May God grant peace and comfort to all involved...

What a load of crap. If you ever needed proof that there is no God, this is it. If God is all knowing and all powerful, He could have prevented this tragedy. The fact that He did not do so proves either that He is an a$$hole and not worthy of your devotion, or else he doesn't exist. Take your pick.

Red, if god prevented every single problem on earth, there would be no point in being here. Tragedies happen and none of them are gods fault, they are mans fault. God didn't kill 6 million Jews, the Nazi's did. God didn't kill 60 million Chinese people, Mao Zedong did. And god did not kill these 28 people, the crazy nut job did. You expect that if there is a god, he is supposed to solve all your problems for you. Well guess what- IT DOES NOT WORK THAT WAY.

heartofcompassion-I agree completely with your insights and thoughtful comments. There are so many in this world, who make fun of people of faith.They are incapable of being able to understand or even to realize the great comfort, strength and peace which comes from turning to one's spiritual relationship with that Great Being, known by many different names around the world. God, Heavenly Father, Creator,I AM,Allah and so many other names. At times like these, they have refuge, guidance and peace, which those without faith, simply don't have.

For the religious blessed with such faith to turn to, it allows them to endure the heart breaks, storms of life, trials and temptations to seek revenge and feel hatred. Helping to developing the capacities of love, forgiveness, empathy, patience, tolerance , meekness and hope. For they see this life, not as an end of existence when it is over, but a part of something wonderful, which awaits. To leave God as the judge, who knows all things. And comfort those who mourn.

People do have their agency to choose.Sometimes that is evil. As was pointed out, that is not God's fault. Life seems to be a constant testing ground to see what we will choose. And our character is slowly revealed by the choices that we make.

I know what you're saying, Red. The bible is full of G*D intervening. The only two things I can think of is...

G*D doesn't intervene when HE wants a problem driven home in a big way. Mass murder is a temporary shock to those not involved, and then pretty much forgotten about until the next time it happens. G*D must want us to solve this on our own as a nation. If we can't do this, what happens when the next disaster happens, and the next and the next. We are solely reliant on G*D when HE gave us free will. We work with HIM. Not make HIM do all the work while we become helpless cripples.

Same with national karma - the karma we carry as a country. The problem gets worse when karma is ignored meaning the lessons, as in, solve this to some degree, get more and more obvious. For every friend who doesn't want to snitch. For every parent who thinks, not my kid. It adds to the nation's karma.

Either way this will keep happening until every person in this country feels it's their responsible to stop it. Not just the police, FBI, Washington.

Redneck, God is never to blame. All of man's maladies are the result of man's choices (that always fall short on virtue, faith and love).

Modern man - particularly those who deny God - seems to see himself as his own savior. We all see repeatedly how mankind can't save itself from anything. Today is just one more example of how the temptations of Satan can affect a human's mind to do whatever.

And frankly, Windancersong's comments are offensive since they are so modernist and ecumenical. The One, True God was revealed to the world and yet in the name of political correctedness (again, man being his own savior through "logic") He is negated to be simply the "great spirit" that takes on many forms and names based on cultures and falsities of man.

too late to pray to God, Just get ready for Judgment Day, repent and obey.

Because, believe it or not, There's plenty more of this and far worse tragedies coming soon.

Santhosha

I know what you're saying, Red. The bible is full of G*D intervening. The only two things I can think of is...

G*D doesn't intervene when HE wants a problem driven home in a big way. Mass murder is a temporary shock to those not involved, and then pretty much forgotten about until the next time it happens. G*D must want us to solve this on our own as a nation. If we can't do this, what happens when the next disaster happens, and the next and the next. We are solely reliant on G*D when HE gave us free will. We work with HIM. Not make HIM do all the work while we become helpless cripples.

Same with national karma - the karma we carry as a country. The problem gets worse when karma is ignored meaning the lessons, as in, solve this to some degree, get more and more obvious. For every friend who doesn't want to snitch. For every parent who thinks, not my kid. It adds to the nation's karma.

Either way this will keep happening until every person in this country feels it's their responsible to stop it. Not just the police, FBI, Washington.

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right on San-your right on!!!!-what we must do is stop passing Same-Sex marriage legislation.

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Hi Rednecklawyer9 @#1.2 -

If you ever needed proof that there is no God, this is it. If God is all knowing and all powerful, He could have prevented this tragedy. The fact that He did not do so proves either that He is an a$$hole and not worthy of your devotion, or else he doesn't exist.

Your logic of finding "proof" is flawed. I would be happy to discuss it if you care to discuss my meaning. I am not a thumper, and I don't care if we refer to It as God - but I contend Philosophically that 'God' exists forever incompletely defined except conceptually as "Being The Eternal Moment Everything". It, "God", is literally "Everything That Exists". I'm not seeking to preach or argue with a hostile individual, I'm only stating that my perception is as valid as yours even when expressed in logical terms.

First and foremost, my heart and prayers go out to ALL those involved and affected by Sandy Hook Elementary School shootings. In fact my heart and prayers go out to everyone involved in any of these senseless tragedies that have racked our country as of late. Lord, help us all!!!!!!!

In response to the previous comments, how quickly we forget that just like there is a God, there is also an enemy (the devil). People are always so quick to blame God for the things that go on in the world but there is evil out there as well. Unlike God, evil does not want to see people happy and at peace.

What we all need to do now is stop blaming God for our weaknesses and irresponsibility's and ask him to help us all stay in our right mind. When we pray and keep God first in our lives the enemy (devil) won't be able to take control. We need to start taking our children to church to learn about God instead of taking them to movies that teach them nothing but violence and other things. We need to teach our children how to pray and how to treat others with respect and kindness, not let them come home and sit in front of the tv or play video games all day.

All this unnecessary crap that is going on in the world today is nothing but a war between good and evil. For those of you who are not familiar with the Bible, pick it up and read the book of Revelations, that's where we are right now. The end is near, I agree with that, but no man can predict when that is. Only God can do that. We need to stop playing God and start worshiping him.

Your God (who doesn't exist) is evil if He really does exist.

When you say you "will pray", what you really mean is "I'm not going to do anything about this, but I want you to THINK I'm doing something about it."

You religious nuts make me sick. You are the problem here. You cause incidents like this! Don't you get it?

Certainly real in my understanding. If one are says that we need to define God (Self) by living as to represent a good, loving, caring, happy Being who understands we are all part of God - then I agree, but I think too many perceive a vast war between good and evil. Faith in, and belief In, God is knowing that the expression of this Being in Time shows It contains all Good and Evil - but the complete Being Lives beyond the concept of Time as the Infinite Idyllic Existence. Resolved and distilled to only good before and after an eternity of human definition (in the quantum state), as only One living beyond Time can (in the Grand Unification state). It has already happened...we should hurry to define the reality in Time. The sooner the better.

Look, if you're gonna thank and praise this imaginary god when things go right, you have to -- by right -- blame and curse him when things go so horribly wrong. That's logic. You can't say, "Well this god is the source of everything good, but when something bad happens, no no no, he's not involved at all."

It doesn't work like that! If your god saved THIS child from being shot, by absolute logic, that means he killed (or willfully allowed to be murdered) the one who was five feet away.

And predictably, we have desperate, gullible people filling up the church pews again for answers that aren't there. It'll be the same crap... prayers, thoughts, tears, candlelight vigils, blah blah blah, but NOTHING will change until we do something about gun violence in America. It's lunacy how we can call ourselves a civilized country yet allow (over and over and over again) our neighbors and children to be gunned down.

If little five-year-old girls being slaughtered at their school desks en masse doesn't get this country talking about gun control, nothing will.

I'm currently living and working overseas and in all the years I've been living abroad, we've never had candlelight vigils for victims of mass shootings. Not once. Why? Because there haven't been any shootings!! No handguns in society = no handgun violence in society. It's really pretty simple. And you don't even need to pray on it.

Hello Thinkforyourself, I don't know if you're talking to me exactly because I don't think as you described.

Look, if you're gonna thank and praise this imaginary god when things go right, you have to -- by right -- blame and curse him when things go so horribly wrong. That's logic. You can't say, "Well this god is the source of everything good, but when something bad happens, no no no, he's not involved at all."

I don't know if you noticed, but I wrote that It (also called God) is literally Everything that exists in Time - fully containing all time to infinity. I do not say it requires praise, I say that we define it in a quantum existence contained in Time. Nothing that is or ever has been or will be can be excluded from It. The Holocaust - all God. The face eater in Florida and the man whose face got chewed - both God. In Time it is necessary to establish a 'this' and a 'that' an eternal difference as a point of reference (the focal and balance point). I know the words God and Jesus put off atheistic thinkers - hell, they put me off for twenty five or thirty years. If we are discussing the same topic, "What is the meaning of existence? What does it mean to 'Be'?" - then we don't have to use the words God or Jesus at all.

At the same time, I recognize it is not only a matter of semantics, but of opinion. I am always going to be right and wrong - according to my own theory - while I live within Time, and so are you. We know that over Time all discrepancies are reconciled into quantum differential. We argue over the details throughout the future, and no matter how closely we define a thing there are always more details to resolve because Time extends literally into and out from a growing infinity. No, no prayer. Rational understanding of existence is recognizing we're all part of the same single Being - and deciding whether or not we think "It knows". I think It knows, and I think it laughs Its blissful, figurative, virtual ass off throughout an infinity of existence - and offers us the same if we'll only describe It Being that way. It takes a long time on purpose.

No G-Dog, I wasn't addressing you specifically. I think your most recent post is a load of new age hooey, but everyone has their own opinion. I tend to be a realist and a pragmatist. You, clearly, are neither of these. And that's okay.

What I was advocating was a national dialogue on real gun control that can, for once, discount this perverse and ill-reading of the 200-year-old Second Amendment. Because it's not worth the price America pays in the blood of its citizens, up to and including some of its youngest ones.

Hi Think, hah, had to laugh at the "new age hooey" critique. I also tend to be a realist and a pragmatist, and find your basis to assume the contrary as unfounded as your assessment my philosophical logic - which also happens to incorporate observation and use of logic to rational conclusion. If you can't see it, that's okay.

At least we agree on our reading of the Second Amendment and the need to have better training, licensing, and accountability for our guns than our Dogs. The obvious arguments for and against guns is about the same - "otherwise, force wins and might makes right". Everybody says they want the same outcome but it easily devolves into an "Us against Them" argument. If we make an effort to see where the other fellow is right and find agreement - the differences reduce to relative variance in opinion, perspective, and semantics. True, there does seem to always arise an unintelligible noise in opposition (often stemming from fear) which seems not to accept reason - while reason incarnate is what we are. Everybody confined within time is always going to be right and wrong, and most will spot somebody elses wrong before they can see how they could possibly be right in any way. New age hooey, heh heh.

The posts above me illustrate why I laugh when the atheists cry about being persecuted. They went to the church to pay respects to the victims which none of you people are doing right now.

Apparently, after reading some blogs here, those who believe in a God are speaking on behalf of God to explain God's inaction or non-intervention. Who appointed or annointed these wonderful wisemen to be the voice of God? Are these people suffering from arrogance or self delusion?

Those who do not believe in a God are claiming this tragedy is proof that there is no God. If there were a God, they claimed, God would have stop this madman from committing the horrific murdering of children.

There is no irrefutable proof that there is a God or no God. It's all by faith. A big leap of faith.

Just in one day, the combined total number of murder in five major American cities, Detroit, Chicago, NYC, Los Angeles, and Phili exceed the annual combined total number of murder in five nations, Korea, Japan, Singapore, Taiwan, and Hong Kong. Same comparison holds true for rape and burglary. This is irrefutable evidence that America is a violent nation whose people are under financial or psychological siege by a massive number of criminals within and without of prisons.

If there is a God, America better pray for redemption. If there is no God, every American better own several AK47s with a barrel of ammo!

This kind of evil cannot be stopped, put a armed guard at every school, store, station, whatever, and it still will make no difference. A person intent on murder will walk up to this guard and stab him in the back while smiling. We stopped treating mental illness unless the person had money to pay, even with insurance it did not cover the cost. Even now it is after a mentally ill person hurts someone or them selves are they given any help. Actually I do not believe in a mental illness, I believe in a medical brain injury or disease. I believe in human beings becoming so insensitive to death and pain that they do not care anymore. Children playing with games that glorify the murdering of innocent people or games that spew so much gore it even makes a grown person cringe, but we allow our children spend hours upon hours playing them.

No one in China or alot of other countries are allowed to own firearms but read on. An attacker with a meat cleaver hacked seven infants and two adults to death in north-west China today despite police efforts to stem a wave of school killings that has terrified parents across the country.

A further 11 children were injured in the attack at a nursery in Hanzhong city, Shaanxi province, which took place at 8am, soon after the start of school. A resident said most of the children were aged between two and four. The alleged attacker Wu Huanmin, 38, killed himself, according to the Xinhua news agency.

Guns do not kill. People do. And the fault lies with the evil in the human race. You may not believe in God or the Christian Bible but it does give the best explanation as to why this happens, from the sin of Adam and Eve, to the sin of their son Cain who murdered his own Brother.

Would someone plese explain why these murdered babies have to lie on the floor at this school for two to three days, this is cut and dry, why put these parents and loved ones thru that. What can the cops hope to accomplish by doing that, there is no need for an autopsy as the cause of death is very evident. Its bad enough that these loved ones have to deal with the murder of thei children and others but then they are forced to know these babies are being subjected to what?

Even in the days when the caring of a gun by everyone there were senseless murders and they were not done by law abiding citizens either. You will never be able to take the guns away from the criminals or anyone else's hand's who is trully intent on murder.

Being raised in the era of the cold war and the Cuban missle crisis where we got under our desks.

The world and this country are far worse off then they were then. I grew up with the threat of a nuclear attack. I have never been so afraid for this country as I am after watching the effects of yesterday's tragedy. These are innocent children who had no choice to be brought in the world. I have seen way too many instances of child neglect and gun violence. I have nothing against the computer age and social media . I do wonder how much it has to do with the violence we have in today's world ? This is the 21st century and we are more advanced than any time in history.

WITH GREAT POWER COMES GREAT RESPONSIBILITY !!

I sometimes wonder how many of these killers are acting out a video game ?

I grew up in a sugar coated world. We had newspapers and Television then.

I never remember this amount of violence.

Maybe we need to focus more on our children instead of the social media ?

It might take some effort . It is much easier for them to learn from TV or a computer.

The only problem with that is what are they learning ?

I have a 5 year old grandson who is very intelligent.

When I am with him I focus solely on him and he learns very easily with me.

He is behind in school because his single mother is more focused on the social media or what is on TV.

I realize it is a tough economy out there . A few minutes of your time will not hurt you economically.

Once you decide to bring children in to this world you have an obligation to give them every chance you can to have them grow up the best way possible.

I was having a hard time getting sleep before yesterday.

I found it near impossible last night.

TO ANYONE WHO MAY BE CONSIDERING AN ACT LIKE THIS... PLEASE READ THE COMMENTS BELOW!

I want to reach out to ANYONE who is watching and reading about the tragedies that have unfolded in the past, and specifically yesterday at Sandy Hook Elementary,and earlier this week at Clackamas Town Center who may feel lonely, misunderstood, desperate, hateful, or lost. Please reach out to SOMEONE in your community. A fireman, or neighbor, a store clerk, schoolmate, or a helpline. Call someone at your local television station, but tell someone how you feel and try to get help before considering an act like this. Call me if you like..503-320-5886.. I will help you.

You not only hurt the people at whom you direct your bullets, but many many more. For every person you kill or hurt there are at least 20 other lives affected negatively. You don't need to have your fate be as the other boys eventual suicide.. there are people who want to help you. Just reach out and tell someone BEFORE acting. You are NOT alone, there are many who feel there is no hope for them, and want to be heard. Taking up a weapon is NOT the only answer. And although you may get your name in the news, It will not help You, or anyone who feels like you do. There are ways to make the pain you are in go away.

In my own community, the shootings at the Clackamas Town Center not only hurt the victims, their immediate families and friends, but the hundreds of people who worked at the Town Center, shopped there, the merchants, their families. The wave of hate extends so much farther than you could imagine. Please seek help before acting on your instincts.

I also hope that someone in the media, will take heed, and ALWAYS when reporting these senseless acts, REACH OUT TO THOSE WHO MAY FEEL THE SAME AS THE SHOOTERS FIRST! Give numbers to call, show public announcements that give information on how to deal with desperation, but for heavens sake, DO SOMETHING other than just report the names of those who commit acts of violence against groups of strangers and communities.

Getting rid of guns is not the answer, helping the people (especially our youth) to understand the ramifications, and above all ... REACH OUT to those you know who are outside your immediate group of friends. Stop bullying and making fun of people who have less than you do or act differently than you do. Open your heart to all in your path. ONLY kindness and understanding can stop these acts from happening.

"You are the problem here. You cause incidents like this!"

Wow Captain, you are pathetic. You're blaming the deaths of 28 people on Christians. Let me ask you this, How in the world did Christians have anything to do with this?! It's almost like you Atheists blurt out words before you think about what is being said.

It's almost like you Atheists blurt out words before you think about what is being said.

Kind of like rednecklawyer9 @ 1.2. It's amazing how atheists will deny God exists, then blame Him when evil happens. That's rather schizophrenic, if you ask me.

What these people need is for the news crews to pack up their crap and roll out of town, and leave them alone. And we the people, stop mainlining the media and feeding them so they stop going after each little tidbit coming out of tragedies. They don't care about these people, and newscasters shedding tears don't mean a hell of alot when their angle is to one-up each other.

Leave 'em alone. Let them cope and begin to deal with this as best they can and begin the long, long, life-long road to healing.

This is not the first time a deranged person has shot a classroom full of kindergartners. In 1996 at Dunblane Primary School in Scotland, a man burst into a room full of 5 and 6 year-olds and killed sixteen small children and their teacher.

Following this massacre, handguns were banned in the United Kingdom, and now the UK has one of the lowest rates of gun homicides in the world.

Now is the time, America, for us to stand up and say NO to the gun advocates and start enforcing stricter gun laws.

Take a look at this link of the children and their teacher killed in Scotland, and think of the children and teachers killed yesterday.

http://fareehaali.com/2011/09/18/september11/

DON'T LET THE NRA BULLY US ANYMORE!

It's funny how the gun advocates want to use the argument that "Guns don't kill people. People kill people" but then blame God when a tragedy happens. Well I say, "God does not kill people. People kill people." He provides us with free will. The opportunity to look at a situation and make a decision to do what is right or do what is wrong. Don't blame God. Blame mental illness, poor government oversight about mental health programs and gun laws, blame poor parenting, society's desensitization to violence through promotion of gore and violence, the romanticizing of gun owner's rights...whatever you would like but do not blame God! In the end it is each person's decision to decide. America... we are raising children that are poorly educated in morals and responsibility. Why? Because we took God out of the equation long ago.

As a matter of fact they pretty much were. It was a grade school and I believe most of the victims were between 6 and 13 or something like that. It happened a couple of years ago or so. RESPONSIBLE gun owners keep their weapons secured so that disturbed ass wipes like this kid can't access them. This kids mom f'd up and she and 28 others paid the ultimate price. Stricter gun laws would not have prevented this tragedy as his mom legally owned the guns. She just didn't properly secure them, and you cannot legislate personal behavior, and that's what this all boils down to. Who's to say that maybe 2 years from now the chemical imbalance or very small tumor that's in your brain or mine won't all of a sudden manifest itself and cause you or me to go off the deep end as this kid did. All of the legislation or open dialogues and discussions in the world will never prevent things like this.

To note: No-one died in the slashing of the Chinese kids. The Newtown children were picked off by bullets rapidly fired from GUNS. Shooter didn't have to stop to reload. And you don't think that's a problem?? Good Lord!

We need to address your fears, and my fears, and come up with some solutions to the gun violence in our country. No-one is talking about taking away guns from responsible gun owners. If you're hearing that, some one, or some group is trying to incite you. The wise thing for gun owners to do is to have rational dialogue about how we can prevent losing our children to gun violence. Your image needs to be elevated, and quoting the same BS talking points isn't helping your case. Doing nothing is no longer acceptable.

This is a tragedy and I am heartbroken for the families of Newtown.

Curtass, that's the problem: Responsible.

Having a gun may be a constitutional right (taken out of context in modern America), but there's absolutely no need for there to be semi-automatic weapons available to the citizenry.

There absolutely needs to be strict regulations or some prohibitions. Hell, there are limits to another constitutional right (voting), there's no reason an absolute ban on the potentially most horrific, war-centric guns from anyone in the US outside of active-duty police or those in the active military.

United We Stand -- and many others -- say we must do something to stop these tragic massacres. I agree. However, most sane people agree that gun control won't do it. If someone wants to kill a bunch of people, adults or children, they will find a way. And if we take the guns away from the honest citizens, then yes, only outlaws will have guns because they sure aren't going to turn them in.

So the question remains -- what can be done? Personally, I can't think of anything. I would love to hear from others of suggestions of possible actions we can take as a society and as a nation to reduce the occurrence of tragedies such as today's. Please? Anyone??

Yes they were and does it make you wonder what would have been the outcome if even one or two of the teachers in this school were carrying a 9mm and they has been trained on how to use it. You can never take the guns away from the criminals or those who are intent on killing, but if prepared, you could at least stop some of it. And yes you would be putting yourselves at risk, but what is the alternative, cower in the corner trying as best you can to protect the children and being murdered anyway, or waiting for them to come for you and greetng them with your weapon. I choose the latter. I will say it again and again, no one, no one can stop a person who is intent on killing someone unless it is known that it is going to happen before hand, not the cops, and not you. On the news a few days ago, did you see the video of the murderer waiting for his victim on the sidewalk, and when he went past, the killer shot the man in the head, if he had had a knife he would have stuck him in the back, if he had had a machete he would have hacked him to death, if had waited until he crossed the street and ran over him with his car over and over, this killer was going to commir murder, nothing could be done about it. If a person really wants to kill a lot of innocent children he can run them down with a car, don't you see where I am going with this. In all of the examples a citizen who is armed and trained to use a weapon is the only way these events could have been stopped and even then in most cases they would have only possibly more carnage after the fact. God help us.

The guns used in the shooting were purchased and registered legally by the murderer's mother.

Yes, but the shooter didn't obtain them with permission. BIG difference.

Yes, but the shooter didn't obtain them with permission. BIG difference.

And you know that for sure, how?

Guns were stolen from the licensed owner not legal at all. Nothing about this tragedy was legal or ok with the law the NRA or anyone with any sense. These posts are hysterical venting not constructive discussion. The issue is too emotional to discuss intellegently at this time. We are at war, we have met the enemy and he is us. Not the constitution,not the NRA,not even guns but US.

From Center for American Progess

Between 2009 and 2011, states cumulatively cut more than $1.8 billion from their budgets for mental health services, according to a report released in 2011 by the National Alliance on Mental Illness. At least two-thirds of states significantly slashed spending for services for children and adults living with mental illness.

To be sure, a person with mental illness is not de facto a violent person. Nor are they likely to cause human carnage by embarking on a shooting rampage. But spree killers share a number of traits, and one of them is being troubled. In the aftermath of one of the most infamous incidents of spree killing—the Columbine High School rampage in 1999—the Secret Service’s National Threat Assessment Center examined 37 school attacks involving 41 student assailants from 1974 and 2000. They found a disturbing mix of mental illness and inaction:

• 93 percent of assailants exhibited behavior that caused a school official, parent, or law enforcement officer to be concerned before the attack.
• 81 percent of assailants let at least one person know that they were thinking of or planning an attack.
• 78 percent of the assailants “exhibited a history of suicide attempts or suicidal thoughts.”
• 66 percent of attackers were known to be real threats by at least one person; in nearly every case, the person who knew this was a peer, friend, or sibling.
• 34 percent of the assailants had a mental health evaluation prior to the attack.
• 17 percent of the assailants “had been diagnosed with mental health or behavior disorder prior to the attack.”

Failing to appropriately treat and care for mentally ill Americans, especially young adults, puts us all at risk. Federal efforts to stem the state-level cuts and ensure sufficient Medicaid funds for behavioral health treatment must be considered a basic public-safety investment. Yet the National Alliance for Mental Illness finds that, “The magnitude of these cuts in a number of states is staggering. California cut $587.4 million during this period, New York $132 million and Illinois $113.7 million.” To make matters worse the current House Republican budget for 2013 proposes to further reduce federal funding for mental health treatment.

Don't forget the cost of prescription medicine. Some families have a hard enough time paying for their mortgage and can't afford to get the medicine their child needs. Oh I'm sorry you make too much to get help. Sadly, I know a child at our school that is suffering because the parent can't afford the $250 a month extra for needed medicine. I'm sure there are plenty more..

What the hell was a kindergarten teacher and single mom with two grown children living in a nice suburb in Connecticutt doing with guns like this? Why? Especially if she knew her son had mental problems.

@ttahl

No one is talking about "taking from the innocent"! We're talking about making gun ownership a privilege that someone would have to qualify for. If you're sane, stable, and can demonstrate appropriate safety with a firearm, you should have NOTHING to worry about.

I agree UWS. Are we going to lay the bodies of these children at the altar of the NRA, along with all the other innocent victims of crazed gun owners? Don't forget the 9-year-old girl who died when Gabrielle Giffords was shot.

The hypocrisy of the NRA makes me sick. They chant their mantra: "Guns don't kill people, people kill people." But they lobby against the establishment of a national register of known mentally unstable people, against background checks at gun fairs, against ALL laws that would help to prevent those same crazy people from getting their hands on guns.

Moronic.

And your last statement is disturbing in that you publicly/arrogantly profess you revel in the fact the shooter is in hell, rather than just feeling sad that moral judgment and Christian upbringing teaches us that murder (including suicide) destroys the soul and likely destines the soul to everlasting damnation. Why throw a party?

@heartofcompassion I am glad that you explained this. God is not to blame. The bible tells of his personality if only people would look into it. He is the one to give us the comfort and we are to throw all of our anxiety on him. he gives us the strength to keep going when we believe in Him and keep the faith.You are right he def has bigger plans coming.He's not being indifferent to all of the wicked acts happening. He's going to take care of it.I'm not trying to preach to anyone on here but if people would just study more into God's word, the bible, it's not a mystery. all the answers are right there.

Your God is immoral.

He is omnipotent and omniscient, right? So He knew this was going to happen and could have done something about it, but chose not to.

Stop apologizing for the horrible monster who lives in The Bible.

Start thinking for yourself.

"This is where i BELIEVE God is right now. He is with those children who witnessed this, He is with their parents comforting them,He is with the parents of the children who did not make it out of that school. BUT most of all He is in control and He is welcoming home His children who shared our world for only a brief moment in time."

You may believe it, but just believing something does not make it true. You are asserting the existence of an interventionist entity. Something that acts in the world, "comforting, ...in control..." etc. Such an entity which could have stopped this and didn't is EVIL. Arguments about free will fall away in this case, since something which has to be given is not actually free.

Could Yahweh have acted but didn't ? :EVIL. Couldn't act ? Why worship something so impotent ?

The simplest answer is that there are no gods, just us, and WE have to deal with mental illness, and gun control ourselves, to protect our children, because any deities which do exist are obviously not interested in human well being or are incompetent at creating well balanced humans.

I'm sorry to be so forceful, but it's time to realise that the nonsense you have been taught as a child about a superbeing which looks after you is false, and is clearly not delivering on its claims.

Mind you, remember Yahweh did arrange for the torturing to death of his own child, and loves burnt meat and blood, so he does have a reputation to keep up.

He gives each one freedom and opportunities to choose between good and bad, right and wrong

So he gave that to those 20 little kids? They got to choose? Sorry, I hardly think questioning is "foolish".

I certainly hope that faith brings comfort. This is a horrible tragedy ... as a country we need to come together and help. However calling people who question it "foolish" does not help.

Funny, isn't it, how god respects the free will of the shooters, but not the free will of the dead....

Ironically, this is the same valid argument to have against what aborting a fetus is all about.

Kynetick, "respect" isn't the right word. Free will is what makes mankind good or evil. There are consequences to those men who choose wrong and therefore the onus is on them when their bad wills cause the deaths of others. Man is the reason for bad in this world, not God.

If you do believe in something, you should likewise keep it to yourself.

Certainly since the 1960s, it's pretty obvious that man has destroyed God. Man is his own savior (logic, technology and ecumenical logic), which is what continues to cause the world to spiral downhill.

Nobody can destroy God. I have seen very decent Catholics, Protestants, Jews, Buddhists, and agnostics all get together as one family under the canopy of Heaven during times of tragedy.

Don't get upset at those that either deny God, those that have a different faith, and those good people of no particular faith that honestly have doubts as to all religion? Likewise, do hateful bible thumpers or pedophile priests speak for Jesus and his mother? I don't think so.

It was a terrible thing that happened today. I am with a most heavy heart.

This was a very terrible day for America.

V/r,

LTC Rattus, USA, ret.

Well, no. You can't destroy something that doesn't exist.

The belief in god, however...now that's a good place to start.

As Chris Hayes brilliantly stated, when something like this happens it is not too early to talk about gun control, it's too late.

That was Ezra Klein who said that, sorry.

That "arms of angels" ad pisses me off. I'm not saying that abusing animals is ok, but when children are starving and being abused every day, how can anyone worry about some mutt being mis-treated? Let's start at least giving all the children on this planet a chance at a decent life before we worry about some varmint.

Nonsense but thanks for playing. Now buh-bye.

I agree. But critics is still not enough to make a real change happen. A new responsibility for the social development of the nation should be established. A start to this may be found on YT: l2xmLwrb6Wk (straight2say).

I can agree with much of what the Rev said, but I quibble with a couple of them. Here's one:

Video games do not teach people how to kill.

If you've ever looked at the average controller for the average video game...well, when you find the A, B, C, and D buttons on a rifle, or explain how moving that controller knob in a circle translates into actually firing a gun, get back to me.

Video games, yes, the violent ones, actually reduce violent crime. Don't believe me; go look at the stats. Pretend killing innocent pixels relieves stress.

Video games aren't magic tools that turn healthy, empathetic kids into killing machines. You want a magic pill, an easy solution, so you go for things like "take away their games!" It won't help. It might, in fact, hurt.

Give it some thought...if you can manage critical thought...

I think Mike Huckabee is the only person to have said something stupider. You need to reevaluate your priorities.

What did you say you evil atheist? Spit it out!

He said people like you don't want to think. I agree with him.