Gunman dead after shooting 3 cops at N.J. police station

Three New Jersey police officers are in the hospital after being shot inside a police station by a man being processed for a domestic incident. MSNBC's Thomas Roberts reports.

The gunman who shot three officers after a "violent struggle" at a New Jersey police station early Friday is dead, officials said.

The suspected shooter had been brought into Gloucester Township Police station for a domestic incident when he got into a confrontation with officers, reported NBC's Philadelphia affiliate, NBC 10.


"A violent struggle occurred while the suspect was being processed," Deputy Chief David Harkins said. The man was able to grab a gun and then opened fire.

One of the injured officers, who was rushed to surgery after being shot below his bulletproof vest, is listed in stable condition. The other two were treated for graze wounds and released. 

The shooter was killed by police during the confrontation, according to Chief W. Harry Earle. The investigation was ongoing. 

Gloucester is located in central New Jersey, about 15 miles outside Philadelphia.

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Reply#28 - Fri Dec 28, 2012 8:31 AM EST

Sorry, no octomom news today.

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#28.1 - Fri Dec 28, 2012 8:33 AM EST
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First, Gloucester is South Jersey, not Central. Next, New Jersey already has tough gun laws (which can screw up the lives of otherwise innocent people who are ignorant of the law) and an anti-gun mentality. It took five months for my local police to process an address change on my Firearms ID card, during which time I could not purchase any new firearms or pistol ammunition from a NJ licensed dealer. I'm waiting to hear what the details were in this case.

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Reply#29 - Fri Dec 28, 2012 8:33 AM EST

Using Mr. LaPierre's logic I guess we should put armed teachers in police stations.

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Reply#30 - Fri Dec 28, 2012 8:34 AM EST

Ha, Ha, I like that response. Let's see what the NRA says now.

    #30.1 - Fri Dec 28, 2012 8:50 AM EST

    I'm convinced we should arm girl scouts.

      #30.2 - Fri Dec 28, 2012 8:53 AM EST
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      Well isnt this the top story of the year, another person with a gun. At least he didnt bust into a school and open fire. These guys here has the opportunity to shoot back. I guess they were caught off guard, not use to someone shooting at them...only wish you could hear the sarcasm in my voice...not fun getting six warning shots in the BACK is it...

        Reply#31 - Fri Dec 28, 2012 8:35 AM EST

        In other words, the "good guys" with guns were shot by the "bad guys" with guns, wonder what ridiculous remarks the NRA will come up with now?

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        Reply#32 - Fri Dec 28, 2012 8:36 AM EST

        Maybe point out that if the police didn't have guns, more cops would have been shot and the "perp" would have gotten away....sound logical?

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        #32.1 - Fri Dec 28, 2012 8:43 AM EST

        Mama. How do you know that they were good guys? I can assure you that just because they were cops, that does not guarantee you that they were good guys.

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        #32.2 - Fri Dec 28, 2012 8:49 AM EST
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        Why are we not reading "they blew his Fkn head off ?" It was a police station.

        Wasn't it said by our esteemed NRA spokesman, Wayne LaPierre "the only way to stop a bad guy with a gun, is a good guy with a gun" So, WTF happened here? Did the good guys with guns, stop him dead, or not?

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        Reply#33 - Fri Dec 28, 2012 8:42 AM EST

        Updated a minute ago:

        "The shooter was killed during the confrontation at the station, said police chief W. Harry Earle"

        Those are the "good guys" we WANT heavily armed. Not every yahoo on the street.

        Always good to hear when a whacko gets whacked! What do they call that, suicide by police? Fk him, you know that boy wanted to die. At least he didn't go after a bunch of kids, or folks watching a movie. Good ridance. get well soon Good Guys!!

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        #33.1 - Fri Dec 28, 2012 8:55 AM EST
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        When God told the Israelites that they must destroy all the inhabitants of those that live in the promise land, He knew and understood that you cannot compromise with evil, all evil must be eradicated. The Israelites failed to eradicate the evil. The truth of God’s WORD reveals that… The heart is deceitful above all things and beyond cure. Who can understand it? Jeremiah 17:9.
        The war of good vs. evil in the spiritual realm is just as real in thenatural realm and this war will continue until the Man of Peace, Christ Jesus is place upon His Throne and the nations of the world made His footstool.

        We saw the face of evil in Adolf Hitler reign of terror which began with the confiscation of personal firearms. Their efforts to ban weapons was the work of evil to rule over and control man, just as the Liberals efforts are to do the same today. The liberals can’t understand the ways or the thoughts of God, because: The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left. Ecclesiastes
        10:2.

        The statement Ronald Reagan made about government being the problem was on the money and nothing can change man’s heart to turn from evil to good except faith in God…. But the desires of the godless leaders in our government are to remove God from every aspect of our society, thus evil is free to invade every area of our society. God's WORD promises us that at the end of this age evil will increase more and more until the return of our LORD and Savior Christ Jesus is seated upon His Throne.... So we can expect to see many more senseless killings in our future.
        Guns are just as much a benefit for good as they are for evil, are we to ban poisons, knifes and cars because they kill thousands every year?

        If America is really interested in stopping this madnessbegin inviting God back into our government, schools and universes. Godly government leaders and godly parents teaching God’s WORD is infinitely more effective in stopping violence than banning any weapons.

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        Reply#34 - Fri Dec 28, 2012 8:43 AM EST

        Are you for real?

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        #34.1 - Fri Dec 28, 2012 8:45 AM EST

        Watchman. I gave you a like because some of your post is correct, but I will give you a few examples of Evil. Evil Republicans want to take away Social Security. Evil Republicans want to take away Medicare. Evil Republicans want to take away Planned Parent Hood. Evil Republicans want to take away Womens Rights. Evil Republicans want to take away Contraception. Evil Republicans say to a woman, I doubt if it was a Legal Rape, and if it was a legal rape, a womans body has away to take care of that. Evil Republicans say that if a womanis Raped and impregnated, God wanted that to happen. Evil Republicans want to take away healthcare for everyone. I am just giving you a few examples of the EVIL Republicans, but I could go on forever. Watchman, Watch who you are calling EVIL, and look into the Mirror.

          #34.2 - Fri Dec 28, 2012 9:01 AM EST

          My God is pretty LIBERAL, not vengeful or hateful that's mans area of expertise and mans depiction of God is flawed as all humans are inherently flawed. I don't think he'd like the words you're using in his name either!!!

            #34.3 - Fri Dec 28, 2012 9:50 AM EST

            "When God told the Israelites that they must destroy all the inhabitants of those that live in the promise land, He knew and understood that you cannot compromise with evil, all evil must be eradicated."

            "Evil," or, you know, the people who were already living there and didn't want to move even though God had clearly chosen their land for someone else. Right?

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            #34.4 - Fri Dec 28, 2012 11:39 AM EST
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            well isnt this the top story of the year, another man with a gun. At least he didnt bust into a school and open fire. these guys here had the opportunity to shoot back...(sarcasm) Guess they didnt see that one coming...dont feel good getting six warning shots in the back does it...(mor sarcasm) I feel there is more of this to come. People are getting tired of dirty cops and retarded government.

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            Reply#35 - Fri Dec 28, 2012 8:47 AM EST

            People have been tired of crooks that think the law doesn't apply to them, robbing, stealing, assaulting and killing honest citizens. People like you that lump ALL police officers into the "dirty" cops basket are just as bad as the bad cops that lump honest citizens into the "criminal" basket. The majority of our society is comprized of honest, decent people. For the thousands of police officers working in our society the majority of them are honest, decent people. You are just as bad as they are. You judge the whole by the actions of a few. If you think you can do a better job....then do it.

              #35.1 - Fri Dec 28, 2012 4:03 PM EST
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              Well there goes the ban on guns theory...the cops would be required to enforce the ban...yet a gunman walks into the magic box called a police station and starts banning cops...and these are the same cops everyone is hanging their hopes on to protect children in schools...they can't even protect themselves...

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              Reply#36 - Fri Dec 28, 2012 8:48 AM EST

              Considering three police officers were injured (none killed) and the gunman was shot dead by police, I think the police did a fine job of defending themselves.

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              #36.1 - Fri Dec 28, 2012 8:50 AM EST

              Sooo Ban handguns

              Police can keep them.

                #36.2 - Fri Dec 28, 2012 8:54 AM EST

                The responsibility to defend yourself ultimately rests with YOU. You can't count on the police, the military, or your mother to do it for you.

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                #36.3 - Fri Dec 28, 2012 9:02 AM EST

                Akash -

                "Considering three police officers were injured (none killed) and the gunman was shot dead by police, I think the police did a fine job of defending themselves."

                The objective of a gun ban is to ensure the perp doesn't have a gun...I hate having to explain the basics...anyway getting shot in their own house at 3 to 1 odds doesn't seem like the cops made the place safe...

                  #36.4 - Fri Dec 28, 2012 9:39 AM EST

                  @ Dee

                  LOL. You're funny. A gun ban only disarms law abiding citizens, you know the ones who actually pay attention to & follow the law. Criminals don't give a rats ass about you or your stupid laws/restrictions/bans. You are living on fantasy island.

                  A ban would:

                  1. create a huge black market for guns, just like there is for illicit drugs

                  2. make gun running cartels filthy rich

                  3. turn many current law abiding gun owners into criminals because many of the 85+ million gun owners in the U.S. would not turn in their guns

                  4. add 100,000s to the unemployment lines

                  a. people who work for the gun manufacturers

                  b, people employed by gun shops/gun ranges

                  c. people employed by the countless companies that make accessories for the firearms industry

                  d. a large number of the people employed by ammo manufacturers

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                  #36.5 - Fri Dec 28, 2012 10:43 AM EST
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                  Watchman, you need a job with no access to a computer.

                  You must know, that even God, dosen't want to listen to your crazy ass rants. Go back to the Jehova Witness temple, and talk to the people who want to listen to that rhetoric. I send them away, respectfully.

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                  Reply#37 - Fri Dec 28, 2012 8:48 AM EST

                  He read that the insane will inherit the earth.

                    #37.1 - Fri Dec 28, 2012 8:49 AM EST

                    Updated a minute ago:

                    "The shooter was killed during the confrontation at the station, said police chief W. Harry Earle"

                    I would hope so........

                    • 1 vote
                    #37.2 - Fri Dec 28, 2012 8:54 AM EST

                    You would think.

                      #37.3 - Fri Dec 28, 2012 8:56 AM EST

                      Shawn D. Not me I tell them to get off of my Property and then Slam the door in there face.

                        #37.4 - Fri Dec 28, 2012 9:06 AM EST

                        was, I just can't be that harsh.

                        I'd like to kick em in the ass on the way, but can't bring myself to do it.

                        I know they are well meaning (but still obnoxious!) sometimes, I just say "I'm an atheist" but that only gets them going on how they want to save me....

                          #37.5 - Fri Dec 28, 2012 9:19 AM EST
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                          According to a "real" news story. The cops were shot at in a stairwell in the station. The suspect was shot and killed. I guess they did do their job after all. Maybe this news media should stop with their agenda and "report" the news.

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                          Reply#38 - Fri Dec 28, 2012 8:50 AM EST

                          Same old false arguments over guns on this site. The facts are simple more guns in the hands of the general public the more gun deaths. Yea it's that simple!

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                          Reply#39 - Fri Dec 28, 2012 8:52 AM EST

                          The facts are simple more guns in the hands of the general public the more gun deaths.

                          If this is indeed a fact, you should have no problem finding data to back it up. Please provide a link.

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                          #39.1 - Fri Dec 28, 2012 10:00 AM EST

                          @ Dave

                          The FBI Uniform Crime Report numbers say differently. Gun ownership has been increasing every year, especially since Obama got into office the 1st time.

                          The fact is that the murder rate & murder rate by firearms has been dropping every year.

                          Total Murders by year (FBI stats):

                          2006-15,087

                          2007-14,916

                          2008-14,224

                          2009-13,752

                          2010-12,996

                          2011-12,664

                          Total Murders by firearms:

                          2006-10,225

                          2007-10,129

                          2008-9,528

                          2009-9,199

                          2010-8,775

                          2011-8,583

                          Number of NICS checks per year:

                          2006-10,000,000

                          2007-11,000,000

                          2008-12,000,000

                          2009-14,000,000

                          2010-14,560,000

                          2011-15,142,400

                          Most Murders by Firearm by state (2011):

                          1. CA-1,220

                          2. TX-699

                          3. PA-470

                          4. MI-450

                          5. NY-445

                          Seems 4 out of the top 5 are blue states according to the last election. Illinois had 377 firearm related murders, but they had incomplete data so the number is possibly under reported.

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                          #39.2 - Fri Dec 28, 2012 10:48 AM EST

                          According to the FBI Uniform Crime report for 2011:

                          12,664 murders in the U.S.

                          Out of the total above 8,583 were murders by firearms, broken down as follows:

                          6,220 committed by handguns

                          323 committed by rifles

                          356 committed by shotguns

                          1,684 committed by unknown type of firearms

                          1,694 committed by knives or cutting instruments

                          1,659 committed by other weapons

                          728 committed by hands/fists/feet etc..

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                          #39.3 - Fri Dec 28, 2012 10:48 AM EST
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                          Comment author avatarJudy Powersvia Facebook

                          people are just plum crazy. no where is safe don't want my kids hanging out at the mall with their friends,they are worried about their school we can't let fear run our lives but taking guns away isn't the answer. maybe a extensive physological test is the answer before selling guns

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                          Reply#40 - Fri Dec 28, 2012 8:52 AM EST

                          or taking guns away is the answer.

                            #40.1 - Fri Dec 28, 2012 8:55 AM EST

                            @takenaka

                            A ban would:

                            1. create a huge black market for guns, just like there is for illicit drugs

                            2. make gun running cartels filthy rich

                            3. turn many current law abiding gun owners into criminals because many of the 85+ million gun owners in the U.S. would not turn in their guns

                            4. add 100,000s to the unemployment lines

                            a. people who work for the gun manufacturers

                            b, people employed by gun shops/gun ranges

                            c. people employed by the countless companies that make accessories for the firearms industry

                            d. a large number of the people employed by ammo manufacturers

                            Yeah, a ban would really be a big success at least with the gun running cartels.

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                            #40.2 - Fri Dec 28, 2012 10:50 AM EST
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                            maybe the cops need gun training?

                              Reply#41 - Fri Dec 28, 2012 9:01 AM EST

                              So, after this incident, let us get 50 cops at every school with 2 guns and a riffle each, and see if that helps---- I guess there will more gun business, I hope Romney" investment" has them made here though---

                              On second thought, let all the kids have 9 millimeter guns, like I had in the mil, so they can get stated on training for the Iraq and Afghan attacks/oil exploration of the future!, and I guess we can finally cut down on school taxes when most of them are gone, because obviously for most here the education does not help much.

                                Reply#42 - Fri Dec 28, 2012 9:01 AM EST

                                Guess we don't want our children hanging out anywhere near police stations.. dangerous places.

                                Can't wait to hear Chubs Christy's take on this.

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                                Reply#43 - Fri Dec 28, 2012 9:02 AM EST

                                For all you folks trying to make a point with your little comments about "I guess we should arm police officers, etc". Here's my response to your mindless drivel:

                                No one ever said a gun was a guarantee, but it does give you a fighting chance. There will be times where the good guys lose but keep in mind that ensuring the good guys have guns too works out favorably quite often. Having guns may not have saved these three officers but if you'll kindly turn your attention to another story currently on the front page of MSNBC, you'll see that Officer deaths are down 23% nationally. Being a police officer isn't even one of the most hazerdous jobs in America. Do you think that maybe it's because a vast majority of people are deterred from attacking them because of their pepper spray, or because of their guns? Here's a quote from the article:

                                "despite its dangerous image, police work isn't among the most hazardous jobs in the U.S. The death totals work out to about 1.56 per every 100,000 sworn federal, state and local officers across the country — less than half the rate of 3.5 per 100,000 for U.S. workers in all jobs in 2011, the last year for which complete figures were available from the Bureau of Labor Statistics".

                                Let's remember, a police officers gun is for his own safety, not your safety. YOUR gun is for your safety. Police chase a criminal AFTER he's committed a crime. Citizens deal with crimninals WHILE they're committing a crime. I have just as much of a right to have an AR-15 with a 30 round magazine to defend my house and family as a Police Officer does to defend his life. What do I need with a 30 round magazine? Just ask my neighbor who was attacked in his home by three assailants, who each has a 9mm handgun holding 10 rounds each. He didn't believe in high capacity magazines either until that night. He now owns an AR-15 with 30 round magazines.... the same guns the police felt the need for when they were attempting to track down those same assailants in the woods later that night.

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                                Reply#44 - Fri Dec 28, 2012 9:03 AM EST

                                Talk about dumb response. LMAO CNorton

                                  #44.1 - Fri Dec 28, 2012 9:39 AM EST

                                  Must be why my comments are garnering more support than yours. Obviously the rest of us are dumber than you. Nice Alvin and the Chipmunks avatar by the way. I used to watch them 35 years ago when I was young and naive too.

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                                  #44.2 - Fri Dec 28, 2012 11:05 AM EST
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                                  The NRA and other gun advocates assure us that these incidents never happen when good guys with guns are present. Wishing the officers a quick recovery.

                                    Reply#45 - Fri Dec 28, 2012 9:04 AM EST

                                    Glad the officers are OK. And yes, the NRA types said shooters always go for gun free zones. More guns more crime.

                                      #45.1 - Fri Dec 28, 2012 9:09 AM EST
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                                      Police have confirmed that the gunman who opened fire inside the Gloucester Township, New Jersey police station has been shot and killed.

                                      Three police officers were injured during the shooting, Friday morning.

                                      It happened around 5:30 a.m. on the 1200 block of Chews Landing Road.

                                      Police say the suspect was brought in for a domestic incident when he got into a confrontation with officers.

                                      The suspect grabbed a gun and opened fire. He was shot and killed by police. Do a little research before posting stupid comments...

                                      http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local/Shooting-at-Camden-County-Police-Station-185032181.html

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                                      Reply#46 - Fri Dec 28, 2012 9:07 AM EST

                                      Every time I hear the 2nd amendment argument I want to vomit. This isn't the 1700s when guns took a minute to reload. Yes I know if you get rid of the guns that there will be someone who will obtain one and rob a 7 Eleven but robbers and thieves just want the money and don't walk into schools and massacre kindergarten kids by the dozens. We have amended the Constitution before and it's time to amend the 2nd Amendment of the Constitution.

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                                      Reply#47 - Fri Dec 28, 2012 9:07 AM EST

                                      Dave,

                                      If you're willing to take a pair of scissors to the Second Amendment because of Newtown, make sure you also amend the First because of Westboro Baptist while you're at it.

                                      You guys need to realize people fought and died for these freedoms. They weren't idiots. They knew what it took to be Free.... and they certainly didn't give their lives for these freedoms just so some guy named Dave and others like him could chop up the Constitution on a kneee jerk reaction after suffering from information overload because they're spending half their lives on the internet reading biased information about gun violence.

                                      • 3 votes
                                      #47.1 - Fri Dec 28, 2012 9:17 AM EST

                                      Thanks for making my point for me. Just like I said Same old 1700s argument. Excuse me while I go and VOMIT as I promised.

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                                      #47.2 - Fri Dec 28, 2012 9:20 AM EST

                                      By the way CNorton we took the scissors to the Constitution over slavery and many other issues. To bad. If we hadn't we could still have slaves to do our work for us. I bet if it was you child it wouldn't be so knee jerk.

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                                      #47.3 - Fri Dec 28, 2012 9:28 AM EST

                                      CNorton is a tea party supporter I bet. Their so called concern is not about the constitution but about their own greed of me, me, ,me, and their rights period. They want more guns for one reason and we all know the answer to that one, and it is not just personal safety. Just to dam cowardly to admit the real reason.

                                        #47.4 - Fri Dec 28, 2012 9:42 AM EST

                                        By the way CNorton we took the scissors to the Constitution over slavery and many other issues.

                                        Really? Adding to the Constitution is not taking a scissors to it. As a Constitutional scholar it should be no problem for you to point out the pro-slavery clause that was later repealed.

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                                        #47.5 - Fri Dec 28, 2012 10:06 AM EST

                                        Spot: "CNorton is a tea party supporter I bet".

                                        Incorrect. The Gadsen Flag is rooted in my home state and I chose it as my avatar for that reason. I have voted both Democrat and Republican in my lifetime. I am not a member of either major political party and couldn't even tell you which wing nut supposedly runs the fringe group we're calling the Tea Party nowadays. But seeing as how we're making assumptions based on trivial observations, it now makes perfect sense that your immature comments are backed by an Alvin and the Chipmunks avatar.

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                                        #47.6 - Fri Dec 28, 2012 11:14 AM EST

                                        Dave: "Thanks for making my point for me. Just like I said Same old 1700s argument. Excuse me while I go and VOMIT as I promised".

                                        You sure don't seem to have any issue with using that same "old 1700's" First Amendment to voice your opinion do you? So if your argument is "if it's old, it must be outdated and irrelevant" then I'm not real sure how to rationalize with you. I prefer to think of it as "tried and true" instead of old and outdated. Are you sure that it's my argument that's making you want to vomit or is it the aftertaste of your own words?

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                                        #47.7 - Fri Dec 28, 2012 11:19 AM EST
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                                        To be saved EVERYBODY SHOULD GO OUT OF THE HOUSE IN VERY HEAVY ARMOR starting from day care's children to seniors.

                                          Reply#48 - Fri Dec 28, 2012 9:07 AM EST

                                          Many of these incidents in my opinion should be considered domestic terrorism because they are being committed for their shock value. They don't achieve anything for the perpetrators other than death and notoriety and a terrorized population which puts these incidents in a class by themselves. So we need to think outside traditional ideas to find a solution. Unfortunately I wish I had the answers, but I am fairly confident that arming everyone or disarming everyone won't solve the problem. That said though, for me in the current climate I would rather have the means to protect myself and others if confronted by a bad situation than be a helpless victim. I pray for the police officers and their families.

                                          • 1 vote
                                          Reply#49 - Fri Dec 28, 2012 9:08 AM EST
                                          Comment author avatarBill Gabrielvia Facebook

                                          The gun nuts and the N.R.A. love to say that a crazy guy who wants to kill people will think twice before going into a place where he knows people are carrying guns, well there goes that theory.

                                            Reply#50 - Fri Dec 28, 2012 9:10 AM EST

                                            Actually the guy was arrested and taken to the station. Next.

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                                            #50.1 - Fri Dec 28, 2012 10:08 AM EST
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                                            Seems people put way to much faith in just because they are police officers they are automatically trained gun experts, I once watched a 12 yr. boy out shoot 6 Kansas city Policemen at a shooting range. After it was said and done two were so bad of a shot, one of their buddy shot for them so they could qualify to carry to a gun for the year. So just because they are in blue doesn’t make them an expert in anything..

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                                            Reply#51 - Fri Dec 28, 2012 9:10 AM EST

                                            Why does someone have to always bring up some isolated incident to make a stupid point. YES we know there times when the norm doesn't apply.

                                              #51.1 - Fri Dec 28, 2012 9:17 AM EST

                                              These are ISOLATED INCIDENTS!!! They aren't the "NORM" so your inference is stupid davelotsanumbers

                                                #51.2 - Fri Dec 28, 2012 10:35 AM EST
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                                                If only there had been someone armed with a high powered AK 47 no one would have attempted to take over the police station.

                                                NOT

                                                This line is getting as old as "Guns don't kill people - people do". I am so freakin tired of NRA dribble.

                                                If you could see their crystal palace in Fairfax you would wonder about all the money they have and where it came from. Betcha those executives get millions of bucks to spew out the same lines shooting after shooting.

                                                  Reply#52 - Fri Dec 28, 2012 9:10 AM EST

                                                  Obviously ..."someone with a high powered AK 47" wasn't needed but ya have to admit through all your sheeple posturing "a good guy with a GUN' STOPPED a "bad guy with a GUN!" ...and BTW ...the guns just waltzed in and went off by themselves?...well, did they? or was a "people" doin the shooting? Common sense ain't so common sometimes...might try a little once in a while.

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                                                  #52.1 - Fri Dec 28, 2012 9:24 AM EST

                                                  So cassie, you are saying that the police didnt kill the assailant, the gun did? Because if that was your relative, I bet you wouldnt be suing the gun company and putting them in jail. You'd probably want justice from the shooter.

                                                  I guess thats the fundamental shift here. Guns kill people until someone wants to make others pay for the loss of loved ones. THEN, it was the person and not the gun.

                                                    #52.2 - Fri Dec 28, 2012 11:37 AM EST
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