Maybe it was a poor attempt at comedic relief, like when the actor Rob Parker smiled and laughed only seconds before giving his teary-eyed speech.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMINqFGNr-w

In Florida, a man out of his head on drugs. Ran through an elementary school cafeteria (with kids eating). They school district "spokesperson told WFTV it was not considered a breach of security because Bay didn't break in." Later on TV the same spokesperson said that the police are responsible for security, not the school.

http://www.wftv.com/videos/news/video-man-causes-panic-after-running-into-school/vkdKy/

He was making a point...

Christopher Garret Johnson, 33, was met by school staff about 11:40 a.m. before being detained by a sheriff's school resource officer

He knew he'd be detained by the school officer but he showed he was able to walk in (If he really "did" have a rifle) and be confronted by school staff before the officer was even able to arrest him.

He was proving that even though there's an officer right there, he could've taken a lot of people down before the officer could take him out. I had a feeling people would be doing this in their nearby schools to bring awareness to light after last week.

He may have been mentioning to his childrens school in the past that they need higher security and it fell on deaf ears.

It took balls to do what he did. Most of you calling him a dip@!$%#, whatever, need to think outside the box...

So he made his point, now run along, these are not the droids your looking for. I don't see any laws broken but i'm sure they will make a few up. On the other hand, it was kinda inconsiderate and could have been handled another way.

Horribly insensitive act to commit at a time like this... yet at the same time, it is also horribly instructive as far as how this country is ill-equipped to deal with unexpected security breaches.

@george pauljohn, this happened 30 miles from my hometown. The local paper stated he was charged with disorderly conduct. On another note, yesterday someone also placed a bullet in the sink of a bathroom in a High School in my hometown, school went on lockdown until all clear was given.

They arrested him? He should have been paid! He showed a vital security breach was not only possible, but probable. No more sitting around drinking coffee and eating donuts with the secretary, for the deputy!

1.3 Creekdog- you're right on the money. The guy made a point alright, as many should do. Our kids are the most important things in our lives and we need to protect them. He should be released and appreciated for making the point. I don't care what laws they put in there to take guns from the public (law abiding that is) or to take the nut jobs off the street. If someone wants to hurt someone, they can. A good defense is needed when it comes to our kids.

Attack Stopped, Gunman Wounded by Armed Security Guard in Texas Movie Theater

In San Antonio, Texas, over the weekend, an attack on a restaurant and movie theater was stopped by an armed security guard. The gunman first attacked a Chinese restaurant where he worked, firing at his co-workers and then chasing them into the parking lot.

According to reports, Jesus Garcia, 19, then encountered a police cruiser, shooting out the officer’s window before chasing one or more co-workers into a movie theater, firing multiple shots. He wounded a bystander in the theater lobby, but luckily the man survived.

Bexar County Sgt. Lisa Castellano, who was off duty and working as a security guard at the theater, chased Garcia into a bathroom, shooting him several times. Garcia is now in stable condition and being held on a $10 million bond.

The attack was reportedly sparked when Garcia’s girlfriend, who also works at the restaurant, broke up with him earlier in the day.

Watch the report from Happening Now:

http://foxnewsinsider.com/2012/12/18/att...e-theater/

Gee, I wonder why MSNBC isn't covering the people saved by guns with equal zeal...but I'll give them credit for this story (but if it wasn't a government employee they would have ignored it).

Creekdog -

It took balls to do what he did. Most of you calling him a dip@!$%#, whatever, need to think outside the box...

Did it? According to this article

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/articles/417134/20121220/virginia-man-christopher-garret-johnson-arrested-entering.htm

he's being held pending a mental health evaluation.

Did he even have children attending the school? It doesn't say. Would it make a difference in your opinion if some guy with no kids attending the school wandered in off the street with a fake weapon in an effort to "prove a point" about security?

pro

Gee, I wonder why MSNBC isn't covering the people saved by guns with equal zeal

They should report them. Since it's happens far less (maybe 1 in 20) often then the ones that are not stopped.

@OWIF, yes but the voters are here and will vote again. Get some new ideas and perhaps you can play with the others again.

@flnobody, they do report them. You're right, we hardly notice because they are too few for all of the pro-gun hullabaloo.

This was a weak point proven by someone who probably supports milking our schools of funding. Face it, republicans don't want to fund public schools, so security goes by the wayside to keep as much teaching staff as possible. I don't believe there are any security officers IN our K-8 schools in my town.

So what are they charging him with? Illegal possession of lumber?

There's more to this story than has been reported. Simply walking into the school with a 2x4 labeled "high powered weapon" is not a crime.

And WOW, what a coincidence at the names of the schools huh? Spooky!

the media has a bigger role in all these shootings than most give them credit for. With all the hype and drama they try to create and focus o nthe nutjobs that do this.... it just fosters the notion that they will have their 15 minutes. It creates copy cats and Obama just factor that into his gun control scheme. If the news would focus on the victims and stop glorifying the nutjobs... well, it's a step in the right direction.

the media has a bigger role in all these shootings than most give them credit for. With all the hype and drama they try to create and with all the focus on the nutjobs that do this.... it just fosters the notion that they will have their 15 minutes. It creates copy cats and Obama should factor that into his gun control scheme. If the news would focus on the victims and stop glorifying the nutjobs... well, it's a step in the right direction.

@ Creek dog

I think your right on it. This guy was obviously trying to bring attention to the lax security at the school. Had it been a real rifle, the staff that intercepted him would be getting laid to rest in a few days.

the media has a bigger role in all these shootings than most give them credit for. With all the hype and drama they try to create and with all the focus on the nutjobs that do this.... it just fosters the notion that they will have their 15 minutes. It creates copy cats and Obama should factor that into his gun control scheme. If the news would focus on the victims and stop glorifying the nutjobs... well, it's a step in the right direction.

shakalac,

Would it make a difference in your opinion if some guy with no kids attending the school wandered in off the street with a fake weapon in an effort to "prove a point" about security?

Hell yeah. What difference does it make if he had children attending that school or not? Anybody would be held pending a psychic evaluation.

So, what's your point? I mean, I don't know exactly where you're coming from here.

Bottom line is, whether he was making a point or not, the fact is that he walked into a school and if he did "indeed" have a rifle, he showed he could have wreaked havoc even though there was a security guard there. Correct?

I'll bet it hit home already to the staff and parents.

The misconception most people have is, "It always happens to somebody else, never me"...............Until it's too late. Then the back peddling begins...

Okeeboy, Laztstrall,

You two are the very few that actually "thinks outside the box". If you ask me, it's a gift & an advantage.

Have a nice day...

so if they would've have killed him, perceiving him as the threat he was pretending to be, they would have been justified?

He could've been a hero for the cause.

shakalac,

Still do not know where you're coming from man.
The guy had a 2x4 with "HIGH POWERED RIFLE" written on it. If the guard shot him for that, then I would think the guard also needs a psychotic evaluation.

MIke,

Ummmmm, I think we get your point dude. LOL

#1. It's against the LAW to have guns on school properties. #2. If in fact he was making a point, he could have and probably should have been shot in leu what what has just happened. This guy was a fool!

Oh, he had a 2 X 4......I just I didn't read that, my bad. But if he had a gun my statement above still stands. Yeah I just went back up to read, the HIGH POWERED RIFLE is all I saw at first. So don't jump on me guys!

Still do not know where you're coming from man.
The guy had a 2x4 with "HIGH POWERED RIFLE" written on it. If the guard shot him for that, then I would think the guard also needs a psychotic evaluation.

They were meant to think he was a possible threat. That was the point he was trying to make.

If they didn't act accordingly, they would be faulted for not protecting the lives of the children. So. What would have been "to act accordingly"? Not knowing who he was, or what kind of threat he really represented (an unknown guy with a 2 x 4 and who knows what else on him) should they should have just taken him down on the spot? They would have been completely justified to do so,perhaps. For those who say that schools should be armed, this could have been an entirely plausable scenario.

Is this really what our country is coming to?

Not knowing who he was, or what kind of threat he really represented (an unknown guy with a 2 x 4 and who knows what else on him) should they should have just taken him down on the spot? They would have been completely justified to do so,perhaps. For those who say that schools should be armed, this could have been an entirely plausable scenario.

What would YOU be saying about him then, Creekdog? Admiring a dead man for his actions? What would YOU be saying about the school if that happened?

Opinion are like @!$%#s, we all have one & I made mine.

I'm done here...

Have a nice day man.

He may have been trying to make a point but he also stirred terror in others just to make his statement- wrong way to go.

He should have been beaten by a half-dozen foot-long 'Contenders'.

"Thought I was done here."

ProFreedom,

So, last (Friday's mayhem) weeks point making "is" the way to go?! The problem is again, people think it always happens to someone else and never them, "Until it's too late.

Please tell me what the "Right way to go" is...............................................

Hundreds upon hundreds of people have been telling their local schools that they need higher security and other means of keeping people out until "let" or "cleared" to go inside the Bldg. since Columbine only to fall on deaf ears "until it happens again!" BUT, it's too late for those "It always happens to someone else and never us" people.

When you reply as to the correct way to go about it, keep in mind the falling on deaf ears people.

Thanks, CD

Creek Dog is exactly right. The man should not have even made it through the front door..Where had the guard been? Was he on his way back from the break room?

How for do we tax people to pay for all this? I feel I am obligated to help pay for the basics. I do not want to pay for sports , but I have to pay for the playing fields and the upkeep. Now you want me to pay for a full time swat team. I am at the end of the giving. You have children pay your own way.

theendisnear,

It's not about whether you have children or not, it's call being an "American" and being "Humane".

What the hell would you care for anyway, according to your name, you'll be dead tomorrow anyway (Dec. 21st).

Have a nice.....life

Wouldnt be hard theendisnear1. We just need to stop giving the lazy more and more money directed to us by our liberal overlords.

How for do we tax people to pay for all this? I feel I am obligated to help pay for the basics. I do not want to pay for sports , but I have to pay for the playing fields and the upkeep. Now you want me to pay for a full time swat team.

One way I've heard suggested is that those buying the guns and the ammo should be the ones who finance this through their purchases. A tax or what have you to pay for the protection of schools, malls, movie theaters and other public places that seem to be the favorites of the (most often gun-toting) crazies.

Creek you love giving of other peoples money. Well I will tell you this. I will not pay to protect your kids. Do you have no end to your freebies. Yes I will live in a cave so you have money to protect your kids. Do not come to my cave when all your resources are gone. And as for my name that is your fear of me.

Made a point alright,if he had been in Los Angles he would have been a dead point because the cops,about ten of them, would have shot him about a hundred times in the back.

so this guy gets the "treatment" that the killer Adam should have gotten had he not done himself in....how sad. This man showed us that we are reaction based, not prevention based and that we govern with emotion and not logic.

The main point is:

YOU CANNOT GOVERN BAD PEOPLE, thats why this guy has been arrested and detained, he was a good person that is now being governed by detention...no bad person would have been...the cop/security and the people at the school would have been dead

to me it just goes to show, they only catch the good guys...and they cannot prevent the bad people from obtaining "weapons" because had he been bad, lives would have been lost with no doubt about that.

so in a way, we control/detain/prevent the good people in hopes of controlling the bad people...accept we forget they don't work out of the same play book.

shakalac that is a good idea to sell the thing to satisfy the masses. Then that will dry up and again the tax payer will be holding the bag.

It would be interesting to hear how he considered the children when he did this. Should they really be an afterthought when making a "point" or "thinking outside the box"?

The point this man made has proven the distraction of the Gun control debate is just that... A distraction.... If people are serious about keeping schools safe, then you need to keep that bad guys out of the school which wasn't accomplished here even with the armed sheriff on premise.

WTF - so I can write "bomb" on a cardboard box and get onto the train without being immediately arrested. Do people want a freaking police state? Cops armed with true(automatic) assault rifles on every corner inspecting our bags and detaining us if we look suspicious??!!

In the US, deaths due to mass shootings are considerably less than those by lightning strikes each year. Both are bad, but get some perspective for crying out loud. Many, many more people die in much more preventable ways but here we are, focused on the extreme outliers while ignoring that huge bell curve.

And don't get me started on the media's obsession with these stories. Gee, I wonder why crazy people mimic this stuff - and people wonder "where do they get these ideas.. must be video games" - uh no, how about every outlet bombarding us 24/7 with every detail they can find, make up, speculate on, whatever. How bad is it? Right now, google returns 17,400,000 hits for that psycho's name. Last week he was unknown, now he has 17 MILLION mentions and I'm sure that will be 20M by Monday.

shakalac that is a good idea to sell the thing to satisfy the masses. Then that will dry up and again the tax payer will be holding the bag.

If that resource "dries up", as you say, then we won't need the protection as much, will we? There won't be as much of a threat. Even if people stop buying guns, they're still gonna need ammo for them if they want to keep using them. A nonstop market.

Hey Creek here is a idea for you. Go to school in the day with your kids. And work nights. Do not force me to take a second job to pay for you kids.

Hey, theendisnear1, how about you do the same. Don't be forcin' everyone else to pay for YOUR kids.

shakalac Did you ever here of stock up. You assume that as it is bought it is used. Not proactive to me.

shakalac, your idea is wrong. How about everyone who buys a car -- and the gasoline to run it -- be required to pay extra taxes to finance road construction, emergency room costs and funeral costs for everyone who is injured or killed in automobile wrecks? Or maybe just make the people who are actually responsible for those wrecks pay for it all. You know, the people who ignore traffic laws, steal cars, act like they own the world and have the right to drive as irresponsibly as they want.

Just like the people who ignore the gun laws already in existence.

theendisnear and Edna were both patients in a mental hospital. One day while they were walking past the hospital swimming pool, theendisnear suddenly jumped into the deep end.

He sank to the bottom of the pool and stayed there. Edna promptly jumped in to save him. She swam to the bottom and pulled theendisnear out.

When the director of Nursing became aware of Edna's heroic act, she considered her to be mentally stable. When she went to tell Edna the news she said,

"Edna, I have good news and bad news. The good news is you're being discharged; since you were able to rationally respond to a crisis by jumping in and saving the life of another patient, I have concluded that your act displays sound mindedness.

The bad news is that theendisnear, the patient you saved, hung himself in his bathroom with the belt to his robe right after you saved him. I am sorry, but he's dead. "

Edna replied, "He didn't hang himself, I put him there to dry. How soon until I can go home?

No pun, just havin' fun...;-)

Of course there's that. But I bet even now there's ammunition bought every day.

But I think at least it's movement in the right direction. Unlike stalled, as we are currently with this issue.

And what's nice about that, Quacked, is even criminals buy ammo. I'm sure most don't make their own. Or gun repair.....

TQO I am not on here asking for the swat team.

Dog stay on here and give it you best shot. Your childish insults do nothing to me.

Did your mom use guilt on you? Do you think it works on everybody?

Just having fun. I could've just wrote Creek Dog in there instead.

Don't get your panties in a bunch man. Where's your humor? Unless you live under a rock "or in a cave" or something... Honestly, you sound really miserable dude.

My mother had 8 children...........then her uterus fellllll ouuut! See, humor. Gotta have it our you'll be living in a cave and miserable.... or even worse, like possibly complaining of being taxed to help pay for soccer fields or something.

Turns out Sandy Hook, not Sandy Creek, is a place name describing the geography. Sandy Hook is a spit of land surrounded by water. I thought it was a person's name. Whoops!

Sandy Creek in northern Georgia would be a little harder to explain unless it used to be part of an ancient seabed exposed. I think that would be a geographical oddity in that region.

shakalac,

As long as we make it so only liberals pay for entitlements and illegal aliens, sure.

He may have been trying to make a point but he also stirred terror in others just to make his statement- wrong way to go.

Do you think he was going to get their attention by saying "Excuse me, please?"

Hi, CD.

Hello folks, a Sandy Hook parent makes a plea to you. See how this tragic event spurns this reaction just one day after the event. Now put yourself in his shoes, wouldn’t you react the same way?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=urrRcgB581w

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c8nTZKpmtlQ&feature=player_embedded

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SdCTqY8TYIo

G-Afternoon screminmimi.

Time for another joke...

Happy and Sad

A husband and wife were sitting watching TV when he turned to his wife and said,

'Honey, tell me something that will make me happy and sad all at the same time.'

She thought for a second and said, 'You have the biggest dick of all your friends.'

One more...

The Happy Hangover

Jack wakes up with a huge hangover after attending his company's Christmas Party. Jack is not normally a drinker, but the drinks didn't taste like alcohol at all. He didn't even remember how he got home from the party. As bad as he was feeling, he wondered if he did something wrong.

Jack had to force himself to open his eyes, and the first thing he sees is a couple of aspirins next to a glass of water on the side table. And, next to them, a single red rose! Jack sits up and sees his clothing in front of him, all clean and pressed. He looks around the room and sees that it is in perfect order, spotlessly clean. So is the rest of the house.

He takes the aspirins, cringes when he sees a huge black eye staring back at him in the bathroom mirror. Then he notices a note hanging on the corner of the mirror written in red with little hearts on it and a kiss mark from his wife in lipstick: "Honey, breakfast is on the stove, I left early to get groceries to make your favorite dinner tonight. I love you, darling! Love, Jillian"

He stumbles into the kitchen and sure enough, there is a hot breakfast, steaming hot coffee, and the morning newspaper all waiting for him. His son is also at the table, eating. Jack asks, "Son... what happened last night?"

"Well, you came home after 3 in the morning, drunk and out of your mind. You fell over the coffee table and broke it, and then you puked in the hallway, and got that black eye when you ran into the door."

Confused, he asked his son, "So, why is everything in such perfect order and so clean? I have a rose, and breakfast is on the table waiting for me?"

His son replies, "Oh THAT! Well, Mom dragged you to the bedroom, and when she tried to take your pants off, you screamed, “Leave me alone, I'm married!'"

CD,

ROFLMAO!!!!

Thanks, I needed that!

So they were able to "catch the crime" this time........ how many issues with aircraft have been found AFTER the person boarded the plane? How many buildings are being left UNGUARDED? I know that my own office building has ZERO protection against an armed intruder. Would gladly stand & be counted as someone that could stop an attack, but I'd rather have my pistol with me when needed.

Guess we'll have to just throw chairs..............

If I started a new business today, it would be security dogs, trained to detect firearms. And if I had a business, they would be at the front and back doors, and along with myself, I would have some trusted employees trained and armed, and see to it that they spent time on a firing range practicing on a regular basis.

After Virginia Tech, schools should have started considering armed protection with at least one teacher trained and carrying, perhaps a locked safe for the firearm, but having one on hand in case of emergency. We all thought Columbine was an aberration; clearly, it was not, and we have waited too long and suffered too many casualties to think it will stop merely by legislating gun control. It is the people who are out of control.

Hello folks, Problem – Reaction – Solution. As Rahm Emanuel has said “You never let a serious crisis go to waste.”

Problem – Children and teachers murdered at school by a person on legal pathogenic Big Pharma drugs with a gun.

Reaction – Community and citizenry are horrified and fearful. They are “reminded” by their government “why they are needed” and beg government to intervene.

Solution – Government creates taskforce to provide pre-emptive recommendations.

1. Repeal or alter citizen’s second amendment rights.
2. Remove guns from its citizenry.
3. Implement and install metal detectors at all schools.
4. Implement and install surveillance cameras in all schools and class rooms.
5. Require children to have a RFID tracking chip installed.

If you think this is farfetched how do you think our government has been getting away with taking our country to a different war every year and allowing the banksters to fleece us. What was once considered conspiracy is now reality, there are no coincidences! Wake up people!

The way I see it, I think this illustrates that it isn't so much the laws that provide protection as it is enforcement. The guy was stopped and detained. What isn't clear is if this "Sheriff's school resource officer" was serving the role as a guard at the school.

The simple fact is that if we think our kids are valuable, we should be willing to pay to protect them. Banks, bars, theaters, grocery stores, etc, often have armed security guards. Why not schools? Kids go in these other places too. However, those suggesting that we arm teachers as a solution are just trying to take the cheap way out.

Personally, I think this is a no brainer. Have at least one trained armed security person specifically there for such purpose. I would propose that it either be a law enforcement officers or some trained, authorized/deputized person reporting to local law enforcement.

I often see around school zones, during start and end times, a squad car with an officer doing some traffic duty. Typically these guys are there to slow traffic down and catch speeders in the school zone. That's fine, and in that role, the reason they are there is to protect the kids from the dangers of careless traffic around the schools. Is it that much more of a stretch to provide them with a bit more protection while in the school?

We can write all kinds of laws, but they do little to stop someone from committing such actions as occurred recently. All it ends up being is some additional charges that can be tacked on posthumously to the next mass shooter. If the local police agencies were required to post some form of armed and trained police personnel. we could in fact prevent and stop these kinds of incidents. New gun laws will do little if anything at all. Better mental healthcare readily available will help some, but a properly trained individual there to intercede, is really going to be the best effective way after all the prvention attempts fail. In the big scheme of things it will be a far less expensive approach and can probably be very quickly implemented nationwide. Lets just do it already and move on.

I've seen comments like one armed person won't stop a crazed killer with an assault weapon, but he/she can. It is not like the "assault weapon" is magical. Sure it might be foolish for this armed individual to confront the individual face to face, but properly trained, this person will look for the advantage. I have no qualms about these crazed killers getting stopped by a bullet to the back of their head. There is no "honorable" way to kill these guys, you use any method that works. I don't see it mattering much if he sees it coming or not. Best scenario is to strike when he isn't looking.

I have also seen comments about armed school officials or teachers and how foolish it would be to take on such an animal with a little pocket pistol. Well, maybe the odds are with the crazed shooter, but spraying and praying is still going to be better than dying without trying. Most often it seems like these shooters will go after anyone they encounter, so it really shouldn't be a question of debating whether or not to use that little pistol. If you are remotely in range of someone who has already started shooting people, you give it your best try, because you're probably dying anyway if you don't.

I'd be OK with carry licensed school officials having their gun, but I don't see it as a solution. At best it is a last ditch back-up. The properly trained person there specifically for that purpose, makes the most sense. I also think that knowing he could be facing numerous armed individuals, just might be enough to discourage the shooter in the first place. Might be easier to find a softer target. Shooting fish in a barrel is a bit more difficult when the fish are capable of shooting back.

Creek, you are too funny! We need not a little but a whole lot more humor, thanks!

gordon

Where was the sheriff's school resource officer on Friday when this terrible tragedy occurred?

Budget cuts.

P.S.

You do know this wasn't the same school that the shooting took place, right?

Don't think they even had one in Newtown. Given the area, there was probably no pressing need for one.

Yes, realized it wasn't the same after I entered the comment.

I can't help but picture this guy storming around like Hacksaw Jim Duggan, board slung over his shoulder.

The ones to worry about? That'd be the lynch mob witchhunter, nazi-prone bible thumping libtard hybrid obot-bushbot-reagan breeder beotchs. This guy simply expressed how silly it is to rubberize planet earth and also how guns are the least of our worries. Dude's a hero. Get over it and get back to work for the tax man.

Mass shootings kill less people each year than lightning strikes. When and where will your little snowflakes be safe? The odds of them being killed or injured in a car accident are exponentially more likely than something happening at school, yet I bet you don't think twice about them riding in a car.

I don't mean to sound crass, what happened was obviously horrific and tragic - but let's get some perspective here. All this knee jerk "arm the teachers" and "no one takes their safety seriously" talk is just one giant emotional overreaction. So yes, let's throw all of our time. energy and resources to solve a problem that rarely happens while more kids/people die needlessly in much more mundane ways each day.

So do you want your kids to go to school in a prison . How many guards do you want to man the front door , what about the perimeter fence do we electrify it and put gun towers on the corners .

For all the 'gun enthusiasts' out there, I have a direct question and lets see who's 'man' enough to give a thoughtful, intelligent response.. Are YOUR precious 2nd amendment right to 'bear arms' more important than all the victims of school shootings 'right to the pursuit of live, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness'?!

I personally doubt very much that our founding fathers would have EVER included weapons of mass destruction in those rights but, hey, I'm not a history scholar.

Btw, on Friday afternoon, after seeing the news coverage reporting the horrific attack at Sandy Hook, my (teacher) step-daughter's boyfriend thought it was necessary to run out and get a couple more semi-automatic assault weapons. Yeah, her father and I were just so thrilled to hear that. All I can say is that I'm really glad the little bastard is going out of state for the holidays and won't be at our table on Christmas... I'd have a really hard time not spitting in his face. Please pray that she never marries this insensitive, incredibly SELFISH creep.

Btw, my husband is also a teacher... and his classroom does NOT have doors at ALL.

My niece is a teacher in a school for emotionally disturbed kids (her first year at this school) and is threatened by her students every day (it was the only job she could get teaching... and she had experience teaching at a school for autistic kids in NYC).

Lets all keep in mind that wmd's have NO practical use. I grew and lived a couple of decades in an area that has a very strong gun culture; I'm can understand personal protection for people who truly need it (think hospice or home health workers that have to go into neighborhoods afflicted with high crime rates) and totally understand that some people need to hunt to fill their freezers.

For all you gun 'enthusiasts' out there that insist on being able to get semi automatics and gun clips that can take out dozens of people at a time... your supreme selfishness is astounding. Now go tell a couple of school kids why exactly you NEED that WMD (as a penis extension???). Or are you going to be the next one who makes an attack in a public place?

We need to shut all the loopholes at the gun shows (shut them down completely), require certified training, written and practical proficiency testing, registration, licensing, renewals of licenses every couple of years, requirements for insurance for each and every gun, requirements to report a stolen or missing gun to the police immediately, and if a crime is committed with YOUR piece of property you damned well better be able to come up with a reasonable explanation of how that gun got into the attackers hands or you get to share the sentence with him.

Btw, I happen to have a sibling with mental illness; this country needs to provide much more access to mental healthcare services in addition to support for families of those afflicted. My brother got sick when I was in Jr. High and I spend my entire teen years terrified of what could happen... you have no idea what it's like to live with someone tormented by hallucinations.... and then go to school and be bullied because of moronic little @!$%#s who had no idea of the situation. I love my brother dearly and this year, after 30 years we finally managed to get that relationship healed. Please don't sweep this issue under the rug... families are desperate to be helped... not ostracized, not gossiped about, but actually supported when they need support so very much.

Sounds like a TP tactic to me, also.

Now I'd like to actually hear some intelligent responses. I'm waiting.

Are YOUR precious 2nd amendment right to 'bear arms' more important than all the victims of school shootings 'right to the pursuit of live, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness'?!

Thoughtful and intelligent being relative terms....here goes. First and foremost, it is not my 2nd Amendment right, but the right of every American. Our right and their safety are not mutually exclusive. This is not an either or situation. The 2nd Amendment is a reminder that each and every one of us is responsible for our own safety. Not the government, the Army or the police. We are responsible. The 2nd Amendment reminds us that not only are we responsible, but that the government, Army or police are not allowed to infringe upon our ability to protect ourselves. For those that believe the Constitution is what sets us apart from the rest of the world and allows us to raise our children as we see fit, this sort of question is the height of silliness. For those that would allow the government even more power over our lives....well, I guess that question is a means to an end.

Seems like a MORAL issue to me. Ruger, nobody in their right mind could trust you and your ilk. Now go justify yourself to the victims families. So you need a 'piece' that fires hundreds of rounds to protect yourself? Really? Give me a freaking break.

I personally doubt very much that our founding fathers would have EVER included weapons of mass destruction in those rights but, hey, I'm not a history scholar.

A semi-automatic rifle is not a weapon of mass destruction. Don't be so dramatic. I don't live in a terrible area, but the inner city is only 15 minutes away. Plenty of incidents occur. I'm not a karate expert and most of the thugs have guns or knives, why shouldn't I have the same?

requirements for insurance for each and every gun, requirements to report a stolen or missing gun to the police immediately, and if a crime is committed with YOUR piece of property you damned well better be able to come up with a reasonable explanation of how that gun got into the attackers hands or you get to share the sentence with him.

Some people do get insurance, although it's not mandatory. The main reason they get insurance is so they can pay for the trial they will have after they are sued by the family of the guy who you shot while breaking into your house.

If my safe gets broken into and my guns stolen, of course I would report it. If the thief decided to go shoot someone with a stolen gun, it wouldn't be my responsibility. The guns were in a safe.

You say having a gun is a penis extension, but then you want intelligent responses?

So you need a 'piece' that fires hundreds of rounds to protect yourself? Really? Give me a freaking break.

I don't know what kind of guns you think the average citizen has access to, but if this is an indication, you are completely wrong.

Growing up did you ever have a semi-automatic .22 rifle? That's exactly what we have access to, just in a bigger caliber. These guns don't shoot hundreds of bullets at a time. In fact, here in NY, as well as in CT, the gun laws still follow the original AWB. No more than 10 round magazines.

Now go justify yourself to the victims families.

Justify what? Like I said, thoughtful and intelligent are relative terms. I'm sure glimmmerr believes that post to be both.

Reflecting on the situation, I've come to think that the gun lobby feeds the fear, not the courage in our population. I'm not so sure that assault weapon owning individuals crazed with terror are going to be sufficiently prepared to fend off whatever it is they are afraid of in the end times. Such a simplistic thought process behind the recent gun grabbing. Good luck with the bad boyfriend. Pythons, pit bulls, assault weapons, meth labs, and metal thieves - welcome to my world? Whatever happened to protecting that outpost on the frontier?

Has anybody noticed that Zombie Apocalypse is today what cowboys and indians was? I'm sure all American Indians are glad that the popular imagination has made that shift.

He should be publicly beaten with his own 2x4!

Seems like a MORAL issue to me.

This has been bothering me. Who's MORALS are we going with? Yours, mine, the guy down the street or maybe the governments? Maybe you refer to the morals of society as a whole. What is your sense of morality based on? The Bible, your upbringing or something you read at the airport? Are you really talking about a sense of fair play or maybe an understanding of right from wrong? Because neither of those have to do with morals. My guess is that you have decided on the proper course of action and you feel you know better than anybody who might disagree. That is the epitome of closed mindedness.

Your ignorant rant and name calling shows you don't want intelligent responses. You've made up your mind, not based on facts, but on your emotions and ignorance about the guns you so hate. You remind me of the rabid anti-abortion crowd that just wants to scream "baby killers" while insisting abortions are used primarily as an easy form of birth control by slutty women. Your type doesn't care about facts or rational discussion... you're way beyond any of that.

I think Creek Dog missed the point by thinking outside of the box to begin with. This was bizarre behavior by an adult. Creek Dog assumes that the man with the 2x4 was making a point that would instantly spring to mind for someone like Creek Dog. That may be comforting for the Creekmeister, but it may not be what the guy was actually thinking or what he intended to demonstrate. The truth is often stranger than fiction. Don't be fooled by presumptions and assumptions. The offender would have been a clever chap to have emerged from the school under arrest proclaiming, "My intent was to expose a weakness in school security here." It is bizarre that his intention was unclear: definitely a Tea Party trait. I have a challenge for Creek Dog: Who the heck is Sandy Creek? Not a person's name, maybe a famous educator like Montessori? Wait a minute... I know of a Sandy Creek outside of Athens, GA - Sandy Creek Park.

Are YOUR precious 2nd amendment right to 'bear arms' more important than all the victims of school shootings 'right to the pursuit of live, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness'?!

"That among these are Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness" appears in the second sentence of the Declaration of Independence, the intended audience of which was King George William Frederick, who was king of both England and Ireland at the time of the American Revolution.

The Bill of Rights, which is the first ten amendments to the Constitution of the United States, was drawn up to limit Congress so it could not abuse its power in creating laws that would be unfair to certain citizens or else otherwise unreasonable. A number of the original thirteen colonies refused to ratify the Constitution without the Bill of Rights accompanying it, which is why it was written. The fact that the right of the citizenry to keep and bear arms (weapons suitable for the reasonable use of an individual) is addressed in the SECOND Amendment out of ten, only after the protections afforded citizens by the First Amendment, speaks volumes about how important it was.

The Fourteenth Amendment to the Constitution of the United States, adopted in July of 1868, states in Section 1 that "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."

The Fourteenth Amendement is the only place where "life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness" appears in the Constitution of the United States and the amendment is the one which essentially bars states from passing laws which discriminate against certain citizens based on their race, ethnicity, or color.

I personally doubt very much that our founding fathers would have EVER included weapons of mass destruction in those rights but, hey, I'm not a history scholar.

The Founding Fathers DID NOT include Weapons of Mass Destruction (WMD) as a right protected by the Constitution. This is why Nuclear, Biological, and Chemical (NBC) weapons have been held under extremely tight control by the United States War Department and later the United States Department of Defense (post - August 1949). I am not aware that any of the Reserve or National Guard organizations have ever handled or been in custody or control of any WMD, for that matter. Uncle Sam has always held any WMD in the inventory very close to his vest and the US Government has been very active in eliminating stockpiles of such weapons in recent years. They destroy them, they don't surplus them! Anything that qualifies as WMD would be considered an 'offensive weapon' under the laws of every state that I am aware of, as they cannot be practically used by a person to defend themselves from harm. The whole idea of WMD is that affects everyone, or nearly everyone, in a given geographical area. The real use for WMD is as a strategic deterrence between nations that are at military odds with each other. Any citizen caught with poison gas or weaponized biological material - to say nothing about anything nuclear - is going to find themselves in a HEAP of trouble.

One person's rights end where another person's rights begin. An adult American citizen has the right to possess and occasionally use small arms of any sort as long as such use is not affecting any other citizen in such a way as to deprive them of their rights without due process of law. This is why it is illegal to use a weapon of any sort to threaten or intimidate another person, or, naturally, to use a weapon of any sort to injure or kill them. If someone does not consent to being injured or killed, only the legal system in the United States can impose that on them. This is why we have courts of law!

Strasburg, VA is a broken town? Why?

I agree. What if he went in there and clubbed everyone to death? You don't think you could kill a kid with a 2 X 4! Even if he wanted to get in, does anyone think he would have went thru the front door? If he would have been shot and killed, would anyone be saying "Bravo for proving your point"? I don't teach my daughter to live in fear. Now my nephew is scared to go to school due to this idiot (I live in VA and he was newsworthy enough) and what a volunteer said about school killings. Now the "end of the world" is tomorrow. I wonder what's going to happen at midnight!

Sounds like the Principle went to the same leadership class as Obama. We'll review it when we get a chance.

Just the Assault 2X4's not the 2X4's used for hunting......

Does anybody really need an assault 2x4? I don't believe the framers had this in mind when they wrote the building codes. Get it? The framers....

lol

You hit the nail on the head!

It's not. People are just using guns as an escape. It is a popular topic and so people latch on to it. It sounds like an easy fix, so they ignore whether or not it really solves anything. We are very good at looking at the popular topics as ways to fix problems rather than looking at the real problem and fixing it using a solution that actually makes sense. Stricter gun laws (to a point) make sense and I think the gun show loophole needs fixed. But making guns illegal isn't going to solve anything. Other countries have much higher gun ownership levels than the US, but much lower gun crime. If guns are the problem, that wouldn't be the case. The problem is society. Kids are "raised" without parental supervision and guidance. They are "raised" without discipline - after all, discipline is illegal these days. They are "raised" in a world where everyone blames someone else and few will take responsibility for their own actions and face the consequences. Until we change how children are raised, society will continue to degenerate and we'll have more and more crime.

Another example of where we attack the "hot topic" rather than the real problem is in regards to childhood obesity. Michelle Obama loves to attack food sources and claim they are the reason for overweight children. It's an easy topic because everyone knows food affects weight. But that isn't the problem and I think she knows it. She just wants her spotlight. Fast food and school food in general have gotten healthier over the last 20 years even before she started her crusade. Yet kids are getting more and more overweight. It isn't the food even though that of course plays a role. The problem is lack of excercise. Today, kids are usually not allowed to roam the neighborhoods anymore because of the perception of increased danger. That means less excercise, especially when most kids have very small yards that don't allow much room for running around. PE is being reduced greatly in schools because of standardized testing... the schools need more time to teach, so PE and other things like the Arts are cut or reduced. Many schools have PE once every 2 weeks for a short period of time. Schools are also reducing recess time for the same reason. The result? Kids have far less opportunity to run around and that means that even with a healthy diet, they are more likely to be overweight than they were 20 years ago.

We need to stop attacking the hot topics and instead go after the real problems. Sure, the real problems may be more difficult to fix or more complicated, but you don't solve a problem by fixing things that are only lightly connected. You need to fix the real problem and then even if you do nothing to the other things, you'll have reduced that problem most of the way. At that point, if it's still an issue, you can worry about the various minor things. But you need to start out by fixing the real problem.

Running around outside is good for mental health too. Sunshine, rain, it's all good. Lovin' it! I fenced in my yard. It was hard work. Now I can let the little ones out on the swing set and to play in the yard with a sense of security from them wandering off and from dangerous animals or people wandering in. One was looking at the sales papers saying, "I want this toy. I want that toy." It made me chuckle inwardly to think that I could put her and her cousin in the yard with a 50 pound 3 dollar bag of sand and they would play all day, interacting with the real world. I heard a story on the radio on the disconnect between children and electronic toys and entertainment (marvelling in the novelty, the black box) - versus that play that engages the child, imagination, and environment, engaging the soul.

As to the people who say the schools should all have heightened security, please explain how they are going to afford to do that

Maybe we could renegotiate some of those teachers contracts. You know...For the kids.

Teachers are already paid very little for what they do. Too many people think that teaching is some easy job with tons of time off. Until you work or volunteer in a school daily for at least a few months, you really don't understand what you're talking about. Education is one of the most important things in this country. Better education reduces a lot of problems, such as poverty and crime. Other than medicine, it's probably the most important profession in this country. Doctors get paid a lot, but most teachers get paid very little. Teachers often have to work after school or take their work home with them on a regular basis. Teachers have to take classes each year, including during the summer vacation. They have to deal with kids who have no discipline these days and parents who want to blame the teacher just because their kid gets into trouble. In most cases, teachers face regular criticism and rarely get any thanks. Because of this, a very high percentage of new teachers quit teaching to find another job within 2 years of starting. Do you realize that someone can make more money than many first year teachers just from the starting pay of a data entry position where all you do is sit at a computer and type all day? Tell me, is that really worth more than dealing with everything a teacher has to deal with? And that's for a regular 40 hour work week. Most teachers work more than 40 hours every week. Yes, there are some teachers who have been around for 20+ years who make some decent money. Yes, there are some school districts in richer neighborhoods who pay the teachers really well. But when teachers have starting pay as low as around $25k per year in some places, then there is a problem.

It's stupid to suggest that teachers should be paid less. They should be paid more as far as I'm concerned. And I am not a teacher. I've just worked in many schools and volunteered in many schools over the years and I know what it's like.

you really don't understand what you're talking about.

You really are full of yourself aren't you? You don't know me, where I live, what district I am in or anything at all of the financial situation in my district. Yet you tell me I don't understand what I'm talking about?

Ruger, I haven't seen anything that you've posted that makes me reconsider my thoughts at all. And NO, you don't understand what you're talking about at all.

Interesting image you chose to portray yourself there.. very telling.

Interesting image you chose to portray yourself there.. very telling.

Haha. I get that all the time. A blank square is even more telling.

@ riamus

well we could cut back on the defense budget, then use that money to increase school security. i would rather see our children getting protected in the US, instead of other nations getting protected by our troops.

eric -

Excellent idea.

Glimmerr, why don't you give it up! You're lucky anyone responded to your overemotional, insult/profanity-laced post in the first place. It is obvious to anyone that it is not worth debating you because you've already won in your own mind, and if anyone answers you logically like some have, you will probably resort to more over-emotional insults.

Sandy Hook was a tragedy that has revealed that a lot of people are very willing to give up a right that courageous people have fought and died for, in exchange for a little imagined temporary protection. They want to give up the only right in the constitution that has the actual teeth to protect all other rights.

And don't think for one minute politicians care about your safety, there have been many documented court cases that decided the gov. and the cops were not responsible for yuor personal protection. Look it up. They just want the only law of the land that is expressly aimed towards them to go away.

Using a page from your playbook I will say that if you think that taking guns from law-abiding citizens will prevent the mentally unstable and criminals from using guns in the future makes you, well, a special kind of stupid.

Have a nice unprotected life.

Security officers don't work for free and if the school has no money to pay for one, then how do you expect it to happen?

Why not a volunteer system? I would be willing to bet the CCW's in any school district would be more than happy to step up to protect their schools after this horrible incident. They would have to give them an exemption to the 'gun free zone', but I don't doubt that people would be willing to spend a couple hours a week ensuring the safety of children.

Why not a volunteer system?

Many on these boards have made this suggestion and even though the initial costs of training, back ground checks etc may be great, I believe the long term benefits to be more than worth that initial cost. I live 2 blocks from an elementary school and would be more than willing to volunteer my time.

A CCW holder has already had a background check.

There was no "box". A 2x4 is a wooden board. I hardly think carrying a board with the words "High Powered Rifle" would be terrorizing to most, and certainly not worthy of the death sentence as some in this forum have proposed.

mwk...You're quite right. I usually don't go off like that without reading the entire article. And for that I apologize. What this tells me, though, is that I, and I think many others, are in an edgy, hair-trigger mood right now concerning stunts like this being played out in a school.

Mwk4Jesus, you know he could have beaten someone to death. I don't know his handwritting either. He could have written it in cursive, sanskrit, or Arabic. It's a joke but to bring anything that could be mistook as a weapon was silly on his part.

You're joking, right? First the 2nd Amendment and now the 14th. Let's just get rid of all of them, shall we?

You can cite ANY part of the Constitution or Bill of Rights and Amendments you like. POINT is ... you can't yell FIRE in a movie theater, mention bomb at an airport, and you can't bring guns, or anything that says gun into a school. There is a reason for all of these things NOT being allowed and it isn't to do with our rights or an attempt take them away. Get it yet?

I was commenting on the fact that TruthComesHere thinks 10 years in jail in an appropriate punishment, for hurting some people's feelings.

Show me the "law" that says you can't wear, say, a Guns n Roses shirt in school. Even worse than saying Gun on it, it says Guns! That must be extra terrible.

Bomb bomb bomb..bomb bomb ba bomb!

Well then 10 years may not be enough so lets go with 20. That is better than death but we could go there too I guess.

That's hilarious. You don't even get 20 years for killing somebody. You have no sense of reality.

Well I don't know where you live but in Texas if you kill someone we kill you back.

New York

Wow. You would kill a man because he is carrying a wooden board with words written on it? You're my hero!

Not.

It's funny. All of you people despise guns, but think nothing of saying you would kill this guy for basically, doing nothing more than hurting people's feelings.

Hypocrites..all of you...

Roxlie - nothing more than hurting peoples feelings? My daughter attends Sandy Hook Elementary (the one in Virginia) she was terrified of going to school on Monday because of her school sharing the same name as the one in CT, and now I had to practically beg her to go to school this morning, she is scared that the next time it won't be a 2x4, tell the kids that there were no hurt feelings that saw this man in their school yelling at the administration and police officers. This is an elementary school for goodness sakes, these poor kids have seen enough in the last week, they don't need anymore stress!

I think that's one of the problems.. she's in elementary school and she's "seen enough in the last week". When bad things happened when we were in elementary school (15+ years ago) we probably didn't even know. Most of us didn't read the paper or watch the national evening news and even if so, it was a story about something bad that happened far away.

Now, EVERYONE is bombarded 24/7 for days on end. Every website (even non news like Wired or Rolling Stone) jumps on the wagon and starts giving us 50 different ways to view this tragedy.

And we wonder where these kids get these ideas from. Google this kid's name: 17.4M hits. Kid in AZ? 1.2M Aurora guy's full name? 3.4M Three guys who lost their minds and hurt people and they have a minimum of 20 Million mentions on the internet alone.

I grew up in Southern California. When I was in third grade, about 1983, I was walking to school one morning and some punk kids, 3 of them, probably in high school thought it would be funny to put a knife to my throat and tell me they were going to kill me. That is worthy of being scared of.

Seeing some adults yelling at each other, wouldn't stress me out. If it was that intense of a situation, and if he really had a gun, the resource police wouldn't be yelling at the gun. He'd either be dead or on the ground, disarmed.

I explain to my kids when things like this happen. I let them know that sometimes the world is bad, but not to be afraid or live life in fear that something bad will happen to you. We all need to be prepared for bad things, but that doesn't mean to be afraid they will happen.

By the way, I know copycats and all that, but these types of people, they do this sort of thing to gain attention and notoriety. I seriously doubt that they would shoot up a school if it had the same name. They want to be different and they wouldn't want to ride on someones coattails.

Inducing panic is a crime in almost all parts of the U.S. He may have been trying to make a point, but he broke the law. And he's obviously an idiot, which is not a crime.

Every time I hear one of you gun nuts scream about arming the teachers, I picture my 9th grade algebra teacher with ready access to a handgun. Now that 's terrifying.