What horrifies me most in some ways is how high this guy's kill rate was. I realize he was trained in target shooting, but I grew up among hunters. To have just two wounded adults survive and no wounded children tells me that his ammo was particularly destructive. Whatever he was using must have torn their bodies to pieces. It is very rare that we hear of a mass shooting where the kills outnumber the wounded - shooting people with any precision is actually kind of hard, and even if someone is hit in a vital organ, their odds of survival are decent if help comes quickly enough - with normal bullets. These were clearly more destructive than the average bullet.

(I wonder how the NRA will bill such bullets as "vital" to our 2nd Amendment freedoms.)

I cannot imagine how helpless the first responders must have felt and how devastating it must have been for them and the survivors.

Sad... that some seeds on Newsvine are topics that tell of radical and extremist groups who have used this horrific tragedy to promote their political or religious agenda.

But... in the moment of crises... the GOODNESS, and concern of the First Responders prevailed.

There is our lesson... no need for the negative comments.

Jrz,

The victims were shot between 3-9 times each. There were 4 empty mags of .40 cal found in the school, so that's 40 rounds right there, plus the mags in the pistols is another 20 rounds, and probably loaded with personal defense rounds which cause maxium destruction. The AR has a 30 round mag. No reports I've seen say how many AR Mags were found. More than one was most likely used. They were all sitting ducks. They had no way to defend themselves because they were abiding by the law. I have no doubt that one of those teachers or administrators would have done something if they had a means of defending against an armed inturder. Even a few police officers stationed at the school could have stopped it. Schools are an easy target because the crazies know that no one will be able to defend against them. Have you ever heard of a mass shooting at a gun show or gun store? How about a shooting competition? No, the answer is no, because no one in any mindset would even try, because there would be people to fight back.

Have you ever heard of a mass shooting at a gun show or gun store? How about a shooting competition? No, the answer is no, because no one in any mindset would even try, because there would be people to fight back.

These aren't soft targets. Even if every person there was unarmed, they aren't soft targets. The power fantasy these killers have makes them target soft targets. That means schools, shopping malls, restaurants, and any place families are likely to gather. Gun shows and shops aren't a traditional family event. They're a white male event.

RI Mom

Sad... that some seeds on Newsvine are topics that tell of radical and extremist groups who have used this horrific tragedy to promote their political or religious agenda.

I assume RI Mom your speaking of Obama with all the grandstanding he is doing and using this tragedy as a reason to enforce gun control on the American People.

Pragmatic,

That's a very racist comment. I have been to 100's of gun shows, and there are just as many black people there as white. There are asians and hispanics too. Even middle easterners. There are also tons of women at the shows. You should visit a few so you can have some actual intellegence on the subject.

You should visit a few so you can have some actual intellegence on the subject.

I have. I'm generalizing. There aren't a lot of kids there. There aren't a lot of women there. As compared to, say, a restaurant, shopping mall, or school. And I also don't think you ought to be so sensitive. Caucasians still represent the majority race in the US. It's not racist to say that they are the majority who attend gun shows.

I think most of the stories on Sandy states that the shooter used an AR-15 for the killings and shot each several times. So even though a .223 can be a very damaging ammo as any other ammo, mulitiple shots I think is why the amount of survivals were so low. As a Veteran with a tour in Iraq the .556 and .223 are small compared to the 7.62 AK47 ammo but what makes this wartime ammo so dangerous is the fact that it tumbles more then it really spins as in typical ammo. Plus these are mostly combat rounds which means, most of the .223 and .556 rounds are full metal jackets and not lead like typical hunting rounds

Pragmatic,

White people according to the US Census Buerau make up 70% of the population. That includes hispanics as they are not identified as a race. I wouldn't have had a problem with your comment if you had said it was a majority white male event. Instead you make it out to sound like gun shows are only for white people. I don't know what part of the country you live in, but in here in the south the gun shows are near civic centers, mass transit, and fair grounds, which typically are in or on the outskirts of predominately black neighborhoods. I see more than a just the token black person at the gun shows.

1.5

Answer:

NOPE

I don't know what part of the country you live in, but in here in the south the gun shows are near civic centers, mass transit, and fair grounds, which typically are in or on the outskirts of predominately black neighborhoods. I see more than a just the token black person at the gun shows.

Up here in the north, they are held in civic centers deep in the semi-rural and rural areas. No mass transit and it's a 100:1 white male event. But I've only been to two and I wasn't exactly taking a census.

Some people tried on doing the same thing over and over again, expecting different results. Albert Einstein was correct on that. People keep pounding on gun control, but in this instance, no amount of gun control would have stop this nutcase. If that school had an effective security in place, students and faculty could have been saved. Let's not play politics here -with our children's safety. We need a security that is second to none at our schools now! The children need the best protection that we can provide.

Reference

1.5 AngryWhitemale

I know that I am in in the majority of Americans who would not give a gun to someone who identifies themselves as AngryWhitemale

But since AngryWhitemale challenged me.... I'll clue AngryWhitemale in on where the real grandstanding is coming from:

Tea Party Nation Attacks Teachers over CT School Shooting

Video: Huckabee Doubles Down, Blaming Contraception Now for Sandy Hook Massacre

Conservative Magazine Says Shooting Caused By 'Too Many Women' At School | Addicting Info

Westboro Baptist Church Members Say They Will Protest In Sandy Hook -- Members reported on Twitter that they would protest Sandy Hook Elementary School. Reddit members have already begun planning a counter protest.

Rep. Jason Chaffetz walks back comments on gun control and mental illness

Tea Party Group Blames Connecticut Shooting On Teachers, Unions, And Sex | ThinkProgress

B T W:
This is easy for me,
Your AR-15
or
My Child

usnret08 is correct, the 5.56 Nato when fired from the Stoner design, M-16/M-16A1 and variants, such as the AR-15 does have a different characteristic from most other rounds. I was a Armorer in the US Army shortly after the M-16 was adopted, this was one of the things we learned. In previous individual weapons, such as the M-1 Rifle, M-1 Carbine, which used the .30 cal and .30 cal carbine round until the later production, and the M-14 which along with the last M1A3 rifles which a few used the 7.62 Nato, which is slightly shorter, the projectile spins through the target, along the entire trajectory, unless interrupted. Whereas, the 5.56 Nato, spins until striking the target, then tumbles end over end, offsetting the effect of the heavier round, creating a similar trama. There are some other characteristics, but we won't get into that, here. The .30 cal rifle is the civilian counterpart of the 30.06, the .30 cal carbine is the same as civilian, the 7.62 Nato is the .308, and 5.56 Nato is the .223, all common ammunition, in many variants.

I also have been to 100 gun shows. Excuse me, how are you? That was my first gun dad gave me, and on and on. The most polite and downright friendly atmosphere anywhere! Met some great "friends" told and heard great stories. There are more rude and offensive people at stores and even churches for that matter. Quit painting gun owners as psycho right wing extremists we are the best friend you never had.

We need a security that is second to none at our schools now!

Who pays? In an era of ferocious anti-tax rhetoric, raising taxes to protect children may be a hard sell (because raising taxes is a hard sell.)

Two shooters caught.

One seen running from building, chased by police. Seen on this aerial videotape starting at 7.30 min

Another apprehended outside school, “proned out.” (Can be heard on Police radio)

–See UPDATE immediately below article.

by Henry Makow Ph.D.

The aftermath of the Newtown school massacre is beginning to resemble the 9-11 false flag.

The local police dispatch tape carries a report that a teacher saw two shooters running away from the scene. (3.25)

According to George Freund, “First officers in the school report the patsy dead. He may very well have been killed by the two fleeing men who were probably the whack team.

“Police also report finding a shotgun. How do you carry a rifle, a shotgun, two pistols, and all sorts of ammo with two hands and kill so many people. You are obviously NOT alone.

“There were two escaping persons. The police appear to confront them. There is someone taken into custody. The alleged shooter is found dead. The police supervisor says the ‘DRILL’ word corresponding to the princpal’s tweet of a drill. “

The presence of other shooters may explain why the killer, Adam Lanza, 20, was wearing a mask, flack jacket and military fatigues. This is so he couldn’t be distinguished from the other shooters. If he had intended to kill himself, he wouldn’t have needed a disguise.

As with 9-11, when Osama Bin Laden was blamed immediately, the culprit this time was guns. A chorus of calls for gun control went up from Barack Obama and his Illuminati Jewish handlers like Mayor Bloomberg of NY.

Illuminati Jewish mouthpieces like Huffpost are going ballistic.

Mind control. Mass hypnosis. Operant conditioning. Brain entrainment. That’s what we’re talking about here.

We’re so conditioned to how television covers life that we rarely step back and take notice.

In the case of massive disasters and crimes, network news rules the roost.

First, the premiere anchors, who are managing editors of their own broadcasts, give themselves the go signal. They will leave their comfortable chairs and travel to the scene of crime. “It’s that big.”

The anchors lend gravitas. Their mere presence lets the audience know this story trumps all other news of the moment. That’s the first hypnotic cue and suggestion.

Of course, the anchors were not in Newtown, Connecticut, as reporters. They weren’t there to dig up facts. Their physical presence at the Sandy Hook School and in the town was utterly irrelevant.

They could have been doing their newscasts from their studios in New York. Or from a broom closet.

But much better to be standing somewhere in Newtown. It imparts the sense of crisis to the viewing millions.

At the same time, the anchors are also there to give assurance. The subliminal message they transmit is: whatever has happened here is controllable.

The audience knows the anchors will provide the meaning and the official voice of the tragedy. The anchors are, in a way, priests, intoning their benediction to the suffering and their elegies to the dead.

This is what the audience expects, and this is what they get.

This expectation, in fact, is so deep that anything else would be considered an insult, a moral crime.

For example, suppose a network suddenly shifted gears and began interviewing police and residents and asking tough questions about contradictions in the official scenario. Suppose that became the primary focus. Suppose the tone became argumentative, in the interest of, God forbid, the truth.

In other words, in a jarring shift of perspective, the anchors began asking questions to seek answers. What a concept.

No, a priest doesn’t browbeat a parishioner. He takes confession and then offers a route to redemption.

But if, by some miracle, these anchors launched a quest for truth, the whole scene would devolve into uncertainty and even chaos.

“First, there was a man in the woods. You people chased him. You pinned him down and brought him back into town. Who is he? What’s his name? Where is he? Is he under questioning? What are you asking him? What gave you a clue that he might be a second shooter? Come on. Talk to us. People want to know. We aren’t going anywhere. We want some answers.”

This is called reporting, a foreign enterprise to these blown-dried kings and queens of media news.

“Sir, I know ABC definitively reported there was a second shooter. They said you gave them that information. Where did you get it?…No, I’m sorry, that’s not an answer, that’s a non-sequitur.”

Those of us reporting online declare there is something amiss when the second-shooter story is dropped like a hot potato…and we are called conspiracy theorists.

Get it? Trying to ask relevant questions becomes conspiracy only because the major media didn’t do their job in the first place.

“Sir, was it one gun found in trunk of the car or three? Show me the car. Yes. Let’s see it. I want to get the license plate. Excuse me? The car is what, some kind of state secret? I don’t think so. There are twenty dead children in that school over there, and we want to get to the bottom of this. Take me to the car.”

It’s called an investigation. Reporters do that.

“Sir, your newspaper ran a story about a man’s body being found in Adam’s brother’s apartment. Then that became Adam’s mother found dead in her own house here in Newtown. What exactly happened there? A mistake? Wouldn’t you say that was a pretty big mistake? How did it happen? What’s that? Typical confusion in the early reporting of a crime? I don’t think so. Thinking a woman was a man and thinking he or she was found in New Jersey instead of Connecticut, that’s not typical at all. Did police find a man’s body. Speak up.”

Your typical American television viewer would cringe at such demanding questions. You know why? Because he has been entrained and conditioned by news anchors to refrain from digging below the surface. In other words, that viewer is hypnotized.

“Dr. Smith and Officer Jones, we understand that this boy, who was autistic, extremely shy, who had some sort of personality disorder, went into that school and methodically carried out the slaughter of twenty-seven people. In order for him to do that, he had to reload clips at least twice after the first clip ran out. Does that make sense? We’re not just talking about a violent outburst here, we’re talking about a methodical massacre. How do you explain that?”

If these anchors kept on asking questions like this, do you know what would happen? The viewing audience would begin to stir, would begin to break through their hypnotic programming and wake up.

“You know, he’s right. That doesn’t make sense. Maybe there really was a second shooter.”

“Or that Lanza kid…maybe he didn’t kill anybody at all.”

“What? You mean he was…set up?”

“Maybe he was a patsy.”

Yes. Instead of this kind of talk being consigned to “conspiracy nuts,” it actually becomes part of the evening news experience. Because reporters suddenly ask tough questions.

But no. We have to go with grief and shock. We have to lead with it and stay with it.

But that is an artificial construct. Yes, of course people in Newtown feel great shock and pain and loss and grief and horror, but the news producers are consciously moving minutes and hours of it through the tube and filtering out everything else.

They do this every time one of these events occurs, and so the audience expects it and soaks it in and, in that state of entrainment and hypnosis, the audience doesn’t want anything else…because anything else would BREAK THE FLOW and the spell, and the grief would no longer have the same impact.

Newtown is presented as a television event. From the outset, the mood is funereal. It has that tinge and coloration. The audience absorbs it and wants no intrusion on it.

This is Matrix programming.

The anchor is not only the priest, but also the teacher. He/she shows the audience how to experience the event and what to feel and what to think and how to act.

One of the great skills of an anchor is the ability to present the news seamlessly. This is what those big paychecks are for: the blends and segueways and the underlying tone of sincerity that bleeds into every detail of what is being reported.

That is also hypnotic. It sets up a frequency that moves into the brains of the audience. In those brains, it’s an Acceptance-frequency. It’s the mark of a great news anchor, to be able to transmit that and achieve it.

Scott Pelley (CBS) has only some of that. Diane Sawyer (ABC) is decidedly inconsistent in her ability to deploy it. Brian Williams (NBC) is the contemporary master. That’s why he’s been called the Walter Cronkite of the 21^st century.

“Sir, we have a report that police pinned a second man on the ground just outside the school. What is his name? What did you do with him? Where is he now.”

No, no, no, no, no. That would crack the Acceptance-frequency like an egg and send the evening news to hell in a handbasket.

“Sir, I’m glad we finally located you. We understand you were getting ready to go to Bermuda. Now, you were Adam Lanza’s doctor. What drugs did you prescribe him? Not just recently, but going all the way back to the beginning. You see, we’ve compiled a list of possible drugs for Asperger’s and autism and depression, and of course we see that they do, in fact, induce violent behavior. Suicide, homicide. Speak up, Doctor.”

The egg not only cracks in that case, the news anchor is suspended the next day, and the network releases a statement that his “breakdown” on camera was brought on by stress.

Pharmaceutical companies put him on their “to-do” list.

Yet, the questions about the drugs are exactly what a real reporter would ask. Not a “conspiracy theorist.” A reporter, on the scene in Newtown.

Anyone who thinks that is absurd and out of bounds is hypnotized, programmed. That’s all there is to it.

Traditional media are dying in this country. Their money is drying up. They could revitalize themselves in a New York minute if they really started COVERING stories and waking up their audience, but that’s not on their agenda. They would rather die.

They are the hired hands of the elites that own this country. They are the whores sent out every day by their pimps, and they know what their job is and what it isn’t.

The direction of elite television news is squeezed down the path of consciously constructing artificial events, for mass consumption experienced in a state of emotional, mental, physical, and spiritual mind-control. Those reporters who venture outside that framework are labeled fringe figures on the margins.

“Lieutenant, excuse me. Hello. Brian Williams, NBC News. I was wondering: if there had been armed employees inside the school, what are the chances the killer could have been stopped before he shot all those children? You know, people who have been trained to shoot and have concealed carry permits. Strong people who could confront a murderer.”

Oh, people say, that is not a reasonable question. That’s a nutcase question. That question shouldn’t be asked. Why not? You want the real answer? Because it destroys the hypnotic frequency that is being delivered by the television networks. That’s the real answer.

The viewer: “Don’t bother me, I’m hypnotized. Don’t interrupt the frequency my brain is absorbing while I’m watching the news.”

Pragmatic,

Up here in the north, they are held in civic centers deep in the semi-rural and rural areas. No mass transit and it's a 100:1 white male event

This explains your generalizations. The South is much more populated with Minorities than the north.

GetMeOutAlive, let's not get the cart ahead of the horse. This will be completely investigated. Was there a conspiracy? Was there not? That will become obvious in ballistic testing. They will collect the projectiles, and the cartridge casings, and compare the marks left by rifling, the firing pin marks, the extractor marks on the casing rim, and and distinguishable markings left on the spent cartridge casings, then match this data to test fires of weapons in evidence. Every firearm has it's own 'fingerprint'. From this the forensic data will be able to establish exactly what weapon was, or was not used. Until then we should let the investigators do their work, before creating unfounded rumors.

If it was left up to Newsviners, sounds like a whole lot of nothing would be done. Because the gun lusters can't talk to the gun haters about using brains to solve a problem rather than yelling.

Get me my popcorn! This is better than 'Jersey Shore.'

Meanwhile, people who actually listen AND talk will solve the problem. To the rest of you, you are welcome.

Pardon me, I meant First Readers. There are plenty of Newsviners who make sense. Not so many First Readers...

"Through the comments readers sent in, and a little work of my own, the Connecticut shooting has been sewn up in a body bag. It's been shot dead, worse than the Sikh temple shooting, Benghazi, or Aurora, please take the time to go through what is here, it is EXTREMELY important, it's all new, up until the headline THE END. I did not need to do a huge investigation of this to totally wipe it clean. The best stuff is toward the end, farther down the page but it's all good, including the stuff at the beginning.

I am not able to be online much right now, but these news tips came in through the contact form, and I am posting them, with comments.

"Jim, it's Paul from your forum. This school shooting has pro attack written all over it. The ratio of dead to wounded is way off. 27 or 28 killed and media is not reporting how many others injured. Infowars commenters say from 8-12, but I can't verify those numbers.

Presstv has a report up at the following link about 22kids being stabbed at a school in China. WTF, on the same day as the CT shooting with a similar number of casualties? I don't know the connection, but something is wrong here".

My response:

I have absolutely no doubt this was a professional hit by either the Mossad or some other agency. Wanna know why? Read the next comment!

"Punk had 2 9mm's.....ABC reported .223 shell casings at scene, but Bushmaster was in mom's car.

If true, there was more than one shooter."

My response:

You bet there was more than one shooter, and that is how the main "shooter", THE PATSY ended up dead. .223 is the standard U.S. military round, and the same goes for the IDF. IDF? How about It's Damn Fishy.

Here is another good one, from Paul

"That is NOT the work of a crazed 20yo spraying bullets around for a few minutes like the media depicts, that is a series of precision killshots that would take time. The kill/injured ratio is way off.

I also found out that the social media buzz got started minutes afterwards by a bunch of twitter people whose accounts were only days old. They started calling for gun control and abolishing the 2nd ammendment instantly through an initial network of newly set up accounts. Search for calloutjoe's wordpress blog to see examples of how this is done.

This is without a doubt a planned event."

My comment:

Paul came up with a clue, for anyone who does not realize this yet - Any time you get new twitter accounts rattling off for a gun ban, the entire thing is a setup. The reason why is because people tend to be proud of who they are on places like twitter, and they will keep their current accounts and blab and brag about how great they are because they hate guns. No one genuine would have shown up new on twitter with a new account over this.

I did not check yet, but I'd bet that every one of those kids also now has a facebook page in their honor, another key indicator of a government hit job.

And by the way, the prez made me puke when I saw the fakery, I have been sick for days now over it!

Take a look at this one!

"Im not sure if you know this, but the name of the school the 12/14 shooting happened in is Sandy Hook. When I saw the name I knew the shooting just had to be orchestrated. Seems too coincedental to me that a school with nearly the same name as a haarp'd up storm would have the worst mass shooting in American history."

My comment:

Really good connection here, just like a "holmes" shot up the theater, and the Sikh temple shooter lived on Holmes Avenue. The elite do play games like this, it's the same as the number games, 3/11, 4/11, 9/11. And this time, it was Sandy the hurricane, and a "Sandy Hook", Yep, they want us to take the bait, get "hooked" by their B.S. false flag, and give up the last thing we have providing a barrier between us and the fema camps, our guns. And if you think "they" are not capable of this kind of behavior, remember, "they" killed over 40 million in the Ukraine and millions elsewhere, most recently in Iraq. If they can drone strike a wedding, they can shoot up kindergarten just as easily.

And now, it's time to spring THE BIG ONE, AND HANG THEM.

First, I will start with this comment.

"I am searching but I can't find pictures from inside the school building... the actual scenes... This makes me think of the Aurora shooting. Of course I am an amateur and therefore this fact may not be important at all."

MY COMMENT, AND IT IS WHAT I PROMISED I HAD TO HANG THEM WITH

I was given the excuse that with the Aurora shooting and the Sikh temple shooting, that pictures were not released because they would interfere with court cases. BUT WITH A DEAD SHOOTER, THERE WILL BE NO COURT CASE. So tell me, ELITE SCAMMERS, FALSE FLAGGERS, DOG WAGGERS, WHERE ARE THE PICTURES?

You had no troubles airing the beheadings during the Iraq war, or the abu ghraib photos, and you have no troubles doing special effects of people being shot to pieces in PG-13 movies, so WHY NO PICTURES OF A SHOT UP SCHOOL, Think we can't handle it? Or is the problem that there really was no shooting at all, and therefore you have no photos to show for it? Is this really all a load of B.S.?

A dead shooter means you won't have a court case, where a girl will come forward with a story of the police shooting her and ordering her to say Holmes did it, to avoid getting arrested for something else. Could not have a blunder like THAT again, could you? Obviously you will not, with no court case! Takes a while to learn how to put the polish on a scam I guess. And THAT is what I waited to say. Too much time has passed now, they can't say the pictures are forthcoming.

Here is a nice slam dunk, sent in by K.J.

"I found different aerial pictures from different buildings but all stating it's the same school in Newtown Connecticut...

Here's one:

http://www.capitalbay.com/headline/281715-connecticut-school-shooting-27-people-including-18-children-killed-in-rampage.html

And here's another:

http://rt.com/usa/news/shooting-reported-connecticut-school-085/full/ (at bottom of page)

Finally there's this:

A former school board official in Newtown called into question earlier reports that Nancy Lanza had been connected to Sandy Hook Elementary School, possibly as part of the teaching staff.

“No one has heard of her,” said Lillian Bittman, who served on the local school board until 2011. “Teachers don’t know her.”

http://blogs.wsj.com/metropolis/2012/12/14/details-emerge-about-family-of-suspected-newtown-school-gunman/

" My comment - Ha ha ha ha ha! That is exactly the type of thing I look for, it's as damning as Jessica Ghawi's tweets! Good job!

Whoah, TAKE A LOOK AT THIS, IT'S A BOMBSHELL.

I just found out in the Youtube comments that a map of the region which had the Sandy Hook elementary school was used in the bat man movie that was playing in Aurora during that other "shooting" so I googled it. This region, which contains the Sandy Hook elementary school was used as a map to represent a portion of the city of Gotham during a setup of one of the bad guy's dirty deeds in that movie. It's true.

You cannot find the accurate link to this in the Youtube comments, you have to google it. It is linked below.

This is the be all end all bombshell. TAKE A LOOK AT THIS LINK! THEY HAVE BEEN NAILED.

A reader with a popular radio program sent me this:

"I am troubled by some of these shootings -- how come we never hear about the lives of all the victims weeks after? Already I am hearing rumors of photos of the school shooting victims seen as actors, and that the father of the alleged shooter was scheduled to testify aginst the Cabal the way James Holmes' father was...if any of this is true, how the hell do they get away with it?"

My comment -

They don't get away with it. They get caught every time. But the problem is "they" own the media and our government, so they can lie to the public while skirting accountability from law enforcement. Our system has failed. It is not rounding up the real criminals. And when a system fails to that extent, the public has to take action independently and round these people up. That is what the word "revolution" really means, to revolve out of corruption by force. This won't change, there will be no accountability for these criminals until people force it. When the same people who are hurting you are the ones writing the laws, revolution is the only choice or you absolutely will be destroyed by them. And that is precisely why these criminals are pushing for a gun ban, to reduce the amount of force the law abiding people can exert. Wait too long, and they will succeed in destroying us.

Final topic in messages sent:

"Would you consider leaving the forum up in a read-only mode with no postings allowed? I have not read all of the info on it yet and that info is too valuable to be lost."

My comment - The forum is supposed to still be up in read only mode, and the moderators can still post and do everything. They are aware of the dangers. I suspended the forum because I know for certain that with over a thousand log ins a day and only 7 comments, that it is hijacked pure and simple. I can't let my readers get funneled into some damn intelligence agency owned server. I won't allow it. So it's better to just suspend the forum rather than see people walk into a trap I have no control over.

The end"

The "first responders" were a little late to help. They were basically useless. In Israel, the teachers are armed.

Maybe if MORE people were carrying guns, less violence would occur.

Instead, we have millionaire politicians that can afford private security trying to take away everyone ELSE'S guns.

Dawgfan,

This explains your generalizations. The South is much more populated with Minorities than the north.

I suspect things such as this explain a lot of the issues present in politics. We're all colored by our own experiences and can't conceive it is any other way.

USNRET08
Your statement was

I think most of the stories on Sandy states that the shooter used an AR-15 for the killings and shot each several times. So even though a .223 can be a very damaging ammo as any other ammo, mulitiple shots I think is why the amount of survivals were so low. As a Veteran with a tour in Iraq the .556 and .223 are small compared to the 7.62 AK47 ammo but what makes this wartime ammo so dangerous is the fact that it tumbles more then it really spins as in typical ammo. Plus these are mostly combat rounds which means, most of the .223 and .556 rounds are full metal jackets and not lead like typical hunting rounds

Ok I don't know how long you were in the Military, but you obviously didn't have much weapons training. A n AR-15 as you lable them uses a 7.62 round that is simular to the AK 47, now if you mean a 5.56 round, now remember I said 5 point 56 that is a big differance since that is a pistol round. Now a AR-15 can use a 5.56 round, but it will cause it to over heat.

U.S Special Operations
6 tours Iraq
3 tours Afgahnistan
5 tours Yugoslavia
1 macedonia
1 Somalia

Weapons ban is ont the answer, it will only enable the next scum bag to find somthing to do it with that may have worst consequences.
we as a nation should spend time on things that are achivable.
Raise money for upgraded security in ALL schools
upgraded security and armed security in all of our Malls(since arena's have armed police)

Timothy McVey didn't use a Bushmaster to kill 168 people.

In a sense it's not the mass shooters that are crazy it's the NRA that is the complete lunatics. Their paranoia is directly responsible of the killings of thousands of innocents per year.

The paranoid NRA fought background checks at gun shows, thus aiding and abetting violent criminals.

The crazy NRA fought the banning of military style assault weapons.

The loony NRA fought the computerization of ATF records, which would help solve crimes more quickly. To all you idiot NRA members this is absolute proof of the sociopathic nature of the NRA.

The sociopathic NRA fought implementation of advances in bullet technology that would help the police solve crimes and prevent repeat killings.

The list goes on.

The NRA's callous disregard for human life must stop immediately. 48,000 people dead from illegal gun use over the next four years in an acceptable price for the freedom of the NRA members. This makes the NRA and all its members sociopathic nut jobs. All members of the NRA should be deeply ashamed of themselves for being part of such an organization.

Despite the tragedy, all the talk about ban this and ban that will not stop people like that. They'll just walk in with a bomb or more than one. If they're determined they will do it.

Taharrington, first thank you for your service, but USNRET is right, the AR-15 fires 0.223cal, not NATO 7.26mm (you may be thinking the M14?). Believe me, you can't fit a 7.62mm round into an AR mag, and certainly won't chamber. You are correct the AR can fire the 5.56mm because it is effectively the exact same dimensions as the 0.223cal but does create intense chamber pressure. It's better to fire a 0.223 through a 5.56-chambered rifle than other way around.

Also I'm sure you know this, but just to reiterate the caliber of a round indicates the diameter of the bullet, not what type of weapon fires it. In America we use inches so the 0.223 is effectively 22/100ths, or about 1/4 of an inch wide. The rest of the world is on metric so they indicate bullet size by millimeters. So saying "5.56mm is a pistol round" is senseless. I highly doubt you could fit a 5.56x45mm NATO round in a pistol clip :)

taharrington wrote this: "Ok I don't know how long you were in the Military, but you obviously didn't have much weapons training. A n AR-15 as you lable them uses a 7.62 round that is simular to the AK 47"

Man, you are dead wrong on that, an AR 15 fires the 5.56 or 223 remington round which is .22 caliber. The 7.62 or .308 winchester is .30 caliber.. you also call the 5.56 a pistol round! WTF is wrong with you man?

Taharrington,

Please read my blog again. I said the 5.56 and .223 round is small compared to the 7.62 from the AK47. Never in my blog did i mention the fact that an AR-15, M-16, M4 uses a 7.62. Please get it right before making senseless comments. I was commenting to #1.1 who was asking what type of ammo this guy had to have used that did so much damage.

My bad on where i put the point on the 556. But you as a veteran got the freakin point of what i was talking about. 20 year veteran, but my job/mos was not with weapons, but had plenty of training in different types of weapons.

And on top of totally bungling up that mismatched nomenclature you claim to have participated in

U.S Special Operations
6 tours Iraq
3 tours Afgahnistan
5 tours Yugoslavia
1 macedonia
1 Somalia

Like I have already asked, WTF is wrong with you man?

I say enough already...we have covered this topic to death.

The people of Newton CT have requested to be left alone.

We all know what happened, it's time to move on to another topic.

This endless coverage of these tragic, heinous incidents helps to contribute to the next tragic, heinous event.

RI Mom you're a pathetic troll. They arent paying you enough. Smooth operators like yourself are used to muddy up the stream so people cant see the truth. It aint working. People are getting the truth and they are ready to be led in the truthful direction. This attack was orchestrated for the specific purpose of disarming America. Sadly there are people in this world who would sacrifice little children for a political advantage. Shame on us for not seeing it before.

Hello folks, a Sandy Hook parent makes a plea to you. See how this tragic event spurns this reaction just one day after the event. Now put yourself in his shoes, wouldn’t you react the same way?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=urrRcgB581w

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c8nTZKpmtlQ&feature=player_embedded

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SdCTqY8TYIo

taharrington, where did you obtain your "facts"? Midnightridr has been far to kind.

The AR-15 most assuredly fires a 5.56mm or .223 cal round. The main difference between the NATO 5.56mm round and the Remington .223 round is casing thickness. The NATO 5.56mm has a thicker casing to withstand higher pressures. The shooter, reportedly, used a Bushmaster .223. Bushmaster does in
fact make a model that fires a 7.62 or .30 cal round. It's in the XM-15 family. They also make a 6.8mm SPC variant. I'm pretty sure you need an FFL to legally purchase either of those variants. I
could be mistaken about the FFL. They also make a 9mm variant in their Carbon 15 family.

Now there are 5.56mm pistols, and Bushmaster does in fact make one of those, also in the Carbon 15 family. But I promise you the news would have been all over that, because 5.56mm pistols generally look pretty odd.

Overheating is not a problem with the AR-15/ M-4/ M-16 firing the standard 5.56 mm ball round. This is a magazine fed, gas operated, air cooled, shoulder fired, firearm. Over lubrication and dirt are the leading
causes of malfunction, NOT heat. If it were belt fed heat might be a problem.

Full metal jacket rounds are also made from lead. The projectile consists of a soft core, generally made of lead, with a hard metal outer "jacket". This allows for greater muzzle velocity which leads to penetrating power. Yes they do tumble or ricochet upon impact because they are travelling upwards of 3000 feet
per second. Hollow points and non-jacketed ammunition doesn't travel as far because of expansion but does significantly more damage to the target.

Inaccurate statements lead to false understanding and are a cause of the problem. I suppose you think we should arm teachers too? Say yes, so I can provide you a period of instruction on use of force, the sypathetic nervous system, and training motiff and standards. I might in throw in vicarious liability for free.

Hello folks, Problem – Reaction – Solution. As Rahm Emanuel has said “You never let a serious crisis go to waste.”

Problem – Children and teachers murdered at school by a person on legal pathogenic Big Pharma drugs with a gun.

Reaction – Community and citizenry are horrified and fearful. They are “reminded” by their government “why they are needed” and beg government to intervene.

Solution – Government creates taskforce to provide pre-emptive recommendations.

1. Repeal or alter citizen’s second amendment rights.
2. Remove guns from its citizenry.
3. Implement and install metal detectors at all schools.
4. Implement and install surveillance cameras in all schools and class rooms.
5. Require children to have a RFID tracking chip installed.

If you think this is farfetched how do you think our government has been getting away with taking our country to a different war every year and allowing the banksters to fleece us. What was once considered conspiracy is now reality, there are no coincidences! Wake up people!

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Getmadstaymad

This attack was orchestrated for the specific purpose of disarming America.

My reason for not giving this poster a gun.

There is a pic. above that shows 2 men with badges carrying AR 15's . Has been said that there was well over a hundred AR15's at an around the scene after the crime . So 1 AR15 on scene 28 people die. Over a 100 AR15's on scene and no gets a scratch.

RI Mom

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Getmadstaymad

This attack was orchestrated for the specific purpose of disarming America.

My reason for not giving this poster a gun.

I'm no left winger and I wouldn't give this guy a gun either. I would, in fact, send him to be diagnosed by a psychologist or psychiatrist and see if something needs fixing in that head.

It has taken me this long to write something, what happened to those children, and grown adults should have

never happen little baby's gone in a flash by someone who was gone in his own mind poor person. His mother is part to blame why show him how to use guns get him the help he needs first , we pray for the little ones that are gone and their teachers also who were killed, and pray that the gun law is passed so we can save lives not blow them away. God help all who are left now to deal with their sorrow and God grant them the strength to carry on with their lives. May god bless all who tried to help them. And this Christmas let's all vow to make peace in the world and bring this violence to an end. And let's get the gun law passed so you will have to be checked first before you buy the gun.

Hmmm, breaking down the term I see "gun-crazy" which indicates mental health, and "nuts" which indicates mental health. So in reality, by your own logic, we desperately need changes to mental health in this country. This topic must be at the forefront of discussion.

Interestingly, the definition of "insanity" is performing the same action and expecting a different outcome. We have had the gun control debate before. We have passed the legislation. We have imposed the bans. WHY does anyone expect a different outcome this time around? Isn't it time we looked at the root cause of the problem rather than putting on band-aids just because it sounds good?

I find all of this odd that this same exact thing aired on discovery channels breaking amish on tuesday night and reaired on wednesday night and then the attack happened on friday. On the show they had clips of this happening at an amish school in 2006. It was 7 and 8 year olds that were killed at the amish school.

Why the hell cannot the media report all the news, instead of what ever makes liberals look good?????

The senseless slaughter of 20 children and 6 adults doesn't make anybody look good.

Always blaming inanimate objects for disasters.... in this case, a gun, when it is the government that was responsible.

Nobody is calling for laws that tell inanimate objects what they can and cannot do.

Here's the thing: It's hard to institutionalize an adult unless they do something that displays they are a threat to themselves and others. By the time that happens it might be too late. But if the government came in and locked people up because they are showing troubling signs, you and others like you would be on here spouting off about a nanny state and big government. What's your solution?

"We need to get rid of liberals, and then maybe we can get back to the basics in this country instead of promoting a socialist agenda."

Wow, real believer in that constitution, aren't ya? Trust me, if I could have my way, people like you would have a country of their own. I'd love for you to experience exactly what you propose. I think you would find that the reality of it sucks. I'm sure you think all those darn liberals who 'steal' your hard-earned money do nothing better with it than just pay for more tax hikes. I guess you don't enjoy parks, highways, utility infrastructures, fire fighters, police, your military that ardently protects even people like you. Yeah, those darn social-agenda driven programs really put a crimp in your lifestyle. You go with your bad self.

Its amazing how the bloodsucker dick Blumenthal and the rest of the crooked scum bag politicians in CT. and D.C. come out from under the rocks to use Newtowns tragedy to create photo/sound bite ops for themselves. These dirt bags are never anywhere to be found during the course of their terms unless a camera or mike is there. These people are not there out of any genuine concern for the people of Sandy Hook, but as an oppurtunity for some air time. Its amazing that D.C. can talk about changing gun laws in 3 weeks but havent been able to pass a budget in 3 years or so. They coudnt use this murder of innocent children and adults fast enough for self promotion. The innocent die and the crooks continue to reap the wealth as they further try to ruin the USA.

Here's the thing: It's hard to institutionalize an adult unless they do something that displays they are a threat to themselves and others. By the time that happens it might be too late. But if the government came in and locked people up because they are showing troubling signs, you and others like you would be on here spouting off about a nanny state and big government. What's your solution?

The problem is in todays medical field Dr.s and parents would rather drug kids then spend the time for couseling. The gov is also to busy with their sound bites and spending/giving away our tax $ in the middle east or where have you. Look up scopolamine(Devils Breath), Fanapt and all the other psychotropic drugs givin out by PhRMA. Most of these drugs come with black box warnings which are the worst and only one is approved for children-Prozac, which I might add has no business being given to kids. These politicians and media folks will not speak out about this problem as that is the hand that feeds them in advertising, kick backs, bribes and campaign funds. PhRMA pays billions a year to these folks and the FDA. Prescription drugs kill thousands more people every year than shooters do.

"Violence and other potentially criminal behavior caused by prescription drugs are medicine's best kept secret," says Dr. David Healy, a world-renowned psychiatrist who has written extensively about the lack of data in evidence-based medicine, including in his latest book, Pharmageddon.

Healy says this is a global issue, with medical, legal, ethical, and profound public policy dimensions. "Never before in the fields of medicine and law have there been so many events with so much concealed data and so little focused expertise."

Can prescription drugs cause you to kill someone? "Absolutely", says Healy.

The problem is in todays medical field Dr.s and parents would rather drug kids then spend the time for couseling.

While counseling is important, sometimes there is a legitimate need for drugs. My cousin has been known to cause pretty severe damage without medication. But the mechanism of her illness is well understood.

Again, I have to ask, what is the solution?

The problem is the government. All they do is lie. Look back and really dig for the truths about Waco, Ruby Ridge, Oklahoma City bombing and the info coming out about the Aurora Movie shooting(to name just a few). Just keep eating up what is spewed to you by the Government and media, be a sheep or do a little work/research with an open mind if that is at all possible. Much of what they tell you about what happens/happened does not add up

Researching with the predetermination that <insert entity here> is lying is not researching with an open mind. It's fishing for information that supports your predetermination while rejecting information that does not. As a researcher whose life is the very pursuit of fact and truth, I can tell you for certain that you're doing it wrong.

I was wrong in how I worded my statement above. It should have read they often lie to reach their agenda. That is why I said you need to go into it with an open mind, it could be anything. But when retired Generals, FBI special agents, etc start coming out with what they claim to be truths, you need to look at that and not shrug it off as some conspricay. You know there also many out there that are conspiracy nuts but there are also many that are Anti-Conspiracy nuts and they won't consider anything.

Yes some folks may consider medications but when do you trade off some minor personality conflicts for drugs that can induce violent actions even death as side effects. When do you decide to give these drugs to kids, which I will add they are not approved. Many of these drugs make matters worse, then there is a need for stronger drugs. I'm sorry, it is wrong to alter a childs mind with drugs they know so little about and know less about the childs mind. There are answers but our government chooses not to address them

I might also add that this fits well

Pragmatic men of power have no time or inclination to deal with … social morality

I was wrong in how I worded my statement above. It should have read they often lie to reach their agenda.

That's more like it.

Yes some folks may consider medications but when do you trade off some minor personality conflicts for drugs that can induce violent actions even death as side effects.

I'm having trouble researching the induction of violent actions in psych drugs, at least of the type we're talking about. I read through journal articles instead of anecdotes on the internet. I think any medication must be an option that is weighed carefully, but I suspect I'm also in the minority there.

There are answers but our government chooses not to address them

I would also like to add that the answers are not gun control or video game control. Many of the answers are found in the morals of people. Theses started changing when god was taken out of the schools, the massive rise in kids getting abortions, drugging todays society to name a few. I believe there is a need for abortions but many kids have they oh well mind set. How does one explain to a little kid when someone they know gets and abortion..oh well getting pregnant was a mistake. This kid then can grow up thinking it's ok to take life when a mistake is made. Oh I know life doesn't begin till someone takes a breath....well so many say...but a child/toddler does not understand these things.

Why in the name of all that is holy would you discuss an abortion with a young child? Is there some reason they need to be informed, consulted, or that they can even grasp what you're talking about? It's immoral to get an abortion but it's NOT immoral to shoot up 20 innocent kids?

If this is happening due to "morals" what about the rest of the world? I doubt they are any more or less 'moral' than the US, but you think it's 'morals"?

Let's see some citations for the "massive rise" in kids getting abortions cuz I just don't think that's so.

Theses started changing when god was taken out of the schools, the massive rise in kids getting abortions, drugging todays society to name a few.

I would have to disagree for many reasons. God being present in schools has nothing to do with the social morals. Shooting rampages used to occur even when God was present in the schools. Traditionally the role of moral upbringing has fallen on the parents. But thanks to the changing economics of our nation, a single income is no longer possible. A kid gets out of school and is raised by an after school program or worse, television. There is also a difference in attitude. It used to be "boys will be boys" and if a teenage girl got herself pregnant, parents raised the child as their own and the child was called a "little sister" to her biological mother. Silence was favored instead of truth. Then it was up to the kid, when they grew up, to find out the truth, and cope with it themselves.

I believe there is a need for abortions but many kids have they oh well mind set.

Everyone I know who has ever gotten an abortion has been utterly devastated by the event. They know when their kid was supposed to be born and remember for the rest of their lives.

I'm having trouble researching the induction of violent actions in psych drugs, at least of the type we're talking about

You need to do much research from info produced outside of this country, trust it's out there. Just even look at the number of suicides atributed to Prozac..that's pretty easy. Read Pharmageddon with an open mind and not the mindset that these drugs are needed. These drugs were not used before and CURE nothing, all they do is maybe mask problems/symtoms but then bring up much bigger problems. Watch the video about Dragon's Breath/scopolamine and tell me it is necessary to completely alter someone's psyche.

digitaljournal.com/article/324779

To much money is pumped into this Drug Machine/PhRMA in the US, they pay billions to hide info. Just research some of the physcotropic meds "listed" side effects many with black boxes(the worst). That is just the tidbit they are giving us

My solution is to get on our knees and ask God for forgiveness and return to our past ways instead of a Godless society that endorses abortion, endorses gay marriage, mocks Christians, a government that takes Christ out of Christmas, and calls it winter solstice holiday, all the while bowing down to muslim at every opportunity.... or in other words our government today.... That is the only way this country will ever survive, and if we dont, we are finished as a country.

So Blue Wasabi you are saying that a child has never heard anyone speaking about an abortions? Crawl out from your rock. As I said I think they are needed in times but not when someone decides that they don't want to have safe sex. Rape and some other reasons yes. So if you had a child...god forbid... that over heard someone talking about getting an abortion then you will say nothing to them..as you said there is no reason. The abortion numbers are easy to get well atleast the reported ones. Growing up 20-30 years ago you heard little of friends or folks in school getting them. I now know of over a dozen girls in HS through neices that have had them and that is just in a couple grades. This if that matters but a smaller town. They act like it is nothing, like going to the mall

People today would rather be their kids friends instead of their parents. What 12 year old needs to run around with a cell phone texting and talking all day. I have had to explain abortion to my daughter, 6 yrs old, it broke my heart. I am her friend but alsoher parent, I read with her everynight along with doing extra math and going over all of her homework. We talk about civics which has also been taken out of our schools

Absolutely right Fishman. It doesnt add up. When the government is allowed to do investigations in total secrecy there is always the possibility of a coverup or at the very least a manipulation of the evidence. In every single crime scene Ive looked at there are huge gaping holes in the governments story as well as the physical evidence not adding up. And they continue to get away with it. Take the Oklahoma City bombing for instance. Timothy McVeigh was supposed to have used a truck load of fertilizer to blow up the Muir Building yet many of the 1st responders reported that numerous unexploded devices were seen inside the building and saw federal employees working to disarm them. Even the Governor of Oklahoma said that on live TV! But it all goes away because we're in a trance. A Stupor. We cant seem to overcome the TV's brainwashing effect on the truth. Thats why we need to getmadstaymad.

Why are you singling out NBC? Have you looked at FOXNEWS, CNN, CBSNEWS? All are filled with the same type of stories.

Agreed, and Raddave, you are also correct.

The massive coverage all around, with all but Fox pushing the same anti 2nd amendment line suggests to me a riling of the masses as political cover for an attack on the second amendment. The Media coverage and the overtones do seem to suggest a kernel of truth to the false flag concept.

LAR 42

I want you as I have asked all ANTI NRA people to provide me a resonse as to why you blame the NRA for this???

I am not a NRA supporter, so that come back is out for you

I am a person who has seen that Gun control is not going to stop this from happening again.

Conneticut has for fact the most stricktist gun laws of any state in this nation, look it up it is a fact.

Did Timothy Mc Vey use a Gun on those Innocent people?

Do you think that by banning assult weapons we will also simotaniously stop the black market as well?

How do you think criminals get weapons? go to the local gunstore and buy them?

Your agenda is not with the NRA it needs to be with the government enforcing a mandate to have armed security in our schools and malls, and allow our churches the right to hire armed security as well if they feel there is a need.

Funding for security in every school in this nation.

This are your answers to your issue, not the NRA, I honestly could care less about the NRA, but that is the least of your worries that you need to worry about.

So what's the answer?

Make the industry accountable.

It is illegal to sue gunmakers. Wrongdoing should be decided by a court of law on a case-by-case basis. They currently enjoy a blanket immunity from civil and criminal suits, the only industry that has such protection. And guns are the only product you can buy that are not regulated by the Consumer Product Safety Commission which is why they will never become less dangerous. A technology such as grip pattern recognition or biometric identification would have prevented this incident and countless others where a child finds a gun and shoots somebody. Regulation could mandate these technologies on new firearms and make the product safer.

Pragmatic,

Lanza went shooting with his mother, so a grip recognition wouldn't have stopped it. He would have had his prints recognized by those firearms. A cheaper solution and one that I think even gun owners would go for is requiring a safe in the home. That alone would cut down on accidental shootings where kids find the guns just sitting on a shelf or in a drawer.

Lanza went shooting with his mother, so a grip recognition wouldn't have stopped it. He would have had his prints recognized by those firearms.

Possibly but not a certainty. A responsible owner would have only permitted themselves to operate their personal firearm. Adam could have just used the range's firearms.

A cheaper solution and one that I think even gun owners would go for is requiring a safe in the home. That alone would cut down on accidental shootings where kids find the guns just sitting on a shelf or in a drawer.

I was under the impression that this was a standard practice for a responsible gun owner. Every gun owner I know has one and keeps their arms unloaded and secure in it. And despite my comments, I do happen to agree with you. However, there's no certainty that a safe would have prevented this either. The safe may not have been utilized, or Adam Lanza could have had the unlock code or stolen the key. Sadly, you can't fix stupid, and even if every firearm owner were required to purchase a safe, some would purchase the cheapest POS they could get and never utilize it.

It is illegal to sue gunmakers. Wrongdoing should be decided by a court of law on a case-by-case basis. They currently enjoy a blanket immunity from civil and criminal suits, the only industry that has such protection

More lies being spouted here. You can sue any gun maker but only if they make an unsafe product. The gun they made did not just start shooting people. The group you can't sue is PhRMA who by the way pays about 750 million to a billion a year to the FDA for speedy drug approval. That is also only the old numbers/$ which is accounted for. Just please for once stop spouting out your government spewed talking points

pragmatic people have had no time or inclination to deal with … social morality. Fits well doesn't it Prag

Prag,

I agree with you that having a safe should be standard practice, but there are hundreds of thousads of people that don't. They stuff guns under a matress, or on a shelf, leave them on a night stand, even hang them on the wall. My self I have a couple Fort Knox Legend Series safes for my guns and ammo. They have biometric and numeric locks. I also have in wall safes on either side of the master bed the house a 12 gauage, 25 rounds of 12 gauge defense ammo, and .45 cal pistol. I also have an office by our front door that I keep a 1911 in a pistol safe that's been bolted to the desk. I am what you call a responsible gun owner. I take my family's safety seriously, but I also take owning firearms seriously.

Aww come on Dawgfan, we can't speak intelligently now... If we do these liberals with agendas will claim were all spy's for the NRA...

Im supprised you got one to respond to your points, I made serveral good points and not one of these people will respond becasue they know that it's not true what they are spewing out there.

In this instance, the Principal or other school administrator would have had time to set up, take aim and shoot this guy when he was climbing through the hole in the door. Some are instantaneous and catch you off guard, but this time they might have been able to shoot him as they knew he was there and coming.

Thank you so much for your service to this country. I'm certain many great men and women owe their lives and quality of lives to your bravery and ability to keep calm.

101doc,

Thank you for your service to this country. You are a true American hero, because you have saved the lives of other real heros. You are right. When crisis hits you have to be cool as a cucumber. Show no emotions, and don't panic. Focus on the situation and figure out how to help as many as possible while facing danger. Even if that means risking your own life to save the lives of others.

Blue,

I'm sorry for the loss of your father to gun violence. It's not what firearms were invented for. You are mistaken that Lanza wouldn't have been able to inflict as much harm had he not Stolen an AR-15. I assume that's the weapon you are talking about. I'm a advanced shooter. I competition shoot. I attend simulated scenario's classes. I've done training with a friend that's a former SEAL Sniper. Lanza could have done the same amount of damage with shotgun and the two handguns. From articles I've seen he fired at a minimum of 40 rounds from the handguns as there were 4 .40 cal mags on the floor. Those generally hold 10 rounds of ammo. It only takes about a second or two to change the mags out. We also don't know exactly how many rounds were fired and what kind of ammo he had. If he had FMJ rounds then those have a better tendancy to pass thru their target, where hollow points fragment inside a target and cause more internal damage. Hollow points are used by police departments and the majority of people that carry a concealed wepon as it's considered a personal defense round. I don't know of anyone blaming the President for this violent act. They just don't want the President to trample on our rights as Americans to protect ourselves as it is gauaranteed by law.

The President ISN'T trampling on anyone's rights..........it takes Congressional approval AND the Senate to pass a bill FIRST. When and where has he said he's gonna take away your penis extensions?

Are you NOT reading the posts where he's blamed for everything wrong in the world today? There are even some on THIS thread.

I would like to know if anyone thinks that it is kind of insane for a mother to teach a mentally unstable person to use assault weapons, and to keep these weapons at the house. It's like drinking and driving don't mix? How about someone you know who is mentally ill most of his life and you hand them an assault weapon? What was she thinking? I would be glad to be dead if I where his mother because she would probably be facing 2nd degree murder charges. Is there something wrong with me, or is this where this whole thing went wrong?

Agree with you arou. If it's true that she didn't even want babysitters to leave him alone long enough to use the restroom, what does that say? She knew he was 'off' but was also in denial about it as many parents are in denial of their children's problems. Still allowed him to shoot guns though.

Bill K, I have three grandchildren who are the ages of most of the deceased children. By looking at their stature, I don't need anyone to tell me what damage a round (no matter the size) would do to their bodies. It's an unthinkable scenario.

Way off topic Rodney. Please no more selling an agenda. God bless the victims of THIS tragedy.

God is an agenda and so is this tragedy thanks to the left. Is it not tragic that hundreds if not thousands of babies are slaughtered every day in this country and it is celebrated and fiercly defended by Democrats and Obama himself and not a peep from the main stream media?

Oh shut up with your prolife agenda on a thread about the horrors visited on this community. NO ONE is interested in your rant, probably everyone in your family RUNS when you start up with this.....sad you have NO one who wants to listen to you.

BTW, you ARE aware the Supreme Court years ago made Roe vs. Wade the law of the land? But I can guess you never watched one of your oldest friends almost bleed to death from a back alley botched operation either. Thank goodness for the law!

Uh yeah rodney way of the subject your mixing oranges with apples here

Wasabi, you are obviously interested and listened enough to respond, so you must be a nobody. Well before Roe v Wade, our Founding Fathers enshrined in our Bill of Rights, the right to keep and bear arms and subsequently was upheld by the all magnanimous Supreme Court. Where in our Constitution does it spell out that a doctor has the right to kill an unborn baby? The woman may have the right to not want a baby, but where does she get the right to kill him or her? A woman has the right to keep her knees together if she does not want a baby. Killing unborn, soon to be 5 to 6 year old kindergarten kids is what you describe as goodness and that should be thanked, huh?

And your very argument is instructive in that BOTH Roe v Wade is every bit as valid as the 2nd. Interesting that BOTH end up killing, NO?

Where does the 2nd say that the right to bear arms equals the right to kill someone via "stand your ground" or in a gas station cuz the music isn't to your liking?

Tools like you believe women are the ONLY one responsible for birth control a la keeping your knees together. You are undoubtedly an ignorant old white man peer of mine and I shun guys like you.

He WAS NOT turned down. He didn't want to wait for the 3 days required. Sorry to blow your faux news uninformed talking point. His mother's guns WERE legal.

Did he leave the store with a gun? NO. Then... HE WAS TURNED DOWN. And it had nothing to do with a three-day-wait. You have to be 21 and THEN wait three days. He was 20. His mother's guns were legal for HER. HE KILLED the legal owner. Have you listened to yourself lately? When a non-licensed driver kills the car's owner, steals the car and runs someone over, was he legally driving that car? The kid was beyond sick. End of discussion.

Really? Why do you think he had his brother's ID? He was using it to try to buy that new gun and he didn't want to wait.........that's what the gun store owner has reported. But Faux didn't tell you that did they?

Wrong again Blue. In CT you need to have an FID card to purchase a firearm(rifle) or ammo, an a pistol permit for a hand gun. This is issued through the local police dept and is the same in MA, NJ and many other states. So he could have waited months, if he did not have an FID(Firearms Identification) card then he gets nothing. Learn the laws before you spout your BS

No, Obama has a DUTY to protect and defend the Constitution of the United States of America, AS WRITTEN, which includes the Second Amendment and Americans right to keep and bear arms!

A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.

1Rodneyb, Key to the 2nd Amendment is "Well regulated militia" Article I read and want to share on the 2nd Amendment, and how wrong folks are when they think that no matter what, i have the right to bear arms. Not so.

It’s time for a history lesson about one of America’s most popular and least understood rights. It’s also long past time to expose the hollow, ignorant fawning over the Second Amendment by gun-rights advocates for what it is.

In contrast to the libertarian fantasies that drive the contemporary debate about firearms in America, the Founders understood that liberty without regulation leads not to freedom, but anarchy. They understood that an armed body of citizens easily becomes a mob. In other words, a bunch of guys grabbing their guns and waving a flag emblazoned with a rattlesnake is not a militia.

A cursory look at the history of the Second Amendment shows that regulation was a central part of its rationale—putting “well regulated” at the very start of the amendment was no accident. For instance, starting in the colonial period, states enacted a variety of “safe-storage” measures to deal with the danger posed by stored gunpowder. A 1786 law went as far as prohibiting the storage of a loaded gun in any building in Boston.

But many people who defend gun rights today are more than happy to skim over the first part of the amendment in their zeal to embrace the second. (The NRA itself literally chopped off that pesky first half when it chiseled the words on the face of its old headquarters.) As a result, our modern gun-rights ideology is often unmoored from any sense of corresponding civic obligation.

Here’s a look at what the 1994 law actually did, where it failed, and whether it could be reworked to significantly reduce gun violence.

What counts as an “assault weapon”? The trouble all starts here. There’s no technical definition of an “assault weapon.” There are fully automatic weapons, which fire continuously when the trigger is held down. Those have been strictly regulated since 1934. Then there are semiautomatic weapons that reload automatically but fire only once each time the trigger is depressed. Semiautomatic pistols and rifles come in all shapes and sizes and are extremely common in the United States.

Congress didn’t want to ban all semiautomatic weapons — that would ban most guns, period. So, in crafting the 1994 ban, lawmakers mainly focused on 18 specific firearms, as well as certain military-type features on guns. Complicated flow charts laid it all out. Certain models of AR-15s and AK-47s were banned. Any semiautomatic rifle with a pistol grip and a bayonet mount was an “assault weapon.” But a semiautomatic rifle with just a pistol grip might be okay. It was complicated. And its complexity made it easy to evade.

What did the 1994 ban actually do? For the 10 years that the ban was in effect, it was illegal to manufacture the assault weapons described above for use by private citizens. The law also set a limit on high-capacity magazines — these could now carry no more than 10 bullets.

There was, however, an important exception. Any assault weapon or magazine that was manufactured before the law went into effect in 1994 was perfectly legal to own or resell. That was a huge exception: At the time, there were roughly 1.5 million assault weapons and more than 24 million high-capacity magazines in private hands.

Article above is to show folks that the 2nd Amendment can be challenged and the president has every right to limit our use and ownership of weapons, as did the 1994 ban of automatic weapons, which banned some AR-15s and most AK 47's.

So Rodney you are incorrect the president has every right to implement some sort of gun control.

USNRET08,

While you did a good job on the cut and paste of the 2nd amendment if you are going to pretend to do a 'history lesson' as you call it you need to do it right.

From the Deceleration of Independence:

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security. —

Now you see, the long chain of abuses the founding fathers had just suffered were caused by the rightful king of England. They wrote the declaration of independence to explain to all mankind why they were declaring Independence.

They wrote the Bill of rights (the key 10 rights we all share) to set a basis of the constitution and lock the major rights in place so all understood.

Now the constitution was written at a time where people knew and understood a lot better then we do what a government is capable of in terms of causing harm to The People. And the Founders knew that there was no way in heck the revolution would have been possible without an armed populace.

Right in the middle of the Declaration they specifically state "That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness."

That is the Founders outright saying that NO Government can be trusted to always put the people first, they believe that sooner or later the revolution may need to be repeated. They specifically placed the second amendment into the Bill of Rights to ENSURE it would be safe FROM Government.

If we are going to do history lessons let's really get in there.

And now to be clear to all. I am not against regulation of the Absolute RIGHT to keep and bear arms. After all responsibilities go hand and hand with rights, if we do not take the responsibility we do not deserve the right. However any regulation must respect the INTENT of the second amendment. Here are some common sense ideas I do not feel run counter to my belief in the Second amendment, the Absolute RIGHT to keep and bear arms.

Here are my ideas for avoiding another Mass Shooting

1. No internet Gun sales. Ever! come on, if someone can not appear in person they do not need the gun.

2. Mandatory background check, criminal and mental health.

3. If you are on mind altering Pharmaceuticals, No gun for you.

4. The above should be dependent on obtaining a license to own a gun. This is done in my state already, not sure if that is just my state but, it seems really fair

5. Due to the license requirement there must be a point of redress if someone feels they were unfairly refused a license and that point of redress must not be another governmental department.

6. Those who have shown violent tendencies when 'off their meds' should be institutionalized, or 'put down'. Now this sounds terrible but, as way, way more then guns can cause mass carnage then why take the chance, a crazy / sick person will find a way to harm if they choose to.

7. Armed Police officer / retired / off duty in schools. Now this can be volunteers or low paid, call it a public service, as that is what it is.

To those who say Police would make kids feel like they are in prison, Get over it. Police exist to serve and protect, they are there for Us and our kids. There are far too many people out there who raise their kids to fear / hate police, this would be good for the kids and police / community relations.

Possibly more to come........

Again more BS about guns. I have heard all week on the news how 40% OF GUNS SALES ARE DONE WITH NO CHECK ON THE INTERNET. This is utter BS. Lets say maybe 40% of all sales are done on the internet, any private gun seller, dealer or gun smith must by law ship that firearm to an FFL dealer which performs a check. Please check it out goto Gun Broker, Guns International or anysite that sells/auctions guns and check their rules for shipping. That 40% is just another talking point for the media and the politicians that have no idea what they are talking about. I also belong to several hunting and shooting sites and any sales through their classifieds are required to ship trhough an FFL dealer and I have never seen anyoneone do otherwise.

You can not even sell/ship ammo or unloaded bullets without going through an FFL holder who again performs the check through the FBI and or ATF

About the only thing you can ship without going through an FFL holder is a AR upper, this is no good without the lower assembly which must go through an FFL holder

Chris4132020, Thank you for the excellent history lesson, which i'm well aware of how our Constitution is writen, i was trying to point out Rodneyb as he quoted "The right to keep and bear arms". I was trying to inform him as so many miss is the part at the beginning of the 2nd Amendment that even the NRA themselves fail to use. He was coming out blunt by saying that the President has no right what so ever to make gun laws. (Or should say how I read his remark). But again I understand the Constitution but thanks for taking the time to try an educate me on its history.

Also should of noted to Rodneyb that its not "Protect and defend the Constitution" Its "Support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies foreign and domestic".

No, Obama has a DUTY to protect and defend the Constitution of the United States of America, AS WRITTEN, which includes the Second Amendment and Americans right to keep and bear arms!

Not true. Please see amendments 18 and 21.

Amendment 18 - Liquor Abolished. Ratified 1/16/1919. Repealed by Amendment 21 12/5/1933.

Uhhhhh You did all you could. Still so sad. Stay up. ?????? what are you trying to say? sounds like a sexual comment??? take academic writting 101 please.

taharrington,

Really? Someone who comes out and says they've fought in every war since Gettysburg can sit here and do nothing but cut down folks for mistakes with there blogs. You know what folks are saying. Maybe respond to their comment instead of being Mr. Spell check. Dude get off the Social Security Disability and VA disability and get a job.