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An undated photo provided by the Las Vegas Police Department shows Jade Morris, 10.
Authorities on Friday identified a body found in an undeveloped housing tract in North Las Vegas as Jade Morris, 10, who was last seen Dec. 21 with a suspect in a casino slashing case. The girl, whose body was discovered on Thursday, died of multiple stab wounds, officials from the Clark County coroner's office said.
Jade's family say they last saw her about 5 p.m. on Dec. 21 with Brenda Stokes, who had picked her up to go Christmas shopping. Family members say the girl had a close relationship with Stokes, who used to date her father.
Stokes, 50, was arrested later that night after prosecutors say she slashed a co-worker at the Bellagio casino with razor blades. Stokes appeared in court in that case Friday, when a judge raised her bail to $600,000.
Las Vegas police homicide Capt. Chris Jones said earlier on Friday that Stokes, who also uses the name Brenda Wilson, had not cooperated in the investigation of the girl's whereabouts.
A passer-by called 911 about noon Thursday, and North Las Vegas police found a girl's body in brush near palm trees in a small traffic circle, about 10 miles from the downtown Las Vegas outlet mall where Stokes was to have taken the girl shopping.
Stokes picked up the girl at about 5 p.m. and two hours later returned to another friend the red 2007 Saab sedan that she borrowed for the shopping trip, Jones said.
Later, Stokes got a ride with a friend to the Bellagio resort on the Las Vegas Strip, where she was arrested after authorities say she attacked a female co-worker, Joyce Rhone, with a razor in each hand as Rhone dealt blackjack about 9:30 p.m.
Rhone, 44, was hospitalized with deep cuts on her face, including one from her ear to the edge of her mouth. A police arrest report said Rhone also had several smaller cuts around her right eye.
Clark County Detention Center
Brenda Stokes, 50, is shown in a booking photo.
Records show that Stokes was being held at the Clark County jail on charges of felony battery with a weapon, burglary and mayhem charges that could get her decades in prison. No charges stemming from Jade's death have been filed.
The arrest report says casino video shows Stokes attacking Rhone before a casino patron and security officers intervene. Officer Marcus Martin said the video is evidence that may be shown by prosecutors in court but will not be made public by police.
Police said Stokes later told investigators that she attacked Rhone over harassing phone calls and an unspecified betrayal that ended their seven-year friendship.
Stokes also told police she visited her doctor last week, seeking to be admitted to a hospital "due to feeling like she wanted to hurt someone."
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Why didn't the doctor do something when she told him she thought she wanted to hurt someone? Maybe, just maybe, bad things would not have happened. It is so sad.
Maybe she never told a doctor that. Maybe she was trying to set herself up for a good insanity defense. They have yet to find the doctor she told that too. If she really did go to a doctor and he/she did not have her admitted than I believe they should be charged with something for not admitting this woman.
The original article before Morris' body was found mentioned that she did tell that to a doctor, now MindieKnows. Rest in peace Jade.
Oops misread your post Mindie, got what you're saying now.
Kids should not be dying this young. This breaks my heart. Again, I hope someone beat the snot out of her in prison and the law comes crushing down on her. I do not care if she is crazy or not.
RIP little Jade.
Whether or not she told a doctor isn't the point, she has to have a mental problem to do the things she did, a sane person doesn't arm themselves with 2 razor knives and attack someone in the middle of a casino. Which just proves that it doesn't matter if she is mentally ill, lock her up for the rest of he life, and if she did murder the little girl then take her out back and put her down like a rabid dog, this is the only way to make 100% sure she never does it again.
Whether or not she told a doctor is precisely the point. James Holmes visited a psychiatrist before he started shooting up the theater in Aurora. The psychiatrist informed CU authorities that she considered him to be dangerous. They did nothing (and two officers have lost their jobs). The system is failing.
OMG...now it's the doctor's fault? When will this ever end?
The doctor does have a responsibility to act on it, if she did indeed tell him. Like Mindie said, she may have told the police that to cover herself, but she has to know they'll check it out. My thinking is she did tell a doctor but he/she didn't feel it was an immediate danger, or perhaps she downplayed it when she spoke to him/her. We'll have to see what the investigation uncovers.
Something needs to be done!
Most likely she did not have health insurance. This country needs to change in regards to the way it deals with mental illness. If this is the reason they did not take her in, then...they need to be sued (yeah, the ugly word) so they will never let a person on the street again who is looking for help. Shame on the hospital who actually caused this to happen. My opinion only. But, we have seen too much of this stuff. Mentally ill people coming in for help BEFORE they kill, being turned down and then going out on the street to do this. This is AMERICA, we are supposed to be BETTER than this. Shame on us.The world does pay attention to this kind of thing. As do many international organizations.
She worked for Bellagio. The casinos provide health insurance for their employees.
Evidently there is some suspicion that the girl's father, her boyfriend, was having an affair with the woman she slashed. The speculation is that she killed the little girl to get back at the dad for cheating on her.
This is just so tragic.
Good question...........how messed up! Who stabs and kills a 10 year old? Too many horrible things hapening in this world lately. Sickening.
The laws were changed in the Eighties so that Reagan could eliminate the psych hospitals, empty all the hospitals, create the homeless population and create the tax cuts he promised in his presidential campaign. That's one of the reasons we don't have proper mental health care today: people have to commit a crime before they can be committed.
It's despicable.
What is the doctor suppossed to do really? No hospital is going to admit you for that. Don't try and place blame with the doctor. It is soley the fault of the perpetrator. Another nut that should just be put out of their misery for the benefit of mankind.
Doctors hate paperwork. Call 50 Family doctors tomorrow and tell them you want to be seen as a Labor and Industries (workers compensation) patient - see how many take you as a patient.
Doctors love to talk you down from the cliff - once they start telling you of the freedom you will lose, you back off your demands to be treated. Sane people can't preach about freedom and then expect those with mental problems to not value their freedom also. My ex wife and I tried to get her bi-polar son to take his meds - wasn't happening - why give up a natural high - in his mind everyone else was screwed up.
With so many hypochondriacs in the world - how is a doctor to know who is ill and who isn't? My ex wife thought she needed an operation even if she got a bump on her ass.
Denver Bill is correct (don't tell him I said that); we are a failing society. I don't watch the show "What Would You Do", but it sure makes a valid point - you either get involved or you don't.
If she was going to hurt herself or someone else she could have easily gone to a hospital and checked herself in for mental evaluation. How sad that yet another child has died at the hands of a crazy person.....yes, a crazy person..they are the only ones that kill other people..sane people don't that's for sure.
My heart goes out to Jade's family for their loss.
In fact, Reagan began closing the mental hospitals in California when he was still governor. It is the single thing I most hold against him. It isn't just about allowing dangerous people to roam the streets. It is also about allowing people with mental illness to live on the street without food or shelter. It is about expecting a mentally ill person to administer his own medications without supervision. Most schizophrenics are only dangerous to themselves. They are delusional and confused and incapable of supporting themselves or protecting themselves from predatory humans who abuse and rape and steal from them because they are unable to defend themselves. We are all culpable. It is akin to turning cancer patients out on the streets without money or food. These are people with a disease that affects their ability to take care of themselves. We owe them better than this. We owe the public at large a willingness to confine those few mentally ill individuals who are dangerous to others before they murder 27 people.
Rest In Peace, little Jade.
Oh God. This just makes me so sad.
Another Angel in Heaven..........................RIP little one.
seems like some posting want to blame the doctor....I just wonder what the doctor can do. I am sure they heard it all from people wanting drugs. Do they really have a place that they are authorized to send them? Such a sad thing that the little girl has been killed by another crazy but beings that all seem to be related in one way or another looks like she did just what she wanted to do all along...
One thing to consider is that it was reported that Brenda Stokes took anti-anxiety medication and had just stopped taking it. It would be interesting to know what she was on. Many serotonin re uptake inhibitors are prescribed for anxiety and you have to be weaned off of them. You can't just stop without there sometimes being severe consequences. I had a friend who girlfriend took Paxil and if she missed a dose by just a few hours she became a nightmare. I still have visions of her twirling a Nintendo 64 controller over her head like a bolo and letting it fly at my friend's head. Every time she missed a dose. Every time.
Lock up all women going through menopause...lol.
How truly awful that a beautiful child has lost her life to someone she completely trusted. Only someone who has gone through something similar surely could understand the terror in her last moments of life. As she realized the betrayal, and horror she had to endure. What ever punishment her killer faces, will never be enough to compensate for the nightmare which was forced upon this innocent life taken all too soon.
The questions of how mentally stable, the motive and what consequences her murderer won't change the fact the world has been deprived of this precious child's life. Though it may have to wait while the slow wheels of justice turn and it pays the costs to keep such spinning. One thing is for certain though. No matter how much any criminal pays, it will never be enough. The innocence of childhood taken is priceless.
May this sweet little child be a peace, her loving family find comfort in the love and memories they have her.I hope all those who knew her receive the strength and peace they need to get through the days ahead.
My prayers and heart goes out to the family of the little girl. Now a days it is getting where you can't trust anyone! Little children need to be protected not hurt! This was a beautiful child who deserved more in life than what she got.
Condolences to the family and friends. Such a beautiful girl.
Our thoughts and prayers are with you.
if i had a sister she would look just like that...ok...i lost the election again...troll harder dang it...get's get'n near the end of the year...i turn ornery...
They should have put her on a hold. It is mandatory in every state...I believe. If a person is suicidal or homicidal physicians are suppose to admit for a 72 hr hold.
So sad...another murder that could have probably been prevented had someone been listening.
Fly high precious Jade.
mmm1379
All healthcare worker are mandated reporters. Whomever approaches me with the phrase the want to hurt someone. It is our duty to call the police and contain the person until the correct specialist arrives. To assess the patient. We cannot walk away.
Yes I have been looking for someone to reply to. As a nurse in the medical profession, it is mandated that if a person is found to be a threat to themselves or others it is to be reported and handled appropriately. That is why our facility has a suicide protocol. Especially if a person mentions that they want to hurt someone.
If it is a particular person that person is to be notified as well.
RIP Jade. No one can hurt you now.
Thank God this psycho didn't have an AR15 handy. This muderous outburst of hers could have ended up being yet another tragic mass murder tarnishing the psyche of our great nation.
My prayers are with the poor little girl and her family.
People go to see a doctors all day long seeking drugs.... So if you really need a drug you'll have lost your privileges for getting them unless there is proof that they are needed.... Actions like that cost all of us the freedom to what we need easily....
Many or most of the state operated i.e. the public institutions have been closed. The initial plan that was started in the 1960s was for the mentally ill folks to be cared for in smaller facilities and then in the community healthcare setting. Unfortunately the ptb closed down these large institutions but did not provide the community housing, care and support setting for these folks like the ptbs stated that they would. It appears that instead of transitioning these mentally ill folks into the community care setting they let them out on the street from the look of things so the PTBs can sell off the realestate to the highest donor... er... bidder. Case in point... Florida closed down the last state institution that cared for people with TB earlier this year in April or there abouts - if I am not mistaken- even although it appears that some patients still had active tb needing treatment i.e there was an active outbreak of tb needing treatment. They did not inform anyone that the (former) patients were still infected and that some were mentally ill if I am not mistaken. Imagine a mentally ill patient who stop taking his/her antipsychotic meds..... think they are going to keep taking their TB meds? LOL Hence an outbreak of TB in the general population of Florida, that no one is talking about. This is the sort of thing that happens when States blindly close their public health institutions whether it was for treating TB or treatment of mental illness.... people get hurt and some folks die.
Many of these patient in these institutions need to be in an institution and some are already instutionalized because they have been there for years. No way are some of these folks fit or will ever be fit to be amoung the general public, as they remain a threat to themselves and to others. But it is amazing how some of these folks got fit and competent quickly before discharge.... LOL
The prison population have increased perhaps with more of the mentally ill now as prisoners who may not even be getting any treatment in jail/prison, all because these folks may have stopped taking their meds and then did something threatening on the outside. To be hospitalized in a hospital the person would have to do something that would be perceived as threatening in a more posh neighbourhood. Acting wackyzoid or threatening in le ghetto only get the mentally ill person ignored.... untreated ....and being looked upon as the person supposedly acting/behaving normal for the area or if the offense was bad enough, then thrown in jail.. LOL
Anyhoo, the closing of these institutions is all about the real estate. Many of these institutions were built out in the countryside and were set up like a small village with roads, beautiful buildings, farmlands etc . With developers moving more and more out into the countryside, these former institutions become very desirable properties because they already have infrastructure in place like roads, sewer and water pipes, electricity and big buildings that can be converted into highpriced condos and other land space where the developer can build townhomes and single family homes. Imagine a public institution sitting on some prime real estate.... think the patients in these institutions matter to making mucho bucks for some folks... wink wink.
It seems that it depends on the State where the person resides how the mentally ill person is treated/handled. In some States the Colorado shooter and this woman would have been hospitalized for a mental evaluation in the first place instead of their utterances about harming themselves or others being ignored like was done in both these cases from the look of things. A lot of CYA will be going on... including trying to state that the person never seriously sought any mental help... seriously... lol
The tighter the State budgets the more we will be hearing about this sort of thing. Although being admitted for a mental health eval does not mean the person will actually get the eval. Wasn't there a case where a woman was sitting in the waiting room for many many hours awaiting her eval.... she finally fell over hit her head on the seat beside her, had a seizure and lay dying on the floor while the staff walked by and ignored her. The woman lay dead on the floor for hours and no one =including the doctor and the security staff= cared or checked her lying there on the floor. The hospital now have to pay her family millions of dollars... the whole incident was caught on security camera including the actions or lack of action by the hospital staff. LOL
Welcome to the best healthcare in the world.....LOL
Here's to the new year... may you have good health ......if you can afford to pay for it.... LOL
Peace......whatevva.... blah blah blah...
OMG what a beautiful example of the black race !!
That was the point I was trying to make, sorry it didn't come across, I guess my point is that way before this happened she most likely gave cause to be locked up, and this doctor was just one more example of a system that has said it's not legal to keep criminally insane people locked up.
Want to make 100% sure she never does it again if she is found guilty of murdering that little girl??? Put her down like the rabid animal she is, that is the only thing that will guarantee it.
No just a great example of a very screwed up Human Race.
There is only one Race the Human Race.
very well put Robbob, your correct, only one race, many different faces...*the nice*, *the bad* and the truly EVIL.
The only thing I'll question that you wrote..The system is failing....*is* needs to be replaced with *has* as *The system HAS failed, and has been failing for quite some time.
Like I've wrote on other *nasty* stories we have read lately....No wonder people want to be able to have a gun to fend for themselves.
Stephen King was right about Vegas.
Stephen King ought to be investigated. That guy's a plain Weirdo.
Dancing...I love readng SK because his stories are fiction...it's real life that gives me nightmares...
I think if you know you have had a bad breakup and maybe screwed over your girlfriend you should think twice before letting her do anything with your child. I bet these people knew she was half nutty and/or had a terrible temper! So sad for that little girl! Horrible that if someone wants to kill someone they will use anything to do it! RIP baby!
How horrible! Jade may you rest in peace baby girl <3
Hopefully Nevada has the death penalty!
It does,but also has an inmate that has been living there for 28 years,Nevada is not as wild west as you would think.
Love and Prayers for family and friend.GOD has a new Angel !!
Another tragic mental health system fail....
NOOOO! another black murderer. The only fail here is this bytch not killin herself instead of a 10 yr old.
What the hell does skin color have to do with anything you moron...I'm white and I'm insulted.
You would know there is always a skinhead that has to put in a racial comment just to stir up sh*t. Millions of white people are offended to hear such crap but we also know they just get a laugh when someone responds. They will get theirs! RIP Jade!
Potheads are Psychotic Nutcases!
Bob
You can NOT say that about ALL potheads. I don;t know if you could even say that about ANY pothead for that matter.. Please stop
Bob, You're a misinformed dumbass!
Next you will be blaming the NRA....silly
What has pot to do with this case? This woman is clearly psychotic, and her doctor failed her.
Razors and knives need to be outlawed, NOW!!! Imagine if she would have gotten a hold of a bomb! Regardless of how she took another's life, without a gun, a knife, she would have, make no mistake about it. All of the counseling in the world doesn't change this outcome, because you can't change a killer's instinct. This may tread fine lines, but the same goes for other mental issues. Yes, meds can help, but only if the person takes them. Unless they are monitored 24/7, you can't blame the doctor.
God Bless you little girl.
Rest in Peace, little Jade.
the crazy lady will get off...al and jesse will see to that....
Thanks, Mike for posting the first truly idiotic comment on this tragic story. A little girl is dead and another person is horribly disfigured, but you can only think to post abject stupidity...
NB, He may have stated it inarticulately, but the point is almost valid. One of the huge problems in our society is we have people like the "reverends" al and jesse whose sole purpose in life is to blame others for the failures of the people they supposedly represent. The problem here is this is a black on black crime. Al and jesse do not care even the slightest when blacks kill blacks. They only care when they can make headlines trying to vilify some white person who kills a black thug in self defense, or some other instance of supposed racism. Remember, al came on the scene as the person screaming the loudest about white racism when Tawana Brawley falsely clamed she was kidnapped, raped, and beaten by a group of white men. Did he ever offer an apology for his misdeeds? No, he said even if it didn't happen in that instance, it happened somewhere else, to someone else, so his vitriole was warranted. These things will never stop until the liberals in this country and especially the media demand people be held accountable for their actions. That won't happen because it doesn't sell newspapers, and because the entire liberal agenda is formed around blaming everyone else for everything wrong in this world.
Mike and catlover, a couple of obvious ditto heads. Hey Ditto Heads, the Democrats beat You!!!!!!!!
Gee Michael, are you following me just to spew your hateful, racist, libtard drivel? Never anything but insults and name-calling from you. Typical lib. I love stoopid libtards. Why do you hate me? Is it because I'm different? Remember, to a lib tolerance is a one way street. Believe in the lib-mantra or face the never-ending onslaught of insults and name-calling. Don't bother to put out anything intelligent, libtard, it won't make any sense coming from you anyway. HAHAHA
A DITTO HEAD calling someone else a DITTO HEAD. Typical.
The number of times a person uses "lib" seems to be inversely proportional to their intelligence level.
I'm a pretty liberal person (I'm a libtard?), but I don't have much to disagree with Catlover about, except his last sentence. Jesse Jackson walked along side Martin Luther King, but never seemed to grasp King's message after King was assassinated. I've never understood how Al Sharpton gained legitimacy after the Tawana Brawley incident. Both men seem to have a history of inciting racism rather than try to fight it as MLK did.
As far as the last sentence is concerned, I don't think liberals have cornered the market on blaming others for all things wrong with this country. Every group in this country is quite happy to blame another for their problems, whether it is conservative vs. liberal, religious vs. secular and so on.
Meanwhile we have another innocent child dying a violent death in this country. I'm sure there will be some awful details released in the coming days. It seems to me that persons harming children deserve the death penalty, without delay, once they are found guilty beyond any doubt. Folks contemplating these crimes might think otherwise if they knew their death was certain upon being caught.
Did you know that if a person tells a Dr they want to hurt someone, the Dr sends them to the ER. If the person THEN say's "I don't feel that way anymore" or if they have not said it since entering the ER, the INSURANCE will refuse to cover them if they are sent to a psychiatric unit....the insurance should be sued to all high heaven if the person leaves the ER and kills someone.
Libtards and Liberals are two different things. There are some rational liberals out there who will listen to both sides who are upstanding members of society... and then there are the libtards. There are alot of them that comment on this vine.
They are pretty easy to spot. You know your a libtard if you comment on the vines more than 10 times a day, are often the first to remark on the vine (AHEM Feisty) are on the gov't dole and could get a job if they wanted to, are sitting at their computers all day crying about who to blame (when all else fails, it go to is Bush) for what, gun hating, union obsessed, loser basically.
Of course she will. Look at that nutcase earlier this week, who set up that ambush for those firefighters on Christmas Eve; I'm stunned that somone can beat their 92 year old grandmother to death with a hammer, yet still be released back into society less than 20 years later. It absolutely boggles the mind.
Rest in peace, little Jade.
Conservatives are just total scum. Sign a petition to secede, you POS. Stupid idiots and their hatred for humanity, just kill yourselves and make our world better. There are NO good conservatives. The defining characteristic of them is evil.
John Smith, the only hatred I see right now is coming from you. Sorry, buddy, but it's the truth. Hate is a heavy load to bear, it makes you old before your time. Old and bitter. Try finding some forgiveness in your heart. Not all of us share the same political ideologies, but we're all Americans. In my book that makes us united.
RIP, Jade. Heaven has a new little angel.
I swear...no wonder this country has so many problems. How divisive to enter color and both reverends into this conversation.
A child is dead.
A family is grieving.
A society looses when something like this happens.
I'm white and very offend by the tone of hate, and have to say sorry that in this day and age some still lack compassion, maturity and education.
Thanks, Mike for posting a truly idiotic comment on this tragic story. A little girl is dead and another person is horribly disfigured, but you can only think to post abject stupidity...
Have we forgotten about the 3 axis of evil.... Farakhan.........
My condolences to the family of this precious little girl. While mental illness is a serious disease that should never be taken lightly the fact that this pos TOLD her doctor she was afraid she might harm someone reaffirms she should have stayed away from people, especially this innocent child. Perhaps people in her life have failed her too but come on...if she was competent enough to express her feelings she was competent enough to at least stay away from that little girl.
Too many adults in this scenario have failed this beautiful angel....
The previous article also mentioned that Ms Stokes said she hadn't taken her meds for a while, which might have some bearing on the situation. Schizophrenia is like hypertension-those pills stop working when you stop taking them.
I'm pro gun but anti razor blade. Blame the doctor(s)? I don't think so. Blame the police? I don't think so. Blame the parents? I don't think so. Blame the person who lent the car. Blame the company that manufactured the razors? I propose blame should be placed with the person(s) who are convicted of these horrific crimes. I'm sorry for the victims and those close to them.
R.I.P. little one. Condolences to the family.
Rest In Peace Jade!!!! May GOD Bless you and your family.
Another angel gone to soon and now in heaven.......so sad....:(
Turn her Black ass loose. Let Black folk know where she will be. This can be handled. Post haste.
Actually I would be willing to bet Al & Jesse are trying to figure out a way to get at this bytch themselves.
What about the shooter of the firemen? Should we turn his "white ass" loose? Idiots talking about Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton are just racist scum who glory in hate. You should get a petition to the White House to secede. They are the two favorite things of conservatives now. Sending stupid petitions to the White House and abandoning your country when you don't win an election. Leave America to the patriots, traitors.
So, is it musician by night, scumbag bigot by day? Sounds like it.
Rest in Peace, beautiful little girl. My condolences to Jade's parents.
Her deadbeat Dad knew this lady for years.He allowed her to go alone shopping with this monster.He knew she was mentally unstable.I am sorry for this beautiful little girl that she was born to clueless people with obviously no grand parents or anybody else in the picture to protect her.
Man you can see the evil on Brenda Stokes mug shot.
I called it yesterday. Two guilty people: the Dr. who let the psycho leave the hospital without a committment (which would even have been voluntary) and the father who let the little girl go with this woman. It is time for accountability. The father and his family should have known from their experience this broad did not have both oars in the water. A slashing and a statement of wanting to hurt someone, and then a murder are 3 reasons she should be placed in prison forever..no damn parole, no time out for good behavior..she is psychotic and needs to be held accountable. And we have to do that with prison sentences since mental health institutions are non existent.
Alright, I have to say that Sharia Law should be enforced on this animal. Tie her to a post and let the family cast the first stone then it is open to all. I would book a ticket to Vegas so I could participate. It needs to be a very long painful extermination for this one.
Have I made my point!
TYPICAL @!$%#!!!!!!
You just proved how much of an ignorant fool your are. Using the n word is way beyond vile.
Really?? Typical &^**..?? Then what in the hell do we call your ancestors who murdered, lynched and raped everyone in their path when they came to the U.S.?? Animals? Naw, too good. Monsters? Naw, too good. You effing loser. You need to be in the pit with this loser bytch. You deserve each other. Ahole.
Yep, totally agree. She is all of that and a bag of chips.
jc is a troll...it gets off by doing such things...ignore it and it will go away..
Look goat turd, you don't belong in sensible circles.
Typical Christian! Hates everything Jesus stood for and will burn for their hypocrisy! You can't lie about your heart to your god, evil one.
Such a beautiful little girl born to clueless people who did not do their best to protect her.The parents share the blame of her death along with the mental case who stabbed her to death.The D.A. needs to bring child neglect charges on whichever parent had legal custody at the time due to them allowing this mentally unstable woman to take her anywhere alone.The article said the father knew this lady for years so I'd say he'd be the one responsible for his daughters parental neglect.
Untreated paranoid schizophrenia is my bet for this psychotic woman.
Thank Ronald Reagan for destroying mental hospitals. Idiot. How about that poor soul pushed in front of a subway train the other day back east? These nuts need to be locked up. For good.
Ronald Reagan didn't destroy the mental hospitals. If you really want to know, it was a liberal movement to give crazy people their rights: "craziness is not a crime." Someone had to do something to someone before they could be put away. Just threatening got you a 72 hour hold. It's still true: ask anyone with a crazy relative they tried to put away. Ask Adam Lanza's dead mom: the ACLU went to bat for rights and when she tried to have him committed he was told and so he wasted her and went on the rampage.
Reagan closed the mental hospitals because of all the lawsuits by the ACLU demanding people be let out, because of all the psychiatrists saying people were "cured"--at least while they were on their meds. They promptly go off their meds after the hearings where they're proven to be "competent" and then rampage.
Go ahead and blame Reagan and I'll blame ignorants like TonifromLA who obviously had an inferior education.
Rachel,
I don't buy that. Why would psychiatrists make claims that would lead to the ellimination of their jobs???
It didn't lead to the elimination of their jobs. Number one, as I described, it was a revolving door of taking meds and not taking meds. Number two, they made and continue to make faaaar more money pushing pills than having someone lie on a couch. Less than 15 minutes a visit and no one's ever cured. Most psychiatrists don't do therapy anymore. Non-physicians (psychologists and psychiatric social workers) do therapy. Psychiatrists prescribe the meds.
But they cannot force the patients to take the meds. And when they're off them, they're nuts.
closing these mental institutions were the result of inclusion ... separate not being equal aspect of the civil rights movement. why are you blaming Reagen? the work in mental health has been largely experimental.
BobFritz, it wasn't that the psychiatrists were doing it to put themselves out of their jobs. It was assumed that the patients would continue to take their medications after they were released. They were supposed to visit clinics to get their refills and see a therapist or social worker. This started back in the mid-70's. Part of it was because of the undercover work of people like Geraldo Rivera (when he was considered a real newsperson) showing abuse at psychiatric hospitals. What happened was that the funding for follow-up was cut. What also happened was that when patients thought they were feeling better, they stopped taking their medications. It was "throwing the baby out with the water" - going too far and not making proper provisions for those that did not have the ability to live on their own.
Different people have different ways of dealing with issues.... Its not always being crazy that makes do such things.... You could be put in an institution for many reasons back in the day just for different or odd.... Not to mention that your relatives could let them experiment on you or even torture you with shock treatments and such.... Your relatives could steal your things or money, you could be raped or maybe an attempted rape could be covered up in this way.... After all, who would listen to someone who seems pretty crazy or odd.... So TonifromLA your comment is highly unfounded.... In America 40,000 people were lobotomized in mental health facilities all across America and probably to cover up some form of crimes against that person whom received the lobotomy.... People can act quite crazy if threatened or harmed in some way....
So, warthog, you think those schoolkids threatened Adam? No HE WAS CRAZY--and his mother knew it and tried to get him committed. Had he been lobotomized, 20+ people would be alive.
I guess we need to ban all knives to prevent this from Happening again. OMG I have become a Liberal
I was WAITING for THIS dumb comment to show up. Thank you for proving how predictible "your kind" are.
why not ban knives? you idiots want to ban guns for killing kids and people. This knife killed a kid as well so lets go for it you morons.
Let's just ban people from killing each other. Oh, but you say there is already a law against that? Nope. Look how many people kill others. Even if there are laws, it still happens. My point is, laws don't fix such problems. By the way, just for the record, the number one killer (other than natural death syndrome) of people here in the US is.....death by motor vehicle. These deaths far outnumber all of the homicides every year since the 50s. Keep in mind that this doesn't capture the number of vehicular deaths that were probably due to homicide, if it wasn't proven at the time of death. But do we dare hold the vehicle manufacturers responsible? No, and why should we? They don't force people to drive, and they don't hand out driver's licenses. So do we hold the states responsible? No, becuase no matter how much training you give prior to issuing a license, doesn't safeguard what an individual is capable of. The moral of the story is, only one thing is certain in this life, and that is death. How it happens to you depends on demographics, but also what era. Remember that the biggest killer about 700 years ago was the Plague, which killed hundreds of times more people in ratio.
Enough with the silly comparisons, you are obviously out voiced and out voted in our current landscape; be a man and own up to the senseless violence that is occurring and enough of the fake bravado. I for one am not impressed.
No, you're still an idiot conservative. You are the only ones who make such stupid statements, so you just proved it.
Dumbasses, I guess you should also be saying, "Day after pills don't kill people, people do!" Let's see how many mass murderers, wimpy little guys, go around stabbing dozens of people. It is just so pathetic how you morons can't be smart enough to simply look at other countries that don't have guns and compare their murder rates to ours. Just stupid or uncaring, either way, not worth having in America.
Oh crap.... I have a hundred knives so i'm screwed huh !!!!
lets get this straight once and for all dam it! when someone in this country does something wrong, IT IS "ALWAYS" SOMEONE ELSES FAULT!!! that poor poor lady did not know what she was doing. she probibly had a bad day or something. we all know the doctor or the dead child was to blame! how dare all you people insinuate otherwise.
Yeah !!!! Like the poor woman who gang raped in India.... You just know she was begging for it and wanted to be beat to death too.... (being very sarcastic)
ps, i was being sarcastic.
ok now we have to ban knifes..........and ban people from train platforms ..too many deaths..........i wonder what piers morgan thinks of that and those idiots that thinks gun kills by itself........i think we should ban everything and anything that can be use to kill .........there goes the neighborhood