A Texas state trooper has been suspended with pay, officials said Wednesday, after two women claimed they were subjected to intimate body cavity searches at the roadside in full view of the public.
The two women, from Irving, Texas, are suing two state troopers and the director of the Department of Public Safety, alleging they were violated during what they call an unconstitutional search on State Highway 161 on July 13.
Angel Dobbs and her niece Ashley Dobbs were stopped for littering by Trooper David Farrell.
In a dashcam video released by the women and their attorney, Farrell can be heard telling the women they would both be cited for throwing cigarette butts out of the car.
Farrell called for a female trooper, Kelley Helleson, to come to the scene and began to ask questions about what he described as “an odor of marijuana” coming from the car, according to the video. Angel Dobbs denied smoking marijuana, and said she had borrowed the car.
'Humiliated'
After Helleson arrived, she can be seen in the video putting on blue latex gloves to conduct a search of both women. According to the lawsuit, when Angel Dobbs asked about the gloves, Helleson "told her not to worry about that."
Pulled over for littering, women given body cavity searches
In the lawsuit, Dobbs said the trooper conducted the cavity search on the roadside, illuminated by the police car's headlights, in full view of any passing motorists.
"This has been an eye-opening experience for me. I've never been pulled over, never searched like this. I was totally violated over there a few minutes ago... this is so embarrassing to me," Angel Dobbs said on the video.
"I've never been so humiliated or so violated or felt so molested in my entire life," Angel Dobbs told NBCDFW.com.
The lawsuit further alleges that Helleson performed the searches on both women without changing the latex gloves between searches.
"I don't think anybody needs to have to feel, or go through what we went through," Ashley Dobbs said. "It crosses my mind every day. It's humiliating," she said.
The Department of Public Safety told NBCDFW.com that Helleson had been suspended with pay.
There had been no other suspensions as of Wednesday night, NBCDFW.com reported.
No narcotics or contraband was found, according to the lawsuit.


I wish I could break the law and be told by my job to just stay home and collect paychecks. FIRE THEM! I respect police more than most...but they need to be trained better so that they understand that they are there to protect and serve us. Some of them get it...and some don't. Fire those who don't and other officers should not tolerate their fellow officers who abuse their power. Instead they (too often) cover it up.
This is rape. This cop needs to be imprisoned.
When this freaky bitch is arrested, video of her cavity search should end up on Youtube.
Claiming to smell marijuana is not probable cause for a roadside cavity search of women in the headlights of your patrol car. What has our country become? If Republicans had their way, Grover Norquist would be an unelected President to whom they vow loyalty, all citizens would be armed with handguns and assault rifles, no one making over $250,000/yr would pay any taxes, our military would run concentration camps where everyone is beat into submission for something as simple as littering, religion would be the only thing taught in schools, citizens would report for 12 hours of work every day of the week for minimum wages and no benefits, and every election would go in their favor, regardless. If fascism isn't your cup of tea, Mexico has a cartel you can join for free.
It is sad enough that the two women were sexually molested in public, now the citizens of Texas also get to pay for her paid "vacation" in addition to whatever money they award to the two victims. It is way past time for any cops, judges, politicians, etc., to not be allowed to escape justice under the government immunity clause. Knowing that they will never have to pay personally for their actions seems to embolden far too many of the most sadistic of these authoritarian criminals.
Personal assets seized, triple damages for abusing their positions, mandatory jail time are all needed punishments in cases like this. It is also past time to mandate personal cams mounted on their heads or body that must be turned in to an independent civilian oversight committee on police actions. Any audio or video that gets "lost" or turned off, should lead to mandatory fines against the cop and all charges dropped against any "suspect". If the person is actually guilty, there should be no excuse for not having the audio and video to prove it.
These police abuse cases will be coming coming more frequently unless we demand accountability now for all arrests. If the cops are doing nothing wrong then they shouldn't have a problem with being held accountable. Those who defend the cops no matter what, are a big part of the reason why bad cops think they can get away with this crap.
This is impossible. Policemen are heroes.
As a former law enforcement officer I am embarrassed by this incident and the overall harassment of citizens on Texas highways by the Texas Department of Public Safety. Too often it is the poor, minorities and young that are pulled over by the DPS using questionabe "probable cause" including going 2 mph over the speed limit, dirty license plates, burned out or "dim" license plate lights, alleged inability to maintain vehicle in lane, etc.. These stops usually lead to searches of persons and vehicles in public view and on the side of heavily traveled roads including the interstate highways. While troopers maintain that their roadside searches are with the permission of the vehicle operator, they are essentially giving uninformed consent or consent under duress. How many citizens do you know that would refuse a request for a search from an armed trooper? In the end, the probable cause cited by the troopers for most stops and searches is defective and if challenged, any arrest that results would also be defective. These actions by any law enforcement agency including the Texas DPS breed disrespect for the law and law enforcement agencies in general. These practices need to be stopped. The detention and search of persons and their property on public highways should be based on actions that are based and connected to the ultimate objectives of all laws which is to protect the public's safety. As a kid I used to have the utmost respect for the troopers of the Texas DPS. I can no longer say that. I have seen them in action and see the results of their misguided, Barney Fife activities on Texas highways. The good troopers out there, and there are a diminishing number, are embarrassed by the antics to the two idiots that harassed and groped these two women on the side of the road. These two have no business wearing the badge.
Is this what Todd Akin meant by "legitimate rape"?
Humart I think your Full Of SH*T about being a Former Law Enforcement Officer.
I like to think that Cops have a tough job because they legitimately want to serve and protect and then I see videos like this and I get confused. There was no need to go that far and it is despicable behavior.
Are the arrest quotas in Texas that high?
You are obviously a cop eh Rank? No cop would ever question another cop would they? That just doesn't fit with the blue wall right? I think you are the POS...
Just reading the headline I felt there was a 90% chance it took place in Texas.
Welcome to the Police State.
The Police State is the consequence of Big Government needing to protect its omnipotence, rather than the US Constitution which demands a small government with limited, enumerated powers, and maximum freedom for the people.
Everyday a little bit of liberty guaranteed by the US Constitution is chewed off by Big Government's ruse to protect ' the general public welfare and safety.' The 4th Amend is almost meaningless today as TSA and police have broad discretion to conduct search and seizure on any individual in and out of his home with little cause and no warrant.
Police has planted GPS devices to track suspects' daily whereabout without a warrant; wire tapped phones without warrant; listen-in cellphone conversations without warrants; intercept Email without warrant; and even opened regular mails for inspection without warrant.
The Police State is armed with helicopter gunships, armor vehicles, urban combat troops equipted with Kevlar, heavy machine guns, sniper rifles, grenades, and even bombs. These weapons are not intended for the control of rape, murder, burglary and petty theft. They are for controlling, subduing, and oppressing the people of their liberty, of their person, and of their Constitution.
America as the ' land of the free' that we once had known is but a fading memory. It's over for America.
Not only were they sodomized on the side of the road, but she used the same glove to sodomize them both. Ewwwwwwwww!!!!!!!!
Gives new meaning to the term PIG. Show me your lis, reg and vag please. What a country we live in anymore.
Welcome to The United Police States Of America.
I lost respect for Police a long time ago. I smile in their faces, act polite, but trust them? NO.
We have a lot of Douche-bags working for the Sheriffs Department in Gladwin, MI
Don't come here to Vacation!
The Texas highway patrol is a very sexist organization, allocating jobs according to sex. Equal pay for equal work stop defining work as a sexual thing. The man should have searched them!
Maybe they just have too many cops...
They thought it worth violating more than these women's civil rights over pot!?
Amazing isn't it? Caught on video, with audio, and suspended, probably with pay, not fired! What's worst is the looks like the dude cop got the green light, no suspension?
A large majority of cops are nothing but thugs with guns and badges who think they are God.
Suspenion! not good enough, they must be charged with the crime of sexual assualt and be registered as a sex offender.
ding ding ding!!!
don't you know that leo's psych tests out criminal thought process?
best kept secret in law enforcement.
Where are the left-side reps now?
Before the lawsuit it was investigated by the officers police department. And they took no action. Its not until the lawsuit that they were suspended.
Law enforcement have become criminals because they police themselves. I've been extorted by police. When I reported it with video evidence, their police chief said my complaint was, "without merit".
We need a totally independent group to investigate police misconduct.
What about the college student in alabama that was naked, unarmed and killed by police?
Who will protect us from the police?
Both Troopers should be fired, not sitting home collecting pay. Their own videocam said it all. GUILTY.
Perhaps even register as sex offenders.
Actually I have to agree with the police on this one. The article says, in part, that "Farrell can be heard telling the women they would both be cited for throwing cigarette butts out of the car." The officer then had them drop trou to further investigate & sure enough they found more butts & there you have it.
In other words, just the female trooper was fired, not the MALE trooper who called for the female trooper to come and do the cavity search.
Both should be fired, and a search should be done of both their homes to see if they have personal videos of searches done of other victims.
Way to go Texas.. This is a fine example of radical extremist behavior at it's best. Fire both of them.
There is no way in hell I would have allowed anyone to do that to me, least of all someone who is supposed to be upholding the law, but I guess if you want to bring a lawsuit that's the way to do it. Allow them to break the law in front of a camera, and then sue the crap of out them!
TO: cheetah-822547 who wrote
All over this.
So they suspend the female officer when the first officer on the scene called for the female and the search. Should she have refused the request of the male officer?
This needs to go to court, evidence presented, and a determination made about individual guilt or innocence, just like in any other criminal proceeding. I'm happy however, to see that they were stopped for throwing cigarette butts out of the car. I do not know what the costs of fire damages are this year from non naturally occurring fires ( lightning ), but fires by cigarette butts, unattended camp fires, illegal burning, etc., would be a figure into the billions I would guess. Also to be considered with littering would be the illegal disposal of containers of urine, disposable diapers, used tampons and condoms, bags of vomit, and tissues of snot and phlegm. Unwanted pets are cast along roadsides, as are appliances and furniture. Littering is just not a fast food wrapper and beverage container issue. So though I agree that police should not be abusing powers for searching stopped suspects, the fact they are ticketing people who liter should be applauded.
I myself don't understand it. Dental health is very important, a first impression is the key to success.
Saw it on the Dallas news...wow this mexican bitch cop needs to be fired, I think she getting her jollies.
Sounds like more than ONE trooper needs to be suspended. They both should be, the one who started it, and the one doing the cavity search.
Can Texas PLEASE secede NOW? I'd even kick in a few bucks to help get rid of it.
Bet the trooper is in a Union and can't be fired...for a long time.
TO: JMJ- who wrote:
Texas is a Red State, so folks are not allow to earn a decent wage, nor are they allowed to conspire together to get pay raises or medical benefits, so it's highly doubtful that Unions are even allowed to exist, because Corporations are King and working class people are just too lazy to go into business for themselves.
In Texas, employee wages are capped at $7.50 an hour, and fringe benefits such as medical and dental are strictly forbidden.
So get a second JOB...
"Claiming to smell marijuana is not probable cause for a roadside cavity search of women in the headlights of your patrol car."
It shouldn't even be "probable cause" unless smoke is rolling out the windows. To Claim you can tell "someone smoked in the car daily" even though no one was smoking when pulled over is total BS. On top of that its just way to easy for the cop to lie and now claims to have "Probable Cause".
Guess what people? Cops can lie to get what they want so ALWAYS state loud and clear that you DO NOT CONSENT to any search. At that point they will probably lie again but DO NOT GIVE IN, DO NOT CONSENT! It may just call their bluff and you're on your way and if it doesn't you now have something to use in court, either to defend yourself with or to sue their ass possibly both.
This is what copes do.; They pull you over for the smallest reason in order to look for bigger things to arrest you on. ie Drugs. They get promoted partial based on "activity" and arrest. So the more arrest through illegal searches don't mean much to them, especially if they talk you into consenting to a search.
If these women had pot and all they had was small enough to hide in those special areas I say oh well nothing here worth busting them for move on.
By the way I couldn't tell from the story but did both cops get a "vacation" or just the one doing the search? It should be both and they both should be fired. If they find out these two did this for kicks they should also be charged with sex crimes.
Welcome to Rick Perry's Texas, a.k.a. Reich 4.0!
You better smile and say "yes massa', no massa", unless you want a face full of bloody chiclets.
But don't worry, the Tea party robots are bringing this to your state, soon, very soon.
Enjoy!
My son is a Deputy Sheriff and if he was ever to do this I would want him fired, locked up and labeled a Sexual Predator for the rest of his life or if he ever got out! This is rape by someone that has authority and by rights it doesn't matter if it happened behind closed doors or out on the street there was no arrest and no search warrant!
A site that all should view and then watch their videos is Flexyourrights.org! This will aid you in dealing with police and their abuse of people that do not know their rights. There are police that will overstep their boundaries based on your ignorance of your rights! It is up to you to insure that you are aware of those rights. The unfortunate part is that you should obey the officers, even if you know they are wrong! You do need to let them know you believe that they are violating your civil rights, and if they continue you can pursue it afterwards! They have been trained and should know better,we must weed out the bad ones!
"So they suspend the female officer when the first officer on the scene called for the female and the search. Should she have refused the request of the male officer?"
Yes, if the first officer is requesting something illegal it was her duty to refuse.
"Both should be fired,"
If the male officer was complicit with an illegal body cavity search, then yes. But if the female officer took it upon herself and he just didn't know, then I'd say "no." I'm not aware of any report that he specifically asked the female officer to do a body cavity search. It is standard practice WHERE PRACTICABLE to call for a person of the same gender to do a pat down, even though there is no law against cross-gender pat downs.
"they must be charged with the crime of sexual assualt and be registered as a sex offender."
Not necessarily, at least not under current law. Body Cavity searches are legal if probable cause exists. The case has been referred to a grand jury to determine if an actual law has been violated. Just because it angers you, or offends your sensibilities, doesn't mean it's against any law.
"Not only were they sodomized on the side of the road, but she used the same glove to sodomize them both. Ewwwwwwwww!!!!!!!!"
Same glove but 4 different fingers?? (just kidding!)
Personally, I don't think whatever amount of pot you can hide up your a55 is worth the embarrassment and legal hassle they are now going through, but some cops take themselves way too seriously and think they can change the world and are willing to go through the effort. In this case, they didn't find any contraband, they didn't get to arrest anyone, they get NOTHING but a lawsuit and possibly fired as a result. Stupid is as stupid does.
BP, if you knew what you were talking about your post could be taken more seriously. As it is, you just sound like a ranting anti-cop bigot.
"This is what copes do.; They pull you over for the smallest reason in order to look for bigger things to arrest you on. ie Drugs." Yep, it's called "fishing." It's how they catch law offenders. Remember, their job is "law enforcement." Nothing wrong here.
"They get promoted partial based on "activity" and arrest. So the more arrest through illegal searches don't mean much to them, especially if they talk you into consenting to a search." Now you're talking out your a55. Did the cop that busted you for your misdemeanor pot possession get promoted? I bet not. What, you say you've never been arrested for possessing pot? See, now I've done just what you did and made baseless assertions about something of which I know nothing.
Suspended with pay my ass! BOTH state troopers should have been immediately terminated in July when the incident happened. The female trooper should be charged with rape. The male trooper should be charged for causing and being an accessory to the rape. The proof of their crimes are on that video and they should pay for their crimes accordingly. They should also both face felony charges for the bottle of Hydrocodone that was stolen. Actually, there are other charges they should be charged with...illegal search, endangering the life of the second women searched (if the first woman had AIDS or hepatitis, since the state trooper didn't change her gloves that is endangerment), etc. Also, this isn't the first time the male state trooper has over-stepped his bounds (look it up on youtube). FIRE their asses! These women have every right to sue over this. A formal complaint was filed after this incident happened and nothing was done about these troopers behavior. As a result, the department should have to pay for their complacency in this matter. This type of behavior being committed by our law enforcement HAS TO STOP NOW!
The way I see it:
1. It was inexcusable to do that to those woman. Enough said there.
2. Don't litter, or give cops any other reason to pull you over. Generally of a cop is looking to pull you over, they'll find a "reason" to do so if you give it to them. This goes for all things, not just this unfortunate incident. I'm not even talking about body searches, which I have never heard of being done right on the highway like that. I'm talking about anything a cop might suspect you of, from drunk driving to smuggling and more. If you do something minor like run a yellow light or litter (for example only), they can use that as an excuse to pull you over and check for other things they may be more concerned about but don't have evidence for like drunk driving or drug trafficking. AND IT IS PERFECTLY LEGAL FOR THEM TO DO THAT SO LONG AS THEY DON'T TAKE IT TOO FAR.
3. Let me just say that if you are going to smoke, please don't throw your cigarette butts all over the place. That is disgusting. Not all smokers do this, but far too many do. It isn't hard to just put them in a bag or something and throw them away later PROPERLY when you get the chance. I'm not saying don't smoke (although health wise I would advise against it) or anything. That is your right. But please don't litter,and especially not with cigarettes and that sort of thing.
4. It still doesn't give them the right to do that to them. What I said in # 2 and # 3 is true. But again, it still doesn't give them the right to do that. Again, I have never heard of full body searches right on the highway like that. This is just wrong on so many levels. I really wish people wouldn't throw cigarettes out the window like that, but it still doesn't warrant what happened to them. And as far as I said about number two being perfectly legal so long as they don't take it too far: THEY TOOK THIS WAAAAY TOO FAR.
I am very suprised this happened. As someone who is not in law enforcement, but has grown up with law enforcement family and friends, I don't understand how this occured.
Not the searching part, or the over extension of authority, or baseless assertions based on a 'hunch'. All of that is pretty standard.
No, the part that suprises me is that, and if any honest cops were to comment here they would tell you the same, in almost all cases like this, where they know they are in the wrong, and especially if they think it would have a chance to roll back on them, they would have CERTAINLY planted evidence in their car.
I.e. do you think this would have made the news at all, let along the national news, if a oz of weed had been found in their car?
Hell no, they would be getting a attaboy right now.
Must be dry down there right now or they smoked it all....
tracontech, it is low information voters , ie. people such as yourself, that cause this kinda @!$%# to happen. In the same comment you blame Republicans for this and then go on to list out several Socialist Ideals. You have your bad guys backwards their, sports fan. Most Republicans are CONSERVATIVES, meaning less laws, regulations, government agencies and government employees. YES, we would be a heavily armed citizenry, but a free one with personal responsibility and stricter punishments for the few serious crimes we have on the books. You are just an ass clown who keeps drinking the liberal kool-aid and can't see the Nazi for the misinformation. SOCIALISM, you moron, requires extreme government control, a large burdening governmental entity, the removal of the ability to defend themselves and total reliance upon said government. I give you 1930's Germany as the perfect example; NAZI (National SOCIALIST German WORKER'S Party) and you idiots are so confused and ignorant that you believe the idiots telling you Conservatives are the bad guys. You pathetic lemmings have voted in a NAZI TWICE now, continually spent this country in to the poor house, caused job losses in the millions, reduce or remove repercussions for crimes and keep blaming problems on the Conservatives. Well, here's a secret. Conservatives don't like being backed in a corner. We can only move out of the neighborhood so many times before we decide to stand our ground.
Go to my profile.. In my first comment( in the first report of this) I stated that nothing would happen to these PIGS except that they would recieve a "PAID VACATION"!!!!!
Reason #437 to never set foot in Texas. The "reddest" of the red states.
has everyone lost their connection to what it means to be human?
what has happened to american ''society'' that this and worse things happen more and more often. (like slaughtering children as if they were fish in a barrel.)
how will american society ever correct to get back to normal?? or is there no limit to the depravity we do to each other?
for all we have we act like animals. i am so ashamed of this country.
They should get a payraise! The only reason they got fired is they didn't use strap-ons and forgot to film the event and post it on Youtube.
Always film the encounter with any police officer, regardless of the reason you got pulled over. Stay calm, polite, respectful, and most importantly, confident. If you are told you cannot film, please continued to film as that is within your constitutional rights, and politely inform the officer you're excersing the 1st Amendment.
More often than not, you will be asked if you have anything illegal in the vehicle. You will firmly answer, "No, sir". You will then be asked if it'd be alright for the officer to search your vehicle to make sure. Do not say "NO", but confidently state is, "Sir, I do not consent to searches". Keep repeating it in case you're asked again. If you're asked, "How come?", repeat it again. Don't saying anything else.
Exercising***
@Synthetica..
1.58
And then the officer will confiscate the film , smash the camera, put you in cuffs in the back of the cruiser and you will shoot yourself in the head with a gun they mysteriously missed durring the cavity check.
Paul...
1.56
And this country is ashamed of you.
I've read most of your other posts on this event and cant for the life of me figure out how you can stand up for these PIGS!
Synthetica, it is NOT your right to video tape police in many states or other juristictions. We've had locals arrested for doing so in Illinois. I think a majority of police TRY to do the right thing, but they need psychology training that they are NOT getting. Acting like an arse is not effective against crimes that matter. The best thing local police can do to reduce crime is get to know people and have neighbors watching out for each other.
As for their "excuse" to rape these gals over possible pot smoking, this is why many people are ready to legalize small amounts of pot. Any cop can claim they think they smell pot and abuse their power. Yet they can't track down dealers carrying pounds of it around in their cars.
Fire these cretins, give them a nice jail sentence and make them register as sex offenders just like other perverts. Anyone helping them cover up or just ignoring what they know happened -- charge them with conspiracy and fire them too.
@Dracontech
WOW! It is misguided people such as yourself that make me worry about America. You're no better than sheep. You regurgitate everything your are told by the far left AND YOU BELIEVE IT!!! You seem o be under the impression that if somebody is religious, they're stupid. This is not so. Nobody calls you stupid because you reject religion. There are plenty of "less intelligent" people in the world on both sides. All it makes you sound like is that you are a bigot and are not accepting of any person except people such as yourself.
Anyway WAY off target sorry but it somewhat pisses me off. What these troopers did was not right and hopefully two more cops that abuse power will be off the streets.
That female cop is an embarrassment and gives professional women a bad name! What a total d-bag.
I hope these two ladies get butt loads of money (pun intended) and those two scumbag cops get the boot!
Maybe they can get jobs at Walmart. Most the people working there already have their fingers up their own a$$e$, so they'll fit right in
Couldn't agree more. It's the apathetic hippie @!$%#tards that give up their rights little by little who are to blame. Hope these @!$%#s are OK with the government installing cameras in their homes while flying drones overhead 24x7. Think it won't happen? Yeah, bull@!$%# it won't. Take a time trip back 40 years and look forward to what's happening today - the people back then would have NEVER FATHOMED how @!$%#ing deeply the government intrudes on its citizens of today. It's only going to get worse.
I'm sure glad that I live in the US where we don't need to wait for pesky things like trials, facts, evidence or jury verdicts before we decide a case via the internet. We're simply a whole bunch of psychics who automatically know it all.
Suspended with pay? Now this female sexual predator gets a taxpaid vacation? Fire her and the male cop. Make sure both lose any money put into their pensions. Arrest both for rape (she for the rape; he as an accessory). Have the police department pay out a huge settlement, comparable to the power-ball lottery, for the two women raped (that'll teach it not to hire criminals to serve as police officers). Then have the victims sue the two criminals and take from them anything they have left so they can end up on the street after they serve their sentences homeless, hungry, cold and sick until they die from it. That's justice. Oh, do the criminals have families that will suffer the same fate? Good.
Hope the cops both get fired, department gets sued, trial puts the cops in prision in general population where they can be raped on a daily basis.
This is crap that I will not tolerate.
Wise people avoid Texas and Arizona. I went there once, and I will never go there willingly again.
@adam l 1.65 you apparently never heard of 1984 by george orwell published in 1949, otherwise you wouldn't of made the statement, that people 40 years ago never fathomed how far government would intrude on our lives!
roadhead, #1.4- EXCELLENT!!!!
What specifically are you referring to as "the Government Immunity" clause? (If you would, just curious:)
Also, I'm not clear, from the article, about what happened to the other Officer; the one who initiated by calling the Female Officer to do his dirty work for him.
Thank you for your kind words Mystery Rhee. Most government officials (elected, appointed, employees, etc.) are free from being sued or punished for their actions while on the job. That is what I meant with the governmental immunity that such officials far too often abuse. It is to prevent claims against the government that would have to be paid with taxpayer funds.
There are several different types of immunity that makes it impossible to sue the government unless they specifically allow you to hold them accountable for their employees or officials. Allowing them to avoid responsibility for their actions is being abused, and that lack of accountability is what needs to be changed in the immunity laws.
You can find out more about the different types of governmental immunity @ http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Governmental+Tort+Immunity
No Probable Cause...
roadhead, #1.72- Thank you for the link. I'm pretty sure that in what you're speaking of as "abuse" is actually "misinterpretation of convenience" that they are practicing and have been TRAINED to practice and carry out. All Law is not automatically "Tort" Law only and that seems to be where the skewing begins, I think. Thank you, again, for replying.
Rixar13, #1.74- BINGO!!!
It's bewildering to read all the comments about how "civil rights have been violated", but then "convict" these cops before they have gone to trial. Don't get me wrong the video seems to be very strong evidence and when they are found guilty by a jury of their peers I think they should be punished to the fullest extent of the law and made to register as felons and sex offenders, but don't you think it's idiotic to go on and on about civil rights when it's these officers to be innocent until proven guilty by a court of law. Because no one should have there civil rights violated. I hope they are found guilty and these women are compensated for their anguish.
This isn't just a texas thing. This has been happening in every state of the union and far to often.
Suspended with pay. Wow, that is really harsh. I know the Trooper hasn't had his day in court. The good ole code of silence will get him acquitted. So no punishment.
Her
This trooper must have wanted to get his holiday jollies on with watching another woman doing a cavity search on two other women. This civil servant is sick and should be sent for a psychiatric work up to check if he is fit for duty.
As for being suspended with pay how stupid can Texas get? It is evident this trooper went beyond his authority and a complete loss of ethics if he ever had any. As the saying goes, "there is a fine line between a cop and a criminal" and this seems to ring true in this instance. What this trooper suspected versus his illegal cavity search is the bigger criminal act especially since nothing was found not to mention his justification was based on he smelled marijuana. Did the female trooper corroborate this accusation too?
"As for being suspended with pay how stupid can Texas get?"
It's Texas, there's no limit to how stupid they can get. They want to secede, I say kick them out first. No more Texan presidents or gerrymandering to maintain republican control.
But the suspended with pay thing for cops is pretty common all over the country.
It's Texas, they'll probably give these POS a raise- that state has no respect for individual rights unless it involves "takin' r gunz"
I feel sorry for the victims and all of the good cops that are out there. I don't understand why it is a civil suit first, it should be a criminal action for both of them. Here in Milwaukee it can even be worse but here it is the union that protects bad cops. I am a middle aged white guy that makes some money and I don't have much respect for them then they are losing the battle.
Time to thin out the herd...
this is a perfect example of why we need guns to protect us from the biggest gang in the US(police)they are NOT there to protect you.Now even if you are innocent the first one to call the cops doesn't go to jail.You have to prove your innocent to be released from jail it is not innocent until proven guilty it is whatever they decide.I have had 2 incidents in my life where I had to call a different police agency on the police and I won both my cases.My own brother was not so fortunate he was tasered by 2 police officers in his own yard.The cops said because he was wearing dirty clothes he didn't look like he belonged there.He was in his gardening coveralls working in the yard.He lost his lawsuit because the dashcam tape somehow went missing so there was no evidence the officers had done any wrong doing.
Jared harvey, have you gone bonkers? Are you talking total anarchy when you espoused having guns to shoot peace officers? Maybe it is you who should have the right to purchase firearms taken away due to the rhetoric you put on this board. My god man what you have just written down is down right ludicrous not to mention ill thought out. Go ahead and shoot a few cops and see how far down the road you make it. In any state you would be hunted down like a mad dog and put down like one. Please start using the common sense I hope you possess instead of the nonsense you have stated. Please check in to your nearest mental health assessment center for a complete work-up. I think the stress of living has gotten the best of you.
There should be no right given to anyone to search another's internal body. EVER! If I were subjected to this rape either I or the cops would be dead.
I agree that no internal cavity search should be conducted on the road. But do me a favor: look up the definition of 'Rape'. After reading it, go look in the mirror and see what an idiot you are. And be careful about making threats of killing cops: comments like that could quickly get your hummingbird ass overloaded by your alligator mouth.
Definition of rape:
"The World Health Organization defined it in 2002 as physically forced or otherwise coerced penetration – even if slight – of the vulva or anus, using a penis, other body parts or an object".
Now, tell me how what the officers did to these two women isn't rape. Remember, they were pulled over for littering and everything else was fabricated to lead to their being molested. If this was your mother, wife, or daughter would you find this behavior by the DPS acceptable? Their complaint is that they were given public body cavity searches by officers with no justification, they were raped.
Nicely put Coracii
Papa Tommy and his menagerie of random pets is the idiot
There was no reason to cavity search these women..... did the male cop assume he smelled pot and they must have shoved it up where the sun does not shine???
I am with Elliot- the last and only cavity search I had was in the Marine Corps. No cop will put anything in me without my warning him what would happen if he tried.
Take a friggin x-ray if you want to see something....otherwise the fight is on.
This is surely an abuse of power by the policewoman which resulted in the forcible rape of the innocent women.
But consider the following situation as a parallelism:
CEO's abuse their power by getting themselves paid millions of dollars per year which results in the forcible rape of the company's wealth and causes the low pay of the other workers and laborers.
Excellent comparison, Marine57. Agreed.
There IS no comparison. Those women were publicly RAPED by police officers, and you want to compare that to the disparity between pay for workers vs. CEOs?
You and chefaz need a police baton stuck up your ***** and maybe you'll comprehend the difference.
I hope neither of you are married.
You sir are an inconsiderate jerk. Comparing money and power to a woman being raped is inexcusable! Shame on YOU!
Really, Joe...you don't think that power had something to do with these terrible acts??? I could easily go on about rape / abuse cases that were swept under the rug in situations where the perp was wealthy or connected but you have a computer. I'm sure that you'll be able to find many examples.
patter, you've obviously missed what Marine57 was trying to get across. Judging by the votes, there are quite a few that do comprehend what he is saying. Please keep your baton. Sounds like you need it more than either one of us.
Your picture shows what appears to be an officer. Is that what you are? Your comment is unbelievably insensitive. You seem to be attempting to downplay the crime that these police officers committed on these two women by admitting that this was "an abuse of power" and then likening this crime to an entirely different situation. You disgust me as much as these officers that committed this crime do. The law is now protecting these officers and salvaging their "job titles" and paying them for their crime too. The whole incident is horrid and despicable. I don't think this is an isolated incident either. All humans are subject to the kind of evil that creates this type of behavior and simply because you hold a position of power does not mean that you are in control of yourself and behaving in an appropriate way. It takes people with a heart and a mindset that WANTS to do good and CONTROLS themselves in a like manner to achieve that kind of greatness though. Obviously, there are SO MANY of us who do not fill that bill yet they are still holding all kinds of positions in our world. The problem is sin.
That would be a drill sergeant.
If this person was Hispanic or black would any of you people even care? As long as they are with in their limits the cops technically are not breaking any rules. If you people don't like it why don't you put in some effort if you live in that state and try to have the rules changed? In the mean time if your complaining I can tell you right now it won't accomplish anything.
WOW!!! Can't believe someone wrote this.
If these two had been within their limits as you say, there would be no cause for a law suit or a news story.
The laws to protect are in place and these two crossed some serious boundaries. They need to find something else to do with their lives. To serve and protect ain't cuttin' it with this pair. Fortunately, they are a rarity.
It's TEXAS, moron! Nothing gets changed for the better there. Ladies were lucky they were not summarily executed simply because the Nazi's smelled, or thought they smelled the odor of marijuana. Death sentence liberally dispensed ON SITE and NEVER any repercussions to the bandits with badges.
What an egregious assault for LITTERING. GMAFB -- the Nazi's have risen again and marching to the "Yellow Rose of Texas." Not at all surprising or shocking considering it took place in TEX-ASS.
SNAFU
Forgot to add that this pair needs to find something else to do with their lives after they've done their time if found guilty.
JARHEAD-921, what do you have against Texas? I've lived here all my life and never experienced anything that would lead me to call Texans Nazi's. There must be something seriously wrong in your head.
Race baiters. Just can't get enough of them eh Domewars?
Gayle, suspect most dont have anything against Texas but it does seem a lot of these types of storys do come from Texas. My Grandfather swore to never travel to Texas again because of a incident which happened in the 30's and from what I have seen it hasn't changed.
Domewars, can you say Comprehend?
Everything that these future jailbirds and burdens on socioty did was illegal even in TEXAS!!! You don't have to be of any particular ethnic background just being in the same zip code when one of these types goes off. Please stop trying to bait people into a racial discussion when the topic is so twisted it's fairly reasonable that MOST people are offended by the actions taken here by two POWER DRUNK azzholes with badges. The sickest part is they may get away with raping two women for dropping a cigarette butt out the window. I'll bet they had a good laugh telling this story!!! Even if / when they are absolved, their actions speak volumes as to what kind of people they truly are and moral charachter they don't posess.
A police may stop a driver of a vehicle under the standard of 'reasonable suspicion.' If further investigation is warranted, the police may conduct a 'Terry Stop' search, named after a legal case before the US Supreme Court.
In a Terry Stop, the police is limited to superficially searching the suspect's clothing for weapons that may be concealed. As the sole purpose of the Terry Stop search is to provide safety to the police, the police may not do a cavity search, or reach into the pocket of a suspect unless the police senses the object is a weapon or ask the suspect to disrobe for additional search and observation.
Beyond the Terry Stop search, a more in depth search would require either a search warrant or application of the 'probable cause' standard where the police has sufficient evidence to support an arrest. At that point, his Miranda is read.
Where a police violates a person's 4th Amend protection under the color of law enforcement, the victim may sue the police personally for damages under Federal civil right statute USC 1865. Under this statue, a municipality is not permitted to reimburse the defendant for damages.
I'm pleased he pulled over the cigarette butt-throwing littering rednecks but what was he looking for? Talk about a stupid cop...didn't he know everything was being recorded by the dashcam?
TYrone I'm sure your very familiar with Police Cars The Back Seat Of One.
If that's your picture i don't think you would have been as lucky as the women in this story, the punishment for littering is not RAPE!!! it is a civil offense and a fine would have been extravegant let alone trumped up probable cause, I hope one of the people you care about is never in a situation like this. Are they rednecks because they're from TEXAS or because they're white? I've met some pretty backwoods types of all ethnic backgrounds.
Of course he knew he and she were being recorded. They don't care because police are the ones that police themselves. The women complained to the police department and nothing happened. Then they brought the lawsuit. They've probably done this before and nothing happened and the others were afraid of police or felt helpless. Or they had drugs on them and being guilty is always an excuse by police for any harm they've done to people.
I wasn't aware there were any types of cops besides stupid ones.
Tyrone, who said that the women had thrown a cigarette butt out of the window, the police. Cops are all lying scum bags. The scum bags cop just used that as an excuse. ALL cops are scum.
Oh good grief, it's wrong no matter what color the person's skin is. Don't be as stupid as this policewoman. Cavity searches aren't conducted until the arrested person is brought to jail.
Texas.
Yea, enough said!
In TEXASS the state of bigots , racists and corrupt cops they do not have to follow the constitution
This happened in July. Why is it just hitting the news pages after all this time???
It's happening now because the lawsuits have been filed, and they are in the public domain. The video shows the cavity searchs on both women from the back first, before the front. While these searches should not have occurred in the first place, at least four changes of gloves were required.
Agreed. It should have never happened.
Without question.
If cannabis was legal none of this would have gone down other then the warning for tossing a smoke out the window, which really is biodegradable. These two cops had a prearranged deal for them to get their jollies on the side of the road and these two women were sexual assaulted for the pleasure of these two jerks.
If this had happened to these two cops, these two women would looking at the death penalty. Talk about your double standard.
Not until both of these cops are sitting in a cell will there be justice served.
People talk about the idiots we have here that have relocated to Florida, It looks like Texas is trying take our shine out of the Sunshine State.
End the madness, End Prohibition.
Traffic avenger - if this had happened to the cops ther women would not be looking at the death penalty they Texass Cops would have shot them they'd already be dead.
@Hollykb,
How very true, so much for to serve and protect. No double standard.
I wish these two women had been cops from some other state or even feds. Or better yet the wife and daughter of a state trooper of Texas from someplace say on the west side of the state where they would be unknown to these two cops. What punishments would these two cops be facing then?
Refresher courses on proper rubber glove use?
I guess when you get stopped on the road in Texas, you automatically give up your Civil Rights as a citizen of the Untied States to illegal search and seizure laws?
These are among the many reasons why I will never go back to Texas again and I will vacation in Colorado. Again:)
and most likely the cops threw the gloves on the ground!!!
i bet they did.
Well here at Christmas, being "suspended" with pay, sounds pretty good. Spend time with family, don't have to contend with the holiday traffic. They did this trooper a favor. This trooper will be back on the job within a short period of time, everything forgotten. Then comes the lawsuit and again it will be a "scam". Do you really think that a judge in Texas is going to rule against the "Department of Safety"--LOL I wish and hope that the two young ladies win, but it is very doubtful.
Looks like DPS was rewarded for their behavior doesn't it? And yeah, I think the ladies will win.
If this happened to my wife, I would definitely make sure that the criminal officers responsible are taken to justice. If the police don't police themselves then the general public has to do it. It's a lot easier if the police do it though and not try to cover it up all the time. What I don't like is pulling over everyone with darker skin and giving them tickets for no reason. Recently a friend of mine from India wanted to see the U.S. so he went on a road trip across the country. In Arizona, New Mexico and Texas he was pulled over four times, twice got a ticket, one for failing to yield to an emergency vehicle, which was the police car sitting on the side of the road, the other was for reckless driving because he didn't use his turn signal when pulling over. When the cop pulled him over in Arizona, the cop kept saying he was an illegal alien even though he is a U.S. citizen and the cop kept saying things in Spanish when he doesn't even speak Spanish. So his lesson was that most people are nice across the U.S. and there are a lot of beautiful landscapes, but if you are going to take a road trip be sure to bring a white person! Well, now I can tell him that at least he wasn't cavity searched! Haa haa.
I'm white & I got a ticket in Texas for failure to yield to an emergency vehicle, which was the police car sitting on the side of the road. I knew to yield, but wasn't paying attention, so that's my fault. Seems as though your friend from India needs some driving lessons; failure to yield, not using turn signal. India has some of the worst drivers in the world. One white guy from Sweden got about a dozen tickets on his little cross country USA sight seeing tour, and said it is because he is a foreigner. Having a chip on your shoulder and playing the race card is the PC American way. The cops probably questioned your friends citizenship because most people from India speak terrible English.
I don't believe you. There is hardly any way a cop would mistake someone of Indian extraction for someone from Mexico. As to not yielding to an emergency vehicle, Texas has a law that you must slow your speed to 20 miles below the posted speed limit or vacate the lane nearest the stationary emergency vehicle. See Texas Transportation Code - Section 545.157. Passing Authorized Emergency Vehicle. This was prompted by too many drivers hitting and/or killing our officers that were on the side of the road assisting motorists with flat tires or mechanical problems. Usually the drivers that hit and killed our officers were DUI.
Gayle19
I'm not so sure about that. I've had officers pull people over on busy main streets. They parked in the middle of the road and casually swung their doors open into oncoming traffic without looking. Fortunately I was paying attention and saw what he did. I was able to SWERVE across the double yellow line to miss him! While cycling home from work one day a cop did an abrupt U turn in the middle of rush hour traffic almost causing an accident and once again I was able to avoid getting hit! They need to follow road laws too!
When I saw the heading for this article I said "Texas or Arizona. How can a state which gave us Guy Clark, James Robert Waller, Ol' Willie, Townes VanZandt and the like, produce a Rick Perry, Joe Wilson or these cretins pretending to be the po-lice? Must be something in the water.
WOW,I'll bet the officer feels really bad about getting a "Paid" suspenion.Sounds like a paid vacation without having to use vacation time.
A lawsuit gets attention of the public and law enforcement and you can be assured this code of conduct will be reviewed and corrected at least for a while. As for complaining, this person did a little more than that if you read the whole article and understand it.
Who leaked this story after five months ? I'm betting it was the female trooper who probably since has been fired and was/is ditzy enough to put her position to the public thinking she was justified.
Gives a whole new meaning to the old saying, "....the cops fingered me for the job."
LOL. I don't care who you are, that's funny right there.
Who knows, but I saw only a couple of intelligent comments. One, why did it take 6 months to suspend this cop? Should have happened when the video was viewed, since, yes, this type of search is only done at the jail. Two, why would the race card be pulled at all in this post? Makes no sense. Why has no one pulled the other card for the female police officer? Should not be hard to guess. This was wrong and illegal no matter which way you slice it. The officer who conducted the searches should be charged and the officer who allowed it should be also. It is a shane that it takes 6 months or more for something to take place on this.
Arfticle says she, "Had been suspended with pay." Meaning, it could have been six months ago and is now either cleared or fired. Where was their 'reasonable suspicion' or 'probable cause' that the two women were concealing contraband ? It would not be 'dissipating' evidence, therefore time is not a factor which means that based on probable cause, they could've been arrested and searched incident to arrest. Fingering someone while on a 'fishing expedition' to find evidence is exactly what happened. Clearly we do not know what else occurred other than a lawsuit is in the making.
I have read a few stories on this, some are more complete than others. The women publically raped first filed a complaint with the Texas DPS, The DPS in turn said they reviewed it and saw nothing actionable against the cops; they, DPS, in other words, swept it under the carpet. The women then went to an Attorney and filed suit, this all, presumably, took a few months. The women's attorney had the tape released because the DPS wanted to say nothing had happened.
No narcotics or contraband was found, according to the lawsuit.
Nope, but a bottle of prescription hydrocodene disappeared. Slimey perverted cops. Bet Texas is proud of them.
In 1967 being 18 years of age and fresh out of highschool I had a choice. Stay in Amarillo Texas or join the army and go to Vietnam. I chose the latter. Haven't been back since. To Texas that is.
Plotinus, I haven't read that anywhere. Are you making it up? If not, please post a link to the article that says this happened. Otherwise, you're just a slimey perverted liar. I bet your mom is proud.
It was in the article yesterday...Geez, you certainly are a pillar of tolerance & kindness. Give this a try...Ask politely where he received that info from and could he/she provide you with the link.
Yes, a LEGAL prescription for hydrocodone that one of the molested women had in her purse (prescribed by a doctor for a genuine medical condition) was missing from her purse after this incident. The officers deny removing it, but since they denied the illegal cavity searches in public happened, we can ascertain their truthfulness and make a reasonable conclusion that one of the officers (probably the male since he was the one searching the vehicle) pocketed the bottle of LEGAL PRESCRIPTION PILLS. That actually is a FELONY that was committed by the offending officer since he was now in possession of a Class III Federally Controlled substance ( http://www.deadiversion.usdoj.gov/schedules/index.html ). As someone who used to be prescribed hydrocodone (Vicodin), I made sure that when I carried some of my pills I also carried a copy of the prescription to protect myself just in case someone pulled me over.
Republicans were pushing for vaginal probes before women could get an abortion but apparently Texas is simplifying the process by no longer requiring the women to be pregnant and using fingers instead of probes. Texas always was a hands on state.
CC GWRider
Considering everyone pointed out the source of the information on the missing drugs, you just made a complete a$$ of yourself. Are you maybe a dirty cop offended that these cops are being condemned for their illegal and despicable behaviour?
Seems like it....
What OTHER "career" can a sadist pervert have where they commit a heinous sex crime in full view of the public, THEN get "Punished" by being sent on a paid vacation with the VERY TAXPAYERS that were VIOLATED in the FIRST place FOOTING THE BILL........
Priest or politician.
Hey you Texans,
It's not only that your cops molested these ladies under false pretenses.
It's that you have arogant STUPID troopers.....right in front of their own dash cam????
I've got a cone hat and stool in the corner for these two.
Excuse me but they are not my anything. Where are you from?
In all fairness to the trooper, she had two gloves. One on each hand. She could've searched one woman with the left hand and the other with the right. Just saying. (doesn't make it any better though)
Except (even though your two gloves theory would never wash in a public health situation) there's also the issue that they searched the anus first and then the vagina on both women. This can and does lead to serious infections. If they had a reasonable suspicion to search (which they absolutely didn't) the only proper procedure would be to have it done at the police station using four sets of gloves in a private environment.
Remember, THEY didn't search, the female officer did. How many of you women wipe back to front? Just askin'!
If these cops are let off by a corrupt judge, or let off by some other govt administrative action....then the cops in Texas are above the law.
That leaves the people of Texas with 2 choices. lay down and take it, or rise up and re-establish law and order.
The spirit and intent of the law as to 'illegal searches and seizures' is to principally protect our citizens under the Constitution such that those places we hold most dear (our houses for example, and cars and offices, and privacy) cannot be illegally searched. I recon if I were an attorney, I'd certainly be willing to 'stipulate' on the fact that a woman's vagina just might be rather "dear" to her.
There is a website called Know Your Rights. Lots of information there. Too bad this forum will not let me post a link.
Let Texas secede.
They already have in spirit. These are not my values or the values of my friends and family. Shameful!