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Subscribe to RSSSAN DIEGO -- Two people were shot in San Diego late Monday after meeting a potential buyer who was responding to a Craigslist advertisement.
The shooting victims posted an ad to sell an iPhone on the popular online website and then arranged to meet a prospective buyer in a McDonald’s parking lot.
When the two parties met, the buyer got into the couple’s BMW and then pulled a gun on the sellers.
“During the potential sale of that cellphone, the suspect produced a gun and tried to rob them of the cellphone and cash,” San Diego police Lt. Paul Rorrison said.
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There was a struggle inside the vehicle between the three people and the gun fired, officials said.
The sellers, a man and a woman, each suffered non-life-threatening gunshot wounds and drove themselves to a hospital.
Investigators have not released a suspect description.
A similar crime occurred in Paradise Hills more than a year ago, but instead of suffering superficial wounds, the victim was shot and killed.
Rashon Abernathy, 18, Seandell Jones, 19, and Shaquille Jordan, 18, were convicted last month in the May 2011 death of Garrett Berki, 18, of Pacific Beach.
The three teenagers lured Berki with a Craigslist ad offering a laptop computer then robbed him of $600 and drove away. After Berki chased after the suspects, he was shot sitting behind the wheel of his car.
A jury convicted the teens of first-degree murder, robbery and shooting.
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Low lifes shot them all. SOBs go grt a job and tstop being freeloaders.
Goodbye Craigslist... I won't sell or buy anything anymore. The world has just gotten too @!$%#ed-up to chance either transaction.
It is horrible when people have to stoop this low for material possession like an iphone or a laptop. Is nothing to them? I hope for these people they are put in a high security jail and they lock them up and throw away the key. It is a privilege to live free in the United States and they gave up that right when they acted like pure base criminals.
Where's the NRA when you need them?
If only all fast food employees were armed to the teeth this wouldn't be an issue. More guns.....we need more guns!
Happiness is a warm gun.
There's nothing wrong with using the site. Events like this are rare compared to the amount of successful transactions that take place.
Look, if you're meeting people in a public place to be safe, DON'T LET THEM IN YOUR CAR. And not to be skeptical but iPhone sounds like a really good cover story for drug deal gone bad. Why would you need to sell the phone in your car?
I get your sarcasm NevadaJ (I think). This happened in the parking lot. I believe the employees are inside serving up the fries and burgers.
An iPhone is a tracking device. They should have given him the iPhone, called the cops and then track the the thief. Putting your iPhone above your life as a priority is just dumb.
The headline on MSN's front page said "sale of iphone turns deadly". ?? If they didn't die, (thankfully), who or what did....the phone?
I wish this bunch of amateur writers would do some sort of proof reading or at the very least, get facts straight before posting. Being "first" to report, loses it's credibility when everything you report is mis-typed or wrong. Sheeesh!
An Apple product like an Iphone, Ipod or Ipad is only track able if the owner has set up the feature with their personal Apple ID. I'm guessing if they were selling it, they would have reset the IPhone to factory default which would have reset the tracking feature to unused. If the thief took it, they would have to activate the feature with their ID, only then would the chance of tracking it be remotely available.
Ban iPhones! THEY KILL PEOPLE!!!
Also ban Craigslist! It's too dangerous!
BAN CRAIGSLIST...... if it save even ONE LIFE...............
That's why if you want to sell something valuable, you insist that the sale take place in a building, mall or location with cameras. Not a parking lot.
As usual people blame anything and everything except the one single thing responsible. Craigslist did not kill these people, another human being did. The gun he used did not kill these people, the human being using (or should I say misusing) the firearm did the killing. The cell phone being sold did not fire the gun that killed these people, again it was the criminal holding the gun that went to the meeting that did killing.
To sum it up: Craigslist does not kill, cell phones do not kill, and last but not least guns do not kill, in situations like this it takes a misguided/deranged human being. In short stop pulling an Obama and make the criminal responsible for his/her actions and make the punishment so horrific that even the hardened criminal will think twice about killing. Perhaps something like public executions done in a manner as to inflict the maximum amount of pain and suffering would be a good start?
Anrkist; so you think drug dealers use Craigslist? I've never used Craigslist (or Suzys or Billys list either), don't you need to set up an account? I'm guessing you assumed there was no Craigslist ad - that should be simple to verify.
Back when I was buying weed - the last person I'd cross would be the person I wanted to be my supplier. Finding a good dealer is no simple task in many parts of the country.
Maybe I watch too much "Worlds Dumbest Criminals" - but dealing where cameras are watching the parking lot, not likely.
I also don't use "Facebook", or Assbook, or Toesbook either - if I have to make one more Password in my lifetime, I'm gonna puke.
Ernie; ever hear of who, what, where, when, and why? When detectives ask "what" killed the person - the answer would be the bullet from a gun, if that is what was used. When someone fires a bomb in war - the bomb does the killing. That tired old line that guns don't kill - is pure desperation to justify your wants.
It's a mistake that you forgot to carry your own gun. Luckily, you still have another chance. Learn your lesson. It's still a wild west here, cops are not with you 24 hour.
Be smart and learn your 2nd amendment
Wonder why?
Never meet outside, always do your business inside a public place, your life is worth more than anything you are selling. Here is Nevada you can do your business in the Police station, can't beat that for security.
I think its a mistake to not handle things through the mail, why do you have to meet in person? Sam that is a good idea, meet in a protected place.
"Craigslist"? I think Craig should be held responsible. Where can we find this Craig guy? :)
If it were mandatory for all adults to openly carry guns - this stuff would not be happening.... Those people may still be alive and the shooter dead!!!
Open carry laws in my state are crap. You have the right to open carry, but if you do you will constantly be harrassed by the police and people will constantly be calling the police on you, it's not worth it. That's why in my state, almost no gun owner open carries and my state is a shall issue, so it's super hard to apply for a concealed carry and even harder to get approved.
a friend of mine almost got robbed at gunpoint when trying to sell jewelry through CL. good thing he's a fighter and fought off the thug. except now he has PTSD because of it. and I've heard of many others being killed because of buyers through CL too. sick world we live in with sick people. =/
Craigslist can be a risky place to sell if not careful.
or buy, so simply dont.
of if you plan to buy or sell anything meet someone in a place like a malls food court like i did when i sold my girls old cell phone.
Mall food courts aren't so safe these days, either.
Taintted - Agree with you 100%...If they'd decided to meet inside the McD's instead of in their car in the parking lot, I doubt this would have happened.
23 skiddo says"
"Goodbye Craigslist... I won't sell or buy anything anymore. The world has just gotten too @!$%#ed-up to chance either transaction."
So, a classified ad or ebay is safer? Posting an ad on the bulletin board at the grocery store?
Or are you saying you are never going to sell or buy anything, ever again?
That's kind of dumb.
But then again, our Corporate Overlords would prefer you buy all your bling from them, brand new, and then throw it away when you no longer want it.
The point of this story was to take a simple crime and make it a "Craigslist" story. If this crime happened 20 years ago, would it be a "Classified Ads!" story? It would not even be a story.
Simple robbery gone wrong - not even worth mentioning in the national media.
Why is Craigslist not as safe as a classified ad, eBay, Autotrader, or an ad on the bulletin board at the Safeway?
Why are you cranking up the FEAR?
Fear is never an emotion to be trusted.
Someone once said to me that they throw away or give away stuff the no longer want, as they are "afraid" of selling things online.
"People will know where I live!" they say. Well, someone could just DRIVE BY YOUR HOUSE and know where you live. What's your point?
Some simple rules of safety apply when dealing with total strangers in any instance, esp. where money is involved. Yet, people get such a rush from selling,buying something that they ignore common sense. Never let someone off Craigslist come to your home; never give out your home number as a contact; meet during day light at a well-lighted and busy public locale, preferably where there are cameras, security and people walking past. This is not what America used to be like, but it is now, has been for more than a decade and forever will be. It's getting worse because so many Americans are just plain bad people and feel entitled to harm others, strangers and family. No way to walk it back. Look at all our entertainment ... we made this country over the past 30 years to be a hyper violent revolting place full of gun toting barbarians, where no one is safe. Our favorite tv shows are all about urban cops and violent death, emergency room doctors, and lawyers. Really? Safe bet that it is the lowlife underbelly of America that is so fascinated with entertainment about the lowlife underbelly of society.
Ban handguns.
Ban stupidity.
Mornin' Scooter, takenaka,
He would've used a brick if he didn't have a handgun so banning "moronic stupidity" is a better start than banning handguns.
gm Tramp, Creek Dog
Ban iPhones
The NRA released a statement saying, "if only the victims had been armed there could have been a higher body count".
Of course our society is going to have incidents of individuals trying to rob or steal from others, GUNS just make it far easier to steal AND to KILL.
GM Bill, Scooter and CD
This article tells me that CA has as many problems with morons has do the other 49 states and territories. There are way too many predators on Craig's list that should be a "clue", as they say in criminal justice! However, the belief of "it won't happen to me...." is the story that is prevalent in all victims rationalizations.
And to defend yourself
then how do i protect myself from a home invasion!!!! the police aren't able 2 stop crimes. just bumble mtrying to solve the: often putting innocents in jail due to their dishonest techniques. prosecutors only want to jack-up their cinviction rates 4 aself-serving reasons. 4 everyone falsesly convicted, a criminal is left on the streets to continue reaking havoc on society!!!
ban BMW's.....this article smells funny, i phone deal in a car?....
GM guys did ya catch barrys pick for his new ;gun rep;...check it out, and we thought ..we did some funny stuff on here....cant beat the pros i guess......biden?....bawawahahahahahahaha....
This person most likely used an illegally purchased/obtained gun. So he didn't care about any law to stop him, did he?
Banning cocaine, heroin and pot has worked so well and saved us all so much money in law enforcement, right?
Feinstein and Pelosi to lead charge in attempt at massive gun control overhaul. Oops, wonder if they will return all of the money they earned while California pension and retirement funds were reaping the rewards of all of the recent gun sales since they were heavily invested in gun manufacturers?? LMFAO
Yeah, criminals are well known for obeying the law.
right...............because he wouldnt have used a knife or other weapon (or a stolen firearm) to rob them? I really wished there was a simple answer but banning or even outlawing weapons is far from being a helpful solution. I mean, look how successful our "war on drugs" has been right?
I dont own a gun... I do see the interest when it is use in the correct situation such as sports and hunting. But banning guns probably wont work. By banning guns more people will obtain those guns illegally therefore harder to track them. Just like with any drugs, you ban them but some how they are still being distributed in the united states. There are a few ways to minimize gun violence is to have very very harsh punishment for those who use a gun during a crime. If you think about it, many of these criminals have nothing to lose... they know they will sit in jail for a long time and to most of them its fine with them. Having harsher punishments will make them think twice about using a gun. Death penalty comes to mind. Before you human rights bash me... think about it.. I rather have one criminal die then 20 children. Another way to ease the possible of gun violence is to limit each person to only one gun and that gun should not be a high powered gun. If you need a gun to protect yourself... i dont see a reason why you would need more than one gun?
Kayoss860
" If you need a gun to protect yourself... i dont see a reason why you would need more than one gun?"
The Constitution protects my right to own a gun. The first 10 amendments are called the "Bill of Rights", not the "Bill of Needs".
@takenaka Or teach gun safety and conceal carry. Banning any form of firearm will only take guns away from law abiding citizens who are willing to turn them over to the police. Just like drugs, guns of all kinds (including the already illegal fully automatics) will continue to be owned by criminals.
give it up Eric, its his daily stick, i figure he has his computer set to kick that out onto the comment section of any article that mentions the word gun. if they used the term firearm instead it would confuse him for weeks. ...
You may have something there, Tramp. What is Newsvine policy regarding bots?
then lets use the word firearms and stymie his response capability - it gets old, but it also gets me to chuckle every time I read Takenaka comments - like a broken record.
gm jack
Good idea. I can see the headlines now. "Hemorrhoid Operation Did Not Involve Firearms."
Eric, stop making sense, you'll just confuse the sheople.
Morning Bill, Jack, Tramp,
Takenaka is just busy as possibly trying to deflect from his countries atrocities against mankind, selling their women into slavery and nuking their own people while also sending fallout across the globe. It is going to hate and whine as much as possible.
Lesson - When meeting someone for a sale/purchase, the best place to meet - at the nearest police station - No joke.
And let the cops know why you're there.
at our local it would do no good. they are locked down like some kind of fortress. you want to talk to a cop you have to push a button and use a speaker with about the same sound quality as a 1960's drive in movie. hell if you got shot in the lobby they wouldn't know.
The police in my state have been sending out messages for the last several years that all are welcome to meet in any station parking lot. I would think that if you were in the parking lot of the police station someone with criminal intents would not bother to show up.
This is a great idea. Thanks!
Or you could go to a Dunkin Doughnuts, there are always cops there!
use eBay or other reputable place to sell, people will pay you in advance if you are a reputable seller.
Also. Why did the lead headline say it turned deadly?
daily anti-gun crusade
Really? Anti-gun crusade? More like anti-evil crusade against those in America who choose to use guns on others. It's either because they are psycho and armed or too lazy to pull their own weight and armed. Or both. Without weapons, people with a tendency to pull or use them are total pussies.
yes reality...really.....
.but dont worry Biden has been tasked to....bawahahahahaha......sorry cant help it its still too funny to...bawahahahaha
I was wondering that too,, How did two dead people drive themselves to the hospital,,. ?
must have been one of those new automatic "self driving" cars.
That always happens on MSNBC. You read one headline and click to read the article, and there's a different story altogether when you get to the page. Go figure...
You do have to give the entrepreneur some credit. Instead of relying on government stimulus packages they produced their own. Some inspiration there.
Simple solution - meet any potential Craigslist customers in your local police station.
Hannah Fontana, That is the best solution I've heard! Everyone in this country needs to follow your advice on this . The economy has gotten so bad that people are setting people up to be robbed pretending to be customers and leading them into dangerous situations like this story. With your idea, it will protect Craigslist sellers 100% . I doubt seriously if this guy would have pulled a gun on these people in a police station.Thanks for sharing this idea.
As a Brit who has lived and travelled in the US for 10 years, it is interesting to note that crimes like this occur in cities or states with a liberal bent, no pun intended. It is just the same here in the UK. I visited Chicago in March (unaware of it's reputation for crime - other than political!) and during my 5 or 6 days, every day, (according to minor articles in the newspapers), approximately 5 or 6 (black I assume) kids were shot dead.
My observation having lived in liberal cities is that liberals like to give criminals a good time, so they don't fear authority - knowing that liberals will come to their rescue. what a contrast to new york, where crime has fallen significantly since my lengthy visit in 1986 (fond memories) thanks to the "three strikes and you're out" law.
Oflife,
Correct you are. Most criminals have no job experience and even when they fill out a job application, they have to write that they "were" convicted of a felony and if they lie, the background check will get 'em so, they commit a crime with the intent of getting caught and if not (yet), they line their pockets with whatever they rob.
This way they're guaranteed food & board, 3 meals a day, cable TV, schooling, hanging out with the only friends they have or remember, etc... It's their way of job security... Fk'd up, ain't it?!
In America, the criminals have more rights than the citizens. Until there is an eye for an eye law, this will continue to happen....
Have a nice day...
Oflife, and Creek, you like to spew crap, so let me. I'd like you to check out the stats on god-fearing far right religious nuts in prison, most of which are screwed up republican types.
I thought liberals were anti-guns? This guy must've been republican, using his second amendment 'rights'.
How on earth do liberals give criminals a 'good time'? Please, elaborate. What do the rethuglicans do differently? New York isn't the utopia you think it is, quit fooling yourself, more gangs, more guns, more death. So much for Bloomberg, his record is getting shattered. You name one experience and you say there are 5 to 6 deaths everyday, but criminals are having a good time...Kinda doesn't make sense to me, unless you're really one twisted individual.
Criminals don't give 2 turds about politics, that's what makes them criminals.
On the other hand, rich republicans (most) made their money off the backs of the poor, the poor republican's make their money stealing from the rich ones using their own trick (guns). Good work, republican's. The vicious cycle continues.
Keep guns out of republican hands, or you might lose your iphone, or keep them and the US may just become a nice place to live eventually (when they wipe each other out). It would be fitting.
the chance of that happening is as slim as getting shot in the parking lot at the store
One thing doesn't help, is many people know of criminal activities and never report it. Many families keep quiet about criminal activity, when it is a loved one who is doing the crimes. If more people would report crime, even if it is a family member, they might make a difference, and possibly even save their loved ones from a life in prison or worse, if they were stopped early, before it leads to more serious things. They might save someone from being harmed by reporting criminal activity more.
Perhaps if punk ass parents step-up and stop their children from joining gangs and get these guns out of the hands of children, and turn in gang members, there will be a lot less murders happening period. WTF!!!! How many kids have to die in this country to violence before people recognize most of this can be solved if parents step up early on before their kids become murderers.
Maybe Its just me but the idea of meeting a total stranger in a parking lot while carrying either a large amount of money or something of high dollar value doesn't seem to bright.Maybe someone should open up a building where for a small fee you can meet and exchange these things. Have security ect. Probably to much insurance would be needed but its a thought.
Rick,
No, it's not just you. To do what these people did was not the brightest. They're about as smart as a box of hammers.
but the hammers serve a useful purpose....for instance i use mine to club people...saves on the cost of ammo.
More gun control will make people more decent.
and more spoon control will make them both thinner and cleaner.......
@ Joey, Do you mean like, "Please, give me your iPhone and cash, or I may become violent and be forced to take them from you." "More gun control will make people more decent." I seriously doubt it.
Might as well re-name Craig's List...."Son-of-Sam reincarnate List". I phone worth two lives? A world gone mad.
bAN THE iPHONE!!
Ban the 'CAP'S' key............
why use Craigs list when there is e=bay and it has buyer/sell protection pun intended :)
This is why people really need to use eBay a lot more. Yes there are fees but your not putting yourself in danger like this.
always meet in a public place, never inside of your car, home, dark alley....come on!! i can't believe folks don't realize that there are criminals out there planning their next move, don't be paranoid, but be smart.
None of this would have happened w/o Craigslist so we should ban craigslist. Oh wait, maybe it was the iPhone's fault. Maybe we should ban iPhones.
This never would have happened if Apple didn't invent the i-phone, so it's their fault.
Let's ban banning.
Ban criminals.
Did I miss something? When did shooting someone for an appliance become normal?