Ur an idiot if all you get out of today's tragedy is worrying about your guns you should be flogged!!! 27 human beings died today, including 20 babies that will forever be angels in the lives of their family. You are probably only a few clicks away from the MONSTER that perpetrated this evil deed. And if you're wondering why i said 27 human beings, instead of 28, I don't count your Gun Buddy who used his toy to murder 27 souls as a human being!!! Hug your toys well tonight & be joyful that you'll be able to spend the holidays with them. 27 family's wont have that opportunity!!

Retards who blame guns for shooting deaths are the same Fat ARSES that blame the food for being overweight.

where you at warrren????? Finding it difficult to explain your idiotic comment?????

Sally, you are right. Over 30 years ago when I suggested lawsuits against the tobacco industry, our teacher and several students laughed. Guess who is laughing now? It will be the same thing with the guns and the gun industry. That will make the gun industry eager to TRACK their guns and make sure that the guns are in the hands of RESPONSIBLE owners. You will be amazed at how many measures they will come up with.

Ya he showed emotion unlike you

The guns do not have anything to do with it,The people are the ones, and I don't even own a gun. Every time someone gets shot they blame it on the the gun it's not the gun it's the people like you and me that just lost it or are tired of living stop judging people and just help them that's all everyone that's is judge people please people help each other for god sake and god bless the children. P.S. HELP EACH OTHER,HELP EACH OTHER,HELP EACH OTHER GOD BLESS YOU ALL.

I know exactly how some of these parents must feel.i should have sued a automaker then 20 years ago when my wife was killed in a car accident and left me to raise our son myself.All because some teenagers thought it would be cool to drag race.Alcohol was involved too,I should have sued the acohol companies too.the teens were drinking underage,I should have taken on the government for not passing strong enough laws to prevent them from drinking.Some of you may disagree but i did'nt persue any of that.I simply did a gut check,dried my eyes and raised my son the best way i knew how.(and figured out the rest as we went along)I feel for the families that have to go through this tragedy and all i can say is that life will go on.(somehow)Final not,Now i have an adult son cracking on me for not geting remarried...geez there is no justice.

Forget about wackos.....having a gun, in a heated argument turns most people into wackos......end of story...

If you want to own a rifle and go hunting, I have no problem....own a rifle to protect your family....but assault weapons? Come on! They don't belong anywhere near human hands except in a war situation.

Guns do not KILL people! People KILL people! The US has the largest ununiformed army in the world! The state of Wisconsin has 800,000 hunters and did not have 1 accident W.V. app. 250,000 hunters without an incident last season. Folks It is stress over the economy and hard times. Remember the US is the greatest country in the world. We will change this! This exactly what Obama said! Well you wanted change here it is! I cry for those children and ponder why are government can't balance a budget. Why has our unemployment rate continued to rise. You voted for change hope your PROUD you liberals, who now think guns should be outlawed!God, Guns, and Guts made America Obama is opposed to all 3!

Figures politics would come in this conversation, but as you can see its a damn republican doing it. Get this straight mister....it was a madman with a gun he should not have had that killed inocent children!!!!!!!! We need gun control to keep these madmen from getting them. Typical pug only thinking of himself!

Keep saying Guns do not kill people and people kill people has such a narrow mind and no common sense (like most right winger.) Keep convincing yourself that nothing happen in other area that has more guns. It doesn't addressed that nuts people can obtained gun legally. That's why I'm saying, make it harder for people to get a gun legally. If you're a sane and regular people, why do you object? I'm sure you'll pass the screening easily. Are you hiding something?

I used to be one of those people - all for guns. Gun laws won't help. Just makes it harder on us good people. But seeing stories like this, and this one alone may have changed my mind. Make it harder than hell to obtain a gun and maybe these nut jobs won't be able to get their hands on one. the good guys will be able to get one....even if its a struggle, but if it helps prevent just ONE more massacre of this kind then it is worth it. Bless all those families. This is truly heart wrenching.

"proud to be", I can see that you use this tragedy to make lame and incorrect political points. Do you know that USA has most deaths by firearms than any other developed nation? Do you know that USA has very lax gun laws? Or are you filtering facts to support your opinions?

Guns don't kill people, people kill people. Such a nightmare. Prayers to all the family.

@ProudToBeAnAmerican: The government cannot balance the budget or even fix the current sequester that is looming because Republicans refuse to allow new revenues, they demand cuts and only cuts which won't work to fix our deficit. Unemployment rate is decreasing - what bubble do you conservatives live in nowadays? Liberals don't want guns outlawed, you must be seriously laking enough brain cells to function as a valid human. Concerned gun owners like myself just want everyone who buys a gun or ammo to have a permit to do so. Getting this permit requires a mental and criminal background check... nothing more. Guns are sold to onwers like cars, that must be licensed and reported to law enforcement and tracked by the federal gov. Now what is so difficult about that? Stop the continous flow and then work on cleaning up what's already out there illegally...

Try food.

Which god ? The useless one which allegedly could have saved these children and teachers, and all the consequent suffering but didn't ? Or the one who enjoys blood sacrifices and human torture ?

I suspect both you and I would have intervened in this situation if we could have, and so have much better morals and concern for human well being than any non existent desert deity.

Moral education, concern for others, they certainly belong in schools, but fairy tales belong in the home. If you choose to feed your children nonsense as fact, that is your right, they won't thank you for it when they realise how theistic claims do not meet the standard of evidence in reality.

Those "theistic claims" are what drive people to be morally grounded and responsible. They encourage love and compassion in the community and they teach MOST of us that there is something better to strive for and live for and also gives us hope in situations such as this. Tragedys like this break Christs heart as much as ours. But, He doesn't seek to control us. He seeks to have a relationship with us, which we must actively pursue with our whole heart, in every part of our daily lives (work, school, home, etc). And if we all sought a living, breathing, personal relationship with Him, then we would not suffer these tragedys. Hopefully, you will see that one day.

Hey @happy4.... don't even bother answering misfits like that chicken-leg @Peter Sanders, whom I am sure knows that that the moral foundations of society, and the norms and standards that allow us all to live together as much in peace and harmony, (until these derelict atheists come around), are anchored in CHRISTIANITY, and the philosophy of community sharing and support from the teachings of GOD! There's nothing and I mean nothing of these principles that these damned atheists can show for , let alone even teach their own children along the concepts of "love-for-thy-neighbour", good and bad, and right and wrong without references to Christ and God, and by so, contradicting themselves and their hateful doctrines and that of their brothers from the "New" Garden-of Eden#2 of "Adam and Yves"...LOL!

Merry Christmas to all, and may we learn how to better share our humanity, from this kind of tragedy that again proves the theory of the one "bad apple" syndrome....

Hi there Geraleve, I will refrain from ad homs. The claim that Christianity is required for people to live together peacefully is not supported by the evidence. There is a strong correlation between peacefulness and lack of religions, including Christianity, for example Scandinavian countries. Yahweh is not a peaceful god at all, requiring blood sacrifices and in fact even sanctioning the murder and torture of his own son.

The notions of "love thy neighbour" are not restricted to Christianity. Nor are they well adhered to, for example almost all the people fighting on both sides in WWII were self proclaimed Christians. Most people in US prisons enter as and leave as Christians, and then many go on to do more evil.

The fact is that being a Christian does not immunise someone from mental illness or sexual deviancy.

Society needs to put in place mechanisms to catch people before they go out of control with weapons, because there are no caring gods going to do it for them.

To "Happy" "Tragedys like this break Christs heart as much as ours." Well so you say, but if a) such a being existed and b) it could act, why wouldn't it do anything to prevent it ? The failure to act is just as immoral as the act itself in this case. And I am sure you and I would have done something to reduce the suffering in this case ? So we actually have better morals than any entity which could have acted an didn't. Or are you saying he is impotent ? You can't have it both ways "Happy".

How about, he doesn't exist at all and we are responsible for our own actions ?

Any entity which could have stopped this with a well placed heart attack and didn't is evil and not worth worshipping and praying to. Good thing there is no evidence at all that it exists.

Peter , why would God intervene , from the first man till now , mankind has decided to do things his way instead of God's way . We want him out of all public arenas & want him kept in homes behind closed doors & then we cry foul when his hand isnt in situations like this. I personally believe God is involved in all things to some degree , if for nothing else , to show us how we are without Him & even then , in his grace , he lelps those that have eyes & hearts focused on him . He did promise that after weve had our way & he has had enuff of our way , he will make known himself & every knee will bend & as for his own , every eye will be dried & his peace & love will make all things new. YES , THATS THE YAHWEH you spoke of & you know its true . A long time ago , ive found that if you throw a rock into a pack of dogs , the one that barks the loudest is the one you hit & you sir , althop , are no dog , the bark is clearly heard. Go ahead & profess atheism or agnostic & then try & ignore the voice you fight so hard to silence in others & in your own mind n heart.

Heath, because we all know there are absolutely no whacko teachers, right????

we cant all carry guns, that's ridiculous...up the age requirement to 25 or even 30...run a Psyche test on all gun buyers and ban weapons over 25cal...if your not law enforcement you better have a dam good reason to own a hand gun or assault weapon...this aint the wild west anymore, we are supposed to be a civilized society...I love my guns but i love my kids more..

I honestly don't know the answer, but I can think of every possible scenario to get around everything mentioned. Phychos can talk the talk. He can get one illegally whether it be an age limit that is stopping him or that they are banned all together. If you are willing to do something like this to begin with, you will find a way to get a gun. Just like drugs. Sad, sad, sad. I really can't think of a good answer to the problem.

Go back to what ever country your from, it isn't USA.

I Agree

Interesting that's in USA where all these shootings are happening, isn't it?. Now that you mention other countries.

Now, let's see what you propose to stop them.

Problem is, all it takes is one crazy teacher to be in a bad mood one day and then its 50 kids the next time. There is NO good answer to this madness. Terrible tragedy....my heart goes out to these families.

What COULD have been done about his attitude, even if people DID know? You cant lay a hand on your kids nowadays without risking going to jail or CYF paying you a visit. Hell, you can't even yell at them without being guilty of "verbal abuse".... These kids of ours need to be straightened out

according to one story he was mentally ill...

why just america...why not the world

Problem with that Philly is that they are killing themselves afterwards! They don't care about penalties! These are all KIDS (25 and younger) that are doing these killing sprees. This isn't induced by economics. These are pi$$ed off kids for some reason or another.

I truly think that alot of this has to do with too much coddling as small children. Parents not parenting and being their childrens friend. No spanking, no repercussions for their actions. When you get sent to principles office, its no big deal. They don't care. There needs to be fear brought back to kids about being punished for wrongdoing. anymore everything is the teachers fault at school and the parents back the kid....not the teacher. "My kid does not wrong" mentality. Its in the raising of these kids nowadays. That and the fact that there are too many "fatherless" homes. No more "family". Its just a sad world we are all living. Its only going to get worse.

Why don't you break the mirror Terry Nichols, son-of-gun and Devil's advocate? Why don't talk about the virtues of morality, the notiond of right and wrong, good and bad, without reference to Christianity and GOD? Fire is the Devil's weapon and your mouth spews like a volcano...LOL!

That's why you vociferate instead of speaking...

Strange coincidence in name: wasn't Terry Nichols, the accomplice of the Oklahoma "tragedy"? Nichols, son of another Godless "gun"!...

You're as much of a nutjob as the shooter.

Well said John... God, i have been in tears all day..... This is sickening... My sincere condolences to all the Family member's and they're loss... Babies, the staff that died protecting them... My prayer's go out to them...

Don't waste time on arguing about gun law's because it's a waste of time... Let's focus on Security. I work Public Safety, 24 year's now... I own one fire arm, a .308 bolt action rifle. It has only a few purposes, hunting and home protection. Don't condemn responsible gun owner's, condemn the ones who buy them for people who are not, which in this case i believe this is what happened. I feel so bad for these parent's who have lost their babies... I couldn't imagine.....

The assault weapon was in the car , the killings were carried out with 2 pistols , 1 was a glock & i cant remember the other 1 . They were both legal & owned by the mother. Incidentally , the killer is said to have aspergers & ocd & had other mental issues.

Did not the neighbors, coworkers, fellow students of this 20 year old young man not notice anything? Or did they, and then tell themselves that it was not their problem? How well do you really know your neighbor, coworker, or fellow student? Does our decision to be ignorant of the lives of those we rub shoulders with on a daily basis absolve of us responsiblity to our fellow human beings? How can it be that this self described "tight community" is now saying that they really didn't know the Lanza family? That they kept to themselves....etc. If we each reach out to one person today with a sincere "How do you do?" or pay it forward act of kindness to someone who we know but don't really know might go along way to stopping some of these acts of violence that are masks for feelings of extreme desperation. I pray for this community and all affected by this unspeakable tragedy and I pray for our society as a whole - so many, many people are lost and we need to help them find their way to a place of faith and peace.

You are so wrong in your thoughts. two occassions within the past 5 years have occurred and in both places not only are assualt guns illegal but guns except for hunting rifles are illegal. The Sweden massacrte and a school in Russia had a similar thing happen. The problem isn't the weapon or its avaiblbilty it is insane people. Get rid of the insane people and the problem willbe solved. The weapons used here were two Glock 9mm's not assualt weapons.

Spoken like a true NRA-ist! Let's put a glock in every bookbag and briefcase. It's not a question of too many guns it's a question of not enough guns. Man, LaPierre would love you. grooveshark.com/s/John+Lennon+So+This+Is+Christmas/4yzNLd?src=5