Quarter horse him? What the heck is that?

its people like you the reason why this keeps happening, criticizing people in a negative way and deeming them as outcast

read the story, they tried to stop him from entering the school. How do you stop a guy who has three guns ?

It's now obvious that this guy was a macadamian from the get-go, and yet no one, not his parents (his now dead mother "pushing" him to "do better"), not his teachers, not anyone doing anything about it. His mother, according to the story, had been called to his school because he had melt-downs, and yet nothing was done about it. Schools need to be more proactive when dealing with Planter's like him. Of course, under the law, they can't. And then people wonder why nightmarish tragedies like this happen.

liam-1161783

read the story, they tried to stop him from entering the school. How do you stop a guy who has three guns ? Liam - with a gun............

Lots of people look like lunatics in retrospect. How many of them look like people you see every day beforehand? You have no way of knowing which of the many people who fit a violent profile will actually commit violence. I would hazard a guess that it's a very small number, but there are always those psychics who seem to think, "They should have known."

Liam,

If gun ownership and availability causes this how come my state, Maine doesn't have this happen every week? Maine has one of the highest per captia gun ownership rates in the nation but has less than 20 murders per year. There are 8 guns for every man, woman and child in Maine but we don't have this @!$%# happen. How come? I thought guns and their easy availability causes this.

way more people are killed nationally by drunk drivers than are killed by guns. Why don't we ban cars?

PEOPLE KILL PEOPLE NOT GUNS!

He didn't just walk in the school. The doors were locked at that point. News reports say he shot himself in via the window next to the school door he was at.

liam-1161783

The Civilized World cannot understand why Americans put up for all the easy gun ownership regulations in our blood soaked nation...

America has one hell of a problem, and I am sick of it.

Blood soaked nation? Are you for f'ing real? It's safer in Afghanistan? Man, you are truly delusional. Personally I'd like to see some proof of what you claim. I think people like you, and all the other judgmental dick's are the problem.

Jerry-1903677 seems to be one of the few who post on here that has a mind that reasons.

Doc; Its an ancient execution method. You hook a horse to each of his limbs and then whip the horses. Got the picture?

liam...stats and links please.

There's lots of other countries that are right up your alley Liam if you don't approve of the US. Take a flight before you piss yourself...

You know, I've been doing a little reading... statistics can be offerd from both sides regarding gun control. In the end, I want to know why our society needs assault rifles and why it can't be a little more difficult to buy a gun. Why the hell did this woman need all those guns in a SAFE city??? Gun culture, this one is on you... Sorry, truth hurts.

Liam, over the last 20 year, 13,000 persons a year nationally die because of drunk driving. LETS BAN CARS AND BOOZE!

and i'll provide a link

My God, cars and booze are NOT designed to KILL. How stupid are you conservatives???

Hey Liam, if you painted this kids face green he would look like Lurches son. He was mentally ill and nobody locked him up because of people like you..............

You gun nuts just don't care do you? You do not care at all. And Seven, people like this are either hidden away and protected (the wealthy) or denied mental health care because of people like YOU!

Doc; Its an ancient execution method. You hook a horse to each of his limbs and then whip the horses. Got the picture?

That's called being drawn and quartered. Quarter horses are a type of race horse.

Safer in Afghanistan?That's news to me.I will remember that next time i go out for a walk in the countryside.The one big advantage we have in Afghanistan is that when someone starts shooting we can shoot back.There is one sticky little fact over here for your consideration.Taliban have a tendency to attack lightly defended targets and avoid those that shoot back..just sayin.

According to the FBI and CDC... your federal government... here are the real stats of the Big Ten killers in America each year

Tobacco 529,000, Unintentional Injuries 195,000, Alcohol Abuse 104,400, Car Accidents 34, 485, Unintentional Poisoning 31,758, Drug Abuse 25,500, Unintentional Falls 24,792, Non-firearm Homocides 16,799 and Firearm Homocides 11,493.

The FBI says the #1 weapon used in violent crime is a baseball bat. A-Rod should look out then because bats need to be outlawed

StopTheLiesNOW, yet another screaming spud that has to type in bold. Truth? You wouldn't know truth if it kicked you in the nuts. (assuming you have any, which I doubt) You're the type statistics are made from...people who become victims because they aren't prepared. You could be killed by a rock, or by a well placed punch. Now start trying to outlaw rocks and fists. I just don't get the sheeple mentality.

Sorry, truth hurts.

stop the lies now,

What a presumptious B you are. I live in Maine, was raised in Michigan by a third gereration teamster and voted twice for President Obama. How does that make me conservative?

Would you be happier if they had been shot by a .223 caliber (same as the bushmaster) ranch rifle like this one? www.youtube.com/watch?v=oxMsbdAm7pg

now i understand a little more why this pos went into a school full of small children instead of shooting up a high school. he was a coward plain and simple! he knew if he went into a school with kids bigger than him he mite have been taken down and made to stand trial for this disgusting act. im tore on wether or not him killing himself was the right thing to do because hearing about his phobias it would be nice to know he is suffering somewhere for a little while before they put the needle in his arm!...on 2nd thought, no im glad he is dead.. rot in hell you piece of $ h i t !!

I don't bother to read mindless comments from people who have nothing to say other than - insults. If this is you, don't talk (or write) because you are ignored. LOL

See, I present and ARGUMENT that you have not refuted and are not cognisantly capable of refuting. If you weren't a sad and thoughtless little individual you would realize this. Congrats on your accomplishments this day.

Each and every day I pray for a better world were gun nuts and haters and live somewhere on their own...

Why don't we have mental institutions anymore? Bring back insane asylums!

stop the lies now,

I like how you have to resort to calling people morons when they don't agree with you.

I live in Maine which has one of the highest gun ownership rates in the country. President Obama carried this state with 60% of the vote, we have two democratic congress reps, one democratic senator and one very moderate republican senator. How are we your so called conservatives?

See my above post, Maine is armed to the teeth but has less than 20 murders a year.

People kill people not guns

Jeanette, they are all over. When I live in NC there was a big one in Morganton. I think the courts are afraid to commit people because of the cost to the State.

Big Duke, we get your point. Your starting to sound like a parrot...........

BigDuke...According to official statistics, Maine is 26th in legal gun ownership. The national average is 10.2 gun deaths per 100,000. Maine is 7.6 per hundred thousand. Slightly lower than average, but people are still dying. Quite a few southern states, who have more guns per capita than most other states, dominate the top ten.

Drinking and driving is illegal beyond a very low tolerance level. Likewise, owning guns should be illegal beyond a reasonable tolerance level (documented need to own, mental health screening, longer wait time, etc...). Guns kill more efficiently and rapidly than other easily accessible weapons, therefore guns DO kill. In China on the same day as Newtown, 22 kids were attacked by a man with a knife. The difference between that and Newtown? All the kids survived in China. More people die in our country every year with guns, then all the American fatalities during the entire Iraq war. You don't see a problem when a war zone is more safe than our own homes, schools, and workplaces?

Thing is, I own a gun. But, the thing is, I can pass a background check and wait for my gun in the most restrictive state in the country. Why are gun nuts AFRAID of this??? Probably because half of these losers couldn't pass a background check...

bigduke, again, i don't read posts from trash, but i bet you're one of these LOSERS, huh? LOL. Yep. I'm sure of it.

From the small amount of information about Lanza, he kind of sounds like he might have Aspergers Syndrome, a mild for of autism. The willful separating himself off from his peers, his high IQ, his mother having to "rescue" him and him ""shutting down" when he had problems. Don't get me wrong Aspergers Syndrome in no way meant he was going to do these heinous acts. I'm only saying that when authorities and acquaintances spoke of him having mental problems it might have been Aspergers.

In any event, I am so very sorry for the atrocities committed on these innocent children and I really hope we don't have another "copy cat" waiting in the wings.

fusion,

Don't bother with Duke's kind. I guarantee he will not listen to anything RATIONAL. He's a gun nut and probably wants more kids to DIE for his sick and twisted cause.

Again, congrats to all you gun nut freaks. Here's a thought, why couldn't it have been HIS kids today?

The reason that we don't have them is that they were inhumane warehouses for the mentally ill. The only thing is that when, in our great enlightenment, they were done away with nothing was done but to put these people out on the streets until they did something bad enough to put them into prisons or they are murdered, commit suicide, or die from the lack of care.

All we have done is change the place where we do nothing for the severely mentally ill. Why? Because too many idiots think that these people are just losers who have no use and don't deserve to be cared for. That it's somehow the mentally ill's fault that they are the way that they are. It's probably less their fault than a diabetic becoming diabetic or a person developing high blood pressure, or developing lung cancer. No one says that these people don't deserve care but the mentally ill, lock them up and give them food and water through the bar. Just as long as we don't have to look at it.

Stop the lies now,

Assault rifle is a term coined by the media for any gun that looks scary or resembles a military type weapon. These weapons are semi automatic (which means you have to pull the trigger once for each bullet fired), not machine guns (automatic). Machine guns were banned in the 30's (By the way you could buy a thompson machine gun. The ones the gangsters used during prohabition in the Sears and Roebuck catalog in the 20's). In order to own a machine gun you need a FFL from the ATF and these are not cheap.

I am sick and tired of this bull @!$%# from gun crazy Americans "People kill people, not guns". The mother of this crazy piece of @!$%# owned four guns including a rifle nad she was rightly paid for it. She also trained her crazy piece of garbage (her son) at a shooting range how to shoot and kill poeple. And her whole village paid for her nonsensical stupidity. Instead of raising a loving son she was raising a crazy monster that went berserk.

RIP all the departed souls... my thoughts and prayers for all the victims and their families...

you can tell this kid was an idiot on his facebook page he listed himself as an anarchist and communist, wtf, lol. I'm guessing he was trying to be ironic, but failed miserably.

I can also see how ppl will start to label generally quiet and shy ppl like myself as killers, don't bye into these stereotypes.

You can throw whatever gun stats you want out, but until you break down each of those murders, I do believe if I can remember the stats off the top of my head that a majority of those murders by gun are drug related. This kind of thing happens the least often but is the most publicized.

I do think this is gonna start happening more, we as a country have lost our moral compass and I'm not talking that religious crap either. There is just some things as a human being you do and do not do. Our kids do whatever they like have no discipline, our schools are now more of a baby sitting ring than institutions of learning. Our kids are spoiled they have no clue what hardship is. Kids are living with their parents later and later in life, jeez I wonder where we are going wrong, the last 2 generations are a bunch of spinless pu--ies. We say we are free yet ppl are restricted on just about everything they should be able to do. While I don't give a rats a-- about religion why can't students pray if they wish isn't that part of our freedom of speech? That is just one example I'm sure ppl could add many more.

We've lost our backbone as a society and we pretty much let criminals run rampant over the innocent, while I hate the gov't and it's restrictions, citizens need to start taking more actions to protect themselves and their neighbors.

The difference Jay is that your top causes of death are not deranged people TRYING to kill innocents. If someone wants to kill themselves with a cigarette, fine, but killing an innocent group with a gun is different and something we can stop. Sure, baseball bats might be used to attack people too, but a guy with a baseball bat is not going to kill 20 people all at once.

Fusion, where did you get your facts from? maine has just under one million people. According to your stats we should have 76 guns murders per year but have less than 20 per year.

Woodysr...but it isn't called quarter horsing, it's called being drawn and quartered.

The guns were purchased legally. HOWEVER, the young man had obvious instability issues prior to this, and those weapons should have been secured and locked away from his reach. Our nation has become angry, confrontational, selfish, self-entitled and enamored with violence. You cannot assume that everyone has common sense and self control. Because of that, sensible controls should be in place.

1. There are still mental institutions. Most were closed due to budget shortfalls and problems with oversight, and other reasons, during the Reagan administration. Patients were sent back to their communities, but no extra funding for set-ups, housing, etc. was allotted. (Like the "No Child Left Behind," the closures were unfunded mandates.)

2. People were getting sent there and forgotten. When the one in my state closed, there were people who had spent most of their lives in bed, even though they could walk. No therapy, as they were labeled "vegetables," and little was done for them.

3. People were getting sent there for terrible reasons, and without court orders. I know of a woman who was sent to one by her mom, because she couldn't read by the time she was a teen-ager. Dyslexia, perhaps? Anyway, she was abused and raped, and who's going to believe a crazy if she talks?

Our rampages this past decade make the Wild Wild West appear tame. Gun control treats the symptoms of a violence obsessed and entertained society. Sure control would ease the possibilities of mass murder, but it's a dressing on an infected social wound. Our love of violence, to be entertained and consumed by it. #1 teen and college past-time is gaming and most games, virtual or XBox are about killing. Most popular Hollywood films now are Action with bloody kills and Horror, then there's America's obsession with brain-injury inducing football.

So, I'll wager what today's mass shooters dressed in para-military garb, armed to the teeth have in common: their own avatar in one or more virtual video games they play with other avatars controlled by other humans some where on the planet and some how get reality and their gaming mixed up -the mentally compromised anyway, doing their killing in a faux social kinda fugue state...up all night, sleep deprived, no contact with humans that's in the flesh, lack of sunshine, and from the looks of Lanza's photos he appears too consumed with some addiction to even be bothered to eat.

Go to Best Buy or Wal Mart or Blockbuster and see what's for sale for gaming: Killing, whether it's your elementary school age kid doing Disney's Pirates of the Caribbean with avatars more curvy than Barbie or muscular than a Navy Seal to kill, or how about the all time great seller Grand Theft Auto I, II, III, IV, V..., Star Wars killing avatars. Social isolation mixed with addictive kill games, that's what our mass shooters have in common along with unfulfilled, disconnected social lives.

my bad fusion and stop the lies,

Maine had 26 murders last year and we have 1,300,000 people. we should have had almost 100 murders acording to the numbers you posted. Don't let facts get in the way of your argument.

Cornel, the murder rate has dropped over the last 20 years (that was before video games)

And I like to post links for my facts...you should too

And why i'm somewhat upset is that everytime something like this happens. People who feel the need to push their values on others and have a agenda use these tragedys to move their personnel agenda forward

Somewhere along in the last four years there were significant changes that led to what has happened Friday morning," Novia said.

Adam Lanza's parents divorced within the last four years. This was a significant change in Adam's life.

the national murder rate is half what it was two decade ago. How did video games and TV casue more murders

Many people are posting here about more guns, less guns. Guns don't kill people, people with guns kill people. From all reports this kid had some real problems, why wasn't he helped, why was there no intervention. I have three daughters and a wife that are school teachers, all elementary. My wife works as a student services coordinator, her main job is to find help for kids with problems of any sort, they have in the school setting. This kid went to school in Sandy Hook for 12 or 13 years, why did he not receive any school services, if his problems were so easy to see? Elementary school is where children learn to socialize and to be social. This is where we should act to help eliminate these mental health issues in these children before it comes to some pissed off kid with a gun looking for some kind of payback.

bigduke 6 you are about as nutty as 200 pounds of squrriel manure.gonna have to call BS on all your comments dawg!this ain't got nothing to do with with being liberal,conservative, or none of that political propaganda,this is what happens when some of you space cases make that irratonal arguement"cars kill more people than guns " do argument.heard about anybody rammin' their toyota into a school and killing over 20 kids lately you jackass.he could have waited until after school and just ran over everybody right? except that aint what happened.

His mom bought the weapons legally. His mom bought the weapons for protection. And how did THAT work out for her? If this case is any indication of how buying guns for protection makes a person safer, then I think these gun nuts need to rethink their position.

Doc; Its an ancient execution method. You hook a horse to each of his limbs and then whip the horses. Got the picture?

Thanks for the explanation, Woodysr. I was aware of that torture, but not as referenced by "quarter horsing". I've got the picture, as gruesome as it is.

You know, it would be far more helpful if people would stop making the overly defensive and irrational comparisons of guns to cars and booze, and started discussing related factors; such as the way we as a society treat mentally ill and our morbid fascination with guns and violence.

His mom didn't lock up those guns. How did she not know?

What a waste.

This state has some of the strictest gun control laws on the books and he still snapped and shot people. Since they noted his instability long ago-why didn't they intervene and get him the psychiatric help he needed? More gun control would not have helped in this case.

Hello again DocJT, I am not "morbidly" fascinated with guns. I do however enjoy shooting my old .45 1911A1 pistols. Not real accurate. Not real hard hitting. But They are a fun target pistol. Most of the young crowd buy the Glock Block. I like old guns. Made of steel. Mentally Ill... Who judges them as mentally ill? Do they have recourse. Do they have rights. Why not just execute them? Why not have the Big Pharma drug them? Into comatose immobility? We have freedoms in America. It is not without danger and risk.

Oh yeah, By the way, I was raised in Virginia, Albemarle county. I have fed more horses, rode more horses than most. I am sure I can recognise a quarter horse, a Tennessee walker, a Belgian draft or a hinny. In fact, I have plowed a garden with a Jack. The gentle giant he was. In times past, People adjudged as guilty of some crime were harnessed to four horses, one limb to each horse and rendered asunder! Four horses = quarter horsing.

all you people, so reactionary and so willing to judge. Did you know that Adam's father, Peter Lanza, the VP of taxes at GE Capital and partner at Ernst & Young, was preparing to testify in front of the senate banking committee about the LIBOR scandal. Same situation with Dr. Robert Holmes and his son James, who allegedly perpetrated the Aurora, Colorado theater shooting right before Robert could testify and name the names of those who stole the $9.7 trillion of TARP monies and $15 trillion total and he was going to expose exactly whose bank accounts those monies were in because he is the FICO employee who created the software to detect that kind of fraud and trace its electronic trail. For those of you who don't know, GE Capital is affiliated with JP Morgan-Chase and both are under investigation as part of the LIBOR scandal. The main ones who stand to lose are the Federal Reserve Bank (you know, the same establishment that assassinated JFK right after he signed Executive order #11110 which was intended to nationalize our banking system) It is not remarkable that none of this is in the MSM because GE owns a greater portion of the media outlets in the US. The Ernst & Young connection includes Adam's older brother, Ryan, who works for them but the real connection there is the one between Ernst & Young and Enron and dates back to the time of 9/11/2001 when the WTC was attacked and bldg.7 collapsed as well, because it contained all the documents from Ernst & Young that would have destroyed JP Morgan, GE and quite possibly would have created a domino effect in exposure of fraudulent practices that would have indicted most of the major banking heads and many of our own government officials including the Fed and the Rothschild banking and finance group. And what of the fellow dressed in camouflage who was in the woods near the school whose first words to anybody after the police apprehended him were, "I didn't do it". Was he Adam's controller because I find it hard to accept that a bumbling, social inept young man with no formal weapons training and no real reason to do what he did, would obtain military garb and assault a school that the media claimed his mother worked at but, as it turns out, she was a retired teacher who had taught there years ago and no one at that school even knew who she was. I am curious to hear the story of the fourth individual who allegedly was part of the confrontation at the school with Adam the day before. Something tells me we will never hear from that individual or the camo wearing adult in the woods at the school.

"Four horses = quarter horsing."

Google it, for crying out loud. It's called being (drawn and) quartered and refers to the victim being pulled apart into four pieces, not the number of horses involved, although obviously you'd need four horses to do that.

The drawn part, if you're interested, was when the victim was eviscerated beforehand. He was quartered while still alive.

I feel the mother is "lucky" to have died before it happened. As a responsible gun owner, my gun is stored in a manner where there is NO WAY my daughter or any of her friends can get at it in any way shape or form. They do not know the combo to my safe and its too heavy to be lifted by anyone, including me. SHE SHOULD HAVE DONE THE SAME!!!!!! ITS AS MUCH HER FAULT AS HIS!!!!!

On a differrent note I have been a supporter of gun rights all my life, and still believe in my right to own a gun and always will. HOWEVER, something needs to be done about the constant killing that I read about every day now. Infact in the past 2 days Ive read about 3 shootings, thats more than 1 a day. Thats too frequent( as if once a year is acceptable).

I would gladly give away my right to EASILY aquire a gun if it would bring back even one of those children. The only problem I have is that old argument that making them illegal WILL mean that only criminals will have guns. Right now I can go and get anything that the gov't say I can't have and not have to leave my neighborhood INCLUDING AN AUTOMATIC RIFLE, DRUGS OF ANY FORM, EXPLOSIVES LIKE A HANDGRENADE, AND A PROSTITUTE. ALL ILLEGAL, ALL EASILY OBTAINABLE!

Perhaps the answer is to hold the manufacturer resonsible for the saftey of its product (like they do with almost every other product in america). After we see just ONE successfull lawsuit against the gun company, I guarrantee they will spare no expense in finding a way to manufacture a gun that can only be fired by its lawfull owner. Right now there is no insentive for them to incurr this expense. After one $50,000,000 lawsuit they will perfect this technology.

I_am_the_fox...

We have a squirrel. Another conspiracy nut! What would we do without the entertaining nuts? Fox, you are a capital CN!

Mentally Ill... Who judges them as mentally ill? Do they have recourse. Do they have rights.

Professionals trained, licensed, and qualified to do so. Yes. Yes.

Why not just execute them?

Based on their diagnosis?

Why not have the Big Pharma drug them?

Many are on medications.

Into comatose immobility? We have freedoms in America. It is not without danger and risk.

Autonomy.

I prefer to not be around a lot of people. I don't like crowds. I don't have neighbors and like it that way. I dislike so called civilization in general but i could never harm innocent children. They are the only hope for the future. I can't even pretend to imagine what the parents are going through. Even their soul has to hurt.

He was nervous around people??? Wonder how nervous he is around Lucifer? May he burn in hell!

All too many parents do not take their children's instability to mean they need help. many factors enter into that being like most people do not want you to know they themselves have a problem like Cancer or some other disease. This may be the case in this case. Either the person was wise enough to not display his symptoms enough around his family or they ignored his cry for help so to speak entirely which can happen. Today another person shot up another mall in Calif. So now I guess we are faced with every loose person in America potentially becoming a shooter.

On the matter of gun control. I know the gun lobby is strong and the only way they can get loose laws passed like concealed carry and like laws is to send out their trolls to combat anyone who raises a voice against any bill that would interfere with their selling arms. Tke a look at this sad case. The law in that state worked. This person went to buy a gun a couple of days before the incident. He was REFUSED because of the strict law in That state so the system worked. Gun control is not going to take your guns away and they do work. What we have now is a gun country. Last night on TV they told us in America a country of more that 300 million people we have registered over 300 million firearms to citizens. Now instead of settling a beef real or imagined by punching each other we go get our guns. Watched today an argument on a subway train over a football game that ended in one of the people shooting another one. This idea that we have planted that guns protect us and we can settle anything with a gun has gotten us to this point. How well we react and solve the problem is another thing. The governor of Michigan has on his desk a bill that would now permit guns in of all places schools! Guns in Bars? All so some rich guys can sell you an over priced firearm that 99.9% of the people who own one have no clue on its use and may never learn how to keep it safe or fire it properly. This clowns mother obviously did not keep he weapons safe and why would she need two 15 round smi auto pistols in a sleepy small town like the one she lived in.

Half the comments in this thread have me wondering if many of you don't need to be investigated before you indeed "snap". One thing is for certain... There are a BUNCH of lunatics living within this country. Problem is we don't have enough law enforcement assets to confront this growing epidemic!

DO YOU WACKJOBS EVEN READ THE CRAP YOU POST BEFORE YOU HIT "ENTER"!!! SCARY!!!

COnsiracies

Considering that the odds of repealing the second amendment are zero...

Coupled with that pesky prohibition on retroactive laws...

Guns are here to stay... so... as I and others noted after Columbine...

"Now is the time for security and the option for teachers to carry concealed arms in our schools."

Even if all legal guns were confiscated it would only slightly reduce the need for such security in schools because prohibition of anything does not work and a knife is actually the more stealthy and maybe more effective choice for a massacre.

It would not surprise me if some of you advocated for background checks on purchasers of screwdrivers.

I'll bet when all is said and done you will find a loner who holed up in his room with a screen in front of him like I am using now. By the sounds of it he had an acute anti-social personality and could not socialize normally. Perhaps his intelligence was even a handicap with his emotional make-up. He sounds somewhat like the Batman shooter who was a bit older. Both became more and more reclusive and if you are looking for gratification the internet is just the place to go. There are sites for just about every desire to be found including ways to kill yourself, kill others, link up with "like" minded people and there are nut cases who motivate and befriend loners and then instigate them to act out their contempt and hatred. The internet is becoming more and more an uncontrolable tool.

Blackbird- The basic bottom line is this: He was a coward.

I hope they throw his naked corpse onto the roof of the school, so the crows and other scavengers can pick it apart, until nothing remains of the remains.

Should make it mandatory that all teachers and administrators carry a gun. This would have stopped him and quite possibly might have discouraged him from even attempting this horrible act. I can hear all you bleeders already: "Then the teachers would be committing murders." BS. If teachers wanted to commit murder they would do it. I am just curious. Was this nutjob adopted?

Repeat after me.. "Congress shall enact no laws that infringe on these rights" The Bill of rights was ratified by the orginal 13 states in an effort to ensure that the people of the new United States were protected from excesses of the new national government. Set, Point match

Now that does not mean that Congress can not pass laws that reguallate military assualt rifles in the need to protect the welfare of the nation,. But it can not be the prohibition of public ownership of firearms. rather than disarming the public we should be following the model of Switzerland.

Oregon Mall Shooting Stopped By Licensed Gun Carrier

http://www.dailypaul.com/266471/oregon-mall-shooting-stopped-by-licensed-gun-carrier

A Mathematical Approach to What Causes Gun Murder in America

http://www.revolutionbox.org/Thread-A-Mathematical-Approach-to-What-Causes-Gun-Murder-in-America

Exerpts:

Percentage chance an American gun owner will murder with a gun = .026% (or 26 in every 1,000...that's 974 gun owners in every 1,000 not murdering anyone)

Percentage chance you as an American will be murdered by a gun = .0041% (that's 4.1 in every 1,000...or a tiny threat for the mathematically challenged. You have a better chance at dying of the flu - 33,000 flu deaths per year in the USA)

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I'd point out gun CRIMES (not just murders) in England have soared upward 35% since the gun bans. Criminals used handguns in 46% more crimes, and it was the fourth consecutive year to see a rise...there were more than 2,200 more gun crimes last year, the most since the previous peak in 1993.

Stats show the number of crimes involving handguns have more than doubled since the post-Dunblane massacre, which brought about the ban on the weapons, from 2,636 in 1997-1998 to 5,871.

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The whole story is told in the percentage chance a gun owner will murder with a gun - USA is .026%, Canada is .0012%, and England's is .0022%.

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As you can see, Canada has a higher rate of ownership of guns and more total guns than England, and yet has a LOWER gun owner murder rate than England! That means it isn't guns that are the factor making England murder more. So why is Canada so low, while England is nearly double that? Why is the USA more than 10 times higher than England? All of this is adjusted for population and total guns in society...so what is the factor making us so much more prone to murder (even if it is a tiny threat overall to life) here in the USA?

THE DRUG WAR.

In England they have a drug war, but they do not focus on possession. Meanwhile we lock up nonviolent criminals at the almost the exact same rate as violent ones in America. Canada has legal marijuana in some areas, and has for years, and takes a very relaxed attitude toward drug use in general (although they have laws which are largely unenforced).

Just like during the Prohibition of alcohol, murder rates have soared under the Drug War. So has our incarcerations and incarceration rates...we now lock up more people in total than any other country in the world (yes, even the vastly more populated China and India)! That's total and per capita! "Land of the Free"? Think again. "Land of the prisoner" is more accurate. We arrested more than 800,000 people last year for just marijuana! 86% of those arrests were for small amounts; simple possession charges. It's not only tyrannical, it's a waste of resources which fuels a black market run by criminal sociopaths, and takes resources away from fighting actual violent crime like theft, property damage, assault, rape, child abuse, and murder.

This War on Drugs (and personal adult freedom) has given us the street gang phenomenon on the scales we see today. Chicago alone has dozens of separate drug gangs. They also have a high murder rate to go along with super-strict gun control in comparison to other cities...because guns aren't the problem, the Drug War is. Many of their gangs can trace their roots to either the beginning of Prohibition, or the beginning of the modern Drug War.

In Honduras where gun murders are most common and horribly frequent, they have gun rights...but they also have a country which is a main thoroughfaire for the illegal drug trade. By comparison, Uruguay has almost the same gun ownership rates as the USA and the same gun rights as well, yet they have a lower gun murder rate because they have no war on drugs. In fact, their govt is seriously considering selling marijuana to its citizens to get the drug trade completely above-board!

If you want our rate of murder to decrease via guns you don't take away guns, you end the Drug War. If you have any doubts about this go look at the murder rates after alcohol Prohibition began, and then after it ended. Also look at countries that have already ended their Drug Wars.

Crime rates in Prohibition rose immediately 78%, 24% in just one year from 1920-1921 (the first year)

http://library.thinkquest.org/04oct/0049...e_Rate.htm

The murder rate was cut in nearly half (40% decline), from 10 per 100,000 to 6 per 100,000 when Prohibition ended. This was directly caused by the repeal of Prohibition in 1933.

http://www.cato.org/publications/policy-...as-failure

If we want to half our gun murders, legalize drugs. If you want to further bring it down address the next major cause; domestic violence. Spanking children leads to many issues surrounding violence, but especially domestic violence. If domestic violence is how you raise children, then expect them to use it themselves as adults. A small number of those people will kill a domestic relative or partner. The gun simply facilitates it.

The final point I'll make is that if only .026% of gun owners murder someone with a gun, then 99.974% of gun owners don't kill someone with a gun. It's hard to argue we need to punish the 99.974% for what the .026% do. That kind of illogic is used in schools to punish classrooms full of kids for what one anonymous child has done...and it leads to bullying, because children then ostracize their peers who are guilty (and they don't know how to ostracize responsibly, so it ends up in bullying). We should use a more logical approach on adults. In a nation of 315 million people, with a Drug War raging and domestic violence against kids being the norm, a 99.974% responsible gun owner rate is unbelievably good. Perspective, instead of irrational fear and knee-jerk reaction, is what helps here.

ProIndividual-3906907,

Very good points you make...

But...

Obama and his minions of worshipers are not that smart and never let the facts stand in their way of taking advantage of a good crisis.

The triggering event is meaningless to the goal of instituting communism and bankrupting and disarming the Republic are necessarily the first two steps to reaching that goal.

Protecting children is not even a thought that would ever occur to Obama... if it was there would already be armed security and teachers would already have the option to arm themselves.

What we need most is a real and actual President of the United States of America but, we just took a "pass" on that one.

IXLR8 - I bet there are some photos of you where you look creepy, too. A single snapshot of someone is not a good way to judge how someone appears in person. Besides, they didn't let him in. He broke in. Read anything about what happened?

My god, we've got psychics on this board. They can tell by looking at someone that they should have been locked up to protect society. Someone was quoted that the kid was nervous around people years ago, and we get a comment that of course he was nervous, with what he planned to do. I don't think he had this planned years ago. He had meltdowns years ago, not apparently violent ones (at least it doesn't say that), but they should have locked him up? You guys are scary. I think some of you are scared because of the lack of control we have over being able to realiably predict who might go off, so you act like you know better. I have not read one person saying they would have ever expected this gut to do this.

Good point Seven - the institutes are run by the state. But you know that government is too big and we should give them less money to do things for society. Really, there are things the govenment spends to much on, and we don't want govenment running our lives, but the government is there to provide some of these services.

I don't see how more gun control laws are going to change anything. We have a ton of them already, and they haven't stopped this kind of thing yet. Guns are inanimate objects, they cannot by themselves shoot anyone. If they weren't available, people like this would simply find another way. People tend to forget that there are other even more destructive means at hand, if one is determined to carry out killings like this.

Pipe bombs leap to mind first, easily made, instructions on how to make them available on the internet and in books, components easily found around the house and at your neighborhood hardware store. Nerve and blistering agents are also easily made from common household ingredients. We cannot ban or control access to all of these things, we simply hold the individual who misuses them responsible for their actions.

What we really seem to need are some psycotic wacko control laws. Keep them under lock and key and a lot of these issues will be solved. There are too many dangerous freaks out there amongst us, they fail to take their meds and we suffer for it.

Barlow - Good questions, and I have one observation for you. When a person has a hard time socializing, that person isn't helped by others, but rather ignored and shunned by society. Other kids tease and mock them, and adults tend to look the other way when the person comes around. A bit counterproductive.

What we need most is a real and actual President of the United States of America but, we just took a "pass" on that one.

We did take a pass indeed...when they nominated Romney over Ron Paul in the Republican Party. Because Romney would have conducted the Drug War just like Obama has, further perpetuating tyranny and high gun murder rates.

I hope you weren't thinking I was a Romney supporter. I'm clearly not an Obama supporter either...but Romney was no better in my eyes.

I thank you for recognizing the logic of my points, BTW.

If we could snap out of this mass national psychosis of RepubliBloods vs DemoCrips, left statist nationalist vs right statist nationalist (as opposed to anti-statist, or at least minarchist, patriots), maybe we could salvage what's left of our country and the American philosophy of liberty. We seemed to give women their overdue rights and gave minorities their very overdue rights, and then took a big swan dive into the deep end of the tyranny pool about everything else ever since.

I'm tired of the false paradigm we're presented everyday...aren't you?

edster - The problem is identifying those people. How can you lock someone up who has never broken a law, or at least nothing more than any of us do (who among drivers has never gone a mile over the speed limit, for instance)? These disorders, if we will agree to use that term here, are a spectrum. Let's say we put it on a scale of 1 to 100. The most "sane" is a 1, you deal with people every day that are, say, a 20, and the person in your office that does his/her job well every day and says hi but not much else but is still "friendly" is a 50, but the other person down the hall who is not as friendly but not aggressive or threatening is a 65. So where do you draw the line? At what number do you lock them up or force meds on them? And do you have a mandatory test for everyone, who tests, how do you score it? Oh, I'm sure everyone will love that govenment intervention in their lives. It sounds like such a great solution, but how do you really make it work?

Bobbygordon,

Well, lets wait and see. If Anything I think you will see this President react in the way of trying to improve the mental health care situation. That is where the real problem lies. But the bottom line is, it is Congress who makes the laws, not the President. I don't see this President as just reacting without thinking and analysis. But you can be sure he will be getting a lot of pressure from some on the left, but not all of us. The real question is going to be how filtered the information he gets is. If he digs into it, I believe he will see mental illness as the bigger issue. I'm pro gun rights, but I'm fine with well thought out regulation. Although some states may be lacking just a bit, for the most part we already have more than adequate regulation. The thing is I don't see any regulations that would have stopped this other than a complete ban and confiscation of all guns. And we're not going there. But then he'd probably have found another method like burning down the school after locking everybody inside. Guys like this are not going to let some laws stop them. He killed almost 30 people, what's an additional posthumous gun charge going to do to him?

And lets be clear because you are obviously clueless on how things work. Things like armed guards in schools is a local and state issue, not one for the Federal government. Frankly, I am almost certain that the President would be completely in favor of schools doing something like hiring retired police officers for security. But some cheap ass red states would probably want to just hire minimum wage security guards if they were forced into it by law, after all most cops are unionized. But regardless, it isn't a Federal issue to decide. This President indeed cares about kids far more than other politicians and has constantly tried to improve education and associated funding while his political opponents would cut out school lunches for the poor!

As much as I agree, this incident should in no way be tied to additional gun regulation, you need to get your head out of where ever it has been and pay attention, quit believing the hype you hear from the right wing pundits. I don't buy the anti-gun stuff spouted by my cohorts on the extreme fringes of the left.

This is about mental illness, not guns. So prove that you aren't mentally impaired by some stereotypical image of the President. Better to just look at his record. You just make responsible gun owners look stupid when you try to make such an argument.

Edster,

I agree. Ten gallons of gasoline and something to secure the doors would be pretty effective too. Some household chemicals in a bucket by the HVAC intakes. The possibilities are endless, it's just that guns are convenient. Where there is a will there's a way. So after we get rid of all the guns, a few years later you'll need a permit to fill up a gas can for your lawnmower.

We completely eliminated the possibility of a passenger bringing a gun on to an aircraft, but the nut jobs just found alternate methods. Box cutters worked, so now you can't carry nail clippers! And now there are shoe and crotch bombs! We've banned guns on commercial flights a long, long time ago, but we didn't eliminate the threat.

Prior to the 70's anyone could buy a gun on-the-spot, no questions asked. As a percentage more homes had guns back then compared to today. Yet mass killing was non-existent. Guns are not the problem. Banning/confiscating every gun will not stop the problem. Liberals are great at passing feel good laws that do $hit to solve problems. The problem is us, our society, and how its changed completely for the worse over the past 50 years. Liberal thought and policies are behind the decline in our society. The "War on Poverty", an abysmal failure by every account, only promotes and enables people to survive off a welfare system that strips away all dignity and work ethic. More gun laws won't do one G.D. thing to stop this problem. Even more stupid would be to hold gun manufacturers liable. Once we go down that road where will it stop? The same logic could be applied to any manufacturer of any product used in a homicide. Do you people even think through this stuff, or are you so convinced of your own intellectual and moral superiority that your ideas are infallible?

A question. If people keep saying that Afghanistan is safer, a place where guns can be easily purchased, than the US, where there are tons of gun control restrictions... doesn't that mean we're less safe with tighter gun control? Also, please keep in mind, ALL OF THESE GUNS ARE STOLEN FROM LAW-ABIDING OWNERS... tighter gun control wouldn't even affect them.

Having tighter gun regulations wouldn't have stopped this tragedy. He didn't buy them, he took them. there are hundreds of millions of guns in the U.S. its a little late to try and keep people from getting them, they are out there. So, how about we come up with an idea that will actually work. I have one idea that will help. So, what if when somebody does something like this, we don't make such a huge spectacle about it, and put the psychos face and name everywhere, and make them an instant celebrity. You know what happens when we do this, we give other psychos the idea that they want to do this too. I am guessing the reason that they decide to kill so many people, is that they want to be remembered, they want to do something that will make them famous, whether they live or not.

So what if we didn't make it a big news item right away. Maybe the county or state can have a story about it a couple days later, and not even mention the name of the person who did it. Then a couple weeks later a little article could be released around the country, maybe a little clip on the news, but after the emotion has worn off. If the people who did these things knew that nobody would even know they did it, their motivation to take people with them would be gone, and they would just shoot themselves in the head and save us all the trouble. Just an idea, what do you think?

Um, hardtostarboard, mass killing in the US was not non-existent before the 1970s.

I'd also like to scoff at the folks saying that this guy was a victim. He was not. He could have gotten help if he wanted to. He made the conscious decision to take the lives of innocent people. He could have taken his own life peacefully, but he decided he'd kill a bunch of others. Why? I don't know, I don't care. No reason is good enough. If you're going to take your own life, draw the curtains closed and do it alone. I don't care if you've snapped, if you're a giggling mess that thinks all the world is evil, if you're really intent on doing the deed, either GET YOURSELF HELP, OR DO IT ALONE.

As a tree hugging liberal, I do agree that guns are not the problem. But the Idea that helping people has hurt society is just foolish. We keep asking the wrong questions, which is why we continue to struggle with the same problems. The first question I have is this. Why does America seem to have more of a problem then other civilized nations? People in Canada have more guns per capita then Americans. This should erase the whole gun issue on the spot.

The real issue is insanity. how are we dealing with this kind of mental problem compared to other nations? Is there a difference in medications used? is there a difference in diagnoses. Are we doing all we can to diagnose properly? Some have suggested that drugs such as ritalin may be playing a part in this. I don't have the answers but we need to start with he right questions. And trying to blame this "social decline" on liberal or neo-con" ideas, is childish at best. I think people on either side with no real thought or answers tend to gravitate to blaming and whining. please stop it.

I do know that people with aspergers syndrome can not feel true joy. when a person with this disorder is in a group and everybody starts laughing, they simulate a laugh that is clearly fake. The description in this article of his behavior is also typical of this class of disorder. It also would seem that he was clinically paranoid. Fortunately the FBI and Secret Service to extensive examination and research in cases like this, on subjects like this. hopefully they will come up with some answers. hopefully, if there is a pharmaceutical link here, the big pharma wont have undue influence and thwart progress for money. I know of a case where an insane teen killed an 11 year old boy here in jersey. the mother spent years trying to have her son committed only to be denied by the courts. simply put, it costs money to keep people in a mental hospital. of course once the murder was committed, then he was.

Bottom line here is: none of us have the answer, we can speculate, and that's about it. please stop this divisive bickering and blaming. The only people who benefit are the guys like rush and the hidden rich who pay them. a house divided, cannot stand.

OK folks, regardless of what side of this issue you are on, lets quit trying to make it a political issue. I am tired of people trying to paint every progressive as anti-gun and I'm equally tired of trying to paint every gun owner as some crazy bible thumping redneck.

Bottom line is we both have extremist views about guns at the extreme fringes of both the left and the right. But the reality is that most of us lie somewhere around the middle either toward the left or the right. We can make guns a personal rights issue, but then you can't turn around and be against rights for women, minorities or gays. Lets get real here. I think the vast majority are supportive of the Second Amendemnt but we may have some differences about what it allows an/or guarantees. The anything goes approach isn't sensible, but neither are restrictions that give criminals an advantage over law abiding citizens.

It should be pretty clear based on the recent SC rulings that we aren't about to eliminate gun ownership in the US. Soat best we're talking about some regulations around the fringes. Personally, I don't see anything that would help in any of the recent incidents that wouldn't have a Constitutional problem associated with it. An if all we do is create some laws around the fringes, they won't be effective.

We can talk about trying to keep guns out of the hands of crazy people, but wouldn't it be better to try to eliminate crazy people in the first place? I'm not talking about locking them up, but instead about treating their illness. Even if we could only help half the people, we'd be better off. That would be more effective than making it illegal for them to obtain guns, because they aren't too likely to worry about the legality of it anyway.

What we need to do is focus on the real issue wich is mental illness. That shouldn't be political, but it could be. The way I see this, if we focus on that, there are two issues that come into play. One is infringing on the personal rights of the mentally ill individual and the other is how do we pay for someone's treatment. Personally, I think the gun lobby should be strongly supporting coming up with funding for this and maybe even suggesting, (hold on to your seat now), that we incorporate it into Obamacare legislation. How about we propose a plan to expand Obamacare to help get treatment for people and suggest we do so in a way that removes the stigma associated with it?

This would be the right thing to do and would ease the political aspects of the arguments that are now forming. Seems to me we could agree that virtually every one of these people has had some mental issues. We can probably agree that we don't really need to be locking these people up because they might be a threat, nor should we really be infringing on their rights unless they have proven that they need severe restrictions. What we really need to do is get these people some professional help.

Is there a left and right side to that issue? I really don't think so. So maybe we could quit massing on what we see as the future battle line and instead work on something that can do some good and that we can probably agree on if we are each willing to give a little bit.

Just imagine how good this could be for our country. We could potentially get Congress working together in a bipartisan fashion. We could find a productive middle ground between the left and the right. And I sincerely believe if we could get some people treated, we could very likely prevent some such future incidents.

Hardtostarboard....

2.86....

"The "War on Poverty", an abysmal failure by every account, only promotes and enables people to survive off a welfare system that strips away all dignity and work ethic"

So your answer to stopping the mass murders with guns is to eliminate the welfare system, healthcare system and any system that helps people who have fallen on hard times? So you think that these people will just say "oh they took away my help, lets just sit here and die"?

I don't understand. What is your solution? Change the culture of america? YEAH THATS FEASABLE AND LIKELY! NOT!!! Again whats your solution?

I have stated over and over again on newsvine that I feel a persons right to own a gun is a right that I want! But something has to be done about 20 CHILDREN MURDERED IN AN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL!!! Tougher gunlaws wont work as this person had no concern for the laws, because he knew they didnt apply to him as he was just gonna take his own life when he was done anyway. If giving up my guns would save even one of those children I would do it in a heartbeat! BUT YOU AND I BOTH KNOW THATS WONT WORK!

Neither is ignoring the story and not letting anyone talk about it as JeCgos suggests.

I am also against banning and confiscating all guns. BUT SOMETHING OTHER THAN WHAT WE ARE DOING HAS GOT TO BE DONE! Even if "changing the culture of america" and eliminating welfare and social programs would stop people from murderring (again I dont see how that works) it would take hundreds of years to implicate without sending half our population into poverty and having no recourse but crime. Maybe if this psycho had been able to qualify for free meds then his mind would have been stable enough to know and feel empathy for the harm he was gonna do.

If you have a real idea on how to stop these sensless murders then please... let us lowly retards know instead of just ranting about welfare. Otherwise it sounds like you are the one who is convinced of your own moral and intellectual superiority.

I do not think gun control works anymore than drug control, alchohol control or any other form of lawful ban that gun control promoters vie for.

We hold car manufacturers liable when their gas tanks explode. Any device that uses a flamable substance has strick federal laws that they must abide by to make them safe for the general public. The laws in this country DO hold almost every other manufacturer responsible for their products safety all the way down to electric heaters.

I do not think holding gun makers responsible for these murders is the answer, but holding them responsible to make their guns less likely to be used by someone other than the person who purchased them is a step in the right direction.

When it was discovered that seatbelts made cars safer we didnt say "well there are so many cars out there without them that requiring seatbelts in the future doesnt make sense" NO we said "well from now on all car that are manufactured from this point on need seatbelts". It worked! (although I hate the seatbelt laws requiring me to wear one).

Again I dont think my suggestion is perfect and will stop all massacres immediately,( I don't think thats possible no matter what we do), but I do think its a step in that direction. Continuing on in the direction we are going is NOT WORKING! I hear about atleast 1 new shooting almost everyday now.

Holding gunmakers liable isnt the cure but it will definetly make them put more money into developing new guns that can only be used by the original owner. They are working on it now but if they lost even one lawsuit we would see this technology inside of a year from the lawsuit date.

I cant believe you blame this event on WELFARE.

Oh yeah, and mass murder did happened before the '70s FYI.

@I-am-the-fox: Very interesting to say the least. I do share your suspicions and it would explain a lot of questions about the how and why’s surrounding this event. To the rest of you yahoo’s posting, perhaps spend some time researching and reading between the lines! You might find a whole different truth!.

1newday,

Come on, logic and well thought out solutions have no place in politics. But really, I think you are right, we need to stop thinking in such extreme black and white partisan terms, and really work together to come up with solutions that really work. If you agree almost 100 percent with your political party, and can not understand the point of view of the other, then you really are not thinking enough. If you think really objectively and rationally, you will see that both parties are very flawed.

onlyyoucanchangethelaws,

making it harder for people who don't own the gun, to use the gun, is actually a really good suggestion. I wasn't saying that we should just ignore the story, I was saying that we shouldn't turn them into spectacles, and turn the perpetrators into instant celebrities. Why don't you think this would help? I'm more than happy to be proven wrong, that is how we learn.

The mother of this killer is just as responsible as he is for what happened.

She knew her son was mentally unstable and yet she still own semi-automatic handguns and assault rifles and taught her son how to use them.

Time to speak out, America.

Ban all automatic and semi-automatic weapons of war.

Don't let the NRA or any of the gun-toting enthusiasts in this forum bully us anymore.

Let’s face it, we live in a very different world nowadays.

Many children are isolated much more from the challenges of society. They are restricted to their homes and don’t learn the social skills it takes to develop a personality. Many kids nowadays don’t look you in the eye when you first introduce yourself, they talk to the ground and it feels like you’re shaking hands with a fish, if they do shake your hand.

Social interaction consists of playing video games. From Mario to violent war games and fantasy dragons and vampires our kids don’t expand their imaginations anymore. When they do participate in any activities they are strictly organized soccer to baseball leagues where no real camaraderie ever develops. Families, if they even exist, are so structured there is no real time to allow the kids to create their own relationships.

The evidence is obvious as we promote kids to exist online, on Facebook, Twitter or texting (sexting). We see the epidemic of bullying continue. Some parents even promote bullying and violence. Hell, we even have some teachers encouraging fights in the classroom. Children can live in fantasy worlds on Facebook and either be victims or antagonists of others. Kids don’t talk on their phones, they text, which makes it even more impersonal. How many things can kids text about every day?

Adam Lanza is the worst type of evil. He was described as very smart, a genius, by some. He was also defined as a loner, an introvert with few real friends. His mother allegedly took him to gun ranges with her to practice shooting. He obviously harbored some serious guilt or anger from some period in his life to unleash such hate on an elementary school. His introversion and possible Asperger’s syndrome are most likely underlying problems that finally consumed him and created the monster that massacred those innocent people.

The parents of Adam seem well educated and aware. How did they not see any warning signs that their one son could have emotional problems? Or, is a parents love sometimes so intense that they are either blind to their own childs problems or willfully ignore them to defend their parenting skills? These are one of hundreds of questions that need to be answered. The biggest problem is, how do we get parents to honestly evaluate their childrens mental health without compromising our own parental ego's? If not, how do we get the professional help to accurately evaluate the children?

I live 2 blocks away from our district middle-school. All summer I never saw any kids playing on the baseball field. When we were kids we would have paid to play on a real well maintained baseball diamond. We had to use pieces of cardboard for the bases and share our gloves as not all of the kids had one. But we played for hours and 6 of us guys and one girl (yes we had a girl on our team, she was the best 3^rd baseman we ever had) are still best friends after 30 years.

Not that this made us unique or better, it just seems kids don’t have the interactive skills with others as they grow up nowadays. You learn about life by living it. As kids we learned to deal with bullying and teasing the old fashioned way. We all got picked on as kids, we dealt with it as well as possible with or without our parents. All our parents had guns. They taught us the importance of safety, none of us ever even considered using them in this fashion.

The problems are many in these situations. We can start by letting kids be kids for at least a little while in their lives instead of either neglecting them to the TV, internet, X-Box, Facebook and iPhone or overwhelming them with an itinerary of activities that ignore being a kid.

Who knows, they may actually like being children.

Bastards like Adam Lanza are the only reason why some times I wish hell was real. May you burn in it for eternity worthless SOB!!!!!

to late now; why on earth did they not get this person mental help; he was a walking time-bomb, by all the reports now coming in he was a very severe mental case; Parents, if you have a child that is showing symptoms of anti-social behavior; get them checked out, find out what it is, and treat it; if all the reports now coming in are true about his behavior, then he was in very serious need of mental health treatment.

Onlyyou... I just visited the bushmaster website. The priced of the AR-15 type weapons offered are around $1300, he had two at the school. I'm not sure how much the handguns went for but a ball park number would be less than a thousand. All told he obtained from his mother, about $4500 in high quality weaponry. We are being told that she was not connected with the school, early reports were erroneous. Later information indicates she was a "weapon enthusiast" for lack of a better word. That means she likely kept her weapons under lock and key but that would have likely only slowed down her son. It is likely he planed this carnage, the evidence being that he tried to buy another weapon in Danbury if that report is true, and that Connecticut law prevented the gun store from selling to him.

The reason for this recap is to think about legislation that would change the growth curve of domestic gun violence. Some policies worked others didn't. As an east coast liberal, I know very little about guns and gun law. The last time I fired a weapon was in the Army in 1965. That was an AR-14 using NATO ammunition, a long range weapon that I enjoyed shooting at targets placed far away. This was before Kennedy was assassinated and Vietnam and the AR-15.

Like I said, I know little about the gun culture that is so prevalent in our country which is why I think that it is up to gun manufacturers like Remington and Bushmaster, the NRA and its members to suggest meaningful policy changes that we non-gun enthusiasts could endorse. It makes little sense to throw up a patchwork of legislation that is full of loopholes that can easily be evaded and does nothing to cut down the carnage that is doing so much damage to our Nation.

Don't let the NRA or any of the gun-toting enthusiasts in this forum bully us anymore.

Bully you? You mean with facts like I presented above that no liberal or conservative has refuted?

The Drug War causes half of our annual gun murders DIRECTLY...mass shoottings on average kill less than 150 people and happen 20 times annually. Drug shootings happen thousands of times a year. You people aren't really interested in ending the Drug War and stopping gun murders...or you'd stop attacking guns, which aren't the direct cause, and go after the actual cause; drug Prohibition.

@getmadstaymad

You can keep posting your drivel but; it appears the Adam Lanza involved in the shooting did not have a Twitter feed or a Facebook account.

http://www.christianpost.com/news/adam-lanza-no-facebook-or-twitter-newtown-connecticut-shooter-described-as-troubled-loner-86708/

Drivel? This was taken off Facebook before they deleted his account.

the word anti-Christ ..means a man who sits as God of the earth...and forgives man sins..

Please, Getmadstaymad. That picture is not the same person as the shooter. *sigh*

Do you think maybe it's possible, just perhaps... that out of the billions of people in the world, at least a few people share the same name.

The link that someone keeps posting for Facebook looks like a phony sight that someone else set up for kicks. Not the real Adam.

You don't either, because there's not one.