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Police on Sunday were searching for the person or people responsible for vandalizing Nativity scenes at a Catholic church and a home in a Southern California city.
Someone misspelled "Hail (sic) Hitler" and drew a Hitler mustache on the baby Jesus outside a home in Huntington Beach, police said.
They also put a Nazi symbol on one of the wise men with a black pen.
Homeowner Richard Candlish reported it to police and cleaned up the scene he said he spent a month putting up.
"It probably took less than 15 minutes for someone just to deface all of it," he said.
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The case followed another one in which similar scrawlings were found about three blocks away on a Nativity scene at Saint Bonaventure Catholic Parish.
Parishoners reported the vandalism to the police.
Parishoner Max Periolat, 10, said he was offended.
"Who would do such a thing?" he said. "If I saw them I would give them a whopper."
Police said they were investigating.
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Since they wrote "Hail HItler".....I would start by looking for a "Roman"
Well... Romans ARE known for their long history of Christian oppression.
Romanes eunt domus!
It might help him, maybe his ears might not look so big
Congratulations, OBAMA:America's Eva Peron - you're the 1st to post an ignorant political note. Have you considered getting some therapy?
The 2nd tragedy here is the pure ignorance of the illiterate..........
Gumps, consider getting a humor and maybe a side of personality.
People have to be ass holes don't they. Unbelievable. Lets find the vandals and rip all their hair out.
More than likely just some lone kid trying to outrage troll people, looks like he or she has succeeded unexpectedly well by neighborhood prank standards. I bet whoever did it never dreamed this would make it to the national news so that it could outrage tens of thousands.
Probably the people who did this just wanted to get in the News, The news media will always pick up a story like this.. I think a lot of the post in this story are Funny.. LOL
Another hate crime against Christians....funny that they couldn't spell....
I wish the guy had preferred to forgive rather than want to give them a "whopper", assuming he didn't mean a hug. It would have been more in line with what Jesus had been born to do.
Hahahaha! Oh no! Not baby jebus!
This @!$%# is hilarious! I hope they get away with it. Next year look to see this everywhere.
@!$%# the superstitious if they can't take a joke!
Would slashing your car tires in your driveway be a joke? After all - they're only on a Yugo.
Cheetah,
I guess the main difference is that you can't fix slashed tires with a rag and some alcohol. Slashing tires is actual damage.
The line about the Yugo is funny.
Yes please, I hope you are the one sneaking into my yard at night in rural TX.
I may be a liberal in many respects but you can ask the meth heads around here what my position on personal property and the 2nd Amendment are, they will tell you all about it.
I bought the tires on my truck with my own hard earned money. This xmas display was paid for with dirty church money that was taken(conned, stolen) from fools too damn stupid to realize that no man can tell them @!$%# about any god or the afterlife.
Yugo? Are there really still any of those piles out on the road? I've always been a Chevy man myself.
My wife drives a Volkswagon. Is Germany socialist enough for your joke to still be funny?
Although a stupid stunt, at least we know the kid was paying attention in history class. How many kids could pick Hitler out of a lineup? Most these days don't know the countries on a globe.
ya got that right robert
People have been drawing Hitler mustaches as a joke ever since WW2.Back then it was funny,now it's not.Some kid probably tought this would be funny,but obviously he did'nt understand the bigger picture.
This is just a sign that the Nazis have joined the "war on Christmas"... *rolls eyes* Fox News is going to have field day with this.
After reading livinginthewoods post its sad to see we still have bigoted, hateful people in this world.
Any kind of destruction, whether you agree or disagree with the message, is wrong. Especially if its on private property.
I don't hate the religious, I feel sorry for them.
It is the men standing behind the pulpits, thumping the bible, separating fools from their money and trying to influence our secular government that I hate. Hate with a passion!
A crime has been committed here and I hope they catch those who did it.
The bigger crime though, is religious bible thumpers who go against the United States Constitution and feel they have the right to force their beliefs into our secular laws.
Jo Ann, usually I would agree, but if I had a can of spray paint and access to the Westboro Baptist church van I would be tempted to write several messages.
Drakkonis, I am not a Christian (but then again neither are a lot of Christians) but I wholeheartedly agree with your post. One has to feel sorrow and regret for the perpetraitor of such a childish act.
I hope the man finds forgiveness in his heart, and I wish him merry Christmas.
So Living in the woods, do your insults toward Christians make you feel high and mighty? What are your beliefs, because the big bang theory is after all just a theory too, so are the rest of them. Lashing out at all other irrationally to make yourself feel better makes you just as equal of a hypocrite and just as intolerant. The fact you state that you hate makes you a prime suspect in any criminal activity that happens in the future, might wanna be careful there!
Merry Christmas, hopefully all can come back more tolerant and more friendly.
It's a good thing the vandal(s) didn't deface a picture of Mohammed. Jihad would be declared, the government would fall all over themselves apologizing, and there would be a ready made excuse for the next killings of our diplomats.
Morning Bill, Merry Christmas
Amazing how that works isn't it?
Tracy-ever heard of science? There is proof that man roamed the earth way before the "Garden of Eden", and I'm sure Noah had lots of fun keeping the lions from killing the zebras and humans on the arc. Don't hold your breath while waiting for "HIS" return.
As stupid and moronic as this graffiti is, thank heavens they make spray paint. It can be fixed. Some folks are attention-seeking whores, and they revel in this kind of cowardly, ill-begotten behavior.
I don't follow the Christian religion, but I'm certainly not going to vandalize someone else's property, religious images/icons and belief paraphernalia. Only backstabbing criminals do this.
How sad that such people can't get over themselves and their crutches that they call personality.
For others, I don't care what religion someone belongs to (or not!), that's their business. I don't force mine on others, and I expect the same back (and I say so). This is a matter of vandalism, and it's uncalled for.
So the magic marker guy got his christmas wish - notoriety in a big way.
Quite a boring report really. Spoon-fed the crummy drama by the media one could think everything is falling apart. I wonder why the media concentrates on the junk - oh, wait, I know, it's because dirty laundry sells the news.
There are many good items to report on during the holidays - how about reading about soup kitchens with neighborhood volunteers distributing cozy blankets and hot meals to families in need or in trouble this winter? Now that's noteworthy. We do much more good than not. It's time to focus on the positive. Or better yet get out and do some positive!
Cheers and wishes for a nice new year to all.
Lighten up people it was just a bart simpson style prank.
Thanks for proving my point "Seewhat I mean". Can't stand not to toss out an insult there could you. I am an engineer, practicing physical science every day. So to answer your question, yes, I have hear of science. Thanks for asking however, I am always ready to learn new things, unlike the less tolerant.
Who says carbon dating is correct, well, actually is is accepted to be accurate based on assumed timelines, but is it really? Who says the science is correct on many points? Those that believe the points in questions, that is who. If someone provides compelling evidence, then it becomes accepted until someone else provides compelling evidence to the contrary, which does happen quite often. If scientist become so stodgy that everything we believe currently is the only right way, then there will never be further progress in science at all. Everything is correct or incorrect based on our own observations and beliefs. Theory is just that, and while many things are accepted theory, they still aren't law.
My point is that all should be tolerant, you are not, I bid you peace and hope you can find tolerance in place of your hatred.
Merry Christmas
gm Tracy, Merry Christmas
And I'm sure you would feel exactly the same way if it was graffiti sprayed on your house.
Archeologists and historians have also claimed that the location of the Garden of Eden is at the northern most point of the Persian Gulf. Should we discount their research just because a group of scientist say so. What if they are wrong. Most discoveries by scientist are theories and hypotheses(educated guess or assumptions). Theories and hypotheses are not proven beyond a resonable doubt to be fact. So please do not try to pass a theory as fact and consider that the other side of the argument may have some validity.
well seeing as he/she/they didn't cover the mans house or church in spray paint don't really see that is the same thing. Don't get me wrong vandalism is not a good thing. But folks need to get their panties out of a wad and realize it was just a prank. Kids have been pulling pranks long before I was ever born and I highly doubt that it will stop anytime soon if ever.
well seeing as he/she/they didn't cover the mans house or church in spray paint don't really see that is the same thing. Don't get me wrong vandalism is not a good thing. But folks need to get their panties out of a wad and realize it was just a prank. Kids have been pulling pranks long before I was ever born and I highly doubt that it will stop anytime soon if ever.
I have hear of science? You really should proof read before hitting the send/post comment button. It's hard to believe that you are all those wonderful things when you can't type a simple sentence. Didn't even bother to read past that one sentence. Whatever-you don't pay my bills so you mean nothing to me.
Well was that before or after they claimed it was located in South America? Again. Someone guessing about something no one has ever seen. No proof. Nothing you can touch or see with the human eye. I won't be swayed. Where was Jesus when all those little kids (and employees of the school) were gunned down like christians in a muslim country??? MMMM, yeah do you have a anwer for that?
Well I'm sure Noah had a real hard time getting two of every dinosaur to load the arc without killing everything in sight.
SNK13, exactly!
LOL @ See what I mean, wow, one typo in my past 27 post. I will have to start having my P.A. proof all my post I guess. I see that instead of answering the questions I posed you simply and childishly lashed out instead. My apologies for hurting your sensitive little feelings, but fortunately you do assist me in adding to the list of examples of those who lash out instead of engaging in intelligent conversation.
Merry Christmas
Why isn't this hate speech? Because its against a Christian symbol?
It was a prank, plain and simple.
Save the self righteous indignation for the Fox News forums or chruch!
@See What I Mean. I could wow people all day with science experiments and big words, especially if they have no training or interest in science. But like I stated earlier, the so called proof of how old the earth is and where it all began is still being debated even between scientists. It is not proven beyond a shadow of a doubt to be true. Same can be said for intelligent design. Neither side has come up with the answer. Just so we are clear on where we stand, I am not a religious person, I am what they call a skeptic. I myself have not seen enough proof to accept either one as fact. Until then I will be open to both sides of the argument.
And by training I don't mean a degree or formal education, just knowledge of how science works. I for one have a degree in Computer Scicence but also study other fields such as history, philosophy, theology, and a bit of physics.
Wow- you can't add either?? Well gee I'm surprised. Questions? You were just rambling on and on. After several typos I couldn't stand to read the rest. (way more than one typo) I will not lower my standards to yours. I never said I hated anything? So you enjoy putting (words) things in people's mouths? How bout try some for yourself?
Snk-well I really appreciate the response. It was very tackfully stated. I can certainly agree with you on all levels of your thinking. But Tracy is another story. She claims to be what she is not. She doesn't have to try and prove anything to me! Her posts' are for others to read. I don't waste my time on people like her.
b dune-- it's not your fault but you're ignorant. The German phrase "Heil Hitler" translate into English as "Hail Hitler". The Romans spoke Latin. Keep your chin up! You're now less ignorant.
@Tracy-Thanks for proving my point?? Thats just it, you haven't made a valid point yet. Just rambling on responding to random people. Just calmly walk to the mailbox I'm sure your government check is just running a little late.
Hi bill, Tracy.. Merry Christmas!
@livinginthewoods -
What a hypocrite you are. It's funny for someone to vandalize private property as long as it's not yours, huh? But, oh, the outrage, if they come on to your property to do anything!
Here's a clue to the self-centered trolls... it doesn't matter if it's done with a knife to tires or with a magic marker to cardboard... if someone comes on your property and messes with something that belongs to YOU... it's nothing laughable.
ROTFLMAO!!!!
Obviously this is the ignorance of the limp-wristed secularist Liberal/Progressive cabal. These useful idiots are so frustrated with their inability to succeed in life they have to vandalize other people’s property.
Of course the illiterate unwashed masses that believe in Progressivisms failed concept of social and economic justice will find some dysfunctional way of condoning this. This is what happens when we allow the government to educate our children, we end up with directionless, confused, embarrassing lemmings that believe everything the lamestream media and criminal government tell them.
Our Nativity scene has been up for over 20 years and no one has touched it. Last year we had one of our poor little lost Liberals actually come by and help us put it up. He and his family have recently joined our church. The congregation was thrilled. It’s great to see there still is hope for the many lost souls aimlessly wandering this planet without direction. Most are seeing the light and accepting what everyone believes in, Faith.
Merry Christmas and may God Bless all of our great Republic.
JimSpence,
"Of course the illiterate unwashed masses that believe in Progressivisms failed concept of social and economic justice will find some dysfunctional way of condoning this. This is what happens when we allow the government to educate our children, we end up with directionless, confused, embarrassing lemmings that believe everything the lamestream media and criminal government tell them."
Gee! Judging from the way what you have written reads, it looks like someone has painted a Hitler mustache on you. Your post reflects pure, aristocratic, Nazi thinking. The Master Race versus the "unwashed masses".
JimSpence, like a typical right winger, makes an assumption of the political leanings of some vandal(s) without any factual basis.
Merry Christmas, Scooter!
Maybe livinginthewoods will remove himself from the human gene pool... there's hope for change.
Ahhh yes, a local story that has no business having national coverage.. So why do it? To work people up and judging by the comments a lot of you have taken the bait..
Sad that we somehow feel the need to denigrate those who believe differently than we do. Where is the tolerance and inclusion we voted for in the civil rithts acts and other associated laws?
Christians don't care about plastic items, Jesus is in our hearts, not on someones lawn. MERRY CHRISTMAS EVERYONE................
"HAIL Hitler"? Oh, the jokes just write themselves. HA! :-)
Gives one a fair taste for the intellect of the vandal, doesn't it. Actually, we can place ALL of them in that same intellectual category, by definition. In an ideal world he would be tried for his vandalism before a jury of elementary school English teachers.
Peace on Earth, good will toward men.
SeeWhatIMean, classic early period internet trolling you really should be ashamed at your lack of credible talent. Everyone playing the troll game knows at least two things; if you point out typoes as a means to defame another then you are weak and grasping at the easiest element in a post as you cannot refute any other part or in any other credible fashion, as well if you resort to using phrases such as, "I don't bother with [name]'s posts after slamming that individual in prior posts it shows that person actually does cause great stirring in you. Good on you at least for putting the pie on your own face.
JimSpence,
Invective is something you should study, spewing forth attempts at invective only show you have no grasp in continuance of insult of a weighty nature. To wit, dog shyte still stinks even if it is only one hand full, your impeteously large pile of mouth filth just prooves you are angry and had some practice at abusing others without clear understanding of the language you use. If you wish to drag the idea of unwashed into this, do try to remember that is was the conservitive catholic church that worked so hard to convince peasants not to bath and that historical facts can show you prior to christianity in the Roman process barbarians and wild men bathed daily both for cleanliness and pleasure.
People have also assumed the person or persons involved where young, if I failed to see where the article stated they actually had the people in custody and thus everyone else knows their exact age then that is more people jumping to conclusion, with the article ending with the issue still being under investigation I do think basing judgements now to be divinely ignorant which is buisness as usual for the majority of people these days. I will refrain from making a judgement on the why people and which people until I can see clear and evident facts.
As to the defacing, it may have been an idle prank or just another indicator that this country is being well set for the impending collapse. Either or, it matters little to me as a humble servant of the country. However, malice upon individuals errantly conducted (I see no where evidence that the man whose property and the curch that was defaced are connected though they possibly could be turning this into more of a private attack) and against any holy place (I have no religion as all religions have their merit to those who desire or need of them and thus should be respected) is and are acts that all people should band together to shun. I seel no assistance or even agreeances as I am well aware, as is everyone else when they set their thoughts to it, that only what the individual wants the individual will fight lie and scheme to obtain.
Drakkonis...he is TEN years old!...
how many deaths will result from this disrespectful and disgusting act? as many as when someone does a similar thing to muhammed?
Do nativity scenes have special legal protections that anything else you may erect outside do not? Or is this simple, misdemeanor vandalism, just like everything else?
I'm not saying it's right, but nativity scenes have become somewhat controversial in recent years. There is now a good chance a display may elicit a "response" from one or more folks out in your community. Maybe we should put armed cops at all nativity scenes. We better ask the NRA if that's o.k. with them...We sure don't want to offend the NRA - the original, genuine protectors of All Great American Values.
Tracy & snk13, may interject a bit of what I have a handle on in my erudition of the Earth's foundation. The Earth was formed with existing materials and elements under the gaurdianship of our Lord, and not generated out of thin air. So dating materials can be immaterial and a mute point.
Merry Christmas you two... I have valued your sagacious comments today.
Good thig they put the "Hail Hitler" and swastika on the thing or we might be looking for a Charlie Chaplin groupie.
HB is a meca for skin heads here in So. Cal. but I would be willing to bet they didn't do it. Instead it was more likely the work of some atheist douche-bag who can't stand any type of religious symbol whether it be on public or private property. I guess it is ok to be intolerant if it fits the ideals of the so called progressives.
aquatone -- so you are ok with defacing private property? wonder how you'd react to a bit of "keying" of a car in your driveway? would that also be just simple misdemeanor vandalism?
Aquatone,
Why is it a hate crime to put a swastika on the personal property of a black church, gaybar or any other progressive entity but in your mind it isn't in this case? This is obviously a sign of hate and should be treated as such.
OBAMA:America's Eva Peron wrote:
Pick up a good book on psychology and read about "fixation" as symptomatic within obsessive compulsive disorder.
There is just something about each and every one of your Newsvine posts which telegraphs in advance your present, all-consuming fixation, even before we get to the actual text of your comments which merely confirm the suspicion. What could it be, ...what could it be?
I'm just sayin' ....
EXCELLENT OAEP (1-71).... ...you may have a whole batch of cookies........
Bout? Lol! Way to go, hypocrite.
Drakkonis said:
It says he was 10. I think you can cut him some slack.
Hey Livinginthewoods, if I drew a big Stalin-Mustache on FDR, would you consider it a "prank"?
People fighting (and killing) on Christmas eve - proves it's really just another day.
Defacing an inanimate object - oh, the horror of it all. Gawd, my old neighborhood would have all been hung for throwing snowballs at cars.
This is why God invented backyards - you put the fancy stuff out front and you are just inviting vandals...just like posting on a forum invites attacks...lol.
Can you get a Whopper on Christmas eve? That sound really good right now, sure beats that menudo my ex in-laws served at Christmas.
Baby Jesus is like 2040 years old - he probably just got tired of the full beard look.
Anybody check Baby Jesus' diaper - I smell something bad in that manger.
I heard a talking snake verified their claim upon arrival.
Trying to locate the Garden of Eden is like trying to locate the island of Atlantis. They both existed only in the imagination of the authors of the books they are mentioned in, i.e. Moses and Plato, respectively.
If Tracy were actually a scientist or engineer (who have to study physics) she would know that there is a BIG difference between a Scientific Theory and the "normal" type of theory such as a legal theory. A scientific theory is what is the RESULT of forming a hypothesis (which is the garden-variety THEORY) and setting up TESTING which then leads to a scientific THEORY.
But again, if Tracy were actually who she says she is she would already know this. Therefore, her blatherings reveal her statement of profession to be untruthful.
This story must bring a smile to a liberal's face, especially this time of year!
Now we'll be getting those critical comments from the left, that the Christmas season over emphasizes Christianity and doensn't show enough respect to Islam or atheism!
The Nazi regime was a far-RIGHT movement. Flunk history much?
To Mark from Lake Tahoe, I am a non-Christian with liberal leanings and I'm not smiling.
Marky, you sure live in one strange and bizarre world! And I would bet all those voices in your head are in complete agreement with you, but nobody else is.
Mark from Lake Tahoe, you and some other conservatives need to get over stereotyping liberals. Life isn't a black and white as you'd like to make it out to be. I'm a liberal, I'm annoyed by vandalism of any kind, and I'm offended when pea brained morons deface beloved religious symbols.
I'm a liberal, and I'm not smiling either. Primarily because I'm hung over.
How about the fact that this is one of very few instances where a christian holiday display is vandalized while there are numerous atheist holiday displays that are routinely vandalized? Our billboards are defaced, banners are stolen, torn down. Sometimes even in plain view on video.
http://ffrf.org/news/news-releases/item/16390-ffrf-solstice-banner-missing-in-michigan
http://unitedcor.org/blue-ridge/news/vandals-deface-one-roanokes-godless-billboards
http://wnep.com/2012/12/20/man-cuts-down-banner-protesting-religious-decorations/
Yes, vandalism is bad in any case. But the fact that this one case gets more national coverage than the numerous atheist cases, only emphasizes the privileged Christians still enjoy in this country, or the persecution complex they have.
Your talking about something that was probably done by one kid of about 9-13 years old who was purposely trying to outrage troll people.
It would appear he/she succeeded, at least enough to make you start coming up with straw-man arguments about "liberals" and putting them down for things that only exist in your own head. Not everything that happens in this world is connected to politics or involves a "liberal" conspiracy of some kind. Get a grip.
ausaudor,
it's obvious that your post is a thinly veiled treatise on Soviet collectivism in the 1930's.
While I disagree with your overall stance on Stalinist policies, your point about agricultural exports is worth further pursuit.
There are no words to describe how stupid this is other than HAHAHAHAHAHA
atheist HOLY DAY displays, what will idiots come up with next
As a non-Christian, social liberal I am not smiling at this vandalism. Regardless of who did it, it shows an appalling lack of respect given to a holiday display.
obama promised to be a unifer, but he's doing just the opposite! This country is more divided today than it has ever been! And increased attacks on Christians is just one example! I am not very religious, mostly agnostic, but it doesn't bother me to see Christlmas Trees in public places, or nativity scenes either.... why is this such an irritant to atheists, and why do they get government support to remove Christian symbols during this time?
I don't know if I would describe myself as a liberal but, this story did make me smile!
MerryTittie@!$%#ingChristmas!
Sally,
Please stop. Kids have been vandalizing forever. And they didn't do it because of the President.
Also, I am an atheist, and I have the most beautiful Christmas tree. Why not? They are pretty.
Your extreme generalizations are nothing more than extreme generalizations.
Merry Christmas.
@Sally Rocks -
First - Obama has nothing to do with this.
Second - The only irritation to atheists occurs when Christians try to use a public space for their displays to the exclusion of all other displays. We only demand equal access to those public spaces - either through a forum where various ideas have freedom to be expressed, or not allowing access to anyone. Funny thing is, when atheists use our right to display our stuff, Christians are among the first to try to have ours removed.
@cbrown. There is no way to compare the Nazi far right to what we call the far right.You can't take 2 complete different forms of government and expect to find clear cut similarities.The Communist had a far left right and moderate side of their party too.It does'nt imply that they thought the same as us.
I am obviously an atheist and I am looking at a christmas tree here in my own living room. Of course there is no damn nativity scene under it. Christianiacs stole xmas from the pagans to begin with. As far as I am concerned christmas is an American holiday more than a religious holiday.
I'm not fighting a war on christmas, I'm fighting a war for christmas!
To all the holy rollers who think they own the day, "You Didn't Build That"!!!!
Elentir,
With all due repsect, I think you're a bit militant in your atheism. I'm an atheist, and I really don't care what any community displays in their public places.
You almost sound as though you want atheism to be a recognized religion unto itself, and it very simply isn't. It's the absence of.
You're fighting on principal. There's nothing to be gained. Hold the forums at your house. Let the communities have their displays.
btone,
That sounds nice and all but, I can't help but notice that the christian leaders are instigating a war between those that think this is a christian country and the rest of us. We didn't start the @!$%# but we are part of it. Why be complacent?
@btone
How is demanding equal access being militant? Are Christians being militant when they post their holiday displays? Are Jews being militant when they display a menorah? If you don't want to exercise your rights, that is fine. But don't criticize others for choosing to exercise our rights.
And where did I state that communities couldn't have their displays? I simply stated that they can't have their displays to the exclusion of everyone else. Atheists have as much right to display holiday messages as religious people do. You don't have to be religious to have an opinion or a message. And government has no right to give preference to one group's message over another.
Living,
I guess it depends on what you mean by complacent. I believe we must do all we can to stop any and all religions from infiltrating our politics. Politicians who are overtly religious need to be voted out or voted down. In that regard, we have to fight like hell.
When it comes to holidays, do you really care if there's an atheism display?
You make a good point. I couldn't care less if there is an atheist christmas display or not and as long as the nativity scene is on private property, I have no problem with it.
To tell the truth, this whole article reminds me of times when one of my kids does soemthing stupid that I have to punish them for but, at the same time, am very proud of when they are out of ear shot.
Like when some dumb rednecks kid told my youngest that girls should not wear boots, she punched him in the @!$%#ing gut and brought him to his knees. I had to ground her but, I was telling that story to my buddies for a couple of years with a glint of pride in my eyes!
Elentir,
I just think that a group of people (who by their own definition don't believe in God and therefore have no religion) fighting for the right to display during the Holidays (which exist purely for religious reasons), is a bit hypocritical.
It appears that you are trying to prove a point. And, to me, it seems militant.
Living,
That's funny. Sounds like you've raised quite a girl. Take care.
Mark, I know quite a few Christian liberals, it is the atheists who mock religion and are fighting to remove Christian icons from public places... they are indeed liberal, and I suspect they have support for some Christian liberals.
@btone
The fact that people think that the holidays exist for purely religious reasons is one of the main reasons I am on here challenging that perception. They don't.
I celebrate Christmas in a purely non-religious aspect. It is a time for me to celebrate friends and family and reflect over the past year.
To suggest that we can't have a message to say to others when they are out espousing their beliefs to everyone else, that seems hypocritical to me.
Militant is the act of active aggression or combativeness. Simply proving a point or expressing one's opinions isn't being militant. Stop trying to make what we're doing equate to that of militant Christians, Muslims, anti-abortionists, anti-gays, animal rights activists or others who actually use violence to advance their causes.
That said, why is the act of atheists putting out a message on the holidays 'proving a point' while it isn't for anyone else?
What do atheist holidays celebrate, and on what dates are they celebrated?
Sally, yes obama has divided the country, but no.. he would never support those who vandalize religious icons, any religion's icons! However I still am not completely certain what religion he truly follows, despite the fact that his wife has bragges about the 50 plus Christmas Trees they have in the White House this year.... that seems a little like they're trying too hard to show their Christianity... a little guilty maybe?
The real story here is that this is no story, vandal have always been around and frequently target religious icons. I think NBCNews posted this story to stir up a little s$it between opposing factions (created in part by o'bama) and they seem to have succeeded!
Elentir,
The Holidays at this time of year exist for purely religious reasons (yes, they morphed from pagan celebrations, etc.). That can't be denied.
How you celebrate them is up to you. If you have non-religious holidays at this time of year, that's wonderful.
The displays for Christmas, Hannukah, Kwanzaa are there to celebrate something. Something that atheists don't, by their nature, believe in.
An atheist display, it seems to me, would exist just to make sure that everyone knows we're out there. For a non-religious group to shoehorn ourselves into a public display that is being used to express actual religious messages and celebrate actual religious themes seems hypocritcal.
I believe it's proving a point moreso than trying to deliver the traditional atheist holiday message.
Anyway, it's just my opinion.
Have a safe and Happy Holiday season.
@denver bill 2
I celebrate Christmas, MLK day, St. Patty's Day, Cinco de Mayo, Memorial Day, New Years Day, Festivus, Thanksgiving, Halloween, Independence Day, Pi Day, Veterans Day, Summer/Winter Solstice, Mardi Gras and probably a few others I'm forgetting about right now. I usually celebrate them at the same time others do. As for what I celebrate at each one, it varies, but it usually involves celebrating friends and family or remembering those who are no longer with us.
The great thing about our country is that everyone is free to celebrate each day as they wish for whatever reason they choose (following the laws of course).
@btone
You too! Happy holidays!
Are you a government employee?
@denver bill 2
No, why? Are you?
Congratulations on making the dumbest post yet. You should get out of the woods and travel once in a while. It may help with that dense cranium you carry around. Lol!
"Who would do such a thing?" he said. "If I saw them I would give them a whopper."
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Ha, I was thinking the same thing.
That friggin cat is bad.LMAO
Yeah with that lame statement I'm sure that kid gets bullied at school, what a jerk. But if he is attending a Catholic church I guess I could feel sorry for him, he is probably being raped on a regular basis.
Bill-857242
It's the same drivel ALL the time from Obama Americas Eva Peron. Same dumb crap everyday. It does get very old
What in the world has La Raza have to do with anything?
There are some things that you do not do! -- this is one of them.! No doubt kids, who have no understanding, at all, of history, and no modicum of respect for others!
To the person/people/kids who did this, you are probably thrilled that your sick prank made the news and are probably following the comments. Well let me inform you, because you obviously don't know, that Hitler was an incredibly evil man. A man who ordered the killing and torture of millions of people. To deface a nativity scene with symbols of this evil is beyound the pale. I hope that after reading this you have some measure of understanding, and are not still giggling with your "peers."
Shame on you! -- Shame on you!
Maybe he's trying to give the vandal a heart attack--or at least a high cholesterol count...
Oh, the Whomanity!... :)
Hilarious.
Actually, I thought it was kind of funny, although I am sure it was not at all funny to the owners of the creche. It was a typical kid stunt. Drawing Hitler mustaches on things was popular with the less imaginative kids when I was in high school. But their misspelling of the word "Heil" as "hail" was really not too far off, since I think the English word "hail" and the German word "heil" are cognates, both meaning "to greet". The English word "hail" was spelled "heil" in Old English.
MMMM. So maybe it was a grown up and not an uneducated youth.
And maybe, just maybe, it was a Charlie Chaplin mustache! Wouldn't that be funny!?
I like to think that Jesus had (has) a sense of humor.
HaHaHaHA....yea so funny. When(not IF) these vandals and the people who support the actions of vandalism of the nativity scenes and somebodies personal property, get a terrible disease or suffer a horrific personal tragediy and they say," Why me GOD?" And then try to get empathy from you people, I hope they have a sense of humor?!!
Quite a few years ago some youths took a Santa Claus from the Sheriff's yard (yes the Sheriff) and put it on the roof of the Jehova Witness Hall. I thought it was a harmless prank but the cops called it a hate crime and wanted to get the state crime lab involved. Luckily no one was ever caught.
DT7970,
"Quite a few years ago some youths took a Santa Claus from the Sheriff's yard (yes the Sheriff) and put it on the roof of the Jehova Witness Hall."
That's a funny one, too, since Jehovah's Witnesses don't believe in celebrating Christmas, something I'm sure the perpetrator of this "crime" was aware of. I doubt that Jehovah's Witnesses would get too angry, though. They are a pretty mild bunch of people. They probably got a good laugh out of it, too.
@SWIM, Eric, Mickey, DT9790
Why is it a harmless prank? Just for the reason that your personal feelings were not involved? And what do you consider a prank? Anything that doesn't involve destruction your property, and insults your feelings and beliefs? I am sure if someone destroyed something you fell connected too, you would not be so dismissive?!
So glad you can have a sense of humor, for I am sure terrible things happen to yourselves on a regular basis. Don't forget to be forgiving and laugh when these many, many acts of insults on your personal property, beleifs, and your personal feelings are perpetrated. Thus, when your are seeking retrobution, and justice, just recall your current post's for reference.
What is this World coming to ?? Scribbling a Hitler moostache on the Baby BuhJeebus ??
Well... if THAT'S your sense of humor & justice, then please enjoy this YourTube clip of something rather goofy:
Huge Ceramic Statue Crashes A Catholic Party
and this one, too:
Little girl sings as if no one's listening!
DancingSpiderman,
Thanks for the links. They're great!
RobGC,
Lighten up! Putting a Santa Claus statue on the roof of a Kingdom Hall is not destroying anyone's property, and as I've said, I'm sure the Jehovah's Witnesses got a good laugh out of it, too. They're not bad people.
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thats 1 only 25 more to go, then you start putting them together...gotta start somewhere.
gm Tramp
I've told you before: "Don't tap on the aquarium, it annoys the fish."
I approve of hedward's avitar!
While this may not necessarily have been on the mind of the vandal, I appreciate the social commentary it seems to suggest: that the seemingly innocuous manger scene is a microcosm of the totality of the Christian religion which, whenever it has wielded imperial, political, or social power throughout its history, has far more resembled Nazism than it has resembled the carefully crafted image of the New Testament Jesus figure which this stable-born babe was to become.
And while I don't condone vandalism, I'm certainly LMAO on this one and would much rather see the police spending their time tracking down pedophile priests than the perpetrators of a couple petty, and ultimately unimportant vandalisms.
Big corporations have historically abused and wielded political and social power too, but ten to one you'd sob and whine about vandalism if someone painted a Hitler mustache on your ipad.
See it for what it is, a hate crime against a religion. Desecrating religious images is hate vandalism 101. Should everyone that dislikes a given religion, goes to their house of worship and vandalises their stuff be considered just petty vandals?
@Nikolaus20: Ummm, no. I've no love for big corporations, so I wouldn't shed a tear. And no big corporation ever claimed moral authority and then consolidated that authority at the point of a sword. Apples and oranges, little one.
@JAVE: Hate crime against a religion? You don't think that's a gross overreaction? If I were a Muslim, I would find the passage of ridiculous laws like Nebraska's outlawing Sharia law -- a complete non-issue -- nearer to a hate crime against a religion than a simple flipping of the bird to a local institution; yet you wouldn't consider what Nebraska did a hate crime, would you?
or it could just be a shortage of tin foil hats ....
@Danny McNeal - Nebraska to outlaw Sharia law isn't a bad thing since many of the laws dont' agree with ours. People should move here and expect us to change our ways for them? If they dont' like out laws, they can go back to their Muslim countries and practice they laws of hatred there.
I'll run with your example of the Muslims. If vandals painted up religious articles at a Mosque and vandalized a Ramadan display on a person's lawn, would it be considered only petty vandalism? What if they didn't damage anything, but only stuck a pig's head on the lawn next to the Ramadan display?
Messing up houses of worship and community members religious displays is not a mere prank. Even if you don't like them.
Per Nebraska. I think the anti-Sharia law was useless. Even in a place like Nebraska, vandalizing religious stuff at a Mosque or in a Muslim's front yard will get you a hate crime charge.
This isn't happening, Silky J. Muslims in America are not trying to implement Sharia law. There isn't a single example of it happening. In the face of that fact, the shameful actions of Nebraska's legislature are a clear example of hateful bigotry meant to intimidate. My point stands.
That was NOT my example, Jave. You're putting words in my mouth and you missed the point. There is every indication that this is mere petty vandalism, a mere prank and nothing more, not a hate crime. Just because insecure religionists with persecution complexes may, as a knee-jerk reaction, feel persecuted by a given act does not automatically make that act a hate crime. My point stands: to assume this to be a hate crime is a gross overreaction. While the cops may yet find the perpetrators and turn up specific evidence which points to a motivation in line with it being a hate crime, chances are it was just some kids doing what kids do---lashing out blindly at authority, lacking adult impulse control, trying to one-up each other and impress their friends. I suppose if some kids painted a Hitler mustache on a garden gnome, you'd assume it was a hate crime against nature-worshipping Pagans who believe in gnomes and faeries.
Great point of view. Funny as hell-yes.
Shouldn't the Jews be more upset by this than the "Christians"? Really.
Does anyone remember this summer when a story broke the news about someone leaving raw bacon at a park where muslims had gathered for some wacko religious function? The replies were so funny that I couldve peed by pants. It does come with some humor.
Drawing swaskikas on religious displays is not a classic hate crime?
No, I wouldn't if it was a garden gnome. If the vandal went to the Pagan house of worship, painted a Hitler stash and swastikas on the holy gnome then @!$%#ed up the neighborhood Pagan's holy gnome display on their front yard, I would see it differently.
You're right. I'm pretty sure it wasn't on the mind of the vandal. When I was ten I'd draw mustaches on all sorts of things. I'm sure the ten year old culturally and politically insensitive part of me might have even thought a hitler mustache might have been funny. News flash- children are jerks.
No, drawing (what may have been) a swastika on a manger wise man and a Hitler mustache on the kid in the cradle is not automatically a hate crime. Do you honestly believe that any court in the country would rule this a hate crime based on this alone? This is exactly my point---a knee-jerk reaction due to a persecution complex. Any lawyer will tell you that whether an action is a hate crime depends upon the state of mind of the perpetrator. You don't know that state of mind, only the end result of the action itself. All you know is that an act of vandalism has occurred. You're making the rest up---assuming guilt until innocence is proven. We live in a country with a dismal public school system, and you think you can automatically ascribe to the perpetrator (probably a kid) a coherent understanding of these symbols in a historical context such that using them in the commission of a hate crime would even be possible for him? FACT: You do not have enough information to call this a hate crime. If you think you do, then you don't know what a hate crime is.
I guess your right. Boys will be boys. It's not a big deal. PS- I doubt this was commited by a ten year old.
Read the laws. many people don't perceive hate crimes as bad when they take place against those you hate. Few really give a crap about those people. The concept that a perpertrator of a hate crime has to be so well versed on...
an action is a hate crime depends upon the state of mind of the perpetrator. You don't know that state of mind, only the end result of the action itself. All you know is that an act of vandalism has occurred. You're making the rest up---assuming guilt until innocence is proven. We live in a country with a dismal public school system, and you think you can automatically ascribe to the perpetrator (probably a kid) a coherent understanding of these symbols in a historical context such that using them in the commission of a hate crime would even be possible for him?
You walk a devil's road justifying this.
I might not agree, but I can understand why a community's youth hold these beliefs.
It is a small difference to kicking the guy's ass when he comes out of his house.
That so many justify this is really @!$%#ed up.
"It's just 10 year kids doing pranks" No it's not.
See it for what it is.
jave
dial 1 for english...or lay off the eggnog.
Relax, we all know there are things a community considers boys will be boys. I didn't ask you to feel doing this stuff was bad.
feel bad?. oh hell no, its lib huntin time got my beer to kill a few brain cells and get to the lib level...tinfoil hat strapped on tight .... heck i may just join em tonight and make up facts as i go..
for instance did you know,,",Liberal" spelled backwards spells ' welcome to America you poor people...yet in if you spell conservitive backwards it spells..get the @!$%# out you towel headed no good foreign piece of pig dung and the same goes for all you undocumented illegals . ......go figure,,,,who knew?.....
As if the holidays aren't dark enough this year, what with the murdered children, greedy government shills, and now even something as simple and harmless as a Creche, and they have to insult and defile that too. cool thing about Christianity is that we love our enemies, and forgive those who viciously and despitefully use us.
If somebody pulled a stunt like that in Iran, what do you suppose the authorities would do to them? Guess Christianity is the only religion left on earth that can be freely ridiculed and disrespected. Makes me proud to be a Christian, and On pain of death I will NOT repent my faith.
Romans 10:9-10
King James Version (KJV)
9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
Merry Christmas to all, and may GOD bless you and all your loved ones.
So you believe in fairy tales. Good for you.
Merry Christmas to you too, James.
Merry Christmas to all, even the vandals!
Wondered why you got collasped?
Some may regard a blind devotion to ignorance to be a form of death.
R.I.P., Gumps.
Irish Setters ? Is that what you've got?
Those dogs are dumb as shiit.
tsk tsk tsk wheres.....funny mind ya, but ...tsk tsk tsk.....
and drink me.....but again tsk tsk
Welcome America! Welcome, America, to Obama's cesspool. All we can do now is look back at our America as we knew it years and years ago. We can look back at our America as the Shining City on the hill that once existed, but does no more. America will become the legend, kind of like Camelot. Tales will be written about America, and movies will be made. Songs will be sung, and future generations will wistfully gaze up to the heavens as they privately, and secretly, muse about how wonderful such a place as America must have been. It is a Camelot story, and at the same time, a Planet of the Apes tale. Our grandchildren will read that........ for one brief moment, there was a place called Camelot / America!!
Farewell America. God bless the land that I once loved. Good bye, America. Good bye.
My, my, drama queen much? Yes, that's right, Chicken Little---the sky is falling on your head and Obama is out to get you. If you live with this much irrational fear, and especially if you're a member of the NRA, then please, please, please stay on your meds.
The America you describe never existed except for a group of white people. Slavery, women who were not able to vote and Jim Crow laws that existed until just a few years ago. Recent wars that killed over a 100,000 innocent people. Study the real history of this country and you will realize we don't have that much to be proud of.
Farewell to you too! Are you leaving?
You're right of course, America was a beacon of hope and freedom until the Republican right winger morons came into power. The religious morons in America simply ruin all the freedoms we use to enjoy they constantly attempt to cut those freedoms and to even write bigotry into our beloved constitution. I don't know what President Obama has to do with any of this since he was the one who took America back from the brink caused by these right wing morons. They almost bankrupted the United States, thank goodness for President Obama. You cannot have a free society that enjoys freedoms the way we do if you inject religion into the mix, they contradict each other and if it were me who was to choose which we should have I would hands down pick FREEDOM over religious cults any day.
HAHAHAHAHAHA! That is even funnier that the whole hitlerchrist thing!
Do you have another one? I love comedy!
I would also really love to hear you spell out your "Planet of the Apes" theory for America.
America does have a horrible history. It is shameful. But we are here now in 2012. Be happy and proud
SNAPPA,
"You cannot have a free society that enjoys freedoms the way we do if you inject religion into the mix, they contradict each other and if it were me who was to choose which we should have I would hands down pick FREEDOM over religious cults any day."
While I agree with much of what you say, I would just have to ask, "How free is a society that does not tolerate religion"? It seems to me that a society that is truly free is free for everyone, including those who are religious as well as those who are not.
To the white, liberal mind the white race is the root of all evil. That's where the expression "liberal guilt" comes from. It's a classic case of self-hatred.
Eva from your ignorant posts, it is no surprise you did not pay attention in school. I knew that slaves were btought to many countries in the new world. It is also well known that unlike other countries, our slave population was self sustaining and not in need of importing at a rate others did. But none of this is an excuse for Americas "peculiar institution". We also continued the practice of slavery long after most countrues of the new world outlawed it.
Take your ignorance and thinly vieled racism and post on some KKK site. I would say go post on fox news , but your stupidity would probably be ignored there as well.
Eva, what's you point? Trying to justify slavery? Golly, we were more humane in our treatment of slaves - so friggin what?
Someone perhaps spent a little too much time with the bottle? Camelot? Kings? Wrong country and poor tag on legend system. The Fall of Athens is more fitting yet that would also require more study and less time watching whatever is popular on televison. America has yet to enter her own Golden Age. The America that was, once long ago? Firstly, you wouldn't know about that place yourself unless you are 250 years old so you are talking out of politically designed history books and thus fairly moot by your own short time education. You should have studied longer, like now, still and tomorrow. However, to digress, America is still an infant in the long proccesions of History and only a selfish ignorant fool would give up on a child before it could grow and become something and only a thrice deeper fool would expect the child to grow up to be what the parent (or selfish american) wants it to be. America has Her own Destiny and She does not admire weak short term fools telling her she is already all used up because they can't get out of their own arse's way. Everyone seems to be ready to give up on America just because she is having Her wonderful puberty stage getting on, what a bunch of selfish cowering fools we have become as a Nation.
Lets hope and here is to being hopeful for a future where all the spoiled rats are drowned down with the ship of commen complacency and selfish shallow capitolist desires. You can all see I imagine that our goverment has already decided the only way to fix the mess is to shatter the vase and then get back to work again, I hope their goal comes soon enough for me to at least play the curious witness.
uh jeff 10.12
....look at your own avatar before calling anyone else names. or are all elephant's racist's as the morons would have you believe.....can you bleat obaaammmma while you follow your fellow lemmings?
R.I.P., Gumps.
I was going to say I hope they find the kids that did this, but it was probably an adult with the maturity of a 6 year old. Charge this @$$ with a hate crime, if they actually find out who did this.
yep ..assign a task force to bring em down, its Ca. they have lots of money.And this being a mojor crime and all, pull out the stops...track him down and string him up by god.
I think we need to ban black pens since obviously black pens caused the problem (using gun control logic). Kidding aside...why don't we ban hatred and intolerance?
Because the liberals will define the legally sanctioned objects of "hatred and intolerance" around ANY depraved thing that's currently popular for them, as a way to control speech and thought and to gain power. Self-identifying groups and behaviors will have civil rights protections intended for innate traits (like race, gender, and disability).
Chris,
Don't explain the joke. It kind of kills it.
Porter,
Blah blah blah liberal blah blah blah blah.....
Forget hatred and intolerance, ban handguns and assault weapons.
GM takenada.
but how can we forget hatred and intolerance when YOU keep bringing it up? after all you throw your hatred of guns and total intolerance of assault weapons in our face everyday.
Typical liberal mindset.
Liberals should mind their own damn business.
Lol!
When the 1st word in a post is "typical" you can bet the rest of it is just bull$h1t.
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ho-ho-ho.....good one Harley
Let me correct that for you so that it is accurate:
A black guy walked into a bar in Hawaii, the bartender says,
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Dale R. walks into a bar......everyone starts laughing.......the end.........
IA.ScooterTramp walks into a brothel...everyone starts laughing...the end.
zinga...good comeback
I wonder why none of the Christians commenting didn't just say "Turn the other cheek". It's a bitter world.
James Griffin did say that. Christians are exemplary people. I'm not a Christian myself; but I'm happy to live with a Christian majority.
"I'm not a Christian myself; but I'm happy to live with a Christian majority."
That's really funny if you think about it.
What jerks. I'm not Christian by any means, but I do celebrate Christmas, and I hate it when some people try to ruin it for others.
I had a hard time putting up my tree until I thought of it as a Yule Tree.
To state the obvious christmas has nothing not one thing in fact to do with christianity, regardless of how much they claim it. As a matter of fact a true christian would refuse to celebrate the hoilday because it is a mockery of true christianity.
Neko, are you referring to how you celebrate Christmas or how others may celebrate it? Surely you are not trying to tell other what Christmas means to team?
no I am not telling anyone how to celebrate their holidays. However christmas is a pagan holiday celebrating the winter soltice. I have always been confused by why christians would celebrate a pagan holiday much less claim it as their own. I am sure some people believe christmas means all the jesus stuff but that is not the true meaning of the celebration.
Did anyone check to see if was circumcised as well? could be a lead....or maybe someone noticed how old Tom selleck looks and wanted to get his replacement started.
They should have painted it brown ...
well it is southern california so......
Why the hell is this national news? And why has NBC been all Jesus freak since the Sandy Hook shooting?
the medias version of the old "bait and switch"...yet it still works.
So can we riot and create mayhem like they did in the Middle East supposedly over a short flim disgracing Mohammed?
its California...and given the number of illegal Catholics there...hey it could happen....
Ad then the Roman looked over the vandal's shoulder and yelled "CONJUGATE THE VERB!!!"
Romani ite domum. Now write it out a hundred times. And if it's not done by sunrise, I'll cut your balls off.
Actually, they got it wrong, ,Jesus isn't the Hitler here, because he lived the life he preached. Its the fake Christians who claim to follow Jesus, but do the exact opposite, that are the Hitlers.
Aka MOST christians today ... and ALL republicans.
You misspelled democrats.
Oooooh creative, a Hitler mustache! I was in 6th grade once too, and I drew my fair share of Hitler mustaches. I don't think little Timmy who did this was trying to make a statement on religion, I think he thought it was funny, and now there's a news story dedicated to his hijinx...
Ya can DRAW em on? .....i grew mine.....
I guess I am astounded at the variety of high drama direct responses - and then also those responses that are a couple degrees separation. Most probably this was some kids pulling a typical kid's prank. Yet, folks here have drummed this all the way up a hate crime attack on 'christianity' and conspiracy taunts against Obama, and of course the us vs them.
Good grief, people. This was petty vandalism...and so many of you just went hook, line and sinker right over the edge with the insults.
um history and god don't go hand and hand. if you want a history of religion then take a religous studies class. History is alot more than stories from a archaic book like the bible or the rig veda. Sure they offer fantastic stories but you can't take them with seriously with any credibility.
Mark,
The Ancient Greeks had it best when they believed killing a priest (master of a religion and sects of order) was no sin but even maiming a poet could earn you an enternity in shame and endless torture. Rockin' Your God doesn't belong in any school unless that school values every single God since the first Goddess. Just to let you know by the by rockin', Arian is a christian faction so you can add that evil tonic to the killings in mass propertions that your christian god has required of His extremist son. Too bad no one of the christian ilk likes the parts of their own holy words that requires them to help themselves ..
Did everyone see the millions of Christians rioting in the streets over this act of vandalism? I didn't think so.
Maybe if the clowns of reporting fame keep harping on it they can turn it into a national hysteria that will demand legislation to make "magic markers" illegal. :D
Magic markers don't kill a lot of people quickly.
Some creep does this and MSDNC see's it as a big story. Why? Another Christmas attack. MERRY CHRISTMAS everyone.