Two toddlers die in Chicago apartment fire; no adults were home

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Two toddlers who died in a fire early Saturday morning were left alone with two other young boys when the blaze broke out inside their Chicago apartment on the South Side, police said.

Family and friends gathered Saturday evening for a vigil to honor 2-year-old Jariah and 3-year-old Jarvis. The children were alone with a 7-year-old and a 4-year-old when the fire ignited.

Neighbor Tiffany Williams recounted what the boys who escaped told her: "They said they heard the baby crying, beating on the door but they couldn't go back to get her cause they were choking on the smoke."

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Authorities believe a hot plate used for heat sparked the flames, but the cause remains under investigation. When the fire started, a relative helped the two older boys to safety, but Jariah and Jarvis stayed trapped inside the apartment.


A resident who called 911 just before 3:30 a.m. told authorities that young children were trapped inside the burning home in the 6400 block of South Paulina Street in the West Englewood area, Fire Media Affairs Director Larry Langford said. When firefighters arrived, the fire had blown out a window and open air was feeding the flames. 

“Everybody concentrated and made a frantic search to find them,” Langford said.

But “extensive” fire made it difficult for firefighters to reach the rear bedroom where the fire started, and where the children were located.

Witnesses said the children's mother was frantic.

"She was going crazy, no one could control her," Williams said.

Firefighters used a saw to cut the bars off a basement window in an attempt to reach the children, but they were unable to rescue the toddlers in time. They later found the children's bodies in the three-bedroom apartment on the first floor of the two-story gray stone building.

Fire investigators continue to sort out what caused the fire. They are also talking with the mother, who police said left the four children home alone.

"They said their mother was getting dressed told them to go in their room and go to sleep," said Williams. "They said they were left there alone and they'd been there by themselves for a long time."

The two surviving children were taken into the custody of Illinois Department of Children and Family Services.

Crews have not found any working smoke detectors in the home, Langford said. The Chicago Fire Department canvassed the neighborhood on Saturday, starting at 10 a.m., to pass out smoke alarms and share fire safety information.



 

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They pop out babies without a thought and walk away from them without a thought.

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#1 - Sat Dec 22, 2012 10:17 PM EST

The mother belongs in prison. She endangered the welfare of those children by leaving them alone. Accidents like this are the reason that it is not legal to leave little ones alone, they can not take care of themselves in an emergency. Had a responsible adult been taking care of these children they would in all likelihood still be alive. The negligence of the mother is without a doubt a major factor in their death. While I feel for her losing two of her children, there is still no excuse for what she did. Not only did two of her children die, her other two children now have to live with the memory of this horrible tragedy and the feelings of helplessness they must have had in not being able to help their two younger siblings. Rest in peace little ones, and I hope that the two children who survived get the help they are going to need to deal with this tragedy.

  • 33 votes
#1.1 - Sat Dec 22, 2012 10:31 PM EST

I just can't with this mother. "The children's mother was frantic".....Sorry, but I just want to spit in this woman's face. Give her the maximum.

  • 17 votes
#1.2 - Sun Dec 23, 2012 12:32 AM EST

When my son was little i NEVER left him in the house by himself.I was a single parent and i took him almost everywhere with me.When it comes to you kids,SAFETY is not optional.

  • 19 votes
#1.3 - Sun Dec 23, 2012 1:46 AM EST

Sorry for the typos folks,this keyboard has seen much better days.

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#1.4 - Sun Dec 23, 2012 2:06 AM EST

It's a sad damned day when a 7-year old and a 4-year old are the most responsible people at the scene. Now they have to live with the memories of those voices crying on the other side of that door, and with the knowledge that they were neglected, some of them to death.

when a child dies in a fire Everyone is to blame.

Take me off your "Everyone" list, warren. Had I been tasked to watch those children, they'd all be alive, I can guaran-damn-tee that. Who was the last adult with those children? That's who killed those kids.

  • 16 votes
#1.5 - Sun Dec 23, 2012 2:41 AM EST

I'm not sure why the mom was not home but I don't either understand why they had a warmer like that for heat. If she cannot supply the children with a proper parent and a proper way to heat their home she does not deserve those children.

If she was worth her weight in salt they would not have been alone. She is guilty of neglect, and murder by neglect.

  • 10 votes
#1.6 - Sun Dec 23, 2012 2:59 AM EST

I was a seven-year-old latchkey kid in the mid-'70s. In the middle of a divorce and having to work to support us, she entrusted me with a key to the front door. I'd walk home from school at 3 p.m. and lock myself in... no friends, no guests, just me and the television set until she got back around 6 p.m. or so. And I had to be there when she got back, of course. Even the early incidents of missing children (Etan Patz, Adam Walsh, etc.) couldn't change that routine due to our financial situation.

So I can understand the reasons why the mother might not be home--unable to find or afford a babysitter, and needing to go to work or risk eviction, sometimes people hovering on the edge of poverty have to make the gamble and leave young children alone. Or perhaps she was "just next door," not very far away, and felt sure that she could get back to be with her children when they needed her.

Mercifully, we HAD a good heating system in our government-subsidized housing unit. It seems obvious that this family didn't--which is one of the shames of modern society, when heat (particularly in a cold climate like Chicago) can be turned off for non-payment to leave children cold in the night.

It's all about money. The government cannot be there for you if you want to live indoors and have heat, even though we're one of the wealthiest nations in the world and should know how to provide basic survival for our people. You don't pay, you don't get, you go without and so do your kids. Sometimes parents have to take the risk and leave kids alone. And sometimes they, and the children, lose. As in this case.

  • 5 votes
#1.7 - Sun Dec 23, 2012 4:23 AM EST

Spoken like a true socialist. If you can't afford to feed and shelter your kids, then DON'T HAVE KIDS. I'm fully aware that the more babies she pushes out, the more Obama bucks she going to get, but that's not only not right, it's a text example (of a thousand) of what's wrong with our entitlement nation. Gees people ,when are you going to wake up to the fact that we (as a country and a society) don't owe anyone anything. Being born here (the US) is enough of a gift!

  • 18 votes
#1.8 - Sun Dec 23, 2012 5:20 AM EST

Sho you right! Its's the goverments fault. I can bet this women, I won't call her a mom, was not out working. It is also a safe bet that she was getting welfare, free medical,housing, and everything else she as a so called single mom can get from the goverment. To bad for the kids she didn't use the "free" money as it was intended to take care of those kids. She has 4 kids. Well HAD 4, I wonder if any of dem has da same daddy? Unless I'm way off base, I'm guessing shes just another welfare HO! There is a reason I fully support the push to drug test all welfare receipiants.

  • 11 votes
#1.9 - Sun Dec 23, 2012 5:27 AM EST

Well said Larry. I'm sorry I didn't see your comment before I poaated mine. I was to busy punching the keys of my keyboard in outrage at standups comments. Let's blame everyone except the whore mamma.

  • 7 votes
#1.10 - Sun Dec 23, 2012 5:31 AM EST

Oh, yea, everyone is able to see the future and predict the hard times that are coming. Therefore, we should NEVER have kids until we have $1m in the bank and can guard against poverty, car accidents, unforeseen illnesses, deaths in the family and firings/being laid off that may come our way.

Nice go of racist dialogue there, both of you. Your parents and YOUR kids must be SO proud of your openmindedness towards the black community... hey, why did you not throw the word "pickaninny" into your "dem" and "sho" comments while you're at it?

  • 3 votes
#1.11 - Sun Dec 23, 2012 5:39 AM EST

Stand, that's what is called being RESPONSIBLE means. NO, we cannot predict the future, so we must try to be prepared for it. If you're not working at all, or earn so little that you qualify for public housing WHY are you having children? Sorry, but I have no regard for people who expect others to support them.

It's one thing when lose a good job and you are brought down to that point with your kids, but when you CONTINUE to bring children into the world that you cannot suppot,,that's just downright Irresponsible.

Who besides YOU said anything about the black community? You seem to be the only one mentioning it. There is scum in all races and nationalities.

  • 8 votes
#1.12 - Sun Dec 23, 2012 7:06 AM EST

Father God forgive me for being rude about this woman and what I believe she deserves and what I think she is worth. I am not better, I just made different decision in my life

Forgive her for what she did and help her through the loss of those babies. I believe shehas learned a very difficult lesson that she will live with forever. The consequences of our actions are for a lifetime.

I pray we all learn from this horrible situation.

Viners forgive me for being so rude

  • 5 votes
#1.13 - Sun Dec 23, 2012 7:39 AM EST

First off why didn't the relative who helped the 2 older boys try to help the younger ones? As for the mother she was evidently more interested in going on and partying than staying home with her children. I hope she is charged with neglect and has nightmares filled with the screams of those 2 babies. The fact of whether she is on welfare or not has NOTHING to do with what happened.

Larry & NRA before you start profiling people on welfare walk a mile in their shoes. Not everyone on welfare is there by choice. if OBAMA did more to put people to work then those on welfare might have a chance.

  • 5 votes
#1.14 - Sun Dec 23, 2012 7:55 AM EST

And where was/were the father/s? Probably out getting themselves some more p**** rather than being responsible parents. Men need to learn to keep it zipped until they are ready for fatherhood.

  • 10 votes
#1.15 - Sun Dec 23, 2012 8:46 AM EST

Sad news for this time of year...We had that baby sitter who left 7 kids alone while she went

to Target shopping..With a pan of grease on the stove..?

Thats 4 families who will not enjoy Christmas with their kids... So SAD

  • 2 votes
#1.16 - Sun Dec 23, 2012 8:56 AM EST

This madness has to stop. When will congress finally act and ban these apartments that burn? Enough is enough!

  • 1 vote
#1.17 - Sun Dec 23, 2012 9:27 AM EST

How many more have to die? When will gongress finally act and od something? When will ban these horrible apartments that burn? Fires don't kill, burning apartments kill!

    #1.18 - Sun Dec 23, 2012 9:30 AM EST

    Men need to learn to keep it zipped until they are ready for fatherhood.

    Last I checked, it took a woman spreading her legs as well.

    Nice pinning all the blame on men though.

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    #1.19 - Sun Dec 23, 2012 10:33 AM EST

    No doubt poverty killed these babies. There is no excuse for the mother leaving them alone without some supervision. However, it happens all the time when single mothers can't afford daycare, babysitters, or abortion. Birth control would have helped, but even that is beyond the reach of some women. Education and a real job are the only true remedies, but tragedies like this will continue to happen if people can't find a way to lift themselves out of poverty and ignorance

      #1.20 - Sun Dec 23, 2012 11:55 AM EST

      jkatze, sadly so, but you are so correct! What is this world coming to?

        #1.21 - Sun Dec 23, 2012 2:28 PM EST

        If the mother was at work, then the father should have been home to take care of the children. If BOTH were working at that hour, then the relative who got the two older children out should have been caring (at babysitter rates) for all four of the children. If the mother was not working, then negligent homicide charges seem to be in order. Put the "mother" in prison, sterilize her and get the father to take care of the children. If he cannot be identified or found, then the mother never should be getting any assistance in the first place. The state has too often become the party of FIRST AND ONLY RESORT when caring for youngsters. Perhaps laws requiring fathers to be named prior to any dispensation in order for mothers to receive any benefits whatsoever. Laws need to be enacted to make all parents involved responsibile and the laws need to be enforced. The taxpayers should not be footing the bills for such cases unless all other options have been explored.

        • 3 votes
        #1.22 - Sun Dec 23, 2012 5:56 PM EST

        This happens so many times especially in the winter months.I am hopeful that her two other children will be placed in loving and secure homes and that she will be incarcerated for life.I'm sorry to sound so mean but these kinds of tragedies can not go on any longer.these are innocent babes that cannot fend for themselves.The mother does not deserve to ever have another pleasant day on this earth.

          #1.23 - Sun Dec 23, 2012 6:35 PM EST

          fyte: It wasn't poverty that killed those babies. It was a fire.

          Possibly started by a hot plate. A hot plate that used as a heat source due to either a negligent adult or slum lord. We don't know why the mother wasn't at home, but the story states that a relative was there when the fire first started. So it's entirely possible that there was an adult looking out for the kids. The relative could have been asleep that early in the morning. So even if the mother had been home instead of the relative, it is possible that the fire would have started.

          • 1 vote
          #1.24 - Tue Dec 25, 2012 11:58 PM EST

          After using the same sources that MSN did, and finding information that MSN (obviously) omitted, I have to amend my previous answer. The mother and aunt both left the children alone for a party. It's still possible that the hot plate would have started a fire, but the babies would have had a better chance to live. And the women wouldn't be in jail right now. Whatever the investigation finds, the cause of the fire will be more concrete and absolute than poverty.

          • 2 votes
          #1.25 - Wed Dec 26, 2012 1:58 AM EST
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          So sad for the siblings. The mother deserves to be jailed for life for her actions. Selfish selfish bitch.

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          Reply#2 - Sat Dec 22, 2012 10:24 PM EST
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          Were they black?

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          Reply#3 - Sat Dec 22, 2012 10:37 PM EST

          Stupid racist troll climb back under your rock.

          There are stupid black and white Americans whose kids die in accidents like this.

          The woman should be jailed no matter what her color.

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          #3.1 - Sat Dec 22, 2012 10:47 PM EST

          This fire occurred in Chicago. I believe that that far more black children die in fires when left unattended that Euro or Asian.

          We can't begin to find solutions until we look at all factors. If a population needs to be targeted for risk factors and potential prevention, then that population needs to be targeted.

          Better to be perceived as not PC than to have more children die.

          • 3 votes
          #3.2 - Sun Dec 23, 2012 12:57 AM EST

          We can't begin to find solutions until we look at all factors. If a population needs to be targeted for risk factors and potential prevention, then that population needs to be targeted.

          Better to be perceived as not PC than to have more children die.

          I don't know how these common-sense, logical and practical thoughts make me feel so---queasy-icky.

          Suffice it to say that white women seem to have the market on killing their kids to spite their men, and treating their newborns like so much trash to be left in garbage cans while they return to their proms.

          • 1 vote
          #3.3 - Sun Dec 23, 2012 2:27 AM EST

          Those names didn't sound Irish to me....

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          #3.4 - Sun Dec 23, 2012 5:23 AM EST
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          TogTinTooDeleted

          when a child dies in a fire Everyone is to blame.

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          #5 - Sat Dec 22, 2012 11:40 PM EST

          Warren, exactly how is everyone to blame for these children dying in a fire? I have taught others to take precautions, I use smoke detectors, I made sure my children were never left alone, and volunteered to help watch others children in a pinch. Bought smoke detectors, fire extinguishers for those who couldn't afford them and taught fire plans.

          So exactly how is it my fault,or teachers, city officials and everyone else in this country, who likewise have taken such precautions and helped out? Please leave the blame exactly where it belongs.Unless you are volunteering to be guilty yourself.

          On the mother, who left her innocent babies all alone.Who didn't have a working smoke detector.That had a long standing habit of not thinking ahead to what could happen. As she continued repeatedly to risk her children, by leaving them alone, long before this fire finally caught up with her. Like so many other parents, no doubt are doing at this time.Thinking they are so smart, they would never make the mistake she did.

          There will always be parents foolish enough to not take their responsibilities to the full extent they should, and their precious little ones will suffer for it. It is human nature. We can't always stop them. But we can do our part to report them as much as possible and be proactive.

          In the meantime, our hearts will be broken and we will weep, for those tiny souls lost. We can vow to always keep an eye out for any parent to fails to do their best and we can be the guardians such precious souls deserve in life.Long before death even has a chance to get close to them.

          • 8 votes
          #5.1 - Sun Dec 23, 2012 12:37 AM EST

          Windancersong

          I will tell you something simple to understand. No one should die in a fire.

          Especially a little child. We have Strict laws in upscale communities that dictate the color of paint to use on your home by Associations but at the same time let less wealthy children burn up in a shoddy room using a hot plate for heat.

          Yes when children die because no one can take care of them then we all are to blame.

          • 4 votes
          #5.2 - Sun Dec 23, 2012 1:18 AM EST

          The parents are primary ones to be blamed for this.It was their responsibility in the 1st place to look after their kids.The government and human services can not get involved unless someone reports a possible dangerous situation to them.Do you expect the government to inspect all homes with kids on a regular basis?Once again,It falls back on the parent or guardian to seek help if they need it.Big Brother can't do anything unless he is told about it.

          • 12 votes
          #5.3 - Sun Dec 23, 2012 1:59 AM EST

          It takes a village idiot. Warren stand up.

          • 8 votes
          #5.4 - Sun Dec 23, 2012 4:50 AM EST

          Warren, I am ready to accept my blame and change my ways so it doesnt happen again as MY FAULT. I say neuter / casterate any parent on welfare that has more than 1 kid. I say we drug test every person on welfare and take it away if they are found dirty. I say take away their kids if they are on welfare and will not take the drug test or if found dirty. I say we pay for child care while the parent is working. (we already do) I say we ONLY pay for child care during the hours when the parent is working. I say we do not pay a cent of welfare unless the parent has a job. I say if the parent "can not" find a job that we GIVE them one. Picking up trash in the gutters if nothing else. I say no more giving these hoes "moe money" for every kid they spit out. I am damn ready to take my resposibilty for the blame you say is mine. You just give me the authority to correct it and I will GETERDONE!

          • 11 votes
          #5.5 - Sun Dec 23, 2012 5:50 AM EST

          So tell me Warren, why are you wasting money on luxuries like the Internet and a computer? Shouldn't that money be spent on those less fortunate? Why aren't you enraged that your POTUS is spending millions on a vacation when that money could have been spent to save these kids who lived only a few miles from the President's house in Chitown? Why aren't you furious about the collective billions spent on the last couple of elections? Why aren't you furious that we'd rather blow billions to save an over-paid auto-union? I know you're a good little Liberal so I know you whine about the money Republicans spend, why not your Messiah? Why not you? And before you ask, I did my part. I spent a long time making sure that the less fortunate not only had fire detectors in their houses, I made sure they had ones that would work and work every time. What have you done? I've spoken to thousands about fire safety. What's your contribution except blaming everyone else? You know who's to blame? The egg-donor responsible for their safety. Oh, and for the record, it's illegal for utilities to cut off heat in the winter when there are disabled or children there. It's federal law. It's part of their agreement with the government so that they don't have to follow some anti-trust laws. You know what, I'm wasting key strokes.

          • 6 votes
          #5.6 - Sun Dec 23, 2012 8:45 AM EST

          Warren the Lib, blaming everyone except the one who is actually at fault here. What part about it do you NOT understand that when "adults" take it upon themselves to bring children into this phucked up world it is THEIR RESPONSIBILITY FOR THEIR CHILDRENS WELFARE!!!!??? Shut your pie hole idiot!

          • 5 votes
          #5.7 - Sun Dec 23, 2012 9:02 AM EST

          Warren are we also responsible for every cancer death, murder victim and ODed drug addict? Say what you will about Christianity at least the bible allows for free will. I do not believe I can or should control the actions of others. I wish I could have prevent the deaths of the children in question but to be 100% honest having seen how well government manages its other "helpful" programs I seriously doubt the wisdom of involving ourselves in further regulating other people's parenting beyond just enforcing the laws we already have. If the answer to the question is money and she truly cannot afford to stay home with her kids and can PROVE it then she is off the hook to a VERY small degree but realistically that is probably not the case and honestly there are alternatives. Today the poor "need" so many things even the wealthy did not have when I was a child that I tend to question someones definition of poverty without proof. So until you can prove to me I am personally responsible for the children's deaths I fear I have to feel the idiot who left 4 babies alone in a house with improper heat and probably in a dangerous neighborhood is the guilty party.

          • 1 vote
          #5.8 - Sun Dec 23, 2012 9:22 AM EST

          NRA Member 273....

          Sadly, most of the mothers that I've assisted and worked with have ended up on the system because the father walked away from them holding the bag with 1 to 5 children in tow. Even worse is the fathers were usually involved with other younger women that were pregnant with more of their children. Also, if you have more than 2 children in daycare it's difficult for many to find employment that will pay enough to even cover the cost of daycare. That's why (In The Past) the mother's stayed home to care for the children and dad was expected to go to work. This old system of family dynamics and child rearing was put in place long before we got here and stayed in place because it worked! If it isn't broken, don't fix it. Someones got to work inside/outside home and someone has to watch the kids and work in the home or some alternate variation of that. The point is, it takes the ones responsible for the creation of that family! It's not always the mothers fault. The unwillingness for men to take responsibility for their children is an enormous part of this equation. The answer lies in the arena of personal responsibility which sadly is in short supply these days. I recently read about a case where a man with 27 children with more than half dozen women (he married and abandoned each one) wants the different states to pay his child support. At some point this guys running tab on each state became intentional and in my opinion criminal. Societies current level of blame shifting and finger pointing is without question a large reason for moral decay. Unprecedented selfishness is the air most breath. This is what happens when we fail to teach our children real personal responsibility and give them no consequences for their unwise choices. It's never okay to engage in activities that can have a permanent affect on someones life and walk away from what YOU DID because that's not what you wanted for your own life. Typically when you make a mess you clean it up, but now kids view mom and dad as the maids. Will people wake up to what they are doing to this world by not disciplining their kids? There is a price that should be paid and everyone EXCEPT the persons responsible are paying it! We've moved past the days of parental enforced shot gun weddings, now if we could stop the behavior that made them necessary in the past. Peoples selfishness and personal agendas are destroying society and the world. If people would practice personal responsibility we could heal the world. What a beautiful bunch we could be.

          • 8 votes
          #5.9 - Sun Dec 23, 2012 9:35 AM EST

          Warren.... your doctors need to up your meds or something. "Everyone"? The ONLY person to blame is the mother of these four kids. Regardless of what led up to this particular incident, she should not have left a 7yr old to look at the rest of her litter. It's a miracle that two of them made it out.

          • 5 votes
          #5.10 - Sun Dec 23, 2012 10:05 AM EST

          What's your contribution except blaming everyone else?

          Practice what you preach. Your entire post is a rant against the President and Liberals. Talk about wearing your agenda on your sleeve.

          You even attacked unions.

          You do realise this is an article about the death of two children, and not some political piece, correct?

          Way to use a tragedy to spray your political hate. Stay classy.

          • 1 vote
          #5.11 - Sun Dec 23, 2012 10:37 AM EST

          Warren you obviously are not equipped to comment on such adult issues. Get back in your crib.

          • 3 votes
          #5.12 - Sun Dec 23, 2012 10:38 AM EST

          By the way Warren if we are all to blame why don't we arrest you first. It seems appropriate since you are volunteering yourself as one of the low life's in society that caused this.

          • 2 votes
          #5.13 - Sun Dec 23, 2012 10:48 AM EST

          So I guess you missed the whole class warfare broadside of the OP, Mike. Actually, my attack was on the mindset that it's everyone else's fault when Liberal policies are what make these kinds of events possible. I'm railing against the hypocrisy of someone who claims to be "for the little guy" who's vacationing while these children burned. I'm calling out the hypocrisy of the Left who never mind spending money hand over fist to pay for these and other luxuries but then point the finger at others to salve their withered consciences. But then, I guess you only see what you want to see, right? I've done more for fire safety than probably 99% of the population. I've been a volunteer fireman and I've installed thousands of heat, CO2, and smoke detectors in homes. What are you doing?

            #5.14 - Sun Dec 23, 2012 11:34 AM EST

            Then Warren, YOU should be arrested instead of the mother and aunt. YOU are to blame for not putting smoke alarms in the woman's apartment. YOU are to blame for the mother's irresponsibilty and her negligence. YOU plugged in the hot plate. YOU left the children alone. YOU put yourself first when YOU went to party.

            Everyone else looks out for our own.

            • 1 vote
            #5.15 - Wed Dec 26, 2012 1:47 AM EST
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            Wow, this is just awful! What in the heck was the mother thinking?? Leaving four children, all under the age of ten home alone??? I think she should loose custody of the other two, and be locked up for the death of the two toddlers. What a shame!!!

            Some people, they really don't deserve to birth kids, and yet they are lucky enough to do so.

            • 9 votes
            Reply#6 - Sat Dec 22, 2012 11:54 PM EST

            If all of the people that didn't deserve to reproduce didn't, the human population would be close to extinction. And I for one, would not have the loves of my life. But whoever was left might be closer to a utopia.

              #6.1 - Wed Dec 26, 2012 2:03 AM EST

              She was probably thinking.....d**n, I gots to git to dat partayyyy. Da kits be fine.

                #6.2 - Thu Jan 3, 2013 12:44 PM EST
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                What was so important that the mother had to leave the house at 3:30 in the morning?

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                Reply#7 - Sat Dec 22, 2012 11:59 PM EST

                Some factories and other jobs consider day shift to be from 330 am to 1130am or 12pm.I rather doubt this was the reason but,certainly one of the many possibilities.(this was the nicer of the possibilities)

                • 1 vote
                #7.1 - Sun Dec 23, 2012 2:03 AM EST

                I agree, it is possible but not likely. Some drug dealers consider those time frames as shift work too.

                • 6 votes
                #7.2 - Sun Dec 23, 2012 5:57 AM EST

                Probably out getting some (Charles) Dickens.

                  #7.3 - Sun Dec 23, 2012 10:18 AM EST

                  A party. MSN will direct you to a reliable source. It just won't use it.

                  • 1 vote
                  #7.4 - Wed Dec 26, 2012 2:05 AM EST
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                  Very SAD, I guess Mom was unable to get a babysitter so early in the morning.

                  Those children did not have to die, negligence of mother is to blame

                  • 2 votes
                  Reply#8 - Sun Dec 23, 2012 12:23 AM EST

                  Warren, I was a child in a fire once, and have the scars from it.What have you done to stop children from dying in fires?Take all the blame you want and in your odd logic put it on the whole world. But it won't save a single life putting everybody on a guilt trip where no responsibility exists.Other children in the world are not at fault either, in your "we are all to blame."Those who spend their lives rescuing others, enforcing the laws, prosecuting those who abuse, commit criminals acts, and others working to fulfill their roles as parents are not at fault.

                  Directing your anger at the wrong people won't save a single child's life from fire. Just as the whole world wasn't responsible for the fire I survived as a small child. By blaming everyone, it becomes easier to ignore the real person responsible and the causes of social problems which can be behind such a fire.

                  It ignores the breakdown of the family structure and extended family. Which used to exist at one time just a few generations ago.Hence, people's lack of supporting each other in times of need.Single parents who may struggle to find babysitters at odd hours. Neighbors who used to know and help each other out.

                  Our society's acceptance of poverty as a way of life. How easy it is to neglect children's basic needs.Sometimes parents who put themselves ahead of their children, for selfish reasons. A systemic problem in all levels, from rich to poor.

                  You can go ahead and blame everybody, but that hides these ugly truths too easily. And also let's one get off the hook. As if by saying, you are just as bad as I, you imply, surely you have done nothing in your life to make a difference, either. You cannot know how much others have done to try to improve life for those less fortunate. Including to ensure no child need die in a fire. All you can know, is what you have done or not done on your own.

                  So I will only look to the mother, who left her children alone. Perhaps she couldn't find help while working. We don't know yet. But either way, they needed an adult to watch over them.For in she who gave birth to such precious life, stewardship exists. Not strangers living across vast distances who never met such souls.

                  • 9 votes
                  Reply#9 - Sun Dec 23, 2012 2:33 AM EST

                  what a great response Wind.I am sorry to hear of your past trauma.One of the bigget problems in this society that goes unmentioned here is the simple concept of blaming everyone else for ones problems.Very few people anymore take ownership of their mistakes anymore and tries to fix the problems at hand.Blaming others is easier than taking responsability.P.S i sure wish i had your command of the english language and composition skills.That's what i get for ummm side stepping English lit etc etc and concentrating on military science and political science in college.

                  • 5 votes
                  #9.1 - Sun Dec 23, 2012 2:50 AM EST
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                  Ban fires

                    Reply#10 - Sun Dec 23, 2012 3:19 AM EST

                    Yep, anything to save the children

                      #10.1 - Sun Dec 23, 2012 2:18 PM EST
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                      BAN IGNORANT GHETTO PEOPLE FROM BREEDING. Just A Realistic Thought . !!! No Racism Here .

                      • 12 votes
                      Reply#11 - Sun Dec 23, 2012 4:45 AM EST

                      @Mike. YES, YES, YES!

                        #11.1 - Thu Jan 3, 2013 12:45 PM EST
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                        Those poor babies!

                          Reply#12 - Sun Dec 23, 2012 5:58 AM EST

                          Leaving children alone is becoming a trend in EVERY RACIAL COMMUNITY!! It's happening!! Many of these women leave their children to go out and party, and sleep with men. I know that times are hard for some Mothers who may not be able to pay for childcare, but work full time jobs, but Illinois does have childcare assistance programs, so there is no excuse. This is shameful, and I just feel sorry for the babies for they never asked to be here, and she should have cared more for her children, than she did for herself, but I guess for some people, they are just selfish!!! When you bare a child, you take on the responsibility for that child, and if you choose not too, then your Soul will be condemned into the flames of HELL!! Blessed be the children!!

                          • 1 vote
                          Reply#13 - Sun Dec 23, 2012 6:30 AM EST

                          It really does happen to some extent in all racial communities. My neighbor had given his son a key to the house in case he (the dad) was late after school. The boy was 8 and was expected to look after his 5 year old sister. I was floored. I told the guy (and the kids) that I was ALWAYS home on time so just come over to my house and I'd watch them. The dad brushed it off but my daughter (who was 2 years older) would talk the kids into coming over everytime anyway :-).

                          A young latchkey kid home for an hour by himself is one thing, as long as there is a "backup" grownup nearby, but add the responsibility of watching a sibling or 2 or three?!? There's a reason many states have laws that a kid can't be left home alone before 10 or 11.... (hell- I don't leave my 12 year old alone without a grownup somewhere nearby!

                          • 1 vote
                          #13.1 - Sun Dec 23, 2012 9:41 AM EST
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                          We need to ban hot plates ! If the mother never had access to one this never would have happened.

                          • 4 votes
                          Reply#14 - Sun Dec 23, 2012 6:35 AM EST

                          Oh, I do know !

                          I live in the peoples republic of Maryland. If the hot plate had more than one burner, it would be an "Assault hot plate" and she would have had to wait 8 days before she could have it. She could only buy one every 30 days and that is only if it is listed on the "Not Dissaproved" list.....

                          And on and on and on.....

                          • 1 vote
                          #14.2 - Sun Dec 23, 2012 8:02 PM EST
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                          Warren,

                          There is no way ANYONE is to blame for this tragedy except the mother of those babies who decided that going out partying was more important than doing her job and taking proper care of them. I hate to think so, but this might be a case of Darwin's law. If a parent isn't smart enough to care for their offspring, the offspring don't survive...Horrible...

                          • 4 votes
                          Reply#15 - Sun Dec 23, 2012 7:26 AM EST

                          Witnesses said the children's mother was frantic."She was going crazy, no one could control her,"

                          Yeah, I bet she was frantic too while she was getting ready to leave them alone and go out partying and have sex all night also, they "forgot" to throw in that part of the story, potentially getting pregnant for her fifth time by a different POS that is as irresponsible and worthless as she is herself, then dropping another one out for the taxpayers to raise on her Obama welfare. Although it does truly wrench my heart for these poor little defenseless children at least the headline DIDN'T read: Two Toddlers Gunned Down in Chicago Ghetto IN A Drive By Shooting. Still though, what an irresponsible worthless peice of $HIT.

                          • 5 votes
                          Reply#17 - Sun Dec 23, 2012 8:54 AM EST

                          Four Children and the oldest is 7, and no mention of the Baby Daddy!!!!Surprised?? Out partying! Hope it was her last party and she is charged to the maximum sentence. She killed her own children by her neglect. You can dress up and put perfume on but putting perfume on a pig it's still a pig. She is just a low life piece of garbage. Hope the 2 surviving children are removed permanently from anyone in that family, give them a chance foster care is better than that group of jungle animals...Sterilize the Mother.

                          • 1 vote
                          #17.1 - Sun Dec 23, 2012 11:09 AM EST

                          Midnight Rider, the correct term for such behavior is "chimpout".

                          • 1 vote
                          #17.2 - Sun Dec 23, 2012 11:59 AM EST
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                          Must have needed milk for her morning coffee.Prob had a hard time finding a store that was open since she did tell the children to go to bed that they would be alone for a long time.Put her ass and the pimp in jail..What a shame this so called accident is..

                          • 2 votes
                          Reply#18 - Sun Dec 23, 2012 8:58 AM EST

                          "Must have needed milk for her morning coffee."

                          Or possibly condoms for her long night out, however I seriously doubt that she even has enough responsibility to "suit her man up" seeing how irresponsible she is with the helpless, living, breathing souls she brought into the world over and over again nonstop. It's obvious that there were definitely no condoms employed in those instances.

                          • 5 votes
                          #18.1 - Sun Dec 23, 2012 9:16 AM EST
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                          vigil to honor 2-year-old Jariah and 3-year-old Jarvis. The boys were alone with a 7-year-old and a 4-year-old when the fire ignited.

                          they were left there alone and they'd been there by themselves for a long time.

                          Witnesses said the children's mother was frantic.

                          Gimme a break. Honor the children now that they're dead? Frantic mother?

                          She probably wanted to get back to a party.

                          These are kids born to generate welfare payments.

                          • 10 votes
                          Reply#19 - Sun Dec 23, 2012 9:07 AM EST

                          I'd say you reasoned exactly right on that call.

                          • 5 votes
                          #19.1 - Sun Dec 23, 2012 9:18 AM EST
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                          She is frantic allright! Because she knows she is going to jail!!

                          • 4 votes
                          Reply#20 - Sun Dec 23, 2012 9:42 AM EST

                          Sharpton and Jackson will come to her defense as the victim and use the race card!

                          • 7 votes
                          #20.1 - Sun Dec 23, 2012 9:47 AM EST
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                          Until we know the whole story, let's not pass judgement. I had extremely responsible parents. There was only one car in the family. If there was a doctors or dentist appointment my mother would sometimes drive dad to work and come back while we children slept so that we could get to that appointment. That took about 45 minutes to an hour. At nine and the oldest of three, I knew what to do in an emergency, a couple of ways out of the house, who to call and which neighbor would help. I do think 7 year olds are too young to do this. I do think that we "baby" our children and don't allow them the responsibility that they are capable of while they are growing up and are surprised when they are not capable as adults.

                            Reply#21 - Sun Dec 23, 2012 9:48 AM EST

                            Really, doctor's appt, any kind of appt at 3am? Get real!

                            • 2 votes
                            #21.1 - Sun Dec 23, 2012 9:52 AM EST
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                            Hot plates don't cause fires, GUNS cause fires! Oh wait... or was it video games that cause fires? No... nope... that's not it... violent movies cause fires? No? Surely extra large sodas cause fires? Rock 'n Roll? Dungeons and Dragons? Toyotas maybe?

                            • 2 votes
                            Reply#22 - Sun Dec 23, 2012 9:49 AM EST

                            That is so sad! Small children should never, ever be left home alone! I feel so bad for those kids. They deserve better.

                              Reply#23 - Sun Dec 23, 2012 9:50 AM EST
                              Comment author avatarDaGreatone Tony Gvia Facebook

                              typical ghetto ass parent ain't nothing new but the weave

                              • 7 votes
                              Reply#24 - Sun Dec 23, 2012 10:00 AM EST

                              She will have more kids so the checks keep coming in. Real dirt bag for leaving children to care for themselves. Where are all the fathers of these kids. I bet they only come around to make babies and we the people have to pay for them.

                              • 5 votes
                              Reply#25 - Sun Dec 23, 2012 10:04 AM EST

                              Statistic: Over 70% of bIack households are fatherless! Fact!!!

                              • 8 votes
                              #25.1 - Sun Dec 23, 2012 10:18 AM EST

                              I was going to AKS about the household

                                #25.2 - Sun Dec 23, 2012 12:13 PM EST
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                                I don't know with just kids there if they would have done any good or not, but why did the fire department wait until some kids died before they passed out fire detectors?

                                • 1 vote
                                Reply#26 - Sun Dec 23, 2012 10:26 AM EST

                                Smoke detectors are provided free of charge to the poor and those on welfare. In fact, landlords, by law, are supposed to have them installed. Problem is many of these people wind up selling them for their drugs or whatever, or simply do not maintain them like installing fresh batteries.

                                • 3 votes
                                #26.1 - Sun Dec 23, 2012 10:30 AM EST

                                They have money for everything else, sneakers at $300. a pair !! jewelry, plenty of junk food,soda etc ever been on line in a grocery store and see what they buy with those EBT cards, but they can't buy a $10. smoke alarm! Give me a break.

                                • 3 votes
                                #26.2 - Sun Dec 23, 2012 11:19 AM EST

                                The landlord probably installed batteries and someone took them out for the remote control. Or they disabled it because the crack smoke set it off. And where the heck is my free Obammy smoke detector?! Oh, thats right I have a job and have to PAY for my stuff.

                                • 1 vote
                                #26.3 - Sun Dec 23, 2012 12:08 PM EST
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                                In Minnesota there is no "law" regarding age, however these are the guidelines and I tend to agree with them:

                                • Children age 7 and under should not be left alone for any period of time

                                • Children ages 8-10 may be left alone for up to three hours

                                • Children ages 11-13 may be left alone for up to 12 hours

                                • Children ages 14-15 may be left alone for up to 24 hours

                                • Children ages 16-17 may be left alone for over 24 hours with a plan in place concerning how to respond to an emergency.

                                Also, DHS has provided guidelines for what is considered appropriate supervision. That is the following:

                                • Children under age 11 should not provide child care

                                • Children ages 11-15 who are placed in a child care role are subject to the same time restrictions of being left alone as listed above

                                I wonder what the recommendation is for Illinois?

                                • 1 vote
                                Reply#27 - Sun Dec 23, 2012 10:33 AM EST

                                Move the 14-15 to the left alone for 3 hours... the 'guidelines' for the younger ones is plain stupid.

                                An 8 year old by themselves for 3 hours?

                                That is the kind of STUPID thinking that gets kids killed in fires like this.

                                  #27.1 - Sun Dec 23, 2012 12:58 PM EST

                                  My son at 8 couldn't have been on his own for 3 hours.

                                  • 1 vote
                                  #27.2 - Sun Dec 23, 2012 3:24 PM EST
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