Forrest Gump: "Stupid is as stupid does..."

...and these idiots are stupid, Forrest!

There is no doubt that they should be charged,tried, and and if convicted, put in prison.

Irresponsible children having children, time to meet your cell mates. Idiots, hopefully they will have many years to think about how important that party really was. Hopefully the surviving kids will be adopted out to a responsible family and not given to the morons who raised these 2 idiots.

The "mother" is living proof that just because a woman can be impregnanted doesn't mean she has a clue as to how to be a mother.

Charge the friends and neighbors who all knew they were left alone on a regular basis along side em.

This was not a first time incident and all the friends and neighbors knew and didn't want to get

"IN TROUBLE' for calling CPS! Shame on you all who could have prevented this senseless tragedy

What was she going to do? KILL YOU?.

Now that the story was updated it appears that we have not one but two irresponsible so called adults.I can't fathom the thinking of these two leaving these small children home alone especially with a hot plate being used for heat.I'm wishing these kids will be placed in a loving and secure home.I'm hoping that these two receive lengthy prison sentences.They do not deserve their freedom.

This was not a first time incident and all the friends and neighbors knew and didn't want to get

"IN TROUBLE' for calling CPS! Shame on you all who could have prevented this senseless tragedy

What was she going to do? KILL YOU?.

Frankly in some places, YES you might be killed for calling the cops or CPS. Not that I am condoning not calling in any way.

Gm mary

Because she left her kids there as well but being older they were able to get out. hers were 7 and 4 shes 22. do the math.

Hey Tramp. I just didn't think of that. But that's why I said the story stinks. They don't give you all the facts.

GM Scooter...

With these cases, it's usually the 4 or 7 yr old that were playing with matches, started a fire and of course, ran out of the house. Kids do not understand the repercussions of their actions and are scared to be honest and say they set the fire. Unfortunate.

If the Mother and Aunt were there to supervise them, this would not have happened.

The Mother now has to live with being blamed for her children's deaths and on top of that, go to prison for it. Lose, lose situation.

RIP little ones.....

GM creekdog.

GM Creekdog and Scooter, and a Merry Christmas to you.

RIP children, it is a better place you go to.

Sad that such piss poor thought process go into some people's lack of parenting skills. If the mother has any conscience at all she will be devastated and haunted forever by her own guilty feelings. If she is just a gutter skank.....who knows if she will even care about anything other than the future parties she will miss.

I just want to make myself clear.

I just want to make myself clear. At 7 my daughter could servive. The average life span was only 18 at one time. I just don't know the way the real world is. But I do feel sorry for the kids. But I'll bet they'll better off. Sorry to get everyone p1ssed.

I don't think the mother should have gone out partying. But if you don't teach your kids to be smart in a tough world. You or they pay the price. I don't think the mother cared anyway. Have a good day.

i know Mary, figured you would catch a lot of flack for it tried to mve in quick but alas i was too late.

GM Tracy....Merry X-Mas

Mary what kind of drugs are you on? I don't ever want to go to a world where children are expected to survive instead of being raised by a parent.

Mary, no matter how "street savvy" a child may be at any given age, they're still children. Very few possess the ability to respond like an adult in case of an emergency, nor should they be expected to. Any number of terrible things could have happened to all 4 of those children, even absent the fire that killed the little boy and girl.

The result of the both of the mothers being selfish created 2 deaths and 2 [I'm sure] very traumatized children for no good reason at all. That's one helluva price those kids had to pay. As for the mothers here, well, the odds are great that jail won't teach them a thing. They'll serve some jail time, but as young as they are they'll both be out in time to have more kids. I shudder at the thought.

Illinois law defines a neglected minor, in part, as "any minor under the age of 14 years whose parent or other person responsible for the minor's welfare leaves the minor without supervision for an unreasonable period of time without regard for the mental or physical health, safety or welfare of that minor."
Juvenile Court Act, 705 ILCS 405/2-3(1)(d)

It's child abuse and neglect, period.

Maybe the 2 other children 7 and 4 yrs. old were the children of the aunt and she was charged for leaving them alone.

Children should NEVER be left alone to fend for themselves. This is ridiculous. Children are children. They need to be guided and protected by adults. Young ones don't have the experience or judgement to navigate the world. It is up to the people who bring them into this world to make sure they have that protection and guidance. Two babies died here. This is a clear case of parental neglect. What I want to know is why neighbors who KNEW these babies were alone didn't check in on them? I wont't go away overnight without making sure someone is here to take care of my Doberman. It is beyond my comprehension why or how anyone could justify leaving these precious babies alone for hours....

Poor babies - God bless

Bottom line, the mother and aunt were dead wrong. If they wanted to party, then be responsible and hired a babtsitter. But I guess they wanted to keep what would be charge fir proper babysitter for their pleasure only.

@Mary Jones-1616541, if you lived with someone, and you knew that adult was doing something so dangerous that it could cause death to a child, you have a legal obligation to intervene. Only if you intervened, and the person still did it, could you make the case that you should not be charged. People get charged for not acting in defense of a child all the time, with the most common case being a mother, who did not protect her child from a boyfriend, who beats the child.

If you sit by and watch a child be hurt, or endangered, expect to be charged.

@kevin No child was being hurt and who could have expected a fire. I don't think what the mother did was right. But if you can bend the law like your saying. Don't fart and expect not to get arrested. People should wake up.

Mary Jones - that is why they are being charged. You NEVER leave children alone. They will do the unexpected when LEAST expected. They could have found a babysitter then this would have not happened. But they were too cheap and wanted to have a good time. I hope they both rot in jail.

It sounds as if Mary Jones doesn't have a problem with little children babysitting younger ones. Of course you don't "expect" a fire, that's why you have adult supervision. You however would not be the adult I'd hire for that job.

Mary Jones-1616541

Although the age you may choose to leave an older child in charge, they should be at least the age of babysitter, 13-14 minimum. Seven is way to young to leave in charge, both adults left them in this situation by choice, it is negligence on both parties at the very least, child endangerment and negligent homicide should be on the table for both of them. Would you in good in good conscience leave your 7 year old nephew unattended while you went to a party. I remember some things I did wrong at seven, I knew they were wrong but I didn't understand why, nor did I understand the possible repercussions at that age. I look back and understand now, but I had no clue back then. Fortunately a good ass whipping was all that happened, I still remember that ass whipping to this day, not a good memory, I still didn't understand why it was so bad, but I never did it again. Yes the whipping I got was excessive and over the top and would never be tolerated now, nor should it be but that is another story.

@Mary Jones-1616541, sorry, but do you even think? The child may not be hurt by being left alone, but there is CLEARLY a potentially deadly danger. If you ignore that, expect to be charged. SIMPLE. Why don't you get that?

Tex, who are you to say what is NEVER to be done in the raising of someone elses child? I agree with Mary in that I don't think what these "mothers" did is right and the consequense of there being an accident while excercizing poor judgement was disasterous, but I do not think it up to you or me to immediately determine that they are criminals. Crimes are illegal, stupididity and accidents aren't, necessarily.

Silent - You would leave a seven year old in charge? NOT ME! This 'accident' should have NEVER happened. It could have been as easy as taking the kids to grandma's or some other ADULT in charge. Maybe even a neighbor but not being left to their own devices. Yes they are being determined as criminals as this is why they are being arrested and detained. I did not decide their fate - they did!

If the mother left the children alone and the aunt was with her, she should be charged equally. It seemed to me that the aunt was the mom of at least one of the children. It's the same thing if someone robs a store, while the other is the lookout and the storekeeper gets shot and killed. The lookout is equally guilty in the eyes of the law. These party girls need to suffer along with the children they were responsible for. Lock them up.

Mary, yes, just like another adult in a home where children were being physically abused could be prosecuted for failing to report the abuse. Regardless of whose children they were, if the aunt was complicit in their being left alone she is legally culpable.

@ sad day You could be right. I just think they should have said that. Thanks. Because at the mothers age I can't see you spitting them out that fast.

According to the local Chicago news stories, the 7 and 4-year old boys who survived are [quote] "believed to be" the children of the aunt, who is the sister of the mother of the two children who died. If the aunt thought one or both of her children were old enough to babysit for the younger ones, she's every bit as culpable as the mother is in this. So far those specifics haven't come out, so I'm only guessing here.

Unfortunately it isn't at all uncommon for young women that age to have children that age. Some people seem to believe that teen pregnancy is only a huge issue in the South, but the reality is much, much different; particularly in many large and densely populated cities all over the country. I'll stop there.

Those poor little babies. Victims of selfish, feral parenting.

I agree with you and wonder about the statistics of this problem. This was the time that something horrible happened. What about all the other young children who are left alone on a regular bases? They are not only accidents waiting to happen but, they are all victims of the I, ME and myself generation of parents that refuses to assume responsibility for themselves or their children.

I think a lot of the attitude has reached the point where it's been "handed down". The mothers were not much more than babies themselves when they had these babies; who knows how they themselves were brought up. [That certainly is not an excuse for their neglect, but ignorance plays a huge part in it.] Society feels for the babies; how could anyone not? They're innocent and they don't ask to be born. The problem is that the social programs we have in place aren't working; have another baby, get a little more money. No plans, no goals, no future... sigh. Personal responsibility doesn't enter into it, let alone the feeling of responsibility for the young lives they create. I'm not just referring to the mothers, either. It takes two to tango and two to make a baby.

I was just reading that Chicago is one of only a few states with actual legislation on the books regarding the age a minor child may be left alone, which is age 14. Most states have a "rule of thumb" of age 12, but presumably if nothing awful happens they can get away with it with a slap on the wrist or nothing at all. Amazing how something so important appears to be so overlooked.

Geesh, I can tell my coffee hadn't kicked in when I wrote #4.4... I know dang well Chicago is a city, and Illinois is a state, contrary to: "...Chicago is one of only a few states..." Bitten by multi-tasking and too little sleep. :)

Boreal Belle,Good comments.I can't help but wonder where the,grand parents or fathers of these children are? This was unavoidable.It's possible that these two girls did not have much of home life growing up.Either way they were old enough to know better.

in this case it killed.

Yes, because parties exist for the sole purpose of ending lives. Great logic.

first they would have to grow up.

Look at their ages. Clearly we're not dealing with "grown ups" here.

Dear 1011011. That would be a great idea in Nazi Germany. However, we are in the United States of America. Our rights are for every one.

That may be true, but a smaller and smaller number of people are paying for a larger and larger number of uneducated, uncaring, and lazy people to sit on their butts and receive "services."

Dear John C

I did start off by saying, "radical idea".

Carolyn-1500288

That may be true, but a smaller and smaller number of people are paying for a larger and larger number of uneducated, uncaring, and lazy people to sit on their butts and receive "services."

Maybe the solution is to quit paying for them to receive services. Once upon a time when charity was voluntary we could choose who we helped and weed out the undeserving. I wonder at times if this is not a form of social Darwinism. We are paying people to be weak and useless and that is what we are getting.

all four of em.......

Probably unknown.

You mean sperm donors?

same thing Janie

Just more proof that just because women CAN have children it doesn't mean they SHOULD.

Men who choose women like this don't care about their kids.

gotta make more somehow ya know.....

Dear Bill. What does this have to do with entitlements? How do you know these two were receiving any government assistance? There's nothing in the article that says that. Did you ever stop to ask yourself why you were so full of hate? Does all that hate make you feel better about yourself?

Oh please. Their names and where they live scream entitlement. What does it have to do with hate? Do you live in the real world?

How do you think it would be if they were to undo the Rowe vs Wade. More kids would die because of neglect. More kids would be in foster homes because they weren't wanted in the first place. The little boy may have been trying to cook, who knows, but when he saw a fire his first instinct was to get out. He probably didn't have the mindset to think of the other children. Those ho's wasn't thinking of anybody either, but the party. Probably wasn't the first time they left him in charge. I hope bond is NOT set for either one, and if it is, it needs to be in the millions so they can't get out.

It's even better if you can get some govt shrink to declare all 8 of your kids Developmentally Disabled (formerly referred to as retarded). A friend was a mail carrier and used to deliver the mail to a house where all 8 kids and the parents got a Social Security check.

This is a wonderful example of social engineering at its finest it is not about race, poverty or the age of the mothers. Comments made about those things are inaccurate. If being of African heritage made people bad parents compared to white people then Africa would be full of white people because the original inhabitants would have died off. The age of the mothers was actually for most of human history that of a respectable matron and yet we survived as a species. It isn't their educational level either because through most of history women could not read and yet we survived as a species. It isn't about poverty because as amazing as it might sound to some people here these women were living in what most of our ancestors would have considered comfortable circumstance. I will get fussed at for saying that but it is true. Take a look a historical living conditions of even the wealthy and you will see I am right and yet again we survived as a species. None of the excuses works because if the excuses given were realistic then the human race would be dead.

This is about poor choices made by shallow selfish people who are raised in a society where we are not expected to be responsible for the consequences of our actions. When this story first broke someone posted that it was everyone's fault when a child dies in a fire. Another person posted that it was a social ill because the mothers had to work and left the children alone because there were not enough services. The truth is the problem is the reverse. They were not working they were partying and honestly how many of us are actually suprised? The problem is the lack of personal responsibility condoned by our society.

Those women were "too poor" to buy a proper heater so they left 4 little kids alone with a hotplate as the only heat source in what was probably government housing which means an area too dangerous for an adult to be alone in many cases... do you know what a cheap space heater costs? Unless they went to that party in rags with no makeup and the fingernails God gave them instead of the fancy fake nails do not tell me they could not have afforded a space heater. It plugs into the same outlet as a hotplate and it is safe. You can get them for under $50.

Heat or no heat, mansion or tenement, black or white, young mother or one in her 40s, illiterate or a PHD in the end it doesn't matter because it is simple commonsense that you do not leave a group of children that age alone. It is time we stop making excuses for people.

I am tired of the stupidity and I guess in a way I do have to concede one point to the person in the last article's responses... we ARE all responsible. We are responsible because we are trying to make the world a perfect place full of good and decent people when that is just not possible. I feel so sorry for those children, not just in how they died but also in how they probably lived. The thing is I wonder how much good these social programs are really doing. We can save the individual products of our distorted society but are we just setting ourselves up for a bigger fall. Women who should not be raising children do so because we as a society foot the bill. Worse yet some see it as a career choice apparently. How many of these women would have children if they didn't know we would support them? How many would keep them if it wasn't a ticket to a free meal.

This is a case of us as a society getting exactly what we pay for and as long as there is no judgment placed upon behavior before money is handed out this is exactly what we will be getting. Religions have rules about morality for a reason and atheists I suppose have to believe in some version of Darwinism where beings evolved by being smarter and more capable than others. If I were a charity and had a choice I would not be giving money to women who go out and party leaving their children alone. I could and would demand some accounting for how my money is being spent. Unfortunately I am not a charity, I am a tax payer and I do not have a choice so my money (and yours) goes to perpetuate this idiocy which is being played out in many more homes where the children are "lucky" enough to survive but do not have decent childhoods. These women are not an aberration they are all too common. They just had the "bad luck" to have their selfishness cause two deaths. How many other children were left alone this month so their "mothers" could go out and party?

These poor children and their idiotic mothers and fathers are the product of our stupid gullibility

4kidsjackson

How do you think it would be if they were to undo the Rowe vs Wade. More kids would die because of neglect. More kids would be in foster homes because they weren't wanted in the first place. The little boy may have been trying to cook, who knows, but when he saw a fire his first instinct was to get out. He probably didn't have the mindset to think of the other children. Those ho's wasn't thinking of anybody either, but the party. Probably wasn't the first time they left him in charge. I hope bond is NOT set for either one, and if it is, it needs to be in the millions so they can't get out.

I agree with some of what you are saying but do you really think more abortions are the answer. These women (though I hate to call them that) probably DID want these kids. That is the sad part. They wanted the easy parts but not the responsibility, work or sacrifices of raising a child. Give them birth control they still got pregnant, provide access to abortions and they still had babies they were unwilling to care for, provide social welfare programs and they still went out partying and left their children to die needlessly. I hate to be a negative person but it seems to me we were better parents when the consequences of bad behavior were higher instead of now days. Our great social experiment is not working. These women were not rape victims - or at least they did not produce 4 children as the product of rape. Putting them in jail is not enough we need to quit paying people to have unwanted children they do not care for or love.

@ PJ-697731 BRAVO!!!! That was so well put.

No, it is called moral responsibility. We now live in a society, that if it feels good do it. Most of this all started back in the '60's with the Peace--Love--Sex and drugs life style, not necessarily in that order . Unfortunately, we passed it down to our children. Look at the trash Liberal Hollywood puts out if you want some answers. Our kids now have Vampires and Wear-wolves as their hero's and it is hard to find a movie without a steamy sex scene, or someone getting their head chopped off.

Anyone that tries to instill conservative values is either called a racist or a hate monger. We got what we paid for.

These babies were born to generate welfare payments. It's the culture. Nothing more.

Deep down, we all know the answer. I'll leave it at that.

Merry Christmas.

so would we correct in the assumption that you hate hate John?

( tap tap tap)

No, they were working on more welfare payments.

Mom and child only = Welfare with a Aunt age of 22 and a Child of age 7.At the age of 15 the aunt was pregnant... Dead Beat Dad flew the coop awhile back..Enjoy the New World Order...

same one perhaps?

Has anyone given it any thought that MAYBE the fathers didn't know about the pregnancy????

is that you takenada?