School abuse victim wins $23 million in damages

LOS ANGELES -- A former student in Los Angeles was awarded $23 million in damages Tuesday for sexual abuse he endured at the hands of his elementary school teacher.

A Los Angeles Superior Court jury deliberated for less than five hours before finding in favor of the teen.

The lawsuit, filed on his behalf in October 2009, concerned abuse by Forrest Stobbe, the boy's fifth-grade teacher at Queen Anne Elementary School in the Mid-Wilshire area.


Stobbe was sentenced to 16 years in prison after pleading no contest to criminal charges in the case in 2011. He had been arrested in 2010, when he was 39.

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The jury on Tuesday apportioned 30 percent of the fault, or about $6.9 million, to the former Los Angeles Unified School District student.  The remaining fault was apportioned to Stobbe, but he had been dismissed as a defendant in the case, according to the plantiff's attorney, Stephen Estey.

The district will have to pay a $3 million deductible to its insurer, which will cover the remaining $3.9 million portion of the award, according to Sean Rossall, a spokesman for LAUSD's Office of General Counsel.

"The district is still evaluating whether an appeal is warranted in this case," Rossall said.

Stobbe abused the boy 10 to 15 times in the classroom during the 2008-9 school years, and another five times during the summer of 2009, according to Estey.

LAUSD General Counsel David Holmquist said in a statement: “Although we can't change what happened in this case, we remain committed to doing everything in our power to promote healing and improve trust with those impacted."

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The absurdity of these kinds of jury awards is evident to everyone except, I guess, the jury.

Welcome to lala land.

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Reply#2 - Wed Dec 19, 2012 7:54 AM EST

You do understand the basics of this right? As a CHILD he was sexually assaulted by an authority figure AT THE SCHOOL. The school district will only have to pay $3 million, the rest to be paid by their insurance policy. Only $6.9 million will actually be paid in total. I'd be more outraged that the jury actually decided a 5th grader was 30% at fault! How can a child have any fault in being sexually assaulted?!? It is obvious you read only the headline and posted your own ideas on jury awards w/o benefit of reading the article, or knowledge of how such an award would be paid. In most cases, large awards are never recovered, because either the defendant doesn't have the money or the insurance coverage. He may have been awarded $23 million, but he isn't going to collect that much. Had he just sued the teacher, he likely would be unable to collect a dime. Headlines showing huge jury awards may generate a lot of traffic, but recovering that much is almost impossible. Just ask Fred Goldman, who has been trying for decades to get money from OJ. Plus most, if not every, State has limits on how long you can attempt to collect. Most are 20 years. After that, unless you can prove the defendant was hiding money, you can't collect anything. No wonder our society is in such bad shape when people have no idea what the laws are, and how the court system operates.

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#2.1 - Wed Dec 19, 2012 9:21 AM EST

The amounts of these awards are based purely on emotion, not any kind of logic. In reality, most of these high dollar awards end up being quietly reduced later. There are appeals filed and the plaintiffs are left with a decision of accepting a lower amount or facing potentially years of protracted litigation in appeals. The plaintiff's own attorneys frequently pressure the plaintiffs to accept a lower amount to get thing settled to avoid having to pour many more hours into the case and knowing the award will likely get knocked down anyway. The attorneys know that the odds are against them with these high dollar awards once they get to the appeals level where they are dealing with reasoning judges, not emotional juries. The appeals court judges knock down these absurd award amounts to reasonable levels, or the parties settle on a lower number, but the public rarely ever hears about it.

@CelticPagan - The 30% fault was leveled against the LA schools, not the kid. It is clearly a typo in the article based on reading the entire thing. Please use some common sense and understand the quality of the reporting/editing on this site is not what it should be.

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#2.2 - Wed Dec 19, 2012 10:03 AM EST
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Who wouldn't take one in the arse for $23,000,000?

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#2.3 - Wed Dec 19, 2012 10:19 AM EST

@CelticPagan- 30% fault was on the teacher, NOT the abused student!

    #2.4 - Wed Dec 19, 2012 11:41 AM EST

    Actually it says 30% is the school's fault and the rest is on the teacher. That's why he'll probably only collect $6.9 million that the school is paying and none of what the teacher owes.

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    #2.5 - Wed Dec 19, 2012 1:51 PM EST
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    Money never solves the problem. Stricter laws is only answer.

      Reply#3 - Wed Dec 19, 2012 7:55 AM EST

      Ray,

      Money is "past tense". In other words, "too late". The abuse already happened. (like you didn't know this LOL)

      Stricter laws will only teach the pedophiles to go farther out of their way to not get caught although, I do agree with you.

      • 3 votes
      #3.1 - Wed Dec 19, 2012 8:12 AM EST

      OMGosh I can't believe that they found an elementary school kid "30% responsible for his abuse"! That's insane, he was a child!!!

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      #3.2 - Wed Dec 19, 2012 12:07 PM EST
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      we remain committed to doing everything in our power to promote healing and improve trust with those impacted."

      Like what?. To me this is just blah blah blah.

      • 3 votes
      Reply#4 - Wed Dec 19, 2012 7:56 AM EST

      I'm not taking anything away from the boy who was abused, however, $23 million seems excessive. I guess it's to make a point.

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      Reply#5 - Wed Dec 19, 2012 8:06 AM EST

      Does anyone really think the school system pays for this?

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      #5.1 - Wed Dec 19, 2012 8:12 AM EST

      Letusreason, have to agree. The schools get money from taxes from the people who live in that state. Maybe they will take money out of the lottery. That money that people pay to play is supposed to go to education.

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      #5.2 - Wed Dec 19, 2012 8:41 AM EST

      Robert, a messily $3 million will be paid by the school district. Another $3.9 million will be paid by their insurance policy. That's it. $3 million from a school district the size of LA's is a drop in the bucket, and as you point out, much will come from the lottery, not tax-payers. So a person while in Fifth Grade who was sexually assaulted by his teacher on school property is going to get all of $6.9 million for having to endure that at the age of ELEVEN. Yeah, he's getting way too much for having his innocence raped, literally, from him. Where's the compassion for the victim? Where were the other school officials while these 10-15 assaults took place? This was in an Elementary School, not a huge HS. No one could hear or see? My Elementary school, which I started in 40 years ago, still has huge nearly floor to ceiling windows that look into a court shared by at least 2 other classrooms and the main hall. No teacher could have done this without someone seeing, and while thick, the doors are not soundproof. Unless the elementary school where this teen attended was built more like a jail than a school, someone should have seen and/or heard what was going on and checked. Sounds more like it was like Penn State, where an assault was witnessed, but nothing done beyond telling a higher up. Most States, including CA require teachers to report any suspicion of abuse, be it at home or elsewhere, including the school. These attacks didn't take place in a vacuum, but an active school. If the school district wants to avoid such awards in the future, then they should screen their teachers better and train them to spot and report such abuse immediately and the schools must call the police as soon as it is suspected. The fact that this case took from 2009 till now to be finalized with an award means the school district fought it, and you only fight if you are trying to hide something. They could have settled any time, and for a lot less, especially if they truly had the child's best interest at heart.

      What I find outrageous is that the jury actually found an 11 year old 30% accountable for being raped! No one, no matter the age, much less a child, is ever at fault for being raped. Maybe the LA DA should look into this jury to see why they don't believe this common sense thing? Do they have sympathy with the rapist? That is disgusting, but they said as much in open court by finding an 11 YO was 30% at fault. Sickening!

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      #5.3 - Wed Dec 19, 2012 9:42 AM EST

      !

        #5.4 - Wed Dec 19, 2012 11:43 AM EST

        Celtic-so a child molested in a wealthy school district should get $23m or more. What about the child that gets molested in a poor rural school district on receieves $23k?? Same crime. Oh and reread the story with regards to the 30% so you stop making a fool of yourself...

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        #5.5 - Wed Dec 19, 2012 2:29 PM EST

        While there may be an error in the story, read what it says carefully. It DOES say: "copied and pasted direct from the story): "The jury on Tuesday apportioned 30 percent of the fault, or about $6.9 million, to the former Los Angeles Unified School District student. [emphasis mine} The remaining fault was apportioned to Stobbe, but he had been dismissed as a defendant in the case, according to the plantiff's attorney, Stephen Estey."

        I have NO idea, if that part of the story is true, how you ascribe 30 percent of fault in a case like this to a 10-11 year old child.

        All that said, the 23 million figure doesn't mean much except a headline.

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        #5.6 - Wed Dec 19, 2012 3:00 PM EST
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        $23 million? Seriously, look I feel SORRY for the kid, i really do, but that amount is excessive.

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        Reply#6 - Wed Dec 19, 2012 9:01 AM EST

        "The jury on Tuesday apportioned 30 percent of the fault, or about $6.9 million, to the former Los Angeles Unified School District student"

        Am I reading that right? Does it seriously say that the student is 30% responsible for being attacked by this molester? The child was 10 years old for crying out loud! I find that revolting!

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        Reply#7 - Wed Dec 19, 2012 9:12 AM EST

        I reread that 3 times just to make sure I wasn't missing something. Now that I know it says that, I am sure I am missing something! A 10 year old is 30% responsible?!?!

          #7.1 - Wed Dec 19, 2012 10:34 AM EST

          I think the word student is a mistake... it has to be.

            #7.2 - Wed Dec 19, 2012 11:04 AM EST

            The district is paying the 30% so I have to believe the word student shouldn't have been in there.

              #7.3 - Wed Dec 19, 2012 1:53 PM EST
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              There are grandmothers and grandfathers that work 50 years of their life and barely make 2 million in a lifetime. Some have been raped, abused, murdered, violated, victims, worked two jobs, took care of large families, and what did they get? NOTHING! These lawsuits make me sick to my stomach. Let's put 23 million into perspective. That's $8,846.15 a week (or $37,153.84 a month) for the next 50 years. (A lifetime of work) I am sorry this kid was abused but $37K a month for 50 years??? Come on!!

              People have been getting abused for centuries and they never got 23 million? A better scenario would be to put the man in jail for 50 years and give the kid a trust fund of a reasonable amount. There are millions of people that have been abused. Quit it with these ridiculous lawsuits.

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              Reply#9 - Wed Dec 19, 2012 9:21 AM EST

              RR I'd bet just about anything that you'd be the first guy running to get money if you were raped and abused as a child...so stop acting holier than thou.... people like you... who have NO idea what these kids went through...disgust me.

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              #9.1 - Wed Dec 19, 2012 12:09 PM EST

              It does seem like an outrageous amount of money, but as others have pointed out, he'll likely only receive a fraction of that.

              More importantly, though - the dollar amount should be enough to be an incentive for changes to be made. It sucks that the taxpayers are ultimately on the hook for this - but doesn't that give them reason to demand changes to prevent this from happening again?

                #9.2 - Wed Dec 19, 2012 1:49 PM EST

                I am not familiar with this case, so this is my own opinion, for what it is worth....

                Sadly, in this world, children have been abused and are being abused. It is a sick reality.

                Sadly, children sometimes lie about these events. I know of two cases personally where a child had "repressed memories" and came forward and accused a family member only to later retract their statements. Unfortunately, the damage had been done to the accused.

                Now, I know this doesn't happen very often, but, if the media continues to write articles like this and show on TV large awards of money given to child abuse victims, what is to stop other people from coming forward and "accusing" someone of abusing them only seeking to get a pay out? I know child abuse isn't funny, it is horrific, but what if someone accuses you of something you never did just so a "victim" can get some money? I really think these jury awards should be kept secret, only in the court files.

                And, yes, I do believe that legitimate victims need to be compensated for their injuries.

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                #9.3 - Wed Dec 26, 2012 3:55 PM EST

                Willie Smith, gay does not mean pedophile, whether married or single. Pedophiles also attack the opposite sex. The AGE of the VICTIMS determines the classification of the predator. Talk about being misinformed!

                On another note, to all who would ridicule those commenting on the absurdity of finding the child 30% responsible, the article does state, and I quote, "The jury on Tuesday apportioned 30 percent of the fault, or about $6.9 million, to the former Los Angeles Unified School District student." (Emphasis is mine.) Ridicule the article if you will, (or proof reader), but not the people, who, like me, read and re-read that paragraph, stunned at the notion a child (or adult, for that matter) could be responsible for their own rape. As for excess regarding the award, what price do you put on stolen innocence? What if it was your child? Mute points, as, like previously stated by many others, the jury award will never be paid in full.

                  #9.4 - Mon Dec 31, 2012 1:10 AM EST
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                  This is not a "GAY" issue this is a "PEDOPHILE" issue, which is why normally these individuals seem to target professions in the Catholic Church. Not being married and being kind to children, overly kind to children is right in their wheel house. Perhaps better background screenings and some physiological testing prior to employment should be step one. I know you can never weed all the bad seeds out but its a first step in the right direction to protect the innocence of a child that can NEVER be replaced.

                  The award of the court is excessive as well, its hard to put a price on innocence but you cannot in right mind think that this is a just settlement either.

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                  Reply#10 - Wed Dec 19, 2012 9:26 AM EST

                  wow, 30% at fault on the boy's behalf. So basically, this is how the law works... get molested at the age of 10 and you are automatically 30% at fault if you press charges. If you don't press charges, you get 0% at fault and suffer for the rest of your life. This country have so many broken systems.

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                  Reply#11 - Wed Dec 19, 2012 9:31 AM EST

                  Forrest Stobbe should be dead. Instead he gets room and board for a few years and the stupid taxpayers get screwed out of $23,000,000. Our version of "justice".

                    Reply#12 - Wed Dec 19, 2012 9:36 AM EST

                    Don't worry, general population really, really doesn't like pedos. He'll get enough of what he gave that it'll be justice the way many people want it to be.

                      #12.1 - Wed Dec 19, 2012 12:06 PM EST

                      your kidding right...."the general population doesn't like pedos"....lol....THE general population are ALL pedos.....!!! He will fit right in and they will teach each other how to not get caught next time.

                      Sad sad sad

                        #12.2 - Wed Dec 26, 2012 3:58 PM EST
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                        We need more pedophiles in jail. In many states, a person who uses illegal drugs, hurting only himself, gets more prison time than sick, child-molesting bastards. (Unless they are sick, child-molesting, drug-using, bastards.) Then they will get more time for the drugs, than hurting the child.

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                        Reply#13 - Wed Dec 19, 2012 10:26 AM EST

                        I agree. That has always puzzled me. It should definitely be the other way around, in every state.

                          #13.1 - Wed Dec 19, 2012 6:01 PM EST
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                          I find the jury 30% stupid for thinking a 10 year old 30% responsible for his abuse.

                            Reply#14 - Wed Dec 19, 2012 10:35 AM EST

                            heatherns....to do that to children. Woe unto all of them.

                              Reply#15 - Wed Dec 19, 2012 10:36 AM EST

                              Nothing quite like a California teacher tutoring their student...part of the liberal education don't you know...

                                Reply#16 - Wed Dec 19, 2012 10:44 AM EST

                                So being a pedophile is a liberal thing?

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                                #16.1 - Wed Dec 19, 2012 11:16 AM EST

                                @Dee- Seriously? Now these comments are just borderline wrong. Just pulling these things out of thin air. Extreme paranoia and blaming will only get you so far, before you actually have to base your comment around fact.

                                  #16.2 - Wed Dec 19, 2012 6:13 PM EST
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                                  Comment author avatarMuneeb Ahmadvia Facebook

                                  The article is obviously in error. The 30% blame does not go to the student but to the School District. Hence the payment of $6.9 by the school district.

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                                  Reply#17 - Wed Dec 19, 2012 11:57 AM EST

                                  Thank you for your application of logic and your fore-knowledge of the pitiful editing at MSNBC. I used to get "outraged" (most overused word on this site) regarding the lack of editing and sometimes incoherent stories published here, and I have the emails and responses to prove it. The sheeple on this site, regardless of thread, get hooked on one aspect of a story, erroneous or not, and then cannot see the forest for the trees.

                                  The pedophile should have "pedophile" tattooed on his forehead before being sent to prison; that would increase the probability of him being shanked and relieving society of its burden and future burden. Pedophiles don't get better, and likely this wasn't his first crime nor will it be his last when he gets out early on "good behavior". If he survives and gets out with his Phd. (Prison Habitation Degree) majoring in enticement and body disposal, he'll be even harder to catch.

                                  The victim is 0% culpable. As Bugs Bunny would say, "what a bunch of maroons".

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                                  #17.1 - Wed Dec 19, 2012 12:38 PM EST
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                                  I am curious as to how a child could get abused so many times and not a single person knew about this or did anything. A teacher has a class of about 20+ kids how and why was this kid singled out? Maybe I missed some info in the article. What happened to this child is horrific and can't be taken back but there seems to be some holes in the story.

                                    Reply#18 - Wed Dec 19, 2012 3:54 PM EST

                                    Looks to me like they are saying that because the school district was considered 30% responsible. (And that is what the LAWYERS were going after)

                                    I understand that this is a sensative topic, but the 10 year old will heal and now his parents are rich. Does this really warrent this large of a settlement? I mean, the kid had some damages yes, but come on. You are LOTTO millionaire #whatever is getting a little out of hand. Give the kids some counselling, a few hundred thousand and call it a day. Next.

                                      Reply#19 - Wed Dec 19, 2012 7:47 PM EST

                                      This is an obscene amount of money in spite of the heinous crime. Judges and juries are giving away money without pause for reflection. Oh, sorry, it goes to the lawyers. Well, that explains the pockets.

                                        Reply#20 - Thu Dec 20, 2012 12:14 AM EST

                                        He should not be able to collect any money until he is 21 so his parents dont have acess to it, and the molester go to prison 20 years at a prison in the deep south and have to work the fields to grow his own food to eat instead of TAXPAYERS PAYING FOR GUYS LIKE THIS 3 SQUARES AND FREE HEALTH CARE with no parole ever granted WE PAY OUT TO MUCH TAX DOLLARS TO PRISONERS THAT HAVE A BETTER LIFE THEN A LOT OF AMERICANS DO AMERICA NEEDS A CHANGE IN THEIR LAWS

                                          Reply#21 - Thu Dec 20, 2012 2:27 AM EST

                                          No money but free mental health care for life....

                                            Reply#22 - Tue Dec 25, 2012 2:01 PM EST

                                            @Love the Sunshine: Most people would not go to the lengths necessary to file false reports for money. Most false reports are made by children who are pouting for not getting their way, or parents who are trying to undermine the other in custody cases. The amount of abuse the VICTIMS have to endure on the witness stand is enough to keep all but the most strong hearted from ever reporting the truth.

                                            Also, the general populations in prisons are not all "pedos", as you put it. Pedophiles are not the only people populating our penal systems. There are offenders of all types, from white collar criminals to murderers.

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