Watch them charge the guy who made the 911 call with murder.

Trigger happy, abuse of power.

If you have a cop in the family or know any, ask them when was the last time they received a speeding ticket or there wife's....It's them and us, that the way the system wants it..

Cops are not our friends any more. Yes they do have a purpose and that's to put as many people in the system, so the system can generate revenue.

Note to self, don't scratch the jock itch when being arrested or an idiot with a badge will blow you away........

These guys should be in jail!! Lets see Border patrol shoots drug dealer.... the border agents go to jail!

Cops shoot unarmed AMERICAN cops go free.........

If the 911 called said that he should be charged with murder.

Consider this – they have described the skin color of the young men involved and because of that, most of the comments on here come across as race based criticism. What isn't in the article is the skin color of the officers. Would your opinions be different if you knew that the officer(s) were of the same skin color as the young man? As they didn't include that, you have no way of knowing so the assumption that this is race based is a stretch and we all know the dangers of assuming anything in this day and age.

This is just my opinion, but if it were not for the fact that the young man chose to commit a crime and chose to run from the police, he would be alive today. At any point in the scenario, he could have made a different choice. Choices always have consequences, good, bad or otherwise. While not an intended choice, he chose to put himself in harm's way.

Mary Jones:

No, the guy who made the false report is not going to be charged. And I feel he should.

Oscar Carrillo called in a report that his laptop computer was stolen from him at gunpoint--security camera footage from a nearby business (that had a camera outside) showed a teenager (NOT McDade) removed the laptop from Carrillo's UNLOCKED car. The camera footage shows no confrontation and no weapon.

Carrillo calls in a report of an armed robbery at gunpoint. The cops show up, one foot officer and one in a car. The officer in the patrol car blocked the end of the street as the foot officer chased McDade toward the patrol car. McDade's hand went to the waistband of his pants; the officer in the patrol car believed he was going for a weapon and pulled his own, fired four shots and wounding McDade. The foot officer behind McDade believed that McDade had fired at the officer in the patrol car and so opened fire of his own, firing four shots. The autopsy report later turned up 7 shots, six in front, one in the back, three of the frontal shots went through arteries in his abdomen and arm which caused his death. The item in his waistband was a cellphone.

The 17-year-old who actually removed the laptop from Carrillo's car pled guilty to grand larceny.

If the cops had NOT believed that he had a weapon due to the false report (the 911 tapes reveal that Carrillo stated eight times throughout the course of the call that there had been a weapon and confrontation, and he did not admit that he was lying until the security camera footage came to light) they would most likely not have used deadly force.

Therefore, I believe that Carrillo should indeed be charged at least with filing a false report, if not involuntary manslaughter.

Why is everyone so upset with the police? As far as they knew they were facing someone armed with a gun. The guy who lied on the 911 call should be the one facing charges.

It just seem to me that the kid was trying to rob someone, right?

IF he was trying to rob the victim we should then shoot the victim, Right?

The lowlife scum should be dead, we are now protecting the lawbreakers? Come on man, get the lawbreakers off the street one way or the other.

"they protect their own"

That is all

The cops are not the ones at fault here, it is the SoB who called in the false 911 report saying that the kids were armed. At a minimum he should be charged with involuntary manslaughter, although in reality it should probably be voluntary manslaughter. The guy knew full well that by telling the police that the kids were armed the chances greatly increased that the police would use deadly force against them. He is the one responsible for putting it in the cops head that the kid was reaching for a gun since he told the cops the kid had a gun. I can not believe that the guy who made the false report is not being charged, it is a disgrace. Had this guy not lied to the police, the kid would probably still be alive. Of course it is hard to have too much sympathy for the kid either, since if he were not a thief, he would not have been in a position to get shot to start with. I am not saying that robbing someone should warrant being killed, but the kid was responsible for putting himself in the situation where it happened. Of all those involved in this, the cops are the only ones who do not deserve to be blamed at all. They reacted to what they reasonably thought was a life threatening situation and acted appropriately.

Based upon the limited amount of information presented in this article, you have to say the right decision was made by the DA.
- The cops were called to respond to an armed robbery
- They show up and a suspect runs away
- The suspect reaches for his waistband

If the cop waits until he actually sees a gun he could be dead before he has time to react.

Granted, the kid may have only been pulling up his pants but the cop had to make a life or death decision in a split second.

Again, going on what's presented in this article, the 911 caller is certainly going to be found liable in a civil suit. My opinion is that manslaughter charges should be filed against the 911 caller.

Cool...the next time there is an accident at the intersection near my house, I'll just tell the dispatcher that the people involved are yelling at each other and pointing guns. It should increase the response time from 1 1/2 hours to just a few minutes, and I won't face false report charges.

Two words: Saggy pants. You can't run with saggy pants and no belt. You grab for your waistband so you can keep your pants up as you're running from the police and the cop is supposed to know you don't have a gun in your waistband? If he doesn't hesitate you may be dead. If he does hesitate he may be dead. Dress like a banger you get treated like a banger. Act guilty by running. Get treated like you're guilty. Being a cop is a job. Just like you a cop wants to survive a dangerous job and go home to his family and friends. If there is a possibility that either you or the cop won't be going home today and you were the cop who would you choose?

Note to people--if you have valuables like a laptop in your car, when you get out LOCK YOUR DOOR. If Carrillo had locked his car up chances are good that the 17 year old would never have been able to steal it (breaking a car window attracts too much attention on a public street in broad daylight!!!)

Also remember--in CA, if you call in a false report you're not going to be charged if someone dies as a result if that report.

...and THAT, people, is the real travesty here. The DA's decision to not charge Carrillo with even filing a false report, much less involuntary manslaughter, is a violation of justice.

Hey Tag - Blacks will stop "running the streets" the day white guys stop shooting up schools, temples, movie theatres, hair salons, etc. because daddy didn't toss the ball around enough with you growing up. We get that you measure your masculinity by the number of guns you have in your arsenal, but if you need a hug just ask for one and stop shooting up the neighborhood everytime you feel weepy.

Maybe then we can start talking to you about your propensity towards child molestation versus the rest of the population and all the various other crimes your kind are statistically most likely to indulge.

See, the vitriol flows both ways, and it turns out your crap stinks just like everyone else. We just cover it up more for ya because we know white men can't take the same level of cultural scrutiny they impose on other groups. That's why Adam Lanza is an "isolated incidence of mental illness" and not just another in a long line of examples of white gun culture criminality.

It is infuriating that if you cause cops to chase you and someone dies you get charged with murder, but if you lie in order for them to chase someone down who ends up dying then you get to go home.

"Protect and serve themselves" is more like it. Just say the the dude touched his waste band and you can kill whomever you please. Oh and the false report, eh, who cares? The pigs felt like a little target practice that day any way. Let the guy walk...

What a bunch of moronic pigs. F*#k the police!

In Los Angeles, I once watched through the window as cops kicked an unarmed man, repeatedly shoving his head/face down into the concrete -- he would raise his head to protest being kicked in the side and they would shove his head forcefully down, again and again.

All he was doing was panhandling outside a fast food restaurant in a very nonthreatening manner. He had approached me, stopped at a respectful distance and said, "Excuse me, ma'am, but I am hungry." When I did not reply, he simply withdrew.

Upon entering the restaurant and approaching the counter, I heard the burglar alarm sounding. The manager was on the phone talking, then he hung up and walked over, said something to the employees like "that should do it," and turned off the burglar alarm. The cops soon arrived and I witnessed the man who had been panhandling outside being beaten up.

I was outraged. This seemed a bit much to beat up a guy who was simply hungry, so I ran outside and told the cops in no uncertain terms that this man had done nothing, he was just panhandling. At this point one of the cops had the man bent over the police car. The cop looked up and threatened to arrest me! I put my hands out and told him to go right ahead. I hadn't done anything either. Another cop came up and explained that the manager had reported an armed robbery.

This was all a ploy to dupe the cops into getting this guy away from the restaurant entrance. Only by saying the guy was attempting an armed robbery could he get the cops to come.

When I got back home I called the corporate headquarters of the restaurant and told them what their manager had done. Corporate defended the manager, but offered to send me free meal coupons just to shut me up.

I looked for that man for weeks, hoping to give him those coupons for food which he had paid for with a battered body. Nor did I ever eat at that restaurant again.

And, no. The cops did not arrest the restaurant manager for filing a false report. I have heard other business owners in Los Angeles say the same thing, that to get the cops to respond they have to say the person is armed. Perhaps if they did arrest these liars, they would stop doing what is common practice to get the cops to come and handle what is actually a trivial matter.

By the way, the above incident happened in 1982. This has been allowed to go on in California for a long time.

Reaching for anything while a cop is pointing a gun at you is a real bad idea, whether or not youve done anything, its always best to just hold still until the cop tells you what to do. Remember, that cop never knows who he's dealing with, and his split second decisions are always going to favor him going home alive, even if it means you dont.

becoming galactic said:

By the way, the above incident happened in 1982. This has been allowed to go on in California for a long time.

So I wonder--if someone calls in these 'violent' crimes that later are proved to have involved no violence at all, but charges are never filed, does that stay on the 'violent crime' column in the statistics?

That would make crime index statistics in CA inaccurate.

If CA has been receiving federal money for federally-sponsored anti-violent crime task forces based on violent crime statistics they KNEW to be inaccurate due to false reports that they never prosecuted or corrected, then that's fraud and wasting taxpayer money...and that will need to be federally investigated.

I think these two cops had just come back from doing tours in Afganistan. I agree in the cops shoot dont shoot situation that if they had not made that split second decision there could have been a chance they could have got shot themselves. PPD has blasted a few blacks in recent years. People have to take a drive to Pasadena and see for themselves drive by Washington and Fair Oaks (Kings Manor) and Orange Grove and Summit (Community Arms) instead of just going to Old Town, The Rose Bowl and watching the Rose Parade at the end of the year. There a neighborhoods the city doesnt want you to see, its bad for business.

Skup

Why is everyone so upset with the police? As far as they knew they were facing someone armed with a gun. The guy who lied on the 911 call should be the one facing charges.

I for one wouldn't hesitate to shoot if i thought someone was going for a weapon. Him or me !

but Skup

it doesn't add up. If u as the suspect know that u don't have a weapon, why would u go for your waistband while trapped by cops pointing guns at you. If anything, it sounds more plausible the cops were trigger happy and wanted to rid the world as they perceived of one less thug. The reason i say this is because the dead guy's profile doesn't fit the typical street trash.

rkb:

The item in his waistband was reportedly his cellphone.

Now, that being said, his hand and arm were down by his waist. One could suppose here that depending on how long the foot chase had gone on, he could have developed breathing problems--when you run for a while you get a 'stitch' in your side that makes breathing painful and you hold your side under the ribs (or at least I do) or put your hands on your hips to ease breathing.

Do you think it was possible he could he have had a 'stitch' in his side from running?

While I'd be the first one to think of crooked cops, I will have to admit after looking at the facts of the case I really can't blame the cops.

The blame should lie squarely on the shoulders of the person who filed the false report. See post at 1.10 for explanation.

amanda- they didn't follow the policy though that you only shoot when you KNOW your life is in danger not when you think it might be. since the kid didn't have a gun there's no way they knew.

They had no way of knowing that McDade didn't have a gun. The 911 dispatcher said the caller had said there was a weapon used. See post 1.10 for explanation.

Amanda, the cops are supposed to be the highly trained professionals in this case. Just because the 911 caller lied does not erase the blame of trigger happy cops.

Shelia

Its a bad situation all the way around, but that cop doesnt know what youre reaching for, and he is assuming youre armed because thats the information he got on the call, if you are reaching for something he cant see, he naturally thinks its a gun. Whoever made the false report should be charged with at least calling in a false report.

Sheila, unless part of their training is x-ray vision or telepathy, they have no way to know that the caller is lying, and have to work with the information they have. At that situation they have been told repeatedly that this man has a gun, and used it to rob someone, and is running from them, and then when cornered he tries to pull something out of his waistband, which is where most people who don't have holsters carry concealed weapons. Any reasonable person at that moment would be in fear for their life from the man using the weapon they have been told he has had and just used. Had they not been specifically warned he had a gun, this would be different, but that was already established to them, and it is not their fault that the caller decided to lie as such. I'm disappointed that the caller is not being charged, but the lawsuit should go against him, not the officers who made a rational, split second call based on the only information they had that they had no reason to think was incorrect.

It is spelled "site". Personally speaking, I'm not anti-law enforcement but I was engaged to an officer. I heard too many unflattering things to automatically trust the character of someone in uniform.

Butch;

I am sick of people using that BS " if you could do a better job do it" That is HOG WASH. If you take a job you do that job.

Butch:

I would have been a cop but the investigating officer said I was too honest. I didn't lie well enough for their liking.

I almost signed up. When I finished my time in the Marine Corps 4 decades ago, I went to the county sheriff' department of a metropolitan area of 1.1 million people, and applied. I was handed a printed test and was told I had one hour to complete it, and I had to score 70% to pass. I finished the test in 10 minutes, got 100% right. The lieutenant who administerd the test, said to me, "I can't turn you down on the basis of this test, but our experience has been that people who score that high usualy go through the training with flying colors, then work the job about 3 months, then quit because they get bored with the job". So I said to him, "Well lieutenant, if you have to be stupid to do the job, I'll have to pass it up".

Great story, jerryb- Im thinking the guys pants were probably falling down off his lower hind quarters, and that's the last time he reached to pull them up. Fashionistas take notice.

I wanted to be a cop and got to fill the applications for the FBI and the State Police but changed my mind. Now I'm happy I did. See, most cops I know, if they are honest, are going trough hell. They are forced to be corrupt by their pay and their peers.

I think we need to strengthen the recruiting requirements for police officers.

From now on, if you can't foresee the future, you can't get hired. That way when some d1psh17 thug is fleeing from the police and reaches into his waistband, the officer will already know whether he has a gun or not and will not mistakenly kill some id10t who was probably just pulling up his saggin' pants. Then all the anti-cop bigots won't have an excuse for placing blame everywhere but where it belongs, which is on the d1psh17 thug who just committed the felony and was stupid enough to do ANYTHING OTHER than put his hands up in the air when someone is pointing a gun at him.

"Stupid is as stupid does."--Forest Gump.

I think that the stuff a cop has to deal with on a daily basis moves them from the "protect and serve" mentality they probably had when they started, to a "we are the law and we're going to administer what we consider justice because the courts wont" attitude they all seem to have after a few years on the job. I have to say that I have a police scanner in Houston and 90% of the calls contain the words "black male".

"I have to say that I have a police scanner in Houston and 90% of the calls contain the words "black male" <---- How is this the fault of the officers? If you get a suspect description you report it. Are you suggesting that officers, when either filing someone else's report or reporting in on a situation should intentionally hold back information if that information is unflattering or politically incorrect? If they were using slurs or hatespeech, that's a different thing, but that isn't the case. They are using purely descriptive, neutral terms, to describe individuals connected to a case or call with as much detail as possible.

I agree, the caller, Oscar Carrillo, should definitely be charged with (at the very least) making a false report.

The black person did rob the guy, he just didn't have a gun as was originally reported.

The report of a robbery was false, he just wanted the police to get there quicker. Article states, the man lied about being robbed.

The man lied about the robbers having a gun to garner a quicker response. He was still robbed.

The case became the center of controversy because the 911 caller admitted to lying about being robbed by two males with guns so he could get a quicker police response.

He admitted to lying about being robbed by two males with guns, not about being robbed at all.

I realize that some of you don't have the ability to THINK, much less make sensible judgments from what you've read but try this on for size: you get a call that someone is being robbed at gun point - that is the only information you have - your job is to protect that innocent victim and to stop that robbery so you arrive at the scene - you see a couple of guys running from the scene and they are acting like criminals - you give chase - they don't stop running and now they are acting like they have a weapon by putting their hands around their waistband where MOST criminals carry guns! Your first reaction is: they have a weapon and they are getting ready to use it! So, you have perfect RIGHT to shoot back to avoid anyone being shot! THAT IS WHY THE COP WAS NOT FOUND CULPABLE - HE DID WHAT HE WAS TRAINED TO DO UNDER THOSE CIRCUMSTANCES! Now, can any of you mental midgets understand that?

IF YOU DON'T WANT TO TAKE THE CHANCE OF BEING SHOT, CAUGHT, JAILED, ETC. THAN KEEP YOUR BUTTS AT HOME AND NOT OUT RUNNING THE STREETS GETTING INTO TROUBLE! That is the perfect recipe for gettnig shot - you've done it the old fashioned way - you've earned it. Frankly, it wouldn't bother me if they ALL got shot for committing robberies, burglary, car jackin, car theft, drive-by's, etc. Does it really bother yOu?

You are all a bunch of cowards....Walk it like you talk it or sit down and shut up...This is the bottom line if a cop is pointing the business end of a handgun at you put your hands up MORON...It's alot better than what all of you COWARDS would do if the punk robbed you. Pissing on yourself in public I mean...

You mean like the young men that put their hands up and then died of gunshot wounds to the head with their hands cuffed behind them in police cars?

Oh and he was shot in the BACK, so what was he going to do ... running forward and shooting backwards.

Tired,

He was being chased from behind by one officer and was running towards one officer. The officer in front of him saw him reach for his waistband and fired. When the officer in front fired, the officer who was chasing him also opened fire.

Despite the name-calling and the unwarranted 'mental midgets' comment, I would have to agree with Tag on saying the cops were correct in their actions. The information they had was that a robbery had been committed at gunpoint; they had no way of knowing that the report was false at the time they responded to the incident.

TiredVoter: He was running from the police. That being said, the autopsy report DID show that he was shot 7 times, six in front and once in the back (see post at 1.10) and i would argue that being shot in the back was excessive when the frontal shots had gone through abdominal arteries and caused death by exsanguination. However, I was not there and can't judge.

The only witnesses are either in uniform or dead, who's to say what happened? These guys may have been known to the authorities in the area as trouble and they are going to be treated as a threat, whether this person involved in a criminal act was adjusting his pants or grabbing his sack he's still running away from a crime that was reported to have been committed by ARMED men the police should be reactive to the situation as presented and not wait until a gun is being fired at anybody in the vicinity. There is a fine line here but the bottom line is the men in uniform are there to protect innocent lives, you don't know what that is going to entail day to day, you can only hope for the best and be prepared for the worst. The law officials in this case were acting on misinformation and the man that called it an armed robbery should bear scrutiny into his actions and words, "I said they were armed to get a faster response". That is a criminal act and he should be tried for his actions that led to the death of an unarmed man, whether the man was a criminal or not. That is the true travesty in this case. Every job has people that try to abuse the position in any way possible, police are human and prone to be flawed as such, I know many honorable men and women that do uphold their oath to protect and serve, would you like to be judged daily by what someone else at your job is doing or not doing? There is conspiricy out there but I don't think this is what most of the posters are portraying it as, simply no way to determine the facts other than the way they have been. Please if you know different make a statement to that effect and stand by your claims, I'm sure the officials would welcome the input.

Tag, doesn't bother me a bit, hommie, so long as we're shooting all the white men as well for all the meth and coke use, the child molestations and murders to coverup such crimes, the teenage drunk driving and drug abuse that garners a slight slap on the wrist versus the penalties other groups tend to receive, and don't forget the terrorist state of white male mass shootings which you guys seems to pull off every other day now. Afterall, who is gonna play your scapegoat when all the blacks are gone and you guys are still just as hypocritically criminal as you ever were? Who did yall used to scapegoat in Europe before colonization? The Jews? Poor guys. I guess yall start picking on them again post-blackness.

Ciewywbew

Getting a little tired of your anti-white rants. Want to talk about black crimes, lets talk about murder at an alarming rate (see Chicago) armed robbery, burglary, rape, whoring, pimping, crack, dope dealing, and the list goes on and on. If you dont like being locked up, quit committing crimes. You act like young black boys havent earned their reputation as criminals.

Afterall, who is gonna play your scapegoat when all the blacks are gone and you guys are still just as hypocritically criminal as you ever were?

All we have to do is stop keeping you from killing each other and blacks will exterminate themselves.

It's what you do that matters, not what color you are.

Stop making it about color and make it about personal responsibility.

It seems to me that when you decide to commit a crime, run from the police, and then don't listen to police orders, you run the risk of being shot by the police.

I will agree on everything except the 'commit the crime' thing--McDade did not remove the laptop from Carrillo's car, the 17 year old juvenile he was with did.

However, he should not have run.

slimyone:

He didn't commit a crime, he was with a 17 year old juvenile who took a laptop out of someone's unlocked car. At best, if he had survived the shooting it would have been accessory to theft since security camera showed there was no armed robbery and the person who called that report in confessed to lying after the security camera footage showed he was lying.

No information about what he was wearing at the time is available.

He went to Citrus College, was the star of his high school football team, and majored in law while he played college football. His coach said he was 'a good kid who never got in trouble'.

You cannot make the knee-jerk assumption that the world is better off without this young man. he was 19. Still had a whole life ahead of him. Many, many people commit crimes when they are young, then go on to turn their lives around and become productive members of society, giving back to their communities and mentoring youth to make sure these kids don't make the same mistake they made when they were young.

You cannot say that he WOULD have turned his life around, but at the same time you do not know that he would not.

He did not 'rob a taco stand.' The 911 caller Oscar Carrillo left his car unlocked and his laptop inside, McDade and a juvenile were walking past and the juvenile stole the laptop from Carrillo's car. Carrillo called it in as an armed robbery to incur faster police response.

I will agree however that McDade should not have run.

Thank you. People seem to think cops should risk their own lives to give criminals the benefit of the doubt.

If you don't want to be shot by a cop, don't commit crimes and listen to the police when they tell you to do something.

Except the police thought he was armed, because that was what had been reported to them.

Oh, yes, that will help the situation. Because if anything will encourage cops to give suspects more benefit of the doubt, it is hordes of people rioting, causing massive property damage and casualties, and going on the offensive against law enforcement as a whole. Great idea -.-

Move ? why? don't like it here--CHANGE IT. You sit there and believe that the cops are the almighty if you want. HELLO READ HOW MANY TIMES THEY HAVE MURDERED AND BEEN CLEARED AFTER AN INVESTIGATION BY THEIR OWN. Yes some shootings are justified--but be real here EVERY ONE OF THEM? No thats why I say shoot the bastard before he shoots you, for even if they are wrong you will not get true justice

Yes beca, advising people to shoot cops is certainly going to make people safer. /sarc

Beca you clearly have an issue with reality!!! Shoot first, REALLY that is as dumb a comment as I've read on this board. Time to adjust the meds kiddo, you clearly are not into reality and waiting for your freind to pick up the joystick so you can play one of your R.P.G.s get some fresh air into your brain, get out of mommas basement or whatever. People like you make everyone else unsafe!!!

Attention all cops, becca703 has declared war on you. Find out who the r3tard is and if you pull it over be sure to shoot first. Then show it's post in court as evidence why you felt threatened.

Jibaro, There's nothing INTERESTING about it. they commit a high percent of the crime so the number would be high.

Do they? So you think that murder is justified if you think that the victim is a criminal? Talk about racism...