The constitution, a document from a time in which the US had more in common with Elizabethan England than the modern USA, is "interpreted" by a group of 9 non-elected government officials. The fact that it needs to be interpreted is our indication that it's too old and abstract to be governable in the modern era. But instead, we've got 9 individuals, who are ancient themselves, pretending that they know what this 224 year-old document actually means. In reality, they're just making s hit up as they go. If the court wasn't perverted by some notion of trying to interpret a piece of ancient history, they'd use accepted fairness standards and judge that your enjoyment from blowing s hit up is not enough to outweigh the public's interest in preventing their children from being shot to death.

And it is still the Greatest Document on The Governance of a Free People....It is the "limited Federal Government" it created that has over time has again and again overstepped the bounds set forth for The Power to be reserved for the States and The People....There is nothing wrong with The Constitution...but:

"Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other."--- John Adams

Therein lies the problem we face today...

Early 20th. Century Secular Progressives have reared their ugly heads again, The Central Government is your god and any government big and powerful enough to give you all your needs is big and powerful enough to take away all your freedoms.....

So, Mike in Delray, What you are saying is that it's Progressive's fault that we have more gun related violence than any other country in the world? Hmmm You right wing wack jobs truly amaze me with the conclusions you come to, and purport as reasonable.

Gregor1956...(#2.3)....No, what I am saying is the more Godless our society becomes the more Godless our society will behave....as was predicted during the time of The Founding ....When Individual Morals trump Societal Morals, anything goes.....you're seeing the results.

Take Chicago Drug/Gangs "Code of Honor" for example....You mess with one of ours....we kill you and anyone sitting on your front steps.....

Ya I will say that it is the progressives fault. Take away a peoples moral compass and what do you think will happen? Make it socially inappropriate to reprimand your children and what do you think will happen? Teach children all the way through school that everyone is a winner there need not be a loser and what will happen when that child hits 18 or 19 and the world knocks him on his can? We are so afraid of our child's self esteem being damaged that the majority of this generation has no idea how to pick themselves back up when the world gives them a beat down. Plus the ever important medication. Sad, depressed, angry we got a drug that will fix you up real good( small lawyer voice "May increase homicidal or suicidal thoughts" Yep got a history of mental illness we got a drug for that.

the more Godless our society becomes the more Godless our society will behave

You must be kidding. Religion--including Christianity--is responsible for more atrocities than any other source. From the Crusades to slowly roasting people alive to the recent story about Africans drilling holes in the heads of children to let the demons out, the history of Christianity is one long blood-bath.

Religion is worse than guns.

I'd be interested in seeing an instance of an avowed secular humanist grabbing a gun and starting a shooting spree.

Adam Lanza is described as smart but shy, academically driven.

Is anyone else reminded of the Aurora shooter?

Why did he have his brother's ID? Was he using it to buy alcohol and/or get served in bars? What medications was he taking and did he use any illicit drugs?

Why did his mother have guns? How did he get access to them?

There are a million questions, and it could take a long time to get answers.

I am a little confused..the brother was found at home..did he report his mother has been shot by the brother and how come the brother didn't shoot him

Pam, the brother (Ryan), came to his mother's house from his job in New York after he heard of the shootings. Is this another fatherless kid growing up?

Selfish little bastard of the ME generation.

There's is such a need to up the regulations and research on mental health.As a community we all have a responsibilty to make a difference.It's a disease that nobody wants to talk about until something horrible happens like this .It's a disease and has probably impacted everybodies lives at some point. We need to raise awareness in regards to the victims of the disease and the people who are effected by it everyday and make a difference.

The 2nd Amendment was created as a measure to counter tyranny. An unarmed population has little chance to rise up against a armed government. Every time a people allow themselves to be unarmed, government has little concern for their plight. But, a armed populace is a whole different issue. Citizens need to ability to over throw tyrants, if the need to do so occurs. There is a price for freedom, sometimes things aren't the way we wish, but it is foolish to abandon basic liberty for a little bit of safety.

The famous words of a poet:

ALL YOU NEED IS LOVE

NOBODY IS DISCUSSING THE FACT THAT DURING Christmas, many people feel left out by the expectations: A handsome boyfriend/girlfried by your side, with many friends, money to buy everything that is "hot", and other BS that is pushed to us??

Many people feel lonely, and if they do not have some support, especially if they suffer from mental illness, will only snap during this time.

That is why they should not have access to GUNS

To Irespond,

There will always be excuses. Mental health facilities have been downsized, and eliminated, because they cost too much, and omg, the poor patients might be offended by being made to stay there. Political correctness outweighs common sense. If a person is deemed mentally or criminally unfit to live in a normal society, they shouldn't be permitted to do so, but that is politically incorrect, it might offend someone.

This shooting is because of "political correctness"? I think I've seen it all now.

The problem with children in this country anymore is the parents. 50% of the parents in this country don't have the time to talk to thier children. They don't reprimand them because they can't for fear of being imprisoned. They give them video games, computers and television sets for thier bedrooms to keep them out of thier hair. They don't allow them to go outside to play, because that would entail them to know what they are doing and who they are doing it with. They don't teach them right and wrong, or common sense for that matter. Schools are the same way, no common sense, only zero rules. If a children goes to school to show a friend they got a little army man with a gun attached to it, they are thrown out of school because teachers and principals have no common sense. Where are the children supposed to learn anything besides reading writing and arithmetic. Children are not allowed to fail because parents and teachers have taken competition out of games and sports. Everybody is coddled and given trophies even though thier team was in last place. If a child is a little hyper thier parents put them on some kind of drug, instead of letting them go outside and play to burn off the energy... Everyone, even children have to be politically correct!!!!! Why didn't that mother have those guns in a safe. If she had guns, why didn't she teach her kids gun safety.

Everyone is a specialist when something like this happens. I want to know how many of you right now have children and instead of spending time with them right now, why your'e not spending time with those children instead of wasting your'e time talking on this newsvine. This countries education values and our childrens graduation rates have been dwindling since the federal govt has taken over the education system. Anytime the federal govt gets involved in something it is a failure. The gov't has set all kinds of rules that protect children from being disciplined in any way except time out...Do you think that's gonna stop a child from being unruly because they have to stand in a corner. Kids are taught nothing in these schools, the competition is gone, the discipline is gone, the right from wrong is gone. It has all been replaced by political corectness, cell phones, computers, standing in the corner, pills and the threat of taking a letter home to parents who have other things to do!!!!! Kids aren't allowed to get care when a problem exists because parents are afraid of being chastised by thier friends or relatives. Thier afraid someone is gonna think thier a bad parent, so instead of letting a child get the care they need, they let the behavior continue. Or they don't have insurance to get it covered. Illegals get free care, BUT WHAT ABOUT OUR CHILDREN!!!!!!!

The argument about gun control is crap because this problem has nothing to do with guns. Gangbangers can get guns in the matter of 15 minutes. I'm talking about little kids. If someone doesnt have a gun they can use a car, etc. They can get on the internet, becuase most of these kids that do this stuff have spent more than half thier lives on the internet instead of out in the real world!!!! In 10 minutes they can find a website on how to build a bomb!! Take away guns and that is what is gonna happen next, bombings!!!! This stuff that is going on is because our kids aren't taught right from wrong, thier not allowed to lose. The competition is gone!! Parents don't have time for them. so why would they want to live in a world where they feel they are alone!!!!!!!!

kaybeetoys

Note the wide eyed look too. Probably from younger years. Next question, how do we stop mental illness?

The more these "big stage" killings occur and are plastered all over the media (I'm not faulting the media) the more likely it will be that those who are on the verge of experiencing some sort of mental breakdown involving killing someone will copy them. I think that the people who commit these atrocities look for a grand exit and what better way than to do something unthinkable like this.
Before the instantaneous "news flash" era I don't think this type of crime would have entered the minds of these mentally ill people as many as it does now. The only way to curb this is for parents to start paying more attention to your kids and getting involved with their lives without living in the extremes, such as either too much control or not enough proper discipline. In other words, stop spoiling them and stop hovering over them with unreasonable demands.

I think it was kaybeetoys above who asked if her reminded anyone of Holmes, the Aurora Colorado shooter. Actually that is the first thing I thought when I saw him. He seems medicated. With the side effects of some medications, one would be better off locked up than taking them.

Well, the bible is much older, but people still follow it.

Stop falling for the media brainwashing. They want you to think of this murderer as a troubled kid. Then maybe you wont see the Clinched fist (International symbol of Communism)

These kids and teachers were killed by a Communist of Jewish heritage.

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Getmad,

You sound like you are mad (in the sense of insane); you with your hateful post are no better than the deranged boy who committed this atrocity. Go and hide your hateful prejudiced face in shame.

Amen sister! You know that won't happen though.

You're right about not making him into some kind of media personality, but I think we need to know what was wrong with him that drove him to do this. How else can we stop the next disturbed person with a gun from doing something similar?

This is the 7th mass killing in the U.S. in 2012. It really has to stop.

I agree Kaybeetoys.

He's just another worthless nobody in a long list of nobodies. Graining noteriaty through the massacre of innocents is such a cowardly way to go. Prayers to the families of all kids and teachers. You cant even send your kids to school anymore with the expectation of getting them back unharmed. What a sad day for America. Im also tired of the mental health issues excuse. Who cares? When you kill innocent victims you have given up any rights to live amongst society.

Obviously this guy was really disturbed. To kill his mother then go kill her kindergarten class, he had serious issues. It's about finding help for these people. Was he on meds, and quit taking them, yesterday he was okay, and today he flipped out. I hope they find out what was troubling him. In the mean time my prayers got out everybody that was touched by this truly sad, sad day.

Finding help. Ef that. These nuts should simply be executed. No more consideration should be given.

If he had found help, there wouldn't be a bunch of dead adults and children there today.

The weapons were bought by and registered to the Mother, Nancy Lanza. Was She coerced by the her son, Adam, to buy the guns so he could use them? Adam Lanza was mentally ill so Nancy, his Mother, bought and registered them in her name for him to use, not imagining the full consequences of supplying Lethal Firearms to a mentally deranged young man?? This tragedy Underlines the need for An American Universal Healthcare System with full Psychiatric Staffing, Facilities and Examine and Retain Authority, Like the Sane Countries have. Did Adam Lanza Ask for Help while going off the deep end? was he given clinical Attention and Therapy? Was this Deranged young man an Extreme Violence Video Game Fanatic who became, and In Fact Acted out, What those games Portray??? Time Will Tell as the Investigative facts are Revealed. Our Hearts go out to the Children, Their Families and relatives and the Lanza Family Who were Not involved in this tragedy. Could This Tragedy Have Been Avoided?? Don't Know BUT Time will Tell......

Is there any chance the media could ever make a pact to never show the person's face or even mention their name when a mass murder is committed??? Don't even give them 15 minutes of infamy. Could NBC be daring enough to lead the charge amongst the media - (Brian Williams, you seem like a very sensible and persuasive guy).

There are many wackos out there who see massive coverage for these perpetrators. They know that if they commit their planned act, the end result of their carnage will give them the publicity they want. If the media would stop publishing their faces and names, perhaps the knowledge that they will not get any publicity may give some of them one less piece of motivation to do this kind of act. I know there will be organizations that will publish this anyway for sales, but the big media companies will not suffer bottom line losses if they do not publish this information.

Quite frankly I would be happy never to see another mass murderer's face shown - and I do not need to know their identity - keep that to the people involved and the local courts.

Stop giving the perpetrators the publicity - it does not make the story any more appealing to me knowing this person is getting the attention they wanted.

Now that he's been identified and the forms can be properly filled out, let's end his fifteen minutes of fame by never mentioning his name again.

Unfortunately his name will be on the top of everybody's head, until some other lunatic comes around and kills more people than he did.

Some crazy psychos out there want to make "history" the wrong way, thanks to our sensational way of glorifying guns in Hollywood.

Who cares about safety, when these low-self esteem teenagers want to come out of their sad, uneventful lives, and become known even by the President??

Pathetic!

Yeah, there's no real discussion here. Parents that push for academic success? History of mental health issues are pretty vague too. There's lots of kids in these situations... they don't shoot up a bunch of babies.

He was evil. End of stoy.

mmm1379....And you wonder why the cycle of violence continues? Well, your post is violent. Violent words, violent actions, no double standards my friend. You cannot take a stand against this violence while promoting it in your post.

He's got serial killer eyes.

Mother issues. Shot her in the face, then went and killed the kids she loved to work with. Phantom, how do you know he coerced his mother into buying guns for him?

mmm1379

Finding help. Ef that. These nuts should simply be executed. No more consideration should be given.

He's dead... no need to discuss punishment.

What about the next one?

What if you had a son like him? Do you think his parents were monsters who created a killer?

There are disturbed people in every society. That isn't going to just stop if we execute every killer. A new killer is born every day. Have you ever heard the expression 'closing the barn door after the horse has gotten out'?

The solution isn't killing all the disturbed, violent people. It's stopping them from killing in the first place. Keep guns out of their hands.

"How else can we stop the next disturbed person with a gun from doing something similar?" You can't.

I don't know why people continue to insist that this kind of thing is all about 15 minutes of fame. Seriously, just STFU.

I hope they do an autopsy on the shooter, especially on his brain. What kind of mental issues did he have? What kind of medication, if any, was he on?

..and further, does anyone know if he was sleep-deprived, how did he eat, was he a drug user? We throw around the label "mentally-ill," but it's more complex than that. We live in a toxic environment and so many young people today literally can't think well because the chemistry of their bodies is so screwed up. They don't have a clue how to solve problems or how to resolve conflicts peacefully because they don't learn those things in the home or in school. Parents are afraid of upsetting their children or acting like the adult in the family. They have no idea what tough love is and how to earn the respect of their children.

Unfortunately, the problem of violence in our country is systemic. It's like global climate change... we don't do anything until it's too late.

Do you think your hands are clean of the culture of violence in our country? We all bear the burden of this incident. Only when we stop promoting it through the many means we have in this country can you be free of this crime. I share responsibility because of my involvement in the Iraq war. I take responsibility but everyday work to not promote violence by words, actions, etc. Imagine if we all did this.

jd

I share responsibility because of my involvement in the Iraq war.

Man, I've never heard anyone say that. I take my hat off to you.

This is a society where people actually see nothing wrong in voluntarily signing up to kill other human beings because our economy is weak and they can't find a job. Yes, here's a job—I can go murder women and children for the army, and then I'll be a hero, get to strut around in cool clothes, and get benefits, too. Everyone will respect me, and all I have to do is rape and murder a few 14 year-old girls. What's not to like about that?

Patter, you are actually using this horrific tragedy as an excuse to call every member of our military a rapist and murderer? Really? You're human garbage...

Patter, you actually had a point in there somewhere about state sanctioned violence and the conundrum about why we lionize certain types of killing while castigating others. Then you had to make your argument ridiculous by throwing in the rape and murder part. While there are US soldiers who do this, and American ultra-patriotic nincompoops who will defend it (Lt Calley has defenders to this day), in general American soldiers are trained and expected to do their jobs professionally and to go after enemy targets, not civilians and certainly not children.

A person like Private Steven Green and his goon squad -- in the Mahmudiyah Massacre, to which I think you were referring-- is not generally respected in the army or elsewhere. He has been sentenced to life in jail, only narrowly avoiding the death penalty.

I was against Bush's wars. Certain of our soldiers, their commanders and the policy makers who formulated their rules of engagement (especially, but not only, the Bushies) do deserve criticism. Unfortunately your good point was lost because you overshot.

That was incredibly rude, Patter123.

Not everyone who fought in the Iraq "war" were child raping, bloodthirsty murderers. Do you think Mr. JD read a paper saying, "if you join our coalition, you will be able to rape and plunder your way through the middle east without consequences!" and said, " Yeah that's for me!"?

Obviously the Iraq "war" was unsanctioned, and downright illegal according to international law, but to place such an extreme stereotype on the group of people who were basically used to destabilize Saddam's control over oil, is malicious at best. It doesn't matter what side of the spectrum you sit on, making hasty generalizations and thinly veiled attacks on a mass of people is easy, but low.

Astro and Patter, I was with the Marines and we did only what we needed to do to protect ourselves. I was too young and trusted our government. I witnessed no dishonorable actions by my Marines who are taught to kill an enemy with absolute ferocity. We were good warriors used in an illegal war by the war criminals of that time. Simply saying the gun is the problem in this country is only treating the symptom and not the disease.

"Villager slashes 22 kids with knife at elementary school gates in China"

Gun control or not, it doesn't matter.

Nice theory, none of those 22 kids died from the attack.

@farideh kashanian: Sure, because mass murderers commonly choose a knife over a gun. Seriously, that's what you are going to use to argue your case against gun control? Because that's what you imply.

Just shut up with the political rhetoric, now is not the time. Now is the time to stand together to support families that have experienced unspeakable loss. The loss of a precious child.

Farideh, did you rush here to express sympathy for the dozens of families who will have to deal with the after-effects of this tragedy for the rest of their lives, or did your rush here to defend the rights of these very damaged, broken people to have as much access to as many high-powered firearms as possible? Seriously - could you let the blood dry first maybe?

How about cyanide or do you conveniently forget JonesTown, A.K.A, the Peoples Temple, Jim Jones, where over 900 people were poisoned to death, or the Oklahoma city bombing where 168 people were killed and over 680 Injured with a bomb, or how about 9/11 where almost 3,000 people were killed by using box cutters to highjack airliners and crash them into their targets?

It doesn't take a gun to be a mass murderer it requires the will to do it. Perhaps you would care to explain why the weapon of choice for terrorists is IED's and not guns?

Perhaps you would care to explain why the weapon of choice for terrorists is IED's and not guns ?

Sure, David. Because they fight a vastly superior enemy, and guns just don't cut the mustard.

All you need is fertilizer and cool aid.

Bringing up JonesTown doesn't help your case. A vast majority of the people there were forced to drink the poison at gun-point. As for your 9/11 argument: how much easier would it be to high jack a plane if we didn't have laws against bringing them on board?

You are correct in the argument that guns are simply a means to an end. But you are wrong to think that because there is a human ultimately responsible for pulling the trigger that the firearms themselves are not at all to blame.

The IED/terrorist thing is totally different. Those sad sacks are blowing themselves up for what they think is a purpose. True or false, there's a reason for it.

This is just f*king evil itself... chaos. I don't get it.

@Macdeezy-2292705 Ask NYC how their anti gun laws are working out.

My point about gun control is if you could keep the guns out of the hands of crazies then brilliant I'm on board. The problem is the hole concept is flawed. It would be like prohibition or the war on drugs. The law abidding citizens would follow the law, but then again they are not the ones going around killing people. All a gun ban would do is harm the people who follow the law. Another result would be that it would further fund the gangs and drug cartels who would have another cash cow to sell. I don't know what the answer is, but gun control is a emotional, unthought through gut reaction. On paper it sounds great, but in practice it would further fund the law breakers of the world. I think something must be done about people who have violent tendancies attached to their mental illness. Like I said I don't know the right answer, but we do need to do something. I think armed police officers (though expensive) in our schools wouldn't be a bad idea. The officer could be there mainly as security, but also function as a counselor or rolemodel for the students. Something

Macdeezy-2292705

"Villager slashes 22 kids with knife at elementary school gates in China"

Gun control or not, it doesn't matter.

Nice theory, none of those 22 kids died from the attack.

The children were lucky in this case. They have many of those knife attacks in China and often people die from such attacks. For instance in 2010 a man stabbed 8 children to death. If someone wants to kill they will find a way, guns or not, and anti-guns laws or not.

The villager who killed 22 with a knife in China would probably have killed 3 times as many if he had a gun. As an argument against gun control, it fails to make the case.

Banning guns won't make them impossible to get. But it'll be a lot harder. Alcohol is legal, cocaine is not. Most Americans are law abiding. This is why most DUI cases are due to alcohol, not cocaine. Cocaine is expensive and hard to get precisely because it is illegal. Anything can be obtained on the black market but it will cost you. Drastically restricting private gun ownership will significantly reduce their availability even to criminals, and it will probably put it out of reach for the average criminal and the mentally ill. If this villager had access to a gun, he would have used it because it's a much more effective at killing.

Me-683854,

What world are you living in? Certainly not the one that the rest of us live in. There is such a thing as evil and there are evil people in this world. If you don't believe me then explain to me why we bother putting people in prison. Tell me, wise man how you would have gone about preventing someone like Timothy McVey from making the bomb that killed 168 people in Oklahoma City, or how about the terrorists who brought down the Twin Towers - 911? The bomb that McVey used was made from fuel oil and nitrogen; you want to ban the use of diesel fuel and nitrogen? I don't know what you would do to prevent another 911 . How about we ban all air travel? I have a novel idea - let's bring back the death penalty and actually use it. In the case of foreign terrorism let it be known that if you kill one of ours then we will kill ten of yours ... and then start doing it! One other thing ... one appeal only and it must be concluded in the first year after your conviction. There would not be any prisoners sitting on death row for over 12 months. People like you think they have it all figured out. Someone commits an atrocious crime like the awful murders in Newtown, then by all means let us come up with some knee-jerk solution that only serves to punish those of us who obey the law or even worse - lumps us all in with the fruitcake who actually committed the crime. Please answer this if you have the courage and conviction.

Brilliant.

I agree, Russ. Just so you know, background checks and mental illness screenings ARE a form of gun control and one that we desperately need. Gun control doesn't just mean taking away every citizen's gun. It's more about making sure gun owners are responsible and mentally stable, as well as limiting types of guns. (Assault rifles aren't for hunting or home protection.)

Prayers to all the victims. Stop the madness.

You better believe that banning assault rifles and automatic weapons would reduce the number of people that are being killed during these horrific events. You will not find this kind of mass killing that we experience in the US on almost a monthly basis in most of the rest of the world. Why because these counties do not allow these types of weapons on their streets. You can thank the National (Nazi) Rifle Association, Fox News and a Supreme Court whose decisions harken back to Plessey v. Fergenson for the endless rounds of mass murders in the US. Sure Nuts are directly responsible for these crimes, but a Nut can only kill 20 small children in one minute if he has an automatic weapon. I recommend that you boycott (no vacations there, don't send your kids to colleges there, no conventions there, no internet orders for companies based there, etc.) the states that refuse to ban assault and automatic weapons, to impose a waiting period and a full background check to get a weapon and to ban gun shows.

Gun control fixes nothing. Humans have found ways to kill humans from the days of cain and able to present. If not a gun, a knife; if not a knife, a car; if not a car, a stick; if not a stick, a rock; if not a rock, your hands!!!! I know, lets cut off everyone's hands that will stop it surely!!!!!! Maybe our amoral greed driven society is just wrong!!! Maybe the responsibility for raising decent human beings starts at home. Maybe paying attention to your kids instead of giving them every material thing but not teaching them decent human values could fix something. OOOppps, I bet I just got way outta line!!!

It's a nice thought that you can just screen for mental health issues. The trouble is that it's not like a blood test where you can just look for the presence of some protein or count cells and say, "Yep. There it is." People seeking help often go months or years without a proper diagnosis, and they are actively trying to figure out what is wrong. It can be insidious, and it can also be triggered by a traumatic event. If someone has been screened before a diagnosis was sought or before the trigger occurred, they would not be prevented from owning a gun but they would still be dangerous with one in their hands.

If gun control will help solve the problem, perhaps we should also ban the violent video games that put these sick ideas in kids' heads to begin with.

What do you think of when you think of assault and automatic weapons? People talk about this like they are machine guns. He had 2 pistols and a rifle. No machine guns.

First of all, unless you understand the differences between automatic, semi-automatic, etc. guns you cannot have an intelligent discussion about this issue. To make a blanket statement that semi-automatic weapons should be banned shows ignorance of the weapons involved, especially with regards to handguns. As a woman, a semi-automatic is best suited to my needs when it comes to protection. It is easier for my smaller hand to handle this sort of weapon. Also, if I am defending myself, I need to be able to easily fire off more than one round and this sort of weapon allows this. Standard clips generally hold 7-12 bullets - you have to squeeze the trigger for each shot. It is extremely difficult to legally obtain an automatic weapon of ANY kind in the US. Creating stricter gun control laws only serves to handicap the law abiding citizen...it does nothing to eliminate guns used by the criminal element. Also, today's tragedy was premeditated...not a crime in the heat of the moment. To have the time to plan out such a crime, the perpetrator could choose means other than guns to kill large numbers of people - does anyone remember Oklahoma City and the homemade bomb? Those instruction came off the internet. If someone is determined to massacre a group of people - they will find a way to do it. THe better question is why these sorts of crimes are happening now. It is more difficult than ever to legally obtain guns. Guns have always been a part of our lives. Once upon a time automatic weapons were available, and yet we didn't have this sort of crime. Perhaps it has something to do with desensitizing our youth. Perhaps it has to do with the devaluing of life. Perhaps it has to do with the celebrity 24/7 media outlets make of these vile creatures. Guns are purely inanimate pieces of metal and plastic. They do not operate on their own. They will never be eliminated from our lives - that is an impossibility. Criminals will ALWAYS find a way to obtain them - if honest citizens are prohibited from owning, how can we defend ourselves against those who wish us harm?

He had two hand guns to do the killing..the rifle was found in the back seat of his car.

Extended capacity clips are pure, unnecessary foolishness.

Yepper, Lorielle Sisson, all those kindergarteners should have been packing.

"You can thank the National (Nazi) Rifle Association"

Jeffery, if you actually take a look back at history (Which Liberals don't like doing), you'll find that the Nazi's banned all guns from civilian usage. They didn't want an uprising by any kind of opponent.

Russ and Union: YES, You are BOTH Correct. Background Checks and mental illness screening are an Essential Tool of gun control. Nancy Lanza passed those screening tests without skipping a beat. Could This Tragedy have been avoided?? No One Knows For Sure BUT Investigative Time will tell of how Nancy Lanza acquired those lethal weapons and just HOW Adam Lanza wound up with them in HIS Possession.

I've seen it on other postings but if you want to own an handgun, assault rifle whatever - you shouldn't be allowed to if you or someone in your house or who has access to your house has mental health issues.

I don't know how to quantify that exactly but if the mother didn't have the guns chances are the insane son wouldn't have been able to kill so many people.

But Phantom, the proclaimed "form of gun control" that you seem to laud (background checks nad mental illness) have repeatedly failed in even just the last two years!

Unless you are a documented perp or nut-case, the "checks" are worthless since there's nothing listed!

Gun control fixes nothing. Humans have found ways to kill humans from the days of cain and able to present. If not a gun, a knife; if not a knife, a car; if not a car, a stick; if not a stick, a rock; if not a rock, your hands!!!!

But guns are the only one of those things that:

(a) was purposefully designed for killing and..

(b) can kill or wound many, many people within a few seconds.

A knife has many uses and couldn't wound or kill 70 people (Aurora theater shooting) within a minute or two no matter how skilled the person wielding the weapon.

Gun control fixes nothing. Humans have found ways to kill humans from the days of cain and able to present. If not a gun, a knife; if not a knife, a car; if not a car, a stick; if not a stick, a rock; if not a rock, your hands!!!!

As Rtypo said,

A guns sole purpose is to kill, as it's a weapon. You can't easily walk into a store and purchase a firearm like you do a toaster or a knife because we all realize that guns are far more dangerous, and should not be easily accessible. Heck why are we controlling/tracking the sale of sudafed when people will find a way to get high, and cook meth anyways?

Personally, think better/more control to firearms is the solution. Or, hey we can just do nothing..... if that works for some of you.

Instead of bickering back and forth can we all discuss about some potential solutions?

Here are some of what I gathered among some of the comments, and IMO a good start:

Kids need to be taught how to better deal with anger, like sex ed there should be anger management classes, or awareness.

Laws should be enacted to fine or imprison those that allow children access to their firearm. There has to be some accountability.

Firearms are way to accessible at gun shows(so I've heard and correct me if I'm wrong). No screening is required? This has to change.

Those seeking to obtain firearms should be required to list at least 3 references, preferably family members in order to obtain one. This way at least if a known psycho tries to obtain a gun, say shortly after they've lost their job, or whatever signs they're showing, a family member is notified. Of course this leaves an opening to wrongfully denying a rightful purchaser, but at least it creates a buffer.

Schools, should have more police presence. Currently, only one police officer patrols a middle, or high school. At that probably doesn't even extend to all schools. Each school should have at least 3, with satellite police stations, and stop ins like they do in some troubled areas, and malls.

Lastly we should ban guns! I'm messing. Time to sleep.

ipkaaa, you must live in the town of perfect. One police officer for a middle or high school, look for a replay of channel 5 news from chicago...Simion high school is like going to school in a prison. They have enough armed security inside and out to police a small town.

Far from it. I live in Los Angeles, Gang central. I'm not familiar with Simion high school , but from a quick google search it seems it's the no.1 high school in the nation(in basketball?), and nothing about a recent massacre shooting. Drive by shooting ya, but that can happen anywhere. So what's your point?

Most schools in LA have security guards(unarmed) with one school police to patrol the area.

Ipkaa, I am going to assume here that you do not have a permit. I can assure you that "3 references" are already in place - at least in the area that I am in. And by the way, zero expectation of privacy during the permit process. My neighbors were all visited by a police officer to advise them I was applying for my permit, my husband was called to ask if there were domestic issues, my boss was called to determine if I had problems at the work place. Permits are not handed out like library cards.

I also agree that in many areas, guns are accessible at gun shows via private sale. I live in CT, where all sales must include a full background check.

I do however agree that we should have more of a police presence in the schools.

Agreed!!!! Stop exploiting these children! They have been through enough to last a lifetime and then some! Leave these children alone!

Who are the parents/adults allowing the children to be intereviewed?!?!

Can we film the operation?
Is the head dead yet?
You know, the boys in the newsroom got a
Running bet
Get the widow on the set!
We need dirty laundry

ITA, it's repulsive, vulgar, disrespectful, and disgusting!!! Sick voyeurism!

Okay, so TexMichael... let's say a law is passed and your neighbor is a good person, and had a gun but lost it because of a gun control law. Someone who is he double hockey sticks bent on killing someone gets a gun off the black market and goes on a shooting rampage in your neighborhood like what happened in Copley Ohio. You've just disarmed a man who may have been able to fire that weapon at the bad guy and take him out.

No matter what we do. The monsters will always find guns, or weapons of their choice.

Whenever I hear a comment like this, I wonder: If he had run them down with a truck while they waited at a bus stop, would we be talking about truck bans?

First off NyNy, you jump to some REALLY heady conclusions. I would surmise that your token "neighbor" would lose his gun to theft or misappropriation than to government control. Second, have you ever attempted to get a gun through the black market? How many of these previous mass murderers have? Can you give me a number please?

Guns don't kill people, the NRA does.

First off, regulating guns is not the same thing as banning guns. Second, your example is not even close to being analogous. A truck is not inherently a weapon, a gun is. He couldnt have drove a truck through the hallways of a school undetected, killing as many children as possible. Third, even if there was a comparison, you fail to recognize that there ARE regulations on vehicle owners. To get a license, you have to be a certain age, have to pass a test, have to pay a fee. Once you start driving you are subject to the laws of the roads, including getting your plates ran or stopped by law enforcement at their legal discretion. If you violate traffic laws, you can have your license suspended or terminated. No, these regulations would not stop every person who is determined to run down children at a bus stop. However, it would do its part in minimizing from the pool of people who would do such a thing by allowing them to be policed by law enforcement; making it more difficult for people with history of law violations to access what they need to do so or at least, hinder them. Under your implied theory, no action should be taken just because of the weapon of choice. Which, makes no sense also because driving is a privilege, not a right- which is what actually makes the gun control issue problematic. We as a country, through our elected officials, have the ability to minimize or take that "right" away from ourselves to suit the needs of our times and to uphold some of the other principles that are lost from the conversation when people harp on about constitutional rights.

Guns are regulated.

Once you start taking away rights, for the "greater good", you are a fool.

Perhaps this should also spawn a discussion on violent video games that give kids twisted ideas about the glory of killing people. I'm not saying this kid was a result of video games -- we don't have info for or against that right now -- but I think the media plays just as big, if not a bigger, role than gun control laws.

First off, regulating guns is not the same thing as banning guns.

If the shooter was 20, he wasn't legally able to own handguns.

If he had a history of mental illness, he wasn't legally able to touch any guns.

Regulation can only do so much.

Responsible firearm ownership (i.e. if crazy people have access to your house, lock up your guns) is what saves lives.

@stekun I am 33, I play "violent video games". I own a gun. I have never had a violent thought about killing actual people. Any sane person knows the difference between reality and fiction. If you are not sane, it does not take a video game to make you act out, anything can trigger it.

@stekun, after reading another one of your posts, I have come to the realization that it was sarcasm. Sorry, it gets lost in text sometimes.

Gun control is a ill fitting band-aid. A false sense of propose. The root cause is the behavior. What do we do about this insane epidemic. Guns will be gotten, easily or a bit less easy. WTF is with this urge to commit mass murder. That's what we have to tackle.

See that is my opinion of gun control. It is a nice political talking point, but not much more than that. It is almost completely worthless. It's like President Obama's desire to raise taxes on the 2%. It sounds good; lets have Paris Hilton pay a little more of the load. The problem with this is the rich are already suppose to pay a sizeable sum, but they don't. They hoard it away in life insurance policies that they can then borrow against tax free, or they put it in off shore accounts. You can raise the tax rate to 80% and you won't get an extra penny. These people have the smartest accountants money can buy building them loop holes. Laws like this seldom do what they are intended to do. Who doesn't know where to buy Weed at? That's illegal, but it's as common as Pepsi.

We can deal with one issue at a time. When people start going Beserk and running over children with cars, we can put up road block barriers in schools(as plenty of places already do have them, installed after an incident).

It's not like I can easily walk into a wall mart and purchase a gun as I can with a set of knives. Obviously to some degree society knows we shouldn't be selling them nilly willy to people.

These incidents are not a black and white issue of course, and it's going to take many solutions, changes in law, in order to be successful.

If there are ways to deal with the behavior of children, such as anger managent education, then lets deal with that on a separate case.

The virginia tech shooter was able to purchase firearms despite having history of psychological problems-should this not be prevented? (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/josh-horwitz/auroras-hard-truth-mental_b_1727695.html) Reading that, it seems that there's loop holes, such as private sales of guns...

Well how about having a law where the seller has to refer the buyer to a psych evaluation(or at least check of history) or otherwise, be financially liable whenever a crime is committed by the buyer.

How about we fine/imprison parents or so called "responsible gun owners" for allowing a child access to their firearm. Accountability solves part of the issue.

If the virginia tech shooter's next of kin was notified of the firearm purchase then perhaps that would have raised a red flag. Gun owners should be required to submit several character references before a purchase is cleared.

I'm not naive enough to think we can completely stop these incidents from occurring but those that are against gun control seem to be stuck in the stance of 'lets just keep things the way they are' but imo, doing something is better than doing nothing.

Laws like this seldom do what they are intended to do. Who doesn't know where to buy Weed at? That's illegal, but it's as common as Peps

So since weed is legal for medical purposes in CAli, we should not regulate dispensaries at all, allow them to operate across the street from schools, because it's already readily available on the street illegally anyways?

Wow, assume much?

What BS. Always some right wing conservatwit that has to politicize a tragedy.

wierd you say no cause since Sandy and in that location so close to stricken areas. OWS is very active in relief after that devastation...plenty of "cause"

That gun did not ...

wake up this morning, clean its little bbl and brush its firing pin, get coffee, and walk out the door to the incident site and start shooting. No, a person made a decision, no matter what mental capacity at the time, and picked up in animate gun, loaded gun, aimed, fired, and shot people. GUNS do not Kill people. just the same as drunks that continue to drive wile intoxicated. People use guns as a tool, Criminals use them as a tool. So, for all you screaming tree-hugging pacificsitc liberal, Costas and Whitlock loving, believe MSNBC and CNN as the word of God types: do me a favor, research the actual FBI stats on which is more deadly in the past 3 years: guns or DUIs. and do not even start down the 'assault weapons' speel until you can 100% correctly define, according to the BATFE and the NFA, what a real "assault weapon" is defined as. For my solid 2A supporters out there. brace yourselves, lib lip poop is about to hit the fan.

Perhaps we should ban alcohol to get drunk drivers off the road. Maybe we should ban video games for putting ideas into people's heads. Maybe we should ban smoking in public to reduce cancer from second-hand smoking. Maybe we should ban staple guns because there was a teacher in my school years ago who snapped and stapled a kids' head. We should ban candy so that sickos don't have it to lure children into their vans and kidnap them. I am fine with some regulations on these things, and okay with background checks, etc. for gaining access to guns. But regulation never will completely solve the problem, nor am I convinced that it will reduce it all that much. I understand the desire to knee-jerk ban what appears to be causing the problem, but I promise you access to guns is not what killed these kids. You cannot ban stupidity or evil. This was an act of pure, unadulterated evil. Call it what it is. Focusing on gun control is misdirecting the underlying issue. There are evil people in this world, and that must be understood so that we can deal with the underlying problems which are much, much more complex than gun control. We need to remember that there is a reason for good, family values and a culture where people are treated to love and respect others. Will that solve all the problems either? No. But I think this is more likely the result of general moral degradation in society than it is a result of insufficient laws and regulation. More often than not, these sicko killers are found to be steeped in pornography, sick sexual fantasies, and twisted visions of people. Immorality causes people to forget to respect others. A lack of respect damages our moral conscious in a way that makes lunatics on the fringe start to think that killing others is not so bad. Sure, we can talk about gun control. And it's a legitimate discussion. But the bigger issues here run much, much deeper than gun control and regulation. We need to work on kicking these problems at the source, way before symptoms like this are manifest.

AK Sabin, where do you draw the line? In April 1995, a massive IED did not wake up one morning, drive itself to Oklahoma and decide to take the front off the Alfred P Murrah Federal Building; Timothy McVeigh did. But by your logic, explosives don't kill people. Explosives are a tool. So, (again, by your logic) we should all be permitted to walk around carrying explosives in our pocket, right?

Why are the gun huggers so afraid? Because you are. "Guns are for personal protection". In other words, you are afraid of being attacked. I don't have a gun, but I also don't walk down the street afraid of being attacked. I don't lay awake in my bed at night afraid that a burglar will break into my house. That's not to say I take stupid chances like leaving my door unlocked and telling all and sundry what is in my house.

"When seconds count...". OK, sure. Before you trot out that tired old line, you'd better tell me that you are fully trained in first aid AND carry around all the appropriate equipment (defibrillator etc). Because when seconds count, the paramedics are only minutes away. Frankly, I believe people are much more likely to need first aid skills at some point in their lives, than they are to need to defend themselves with firepower.

And please, enough with the car analogies!!! If you want to draw a real analogy between guns and cars, you need to break it up. If you want to compare gun deaths to car deaths, then you need to compare the number of accidental gun deaths to the number of car deaths. Because most car deaths are accidental. On the other hand, if you want to compare car deaths to gun deaths, you need to compare the number of premeditated vehicular homicide deaths to the number of gun murders. Because most (not all) gun deaths are deliberate acts of murder.

And one more thing: "If guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns". True. Sort of. You see, every single gun used in a homicide was legal when it left the factory. Every single gun that a criminal has began it's history as a legal gun. So, where are the criminals getting the guns? From the legal gun owners. When you think about that for a minute, that means that legal gun owners are responsible for not taking the proper precautions to prevent their guns falling into criminal hands! It will take some time, but if guns were to be outlawed, then the supply of legal guns dries up. And with it, so must the supply of illegal guns.

Stekun, access to guns is what caused the death toll to be so high. Granted, if he didn't have access to a gun he would have found something else to cause mayhem with. But magazine fed semi-autos are an extremely efficient way to kill a lot people in a short amount of time. If this whack-job was armed with a Bowie knife instead of a Sig Sauer and a Glock, there would probably still have been deaths today. But I guarantee you, the death toll would have not have been so high.

AK Sabin

No, but it was in the hands of someone that had no business with it and who would have been kept from having said firearm had the proper regulations been in place and enforced.

Silver, agreed with some of what you said but you can't seriously expect the supply of guns to "dry up". In this gun-hungry culture (at least segments of it), guns will find a way across the borders into the country, just as heroin, cocaine, etc. do now.

Silver Graphite give me a break. Dry up? Kind of like the drug problem dried up when we outlawed them? Ya it's been years since I have heard of anyone being caught with an illegal drug. Your right this banning stuff really works. I'm in.

If guns are made illegal it will be even easier to obtain one. No background checks and no licenses needed. Alcohol was completely illegal in Mississippi when I was a teenager. I could buy it easily when I was under-aged (15 yrs or about) as everyone knew a bootlegger. He did not care how old I was but only that I had a $1 for a quart of Bud.

When guns are illegal everyone that wants one can buy a real assault weapon (which is a machine gun) or anything thing else without ANY background check. I hear in NYC, where gun ownership is really difficult and expensive) a person can illegally rent a gun for a crime.

Prayer: Because god already knows what you want. He just wants to hear you beg for it.

Well said Carlos, Amen

Well said Gallan. Prayer is just about the most stupid thing out there... other than guns.

I do not believe that the "world has turned away from God." Nearly everyone I know is a good Christian or has at least been raised in that environment. Man has always had murderous individuals and always will.

"Time-outs, therapy, self-help groups, 12-point plans, jail-time, or executions will never transform the heart. Only Christ." True enough, but these concepts arise from the mind that God gave us all to use in an attempt o process the reality of the world and strive to be as him. We can change our thought processes to improve behavior and God will help us do so. We just need to stop the glorification and reliance upon violence means to solve our problems, whether they are personal or the problems of a nation. God will help us in our endeavors, but he won't do it unless we act first.

You are so correct. We all need to ask the Lord Jesus in our heart. The Bible says in Romans 10:9 Confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe that God has raised Jesus from the dead and you will be saved.

You can do it now or you wll do it later. For the Word says:

Every knee shall bow and every tongue shall confess that Jesus in Lord. (Either on this side or the other when it is too late.

My prayer for the families, survivors that God brings peace and swift healing.

I can see "gun control" already being presented:

Chinese man attacks 22 children, 1 adult with knife outside primary school

Case is the latest in a spate of school attacks in China in recent years

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'Bow and arrow-type' attack leaves 3 dead in Casper, Wyo., including 2 in college classroom, officials say

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The real truth is the evil will be evil by any means... Guns do not make it easier to do evil.. What I found is (sadly) evil is very creative... I appreciate the President showing sympathy for the families and children at this tragic time... But I can see prayer not allowed in school, God is distanced, morality has been reduced to relativism.. and the freedom to exercise religion has become a national litigation magnet.. Evil has become the norm... Children are brought up on Hollywood morals, life is cheap, disposable "menu" of options..

According to free thinkers, Atheist and the like, There is no Life after death, No God therefore morality is just a matter of obeying the law... you can toke as much as you want, Church is a ripoff, and if you can't make it.. well the Government has a rule, a program or a hand out to be your safety net. a Baby is not a baby.. but a fetus and a lump of tissue. Too many babies.. a burden on mother earth, an increase of a "carbon footprint".., a child is an ornament, and a tree, fish, bird is infinitely more important than people.

If Sandy was an indication of Global Warming, If the spate of "shootings" is because of a "lack" of gun control.. than society ills from 12 y/o's committing suicide to "Spice" being a drug of choice for the young in the military... stem from us not being (as the President said) "A Christian Nation" but a nation of citizens. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QIVd7YT0oWA Progress?

My God... My God... What have we done... What have we become!!

Not to nitpick at a time like this, BUT, please, stop with the BS that only good christians have strong faith and are G*D centered. Let's stop the elitism that christianity is the only religion that loves G*D correctly. With this rampantly spreading snarky attitude, who can blame people for becoming atheist.

Guns do not make it easier to do evil..

No, see, that's the thing. Guns did make evil easier for this man, much easier. He pointed and squeezed. There was no slashing or technique. Easy!

If there actually were a god i would say tragedies like this would be evidence that he turned his back on us, not vice versa.

Hunter Hutchins Google and some fertilizer would have worked just as well.

Santhosa... it is alright to nit pick... But even atheist realize that man has and do make choices. God being all powerful has never intruded on man's choices but has always let him benefit OR suffer because of them... To put it another way... God is all powerful but is powerless IN men lives if they reject Him. Also it is not that Christianity has the "corner of the market" in morality BUT.. non religion hope to bring about a change w/o something higher than yourself.. While Christians depend on God.. God expect us to "ACT" on the "Christian truth" as we know it.

Example: Martin Luther King pursued civil rights not just because it was the right thing to do but because his belief in a God.. Higher than himself. That belief changed a whole Nation... non-belief changes... nothing. To put it another way... A "Free thinker" may do fine for himself... may even contribute to society that could "benefit" many people but it does not encourage your neighbor.. just you.. Jesus said the two greatest commandment in which the "Golden Rule" was based:

Mat 22:37-40 KJV Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. (38) This is the first and great commandment. (39) And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. (40) On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

God did not say love him only but but first AND also the neighbor.. That is a teaching of Christianity but you can find this "basic teaching" in many religions but this is only an Idea in the "Free Thinker's" mind....

There are two ways to teach morality: 1. By example.. 2. By ethos... (how we think) root word Ethics

Now #1 is what most people rely on.. Do good and copy "good" Common sense "You know it is wrong to steal something that is not yours"... never mind the laws against the same (murder, adultery etc.)

But that is dependent on others following the same rules. I depend on you following the rules whether or not you (I) agree with them but the rule is arbitrary to those that follow it. (IE. You can steal in certain circumstances... its OK to tell a small lie) then you become a law unto yourselves.. it depends on personal decision. Now If God along with the teachings of Jesus that DO NOT CHANGE is guiding your decisions, your choices and encouraging you when times are bad in your personal life propelling you to great goodness. If you "reinforce" the first with the second you get to the HEART of the matter and you see a clue to the "Why" in a senseless, despicable crime of evil perpetrated by this young man.

Mat 15:16-20 KJV And Jesus said, Are ye also yet without understanding? (17) Do not ye yet understand, that whatsoever entereth in at the mouth goeth into the belly, and is cast out into the draught? (18) But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man. (19) For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies: (20) These are the things which defile a man: but to eat with unwashen hands defileth not a man.

One can find "evil" in and outside religion but that is a function of choice not the "religion" itself... one can honestly say a "religion" can become a religion or non-religion can be come a religion... Christianity should not be a "hammer" to be crammed down someone throat but it also should not be so completely devoid in people to allow say "Life, death is relative" and life has little meaning. Now you tell me ANY of you does this thinking "fit": "Life is just that Life.. deal with it!... no No Santa Clause... No God... No life after death. Just work hard..make good grades.. be as kind to people as possible.. be a good parent as possible then at the end of life.. you die and that's it"

or this:

Mat 5:20-24 KJV For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven. (21) Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment: (22) But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire. (23) Therefore if thou bring thy gift to the altar, and there rememberest that thy brother hath ought against thee; (24) Leave there thy gift before the altar, and go thy way; first be reconciled to thy brother, and then come and offer thy gift.

Or even:Heb 9:27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:

It is how you CHOOSE to follow determines the "evil" or not.. so don't "wash your hands" of Christianity... The Gun control people will have signs in front of the NRA.. trying to affect gun ownership but not personal responsibility... Christian will be helping families, praying for them and preaching personal responsibility... which one do you think is more "effective"

Quit quoting from a book of fairy tails. Where was your god yesterday? Why didn't he protect 20 innocent children? Don't give me the "this is a apart of god's plan" nonsense. If this was part of his plan how would are you okay with that? Why is it okay for your all powerful god to let this happen? If he is real he has the power to stop this but he doesn't why would anyone choose to follow him? This has nothing to do with our country turing its back on God. How many people get murdered through out the world in god's name?

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Hey Trent.... No one stopped you from making your comment... no one will stop you from doing anything you want... I don't like telling this story... but for you I will .. Ill keep it brief:

There was a terrible car accident.. a man was driving drunk and smashed his car and it caught fire... I was one of the first on the scene. He was trapped, semi conscious in great pain... The flames were at the front of the car.. so I figured.. I have time to pull him out.

I felt the heat of the flames and tried to pull him out... Other onlookers where there and began to help me too.. The flames just kept burning more and more.. But I kept trying.. Pulling and tugging yet his clothing just tore in my hands.. his body slick with blood. He stopped moving but I could see his chest rise and fall.. by this time the Fire dept came and took over the rescue attempt. I stayed and watched.

They tried to spray water, foam in an effort to put out the fire but is would not go out... I found out later why... He crashed on a gas line.. the gas was feeding the fire. After much effort on the Firemen part a passing tow truck backed up to the car... the front now engulfed in flame and pulled the car free. The firemen was then able to safely extract him. He died latter the next day... broken hip, 3rd degree burns..etc.

He was an Army soldier on leave.. I latter heard from his unit what he said before he left that evening:

"I'm going to go out, get drunk.. and go to Dallas... and I don't care what happens." He is survived by a Wife and children. No one stopped him... God didn't stop him, His unit didn't stop him... If you want to do evil... no one will stop you... The question is not where is God... God's question is the same now that it was in the Garden:

Gen 3:9-10 KJV And the LORD God called unto Adam, and said unto him, Where art thou? (10) And he said, I heard thy voice in the garden, and I was afraid, because I was naked; and I hid myself.

God has never hid Himself from us... It has and always has been us who are hiding from God.

For the last 30 years or so, it has been made clear that God is not welcome in the system, so don't hold him accountable when things like this happen. I can agree organized religion has and still is very violent, but not God himself. It was the religious that yelled "crucify Jesus" after Pilot washed his hands. Also, don't forget about Job. The devil tried to change his faith and loyalty to God by using a horrific tragidy like this. Don't let the same devil change you. My thoughts and prayers are with the families!

Know what, everyone that doesn't feel as you is not a POS you POS.

I agree, these young children should not be interviewed. Of course, they might have something to say and maybe not for a day or so - let them go to their parents first. This is a traumatic experience and each child and adult will react in a different way, in a different time. I always thought the media needed permission to interview a child - I know they used to have permission for photos, etc.

Such is the media - how does it feel?

I am sure they are proud of themselves for calling the 78 year-old grandmother to ask her the same question.

Calm down butterbutter - It was a case of mistaken identity. He had his brother's ID on him.

I have to agree. I think this is similar to President Obama scolding Mitt Romney that he should wait until he knows what happened in Benghazi, prior to opening his mouth. Of course Mitt was running for President and was supposed to receive briefings on national securityso that he would know what was going on. Pretty quickly, Obama sent Susan Rice, one of his most ardent political supporters, on television round tables and she told the national audience a fairy tale, she was apparently speaking to the press without all of the facts, or at least that is what they claim. If she did not know what was going on, why didn't Obama tell her not to pull a Romney.

In the end Romney was more correct about what was going on, without being briefed, then all of the Presidents people who were out spreading mis-information, after being briefed.

Fact Check, Fact Check, Fact Check.

All 50 states have them now.

Any wonder babies are being murdered at school.

Having a concealed weapons license does not allow you to carry a concealed weapon inside a school. It's actually the opposite. You cannot carry a concealed weapon inside a school. I would rather have a school with at least one teacher that is highly trained and proficient with a hand gun than not. But ... that would really send everyone over the edge wouldn't it? A capable and armed member of the staff ... MAY have saved a few lives. Maybe not. But when you hear of all the brave acts these teachers make in situations like this ... shielding children in harms way, I sure do bet most of them in that situation wish they could have a little more than just their body to fight the threat. Some might say that having someone well educated and armed (concealed) at an elementary school opens up the elevated possibility that the individual with the weapon might be the one to commit an act like this themselves. I seriously doubt those same teachers are going to "snap" because they have access to a weapon. Anyone that says otherwise just has to ask themselves why that hasn't happened en masse yet. Any teacher, on any given day, could walk in and commit the same crime. Why don't they? Because they are there to help and not harm. Having a weapon available to them wouldn't change that. But hey ... that's no different than the way we've been treating teachers for decades is it? We don't give them the proper tools or funding to educate our children ... and we're surely not going to give them the means to protect them either ... are we? Just an opinion. Mine as a father of a 7 year old, lawful owner of a handgun, and proud veteran.

so people who own guns are now jerks.?? 50 thousand people a year die in car wrecks.. is everyone who owns a car a jerk as well??

Well it's a good thing none of those dangerous folks from Illinois were in Newtown yesterday afternoon, or there might have been a gunfight.

One word: Gun

Wrong word. The word is crazy.

If people want to kill they will find a way.Take away the guns, and soon there will be homemade bombs and homemade chemical weapons.

In 1791 the gun of choice was a single shot, muzzle loaded musket. I am not sure the authors of the Constitution would have written the 2nd Amendment if semi-automatic weapons were available at the time. Especially given the fact that they didn't think we were responsible enough to elect our own President.

The authors of the Constitution would not have changed a single word. This article is about a tragedy beyond words and beyond belief. Period.

Untreated mental illness.

I am not sure that they would have put the word "privacy" in the constitution, if they thought it would allow for hundreds of thousands of abortions per year.

Possibly over-treated? Meds since grade school?

If people want to kill they will find a way.Take away the guns, and soon there will be homemade bombs and homemade chemical weapons.

That's ok. Take the guns away and let them make homemade bombs and homemade chemical weapons. Then lets see how often these homemade bombs and chemical weapons are used. My guess is that there won't be too many.

Why would you expect a person who has given themselves over to Satan to be merciful and rational???? That is not the nature of evil, wether or not you believe in the concept.

So a person who is mentally ill has 'given' themselves over to Satan?

Posts get dumber here by the minute!

It's just odd that shortly after we decide to get rid of God all hell breaks loose. I'm sure it's just a coincidence. We have had guns around for years. Weapons every bit as capable as the weapons used in this incident. You can believe it is the weapons fault. It makes total sense in the "My spoon made me fat" kinda way, but the true problem is what our society holds dear. If I where to point a finger I would point it at Psychiatrist. These vudu doctors have got the majority of society to believe that sports or any kind of compititon is bad because one side must lose and losing damages confidence. If we raise our children right then losing will teach our children character, determination and the strength to get up when we are knocked down. Kids today have no idea how to handle themselves when the world knocks them down. Many twenty year olds have the emotional response of a three year old, but the knowledge to cause a lot more damage. Just a side note. My wife is a special education teacher. Going through college she was told not to use red ink to notate incorrect answers because red ink symbolizes negative answers. Holly Sh** on a shingle that is because you where notating a wrong answer. Our society goes far out of it's way to retard the emotional growth of our children.

No your spoon doesnt make you fat.

However, if you live in a house with candy and pies sitting on all the counters constantly in full sight, are youre more likely to eat the sweets, than if they were out of sight and you had to go to the store every time you wanted a piece ?

Yes if you had perfect self control it wouldnt matter.

Just like if everyone had the training and discipline of a marine, or even of many of the folks in the NRA, who know and use guns wisely. Unfortunately a lot of people dont have that self control, and just like have sweets constantly in sight, easy access to guns makes it easier for people to do these things.

Making guns more difficult to get wont stop it all, but it will stop some.

My issue is with psychiatry today. I've worked with people who are depressed and they keep ruminating and going over and over things in their minds. Co-workers not trained in psychiatry can see how they are creating some of their problems but all that seems to happen is a change in medications. Don't they work on getting over past traumas or toxic relation relationships? Don't they do talk therapy anymore? Medication isn't good enough on it's own. All the person has to do is stop his medication and his demons run amock.

According to recent report COGNITIVE THERAPY is not covered by health insurance in the US. Too much of our mental health dollars go to big pharma and the people who write the prescriptions. This is a total rip-off. Psychiatrists use the lets-try-this and lets-try-adding- that with very little research on the effects, how long those effects last and what happens on withdrawal. No studies are made of the deleterious effects because all these medications are presumed safe. Ask any pharmaceutical salesman. Glad you made the comment.