It is not an unusual question for people to ask when they get past the initial shock of knowing they have lost someone they care about. I for one would like to know that my children did not suffer should they die before me just as much as I would hope that they found the afterlife to be a better place. Personally, I appreciate Dr. Carver's kind words in that regard. Spoken like a true professional.

The parents wanted to know, there's your answer.

I hate the media too, but it is a gut reaction question that I'm afraid many of us wondered. I was almost comforted to know that the pain of the children did not last long. Yet, I still understand your horror at such a question.

Well, unfortunately, for the parents, the suffering has just begun, and will last the rest of their lives.

People that "hate the media" also hate freedom of information and all the liberty that entails. Jump off the right wing bandwagon of attacking the very institutions, like media, education, and government, that guarantee civil law as opposed to rule by the most powerful.

The same day this horrific incident happened here, a mentally ill man in China stabbed 22 elementary students and an elderly woman. Some of the injuries sustained are severe, however no one died. Although larger issues that need to be addressed include mental illness and violence in society, I am struck by the similarities in these two situations and that none of the children in China, where private citizens are not allowed to have guns, lost their lives.

Asking if they suffered is a way to begin to process what happened. It's a way to ease the mind of their loved ones. Most humans wonder if their loved ones suffered or if they went quickly and peacefully. As death is an unknown to everyone who hasn't done it - and they can't explain what happens when a person dies - it is a natural question. I wanted to know if my father had suffered when he passed of medical related issues.

An attacker named Wu Huanming (吴环明), 48, killed seven children and two adults and injured 11 other persons with a cleaver at a kindergarten in Hanzhong, Shaanxi on May 12, 2010;^[3] early reports were removed from the internet in China, for fear that mass coverage of such violence can provoke copycat attacks. One of many events in the past few years.

This is not the first time a deranged person has shot a classroom full of young schoolchildren. In 1996 at Dunblane Primary School in Scotland, a man burst into a room full of 5 and 6 year-olds and killed sixteen small children and their teacher.

Following this massacre, handguns were banned in the United Kingdom, and now the UK has one of the lowest rates of gun homicides in the world.

Now is the time, America, for us to stand up and say NO to the gun advocates and start enforcing stricter gun laws.

Take a look at this link of the children and their teacher killed in Scotland, and think of the children and teachers killed yesterday. There are many other links to the Dunblane massacre as well.

http://fareehaali.com/2011/09/18/september11/

DON'T LET THE NRA BULLY US ANYMORE.

So the mother was a gun nut ... and then her little devil went out of control with her toys.

PROPOSAL: GPS - buried deep enough within the manufacture of guns as to risk destruction of the 'toy' if the owner tried to pried it out - and web publication and alert to all neighborhoods where the nut owner lives to forewarn citizens on crazies in their mist. ALSO, to trigger alarms when said 'toys' are within given set miles of schools.

I have no idea if your suggestions would, or should work, but I am glad to see that people are thinking of many different ways that perhaps our society can address the gun issues we have in this country.

Uh oh, more random crazy people with no apparent motive, doing unspeakable things with guns. As usual, the investigation and subsequent media coverage are full of holes and ignore the mountains of evidence of a coverup.

Who would have motive to do this, but the same people who have been trying to disarm the populace for years, and especially in the wake of all these recent tragedies? I don't want to point any fingers, but damn there have been a lot of these shootings (and a whole lot of anti-2nd amendment media coverage) since 2008.

Chris D. It is reported that all of the parents asked that very question. Have a heart.

Jesus... 6 and 7 year olds.

How many more innocent martyrs does the NRA need before we can have a rational conversation about gun control?

Why is the media trying to convince us that this was the act of a lone nut, a troubled kid? They keep using photos of Lanza that are 8 years old! Check out Lanza's facebook photo. Check out the Communist clinched fist and tattoos.

http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/3611_423506811050933_1150852840_n.jpg

Chris D re #2., Why do they ask that question? Because people in general, in particular the families of these slain children are looking desperately for 100th of 1 percent worth of comfort in this horrible event. That somehow it was better that they were killed in such a way that they didn't know what happened. To me if I read a persons obituary and it said ,"Died or passed peacefully in their sleep", at a ripe old age I say well done. There is no strength on this Earth that can keep the parents and family of those little kids from going out of their mind with grief. The gruesome details would crush them even further. The President set the tone for this tragedy by losing composure. May the press follow the example and not exploit this.

I'm really tired of people who would rather protect their guns instead of making it mandatory that EVERYONE has to go through a background check. They also need to BAN assault weapons, and limit how many guns a person can buy

I have purposely avoided this conversation and this story. We have a 5 year old boy and I can't imagine what these parents must be going through. When we heard the news, I went straight to school and picked up my son, I'm not sure I have ever hugged him so long.

I understand a gun for protection, a small arms piece but assault weapons have no place in the hands of non law enforcement personnel.

I could careless about the NRA or the 2nd Amendment, it was written when very little protection was provided to Citizens and they were often forced to protect their property. But the only reason to have a mass killing weapon would be to protect yourself from a mass killing weapon that shouldn't be on the streets in the first place.

Did they suffer? Probably not.

That .223 round has such a high velocity that strange things can happen. Hydraulic shock can kill. If a bullet hits a bone it may shatter, becoming an instant shotgun round. Or it may ricochet off in another direction. There was one instance I know of where someone was hit in the shoulder and the bullet turned 90 degrees and exited out the hip.

What a mess. This needs to end.

I have no faith in the government setting up better gun policies. Not that i do believe we should. But the weapons manufacturing companies have way too much of a sway in washington to give in to us peasants of logic. And the body count means nothing, case in point almost every war since ww1, major companies have made major money off dead, look it up if you don't believe me. Hell Mercedez-benz made the ovens in freaking concentration camps! if you want reform then mean it and lets take it around the table, if you want classes and tests and background checks for gun owners lets hook up anyone and everyone in or thinking about going in to politics to certain nerological machines and lets give them pyche tests. Because if doesn't wake them all up to whats really goiong on in America then, we got some people in high places that shouldn't be there. But i am very leery of complete disarming of the citizens, because as a famous, subversive writer once said, "i would adhor living in a society where the only people allowed to carry a gun are the police and military" Exactly what are forefathers were wise enough to know. So i'm very torn. All i know is its not just us, the gun problem is global. It would almost take a race of aliens to come down and take all of our weapons and say 'look you build anymore, we'll come back and f*#k you all up.' for us as humans to understand.

Gun control has worked in the UK. The United Kingdom puts bans on automatic and semi-automatic weapons after the Dunblane Primary School Massacre and now they have one of the lowest gun homicide rates in the world.

If they can do it, why can't the U.S.?

The answer is ... we can!

Speak out, America. Email the President and your State Represenatives and tell them that the NRA will not bully us anymore.

what a sad sad day for america,innocent children,toddlers,gun downed buy a crazy unstable person,their teachers,died the same way why?they were defenseless,easy targets,the first three three words when the crazy #**k saw when he arrived were probably on the sign for the school that said GUN FREE ZONE.I,unlike some of you,am a gun toting,god fearing,american,who firmly believes that one person who carried the object of your hate,could have stopped or prevented what happened like it or not.I,myself own one of those evil black guns,that some of you hate,I obtained it legally and have a lot of money in,that one gun is been held,fired,ect..by many people and guess what it has killed nothing but deer,that feed my family.I find the aftermath of this disgusting,rather than pray for these people,you all rather point fingers and blame inanimate objects and orginizations that support these objects.I think you need to realize its not the guns,its the people in this world that are evil,I say,lets grow a spine and start publicly execute these sick bastards,put it on t.v.so the world can see that it will not be stood for no longer,oh wait we can't do that either it will make people mad,worthless,spineless,@#cks

Oregon Mall Shooting Stopped By Licensed Gun Carrier

http://www.dailypaul.com/266471/oregon-mall-shooting-stopped-by-licensed-gun-carrier

A Mathematical Approach to What Causes Gun Murder in America

http://www.revolutionbox.org/Thread-A-Mathematical-Approach-to-What-Causes-Gun-Murder-in-America

Exerpt:

As you can see, Canada has a higher rate of ownership of guns and more total guns than England, and yet has a LOWER gun owner murder rate than England! That means it isn't guns that are the factor making England murder more. So why is Canada so low, while England is nearly double that? Why is the USA more than 10 times higher than England?
All of this is adjusted for population and total guns in society...so what is the factor making us so much more prone to murder (even if it is a tiny threat overall to life) here in the USA?

THE DRUG WAR.

In England they have a drug war, but they do not focus on possession. Meanwhile we lock up nonviolent criminals at the almost the exact same rate as violent ones in America. Canada has legal marijuana in some areas, and has for years, and takes a very relaxed attitude toward drug use in general (although they have laws which are largely unenforced).

Just like during the Prohibition of alcohol, murder rates have soared under the Drug War. So has our incarcerations and incarceration rates...we now lock up more people in total than any other country in the world (yes, even the vastly more populated China and India)! That's total and per capita! "Land of the Free"? Think again. "Land of the prisoner" is more accurate. We arrested more than 800,000 people last year for just marijuana! 86% of those arrests were for small amounts; simple possession charges. It's not only tyrannical, it's a waste of resources which fuels a black market run by criminal sociopaths, and takes resources away from fighting actual violent crime like theft, property damage, assault, rape, child abuse, and murder.

This War on Drugs (and personal adult freedom) has given us the street gang phenomenon on the scales we see today. Chicago alone has dozens of separate drug gangs. They also have a high murder rate to go along with super-strict gun control in comparison to other cities...because guns aren't the problem, the Drug War is. Many of their gangs can trace their roots to either the beginning of Prohibition, or the beginning of the modern Drug War.

In Honduras where gun murders are most common and horribly frequent, they have gun rights...but they also have a country which is a main thoroughfaire for the illegal drug trade. By comparison, Uruguay has almost the same gun ownership rates as the USA and the same gun rights as well, yet they have a lower gun murder rate because they have no war on drugs. In fact, their govt is seriously considering selling marijuana to its citizens to get the drug trade completely above-board!

If you want our rate of murder to decrease via guns you don't take away guns, you end the Drug War. If you have any doubts about this go look at the murder rates after alcohol Prohibition began, and then after it ended. Also look at countries that have already ended their Drug Wars.

Crime rates in Prohibition rose immediately 78%, 24% in just one year from 1920-1921 (the first year)

http://library.thinkquest.org/04oct/0049...e_Rate.htm

The murder rate was cut in nearly half (40% decline), from 10 per 100,000 to 6 per 100,000 when Prohibition ended. This was directly caused by the repeal of Prohibition in 1933.

http://www.cato.org/publications/policy-...as-failure

If we want to half our gun murders, legalize drugs. If you want to further bring it down address the next major cause; domestic violence. Spanking children leads to many issues surrounding violence, but especially domestic violence. If domestic violence is how you raise children, then expect them to use it themselves as adults. A small number of those people will kill a domestic relative or partner. The gun simply facilitates it.

The final point I'll make is that if only .026% of gun owners murder someone with a gun, then 99.974% of gun owners don't kill someone with a gun. It's hard to argue we need to punish the 99.974% for what the .026% do. That kind of illogic is used in schools to punish classrooms full of kids for what one anonymous child has done...and it leads to bullying, because children then ostracize their peers who are guilty (and they don't know how to ostracize responsibly, so it ends up in bullying). We should use a more logical approach on adults. In a nation of 315 million people, with a Drug War raging and domestic violence against kids being the norm, a 99.974% responsible gun owner rate is unbelievably good. Perspective, instead of irrational fear and knee-jerk reaction, is what helps here.

It is impossible to eliminate all of these tragedies, but if it is the total gun murder rate you want to address, the problem isn't guns...it's the Prohibition of drugs. These mass shootings are vast minority of the problem (we average only about 20 per year, which is not a huge chunk of the 13,000 gun murders we had this past year 2012). I'm not belittling the dead or the suffering families' pain...but 13,000 deaths in a population of 315 million is a tiny number. The flu kills 33,000 Americans annually, for perspective.

Adam Lanza, LWNJ, they are what needs to be restricted and regulated.

Although larger issues that need to be addressed include mental illness and violence in society,

Just about the time enough of the story comes together that one can infer some things that would make some kind of sick, perverted sense, the story changes again and the new details released put us right back to square one where none of it seems to make any sense anymore!

These recent incidents over the past days, where the perpetrator seems to have little to no connection with the people he has wounded and killed nor the place he chose to do it does make me wonder if perhaps the underlying cause is some sort of Satanism or demon worship tied to the rubbish about the world ending on December 21st. If someone has an idea where they want to be in the hereafter and it isn't exactly a Utopian place, they may be motivated to 'buy' their way into hell by performing the most horrific and evil act they can contrive before killing themselves in an attempt to ensure they get to where they think they're going before the world has a chance to end on them, first. That seems to be the only thing that would make any real sense in some of these mass killings of late.

PROPOSAL: GPS - buried deep enough within the manufacture of guns as to risk destruction of the 'toy' if the owner tried to pried it out - and web publication and alert to all neighborhoods where the nut owner lives to forewarn citizens on crazies in their mist. ALSO, to trigger alarms when said 'toys' are within given set miles of schools.

Trust me when I tell you it just don't work that way!

Now, I've dabbled with developing a way that much of what you suggest becomes a reality, in the form of security features that were part of what *should* be the ultimate home security firearm. I won't describe it in much detail, but the idea was that it was a home defense tool meant for the average (read that: novice) citizen who desired to keep a gun for such use but just did not have the desire to do everything that one really should do to keep a traditional firearm for that purpose, which involves a lot of education, skill development, and diligence. This weapon would be part of a local system that would be purchased by a municipality and the weapons would be leased to customers for a fixed period of time at a monthly or annual rate. The gun was a very large, heavy device (as far as guns go), and was to be closed in a transit chest at all times excepting an actual emergency. Opening the chest would trigger an alarm to notify law enforcement that a lesee had a situation where they were retrieving the weapon. Out of the chest, the gun was a sealed unit, mostly disposable in nature with a unit cost of less than $100. It would be mostly plastic with artificial weight incorporated to neutralize almost all recoil, to make it usable as a bludgeon, and to make it undesirable for conversion to any other use. The proprietary ammunition sealed within was to be large slugs of an odd size with an effective range of up to about 50' or so, as this was intended to be used within a house. A very long, heavy pull of the multistage trigger would not only fire one slug, it would first activate a bright light that would illuminate the area that the muzzle was pointed in and then snap a photo from a rudimentary digital camera - sort of a 'gun camera', if you will - of where the gun was pointed at the time of trigger pull. An digital audio recorder built into the gun would activate as soon as the gun was removed from its transit chest. At the end of the year lease, or in the case the gun was used, it would be exchanged for a different one. Unused, it would be inspected and serviced (new batteries, resealed, etc.) A used one would contain the vast majority of the evidence needed to process the scene of a home defense shooting. Part of the system was a 'trainer' version that wasn't sealed but that the lessee could take familiarization training with at a range under the supervision of a trainer. This was a gun for people who otherwise don't use them, or for owners of regular firearms who wouldn't ever want to use them for this purpose and have to surrender them as evidence in case they ever had to shoot a home invader.

In any normal firearm as we know them, there just isn't any way electronic gadgetry would survive long. Heat, cold, severe mechanical shock, strong solvents, and other things make for a very harsh environment for electronics. Guns also tend to be around for a very long time - most of mine are approaching or long passed the century mark! Battery powered electronics, sitting in wait, largely unused, are good for how long? Believe me, the gun would typically be completely viable and perfectly usable long, long after the electronics have failed. The steel and aluminum in most firearms also does a pretty fair job of blocking radio signals, including GPS, providing there could even be enough room in a typical gun to tuck them away. I can think of no practical way in which any electronic gadgets could be placed in a firearm where they could not be removed or circumvented. A great many things have been 'tamperproofed' through the years, and there is almost always a way for people in the know to work around it.

Sorry! A guy can always dream, though.

Hydraulic shock can kill. If a bullet hits a bone it may shatter, becoming an instant shotgun round.

Secondary projectiles tend to be an issue with any bullet striking the human body at a velocity faster than about 1600 fps. That is just above top handgun velocities and at the very bottom end of centerfire rifle speeds, though a couple of the really hot .22 rimfire loads will get that fast.

As far as hydraulic shock goes, the human body is a closed vessel containing fluids (both liquid and gas). Anything striking it at a high rate of speed, especially penetrating it, is definitely going to have a major impact on the fluids held within.

Or it may ricochet off in another direction. There was one instance I know of where someone was hit in the shoulder and the bullet turned 90 degrees and exited out the hip.

Believe it or not, one of the worst offenders for this is actually the little .22 rimfire cartridge. The small, slow bullet will very often hit a bone, deflect, and then scoot along before lodging or exiting somewhere else. Naturally, it can cause a lot of damage along the way. This, and the fact that a lot of people have always considered the .22 to be somewhat of a 'plaything' and not a real firearm, have caused a whole lot of problems for a whole lot of people through the decades.

What a mess. This needs to end.

Amen to that.

deerslayer, That's right. The murderers on death row have rights,we cannot execute them. Yet if you are a law abiding person and own the same weapon they recklessly used,you are a piece of $hit! And you surely need your weapon forfeited! We will take your weapon in order to keep you safe and leave you at the mercy of the murderers who will get the weapon,in this case,no matter what! The Second Amendment be damned here sayeth the Liberal. Things have been twisted to fit modern times since the Constitution was written. Particularly the separation between Church and State,AKA," One Nation Under God" yet people complain about and remove the image of baby Jesus in a Manger displayed publically. I don't care,let them forsake my God,I know what's in my heart. But ask the Liberal's this, what was so important to the founding fathers of our nation to make,"The right to bear arms ",second on the list?

g0ne4n0w

The parents wanted to know, there's your answer.

WRONG!! Any parent worth their salt would not want this broadcast across the media. I would not find any solace in having Jane Doe/Joe Blow know how many times my child was hit. I would not need a world to grieve with me, I would want the world to stay out of my personal business.

More than likely, everybody and their Momma's, including the media, Hollywood, and some parents are going to milk this for all it has, can't wait to see the families fighting when the movie writers/directors/financiers start coming around with their check books.

It makes not difference the type of weapon used, they are to easy to obtain, and to easy to fall into the wrong hands. I fill out more paper work and have to have my licence renewed every year for owning two dogs and a cat. Owning a weapon takes less time, less paper work and once you have it no one cares. Gun owners are not responsible, God fearing people.. so put that to rest. Nothing will bring these lives back, but laws can be passed today to help make it harder for people that want a weapon. It's the right of people to own weapons, guns, but hold people that make them, sell them and buy them accountable for their weapons 24/7. All the gun wackos giving ballistics's, man you guy's are are on the wrong page. If congress wrote a Bill today, requiring all gun owners to pay a yearly fee, plus be held accountable even if the weapon is stolen, people might keep them locked away, or better yet not want one. My heart goes out to the family's, and my tears won't stop for the children, and I will write to who ever it takes to get stricter gun control.. You live in America, so why do you need to carry, or even own a weapon ? Because it's the country you made for others, for profit.

@ Bunny10 mostly but for all the anti-gun folks as well.

Bunny how many exactly guns are too many? Did you have some arbitary number that *you* deem appropriate? Just like all the libs that want to tax us all to death the same question keeps being asked and they wont give an answer for exactly how much out of each dollar should I get to keep after they've taxed my a$$ off. For you and all the anti gun folks is it the fork that makes you fat or the mirror that makes you ugly or the test that makes you stupid?

Hello folks, as you have heard a million times, guns don't kill people, idiots pulling the trigger kill people. If you eliminate our 2nd amendment constitutional right only criminals/government will have guns. I had a close loved one shot to death and the murderer was legally banned from having weapons and that didn't stop him from getting a gun. I would still rather face the dangers then lose my civil rights.

"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote."

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither safety nor liberty."

Benjamin Franklin

I think that this animal's picture should be kept out of MSN and Yahoo. No one wants to see his stupid face. He should not even be referred to as a human being, much less "a person suffering from mental issues". No sympathy here for that coward, poor excuse of a human being.

Here's a fact for you Silverton: Crime rate has increased in Great Britain ever since they banned guns.

Another fact: In Switzerland, every able-bodied male 18 years or older is LEGALLY REQUIRED to own a FULLY AUTOMATIC ASSAULT RIFLE. And even though almost every Swiss male owns a full-auto assault rifle, Switzerland has one of the lowest crime rates in the world.

Even Satan is sickened by this thing that shot all these kids and is unleashing his worst demons upon him in Hell....where his torture will go on for eternity.....

Meanwhile...Jesus is showing the children their new Golden Classroom and explaining to Principal Dawn why Heaven's newest Angels are there.

God has them. The kids are alright.

Gun Control, is it really the answer? Or is it treating the symptom
and not disease? More people die in car accidents in the US than are killed by
guns. However, I do not see the same emphasis
being placed on going back to using horses. Or, perhaps we should? No.. I didn’t think so…

No one seems to understand why this and other senseless tragedies like this keep occurring in our society here in the US, the “Greatest” country in the world. Oh, by the way, we should no longer look down our collective noses at “third world countries” in the same light anymore. Since we appear to have the same trait of senselessly taking innocent lives, be it children or adults for no apparently real reason... At least the “third world countries” has genocide as their excuse..

So, what is the disease? My answer to the answer is basically simple; we (Meaning the majority in the US today) have excused God out of government, schools, homes, society and it appears we are preparing to cancel his visa and have him deported back to heaven.

The atheists and the ACLU (Have gone too far) would have you believe that we (The human race) can set our own morals and determine what is right and what is wrong. On the surface this may sound good, if you have a lot of money, love, friends, support system, and what appears to be the “Good life?

However, what about the other (Majority) people who live from day to day on whatever they can, and do not have a lot of money, love, friends, support system and no hope of being able to change their situation,
and then we take away God as well?

Let’s look at this even closer… Without God and eternal life; who are you to decide what is right and wrong or good and evil for me?

Secondly, what difference does it make anyway? Since, we are just a “freak” of nature that appeared on an insignificant planet, in insignificant Solar System, inside of an insignificant Galaxy, in an uncaring, unconcerned, hostile universe that is dying.

In case you are wondering, this means that there is no hope for anyone… Just hopelessness… That’s correct, your money, power and influence will be meaningless to the Universe..

Understandably, the learned doctors and others so called experts will have a mirrored of other reasons for what is occurring; along with the reason why those evil guns that load themselves with bullets and then go on a killing rampage!! Seriously???

But take this into consideration as another option; if we stop the deportation proceedings against God, and we have the internal fortitude to return to him and seek his face, God will heal and save the “Greatest
Country in the World”

2
Chronicles 7:14

if My people who are called by My name will humble themselves, and pray and seek My face, and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin and heal their
land.

Otherwise… The Disease...

People who say 'Don't take our guns away from citizens, cause criminals will be able to find guns anyways' just need to take a look at Canada and the UK, where guns are banned. I never hear of any school shootings happening over there, despite citizens not being able to protect themselves.

Has no one else noticed the change in what guns he is supposed to have used. For two days we were told he used two handguns to commit his atrocities but now the powers that be are saying he used a rifle. To change the story so drasticaly is saying the police in Conn. are totaly incompetent because they do not know the difference in a rifle and a handgun. I find that hard to believe so must come to the conclusion that someone wants to demonize the rifle at the expense of truth.

assault rifles as sold in the US are an every day rifle that cosmetically appears like a military issue rifle... the idea that people have that an 'assault rifle' is any more dangerous than grandads hunting rifle is seriously in error... people who are anti gun and want an Assault Weapon ban as in the past are asking for the wrong thing. The previous assault weapon ban made zero impact on gun violence and homicides.

so if gun control is put forward, it should concentrate on things like maximum magazine size, very rigorous background checks esp with regard to mental health, laws that allow for the seizure of weapons from people who are unstable... things like that...

if you are anti gun and you say 'ban assault weapons'... you are doing your cause an injustice by not understanding the facts about gun types.... then the people who are knowledgeable that you must convince dismiss you.... if you guys knee jerk into saying stuff you don't understand, you"ll get very watered down legislation.... just like the previous ban

This does not surprise me. We Americans kill thousands overseas using war, and when we grow this war and blood thirsty culture and it turns and bites us in the ass we all cry like its a national tragedy, but we don't bat an eye when we have killed thousands of other peoples children.

This mother was a gun enthusiast who taught her mentally-impaired son how to use assault weapons. If ever there was an oil/water mix, there it was.

People who say 'Don't take our guns away from citizens, cause criminals will be able to find guns anyways' just need to take a look at Canada and the UK, where guns are banned. I never hear of any school shootings happening over there, despite citizens not being able to protect themselves.

And I did look at them in my analysis above, that you failed to read. England has more gun murders but has far less guns than Canada. So now what? What causes that? Clearly it's not the guns.

It's the Drug War that causes over 50% of our gun murders. Mass shootings only happen about 20 times a year...that's like 1% of gun murder deaths. Meanwhile the rest of our about 13,000 gun murders this year were drug Prohibition's fault, domestic violence's fault, etc.

Adddress the actual mathematical cause, the Drug War, and stop being so irrational and illogical.

I can only wonder how long we're going to keep this discussion going. How long we are going to celebrate this in the morbid ways that we do as a country...

...and then keep asking ourselves OH WHY DO THESE PEOPLE DO THIS - TO GIVE THEMSELVES ATTENTION!?

We celebrate these tragedies now more than we do happy, upbeat events.

We have an anniversary for Columbine.

We have an anniversary for 9/11.

We have an anniversary for the Virginia Tech Shooting.

We have an anniversary for JFK's assassination.

We have an anniversary for dozens of tragedies in this country.

And, we'll have an anniversary to remember this tragedy, too. And the shooter's name will be recalled and discussed every year, like the other criminals we have anniversaries for...

...and then we mull over everything as a nation, on each one of these gloomy, sad events, and wonder why two-thirds of Americans are depressed and/or medicated for depression, and why these "people" do such horrific things to get attention...

...gee, maybe because they know they will get a LOT of attention, and they will get memorialized every year in this morbid, negatively-fascinated country of ours.

Kristy_Ishikawa: Even Satan is sickened by this thing...

holy moley. You BuyBull people, and your mind-numbing, foolish, brainwashed application of Cult Nonsense and the "will of your whacko mythical cult creatures" to every damm thing that happens in this country... When will people realize that the ignorant, mythical religious mindset is a big part of what is wrong with this country!

Multiple thumbs-up, David; heroism is sometimes more than charging an enemy. Sometimes it's looking closely at what others (myself included) could not bear to see...

Yes, let us not forget this good doctor in the middle of all the bickering. And get the poor man a stiff drink and a soft pillow to cry on tonight.

Few of us ever fully recover from witnessing horror of this magnitude. The first responders will almost certainly be scarred for life. How many victims did this monster really create?

I'm deeply sadden of this tragedy shooting of this kids, God bless them.

Probably almost as bad as when we drop thousands of tons of bombs in iraq, libya, afghanistan. Oh wait those are muslim children..

Amen

The State Police has assigned an officer to each family to make sure that no one bothers them, and the head of the State Police begged reporters not to even try. I wouldn't be surprised if other neighbors also help create barricades for zones of safety for the families.

Yes. Keep the victims hidden away...never shall their names or identities be known to the general public. It makes it so much easier to forget, as a nation, within a week that these "unfortunate things" occurred.

/Sarcasm.

@Tampa - think dsmedct was referring to respect the privacy of the families but media is out sell and it appears we do forget because if we really cared gun laws would have changed a long, long, long , long time ago....thats the truth...

bottom-line: we wanna remember...lets do more....lets bring change

@kamanda, yes that is what I meant, respect the family members, I wouldn't want some reporter banging on my door asking me stupid questions, let these families have there time to grieve.

I lived in Denver when the Columbine shooting happened. Not only were the names released, some media idiots sued to have the detailed autopsy reports released so they could report the grisly details of each wound the victims suffered. It was sick.

There names should not only be released but these victims should be memorialized by all Americans. It's not Adam Lanza's photo that we should see. We need to remember these innocent souls.

Just about everyone who knows a kid or teacher who lives in CT has been making phone calls. Releasing the list of victims after the families have been notified puts everyone else's mind at ease.

On second thought, perhaps that's poor wording. Nobody's mind is at ease. But you understand what I'm saying.

Linda from PA - exactly. We need to remember. Their names and faces should be shown every time expanded gun control comes up for a vote.

Sniffle those phone calls have already gone out. The parents of those children already knew who they were. This was no great secret to them. All this is going to do is to add to the unwanted calls that these parents are going to receive. This did not need to be released to the general public. If this was a rape victim their name would never been released. The same should apply in this case.

david1159 - We did not find out until this afternoon that my daughter's best friend had been killed. She was a new teacher who had just been hired this school year. I want EVERYONE to remember HER name, not the piece of @!$%# that killed her!

david1159 - Sniffle was simply meaning for the acquaintances benefit. Most of the phone lines surrounding the CT area have been tied up since yesterday morning. I have family in New Jersey and could not get through to them until about 3 pm today. I understand both sides of this argument, but the fact of the matter stands that friends and family outside the immediate area may have not been informed yet and this is a fast and effective way to make sure they are all informed.

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sorry david1159, but as painful as it is, there are a lot of people that need to know. As well meaning as you think you are, you're in the vast minority.

This is what my belief is regarding the names. The names of the adults should be released. The ages of the children can and should be released. The name and phone number of dedicated line to the police department or other government agency should be released given for those needing to find out what the names children are. I realize that there are those out there that this list help. I ask you how many of the parents of these children will now be receiving unwanted calls because of this list.

The names of the Children and their ages and Adults have been posted

Let the names be known so that they will be each honored. Here we are, nearing the Christmas season, and these children will no longer be there with their families. We need to keep them in our hearts and ensure that we do everything legally possible to hopefully end this from happening again. In the mean time, we should also ask the media to leave the families alone, and that others do not disturb them in their sorrow that we share with them.

Dancer;

Although your intentions are good, I feel the identies should be kept unpublished. Let the Families come forward when they are ready. All of these families are probably looking through Christmas presents that their children will never see. I can't imagine the pain they are going through right now.

Since the names have already been published, that is rather a moot point now. Essentially, my comment was more directed toward keeping the school where it is and open. As for keeping to the privacy of the families goes without question. The media needs to keep away from the families. As a parent myself, I do not need to know everything these parents feel, I am already feeling that in a different way perhaps, but it's there. In fact, this will probably be my last note on anything about this. I am already angered over some of the folks who rant back and forth about various issues surrounding this.

Fair enough, and yes I read the same rants and arguments over & over. All rants with no suggestions for resolution. I have 4 grandchildren in school in PA, and this scares the hell out of me.

Good luck & God Bless.

The schools are targets because they are defenseless. We need school marshals the same as we need sky marshals and this will stop.These assailants are only attracted to easy victims who can't fight back.

"...easy victims" yes, and very easy access to firearms. Whether that's buying them, or the stupid a-holes who leave their guns within easy reach of anybody. Wouldn't need "school marshals" if we lived in society without the gun mentality that produces 10,000+ gun deaths a year. (The UK trying desperately to catch up with us at 8 per year.)

I can't imagine taking on this responsibility as a college student. I'd have gone bonkers having this as a first assignment.

A coroner's job was a profession I almost considered in my life. It takes a lot of integrity and courage, and as always a strong stomach to do this kind of job. Unfortunately, I didn't meet one requirement for such a job-- ability to carry at least 150 lbs. according to one job requirement in my area. The thought to do an autopsy on a young child probably takes as much guts and courage as any soldier in any war. This medical examiner has such tough job on his hands.

There is a certain segment of our society that loves guns more than we love our children,

This is a lie.

Prove it.

There is always segment that loves something more than children and this group is no different than the rest. There are many on the liberal side of viewpoint that spend a great deal of time showing that they are more important than any child.

I hold the 2nd amendment to very sacred, just like every other amendment and the rest of the Constitution. They have a name for people like me - American.

I only wish I could disagree with you. Unfortunatetly, I am familiar with a few devote christians who are also staunch supporters of the second ammendment. I would love to find a way to present your point to them. I suspect their response would revolve around self defense, hunting, and/or over-throwing a tranyical government, all of which are addressed (to a greater or lesser degree) in the Bible.

But here's the thing I can't reconcile ... Where in the Bible does it address HOW? Does ANYONE really think the Bible was written with an eye towards the kinds of problems we're dealing with today? Do the Ten Commandments say "Thou Shalt not Kill." (period) or do they make provisions for the kinds of violent mass murder/suicides we've been seeing more and more?

As an MSNBC talk-show host said ... 20 kids were STABBED in China on the same day 20 kids were shot in Connecticut. 20 kids died of MULTIPLE GUNSHOT SOUNDS in Connecticut ... NONE of the kids in China died. None of them!!!

Say what you will ... crazy people will do crazy things ... If he hadn't done it with a gun, he'd have found som other way, if ... if ... if. But, IF he hadn't had EASY access to an ASSAULT Rifle there would have been at least 20 fewer dead children today.

ALL of the amendments should be sacred. They protect YOU and they protect me, and one of those freedoms is the right to bear arms. Take away that right, and other freedoms, and you have a slave society. Is that what you want? Think about what you say. Yes, we are AMERICAN and proud of it - as you should be.

So, ctviking, with your "sacred" view of the 2nd Amendment, which militia do YOU belong to?

As a Christian, Veteran, prior law enforcement officer, and gun owner who supports the 2nd amendment right of individuals, I have to respectfully disagree with Lala Funnies 2:

I find that raising the notion that people who support retaining the 2nd amendment hold it with more regard the Bible, during a time such as this, quite revolting, and irrelevant to the topic at hand.

To say that such a segment loves guns more than children is akin to saying that Christians love using rocks to murder children, since the Bible's Old Testament says to do just that with disobedient ones. Both are 1) out of context and 2) inconsiderate given the recent event.

the 2nd amendment was written to cover muskets, not machine guns, gun nuts are morons pure and simple

Informed,

I do not belong to any militia, nor do I own a gun or have any plans to own a gun. But I have the luxury of feeling safe in my home. Many others do not. And while right now it seems like the necessity of the citizens needing to band together with their guns to protect themselves from a foreign invader is remote, things may change and that day may come.

. They have a name for people like me -

I am going with :'Gun obsessed whack job'

Michael,

After thoroughly reading the second amendment I didn't see the word musket anywhere. Nor did I see machine guns mentioned. It does not say the right of the people to keep and bear muskets, not machine guns, shall not be infringed. If you do not like the second amendment, fight to have it amended. Until then, respect it. Because what if we all pick and choose which parts of the Constitution we like and only abide by those parts?

@ informedVoter5 #8.7

So, ctviking, with your "sacred" view of the 2nd Amendment, which militia do YOU belong to?

Not really that informed are you?

2008: Because the Idiots who can't read the Constitution down at the SCOTUS held that the Second Amendment to the United States Constitution protects an individual's right to possess a firearm for traditionally lawful purposes, such as self-defense within the home, in federal enclaves.

2010: The Supreme Court held Monday that Americans have the right to own a gun for self-defense anywhere they live, By a 5-4 vote, the justices cast doubt on handgun bans in the Chicago area,.

But hey they said the ACA was Constitutional too, if it was tax. But Obama said no new taxes, so the ACA must not be a tax.

@ Michael-857

the 2nd amendment was written to cover muskets, not machine guns, gun nuts are morons pure and simple

Because the same 224 year old parchment still applies to Movies, Television, Internet... but those things weren't invented yet, the Founding Fathers only meant printing presses, fliers and podiums. ... cell phones, you don't have the right to privacy there, the airways are public, and subject to public scrutiny....

Those of you who decry the poster's statement by claiming the sacredness of the Constitution only prove the point: Doesn't your own "sacred" Bible command "you shall not put any other gods before me"?

Zealots idolize zealously.

@ wartybliggens

I am an Atheist, so you must not be talking to me.

No one loves guns more than their kids, what an idiotic statement.

From what I've read - this state is one of five that has the most restrictive gun ownership laws in the country and that didn't help. I think this should be approached from a different set of circumstances - it is the individual who commits the crime and from what I've seen - it's always a mentally ill individual who (in spite of gun registration, ownership rules, etc) finds some way to get hold of a gun and take out his sickness on innocent victims. Funny thing is that no matter how sick these individuals are - many lawmakers say afterwards that these killiing sprees are meticulously planned - so they can't be that out of their mind that they can't think straight enough to plan in advance. Why then don't we take into account that many of the mentally ill are not sane enough to take their medications to keep these demons at bay and to prevent occurences like this one - have a hotline whereby familes can alert authorities and have these individuals committed rather than live with the guilt afterwards that they should have done something sooner. I think there are more sick people than we want to believe and this kind of thing will continue to happen (regardless of the weaponry) until we address this glaring fact. I'm tired of hearing the sick excuses afterward that this person was mentally ill thereby leaving them off the hook.

rodney725 so the parents that have murdered their own children loved them? It has happened.

Yesterday, a man unlawfully discharged a weapon at an elementary school, unlawfully taking the lives of 20 children and 6 adults.

It's apparent laws can't always save lives. More laws, more general answers to a specific problem, do not solve the problem. Yet people feel helpless and want something done, some form of justice instituted, something to stop it from ever happening again. That's natural. But this is always a slippery slope. Nearly every act of tyranny begins here, with something like this, leaving people emotionally raw and willing to accept anything if only to feel as if some form of justice has been served, that they and their children will be safe from now on.

Americans have owned guns for hundreds of years, and we've managed to remain somewhat civilized with that sort of freedom and power. So tell me, what has changed?

Ah, the slippery slope con. That is why I dropped out of the NRA and have advocated a ban on all assault type weapons for over 20 years.

I dont think we need to ban guns, we need to make sure the states we live in keep people in mental hospitals(although the state claims they dont have the room or the funds to do so) BULL CRAP take the money from places we are wasting it like on trials on people like this monster!!! Or keep th monster behind bars and never parole them. Guns have their places and in some cases have proved to save lives. I myself have guns in my home BUT they arent assesable to anyone! Wanna own a gun be smart about it cause yes in the wrong hands can be a danger!! I mean think about it yes guns can kill but theres alot that kill so ban those too! It so sad what happen to these babies! My prayers go out to each mother,father,brother,sister,etc and the poor doctor who examined the limp bodies of those dear preious gifts from God!

Only someone with deep seeded issues would ever make the comment that Americans love guns more than children. That is just demented.

But then some might argue about the abuse, ugliness, and death children are subjected to daily in our society. And this is done by people who are supposed to love and protect them. AND it is NOT guns they use.

Where is the outrage now?

Apparently, it is more important for some men (and a few women too) to experience what appears to be an almost sexual arousal by their guns than for children to be safe. The American obsession with guns is sick, disgusting and, as we have seen a lot of recently, deadly!

Do the Ten Commandments say "Thou Shalt not Kill."

No they do not they say "thou shalt not kill unjustly (commit murder). When the Bible was first translated into English "to kill" meant the same thing as "to murder" does today. The word "slay" meant the same thing as "kill" does today.

Nancy Lanza might be considered an example of your assertion. A gun aficionado with 4 weapons in a home that were apparently accessible to her son - a son known to have long-standing mental health issues. One wonders why these weapons weren't secured to prohibit access, or removed from the home altogether.

41 years & counting, I agree 100%. It will be hard enough to send their children back to any school but I would have to transfer my child to another school instead of sending them back to that school. I wouldn't surprised if it doesn't end up being burned down. The best thing for all would be to demolish it so they can heal and not have a constant reminder every day.

I agree 100%, I could never send my child back to the school after what happened. I lost my Mother in July, she was 84 and I can't even drive by the hospital where she died without crying, can you imagine what these poor families will go through.

Are you going to payto replace it.

Do not do this. Keep the school where it is and show that it is possible to overcome adversity of the situation. I believe to move the school would dishonor the memory of those who lost their lives. What greater memorial could these people have than a school memorializing them, and showing strength.

The guns did not push him to this...

The gun did not whisper in his ear, "Kill these people."

Really? Maybe Canada should put more money into education than they do their miserable excuse for a healthcare system.

The gun did not whisper in his ear, "Kill these people."

You're right, he whispered that TO the gun.

What does your post have to do with the topic at hand. But since you can't help being ignorant, I'll enlighten you. Our health care system is amazing. We all get the care we need when we need it without having to remortgage our houses. Maybe you all should really study it. At least you finally have a presisent with some brains who is trying to save you all from yourselves. I'm sure your a republican, right?? so obvious down there. Hopefully your party disappears forever..

gone4now.....canada certainly has a much better education system than america.......its world class really....

Meanwhile, in China, 22 kids were slashed at school by a guy with a knife. I guess we should melt all of the knives down, too. And cars....cars kill more people than knives. So melt down all of the cars.

Humans are sick, twisted, moronic creatures. They will ALWAYS find things to kill themselves and each other with. Guns aren't the problem; people are.

My point exactly. Whatever was doing the whispering wouldn't have been able to commit this devastation had guns not been so accessable..

thankful to be canadian......I must say im not really sold on the get rid of guns thing......Im a democrate(actually ex canadian) but im dont really believe the guns are completely the problam......I really think this is inevitable with the amount of people here.....theres just too many people which gives a greater percent of nuts.......somthing is definately wrong....!

The sad reality is not gun control. It is the pure evil in some people. If not guns, then it would be knives. Or homemade bombs. Or poisoned tylenol. You get the point. When somone is evil, they will find any means to accomplish what they desire.

Fricking sad reality.

If I thought it would put an end to these senseless killings I would gladly give up my guns. It will not. We live in a sick society.

Covered Bridge Cyclery

Meanwhile, in China, 22 kids were slashed at school by a guy with a knife

Not one died, several didn't even go to the hospital. Nice try though.

since people will always do bad things, let's not do anything. good plan.

GUN CONTROL is way overdue!!!! How many more kids have to be killed before the government takes action against the NRA? Its all about rich people making a profit selling more and more guns to crazy people! Its all about making money...don't you see this people? Where is the common sense here? This stuff happens weekly now. Let's be more like Canada!!!!!

Hey Mothra16, I agree it's not as easy as doing away with all the guns. It's just ridiculous nature that there are so many Americans who think they need guns. Guns serve one purpose and that is to kill. Nevermind the amendments, what about the commandments..

But I also agree, population growth in the States is insane. Mental illness is also insane, pardon the pun! Not really sure what we should be doing with these people. I mean, the problem with medication is that we cannot always trust it to work nor can we be sure those people will take it as directed. Maybe we lock all psycopaths up and just monitor them in a secure setting.. I would rather that than hear about stories like this or the maniac up here in Manitoba who didn't take his meds and heard voices telling him to decapitate a young man and eat his head.. Just sick!

denise7 If I wanted to be like canada, I would live there.

msgt51.. Not so fast. Unlike your border between Mexico, you cannot just walk over here and live. You have to offer something to the economy before we allow new residents and it cannot be ignorance.. Better you just stay where you are.

williamofwrong

"Not one died, several didn't even go to the hospital. Nice try though"

If the victims were 6 year olds there might have been a different outcome.

Your comments are as stupid as the guy who said there is no sq root of odd numbers.

Your comments are as stupid as the guy who said there is no sq root of odd numbers

Actually I said "negative numbers" which is still true.

Reading comprehension not your strong suit either I see.

@denise 7

If we wanted to be more like Canada we would move to Canada and have a place called Quebec thats trying to leave Canada. I really am sorry to hurt your feelings but guns didnt kill these folks, a bizarre @!$%# did. You can blame the tool that he used but the tool is an inanimate object with no feelings or desires much like the fork that you use to stuff your fat face with. Dont blame the fork, blame the person with no self control using the fork.

People stuffing their faces with forks so don't blame the fork? Typical RW crap excuse that is completely unrelated to this issue so you can defend it as usual. STFU already with this lame tired old garbage. GUNS DID kill these poor children and every OTHER DAMN person in these mass "SHOOTINGS" That is why they're called SHOOTINGS you lame brain conservative fascist f---ks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I own a gun and support the 2nd Amendment but YOU nutjobs have BASTARDIZED it into something warped, sick and perverted so we have become a country of killers with weapons NO CIVILAN has business OWNING and they need to BE BANNED ONCE AND FOR ALL!!!

2ndamendmentliberal, your mindset is an example of the sick, vile thoughts that are at the root of evil. And to think that what happened in CT is so trivial to you that you put it in political terms is both disgusting and all too common.

I wondered about that myself,every other account I've read said that they found the rifle in the car he was driving.

There's been a ton of misinformation. I had read yesterday that the children were lined up and shot execution style

There were four weapons, including a "long rifle" that was found in the car. He was carrying the .223 and two handguns, but it seems as though he used the .223 rifle (which is a semi-automatic) to do the bulk of the shooting, then turned one of the handguns on himself.

Oh, ok.

@Ryan, know what a rifle is made for, I got eight in the military and still counting. Just wasn't sure if he had started with the rifle and returned to the car and retrieve the two hands guns to finish the job.

Most want to ban semi-automatic rifles and not hand guns. Thus we change the "truth" to it was a rifle that killed all the children. Just make up the politically expedient news as needed.

It appears the killer went for the staff first so they couldn't call the police.Then he took out the teacher, then the students. That way he had more time. As was mentioned concerning the Principal who had just recently updated the school's new security system, so the killer had to shoot out a window next to the locked door he couldn't get through.

She heard the shooting as she left a meeting, heading towards him with the school's psychologist. She was killed trying to lunge at him. The comment was made by the lead investigator, the staff had trained for just such a scenario and did everything right, but things went all wrong. Also, the rifle was found outside, not in the car. Just more confusing information. He also had four guns, not three as was reported earlier according to a more updated report.

i was wondering that myself since every news report, on every channel, local or not, stated the shooter had 2 hand guns and a rifle which was found in the shooters car so does that mean he had more than 1 rifle?

One exception...James Holmes, the Aurora theater shooter did not commit suicide.

If you hide all the guns, make it impossible for anyone to get them, will that cure the ills of this Nation?

No, Lazaro, and I wasn't suggesting such a thing. We have something like 20 guns ourselves, but they are legally purchased weapons, with all the documentation (or were gifts), and their only use is for hunting. (And they are kept locked up, and unloaded, with the ammo elsewhere, and also locked up.)

They are also not capable of killing 26 people in two minutes, as semi-automatic pistols and rifles are. THOSE are the ones that should be outlawed.

If you hide all the guns, make it impossible for anyone to get them, will that cure the ills of this Nation?

Not all the ills. Just the mass shootings. In fact, all of the shootings, even the one-off variety. Sounds like a good plan, to me.

And this is the statement of someone who owns but knows nothing about guns. Just because it has a cyclic rate of 600 rounds per minute does not mean it will fire that many. You have to stop and eject the magazine and put a fresh one in. That gives a school safety officer or teacher time to put a round or two in the little bastards head. If somone in the office had a weapon as he forced his way in they could have taken him down. You put a cop, safety officer, or other trained person in the office. They see someone coming with a vest and assault rifle come to the door they have someone call 911 as they are taking shots at the scumbag's head.

And you do know that I could take my bolt action remington 788, buy extra mags, and put out a min of 21 rounds in under a minute. Or a .357 double action wheel gun and a couple speed loaders and do about the same. I no longer hunt as killing animals for sport is no fun for me. But I like to target shoot. And my shotgun is loaded at all times. A locked up gun with ammo locked away in a separate location is uselss if someone wants to break in and harm me. I might as well just take them on with the Bowie knife concealed on the headboard or the tanto in the arm of the loveseat. More messy an has that personal touch but a gun makes sure it's not their word against mine. I take on someone who breaks into my home I will make damn sure they're dead when they go out.

Bravo! From 8 mile rd in Detroit!

@Informed

You own 20 guns? Who needs 20 guns? You must be some kind twisted, sicko, gun nut.

Some one who enjoys shooting! Like you may enjoy Bowling.

@ Shesafatone

Relax. I was just being sarcastic.

What do you guys think about 'smart guns'?

There are some that have proposed 'smart guns' which would incorporate RFID, fingerprint recognition, or magnetic ring technology. The gun would only function for the registered owner or owners.

Something like this would prevent someone from stealing other people's guns & using them. Or a bad guy getting the upper hand during a struggle & taking the good guy's gun away & then using it on the good guy.

But the technology would need to be 100% reliable. It wouldn't be any good if you needed to use your gun in a self defense situation & the damn thing didn't fire because it didn't recognize you as the owner.

Smart guns would help, except for the fact of, how do you get rid of the 270,000,000 guns which are now in existance in the US? I'm not a gun nut, but there is no way to rid the US of guns. We have to go in another direction for safety. Unfortunately, I don't know what that direction is at the moment.

I do. First, the government requires companies selling body armor to go through an FBI check like the ones required for buying a gun. Currently there is no requirement and anyone buying body armor is considering being in a firefight. Maybe defensive, but possibly offensive. Consider making video games such as CoD, DOOM or HALO having an 18 year old requirement to buy. Thereby, limiting the influence on young kids. My favorite is to reinstitute the US military draft. The military will find people with violent tendencies and either put it to good use or drill it out of them. They are the only entity that has a chance at stopping kids from doing stupid things like this shooter did. They will find them. They may use them because those tendencies have a use in a combat environment, but isn't it worth it? Truth be told peeps like to ban things they don't value. But they don't want to put forth the effort.

Does anyone recall the Oklahoma City Tragedy? Claimed 168 lives. I read the paragraphs about how we need to ban this and ban that. Most sound like these folks make up the facts as they go along. How about the tragedies that take place all over the World. Suicide bombers that take 150 lives, road side bombers that take the lives and maim our soldiers. Start using common sense folks. These people are mentally ill. They will use whatever means necessary to carry out their heinous acts. We need to look at why someone in a Family with obvious Mental Illness doesn't get the help they need. Why they may not be taking their meds. Why they aren't being kept in protective custody. Look at the funding that has been cut from every program the last 20 years. I've done a lot of research and won't point the fingers at one Party or another, but their is a Political Party notorious for cutting the funding to much needed Social Programs. We all cry about our taxes, but we all cry even harder when a tragedy of this magnitude takes place.

Two rifles; one he took in, the other he left in the car. FOUR weapons, including two handguns, one of which it appears he killed himself with.

Reading: it's fundamental.

For all you snarky people insulting those asking questions:

"There was also conflicting information about what type of weapons Lanza had.

At one point, law enforcement officials told NBC News that Lanza had four handguns while he stalked the halls of Sandy Hook, but that could not be confirmed. It appears he carried at least two 9mm handguns, in addition to the rifle, which was the primary weapon."

Nowhere does it say that there were two rifles and two handguns.

Reading IS fundamental.

some sicko will surely have cell phone pictures for sale and some dirtbag news outlet will publish them or autopsy pictures will appear from an un-named source..the sickness will be glorified under the mantle of the 1st ammendment. And no one will beat the crap out of them for doing it.

I'm sure the children screaming in agony as their bodies were torn would beg to differ. I've seen a child shot before, right in front of my eyes, I will never forget it. There is no gentle hand covering them, there is no beauty they are witnessing. Just sheer terror and pain. Say what you want to make yourself feel better, but the horror of these tragedies shouldn't be couched in pretty words.

lakegenevawi - you live in la la land.

keep your religion to yourself

What kind of drug are you using? Even the Bible says that God allows Satan to rule this earth. How else can it be so messed up.

Pumbaa171

That's easy. People live on the earth. Our history is full of tragedy. It has nothing to do with superstitious nonsense.

Hey Guys, lakegenevawi is dealing with this in his/her own way.

How about we lighten up a bit?

Not sure if anyone wants to 'lighten up' given the tragedy that has occurred.

It is fine that lakegenevawi is dealing with it in his/her own way. But one should expect that when they leave a comment on the vine, it is open to reply. There is no guarantee that it will go unchallenged.

Such is the internet.

You must remember it's the same media that had the shooters name wrong much of yesterday and shoved microphones and cameras into the faces of anyone who would stand still long enough, even the children. Remember the facts won't hold them back if they think they can scoop thier competition.

ABC News lowering the bar? Where - just above the Earth's core?

Because that is what the autopsy proved idiot! You know the one performed by the Medical examiner.

case closed!

FOUR weapons, including two rifles.

Nobody bothered to just pick up the empty cases from the crime scene? Anyone can tell the difference between a 9 mm pistol case and a longer .223 rifle case.

Onereally.............why don't you just stay off the computer until this is over. Insulting folks who just asked a simple question, in this very tough time does nothing positive. You should ba ashamed of yourself, as should those seven people who voted that up.

What do you mean by assault weapon???

I have a ruger 10/22 semi automatic 22 caliber rifle. They make 5, 10, 20, 30, and 50 round magazines for it...would you consider that an assault weapon.

A lever action will fire almost as fast as a semi-auto and bolt actions too.

would you limit honest folks to single shot shotguns...in the hands of a trained person a single shot shotgun and be reloaded pretty darn fast and can hit multiply targets each shot....

in a school, theater, or close quarters, I would rather face a person with a .223 ar -15 then somebody with a 12 gauge and buck shot

Need has nothing to do with anything! Why does anyone need a Lexus, Mercedes, or Corvette when a cheap Chevy will transport them. Why should executives get multimillion dollar salaries? They don't need them. Let them live in government housing projects in South Chicago. Do you think the teacher bought the rifle for herself or for her son who was prohibited from owning it? I doubt most female school teachers have much interest in target shooting with a semi-automatic rifle.

Sure there is. When Iran, Russia, N.Korea, vampires, aliens, starving neighbors after the rapture, invade, the weekend warriors will be ready. And, when proud AMERICANS who let wall street crooks, lobbyists, Monsanto, big pharma, bankers, the job creators, walk all over them, need to overthrow a corrupt government.

We have very strict gun laws, registration, background checks, etc.

And we almost never have mass shootings.

Dec. 6, 1989: Marc Lepine, 25, bursts into Montreal's Ecole Polytechnique college, shooting at women he encounters, killing nine and then himself.

Exactly. It's been 23 years, not 2 in 10 days.

Canada gun laws are actaully rather tame compared to the rest of the world. Its a difference in culture.

That would be the effect, not the cause.

Please read. FOUR weapons, including two handguns. One rifle used to on the murdered victims, another rifle left in the car.

The truth is whatever will ban the most guns, they hope.

At the time I am posting, it does NOT say there were four weapons, does NOT say there were two rifles, two handguns.

"There was also conflicting information about what type of weapons Lanza had.

t one point, law enforcement officials told NBC News that Lanza had four handguns while he stalked the halls of Sandy Hook, but that could not be confirmed. It appears he carried at least two 9mm handguns, in addition to the rifle, which was the primary weapon."

As Informed Voter stated above, there were 4 total weapons, 2 handguns, 2 rifles, one rifle he carried in with him, the other he left in the car.

The media also said the shooters name was Ryan not Adam.

The media also said all three weapons were owned by his mother..there were four at the scene and two more at the house..total of six weapons owned by the mother.

Never believe stories right away..needs time to be proven (even if from police officals)..the media doesn't care though!

Nowhere in this article does it say there were two rifles.

Did you read the article? It explains this is graphic detail - stop being lazy.

Another rifle was found with him, besides those in the car.

And again, perhaps if someone on school grounds had been armed instead of being a "gun free zone", this kid wouldn't have made it through the door. You can see how much good this "gun free zone" did. The only person armed was the one that didn't bother to adhere to the signage. Huh, imagine that.

Tony--you think the principal would have been able to stop this guy were she to have a gun?

Are you serious?

Different circumstances but someone posted this story earlier.

John-3295642

Public schools need to stop having a policy of zero tolerance on firearms on campus. It just leaves a target rich enviroment. When a madman goes berserk with deadly force, often the only thing to stop that madman is to use deadly force against that individual. On October 1, 1997 at Pearl Highschool, there was another highschool shooting. However the shooter (Luke Woodham) was stopped when the assistant principal (Joel Myrick), retrieved a .45 handgun from his vehicle and confronted the shooter. The price of freedom is eternal vigilance.

They never wanted weapons on planes..but after planes flying into skyscrapers, they not only added more sky marshalls..they also gave the pilot a gun for the cockpit.

Might as well assign someone a gun on school grounds.

I believe hiring a armed security guard for any school is well worth it.

The republicans constantly cut the budgets for education and teachers. Don't expect them to change.

These children were shot multiple times by an assault rifle That is from the coroners report.