Good way to give the illusion that something is being done to stop gun violence.

This is what an Obama/Biden/Feinstein gun ban will accomplish, nothing but temporarily pacify the masses. Political theater.

WilliamOfRites

We will never reduce gun violence by going after legally owned guns, through programs like this or through gun bans. Besides, what do you think the net effect of this program and the surge in gun sales over the last month is? If the goal is to reduce the number of guns on the streets, they're failing.

Stephen-3584703

Try to stay on topic. You won't hear me say anything about planned parenthood or PBS. Nice attempt to divert attention though.

Fewer guns in the hands of criminals may result in fewer gun crimes, but the reality is that gun bans and wasteful buy backs haven't reduced gun violence because the criminals don't follow laws and don't turn in they're guns.

Great idea..... no questions asked take murder guns off the street with NO POSSIBLE WAY to trace back the weapon to the criminal...... what a great idea libs.......

Anyone wanting to get rid of old Colts give me a call..... I'll pay you top dollar & guarantee it will NEVER harm anyone by living out it's life in my safe............

So, they are getting, in exchange for taxpayer dollars, broken/non-working weapons; stolen weapons (which they do not return to the legal owner), those turned in by people who the lefties have guilted into thinking they are bad people for exercising their 2nd Amendment rights, etc. No legal gunowner is going to turn in a $1,000 weapon for chump change. No legal gun owner is going to willingly give up their COnstitutional rights. No criminal is going to turn over a gun that they can easily use to commit a crime. All these buyback programs do is make it look as if the government is doing something about gun violence. Way to waste taxpayer dollars. Good luck eliminating gun violence with this sort of program.

$200,000,000 of MY TAX DOLLARS? No, no, no, no ,no.................. STOP handing out my money..........

When I see the liberal left go into their OWN POCKETS to fund these schemes, then fine.... have a great day...... but don't use MY MONEY if I don't get to keep the guns...............

These gun buybacks do nothing to stop gun violence. Pretty much the only guns that are being turned in are ones from people who would never have used them to start and/or they are guns that no longer work properly or have minimal value. Any decent weapon worth having is likely going to be worth more to resell than to turn in. So long as it is a legally owned weapon, why would a person turn in a weapon and get less than they could by selling it to a dealer. Criminals might turn in guns that are ones that they do not want to get caught holding because they have already been used in a crime. This is because under the buyback programs they do not collect any information that would allow an individual gun to be tied to the person turning it in and they do not run any ballistics tests on the weapons. This is supposedly to encourage criminals to turn in guns without fear of incriminating themselves in doing so. However all this really does is make it so that a criminal can get rid of a hot gun that may be traceable to a robbery or murder while at the same time getting some cash to put towards a clean one. The idea that these buybacks are in any way going to reduce gun crime is a complete joke.

Hey! It beats doing nothing which is what the Congress has been doing for years.

Even if this saves one life, it's worth it.

Is one life worth $50? (your smarta$$ reply goes here).

Now what if that one life is yours or someone you love? Changes things, doesn't it?

JS--how many of our recent prominent gun violence incidents resulted from guns in the hands of "people who would never have used them to start"? I'm thinking just about every single one of them.

Still worthless? How many guns is worth the lives of 20 children?

This is better than doing nothing as far as getting at least some guns out of hands of people that probably are not locked up properly, so those who may want to get their hands on one can't just grab it, however, what exactly happens to these guns bought back? I hope that they are melted down instead of sent to a different city and sold at gun shows or in some similar way!

Steve 446003

I'm of the same mind, AND I'll also submit to a background check. (Any 1911A1 is worth more than their offer!)

Stephen-3584703

What you're pointing out is a tendency common among many people which isn't unique to the right or left and still isn't relevant to this conversation.

Do you disagree that removing a million guns from the streets and houses of those who aren't hardened criminals would be worthwhile if it stopped any of those incidents?

There is a big "IF" in your question, and your question ignores the value of the lives are saved by guns. Are the lives are actually saved by guns less valuable than the ones that might be saved by a ban?

http://www.fresnobee.com/2012/12/22/3110710/police-say-1-dead-3-wounded-in.html

Police say that the man killed in the home invasion robbery in Sacramento was one of the intruders...number of young people were in the home during a sleepover, but that none were injured in the shooting.

Sounds like Cash For Clunkers...... and everyone knows what that accomplished?

Less Obama stickers on the road

Dingle--of course if you're going to present a story like that as proof that guns are good, I have to turn it around and say, how many people would be dead or injured if the homeowner hadn't had a gun? Now we have a homeowner who's been shot and I'm guessing a dead intruder on his hands. As there's no mention of the criminal history of the intruders there's no information about whether their robberies ever go beyond robbery when there isn't a man with a gun firing at them. Personally I'd rather have some possessions stolen than kill a man and put my own and everyone else's life at increased risk in the apparent hail of bullets. But I fully admit that it's also possible the invaders were violent murderers and/or rapists and the homeowner prevented something very nasty. But me, I'd rather we had fewer killers rather than more. "Thou shalt not kill" and all that.

Wow, I'll be happy to pay $250.00 for an AK or AR-15 type any day. I was looking at buying one but the darn things have skyrocketed since all the shootings. So now even an ex-service member like myself can't afford one. But I will spend whatever to get one if the dopes in DC try to outlaw them.

The buyback may help get guns out of the hands of irresponsible owners if nothing else. But I always wonder how many of the "no questions asked" guns were used in a homicide that now will never be solved? It's a good way to get rid of a gun that has a tainted past. I disagree with the "no questions asked" turn in program. If I were a murderer, what better way than a turn in program to rid myself of a gun that can put you in jail for life.

Any cops on the vine that know if they fire a round or two through the turn in guns so they can keep a matching slug? Just seems like the responsible thing to do.

I guess it doesn't stop someone from turning in an old or broken gun and spending the money on a new one.

Maybe they should either use the guns or just melt them down for free - no cash for turning it in. How many people would they get then? People tend to be less enthusiastic when they don't get anything for their trouble.

But really, a law abiding citizen giving up their weapon isn't going to stop a criminal or mentally disturbed person from having one. The only exception being the ones who don't know how to lock up their guns properly.

Stephen-3584703

- Less guns equal less gun violence, that has been your ptatform from the start of this conversation.

Let me submit this:

The cities of Chicago and Washington DC BANNED the legal ownership of firearms years ago, however, they lead the country in gun violence. More people died in those cities from guns than in Afghanistan this past year.

Texas, which has more armed citezens per capita than any state in the union, has the least gun related deaths in the nation.

Explain that to me please

pfred That's because Texas knows how to apply the death sentence.. They have an express lane to the lethal injection room or if you chose the firing squad or hanging they will do that toooo..

I wonder if they bother to check them against the stolen database as many could be.. Many owners want their guns back that we stolen.. But I would bet not as they are single mindedly trashing them.. One buyback the police resold the guns at a gun show and pocketed the cash.. If some of these people were smart they would take them to a gun shop or pawn shop and get a bunch more for them.. Giving the mindless liberals something worth $1000 for a $50 McDonald's gift card is the same stupidity that rules our Government..

Another mis-guided left wing spend of tax dollars. This effort is simply big government with it's head up it's a$$ trying to think outside the box and just has a big swing and a miss. This is targeted or should be rather targeted at gang guns and will likely get nothing worthwhile from anyone other than a broken down piece of junk. Most people sell their guns for big bucks if they know their value. Uncle Sam strikes again at wasting our hard earned money.

I think buy back is great. It is a great way to get rid of guns for parts and use the money to upgrade my collection.

The best way to stay safe now is be friendly and welcoming. Keep your doors unlocked as not to offend any thieves and leave your buy-back food on the kitchen table with a nice note telling them to have a snack if they are hungry, take what ever they want but to stay awhile and warm up before leaving ... have a hot cup of joe and have a great day. Kill them with kindness. Be sure to put poison in the coffee.

Wait for it..... wait for it.... here ya go, look whats happening else where!

We joke about it here in the U.S. that maybe the UK should ban kitchen knives since they can be used to kill someone. It looks like the UK may have taken those jokes a little too seriously because they’ve been considering banning long, pointed kitchen knives for the past several years. Researchers from West Middlesex University Hospital found that crime in their country was on the rise, and that k...itchen knives were used in as many as half of all stabbings.

At least they’re being consistent. They thought guns were dangerous, so they banned guns. Now, they’re acknowledging that knives have taken the place of guns and are dangerous and should also be banned. BBC News reported:

Read more: 8721/uk-considers-banning-kitchen-knives/#ixzz2GHO41KFV

Nothing more than propaganda, people are giving away broken old guns, is like "cash for clunker".Criminals don't use registered guns, they got them in the black market.

Pfred - the reason there are more gun deaths in Chicago and DC is because those cities have a large minority population. Most guns deaths in those cities are black on black crime. These knee jerk reactionary programs are a waste of money. Most of the gun deaths are from guns that were stolen. The punk in Newtown stole the guns he used. The vast majority of gun owners are your finest citizens.

lol who the hell would turn in a superdope AR15 SP1 like the one in the first picture ,that gun is a classic AR15 and is worth over $1200 &up i hope the coppers keep that one for themselves instead of destroying it,or return it to its rightful owners if it was stolen

Gun buybacks do two things for sure:

1. the get gun out of the hands of people that should not have guns. (ie the untrained)

2. it's a good way of making sure when the former gun owner is away and his home is robbed that there will no longer be a gun there for the thief to walk off with.

Why is it when there is a different opinion, it gets collapsed? You one sided, closed minded conservatives need to get over the fact your way is'nt always right and to block others opinion just shows how controlling you are. GET OVER IT!

Hmmmmmm, that's funny.

One of my friends son just graduated as a Master Gunsmith in PA, he says they have seen a meteoric rise in gun orders since the tragedy in CT.

Actually they've seen sales almost triple since Barrack Hussein was elected.

Coincidence?

No self respecting criminal or wacko would turn in their gun to such a program! Such a waste of taxpayer money! But you voted these people in, not me....

Let's all collapse Randy's post 1.34... because he's annoying! That will be more beneficial than turning in broken guns for cash.... our cash!

WOW!!! 200 million dollars to set aside for the buy back of guns, but yet we cant get the budget situated? This makes no sense what so ever, Its not the guns that are the problems, its the person holding the weapon! I believe that your guns should be put up in a safe, to keep out of reach of the wrong hands. What alot of you people out there that are voluntarily giving up your guns, is that there are people out here that utilize guns to put food on the table or even take care of critters that kill some of our animals that is our income.

CASH FOR GLOCKS!

Yep, another useless government program brought to you by the bleeding heart Liberal/Progressive cabal.

Bite Me! Randy 394876

So let me get this straight, I can now steal a gun, use it to commit a crime, maybe even kill somebody with it, then take that weapon to a police sponsored buy back program where they will give me money for the murder weapon, no questions asked? Sounds like a sweet deal for criminals. You know my neighbor had his house broken in to a few months ago. The even managed to get into his gun safe, where along with many valuable weapons he had a stash of cash and even some gold coins. They took the gold, and took the cash but left the guns. Probably because to sell them at a pawn shop it requires paperwork. But with a buy back program like this, I'm guessing the guns will be gone next time. It's a good time to be a meth head I guess.

LMFAO!!! Buy backs are pointless... Sure RESPONSIBLE ppl turn their guns in for a few cheeseburgers or a tankful of gas but the CRIMINALS set back and laugh at you while they case your house knowing you have no more guns.... Like Prohibition was supposed to make alcohol illegal and take it off the streets, what happened there...yea....

Only the Sheeple turned in their weapons.....Number 1 weapon used in ANY crime is......BASEBALL BAT!!! BAN BASEBALL!!!

$200,000,000 of MY TAX DOLLARS?

So you personally have paid 200 million in taxes so far? You must have. You used caps to make it stand out more. Guess those that are in favor of this action owe you a thank you for funding this whole thing by yourself.

When I see the liberal left go into their OWN POCKETS to fund these schemes

You mean how the Conservative Right does? Oh wait, they piss away your money just the same.

A bunch of folks getting cash for their old guns, to offset part of what they have already spent over the past two weeks on new semi-automatic pistols and rifles. What is wrong with this picture?

I've got no problem with these programs, just understand what they are.

If somebody decides they no longer want a gun in their home, this is a legitimate way for them to do so. I support their decision fully. You shouldn't have one if you feel you're not up to the responsibility.

If somebody decides they no longer want a gun in their home, this is a legitimate way for them to do so. I support their decision fully. You shouldn't have one if you feel you're not up to the responsibility.

You're missing the point Mark, most of these guns are broken and would cost more than they're worth to fix... the govt is using our money to give a lot of gun owners the opportunity to upgrade to a new gun. No bad guy is going to turn in a tool of his trade because he doesn't 'feel up to the responsibility'!

Nothing is solved, just govt wasting our money on a bad idea! Kind of like what happened with our investment in Solyndra, remember that govt investment? Bad memories die hard. This gun program is not consistent with a reasonable person's idea of fiscal responsibility!

These gun buy-backs are good for show but do not begin to address the problem. In the very town these murders occurred, gun sales are way up. Not just there, every where.

I am not against citizens owning guns but we really need to find ways to keep them out of the wrong hands.

I see some nice guns in that pic, they should sell them, with proper registration to responsible owners and maybe use the funds for something constructive. I see some that were bought for $50 and would sell for hundreds, some even for $1000 or more, mental healthcare, gun safety education etc.

I know I will get hammered for this post.

Antistupidity wrote:

"I know I will get hammered for this post."

I have no comment about your post, ... other than to say I think your idea about getting hammered sounds appealing! 'Antistupidity', you have a knack for suggesting sage alternatives from a clear and sound mind (even when subconsciously offered). Hammered it shall be. Goodnight. Bourbon and eggnog nightcap, here I come

;-)

No guns, well the crazies and criminals can just push people into subways or blow up neighborhoods. Hmmm....if someone wants to take a life, they'll get creative.

Funny. So many people writing comments here sound as though they don't realize that these buy-backs happen every year. The reason why it is bigger news is because there were some very high profile cases of gun violence and because the buy-backs were very successful this year.

This is not some new effort on behalf of the Obama admin to get guns off the street, these buy-backs are annual. And you pro-gun people are right. There will always be guns on the street as long as there people who have guns that can be stolen. I know how that sounds, but sorry, its true. The one valuable in your house that is the most desirable is your weapon.

It is better to light a single candle than to curse the darkness.

Gun buybacks won't end the gun violence. But it's a start, and there will be lives saved. Those who are turning in their guns may well be saving the life of a family member.

Bill Stowers, 59, told the Los Angeles Times he attended the San Diego gun buyback because he worried that his 12-gauge shotgun might fall into the wrong hands given the break-ins in his neighborhood.

Exactly. Guns are a primary target of thieves. Sensible people know that it's highly unlikely you'll be able to defend yourself from armed criminals who already have a gun in their hand. A more likely scenario is that the criminals will steal your weapons and use them against you.

Guns in the home are far more likely to be used in anger against family members, cause accidental shootings, or be used in suicides. We do not need to fill our homes with instruments of death. There has to be a better solution to live safely and in peace in our communities.

More guns is not the answer.

DingleB (is that short for DingleBerry?)...most gun violence comes through people who legally own guns. Often times those legal guns get into the hands of perps because they were stolen. If I were you I would do my homework before making your comments so that you do not look like such a "DingleBerry"!!

the author is retarded..... more money for semi automatic firearms.... nearly every firearm designed in the last 100 years is semi automatic.... maybe 95% of them.....

people calling for a ban of semi automatic guns show their complete lack of knowledge when they say that...

oh and

Julieann

most gun violence is perpetrated by people who have acquired guns on the street (which, by the way is legal to do) or been able to fool the background check system because its so weak........ by far..... so you are the one who should be doing your homework

require all firearm purchases to go through dealers, get a real background check system, and fix mental healthcare and gun violence will continue its rapid fall....... down by half in the last 8 years

Wow! Where do I start. First, my understanding is that the Freedom of this fine country that we all try to get along in is based off The Constitution Of The United States. And being a Veteran who participated in fighting for the freedom of this fine country (along side many other veterans). I am really embarressed by the representatives whom we have elected to represent us as a people. I think many of them have lost their way in Washington and it is evident that they are only concerned about their own agenda instead of what the people want.

In regards to individuals that claim they are pro-gun and don't support the beliefs that are documented in the Constitution should be packing their bags and move to a 3rd world country and live happily ever after as long as they can. (Which from the looks of it isn't for very long.)

I think the United States Gov should be paying law abiding citizens a good wage (tax free) to help protect the SHEEP who think they deserve to live in this country and are not willing to stand by the Constitution, but just sit around living off the tax payers and complain about everthing. If you don"t like the way we Real Americans are trying fix the problems our Gov has created, then I suggest you move to another country and voice your UnAmerican opinion to them.

I hope I have offended the right people by posting this comment. (you will know who you are)

Have a nice day.

Robert in OregonA bunch of folks getting cash for their old guns, to offset part of what they have already spent over the past two weeks on new semi-automatic pistols and rifles. What is wrong with this picture?

Just might be enough to cover the cost of the background check and the sales tax.

yea thats the trick keep buying back guns maybe it will make the anti-gun people happy and they will let this ban all guns go away it will anyway, just need a new big story for the media to focus on and feed to the sheep

Lets see, they go steal the guns from law abiding citizens, then rape, murder, rob law abiding citizen and the cops buy them back with law abiding citizens tax dollars and no repercussions for the all the gun laws (and other law) they broke that are already on the books! Just F--king Brilliant... A WIN WIN for the criminals!

Saw some that were bought in Dallas awhile back..... not a bad sale.... $100 gift card for a $50 JUNK gun..... the people buying couldn't even tell a TOY from the real thing...... wow.... $50 for a CAP-GUN....

If you really want to lower crime..... take the CRIMINALS off the street..........

naw.... they will end up in Mexico or some where like the "fast and furious" debacle, and the kicker is that we the tax payer are paying for it!!...

Pro-Guns - Mohandas K. Gandhi, George Washington, Dalai Lama, John Adams, Thomas Jefferson.

Anti-Gun - Adolf Hitler, Joseph Stalin, Benito Mussolini, Mao Tze Tung, Pol Pot, Fidel Castro, Hugo Chavez

“To disarm the people is the most effectual way to enslave them.”

– George Mason

The right to bear arms was NOT so we could go hunting.... It was so we can fight an oppressive government!

There will always be accidents, tragadies, and people being hurt or killed with guns, knives, bats, blunt objects and so on... This "Gun Grab" does not treat the problem, the problem is not the tool, the problem is the individual welding the tool. PERIOD!

They will sell them south of the border. Eric Holder will have to come up with a new name though. Fast and Furious has already been used.

Sign this petition to 'clarify' gun ownership requirements:

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/create-28th-amendment-gun-ownership-privilege/tRJtD6L7

Clarify? What part of "shall not be infringed" needs to be clarified? I think the SCOTUS already did that by reaffirming that right as a INDIVIDUAL right. Thanks for trying though.

double post

We already infringe on your right to own a firearm. Can you buy a machine gun?

davey-526272,

Yes, machine guns can be bought and owned by private citizens in the U.S. as established by the National Firearms Act.

Michael-1127073, look out! There just might be one pointed at you!! Quick, run and arm yourself!!

Yes, machine guns can be bought and owned by private citizens in the U.S. as established by the National Firearms Act.

I know. Would you be OK with adding hand guns to the same classification with machine guns?

Gun buy-back Chicago style: Guns come in the front door, person in possession gets paid. Guns go to storage room. Guns disappear from storage room. Dirty cop gives guns to his buddies for next by-back program. Everyone splits money from guns and same guns keep getting bought back on rotation. What a country!

Those guns were window dressing, supplied by the department to give the appearance of public support and success. Kind of like when the bar tender sets up a tip jar and puts in the first few dollars in it as primer, you know the power of suggestion to generate a feeling of obligation.

If any were turned in they were probably "airsoft toys" which apear realistic but only shoot plastic bb's at low velocity.

stupid "CASH 4 PLINKERS" gun buyback programs ,that AR15 SP1 was worth way more then $200 bucks ,if its a SP1 its over $1200.00 &up if COLT

stupid "CASH 4 PLINKERS" gun buyback programs ,that AR15 SP1 was worth way more then $200 bucks ,if its a SP1 its over $1200.00 &up if COLT

Mark, don't all bent out of shape right now. We don't really know just WHAT that is in the picture.

It has the outward appearances of either a Colt SP1 sporter or of a US M16 or M16A1. However, there were no small numbers of 'AR-15' rifles built from parts back in the 80's, and quite often the assembly was done with surplus M16 parts in someone's garage and that someone wasn't exactly a professional armorer. These built-up guns make a lot of people nervous as M16 parts, even if in an AR type rifle that is only an autoloader and not select fire, are something the BATFE takes keen interest in. If you don't like the idea of being charged with 'constructive possession' of an unregistered machine gun, then avoiding AR pattern rifles of unknown provenance is a good idea. It could be that whoever had it had been trying to get rid of it but no one he felt comfortable trying to sell it to wanted it, either. A lot of those parts rifles were also known to have issues that could not be readily solved except by a very astute gunsmith or armorer. Someone who had a questionable AR-15 type rifle that wasn't working right might not want to spend the money it'd take to make it right or be afraid that they'd learn the hard way that they really didn't have legal title to it. Just buying it from someone does not make it yours if the person you bought it from wasn't the rightful owner and had no right to sell what wasn't his! It could be whoever had it wasn't too sure about the rifle's origins and didn't want that serial number being traced back to him. Trading it for a hundred dollars of groceries could actually be a good investment...what's being arrested and charged with possession of stolen property likely to cost you?

It could also very possibly be an unregistered M16. More than a few have vanished from Department of Defense inventory through the years. Also, a lot of the M16A1 rifles that the US provided to the Republic of Vietnam as military aid in the late 60's and early 70's were sold or traded by the communists after Saigon fell and turned up in Nicaragua in the early 80's...and who knows where else! It wouldn't be overly difficult to see how a 'loose' M16A1 could be smuggled from central America to southern California. If it's a matter of being caught in possession of an 'unregistered machine gun' in violation of the National Firearms Act, punishable by a stint in the Federal penitentiary, or getting $100 or $200 worth of groceries or gift card stuff, which would you take?

You can thank the liberal media and pundits for that. They are stupidly causing the very thing they fear...private gun ownership. What idiots.

Which laws did he sign to loosen gun control?

makessense--I'd say I'm glad you asked, but really you could have done the google search yourself if you were just curious and not (I'm guessing) assuming I was incorrect/lying.

"One of those pro-gun laws took effect in February 2010 and allows people to carry loaded firearms into the Grand Canyon and other national parks, according to the AP."

"The other major pro-gun law Obama signed allows Amtrak passengers to carry guns in checked baggage, reversing a ban that was put in place after 9/11, according to USA Today."

"In addition to signing pro-gun laws, the Chicago Tribune has pointed out, Obama also failed to make good on a campaign promise to close a loophole that let some people buy guns without background checks."

Will that do for now?

Stephen; You insult legal, responsible gun owners with your name calling such as "stupid" "Gun crazy" comments. Why not debate logically and without the play-ground trash talk? Although I have owned firearms for more than sixty years, I assure you, I am not gun crazy. The only thing I was ever crazy about was the several ladies in my life...and the bearded clam in general...which got me in much more trouble than my Colt .45s, wheel guns or Remington rolling blocks!

Here in Tennessee I'm surrounded by millions of "stupid gun-crazy right-wingers". By that, I don't mean people that own firearms. I mean people that don't think there needs to be any form of gun control whatsoever. The thought that these people actually believe that anybody should be able to buy a firearm without so much as showing an ID or submitting to a background check makes my skin crawl. It that makes me a crazy liberal then I am a crazy liberal. I also happen to be a law abiding, gun owning crazy liberal that happily submitted to my background checks.

Obama slacked several gun laws and concealed carry so did the Supreme Court.. I think they had hoped that gun crime and violence would go up but it went down and that's why his lap dog Holder ran Fast and Furious to make gun owners and laws look bad.. That blew up in their faces as well when the truth came out.. Holder did not even get a slap on the wrist because Obama was protecting him.. He has an agenda so do not be fooled.. Remember his remarks about roadblocks, not being able to follow through right now, flying under the radar and wanting to rewrite the Constitution.. They wanted to sneak in a total ban by stating just military style weapons.. Since muzzle loaders through machine guns were all at one time used by a military in history they almost got away with one..

As far as gun laws go they are still to strict.. I await them having a law that makes you paint a star on your house and car like Hitler marked the Jews..

We are surrounded by idiots. What the hell do they think is working here? Law abiding people giving up their guns because of a terrible tragedy. The crooks just love these programs. Keep up the good work Gov.

Read the Obama health care bill and then tell me he didn't do anything about gun control! Other than that maybe not to much but then he knew if he did he wouldn't get reelected. Tell me after another 4 years how pro gun Obama is.

Obama signed a global gun ban treaty with the UN the day after the election.

What I would like to see is this. For one week all legally owned guns just vanish. Then the only people with guns will be police and criminals. After the crime rate goes up 1000% + in the next couple days all the anti gun liberal cry babies will be begging to get the guns back into the hands of the original owners. During a time of war you hear phrases like "embolding the enemy". What do you think taking all the guns off the street is going to do? Do you "really" think a career criminal is going to turn in his gun for fifty bucks when he can steal, mug and rape with the same weapon and get hundreds more? I will give you lib cry babies this, yes guns should be kept safe in a home because a thief can steal it and use it in a murder, but not if it is kept properly locked up when you are not home. Night stand guns are great for self defense but should not be kept in the night stand while you are not home. They should be carried on your waist or in a gun safe. A lock box is not a safe, a lock box is made to keep the gun out of the hands of children. A gun safe will weigh 650 lbs or more. A lock box can be carried out by a thief an anchored safe can not.

Can anyone in the rabid gun-rights crowd admit that the level of gun violence in the U.S. is unacceptable?

Can any of you truly state that nothing needs to change? (And by 'change', I'm not referring to more guns in the hands of more people.)

I'm tired of your Second Amendment excuse. You gun nuts are the very people who need to come up with a workable solution to the out-of-control gun violence which has made this country the pariah of the civilized world.

Woodysr, you are absolutely incorrect. For truly reasonable, responsible, trained gun-owners, I have no issue. So if you interpret my problems with crazy right-wing gun nuts as applying to you, that's your choice, not mine. If you are in fact such a responsible gun owner, I challenge you to clearly state your opinion of people who feel they can't be safe without a house full of firearms, people who make quite clear they imagine they would rather "rise up" in armed revolt if strict gun control legislation were to pass, indicating they would rather kill and overthrow the government than relinquish their private arsenals. You don't sound like you're one of that category of gun owner, so how do you view them? Do you believe because you prefer to own a firearm you automatically belong more with those people than you do with those of us who view that kind of behavior as problematic? Because again, that's on you. As John Bean suggested, there are also many responsible gun owners who strongly believe much more gun control ought to be in place. I'm sure they'd welcome you into their camp if you could see your way to part ways with the whackjobs.

But personally, there's not a thing I own that I would rather kill than lose. There may be people I'd kill to protect but nothing, especially a weapon, means more to me than continuing not to be a killer. And one sad thing is how much overlap there is between the rabid gun right and the allegedly fundamentalist Christian right, who seem to have no problem merging their deep-seated need to kill if they feel threatened vs the minor "thou shalt not kill" rule in the Bible.

From Forbes

As much as gun control advocates might wish otherwise, their attacks are running out of ammo. With private firearm ownership at an all-time high and violent crime rates plunging, none of the scary scenarios they advanced have materialized. Abuse of responsibility by armed citizens is rare, while successful defensive interventions against assaults on their lives and property are relatively commonplace.

National violent crime rates that soared for 30 years from the early 1960s began to decrease markedly since 1993. Last December the FBI reported that murder and other violent crime rates fell again by 6.4% during the first half of 2011 compared with the same period in 2010. A Gallup poll indicates that “Americans’ preference regarding gun laws is generally that the government enforce existing laws more strictly and not pass new laws.”

Caroline Brewer of the anti-gun Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence has reported that “The research we’ve seen indicates fewer and fewer people owning more and more guns.” Yet one can only wonder where they are getting that information. In reality, public support for personal gun ownership is growing. According to Steve Sanetti, president of the National Shooting Sports Foundation, a trade group that represents about 7,000 firearms manufacturers and related companies, in 1959 some 70% of the American public favored handgun bans, whereas today that number has flipped. This support is reflected in the marketplace. Sanetti observes that the $4.1 billion gun industry “has had nineteen months of growth in an otherwise anemic economy.”

Recognizing these positive trends, most states now issue permits allowing qualified law-abiding people to legally carry handguns outside their homes. Unprecedented numbers are becoming licensed to do so, now totaling an estimated 10 million Americans, contributing, in turn, to a dramatic growth in gun sales.

A record of more than 1.5 million background checks for customers looking to purchase a firearm were requested by gun dealers to the National Instant Background Check (NICS) system last December. About one-third of these occurred during the six weeks before Christmas. They had previously recorded a 49% rise in background checks during the week before President Obama was elected in 2008 compared with the same week one year earlier.

The National Rifle Association clearly agrees that guns should not be sold to individuals found to have serious mental problems, although many states fail to provide mental health records to the federal computerized background check system. According to a November, 2011 report by the Mayors Against Illegal Guns (MAIG), 23 states have shown “major failures” in complying, and four (Alaska, Delaware, Idaho and Rhode Island) submit no records at all. (Although murder has been in decline in New York and other major cities for years, a Pepsi and Honda Super Bowl advertisement spot featured New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg and Boston’s Thomas Menino on a couch calling for stricter government measures to curb illegal gun sales.

Stephen; Conn has very strong gun control; Do you recall this?

Cheshire, Connecticut, home invasion murders, rapes
This heinous crime occurred on July 23, 2007, when a mother and her two daughters were murdered
during a home invasion. The father, the only survivor was beaten, tied up and left for dead! I don't know if these two cretins are still alive, I hope not. But this stuff happens. I'd like at least a chance to protect myself, my loved ones.

I could cite many, many cases when an armed homeowner prevented such by firing at the felon. I lived in Texas for many years, and one night I was awakened by the sound of glass breaking. One of my vehicles was being burglarized. Rather than shoot the stupid kid, I dialed 911 and was more or less ignored. I cycled my garage door and the kid took off. I was insured and just didn't care to kill someone over a theft. BUT if he had crashed my door, I would have unloaded my .45 ACP by my bed. In a manner so as not to harm any neighbor. You Stephen, are free to do whatever you feel is "correct".

What would you do? Doesn't sound to me like you have any sound solutions either. As a retired combat veteran, I would gladly don my uniform again and volunteer (armed if necessary) to help protect children.

They are doing nothing by banning anything. To decry any other alternative as unacceptable is a typical ploy to ensure that only their singular gun ban agenda is followed. And when this new ban fails as they always do, they'll be screaming for more bans and even tighter restrictions. Then the crime rate will rise as it has everywhere that comprehensive gun bans have been implemented as the democratic constituencies in those countries have unarmed prey to feed upon.

The liberal would never allow that because this would be people controlling their own destiny.. Why do you think they made something in the Constitution a bad word "MILITIA".. This is counter to liberal government control so it has to be bad.. Obama wants to rewrite the Constitution in the worst way because it puts too many road blocks in the way of his agenda.. If they attempt a gun ban or some other BS every single one of the politicians that vote in opposition to the Constitution should be impeached.. And the Patriot act which is anything but patriotic should be repealed along with some of the other unconstitutional crap that gives the President and Congress far too much power.. Our Supreme Court is anything but supreme as the 5/4 ruling on amendment #2 proves.. There is no doubt what the founding fathers meant as they wrote many letters describing and defining what they wrote.. Schools no longer teach children about the Constitution other then vague references.. WTF is with that???

Doomsbaby

At least they are doing something, believe me, if these critics had a superior solution that isn't turn our schools into fortresses then I would support them.

"Something is better than nothing" is NOT always true, as this does nothing! Nobody has suggested "turning our schools into fortresses", as you put it, although a suggestion has been made to put a highly trained, armed guard at each school. One armed guard does not constitute a fortress! However, if a fortress is what it takes to protect the children, I'm all for it. After all, a fortress is defined as "a heavily protected and impenetrable building". Sounds like something that would have definitely prevented the massacre at the school in Newtown, CT. I can't say what would have happened after the kids got out of school, but they would have been more spread out at that time and, therefore, the casualties would have most likely been far less. Every bit of that sounds like a winner to me! What do you have against protecting children by any means possible? Do tell...

We have armed guards protecting our President,our Senators,Banks,Movie stars,And Music stars. I for one do not believe that any of them are any more important then our innocent children.They deserve to be protected by the best way possible.Did anyone watch the story on ABC News where they talked to the children who are the same age as the Newtown children. They all agreed that it is not the video games,music,or movies.They would not be afraid to have the police at their schools. What may suprise some of you is that even these young children said"There had to be something wrong with these people who do these things.Something wrong with them before they did it" I do not belong to the NRA But I agree with the idea to put Trained Armed people in the schools.

We've clearly shown "an armed society is a polite society" is a load. An armed society is one step closer to having any random disagreement, outburst or break turn into a bloodbath. People looking to commit mass murder don't really care too much about getting shot so it's not exactly a deterrent. They really don't expect to live through it anyway.

Stephen, please check statistics for the lowest violent crime rates per capita in the world (I'll help, it's Switzerland)... cross reference that with the gun ownership in that country (I'll help again, everyone between 18 and 30 and something like 70%+ over 30)... can you understand the correlation?

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"People looking to commit mass murder don't really care too much about getting shot so it's not exactly a deterrent. They really don't expect to live through it anyway."

Those people don't care much about gun control laws either except for the idea it means they are less likely to stare down the barrel of a gun in someone elses hand.

If those people don't have easy access to guns, they won't become mass murderers to begin with. The opinions of people trying to commit mass murder regarding gun control legislation seems pretty silly when they don't generally have to worry about gun laws to get guns because they're surrounded by guns.

As for Switzerland, I'm not sure they really constitute a helpful case for your argument either. Their entire gun culture is vastly different from ours. Swiss don't own guns because they're paranoid about getting victimized, or for hunting, or just because they're gun-crazy. The Swiss have guns because their effective military is a civilian militia and just about every adult male is part of it, with military training and private ownership and responsibility of their weaponry for their duties. They're also not normally able to get a carry permit unless they're in security or something. Entirely different gun culture, doesn't really map to the US. Perhaps if the US started conscripting everyone into the military and ensuring full military training to nearly every capable adult male, rampant gun ownership might in fact be much less of a problem.

If those people don't have easy access to guns, they won't become mass murderers to begin with.

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You're wrong about that. Timothy McVeigh did it with chemical fertilizer and the 911 hijackers did it with box cutters and airplanes, by my house (in California) a guy used his car to ram into a preschool with his car and killed several children...

YOU are the poster making it about guns. With no gun, murders just use other methods. It doesn't stop them.

Ban handguns and assault weapons.

"CASH 4 TRASH" the gov't should have a program to turn in unwanted crazy people,psychos &criminials for cash ,that would really solve the problem !!!

takenaka, ban you and your family. We don't need stupid cowards in this country now! we are all tired of sacrificing our family members for you liberal hacks.

Stephen-3584703

...People looking to commit mass murder don't really care too much about getting shot so it's not exactly a deterrent. They really don't expect to live through it anyway.

Wow! I must congratulate you! When I read that drivel (post 8.1), I immediately recognized it as the most ignorant post I have EVER read on any Newsvine post, and I have been reading and commenting for several years now. Then, amazingly, you managed to top it again in just over one hour (post 8.3) when you said:

If those people don't have easy access to guns, they won't become mass murderers to begin with.

LOL!!!! Thanks for the laughs. They say laughter is the best medicine and I think I just got immunized for years to come! I appreciate that.

Regarding the first comment, you couldn't be more wrong. People looking to commit mass murder are COWARDS! They are looking for the easiest target with the least risk. They may not expect to live through it, but they do want to inflict maximum damage with minimal fear of being stopped. That is why they pick locations with captive audiences who have limited capability to defend themselves. That is why they pick locations such as an elementary school with no security or a movie theater with explicit "no guns" rules. Notice how you rarely hear of them attacking a police station, which are full of representatives of the "establishment" that they think they are fighting against.

Regarding the second comment, I take it you have never heard of the Oklahoma City bombing and Timothy McVeigh, or even September 11, 2001, the World Trade Center, the Pentagon and the muslim terrorists, which Angela LD educated you on in post 8.4. I'll just leave it at that, as nothing more needs to be said.

I don't pass out this advice often, but you are in dire need of it. As such, I will consider this a public service...

STEP AWAY FROM THE KEYBOARD, YOUR IGNORANCE IS SHOWING!

Stephen-3584703,

Gun ownership in the U.S. reflects the same principle as Swiss gun ownership: That the "people" as mentioned in the 2nd Amendment ARE the militia, and that private citizens who are not members of the armed forces can be called upon to support or replace National Guard units to protect life and property in case of emergency. The concept is not abstract or outmoded, but one embodied in Federal and State law (see U.S. Code, Title 32, Sec. 313, "The Militia"; & various State Defense Forces). We often hear the "straw man" argument that citizen soldiers armed with only small arms could never defeat government forces armed with much more powerful weapons such as jets and tanks, but notwithstanding that that an insurrection against a tyrannical government would be a guerrilla war in which tanks and jets would be mostly ineffective, the purpose of the Militia is not to oppose the government, but to support it. And the citizen militia has recently done just that in disaster relief and border patrol operations. As the citizen militia's mission require it to act in a military capacity, its members should properly be armed with state of the art military small arms unhindered by the requirement that they carry out their missions with 19th century technology hunting rifles. The concept that these weapons be kept and maintained by their owners is a direct reflection of the Swiss concept that the Militia is always ready to instantly act when needed. The Minutemen live in the body and Spirit of those Americans who realize that the threat of predatory violence will always be with us until all men Love each other as Brothers.

Steven--no, it absolutely does not.

The principal behind the 2nd Amendment does, but the NRA and friends prefer to interpret it as anybody should own as many guns as they want for whatever paranoid reason they want, carry firearms anywhere they want, and shoot any time they feel threatened whether there's truly a threat requiring such force or not. It's a culture of paranoia, fear, guns as a symbol for manliness, etc. That's why I pointed out that if our own stance on implementation of the 2nd Amendment was in fact to draft every eligible adult male (or every eligible adult) into the military militia, get full military training, and be required to own and maintain their weapons for formal duties, the stupid gun culture we have now might not be so insane and the concept of "an armed society is a polite society" might have some chance to work. But the US has the most powerful military force in the world, so you pretending your ownership of a gun is somehow in pursuit of the reasons behind the 2nd Amendment, you're deluding yourself. These people don't feel a need to own a gun to protect America from foreign powers, they need it because too many of them feel weak and powerless without it and assume they will be victimized on a personal level. The second Amendment is there for a reason, but even the founding fathers the right wing pretends to idolize never would have imagined a society with as little restrictions around guns as we have today.

And as for "not to oppose the government, but to support it", you might want to share that concept with some of the previous commenters who have suggested they feel a need not just to "fight back" but to "win" if there were to be any attempt to impose strict gun control laws. That doesn't sound like someone who cares about the government enough to fight for it, but someone who cares so much about their guns they'd kill for them.

Certainly the Founding Fathers would approve of fighting to the death to defend the right to "keep and bear arms" as the first shots of the Revolution, "The Shots Heard 'Round the World", were fired by farmers at Lexington and Concord at government troops who had come to confiscate their weapons. The prohibition in the 2nd Amendment against banning or restricting ownership of weapons is absolute: "the right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed" - Period. I wholeheartedly agree that there needs to be more regulation in the form of training, which would also be approved by the Founding Fathers. As far as my being deluded that my owning a gun is supported by the 2nd Amendment because the Federal Government has a powerful military, I'm not aware of any such cravat in U.S. law which states that arming of the civilian militia is contingent upon the power of the standing army, and obviously it should not be anymore than the right of free speech should rest on whether the government is better equipped to report the news than private organizations. You present a straw man argument when you suggest that gun ownership only be related to a threat of invasion by a foreign power. As I pointed out, the Modern Militia has been called to duty in recent times to supplement National Guard units (which had been thinned by their call-up to foreign duty) to provide security from looters in the wake of natural disaster and for border patrol missions. There would seem to be a valid need for the Militia for school security at this point and I'm sure many, including myself, would volunteer their services. And of course, the need for a firearm by civilians for protection from domestic predatory violence has been validated completely by the law of every state in the Union and by recent rulings by the U.S. Supreme Court. Those who seek to disarm the Militia promote an un-American concept and would be more comfortable living in most of the other countries of the world where the lowly citizen is regarded by those in power as a vassal of the state rather than a Free Man. Guns in America are here to stay, get used to it. You can bitch and moan all you want, but as the Arabs say, "Dogs bark, but the caravan moves on".

False. See the link I posted elsewhere.

You'll have to do much better than a one word rebuttal and a reference to some obscure link in an unidentified location to have any credibility.

So are you advocating for the overthrow of the federal government?

I'd say people whose views of their guns are that they'd commit murder and try to overthrow the U.S. govt rather than surrender them are quite frankly those who least deserve to hold them. You want to insist on mental health requirements, this to me is insane and should be grounds for loss of firearms.

Alec Petersen

Well, it meet the standard of liberal gun control ("We're doing something!") and it keeps them from agitating for something that could quickly turn into a real mess. Give them all of the mirrors and glass beads they want, I say. "The real beauty of the 2nd Ammendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it."---Thomas Jefferson. That day is coming. Choose modern weaponry, my friends, and when the time comes, don't fight to make a last stand; fight to win!

Lol. Thomas Jefferson never said, nor wrote anything like that. It doesn't even make sense. Take what, exactly?

Well they usually sell these guns back to responsible owners after they pick what they want so it is a win win for all.

Looks like you need to research your consititution, Stephen. The founding fathers express intent for inclusion of the second Ammendment was to ensure that citizenry could take up arms if the government ever abused it's power. Gun confiscation as being advocated by many today would certainly qualify. And Mark, that quote is widely attributed to Thomas Jefferson.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/12/16/opinion/cornell-gun-control/index.html?iref=allsearch

Interesting read, though I suspect you'll reject it.

Stephen-3584703: You have been listening to Peirce Morgan too much.And to get your facts fron cnn??They are the ones who fired two of their people for splicing the Zimmerman tape to cause a riot in Sanford Fl. But then you really can not believe too much of any of our socialist meda anymore.

So your comment is that as a law-abiding gun owner, you think you need to stock up on ammunition? For what eventuality is all that ammunition required for a law-abiding gun owner?

Practice.

I can easily shoot up hundereds of rounds in a competition shoot. Not to mention practicing.

retiredcoastguard: They are not getting my pit either. He is the First line of defence!

That is a never-ending trip that started with the Chinese inventing gun powder.

Get armed, and get real.

If saving one life is your goal then we need to pull cars, alcohol, tobacco, prescription medication, all firearms, bicycles, and any other object that has ever killed someone off the market. After that we need to pad everything on the planet and wrap ourselves in bubble wrap. Btw, we currently have the lowest recorded levels of gun violence in recent history in the US right now. One or two high profile shootings do not constitute an over arching theme of gun violence in the country.

One or two high profile shootings? I assume you're speaking per week, or else you're in danger of suffocating from having your head buried so deep in the sand.

And, hopefully, it will convince those who have no business owning a gun (they don't lock it up, keep it away from their kids, can't shoot straight, etc.) to give up theirs.

"I need it for my protection!" can easily become, "Oops!" when a weapon is in the wrong hands. We recently had an incident at a local bar where a weapons expert was examining a small handgun that a woman kept in her purse. "Oh, it's unloaded," she reassured him. Well, when he picked it up to get a look at it, guess what fell out of the gun--it wasn't cotton candy!

I think of a buyback program more as a recycling issue (get old guns off the market, move newer ones in), but it also lets people who want to get rid of their weapons do so in a safe, proper way.

StandUp--that is exactly one of the simplest benefits of this type of program. These programs may not do a whole lot to take guns out of the hands of gang-bangers or whoever, but all the mass killings and accidental shootings had nothing to do with violent criminals. They are children shooting themselves or others, they are people snapping in a rage and using the handy firearm to respond, they are people nobody would ever imagine as being violent picking up someone else's stash of weaponry and going out to slaughter innocents. Cutting down on that is well worth it.

C. Nelson,

You sound like a gun addict who is threatened others can kick their gun habit and you can't, still sucking on that binky gun to ease your fear and paranoia about daily living?

StandUpJokeOff...(#13.1)..." "Oops!" when a weapon is in the wrong hands. We recently had an incident at a local bar where a weapons expert was examining a small handgun that a woman kept in her purse. "

Say what ???.....And what State was this in ???.....A weapons expert in a bar examining a gun ???...Really ??

Even here in Florida, where we have over 1 Million CCW Permit Holders and you can carry most anywhere, even in City Hall.....you CAN'T carry in a bar, Period....You can carry in a restaurant like Applebee's but you can't sit at the bar, and at your dining table you still can't drink alcohol....Some may be dumb enough to do it, but if caught, permanent loss of permit, red flagged at FBI background check...and probably a criminal record....

Stephen-3584703 is nothing more than a trolling douche. Or this is the handle that Uncle Joe Biden is using on the forum...

StandUpJokeOff,

Any one who knows anything about guns, knows to open and check the chamber, when picking up a gun. Also to never put their finger on the trigger until on target, and of course never point the muzzle at anything that you don't want to shoot.

Bill: of course they do. But this woman, with a little handgun in her purse for her protection, didn't even know the thing was loaded! She did NOT deserve to have that weapon in her possession, if she couldn't even confirm whether or not there was a bullet in the chamber. And I'm sorry to say, there are more people who don't know how to treat their weapons properly than there are people that do.

And this incident was in Los Angeles, California, by the way. I talked with the proprietors of the bar and they have a no-gun policy in there... but you can't check everyone from head to toe, and they don't have the money for a metal detector. And, again, you can't trust every gun owner to be a RESPONSIBLE and KNOWLEDGEABLE gun owner, even if you are. I think the "surprise" bullet highlighted that fact.

L.A. just bought back 2,057 guns in their program, which they bumped up from May thanks to the Connecticut shootings. Sure wish hers had been one of them.

StandUpJokeOff: Any gun owner should know that the gun is Always loaded No Matter what anyone tells you. And a Weapons expert should have that ingrained in his mind!

That is my POINT! Gun owners are not always responsible enough to own that weapon in their possession!

Hey Ryan, LOL. Where are you getting such poor info? Check out the L.A. buyback. Educate yourself dude!

There will never be an end to gun sales.

And really, THAT is all that needs to be said.

We do not live in La-La Land, and never will.

really... so we should do the same for car manufacturers when people abandon cars and tax dollars have to pay for them to be taken away and recycled?

here's an idea... gun companies make effective guns that people abuse... drug companies make drugs that they and the FDA know are harmful and don't really work all that well... correctly prescribed drugs kill more people then guns in this nation and drug companies as well as doctors make billions on them... why don't you focus more on that!!!

if nuts like you are so bent on punishing gun companies then you better get ready for a long list of companies that make junk and garbage... at least gun companies make a good dependable product, it's the people that get their hands on them that are the failures and liability!

If I get first dibs on the pile I might chip in a couple bucks.

Timothy, now you are talking. Gun manufacturers are the best place to start, though, since they produce the only product designed to kill.

Ginsu Knife and Ronco have been in the same market for years.

Oh, and don't forget the baseball bat manufacturer's.

Listen up folks. Your reading skills are as effective as your rational abilities.

Some of the funds used in these buy backs is "$110,000 in forfeited money that the Attorney General's Office had provided. They gave $39,000 in IOUs that they will honor with future forfeited money" in at least one buy-back program.

Secondly, I cannot believe that you would so timidly cede your INALIENABLE right to self-defense for a pittance.

Bad guys aren't going to magically disappear by outlawing guns for the law abiding. In cases where seconds count - the police are only minutes away.

Where are the (previously) American traits of self-governance, self-reliance and personal accountability that formerly made our dearly won RIGHTS valuable and deserved?

Paranoid much? So much of the gun-crazy mentality is some apparent deep-seated fear of being victimized. Personally I'm inclined to go with that whole mental health angle the right keeps throwing around, and say gun ownership should be contingent on a major mental health screening and maybe we can filter out most of these right-wing nutjobs who feel convinced if they don't have a gun they're going to be murdered or locked away in FEMA trailers or some other ridiculous thing. Over the course of my entire life I think I'm only even aware of a single person I've known who has been a victim of random gun violence/crime, and I don't believe for a fraction of a second that situation could possibly have been improved by more guns.

Yeah, that's going to happen.

Same society that has passed CELL-FREE ZONES.........

IF you cannot police yourself.... someone will be put in charge of your actions for you.....

I'm trembling

I would bet a month's pay that most of the gun's turned in don't work. Why not get something for them? I also believe that if criminals are turning them in,it's to get rid of them so they can't be used as evidense. I can't believe the way people in this world are so easy to forget things. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong,but i think some of the worst serial killers,and mass murders,say for instance(the Boston Strangler) were not commited by gun's. I wish i could get the numbers of the amount of prisoner's who get killed every year(the ones no one hears about) with shanks,In prison.As far back as time will go their have been murders commited without gun's. I believe somewhere back in the days of Jesus on earth people were stoned to death.(BAN STONES)(BAN HAMMERS)(BAN KNIVES)(HELL JUST BAN EVERYTHING) Then for sure the slime of the world will do exactly what they want.The cops can't stop it. They don't print the times that some poor working stiff shoots someone breaking in his house in the night. He's a hero for protecting his family.Anyone remember the little 12 year old girl home by herself when a man broke in her house. She ran in a closet with a gun. When the man started opening the closet door,she shot him through the door. She saved herself from probably being raped.and butchered,and threw in a dumpster. Would the cops have got there in time if she would have called 911. I Doutb it.Of course she could have used a coathanger i guess. This hold thing is simple. If you don't want a gun,fine. But don't blame the ones of us who are smart enough to have one.

It's not solely about guns. It's about guns making things much much worse.

One of the factors may be that children are raised in a different manner. I wouldn't kill an insect..unless it could be harmful to me or one of my grandchildren. I don't shoot snakes. I only (in the past) shot creatures for the supper table. We trap, relocate pesky varmints such as coons, possums. My grand dad taught me as a child, all "critters" have a purpose. Why would you kill something just for the thrill of it? Today, There are adults who go to cock fights, dogfights and yes, people fights! My children were raised in a different manner. They are also gun owners. Further, since you won't play nice; You sir, are an ignorant ass!

BobW Very well put. This is the whole problem! When you turn your back on God, how do you expect him to be with you? When God was taken out the Devil had an open door in. That is when the violence began. I have read so many posts that called the people that believe in and worship God religious nuts and Bible bashers and that they were the problem of this country. I challenge these people to check the statistics on violence for when God was in school and government, and since he was taken out of school and government. When God was in, you never heard of these terrible acts of violence. Our forefathers built this country on a Godly principal, but Government has put it on a Devils principal by misrepresentation of separation of church and government to mean separation of church and God from government. The separation of church and government was meant to be that government had no control over church. When people realize that Jesus died on the cross for our sins and that He is the only way to salvation, and starts bringing prayer back, there will be a satan prevalent sociatiy. It is not the guns! It is the lack of GOD!

if they use my money to buy back guns, I got a problem with it.

Yes just like pardoning criminals for no other reason than they are criminals-oh sorry-undocumented.

Bill Stowers will just have to dial 911 and pray for them when someone breaks into his house. "Here is my $50 gift card Mr. Criminal, please don't shoot me after you rob me."

What do you bet that some of the officers cherry pick the valuable firearms out and take 'em home?

Looks like a scam to me.

No the lower class is selling guns they took in a burglary, and getting paid for their crime from the cops with tax dollars. F--king Brilliant program! The tax payer getting F--ked Twice...

Tony.

Insecurity is not the word you are looking for.

Security is.

Drive by a gun store or pawn shop in the morning.

Tell us what you see.

Go to Walmart and try to buy ammo.

You might not find it.

Why?

Because people who KNOW the government are not scared, they are protecting their rights against idiots who

have no clue as to why in these United States, they need to be armed.

That is all junior.

There you are again "warvet". (Ignorance personified! in caps)

I guess you're a card carrying member of the NRA or do you get your information from nbc, cnn, cbs.

Hitler, Stalin, Kadaffi, Pol Pot, Mao; etc. etc. The Sleeper must awaken.

Don't for get bush and bush jr. rumblenut

Yes and surely dont forget Obummer and Chappaquiddick Ted.

Ban assault weapons.