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Subscribe to RSSThe powerful storm made for dicey driving conditions in Iowa, causing a 25-car pileup. In Wisconsin, the governor declared a state of emergency. And in the South, several tornadoes spawned from the same weather system. NBC's Kevin Tibbles reports.
The first major wintry storm of the season hammered the Midwest on Thursday, causing a pileup in blizzard conditions that killed three people, dumping a foot of snow in some areas and creating travel problems during one of the busiest periods of the year. Those travel woes could extend into the Northeast, with high winds and rain expected there Friday.
Nearly 600 flights were canceled at Chicago’s O’Hare International Airport on Thursday, according to FlightStats, and an additional 700 were grounded at Kansas City International, Midway (Chicago), Detroit Metropolitan, Minneapolis-St. Paul International and other Midwest airports.
Southwest Airlines canceled all flights at Midway starting at 4:30 p.m. local time, NBCChicago.com reported.
Full coverage of the storm at The Weather Channel
The storm system also spawned a tornado that flipped vehicles in Mobile, Ala., and cut power to 400,000 homes and businesses. Some 130,000 were still without power Thursday afternoon.
At least six deaths were tied to the snowstorms: In Iowa, three people died Thursday in a pileup involving more than 30 vehicles on Interstate 35, NBC affiliate WHO-TV reported; in Wisconsin, slick road conditions led to two fatalities; and in Utah, a woman who tried to walk for help after her car became stuck in snow was found dead, officials said late Wednesday. Search and rescue crews on snowmobiles found her buried in the snow just a few miles from her car.
Snow, whipped by 50 mph wind gusts, have been causing white outs and leaving residents in the dark. The Weather Channel's Mike Seidel reports.
Blizzard or winter storm warnings were issued for 16 states on Thursday, Weather Channel meteorologist Mike Seidel told TODAY.
Northeast cities can expect rain and high winds from the system Friday morning, said NBC meteorologist Bill Karins. Most of the snow should move into Canada Friday night.
A foot of snow fell on Des Moines, Iowa, by early Thursday and residents across the state were urged to stay off the roads.
"Because of the wind, travel is pretty treacherous, especially into Iowa, as the storm moves east," National Weather Service meteorologist Scott Dergan said.
The snow cover will drag temperatures much lower in Iowa and Nebraska, he added. "We're talking single digits. We may even see some sub-zero temperatures in Nebraska. This cold weather will stick around for several days, maybe until the day after Christmas. So we're definitely going to have a white Christmas."
Iowa State Police
Some of the vehicles involved in a pileup on Interstate 35 in Iowa are seen Thursday.
Blowing snow led to school closures in parts of Iowa, Kansas, Missouri and Nebraska. All state government offices also closed in Iowa. Storms in those four states left around 130,000 homes without power.
"Thundersnow" was reported in Iowa Wednesday night, as thunder and lightning accompanied the storm as it trekked across the state.
Dietra Tate / NBC 15
This vehicle at a car dealership was flipped over by a storm in Mobile, Ala., on Thursday, Dec. 20.
In Alabama, a tornado peeled the roofs off homes and buildings and toppled vehicles in Mobile, but caused no serious injuries, Al.com reported. Arkansas also saw damage from high winds.
The storm system earlier delivered heavy snow and strong winds to parts of the West, where trucks tangled on icy roads on the Oregon and California state line.
Snowstorm prompts state of emergency in Wisconsin
In West Texas, winds from the same system kicked up a dust storm Wednesday that caused accidents along Interstate 27, resulting in one death and more than a dozen injuries, NBC affiliate KCBD reported.
At Dallas-Fort Worth airport, American Airlines said it canceled about 120 flights Wednesday night due to the storm.
In Nebraska, snow blowing sideways on Wednesday night forced the closure of a 146-mile stretch of Interstate 80, a major east-west highway.
Much of the nation is dealing with a big blast of winter as a massive snowstorm barrels from the Rockies to the Midwest, with some parts of Colorado buried under more than a foot of snow. NBC's Mike Seidel reports.
In Wisconsin, Gov. Scott Walker declared a state of emergency on Wednesday. Schools were canceled in advance of heavy snowfall and the University of Wisconsin-Madison postponed Thursday’s final exams.
Before the storm, several Midwest cities had broken records for the number of consecutive days without measurable snow.
In Chicago, people made a run on snow shovels and salt ahead of what should be the first snow to hit the city in 290 days (the record is 296).
The storm has package delivery companies nervously checking the weather forecast during this busy time of year. "We’re closely monitoring the storm," FedEx spokesman Scott Fiedler told NBC News. "We have a team of 15 meteorologists who track the weather around the world every day."
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Along the East Coast, the I-95 corridor isn't expected to see much, if any, snow.
"Snow may make it as close to New York City as Western Connecticut but right now, other than a few flurries Friday night, I think New York City through Boston will be mostly snow-free," Tom Niziol, the winter weather expert at The Weather Channel, told NBC News.
"Areas to the southeast of the Great Lakes, from Cleveland through Syracuse will get heavier snowfall," he added. "Higher elevations from the Adirondacks through the western slopes of the Central Appalachians will also get snow."
NBC News' Isolde Raftery and A. Pawlowski, as well as The Associated Press and Reuters, contributed to this report.
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7 -12 inches predicted for here over night...so far they are only off by .....7 -12 inches.
What the hell happened to global warming?
Here in the northeastern California mountains we're expecting 3 to 6 feet!
And this IS the global warming thing!
1.its not a weekend
2. the lib arlam clock hasn't went off yet
How bout that.....an early riser....
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It's winter. It snows in the winter. Don't over analyze. Enjoy your white Christmas if you get one.
Merry Christmas.
@ post 1 - hilarious!
If we have a hot summer, it's global warming. If we have a cold snowy winter, it's global warming.
It's a win/win situation with those people.
Snow over the Christmas in the plains and Midwest. What a shock.
Yep Janine...been out shoveling this rain since about 6 last night . gotta admit its a hell of allot easier on my ol back though.
(there is some snow in the area however, north, and west mostly,hope it stays there myself. kids nowadays are too damn lazy to earn a buck shovelling it, temp just hasn't dropped enough yet but from the sound of the wind...well its going to get nasty...winter in Iowa....... )
oh oh..... the rain is changeing to snow.......the wet heavy kind ........must be one of them there phenomenons i been 'a hearin' about......:(
GM Scooter
Good thing you didn't promise Ms Scooter some....
Whatchoo talking 'bout Willis?
I was going to post how happy I was to get 6" of snow yesterday, but instead had to read all that tiresome global warming drivel from people who wouldn't know a science book it if hit them on the back of the head. Get some new material guys; you're getting boring and repetitive.
I grew up in NE Iowa, when I was a kid a foot of snow was nothin. What has changed in the world? We used to get snow storms that would dump 2-3 feet of snow. One winter I remember my younger brother climbing out an upstairs window just so he could shovel out the door to the house. so a foot of snow is nothing!!!!!!
This is a snow storm. It is not proof of or against global warming.
That photo from Superior, CO is of just normal traffic on US 36 between Boulder and Denver, as the road is that congested both morning and evening 6 days per week. Most likely the traffic was moving at 25 mph like it usually does rather than being stopped too. So, if you fly into DIA and you need to make a meeting in Boulder, plan a little extra time for traffic Denver-style, would you?
I will also agree that winter of 20, 30, 40, or 50 years ago was much different than winter today too. For two days we were bludgeoned with winter storm warnings for the 3 inches of snow that we got. When I was a kid growing-up near Pontiac, MI, if the forecast was for less than 2-4 inches of snow all that the weatherman called for was "snow flurries". Back then a major winter storm involved a foot or two of snow and wind-chills of 20 or 30 below zero. In my 30-year former career driving semis I saw snow drifts 10 feet deep, I saw wind chills of -70, and I saw so much snowfall overnight that I had to push snow with the door of a cabover tractor the next morning too.
IA.ScooterTramp
HELL YEAH!
What the hell has happened to kids making some extra money shovelling snow, cutting grass, etc? I have offered kids in my neighborhood MORE than what the professional snow removers charge and I can't get anyone to shovel my driveway and walkways.
Not that I can't do it myself but it would be nice to see the same eagerness we had when we were kids to earn a few extra bucks. I remember we had to rush because there were so many kids in the neighborhood who were out hustling snow shovelling or cutting grass. Some of us even got to wash some of the older folks cars for them.
Our "snow days" actually involved us dealing with snow, not sitting in the house watching TV or playing video games.
Of course, this was after we walked to school barefoot, in 3 feet of snow, going uphill both ways!
bout 2-3 inches now....oh whoa,,oh worry...oh fret...oh...hey wait a minute, something just accrued to me.... I GOTTA SHOVEL THIS @!$%#....serious bummer...:(
Global warming is the "trigger" for an ice age. Winds blow across the Bearing sea which should be frozen over, but isn't--global warming--the wind picks up much more moisture from the open sea than if it were frozen. The increased moisture results in increased snowfall. I got more stories if your interested?
Right, one storm in winter is proof against climate change. Just stick your @!$%#ing head in the ground and ignore all the other evidence and scientific studies.
Also, cigarettes don't cause cancer...so smoke up.
Here, you want to see a real blizzard from back in the 1970s??? This is the Channel 8 News from Cleveland, OH from the Great Blizzard from January, 1978, when in 11 hours overnight driving a tow-truck another guy and I grossed $2700 mainly towing abandoned rush-hour traffic out of 3 feet of snow at the intersection of Chagrin Blvd and Green Rd.
Fact: A few inches of snow does not constitute a major blizzard! I have a theory though, that says that global climate change has moderated our winters so much that many younger drivers just do not have the same winter driving skills and level of experience that many older drivers take for granted.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p6RcU5ch8vQ
National Weather Service history on the storm:
http://www.erh.noaa.gov/cle/wx_events/Blizzard78/blizzard/blizzard78.html
@george: Yes, global warming can cause snow and storms. And you know what? The weather is warming up. That doesn't really prove much though. Sure, humans mess up the environment and that affects weather, but the natural course of weather includes global warming and global cooling. There isn't any real evidence to say that we are the cause. Only that we may be helping it along. Even without humans here, there would still be global warming.
@Smith: You don't really understand global warming either, by the sounds of it. As george mentioned and I also noted, global warming increases storms, so if anything it can be used as proof of global warming. Still, as I said to george, there isn't any real evidence that humans are the cause of it; only that we may be helping it along to a small extent.
dang tootin, why i do recall that back then after waking up at 3AM (which was an hour before we went to bed )and started our chores, you remember.... sloppin the cows, milkin the chickens, cutting the firewood, ( even though we had a gas stove and furnace) all that kinda fun stuff. and then eating a hand full of cold gravel for breakfast and being damn happy to get it. before we went trudging off through the blizzard ( in july) to school where if we didn't get straights 'A'S we got an ol fashion ass woopin. both there and at home...then back to the chores where we worked untill about midnight, then did our homework by candle light,( because we couldnt waste the kerosense for the lamps ) ...then go to bed about 4 AM ....
yep the good ol days...how i miss em.
Have some blowing light snow here, I'll take anything but ice. We're forcasted to get a half to 2 inches today. We need more precipitation since we're still in a drought.
Another darn good NWS link about the 1978 Blizzard and its cousin, the 1974 Blizzard. Those of us who have this kind of winter driving experience see 3 inches of snow as laughable and pathetically easy.
http://www.crh.noaa.gov/dtx/stories/blizzard1978.php
http://www.crh.noaa.gov/dtx/1886-1974.php
I was in Chicago in December of 1974 and managed to drive my car all the way home to Keego Harbor, MI even though a long stretch of I-94 in Jackson County, MI was down to one lane with 12-ft high snow piles on either side!
There were a series of blizzards in Kalamazoo, MI during the winter of 1976-77 that left drifts as high as 2nd-story windows in Paw Paw, MI, and we saw overnight temperatures as low as -27F, often with strong gusty winds that dropped the wind chill considerably lower too.
Our jet aircraft also causes global COOLING as was discovered 9-11 when all aircraft was grounded. The vapor trails reflect light back into space. Large herds of cattle on the Kansas Great Plains produce even more methane than I do, contributing to global warming---proof of anything is inconclusive
One last good NWS link before it's time to wrap Christmas gifts: An NWS link giving the history of big US snow storms:
http://www.crh.noaa.gov/mkx/?n=biggestsnowstorms-us
You think that Hurricane Sandy was bad, the Great Blizzard of March, 1888 dumped 40 inches of snow in the NYC area and 50 inches in CT and MA too, back in the days before snowplows!
Well just a couple of weeks ago the idiots on MSDNC were saying there was a dearth of snow because of global warming. Now there is snow because of global warming???!!
You can't confuse climate with weather, as these bozo's are trying to do. No snow a couple of weeks ago? BECAUSE IT HADN'T SNOWED YET! So now it's snowing, in December of all things! Oh the horror!
Look, you can't claim it's climate when it supports your argument then turn right around and say it's weather when it doesn't. Nor can you say EVERY event is global warming!
High temperatures? GLOBAL WARMING!
Low temperatures? GLOBAL WARMING!
No snow? GLOBAL WARMING!
A foot of snow? GLOBAL WARMING!
Do you realize how stupid that sounds? If you want to know why there are so many "deniers", look in the mirror. It's idiotic logic like this that causes the average person to turn away shaking their heads.
This is a garden variety winter storm, complete with snow and wind, if you don't have to go out it's beautiful, if you do it's a PITA. For those of you with sedentary lifestyles, take it easy on the snow shovelling, don't overdo and become a statistic.
Old Timer, That was the 1970's, when we going freeze to death. (I remember being colder than a witches tit in a brass bra on the shady side of an iceburg.) Now, thank God the world is ending in a day or two cause I can't stand anything over 80 degrees.
Ok, there is more to it than this. Have a look,
#!/HaarpStatus
Phil: Did you even read the article? Nowhere does it mention global warming/climate change. And you accuse nbc (it's not msnbc anymore) of having an agenda!
Merry Christmas to all.
Merry Christmas, Okicize!
I hope everyone in Chicago enjoys a white Christmas.
While I thoroughly enjoy reading all of your comments, from smart ass to serious to just plain ignorrant, just dont be a Sheeple. Take a look at the weather links, and data. I have been watching these "bizarre" "freak" storms for over a year or now. Some wierd stuff going on. TORNADO in Alabama. People are talking about it. Suddent temperature drops, increased winds of up to 50, appearing out of now where. People have seen planes spraying again, (in the area of the mid west, closer to Cali.) check out the info before running your mouth. I did. HAARP, look it up. It's no secret, they willingly share there info, & dont seem to think there are any potential negative effects from using it. bull puckey.
#at=1389
Here is a blog I have read. I looked at the links she put in there. There are people sharing what is happenging in their region as this monster moves across the US> Please look up the facts before you pick on people for talking about a bad storm, and making them look like big babies. People have have severe damage from this system already. See for yourself, before shooting off at the mouth. Annomolies in cloud formation have been observed in all areas this storm has touched, starting from the West coast. I have been watching this thing since last week. Up by Alaska, it was huge, it looked like a hurricacne as it came over Washington state, and headed down the Cali. coast. I am not kidding you. go to the NOAA weather satellite view sites, go to your weather stations, have a good look. Hunker down, grab your spaghettios and candles and stay warm people! wheeee whoooooo, It's gonna be a good one! ha ha ;)
Hello,
i am new to this site. I tried to post a link a couple times, am I not allowed to post a link to a web page? not sure, well, I wanted to share with you, the scientific evidence and the American people's weather status repports. The youtube video is from HAARP scientist explaining openly.
UFOTV Holes In Heaven? - HAARP and Advances In Telsa Technology you tube
The other is from MSNBC new facebook page. You can easily find that.
Hi-
Yes, you're allowed, as long as you state the source and author.
You have Windows Internet Explorer or a Mac with Safari?
I have a Mac and I just google the web page article I want, highlight the link on my browser, hit 'edit' then 'copy', then go back to the desired thread where I want to post, and hit 'edit' and 'paste' on my comment entry and type the source and author. I've had no problems - it works for me.
Anyway, welcome and I hope to "see" you around.
Meowski... They usually don't let wackos post links.
No Meow, links are allowed but only after you've proven your instability over two of four weeks - or something like that - just to deter the ultra noisy.
So where in Iowa are you? I live by Ames, we got about 11 inches if not more, the prediction at last count was 7-12, they closed I-35 northbound from Ames to the Minnesota border. On the other, I have a Jeep, so really it;s all good.
No one is forcing you to adopt climate change models. Really, most of the world's leaders have decided that we're not going to do anything about it, so it's a moot point now.
It only really matters if you're trying to apply for a job at (or compete with) an insurance company. The companies that didn't adopt the model for climate change are suffering right now. Isn't economics a heartless mistress?
For the folks who care, you should take a look at your family budgets for 2 new upcoming factors: 1) higher commute cost due to gas prices 2) weather related damages and inconveniences
For those who believe that government is ineffective, please don't plan on counting on government help or relief
For those of you who don't like GMO or evolution... do consider the option of opting out of important medical and health items
You are free to exercise all your options to opt in and out.
Personally, I don't believe that this storm adds any data to climate change. It's just another winter storm. In addition, this storm definitely does NOT disprove climate change.
Global warming is an average. Arguing that a single data point is proof for or against an average is silly. That's like saying that Steve Jobs is proof that Americans all wear turtle necks. It's also wrong to say that no American wear turtle necks. Does that make any sense?
Globally, five countries this year set heat records, but none set cold records.
One hot day doesn't 'prove' global warming. One blizzard doesn't 'disprove' it. Only trends matter.
Lycurgus : another voice of reason and civility. Thanks.
Perhaps the Mayans were right...
I have been enjoying IA Scooter Tramps comments from the first one on down. Thanks for the good humor, I needed a good chuckle.
end of the world tomorrow ....could i turn my clock back up 1 hour?...just to avoid the heavens gates rush hour...if i cant play zombies again ,,,ill be pissed.
Global raining right now where I live! I fear the floods!
Sucks to be you. Its in the 50s and 60s here in Georgia during the day.
Another intelligent post from a conservative.
since when did a foot of snow become a big deal. that used to be a dusting. up here in cow hampshire when they would say still and clear overnite it meant still snowing and clear up to your azz.
ah yes i remember it well------greetings from sunny san diego--i do miss snow but not driving in it! drive with caution----slow down and wear that seat belt. merry christmas-------
I'm from south of Chicago and we got the "lake effect" snow dumped on us on occasion. YUCK! Glad I left that behind. I remember a number of winters the snow was so deep it was way above the cars, the plows would just drive right through and some unlucky SOB's had their cars plowed away along with the snow.
I live in southwest MI and the "Lake Effect" snow is horrible. The funny thing is when I was dating my now wife, her house was just far enough that I had zero visibility so I would call her and say I wasn't going to drive but her house wasn't getting a thing.
Imagine that, and this happening in December!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Oh my gosh look out it's ... winter in the NorthEast. Wow really. They sold 50 shovels by 1:00. Is that a rush or what? I do not think so. Anything for news. Must be a slow news day, but I don't think so. Just someone trying to make their byline in the industry.
midwest tex.....right north of ya'all.
i was wondering when New England became part of the midwest...... should probably read the article before submitting sarcastic commetns.....
Murders happen every day. Perhaps we shouldn't report on them either.
We don't unless it's whites being killed.
Everyone be safe.
the picture caption says "Snow-bound traffic ground to a halt in Superior, Colo., on Wednesday" yet there is hardly any snow on the ground. It seems to be more of an ice problem not a snow problem. Or there were some cows in the road ahead.
haven't you seen the commercials?....there aren't any more cows there, they all moved to California and are now "happy" cows....course when you add together what they are now grazing on, meatless mondays, people who have absolutely no idea what a cow is or what they look like and therefore leave em alone...i can see why they are "happy". heck out that way when they hear the word "cow" they run to TMZ to see what Rosie O'Donald has done now.
scooter,
You owe me a new laptop -- I just spit coffee all over mine! Thanks for the laugh, I needed really needed it today!
TY Yvonne...i try, just love weather articles.
There are cows on the road for the simple reason that Obama had to fire half of the cattle guards in Colorado,, they are being retrained as we speak.. There is no doubt that when they are all done with their training that they will be back as water troughs, wash tubs,shovels,, well you get the idea.
Tennessee here.. Tons of rain only
Yeah, that doesn't look like any reason for traffic to grind to a halt and I'm not sure that it is actually stopped. It may just be slow. The roads are slushy by the looks of it and it is possible there's some ice, but it doesn't look like it. You should still drive slower because slush can be as slick or even more so than ice, but definitely not a reason to be at a standstill. It's true that you have to be more careful on lightly covered roads than heavily covered roads in most cases because more snow means more traction and more to hold your car in one direction, but it really just looks like a normal early winter road to me. I'm a little surprised that they haven't been plowing or at least salting/sanding the highways there, though. They should know how to handle the weather.
EEEKKKK ...rain ...look out driving...specially around Nashville....or Knoxville ...or ...well all ya'all know what i mean ...be careful. ( im being serious here folks, if ya haven't been there...well its an experience. ...bet criminologist knows what i mean.)
Yeah, I'm in NC now and even a sprinking of rain means accidents. I never saw that in Michigan. I'm not sure why it's such a problem in the south.
IA, thanks for making my day! :<) You owe me a laptop too! :<O
Psst...meet me at the snowbank around the corner - I was cleaning out the attic and I found the old Flexible Flyer and Radio Flyer sleds... :-) Race ya!!
I am looking forward to finally having winter arrive in Minnesota. All this warm weather with little snow just doesn't seem like Christmas. Unfortunately we will not get much from this one. it is too far south. We will get cold, well below zero wind chills by this weekend. Best wishes to all of you lucky ones and drive carefully.
so are we the rivers around here have turned into little more then creeks.
Ya! You betchya! Can't wait for da ice fishin.
here hold my beer and watch this...............
LOL!!!!
Rather inconvenient timing eh NBC? this isnt a weekend. but fear not by this weekend it will be on the east coast and you can do your every weekend ....BOO....global warming ...ekk run away......article. and as a added bonus it will be a holiday weekend !! ...cant ya just see them juicy headlines?...
snarls traffic...
slams the coast...
this phenomenon...
howling/bitter winds....
weather was thought to....
strands hundreds...
scientists agree....
MAJOR storm....
major traffic jams.......
major everything...
dust off the ol alarmist / disinformation spin cycle machine there's a thing called ..'WEATHER'.. a comin ...oh whoa is poor ol us........i'll be waiting.......
Oh, wait! You mean they are just sensationalizing their headlines and news stories?! Next you'll tell me Santa isn't real either! :D
. . . It would be nice if the Republicans could approve aid for the victims of super storm sandy - before they get clobbered with snow......
That's up to the president
I didn't know Alaska needed help though. They put in so much other crap with their "aid" bill and are trying to get it passed without the public knowing what else is in it. Seems to be a pattern with Obama.
That's pretty normal for all bills, Jackal. We need to change the law so that every item gets voted on by its own merits and not based on what else can be tacked onto it. Not only will that help keep the junk out of the bills that are passed, but it makes it far easier to know what each politician is voting on. Otherwise, they can just say they voted on a bill a particular way because of one part of it in order to make it sound like they aren't for or against some controversial item.
I agree with that Riamus and I know it is normal for all bills. That is how my high school got a brand new pool because they passed it along with other renovations that were needed and the public was basically told you pass this or the school will not be updated. Funny thing is the pool wasn't built to the correct size and can't do half of the things it was propossed to do (not deep enough for competition diving and too small for water polo). And now the left can point at the right and say how hearless they are. If they would do a line veto/vote, more things would get passed and less of this extra spending will happen. But it won't ever happen because politicians don't want it because it can hide their own agenda and they won't be able to help their friends as easily.
Haven't you heard the news,,,, the WEEKEND has been canceled forever.
Snow in winter? More proof Repugnicans can use that global warming is a myth.
It's not a myth, it has been warming since the last ice age you fool, but I guess your name already implies that. Get a grip.
Snow in Dec,,,Scientists say global warming
hot summer - Scientists say global warming
cold summer in Europe - Scientists say global warming
Scientists need more money to fund there experiments - - Scientists say global warming
My car got a flat tire yesterday - Scientists say global warming
Al - do you have any idea how much the oceans have risen in the last 130 years.......check with NOAA, that number is 8 inches...and that is real....YAWN
ah ha !!!.....a rands right by golly, i just checked my records here on the cave wall and sure enough there's my smart aleck funny comments in my patented charcoal fire-stick....read it and weep 'al'
If this is all that's happening tomorrow on December 21st 2012... then what a bummer!
yep tomorrow they are predicting a large warm front with intermittent chances of fire and brimstone from the sky...
typical Midwest weather all right....
Damn you, that's two laptops you owe me! :<O I can't take anymore!
Wait - what happend to the Zombies? I've been practicing with my crossbow for nothing?!?
Anyway, I declare the world cannot end tomorrow - I want to see Star Trek Into Darkness, dammit!! (Not to mention I want to know if Daryl and Merle escape The Governor on The Walking Dead...) And that new movie about The Wizard of Oz is looking kind of interesting.
Be safe everyone and have a Merry Christmas !
Mary has been gone for years...now i have a Monica Christmes instead.
Scooter,,,,, is that a Monica christmas as in Lewinski,,,you devil you,,what a xmas present you are gonna get
Doogie
big difference...mines hot.....
This is SOCIALISM, I tell ya, SOCIALISM. Gubmint trying to tell us what to do, like stay home and off the streets. Nanny-state SOCIALISM!. I fully expect the fine Republican governors and their tea party supporters to refuse any and all federal aid that might ordinarily come with the declaration of a state emergency.
theres always one..........
And it's you, Scooter.
The photo needs to have a better caption - "snow-bound traffic"??? I see bare pavement...
snow bound? ... SNOW BOUND?....oh honey.....(pause)....what ya mean too kinky?.....( longer pause).....gee i was only askin.....( dejected look)...... don't have to get all mad about it.
ScooterTramp you're sick.
TY Pat
And one idiot driving down the center od the road.
Can't be any worse than the idiot who thought we were brake-checking him the other day for riding on our tail. Actually, we'd stopped because of a deer in the road. He whipped around us and floored it - that deer flew higher than Rudolph. And he totalled his Camry, the jerk. (And yes, once we knew he was alright we did give him the Nelson laugh - Ha! Ha!)
Hey Al.
Mr. Al Gore was Democrat not Republican! He was huge on spreading the word on global warming dude! Republican & damn proud of it!
Now why don't you & I stick to the subject which was the snowstorm not politics!
why bother some folks simply cant its called OCD there are a whole bunch of these people on here....oh and the reply on the lower right is for.....sigh.....nevermind.....
Hey Al.
Mr. Al Gore was Democrat not Republican! He was huge on spreading the word on global warming dude! Republican & damn proud of it!
Now why don't you & I stick to the subject which was the snowstorm not politics!
What do you expect from someone that uses the handle Al Kyda. Probably thinks he's funny, too.
stutter post..............
Isn't that's what scientists refer to as GLOBAL WARMING. As long as the Earth tilts on it's axis, there will be harsh winters. The ice sheets at the poles grow and recede each year, that's nothing new. We could actually survive if the temperature never changed, say if it remained 95* without winter, year around. Humans are more adaptable than SCIENTIST think.
The globe has always entered and left ice ages and that does not mean we should not take care of the planet we live on. Look at all the lifeless planets in the galaxy and it says to me it is miracle we even exist in the first place. All the lifelessness also says it’s not as easy to adapt or the universe would be filled with life. Scientists invented adaptation theories to begin with so I think that they might know a little something about it.
Wait, so you are saying that the globe naturally goes through cycles of increasing temps and then decreasing temps? But yet it is the humans who are at fault for this one? I fail to understand why you fail to understand to imply actual logic to your understanding of the earth.
Yes, people are causing problems with the environment. That's nothing new and I think everyone agrees on that. What I haven't seen any real proof of is that the damage we are causing is the real cause for global warming. As mentioned, the planet goes through natural (i.e. not man-made) weather cycles where temps go up and then go down. We're in the up cycle right now thanks to nature. Sure, we may play a role in the damage we do, but I haven't seen anything that shows that we are the actual cause. Even without humans on the planet, the temps would still be rising.
That being said, 1stFreedom is correct. Even if we aren't the cause, we should still protect the environment. We just don't need to hammer away at the global warming topic over and over. It just gets old.
The one thing I think 1stFreedom is probably wrong about is the ability to live at 95 year-round. I'm not sure how well that would work. For a short period (a few years), that wouldn't be a problem. And if only parts of the planet were like that, it also wouldn't be a problem. But if the entire planet was that temperature year-round for an extended length of time, then unless we build a lot of domes or whatever, we would start having problems. Many animals migrate to cooler temperatures (or warmer) and if the temperatures remained the same, we could lose a lot of animals quickly. Once you start losing a lot of animals, it throws off the food chain and suddenly other animals that rely on the ones that died off will also die off. In the end, it could cause a chain reaction that would leave the planet without many animals left. And that combined with what the higher non-stop temps would do to plants and trees and crops... we would be hard pressed to survive. Some definitely would, but I think the population would decrease drastically. Of course, we're not going to see that happen, so it's a moot point.
A more logical side would be this. The sun has explosions and that may affect our weather patterns. In space you actually have tremendous differences in temperature based on where the heat is coming from. For example you can have 400 degrees on the heat source side and -400 degrees on the other which is why space suits have to be worn. So logically, if an explosion on the sun occurs and we happen to pass through the heat surge then our weather and temperatures may be affected in some unknown manner. The earths bubble protects us from this known effect in space so destroying our bubble may be a bad idea. I just think it's fun to think about these things...
Our ozone/atmosphere protects more from the radiation than the heat. And although temps play a role in needing a space suit, I would think that lack of a breathable atmosphere plays as much or more of a role. ;)
Glad you all agree with me, and yes humanity can live in a 95* environment, look at the equator, people still thrive there, yet hardly any temp. fluctuations. Also with a warmer global climate, crops could be grown year around, wheat, corn, all the vegetables humans would have, no food shortage, more like abundance. Global Warming is no more than a scare tactic, a farce at best. Let me put my heavy coat on, need to run some errands.
GW will be a net plus for the US, it's Africa that will really take it on the chin. If I remember western Europe could end up as cold as Canada, then again they are saying it's record highs.
Nobody REALLY knows, it's all probabilities, not hard fact.
I would hate having a worldwide 95* environment. If no cold, then how am I going to get my special beer that is brewed cold and kept cold?
Grapes will fourish and wine will flow, ok even 85*, any consistant # above 8o* would apply, all depends.
Two years ago we were socked in here in the northeast with three feet of snow. I feel for you in the Midwest because after one foot of snow, anymore is just adding insult to injury. Stay safe and warm.
we depend on snowpack for the fields streams and rivers. drifting is a problem but ya gotta take the good with the bad.
P.S GO PATS....that whole 49er thing had to be a fluke.....
Yeah, snow is very important. It provides most of the needed yearly water supply to the north. Years with low snowfall tend to mean lots of brown grass and shallow rivers and lakes. The northern states know how to handle the snow, so it really isn't a big deal to most of them. I grew up in Michigan, where due to the Great Lakes, we had a lot of snow almost every year. It wasn't a big deal and we didn't think anything of it. I'd drive through blizzards without a second thought. I'd drive a small car down a road that had a foot of snow the entire length at 45 without a second thought. It is just how it is up there and you learn to handle it.
It's winter, folks. Happens every year about this time. If you can't handle it, stay home. More overblown and semi-invented news from MSN.
ScooterTramp, you're not funny and replying to every post is annoying. I am blocking you from my feed.
oh no....!!!! ...not that ........!!!!!...not the bury head in and aproach....!!!!....heavens no, tell me you jest sir.
"He who is deviod of humor is truely poor".......oh how i pity them.......
I think ScooterTramp is kind of funny actually.....
ty lil.... cant please everyone. got me blocked yet pat?
I feel sorry for Pat, blocking LA only hurts himself. Now he will be like the reject in the office that doesn't get a joke and no one will tell him.
Shhh ....dang it jackal why did ya have to tell em......
( I not L ....btw)
That's true Jackal, I'm sure Pat gets down and FUNKY at a party. She seems like such a barrel of laughs doesn't she? lol
Sorry IA, just couldn't see straight, started my end of the world party early. You can never be too careful you know.
When you are having coffee, IA is hazardous to laptops! :<)
Hell, most of the time I only come on here to read Scooter's posts - then I have to fake a cough to cover the laughing so I don't get busted... (Yeah, yeah, listen, it's dead around here. As dead as old Jacob Marley, as the story goes...and that's the only time I really try to jump on here.)
All we get in Houston is flooding, and heat droughts.
Back to the future. The 1950s were known for hot summers, cold winters, drought, east coast hurricanes.
It's all happened before and it is happening again.
http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2012/07/17/joe-bastardi-show-parallels-to-the-1950s-and-tells-us-what-to-expect-looking-forward/
http://icecap.us/index.php/go/new-and-cool/its_the_amo_stupid1/
Be careful on your Christmas travels my blogger friends and enemies. I need you all back safe and sound with your family. My wife and I are leaving this afternoon to be with kids and grandkids. Have turkey and ham and free to travel with road conditions safe.
Merry Christmas and Happy New Years to all.
TY Deb...same to you.....
( enemies...people who ya don't even know and yet here they are. always kinda stuck me as extremely bizarre and downright weird)
Airlines are letting customers change plans WITHOUT FEES?????? Then it's true...the world IS ending!
that would seam the only logical conclusion.
This is such a bummer. Missouri always gets snow up north but for some reason, it mostly seems to jump right around us in St. Louis..... I WANT SNOW!!!
you can have mine ...comeing down hard right now. ...bring your own truck and start on my driveway and then the walks ok?
Not fair.... They said we'll get a few flurries but that's all. What part of town Scooter? I'll have the I'll saddle up the horses now for the trip. :-)
got about 3 inches in the last hour and a half, gotta get off here and get to shoveling. its not bad when you keep ahead of it but if you dont....your screwed.
bye all have a great day and safe day. hope i provided a few smiles........even you pat...
No one wants to be screwed with only 3 inches. That's for sure.
you are full of enough hot air Scooter that you should be able to make your driveway look like it's heated.
It's winter people. It snows. Deal with it.
This just in Obama has appointed Joe Biden to begin working on banning snow.....
and will do about as much good
Scooter: I thought you went to shovel snow. Please go!!!!!