Looks like he found/made a loop hole.Perhaps taking him to a local packing house whould be an option.

You do know it cost more because of the entire BS that is involved..... If you are found guilty you need to be taken out back and SHOT..... We now have to spend or tax money to support this SCUM BAG and everyone related to his jail term..... Capital Punishment means nothing unless carried out in a timely manner..... FRY HIS FAT ASS.....

Guns don't kill. Fat people do. Where in the world are we going?

The headline of this article is completely misleading. The commutation of his sentence to life without parole had nothing to do with his weight. Why NBC insists on running these type of misleading headlines is beyond me. I personally think that they should have gone forward with the execution. He executed a woman during the commission of a robbery. It was not a case of her simply getting shot, he put two bullets in the back of her he execution style. Anyone that would do this deserve to be executed themselves. Now this fat load of @!$%# is going to cost the state a fortune housing and feeding him, not to mention paying his medical bills that he will have as he gets older due to health complications from his weight.

I think he's plump enough to butcher.

Ohio governor grants clemency for 'too obese to be executed' killer

B.S. Execute that fat murderer. He did not have mercy on his victim.

Shame on you Governor.

What is WRONG is the machinery of legal BS that has kept this guy on death row since the early 1980's. That sort of legal BS should have a term limit too - say 36 months maximum. That said, if you want to abolish the death penalty in that state - just do it, but don't drag this stuff out for thirty years at taxpayer expense.

"Post, 53, had been scheduled to die Jan. 16 for the 1983 shooting death of Helen Vantz in northern Ohio. The woman worked in an Elyria, Ohio motel Post was robbing, and died after the man shot her twice in the back of the head."

He coldly murdered her execution style so she would not be able to identify him to the police. I wonder how much money he robbed from the motel? Maybe $500? To him, that was worth the life of another human being. To me, someone who could just murder someone in cold blood this way without any remorse, who thinks he shouldn't have to pay for his crime just because he is a big fat lard-azz demands that he be put to death!

The only thing that would make this more (I don't know what word to put here, hilarious, stupid, shameful or maybe disgusting) would be if Post sued the state of Ohio and the Ohio state prison system for allowing him to get so fat. The worst part is, he would probably win and tax payers would be forced to pay him millions of dollars!

Ok it is now diet time! Since he is going to be around for a while, put him on a strict diet for the rest of his days. No need to let him enjoy himself after all prison is a punishment. The state allowed him to get as large as he is. This is the fault of the prison and should be looked into. This piece of dung knew exactly what he was doing as he gained every pound. Even without exercise, if he had eaten a decent diet and not been able to suppliment it with junk food the execution would have gone on as planned. As far as his weight not being the reason for his change, did he already use all of his appeals? If that is the case, the only reason that makes sense is his weight because the courts decided that he received a fair trial.

The woman worked in an Elyria, Ohio motel Post was robbing, and died after the man shot her twice in the back of the head.

Execution-style slaying during an armed robbery, and the Ohio Governor says... actually he did not say much of anything, at least not as relayed in the story, only that Post's legal presentation "did not rise to the level that society has come to expect in death penalty cases.", meaning, I believe, that he did not accept the defense contention that the inmates extreme obesity made it impossible to execute him in a humane manner.

So, why the @$!@$# did he commute his sentence to life in prison?

I'm not even in favor of the death penalty, and this story has me frothing at the mouth.

Even more infuriating is the date of the crime, 1983, almost 30 !@#$@# years ago, and he had not yet exhausted the appeals process. Sorry, I do not believe it takes 3 decades to process every legitimate appeal of a murder conviction. My suspicion is that some opponents of the death penalty intentionally string out this process by serially appealing each issue for every capital case, and then saying [here goes the blood pressure again] that it costs more money to execute a murderer than to imprison him for life.

In China, this man would have been executed within 3 weeks of his arrest. Yes, that strikes me as too rushed. But 3 decades?!? There has to be a way to inject some rationality and balance into this process, and the people of Ohio should vote their Governor out of office faster than you can say "recall election".

Well, no justice for Helen. Fatty should fry!! Stupid Ohio governor, didn't like him in the first and I like him less now. Why waste any ones time for jury duty, it is a joke. Eat crap ohio governor. If this happened to some one in your family, I think there would be a different tone.

everyone here should spend a few minutes emailing this idiot governor and let him know what people think.

This is the exact kind of sht that happens that sends a message to would be killers. NO ACCOUNTABILITY. There is no fear of any sort of punishment because the punishment NEVER COMES. Tell me honestly what the hell kind of punishment is life in prison? Free Food, Free Rent, Free Utilities, Cable TV, Exercise Equipment, Education Opportunities, and even a library. What the hell is "his freedom" compared to his living in what is basically a gated community with armed security preventing the mobs from exacting REAL JUSTICE on his ass.

We wonder why we have knuckleheads shooting up malls and schools. It is because of weak willed, lilly livered, pusscake politicians and kumbaya singing Libtards that we have these kinds of problems. Guns are only the instrument of the murder, it is the person pulling the trigger that is the problem. UNTIL we start exercising HARSH and IMMEDIATE Punishments on ass clowns like this, we will continue to send the message of complacency with crime.

I for one, should crime find its way into my home, will NOT rely on the judicial system...

Feed his fat azz to the hogs.

How in the WORLD do you get to over 400 lbs on death row?! You're in your cell like 23+ hours a day and you can't eat any food that isn't given to you through the bars... Do they just use the guards as room service boys?! Whoever is in charge of death row should be fired. No way should a person on death row even be plump, let alone morbidly obese!

New reality show! Twist on the biggest loser- Whatever Death Row inmate loses the most weight gets executed in a timely manner. After appeals, of course...

Will the Watcher,

Governor Kasich is a teabagger. No liberal mentality there.

Your post is either the funniest satire of an angry right winger or the silliest bit of cartoonish drivel I've ever seen. Either way, keep it coming. Great stuff.

all these things should be his daily mandatory supervised regimen for this scammin'POS 1st. deny him all medical care he lost that privelege with his death sentence being commuted 2. make him eat 15lbs of bacon everyday for meals and nothing else 3. no water only soda to drink 4. cake lots of real sugarie sweet cake 4. mandatory cigaret smoking.....8 packs a day all of it supervised so he doesn't barter this stuff with other inmates 5. once every 2 weeks he has to run a mile in 15 minutes and when he isn't capable of it he has to chain smoke 1 pack of cigs right then and there....all that should kill him agonisingly in fairly quick order

I could be wrong here but doesn't Ohio have a GOP governor, Senate and House majorities? Michigan was able to pass a right to work law, New abortion restrictions, etc all in one day each. This is what happens when politicians worry about suppressing votes and who is sticking what where. No one smart enough to think hey we need to have a legal secondary means of execution. Many states have a backup means. They should just shoot him. If he has any family let them sue.

The man is a waste of taxpayers money. Justice is a lie!

So Fatso puts two into the back of that womans head which means he executed her and We really care that he may suffer if he is executed, what the FU_K is wrong with this picture!

Will the Watcher (1.15)

I'm quite liberal, and DON'T lump all liberals under your "libtard" definition. I believe in the death penalty and this ah needs to be executed one way or another--and it shouldn't be an "easy" death for him. I KNOW I'm not the only liberal who thinks this way.............

This Ohio governor needs to be recalled immediately......

What the F. Did this guy eat his cellmate or something? He would not suffer too much with two to the back of the head. Get him some better representation and get on with the execution.

Wow, just when the convicted murderers discover a new paradigm for avoiding payin'-the-piper (obesity), ...

Hostess Twinkies, Cup Cakes and Ding Dongs are no longer available. Can you say "irony"?

;-)

"Republican Gov. John Kasich said in a statement that Post's legal representation "did not rise to the level that society has come to expect in death penalty cases." " What hooey, drop this as#hat 100 miles off the coast of Florida, if he can float back, well then just shoot the dude SMH

Quoting the article:

"In September of this year, Post's lawyers argued their 480-pound client had difficulty losing weight and claimed he would face a "torturous and lingering death" if executed in January"

Hmm, it would seem that the answer to both of those concerns is not commuting the death sentence, but rather changing the method of execution. I suggest ...Guillotine!

An instantaneous weight loss of about 20 pounds (or a loss of 460 pounds, if you look at it the other way around). And the death most certainly would not be lingering!

I'm just sayin' ...

Nonsense, just dart him like any other large animal.Are grizzly bears too fat to kill?

I've decided I'm too fat to pay taxes - especially if that money is going to pay for people like this!

Show him the same mercy he showed his victim.

This whole thing is all about the system and everyone in it to make money. Just imagine all the lawyers and security who have been involved in this case for the last 30 years. Our system sucks.

With any luck he will die tomorrow of a massive heart attack.

He should have been executed decades ago.

He needs to get off the protein diet or is it all you can eat in jail? He's set a new president for all the gays, suck down plenty of Protein get fat and live for ever. Who new giving head smacks would save your life?

What's wrong with the GAS chamber is he also to FAT to breathe . Either turn the fat a** over to his victums family of Put the Dumb a** Govener in his place

Oh hell, just take him out back and shoot him, double tap to the back of his head.

Gov. John Kasich's decision to grant clemency to Ronald Post mirrored the recommendation of mercy by the state parole board, which said it didn't doubt Post's guilt but said there were too many problems with how he was represented 30 years ago. Youngstown News vindy.com

Well they had 30 years to correct his representation, and if they didn't doubt his guilt, wtf? You got two answers Guilty? Not Guilty? guilty you execute. not guilty, let him out. And how the F does someone get that fat on prison food? Something is F'd up in OHIO. no wonder they voted for Obama.

No, btone #1.19, this is no TEA party Rep, sounds more like a RINO. and you shouldn't call us TEAbaggers it implies you are a teabaggee...not that I mind, my online game name is Tag-N-Baggenzes. nothing I like better than humiliating a noob.

Well B-Tone, I am a conservative, but far from a tea bagger. Kinda like libtards aren't really indicative of all democrats. With that said, NOTHING gets me more irked than to see some sleezebag committ a crime, get convicted, then have the balls to seek liency for that crime. I have no sympathy for criminals, druggies, chomos, killers, or the other dregs that aren't worth the puss from the pimple from the ass of society. People like this guy should be squeezed until they pop, just like anyother unwanted bodily blemish.

But I too can have a liberal view. For instance, the guy might be too fat, too morbidly obese to take his rightful spot on the gurney for the blue drip. And having this liberal mindset, it wouldn't be too hard to help this poor bastrd shed some of those unwanted pounds. So what I propose is we get a half-starved elephant and strip ole fatty down and cram a peanut in his ass and shove him into the pen with the elephant. Now either 1 of 2 things are gonna happen. Either he is gonna run like hell and shed the unwanted pounds to enable them to euthanize this rabid piece of dogsht, or the elephant is gonna catch him. Either way he's fk'd. And for you PETA treehuggers out there, I am not suggesting cruelty to the elephant. It is a reward, in which the elephant not only gets the peanut, but also learns some mad skills in survival.

In all honesty, I am absolutely disgusted that the lack of intestinal fortitude of these politicians in executing pieces of sht. In any herd, there comes a time when you need to cull. And believe me, the one thing that keeps the herd in line is fear. And fear is something our joke of a justice system does not instill.

This is truly a travesty of justice...

We wonder why we have knuckleheads shooting up malls and schools. It is because of weak willed, lilly livered, pusscake politicians and kumbaya singing Libtards that we have these kinds of problems.

...and every time I encounter a posting such as yours, Will The Watcher, I realize that not all the idiots and fools are on one side of the political spectrum.

Just because he is too fat to get a needles in his arm is no reason to let him off.

Why don't you people try reading at least the first sentence of the article before posting. That isn't the reason he was granted clemency.

Simple solution bread and water diet

My guess id NBC put out completely misleading headlines so we can know who doesn't read the article before commenting.

Apparently a lot of headlines-only readers are present today.

Only in America!

If Helen had had a gun, maybe she could have executed this POS and saved everyone this trouble.

Kasich is wrong. He had like 6 appeals with judges and lawyers and they didn't find his defense weak. Time to stop feeling bad for criminals.

And, this should be a sign to you all that govt will not take care of you or do the right thing.

Will the Watcher wrote:

"We wonder why we have knuckleheads shooting up malls and schools. It is because of weak willed, lilly livered, pusscake politicians and kumbaya singing Libtards that we have these kinds of problems."

Really, Will? Republican Governor John Kasich is a "Libtard"? I suspect the Governor is going to be quite surprised to learn this.

Take your pants down in public and rant, much?

commuted the death sentence of convicted murderer Ronald Post, but not because of the obese inmate's claim that he was too large to be executed.

Then why was it part of the headlines? If he was given clemency for reasons other than his fat ass then his fat ass shouldn't have been part of the headlines.

Besides, where is the rest of the story. ABC news ran this article the other day and there was about twice as much information.

Since he escaped the hot seat he should be really punished for the rest of his life. Put him on diet and get him down to 115 lbs. That would be his worst nightmare.

Did ANYONE actually read the article? He didn't commute because of the guys weight, but rather ineffective counsel. It's a good reason to commute death.

You need to re-read Robert - the net is pretty large I cast, "weak willed, lilly livered, pusscake politicians and kumbaya singing Libtards that we have these kinds of problems." This sorry assed excuse of a Governor isn't a libtard, but certainly weak-willed, and lilly livered. The kumbaya singing libtards are usually the ones that believe the rights of the convicted are more important than those of the victim. They are the ones holding the spare the killer vigils, the ones that are dumb enough to believe cancers like this guy deserve to keep breathing after he executed the woman with 2 shots to the back of the head.

And Dman, I am quite well versed in crime and punishment. My irritation comes from this constant sparing and entertaining of bull@!$%# excuses when it comes to not holding criminals FULLY ACCOUNTABLE for thier crimes. And Life in Prison without Parole IS NOT accountability. Since you prefer a more educated, more robust argument, here is a bit of info to appease you.

I am very PRO Capital Punishment. If we were to examine the cost savings in regards to LWOP and Capital punishment, LWOP is cheaper than execution. With that said however, those costs include the 30+ years average of appeals, calling and compensating of witnesses, juries, and filings. Not to mention, and
here is the real kick in the ass, during those appeals process there is also the increased possibility of some liberalism to permit parole, release, or the "exploitation" of a legal interpretation that may or may not apply a reversal of the conviction years later. Though this is not the ultimate reasoning for commutation of this sentence, the argument was made concerning his "obesity" and his depression as reasons for a reduced sentence.

Here though is the crux of the issue, and one that strikes me as painfully odd given the nature of the crime committed against the victim. Given the basic tennent of human rights, the right to live essentially, that right has been unlawfully taken from the victim. The victim never received a repreave, or 30 years of hearings, trials, protests, or even an appointed mouthpiece (lawyer) to argue for thier right to live before the crime was committed, and certainly there is no restitution whatsoever to compensate the victim for the "loss". So why then do we reward the perpetrator with the legal wrangling, and the demands for them to be spared? Of course, some can point to those that have been wrongfully convicted, and it is a legitimate concern in some cases, but in others where the evidence is so overwhelming (i.e. caught on camera, DNA, confessions, and solid forensic evidence) it makes no sense in the waste of time, money and resources to basically have to drag the sentencing portion out so long.

There are serious issues in regards to safety as well in the lifetime incarcerations of murderers. Things like attacks on guards and prison staff, other inmates, and even the possibility of escape. The convict has already shown a disregard for the sanctity of life, through thier actions, and often times depending on the nature of the crime, dehumanizes the victim making it all the more easy to carry out thier offense.
These types of people in my estimation should not be sheltered by the very same notion of the law they consciously disregarded in committing thier acts. In this case, the convict executed his victim with 2 gunshots to the back of the head, at close range, as she was knelt down.

According to the Texas Department of Criminal Justice, the cost for the drugs used in lethal injection is $86.08., however, the average costs to spend that $86 is 1.94 billion--Pre-Trial and Trial Costs,
$925 million--Automatic Appeals and State Habeas Corpus Petitions, $775 million--Federal Habeas Corpus Appeals and roughly $1 billion--Costs of Incarceration, spanning the length of time from the 1st appeal to the day of execution covering the additional security, facilities, personnel, and other intanigibles. With the convict in this case, after the 30 plus years of appeals, he has cost the taxpayer well over this amount, and the untold psychological costs, emotional costs to the family and those that loved and cared about the victim. So what is the solution?

From my own perspective due process of the law does not have to take 30 years, nor should it. Streamlining the appeals process and cutting down on the time to handle appeals would significantly
lighten the economic burden. Likewise, in cases where the evidence is so iron clad and even waivered by the accused, the appeals process should not be "automatic". The appeal should be based on TANGIBLE evidence to refute the conviction, and in most cases during the appeals process, the issue of the conviction IS NOT the basis for the appeal, but more concerning the "procedure" of the trial. THIS to me is assinine, when the guilt is not at question, and these types of appeals based on procedure account for 78%
of the arguments raised during the appellate process. (Source - White Paper DOJ Capital Punishment Appeals Process) As we see here with this fat ass, the question of GUILT was never a point of contention, but the concern out of "hurting" him during execution. Interesting enough considering the victim NEVER recieved such concern, nor was it even a thought to the convict.

Here are some additional facts for those of you who do not support capital punishment to consider.

The U.S. Department of Justice estimates that convicted criminals free on parole and probation . . . commit ‘at least’ 84,800 violent crimes every year, including 13,200 murders, 12,900 rapes, and 49,500 robberies." American Guardian, May 1997, pg. 26. Incredibly, this slaughter does not include violent
crimes committed by repeat offenders who are released and who are not on "supervision".

9-15% of those on death row committed, at least, one additional murder, prior to that murder (or those murders) which has currently put them on death row; 67% had a prior felony conviction; 42% had an
active criminal justice status when they committed their capital offense; 14% of those sentenced to death from 1988-94, had received two or more death sentences ("Capital Punishment 1994", BJS 1995 & JFA).

For a criminal justice system to have credibility and deterrent value, two factors are required: (1) a high rate of arrest and (2) punishment which reflects the severity of the crime, the criminal’s record and the demand for justice. The U.S. system has neither. Of the 10.3 million violent crimes in 1993, only 100,000 of those victimizations, or 1%, resulted in an actual jail sentence. Only 6.2% of all violent crimes result
in arrest. (Prof. John J. DiIulio, Jr., Princeton Univ. 1995, The State of Violent Crime in America, 1/96 and Criminal Victimization 1993 , BJS, 1995.) The human rights of victims and future victims are consistently ignored.

With no death penalty and only life without parole (LWOP), there is no deterrent for LWOP inmates killing others while in prison or after escape. Indeed, there is actually a positive incentive to murder if a criminal has committed a LWOP offense and had not yet been captured. Currently, there are a number of inmates who have killed numerous people in prison or after escape. Their punishment could not be increased
because there is no death penalty in those states. Therefore, they will never be punished for those crimes. Never. Totally unacceptable, by any standard. Not surprisingly, death penalty opponents believe that LWOP is more severe than the death penalty. Hamilton, V., & Rakin, L.:"Interpreting the 8th Amendment", Bedau, H., & Pierce, C., ed., Capital Punishment in the United States, New York, AMS, 1976.

The most conclusive evidence that criminals fear the death penalty more than life without parole is provided by convicted capital murderers and their attorneys. 99.9% of all convicted capital murderers
and their attorneys argue for life, not death, in the punishment phase of their trial. When the death penalty becomes real, murderers fear it the most. While it is obvious that the fear of execution did not deter those murderers from committing a capital crime, it is also clear that such fear is reduced because executions are neither swift nor sure in the U.S. However, as the probability of that punishment rises for those murderers, even they show a great fear of the death penalty. Although you will never deter all murderers, the effect of
deterrence will rise as the probability of executions rise. Because, as the probability of executions rises, the fear of that punishment will also rise. And, that which we fear the most deters the most. Indeed, prisoners rate the death penalty as the most feared punishment, much more so than life without parole. Sehba, L. & Nathan, G., "Further Explorations in the Scale of Penalties", British Journal of Criminology, 24:221-249, 1984. HERE AGAIN, the point is proven in the case of the multiple years of this offender getting so obese as to even have an argument to commute the sentence imposed. And the weak willed politician granting a commutation of the sentence. The threat of ultimate accountability has once again been removed, sending a signal of weak resolve in combating crime, which as research shows, removes all semblance of deterrence.

and finally,

The individual deterrent effect is proven by many, perhaps thousands, of individual, fully documented cases where criminals have admitted that the death penalty was the specific threat which deterred them and/or others from committing murder. Indeed, one study showed that criminals, by a 5:1 ratio, believed that capital punishment was a significant enough deterrent to prevent them and/or others from murdering their victims (People vs Love, 56 Cal 2d 720 (1961), McComb, J. dissenting. see also: (A) "Controversy Over Capital Punishment", Congressional Digest, Jan.,’73, p. 13; (B) L.A.P.D. study within Aikens vs Ca., No. 68-5027, Oct. Term, 1971, U.S. Supreme Court; ( C ) Carol Vance, "The Death Penalty After Furman", The Prosecutor, vol. 9, no. 4 (1973), p. 703; (D) Carrington, F., Neither Cruel Nor Unusual, Pgs. 92-100(1978); (E) Don Hooloschultz, "Gunman Slain, Hostages O.K.", Washington Star News, 8/23/73, p.A-1; (F) Jim Landers, "4 Guilty in Holdup Sentence", Washington Post, 12/8/73,p.B-1; (G) Larry Derryberry, "It
Is The Fear That Death May Be The Punishment That Deters", Police Digest, Spring/Summer 1973, p.27, col.2. ; (H) "Langley says Texas death penalty affected his actions during escape", by Stephen Martin, The Daily Democrat (Ft. Madison, Iowa), 1/8/97, pg 1. Indeed, prisoners rate the death penalty as a much more severe penalty than they do life without parole (B.12).

While it is difficult to prove a negative, i.e. "How many murders does the death penalty cause not to occur?", there is absolute evidence that the individual deterrent effect of executions saves innocent lives. Extensive worldwide research on individual deterrence would, undoubtedly, reveal significant general deterrent effect..

Hows that for a more well rounded, more educated expression of irritation and frustration...

Did ANYONE actually read the article? He didn't commute because of the guys weight, but rather ineffective counsel. It's a good reason to commute death.

Well, any legal council which had successfully allowed me to evade execution for 3 decades after my gratuitous, execution-style slaying of a woman during a robbery, I would hardly call ineffective.

I'm not in favor of Capital Punishment, but only because I do not trust a legal system run by human beings to administer it in a fair and just manner. That does not mean that I do not feel some people richly deserve to get the needle, or a bullet, or a good length of rope.

If ever a guy deserved to have been executed, and executed 20+ years ago, this man did.

Well the law has spoken, if only through the actions of the Governor. I hope the people of Ohio remember at election time.

And Dman, I am quite well versed in crime and punishment.

Possibly, but all I saw in your post were a string of opinions, poorly vetted assumptions and outright falsehoods, interspersed with some rather shop worn truisms, all of which you present as if they were incontrovertible truths you personally have discovered. .

For example:

I am very PRO Capital Punishment. If we were to examine the cost savings in regards to LWOP and Capital punishment, LWOP is cheaper than execution. With that said however, those costs include the 30+ years average of appeals,

Average of 30+ years: Actually, according to the Bureau of Justice statistics (http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/time-death-row), in 2010, the average length of time a condemned man [or woman] spends on death row was 178 months, or 14.83 years.

So, where exactly, do you get the 30-plus figure as the average length of appeals process in capital cases.

According to the Texas Department of Criminal Justice, the cost for the drugs used in lethal injection is $86.08., however, the average costs to spend that $86 is 1.94 billion--Pre-Trial and Trial Costs, $925 million--Automatic Appeals and State Habeas Corpus Petitions, $775 million--Federal Habeas Corpus Appeals and roughly $1 billion--Costs of Incarceration, spanning the length of time from the 1st appeal to the day of execution covering the additional security, facilities, personnel, and other intanigibles.

Billions, not millions of dollars, you claim. Well, you don't provide links to your source. I did a quick Google search and came up with the following site, http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/costs-death-penalty, which does report the same numbers as those you cite, but they are total costs since 1978, for California.

In the interests of intellectually honesty, I post here the actual figures reported (word for word):

Financial Facts About the Death Penalty

California

Assessment of Costs by Judge Arthur Alarcon and Prof. Paula Mitchell (2011, updated 2012)

The authors concluded that the cost of the death penalty in California has totaled over $4 billion since 1978:

• $1.94 billion--Pre-Trial and Trial Costs
• $925 million--Automatic Appeals and State Habeas Corpus Petitions
• $775 million--Federal Habeas Corpus Appeals
• $1 billion--Costs of Incarceration

The authors calculated that, if the Governor commuted the sentences of those remaining on death row to life without parole, it would result in an immediate savings of $170 million per year, with a savings of $5 billion over the next 20 years.

So, my well-versed friend, care to share the actual source for your figures, or have I actually provided it?

While it is difficult to prove a negative, i.e. "How many murders does the death penalty cause not to occur?", there is absolute evidence that the individual deterrent effect of executions saves innocent lives. Extensive worldwide research on individual deterrence would, undoubtedly, reveal significant general deterrent effect..

Interesting assumption. One has to ask why, if the death penalty is such a deterrent, has the murder rate been steadily falling in this country, even as the number of executions have fallen. In the years since Capital Punishment was reinstated, in 1977, the peak year for executions was 1999, when 98 criminals were put to death. In that year the murder rate was 5.7 per 100,000. Since then the number of executions have fallen, to 46 in 2010, and the murder rate has fallen to 4.8 per 100,000.

Sources: http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/executions-year and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_the_United_States.

Hows that for a more well rounded, more educated expression of irritation and frustration...

Not very impressive, I'm afraid, and very long winded.

Despite your claim of expertise, I see only bigoted and intolerant opinions, presented in a frequently insulting and abusive manner. So, even though I share your frustrations regarding the extremely extended process by which the death penalty is applied, I find very little of creditable substance in your arguments.

In short, it is an embarrassment to find myself on the same side of this issue as you.

Will the Watcher

" ....weak willed, lilly livered, pusscake politicians and kumbaya singing Libtards ...

...sorry assed excuse of a Governor isn't a libtard, but certainly weak-willed, and lilly livered."

"...The kumbaya singing libtards..."

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"....Hows that for a more well rounded, more educated expression of irritation and frustration..."

A grownup who fills his witten comments with juvenile terms and phrases like "weak willed, lilly livered, pusscake politicians and kumbaya singing Libtards" as well as profanity, as his chosen manner of expression, might well be frustrated and irritated, ... but is neither "well-rounded" nor "educated."

To the contrary. Judging solely by the uncivil nature and adolescent content of your posts, coupled with your demonstrated propensity to copy and paste from the Internet without attribution as if those words were your own ( just like a Middle School child plagiarizing for a term paper ), causes me to suspect that you are probably a 12-years-old.

Just another fully comprehensive Article from the expert Journalists at NBC. I just found out the real story behind this. He pleaded "No Contest" on advice from council with the expectation of no death penalty.

So there was no trial, and he still got the death penalty. I would not call that the best defense, so I guess, even though I disagree, the governor did have some just cause for his decision. i.e the terms of the original plea agreement.

Just a side note here. And liberals say this is a fair and balanced news site. Just how many Conservatives did they get to turn on this Governor, myself included? Word of advice, and I should have known better myself, take what you read here skeptically, they have an angle.

eating all that fat, his triglycerides will go through the roof and a cardiac event will ensue. very painful, that, and not protected from under any constitutional amendment.

Something like this could only happen in a country where Honey Boo Boo is one of the Top 10 Most Interesting People of 2012.

I agree drag his fat ass out to a big hole and put two slugs in his fat ass brain and justice will be served

Just...stop...feeding...him.

Fatted on my and your taxpayer money. What does being too fat have to do with putting a bullet through his head?

They are called knockers at the packing houses..One tap with the knocker drops a full grown cow like a box of bricks.

So why not a bullet in the back of the skull? Other than the wait death would be instantaneous.

Good one.

Maybe it was the sperm.

they sell garbage food in comesary,just need money and dont excercize.just eat and expand and cry when your time comes.

Read the article, though. His weight was apparently NOT why his sentence was commuted.

I did read the article thank you very much and his condition is directly related to his being obese and frankly I could care less if he suffers from depression. He surely never considered the suffering he cause for many others by his actions and now he expects compassion from society. SORRY none coming from here. And if the Gov. is so concerned for his happiness then perhaps he can take him home and let him live off the Gov's resources for a while then we will see how much compassion the Gov. has for him. People like this have earned a Darwin Award IMHO.

For the record, I have no compassion for him, either - and I think the Governor has some difficult questions to answer. The reasons mentioned is questionable poor legal representation - which simply doesn't add up to me. Why still life in prison, then - as opposed to a new trial?

his original argument was he was too fat--when the federal judge shot that down, his lawyers went to the parole board with a different line of argument. Strangely, none of these appeals had anything to say about the fact that he actually Was guilty. There was no mitigating circumstance or question as to his actual Guilt. This is the problem I have with the parole board's recommendation. Kasich is a blabbering fool, he barely knows what he's talking about half the time. They shoved the paper in front of him and he signed it.

After 30 years in the clink and he's still fat? We're clearly feeding him too much.

A proper shot to the base of the skull should be pretty painless -- almost certainly less painful than however he (and most of us) will eventually die (such as heart disease or cancer).

Take him out back and shoot him. What other means of execution would be less painful?

Yes, and what a dumb ass governor. Fire his useless ass.

Someone already used that excuse, too. Now there is a no hanging fat people precedence.

There is NO Justice in the American Justice system. All of the resources goes to Defending Criminals. The Victim does Not count At All.

LOL. You don't even have to read the entire article - just the first sentence.

It's not the educational system Laura, it's the stupid people like you who will buy anything the nitwit Governor spits out. Go back and look at his earlier appeals and all claims were he is too fat to execute. Your not a thinker, your a follower. Go back and look at all of his appeals over the past several years which court after court says he had a fair trial. The courts also disagreed that he was too fat to execute. The Governor is this case should be recalled and barred from office for life.

Chuck, how very mature of you to call people stupid!

I have no desire to go back several years and read all of the appeals on this case. It just isn't that important to me. Why would someone be that interested in the case unless it relates to them personally?

anually ?How about bi weekly?

tradewinns, agreed, but then this guy would claim cruel and unusal punishment. After all, we can't have such a wonderful human being starve now can we.

He was 23 when the crime was committed. We don't know if there were older criminals involved. The governor is a right wing nut so he probably likes seeing people die. There is a reason for him sparing a life.