its just wonderful- Im feeling so warm and fuzzy inside.....Uhhhhhh

I thought California was in financial dire straits? Now they are buying guns and asking for bailouts?

These rocket launchers were DE-militarized [made inoperable] and were sold at gun shows all over the country for years.

No story here just drama queens.

These were inoperable. Off the street these days means not in the hands of any citizen. Stupid reporting and ignorant officials at their best. Of everything they confiscated they posed no threat compared to the other weapons turned in. This story was no story like you said and only conjored up so uninformed people that are scared of their own shadow can bite their nails in fear and vote at the polls for politicians that sell them this nonsense.

I want to keep my Grandfathers rifle and my personal hunting guns, I do however do not want loony's owning assault weapons with pulsating triggers and multiple clips, so if getting them off the streets is the solution raise the ante on them and forget about the shotgun.

Only 75 assault weapons" we can do better.

Nazi type of Propaganda

That rocket launcher was a plant by the ATF...Fast And Furious left over.

If the ATF can perpatrate Fast and Furious they will do anything to take our guns from us.

Noah Webster (Founding Father) believed that having an armed public would
prevent the government from becoming corrupted because the people would have
more power than the government itself. He wrote:

"Before a standing
army can rule, the people must be disarmed; as they are in almost every kingdom
in Europe. The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the
sword; because the whole body of the people are armed, and constitute a force
superior to any band of regular troops that can be, on any pretense, raised in
the United States."

GUN CONTROL is a
dangerous road as HISTORY SHOWS

Gun control advocates
are naive about AUTHORITARIANISM.

AUTHORITARIANISM is
easily implemented with an unarmed civil population… THE RED COATS ARE COMING
for Your GUNS AND AMMO TO RENER YOU INTO HELPLESS SHEEPLE.

UNARMED PEOPLE ARE
SHEEPLE TO ANY AUTHORITARIAN OR MAD MAN

The dangers of having a
Standing Army

Standing armies were
very unpopular to the colonists and to many Europeans because Europe had seen
many armies come to power that ended up ruling over the people. Instead of
having standing armies, the colonists would train together for purposes of
local defense, using their own arms during their training and in actual
military events. These local groups were called "militia" and are
somewhat equivalent to our National Guard today.

The Federal Government
and the United Nations want your guns so you can be sheeple instead of people
with arms to fight back.

HISTORY REPEATING ITS SELF...only a sheeple cannot see what is realy going on!!!

During the Revolutionary
War era, the British recognized the colonists would use their weapons to
defend themselves, so they made efforts to confiscate as many weapons as they
could. If you recall, this was the primary instigation of the Battles of
Lexington and Concord, the first battles of the Revolution. These battles
erupted when the British were trying to capture the colonists' weapons and
ammunition stores at Concord.

Lusitania, that is the worst logic I have ever heard. First of all you are buying into media and political hype. The "assault rifles" they are referring to are not even assault rifles as they do not have select fire capability. They are targeting these guns because of the way they look. Nonsense.

So you think giving up some guns is OK, because it will somehow allow you to keep others. That is BS. These commies want all of your guns. Read Frankenstein's proposed bill. Once you give in a little, it is a slippery slope and the rest will follow. Stand firm against these vultures who use a tragedy to espouse their political agenda to disarm Americans. Just another step in their power grab.

I believe in the right to bear arms but I also believe these buy back programs are a good thing too. It allows people who have guns they bough in their youth or inherited but no long want around their home to get some value for them. Maybe they feel they can't be responsible or that they have children or grandchildren in the home that can't be trusted. But one of the best things about these gun buy back programs has always been the "no questions asked policy". This helps get illegal guns off the street, some may have been stolen or used in a crime. And sure someone might get away with a crime but the gun is off the streets and even if it's the criminal who turns it in there's a good chance it's because the criminal has decided to go strait, and even if they fall back to their old ways at least they won't have that gun. But now these police have stated that they intend to violate this "no questions asked policy" by tracking down these weapons history and once the military is brought in on the investigation they will try to track down and prosecute anyone who stole these weapons. That means that the trust will be broken and anyone who ends up with a gun but does not know it's history will be afraid to turn it in. "Johnny is in jail and I found this gun among his things I want to turn it in but I don't want Johnny to get in any more trouble" so Johnny gets out and his gun is still there. Does anyone think these rocket launchers would have been turned in if people didn't trust in the "NO QUESTIONS ASKED POLICY" HELL NO !

Everyone is so worried about something you point to kill, I'd be more worried about things that you don't, if someone wanted to kill a bunch of people why would they use a gun?, I'm more worried about the NUT with a brain between his ears that don't need a gun .....

Do you own one BigJohn have you used one, I have many guns I have seen this weapon in action..

there's not a lot of separation to that of an M16 other than they're used at schools, prove to me otherwise before you lecture on logic.

Watch a video on them, there are plenty out there.

I want to keep my Grandfathers rifle and my personal hunting guns, I do however do not want loony's owning assault weapons with pulsating triggers and multiple clips, so if getting them off the streets is the solution raise the ante on them and forget about the shotgun.

Only 75 assault weapons" we can do better.

What in the world is a pulsating trigger?? Better go hide under the couch. What is an assualt weapon? Well anything can be an assault weapon. If you attack police with your car your charged with "Assault with a deadly Weapon" (Assault Weapon", with a knife..same thing "Assault Weapon", A bat..Assault Weapon. Look in any story when some attack police or really any person and caused harm they are charged with "Assualt With A Deadly Weapon" which makes that weapon an "Assault Weapon". If you say, well then Military Style Weapon". The military uses bolt action rifles like Remington 700 and others, pistols, pump shotguns and others.

This is all just a scheme to do weapons grab. Lets look at one of the worst gun runners in recent history.....The ATF and attorney general

Wow, sheepled... you're buried deep in your ideology.

Are you aware that it's now almost 2013? Or are you still living in 1776?

And they lived happily ever after.... Oh I do so love a good fairy tale!

This may help you a tad fisherman;

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/12/16/1170731/-Video-of-Bushmaster-223-Firing-Why-are-These-Weapons-on-the-Street#

Tho is that where you keep yours? Under the couch..Mine are in a safe where only I have access to.

Lusitania,

A 15 year old uses his dad's AR-15 to defend himself, his sister and his home from burglars.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJFcmv3xm-E

An AR-15 used for defense? Say it isn't so. Locked up firearms would have done these kids no good. Education is a far better tool than a safe. Education will allow for people to defend themselves. A locked firearm is useless.

A locked firearm is useless.

Right... how could you carelessly shoot yourself or a family member? How could your child get ahold of it and accidentally shoot someone?

How could you or a family member use it to commit suicide? (The method of choice in 50% of all suicides.)

Unlocked and fully loaded... that's the way to go...??

Inaccessible guns could have resulted in the deaths of these 2 children and others.

http://www.newser.com/story/148802/teenager-babysitting-siblings-shoots-intruder.html

A 14 year old who shot an intruder armed with a gun while babysitting 3 younger siblings.

I would rather have tragedies occur due to lack of education or mental illness than to have tragedies occur because law abiding citizens are left defenseless to armed criminals.

I had a woman tell me to my face that she would rather be raped and murdered than to shoot and kill someone while defending herself. That is her choice. I can respect her choice. I do not respect the views of those who would impose their choice on me. Be a victim if you choose; I choose to live.

Another example from this year of a child using a firearm in defense from an intruder.

http://newsfeed.time.com/2012/10/23/12-year-old-girl-shoots-home-intruder/

Not that matters to the gun grabber bunch but the media fabricated a new definition of an assault weapon to extend to firearms that simply resemble actual assault weapons, and they've been at it for so long that the simple minded actually believe them. You know that old adage, repeat a lie often enough and for a long enough time, it becomes truth, especially to the dullards of the world.

What the media and the anti-gun bunch describe as assault weapons are rifles that function just like any semi-automatic hunting rifle, the only difference being cosmetic. They see this deception as beneficial because they can label any weapon they want as an assault weapon.

As usual, they rely on the stupid and the gullible for their support.

Lusitania 3.7

Where can I get a gun with one of those pulsating triggers?

Tell me Kaybee, would you rather have had these children raped and / or murdered in order to satisfy your belief that children should not have access to firearms?

Hey, I want a pulsating trigger gun too! Don't bogart the pulsating triggers!

the buyback gets junk off the sreets.You better believe anyone turning in one has another. What a greatway to get rid of guns used in crimes. there goes any ballistic tests.You people go aheas with your attempt at gun bans and what not,but it's time all of you wake up( especially Sen.Fienstien) criminals don't obey laws.. Open up more targets for the sicko's to hit. How much attention do the people pay to the drug laws.You can't tell me that some high-ups in this country get fat off drug money. How many laws do you make that are broken. Only fools believe this is going to curb violence. Ask yourself the solid fact why these mass killings all happen in gun free zones. DUH My praise goes out to the states that have the sence to put armed guards in schools. As the facts i said shows they target gun free zones.So look at your facts and put your mind on doing something about what our govrnment is doing about the mess our country is in. People will kill more for something to eat.

Never
trust a Government that WANTS YOUR GUNS AND MONEY and has a HISTORY OF GENOCIDE

SURE YOU CAN TRUST YOUR
GOVERNMENT TO TURN IN YOUR GUNS

Just ask the Aboriginal People
of this land how that worked out for them.

“TO RESIST TYRANNY IS TO SERVE GOD”

When the Government lays down all their arms....I'll think about
doing the same

WHEN DHS RETURNS ALL 1.6
BILLION HOLLOW POINT BULLETS I'll
think about doing the same

When there is disarmament of
over 100,000 Federal Bureaucrats using unconstitutional powers

I'll think about doing the same

When the police are unarmed

I'll think about doing the same

When the IRS is unarmed

When the TSA is ABOLISHED

When the ATF is abolished

When the DEA is abolished

When the NSA is unarmed and
limited powers

When the EPA is abolished

When the CIA cannot operate on
American soil or against Americans

When the FDA actually works for
the people

When the GOVERNMENT FEARS THE
AMERICAN VOTER AS MUCH AS THE AMERICAN SHOOTER

THEN I WILL THINK ABOUT TURNING
IN MY ARMS! ONLY, THINK ABOUT!

AMENDMENT II

"A well regulated
Militia, being necessary to the security of a Free State, the right of the
people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

*SHALL NOT BE
INFRINGED*…END OF SUBJECT

I had access to guns and ammunition from the age of ten. I was taught respect for firearms and the damage that they can inflict. I was taught about their safe usage by an NRA sponsored instructor. I was taught how guns can accidentally fire and how to avoid accidents. I was educated. Guess what? I have never had a firearm mishap. Education, keeping firearms out of households with mentally ill persons and enforcement of existing laws on the books are all that we need.

Remember, the previous "assault weapons" ban did nothing to avert tragedy. Columbine occurred despite any bans. You can't ban evil and you can't ban stupid. All you can try to ban is the rights of the people to defend themselves from criminals as well as from an oppressive government.

Try teaching children in school that there sometimes IS a good reason to fight. Stop our educators from punishing our children who do nothing other than fight back when attacked. If we had not raised generations of victims then perhaps 9/11 would not have been as successful. It took 3 planes being used for massive destruction before the passengers of the fourth plane put a stop to the madness.

Utah is on the right track. http://news.msn.com/us/video?videoid=ec04dcea-87d0-4cee-8db0-b4a9e2394a39&channelindex=5&from=en-us_msnhpvidmod Armed teachers in schools.

What does the police department do with the forfeited guns, give them to their friends and political cronies as gifts the same way they hand out concealed carry permits?

Debi, they are destroyed and sold for scrap.

@sheepled

I hope you spent a long time writing that bullsh*t. The more time you spend behind the computer, the more time someone with paranoid delusions is not out in public.

BTW, could possible provide a link for the claim of 1.6 billion hollow points? Preferably a link that doesn't involve infowars or that idiot Alex Jones.

That's the only one I'm curious about since clearly the rest of that post is absolutely nonsense.

kaybeetoys:

"Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it." -- George Santayana

"Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves" - William Pitt

"Throughout history, there have only been two groups of people that have never been allowed guns: Slaves and Conquered Nations. And which one are they trying to make us in America?" -- Sheriff Richard Mack

John F. Kennedy said, "By calling attention to ‘a well regulated militia,’ ‘the security of the nation,’ and The RIGHT OF EACH CITIZEN ‘to keep and bear arms,’ our founding fathers recognized the essentially civilian nature of our economy... The Second Amendment STILL remains an important declaration of our basic civilian-military relationships in which EVERY CITIZEN MUST BE READY TO PARTICIPATE IN THE DEFENSE OF HIS COUNTRY. For that reason I believe the Second Amendment will ALWAYS be important."

Infringe, in-fringe': vi 1. To break or violate a law. 2. To trespass or encroach; followed by 'on' or 'upon'; as, to infringe upon one's rights. syn. - Violate, transgress, encroach, infract, intrude, invade, trespass. -- Webster's Universal Dictionary of the English Language (Unabridged, 1937)

...the right of the people to keep and bear arms SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED.
...the right of the people to keep and bear arms SHALL NOT BE VIOLATED.
...the right of the people to keep and bear arms SHALL NOT BE TRANSGRESSED.
...the right of the people to keep and bear arms SHALL NOT BE ENCROACHED UPON.
...the right of the people to keep and bear arms SHALL NOT BE INFRACTED.
...the right of the people to keep and bear arms SHALL NOT BE INTRUDED.
...the right of the people to keep and bear arms SHALL NOT BE INVADED.
...the right of the people to keep and bear arms SHALL NOT BE TRESPASSED UPON.

"In , 554 US 570 (2008), the Court ruled that the Second Amendment protects an INDIVIDUAL'S RIGHT to POSSESS a firearm, UNCONNECTED to service in a militia and to use that arm for traditionally lawful purposes..." (POSSESS: verb - To have in one's actual control; To have possession of. Black's Law Dictionary, 8th ed.)

The Supreme Court ruled: "...fundamental principle of American law that a government and its agents are under no general duty to provide public services, such as police protection, to any individual citizen." -- Warren v. District of Columbia, 444 A2d 1 (DC App 181)

Times may change. But governments and humans have not.

Where in the Second Amendment, or any amendment, does it give the government the right to "infringe", be it by regulation or law?

Lusitania: Uh, pulsating triggers? Never seen one on a gun. Maybe on some other "personal device". But never on a gun. Seriously, I'm baffled on that one.

The one thing I've noticed on these forums is that "liberal progressive" types {oxymoron} tend to argue feelings without ANY actual facts. I really believe that is why they collapse posts with facts in them. whereas conservative progressive types, {much like the Founders}, tend to collapse posts that really have, no value to them. Just an observation...

Pulsating triggers... I've got to remember that one! 0_o

Wet Willy and Bob, cut the narcissism,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adaptive_Combat_Rifle

Its just my opinion, only mine, I feel the Government is, are putting these weapons in our society so they can conjure a reason to take them away..

Ron B. and Sheepled

I applaud your attempts at educating the ignorance, but as they say you can't fix stupid! Some people are deathly afraid of firearms and the people who choose to own them. I agree that if you wish to be a victim rather than kill in defense of yourself or someone else, I can respect your views, but as was said do not force your views on me. One thing I would like to see is that proof of completion of a gun safety course be required before every purchase of a firearm. I would also like to see a handgun self defense course required before any concealed carry permit be issued. Often, a person will purchase a gun because they fear their safety from criminals, but really have no conception of what it is to shoot someone. They end up freezing or unprepared and lose their gun to the criminal only to end up shot themselves. Like with any other tool, firearms require a sufficient amount of knowledge to be owned and used properly. Educating people should be the priority along with screening those with criminal records and destructive mental health issues. A diabetic or someone with epilepsy cannot hold a valid drivers license unless they go without a seizure for over a set period of time, the same can be done for minor mental health issues provided that the person appear periodically for examination. I agree with the founding fathers and their view towards firearms and fully support the second amendment. There are plenty of ways to screen the purchase of firearms to keep criminals and sick people from owning them. Fully automatic weapons are actually a case in point. It is possible to purchase, own, and fire full automatic weapons in this country, but you do need to obtain a federal firearms permit for each full auto weapon. The cost is high and the screening vigorous but it can be done. This has been the law since the 30's and has worked very well.

You can legally purchase RPG launchers with the proper registration.

@Lusitania

dailykos, really? Any hint of credibility you may have had flies right out the window!

archangel:

There are plenty of ways to screen the purchase of firearms to keep criminals and sick people from owning them.

What other Constitutional rights guaranteed every American citizen do you think should be removed just because someone has broken a law or is deemed "sick"?

gb really?! God aborts? Do know how stupid you sound?

An excerpt from the Federalist Papers No. 46, as written by James Madison. In an effort to further dissuade fears over a national military force, Madison indicates that, at any point, the maximum force that can be brought to bear by the government to enforce its mandates is but a small fraction of the might of an armed citizenry:

Let a regular army, fully equal to the resources of the country, be formed; and let it be entirely at the devotion of the federal government; still it would not be going too far to say, that the State governments, with the people on their side, would be able to repel the danger. The highest number to which, according to the best computation, a standing army can be carried in any country, does not exceed one hundredth part of the whole number of souls; or one twenty-fifth part of the number able to bear arms. This proportion would not yield, in the United States, an army of more than twenty-five or thirty thousand men. To these would be opposed a militia amounting to near half a million of citizens with arms in their hands, officered by men chosen from among themselves, fighting for their common liberties, and united and conducted by governments possessing their affections and confidence. It may well be doubted, whether a militia thus circumstanced could ever be conquered by such a proportion of regular troops.

Here, and in numerous other supporting documents, the framers of the Constitution explicitly explain the rights of the people to keep and bear arms.

Patrick Henry, in the Virginia ratification convention June 5, 1788, argued for the dual rights to arms and resistance to oppression:

Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect everyone who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are inevitably ruined.

I have read many great posts ( Ron and Sheepled for sure ) and I couldn't agree more with them. If the dummies who turned in their guns had taken them to a gun dealer most would have gotten alot more for them than fifty bucks worth of food.

Lusitania 3.40

First you supply a Wikipedia link to a rifle (how original) but it doesn't seem to have one of those pulsating triggers. Please try again.

Your statement saying the government is putting these weapons in our society just so they can come up with a reason to take them away seems more than a bit irrational at best, because; if the government had such power, why would the government put them in our society in the first place?

The answer is, of course, the government is not putting them in our society and but for the 2nd amendment, they would be rounding them (and the people possessing them) all up.

Definition

Pulsating Trigger: A mythical trigger device normally found incorporated into a very onerous looking super assault rifle capable of unleashing thousands of deadly exploding projectiles a second at their intended target. LMFAO

The weapons, essentially long metal tubes once capable of firing rockets, lacked the projectiles and parts needed to fire them, but even so had no place on the streets, police said. If I were the LA police I wouldn't bragging about how much of dumb asses I was for buying back a bunch of worthless weapons that cant fire. Now the people who sold them can go buy the gun they really want. With all the unemployment in California it's easier to sell useless weapons to go buy good ones due to lack of cash.

for all of you who want bans on whatever just how will that work. lets say you ban whatever it is you dont want to see on the streets. how long before they are coming in the back door through mexico? i mean there is already such a great job on stopping drugs and who buys them? criminals! so who will be buying the illegal guns coming in? we need to do a better job on who gets their hands on guns and no more slaps on the hand for those who commit gun crimes!

Ron B- sure, they are destroyed and sold for scrap, just like the drugs and money they confiscate is burnt and destroyed, sure some is, but the collectables, never. If you believe that the police departments of the big cities are all above compromise, I can get a real good deal on a pulsating trigger, hardly used.

I for one do not believe in the NRA they do nothing to protect any and all citizens right to keep and bear arms. It says "The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed." This means all the people of the US regardless of their past mistakes. Even when those mistakes have been nullified. The NRA does nothing to enforce the 2nd amendment and to protect all the people. The NRA makes exceptions for political gain and to keep collecting dues from those unaware of their actions.

live in utah:

Sad, but true. Where else are the police going to acquire unregistered "drop guns"?

live in utah,

I never stated anywhere there there is not corruption in the police. I am fully aware of police corruption. I completely distrust police. You are an argumentative ignoramus who manufactures lies to demean others. I stated what the police department's written procedures are. Take your trolling elsewhere, tool.

@Lusitania

I want to keep my Grandfathers rifle and my personal hunting guns, I do however do not want loony's owning assault weapons with pulsating triggers and multiple clips,

Ah yes, the classic "as long as it doesn't affect me" argument.

Hey LAPIERRE,

Curious is this what you meant by Bigger Guns can take out those with Smaller guns? Evidently you are so ot of touch with GUNS OWNERSHIP or FRAUDULENT ownership that You would approve of this type of GUN!

Guess what idiot, Guns kills and it doesn't matter how big they are! In fact the bigger Guns such as this simply just cause more damage!

Well, here's to all the idiots who have NO CLUE what you are looking at or talking about. Ask ANYBODY in the Army or Marine Corps and they can tell you all about these things. These are an AT-4 and an M72 Light Anti-tank Weapon. They are NOT guns or bazookas.

These are SINGLE-SHOT anti-tank weapons that CANNOT be re-used. They are essentially tubes that are incapable of shooting anything unless they are turned into potato guns.

These are essentially like owning Civil War cannons. Soooooo, PLEASE do a little research and not WHOLESALE believe the crap the media prints.

P.S. I don't own any guns, but I am completely against stupidity.

A pulse trigger is one in which you don't have to squeeze the hammer back..

How DORKY can one be..

Lusitania, there is no such thing on weapons. (At least not on weapons I have seen in the public domain nor in my 9.5 years in the Infantry.) A "pulse trigger" is actually a trigger pulse. You heard the words somewhere, flipped them around and misapplied it.

trigger pulse [′trig·ər ‚pəls]

(electronics)
A pulse that starts a cycle of operation. Also known as
tripping pulse.

Dork.

Not having to pull the hammer back is known as double action.

Perhaps, alternatively, you meant "semi-automatic", which has never been referred to as a "pulse trigger" by any person familiar with firearms.

Lusitania: You really don't know anything about guns, do you? Seriously... I'm not trying to make fun of you.

I've never heard of a single gun in which you "squeeze the hammer back."

And I might be wrong, but to the best of my knowledge, hammers are only found on most revolvers, lever action rifles, some older styles of shotguns and muzzle loaders.

With a fully automatic firearm, when you pull the trigger, it will continue to fire until you release the trigger. These are known as Class 3 weapons and you need a full rectal exam from Uncle Sandusk..., er, I mean Uncle Sam with a hefty tax to own one. NONE have ever been used in a crime since 1934, (NFA).

With a semi-automatic firearm, when you pull the trigger it fires one round. That's it. One round. To fire another round you must release the trigger and then pull it again. The "automatic" part is that it loads the next one into the chamber after the previous one is fired. This is what these evil AR's and AK's are. Of course, this also describes everything from the "lowly" 10/22 tin-can plinkers, {Play along with me y'all. This is all tongue and cheek for those who understand it.}, to some of the world's most powerful military grade sniper rifles. Of course the whole gun banning thing revolves around the evil LOOKING part of the equation and no actual facts of usage...

On a serious note to the readership... This is a blazing example of how the anti-gunner mentality works. {Or more to the point, doesn't work.} It's just another in a LO-O-O-ONG line of how tidbits of misinformation are creeping to the surface. The kicker is that IF they would start learning about the COMPLETE history of the the founding of the United States of America, most of them would start migrating to the pro-gun side in droves. They would also understand the purpose for the various platforms used, and not pull strange things out of their nether-regions for the sake of argument...

Your entitled to your own opinion, how deep will you dig with your Mumbo-Jumbo to tell a Mother and Father of Newton that there some hope instead of pussy-footin around with me, just sayin.

Cram the founding Fathers... Sorry that it is but we are past that and into a new age, its called 21twenty first century America.

Lusitania, I feel sorry for you. I feel sorry for all of the U.S. citizens who are so comfortable and complacent that they think the government is incapable of doing bad things to it's citizens. Governments always have and always will, at some point, fall under the control of a person or group of people who take it upon themselves to move the country in a very bad direction. It is inevitable that it will happen here. To believe that we will have good leadership for eternity is just ridiculous. I hope that it doesn't happen in my lifetime. I would not want to bear witness to such a travesty. But, if it were to happen, I, and most citizens of good moral character, would want the means at hand to fight. The second amendment was written so that the people would have the means to fight against intolerable tyranny.

Tyranny has been active all around the globe in the 21st century. People have been fighting against tyranny in Syria, Egypt, Afghanistan, Iraq, Palestine, multiple African nations, etc. It is nothing new and it is something that will never disappear, no matter how far you might think we have progressed.

There is no changing the mind of a coward. You will maintain that you will be safer if there is a ban on certain guns. You think a law will protect you. You hope a law will protect you, because you are afraid to have the means at hand to defend yourself. Laws do not deter criminals. A perfect example, the failed 5 decade war on drugs. I don't care in which city or town or village you live, you can find illegal drugs for sale.

A ban on certain firearms would do nothing other than to turn some normally law abiding citizens into criminals, just as it did in California when they enacted their ridiculous ban.

"Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it." -- George Santayana

Wow! I guess being nice and pointing out how things actually work doesn't pay off when dealing with those of Tory mentality. You might want to keep in mind the these "Founders" you seem to hate so much gave you that "freedom of speech" you cherish, {and even abuse} so often. Makes me wonder how you would be treated elsewhere, like Mexico, Egypt, Iran, China... I'll stick with facts over feelings, and continue to take the high road by helping to educate those on the fence.

"When they took the 4th Amendment, I was quiet because I didn't deal drugs.
When they took the 6th Amendment, I was quiet because I am innocent.
When they took the 2nd Amendment, I was quiet because I don't own a gun.
Now they have taken the 1st Amendment, and I can only be quiet." -– Lyle Myhr

BTW - regarding the Newton Massacre... Criminal psychologists who studied a multitude of criminals over the years, asked them what helps them to determine their quarry/prey/targets. The criminals essentially gave the same answers, over and over again. ''Why go after a difficult target when there are plenty of easy pickings.'' {paraphrased} Newton was a "gun free zone". Hence, EASY PICKINGS. The "psychologically challenged" young man picked targets that COULDN'T shoot back. He GOT his notoriety and fame, and continues to get even more, every time an anti-gunner bleats that we need more dogs/wolves in the field, rather than to arm the sheep.

And then you wonder why those who ARE prepared, {or like myself, preparing}, call the anti-gunner crowd, "zombies". D'oh!

I guess Jeremy Taylor, {English prelate (1613 - 1667)} was correct when he said;

"It is impossible to make people understand their ignorance; for it requires knowledge to perceive it, and therefore he that can perceive it, hath it not."

Cram the founding Fathers... Sorry that it is but we are past that and into a new age, its called 21twenty first century America.

The deliberations of the Constitutional Convention of 1787 were held in strict secrecy. Consequently, anxious citizens gathered outside Independence Hall when the proceedings ended in order to learn what had been produced behind closed doors. The answer was provided immediately. A Mrs. Powel of Philadelphia asked Benjamin Franklin, “Well, Doctor, what have we got, a republic or a monarchy?” With no hesitation whatsoever, Franklin responded, “A republic, if you can keep it.” (Benjamin Franklin)

Lusitania:

If you were born an American citizen, it was through no control or choice of your own; but if you are unhappy with the rules that built this nation and in which you are required to live under, leaving is always a choice.

Ron B-2757074

Tell me Kaybee, would you rather have had these children raped and / or murdered in order to satisfy your belief that children should not have access to firearms?

Statistically, Ron, a child is FAR MORE likely to die from an accidental gunshot than to be involved in an altercation with a criminal.

Get a security system. Get a dog. Keep guns out of the hands of kids!

You sound as if you'd like all children to be armed. You might want to examine your real reasons for that.

Some of you sincerely can put a spin on things; Nowhere did I say I didn't love my country..That said there's probably not one issue that hasn't been brought up concerning certain types of weapons, and your right I don't know everything there is to know about them but I do own them..Know this,

this issue is coming to a head and there will be something done, I don't know what that might be for you gun lovers but it will eventually happen..You might want to think of something better to say other than holding tight to your Constitutional amendment.

Technically, since the AT-4 and LAWS rocket launchers are one shot throw away devices they do not come under the category of firearms. Instead, they fall under the category of weapon systems. Still dangerous, but there is still a big difference, but you could never convince a leftist liberal anti gunner of that! They already have all the answers.

"As to the species of exercise, I advise the gun. While this gives [only] moderate exercise to the body, it gives boldness, enterprise, and independence to the mind. Games played with the ball and others of that nature, are too violent for the body and stamp no character on the mind. Let your gun, therefore, be the constant companion to your walks." -- Thomas Jefferson, (writing to his teenaged nephew)

When a child is introduced to firearms a 'relatively' young age, (a good parent knows that no two children are alike), and that child is trained well by his parents, that child will grow up with a healthy respect for ALL firearms, yet not have irrational fears about them.

...a child is FAR MORE likely to die from an accidental gunshot than to be involved in an altercation with a criminal.

Please cite your sources...

Myth: More children are hurt with guns than any other method.
Fact: 0.1% of all deaths for children between ages 0-14 are from firearms. The rate for “children” 0-24 years old is 0.4%. (http://www.guncite.com/gun_control_gun_facts.pdf - page 10)

Everyone gets in an uproar when 20 kids are tragically gunned down by a madman. But virtually no one bats an eyelash when it happens in one of the HIGHEST gun controlled cities in the US...

270 Chicago Children Killed by Guns Since 2007

a one time occurrence (20) versus an ONGOING problem (54/yr).

Lets keep things in perspective...

Policies at the federal, state, and local levels have attempted to address gun violence through a variety of methods, including restricting firearms purchases by youths and other "at-risk" populations, setting waiting periods for firearm purchases, establishing gun "buy-back" programs, law enforcement and policing strategies, stiff sentencing of gun law violators, education programs for parents and children, and community-outreach programs. Research has found some policies such as gun "buy-back" programs and assault style weapons bans are particularly ineffective, while Boston's Operation Ceasefire, a gang violence abatement and intervention strategy, has been effective in reducing gun violence. Gun policies are influenced by the interpretation of the Second Amendment to the United States Constitution which guaranteed citizens the right to own and carry firearms for protection. In 2008 the U.S. Supreme Court took a position for the first time in District of Columbia v. Heller, holding that the second amendment secured an individual's right to own firearms.

Training in SAFETY and Handling of any tool is what keeps everyone protected and safe. Especially the kids...

Statistically, Ron, a child is FAR MORE likely to die from an accidental gunshot than to be involved in an altercation with a criminal.

Kaybee, you are full of bullsh!t. You really believe a child is more likely to be the victim of an accidental gunshot than hurt by a criminal? You are either blind to the news or perhaps your libtard hatred of guns has skewed your perceptions. Here are some stats for your blind a$$.

Children have very high rates of crime victimization.

• In 2000, youth 12 through 17 had crime victimization rates over two times higher than adults, according to the National Crime Victimization Survey (NCVS). The overall rate of violent crime for youth ages 12 through 17 is 57 per 1,000, compared to 23 per 1,000 for adults and 38 per 1,000 for all persons.

• Victims 12 through 17 constitute 23% of all violent crime victims, according to the NCVS.

The approximate total number of violent crime victims from birth through 17 is 1,935,000:

• 1,380,000 twelve through 17 year olds
• 555,000* birth through 11 year olds

*Estimated from NCVS data using 1999 National Incident-based Reporting System (NIBRS) data indicating 1 pre-teen victim for every 2.5 teen victims.

In 1999, the number of juvenile crime victims known to police estimated from NIBRS is 1,300,000:

• 930,000 twelve through 17 year olds
• 370,000* birth through 11 year old

*CCRC data analysis using NIBRS, 1999.

Crimes against youth are less likely to be reported to the police.

• In 2000, 36% of violent crimes against youth were reported to police versus 54% of crimes to adults.
• Only 12% of thefts from youth were reported, versus 32% of thefts from adults.

CCRC data analysis using NCVS 2000; see also - Finkelhor, D. and Ormrod, R. (1999). Reporting crimes against juveniles. Washington, DC: U.S. Department of Justice, Office of Juvenile Justice and Delinquency Prevention.

Youth are more likely than adults to face a weapon-toting assailant.

• In 2000, the rate for victimization with a weapon was 10.9 per 1,000 for youth, compared to 6.2 per 1,000 for adults.

Juveniles are more likely than adults to experience a victimization related injury.

• In 2000, the rate for victimization injury was 16.8 per 1,000 for youth, compared to 6.5 per 1,000 for adults.

  CCRC data analysis using NCVS 2000.

Now, for stats on children involved in accidental shootings.

http://www.childrensdefense.org/child-research-data-publications/data/protect-children-not-guns-2012.pdf

Children firearm deaths by category:

Accidental deaths by firearm: 2008 - 162 2009 - 138

Suicide: 2008 - 748 2009 - 800

Homicide: 2008 - 2037 2009 - 1855 (those would be violent crimes; don't forget the more than one million youth who are the victims of ALL types of violent crime each year.)

Up your ignorant lying a$$ with your bullsh!t claim that children are more likely to die by accidental gunshot than be a in "an altercation with a criminal".

No amount of statistics will ever convince someone who is pro gun to change their stand; just as statistics will never convince someone who is anti gun to change theirs.

Unfortunately, we were created as a violent species (thanks alot, whoever created us), and until our DNA is able to be changed rendering us peaceful, people will instinctively choose and fight to retain any method necessary to defend themselves; whether it be guns, knives or the thousands of nuclear bombs sitting in wait on American soil.

This is a violent world. Gun regulation will never lessen nor change that fact.

I'd rather be killed by a Knife or a car, I may have a few more hours to think about what a great life I've had;Guns are just to easy, assault weapons are ridiculous, statistics are chaotic at best..

I'd rather be killed by a Knife or a car,...

And I'd rather have whatever weapon necessary, including a gun, to protect my life.

Since violence in this world is a permanent constant, whose right is greater; yours or mine?

statistics are chaotic at best..

You are ignorant at best. At worst, and most likely, you or just an opinionated liar vomiting fabricated facts. Less than 200 accidental firearm deaths of children each year and you have the nerve to claim that accidental firearm death happens more than criminal confrontations where a child is the victim. Stupidity.

I hate typos.

...and most likely, you ARE just an opinionated liar...

Who said anything about accidental death? Could that be coming from that huge windbag you carry with you, spin-spin-spin..

Neighborhood, city, state, poor, rich, ethnicity, relationships, family, age all are contributors to gun killings, and their stats are chaotic as the guns themselves.

Since violence in this world is a permanent constant,

You sound like the good witch of the north..You can have your gun. Just not an assault rifle..

That's my fight an I'm sticken to it.

Who said anything about accidental death?

Uh... YOU DID.

Statistically, Ron, a child is FAR MORE likely to die from an accidental gunshot than to be involved in an altercation with a criminal.

That would be coming from the huge spin machine on your back.

Please, stick to your fight. The more ignorant liars on your side, the better for our side.

Tell me, if I just blindly use the word "statistically" before a fabrication does it then become fact? Apparently, in your world, it does.

Lusitania, I would rather not be killed at all myself. I live six blocks from the AZ/Mexico border fence and I'll take my guns any day for defending myself and my family. I personally prefer handguns for self and home defense. Assault rifles do not work very well in the close quarters of a house, but I do not begrudge those who choose to have them. That is their right. I just have no current use for one. I get the impression you might be a liberal anti gunner. Why don't you come down to my neck of the woods for a visit and get your eyes opened with a dose of reality. But of course that will never happen because you might find out you'd have to change your perceptions of what reality really is!If I am wrong about you, please accept my apologies in advance.

Lusi: One last thing. In post #3.7 you said:

I want to keep my Grandfathers rifle and my personal hunting guns...

If that is true AND you've significantly proven you don't know squat about them, {ie - "squeeze the hammer" and "pulsating triggers"}... Please, PLEASE, PLEASE, take a gun safety course! Don't be a statistic. The life you save might just be your own...

MOOOORE spin...I've had gun safety it was a requirement in my high school in my town.

It doesn't matter what you might think I know or own, You know exactly what I meant when said squeeze the hammer back OK puull the hammer back(was that good enough for mind to except).bolt action what have you.. A pulse trigger if you know how to use it requires you to click it once and then, if you have any talent (which I would give credit to anyone besides yourselves)requires you to just tap it for your next round..With a 30 round capacity its nothing but a slaughter machine..NO SPORT AY"

You need a lesson on Humanity,

Uh... YOU DID.

Statistically, Ron, a child is FAR MORE likely to die from an accidental gunshot than to be involved in an altercation with a criminal.

Again Ron "your simple" in what post did I say that..?

Please cite your sources...

Myth: More children are hurt with guns than any other method.
Fact: 0.1% of all deaths for children between ages 0-14 are from firearms. The rate for “children” 0-24 years old is 0.4%. (http://www.guncite.com/gun_control_gun_facts.pdf - page 10)

Ages 0-14 {CDC 2008}

Motor Vehicles: 34% {1593}
Suffocation: 28% {1294}
Drowning: 16% {745}
Fires: 8% {366}
Poisoning: 2% {94}
Falls: 2% {91}
Natural/environmental: 2% {78}
Firearms: 1% 62
Other: 7% {320}

Over the last two decades the number of unintentional firearm related fatalities among youth 14 years of age and under decreased by 78 percent, and by 49 percent in the last 10 years. {CDC 2008}

In 1996 there were only 21 accidental gun deaths for children under age 15. {CDC}

Boys who own legal firearms have much lower rates of delinquency and drug use and are
even less delinquent than non-owners of guns. {USDOJ}

The non-gun homicide rate for children in the U.S. is more than twice as high than other
western countries. And eight times as many children die from non-gun violent acts than from
gun crimes. This indicates that the problem is violence, not guns. {Office of Juvenile Justice and Delinquency Prevention}

Fatal gun accidents for children ages 0-14 declined by almost 46% from 1975 to 1995, and
60% for all ages – all while the number of guns per capita increased by almost 40%.

82% of homicides to children age 13 and under were committed without a gun. {FBI Uniform Crime Statistics}

The CDC reports that a total of 31,513 died in 2010 from guns, 11,105 of which were homicides. {With approximately 600 of the remaining 20,408 being accidental in nature, leaving approximately 19,800 as suicides.}

Historical Flashback: Today, the annual number of unintentional firearm-related fatalities is down 81% from a high of 3,200 in 1929. {National Safety Council Injury Facts, 2011 edition}

Now, you keep calling it "spin". Nobody is spinning any of what you are writing. You may as well be writing "thing-a-ma-jig" or "who-zee-whats-it" and expecting everyone to figure out what you're thinking, just because you can accept {not except} what you think you're writing. Because, for all intents and purposes, if you expect everyone to understand what you are thinking when you're writing something else, it makes you look like a complete moron.

I'm glad you figured out how to "pull the hammer back", but you needn't go off "half-cocked"...

BTW - It took me a while to figure out the PROPER terminology for what YOU are calling a "pulsating trigger". From everything I was able to ascertain, it's actually called "Bump Firing". It's a rather poor imitation of going full auto. And NOBODY in their right mind does that, except at the firing range, where it is SAFE to do so. It wouldn't work worth a damn in a real world scenario.

That said, you have a nice New Year. {confetti}

Motor Vehicles: 34% {1593}
Suffocation: 28% {1294}
Drowning: 16% {745}
Fires: 8% {366}
Poisoning: 2% {94}
Falls: 2% {91}
Natural/environmental: 2% {78}
Firearms: 1% 62
Other: 7% {320}

MURDER

5x5

Your a fag moron

I've been called worse. I'll post to you what I posted to someone else, with similar attributes, on a different forum earlier Monday.

News Flash Utopia does NOT exist. Never has, and NEVER will.

Now take your thinking and apply it to areas where children are dying because of starvation, disease, war, abuse, etc. Nobody lives forever. And yes, loosing even one young life is a tragedy. It was devastating for my wife and I when we lost our first child... And he/she never made it to even being born. But it wasn't the end of the world. {That was a couple weeks ago!} We ended up having four more. So put things in their proper perspective and lets do the best we can keeping the ones we can, as safe as we can.

Evil people will ALWAYS be there, and we MUST have the NECESSARY TOOLS to protect our children, and ourselves with. Respect the tool applies everywhere. I did not fully respect a band-saw and almost lost a thumb to it. {Ban band-saws! sarcasm} The same thing goes with a gun... Be it Nail GUN, Staple GUN, and Hand GUN. Rifle and shotgun, too...

I'll stick with facts. You can stick with whatever you choose to believe.

"Judge a man by his questions, rather than his answers." -- Voltaire

"We must reject the idea that every time a law's broken, society is guilty rather than the lawbreaker. It is time to restore the American precept that each individual is accountable for his actions." -- Ronald Reagan

"For those who understand no explanation is necessary. For those who do not understand no explanation is possible." -- Thomas Aquinas

The assault rifle has to go period

SpiddasI've been called worse.

Also a cheap shot

Lusitania,

You flaunt your ignorance like jewelry. And, like the ship, you've been torpedoed and sunk.

As for the founding fathers comment,

Cram the founding Fathers... Sorry that it is but we are past that and into a new age, its called 21twenty first century America.

please cram it yourself. They, at least, had the guts to go out into the world and take action, and not cower behind anonymity while spouting pointless comments. Please tell us your 14 years old and using Dad's computer so at least we can forgive your behavior as immaturity. Stick to World of Warcraft and updating your facbook status.

Times have changed...I believe in our Founding Fathers only to a certain extent..The history books tell a story that makes it all warm and fuzzy and forgets to tell you about the flaws they had that our currant and previous administration are exposed to you, you hold them precious to heart and then "spit on or name call our President elect". He says something has to be done, I stand by that..So get away from your keyboard I'm sure spongebob is on..

Times may change, but people have not.

Politicians change their stance to get elected. Statesmen, do not. The Founders were most certainly Statesmen... Their KNEW their history, therefore their stance was firm. Countless documents show this to be true. You are entitled to your "opinion". But we all know what opinions are like, don't we?

Torpedoes away!!!

"As long as people believe in absurdities, they will continue to commit atrocities" -- Voltaire

"Only 2 things are infinite: The universe and human stupidity, and I'm not so sure about the former." -- Albert Einstein

"The only thing more dangerous than ignorance is arrogance" -- Albert Einstein

"A free people ought not only be armed and disciplined, but they should have sufficient arms and ammunition to maintain a status of independence from any who might attempt to abuse them, which would include their own government." -- George Washington, First President of the united States {NOTE: This demonstrates that the People are to have access to military grade weapons.}

"If ye love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home from us in peace. We seek not your counsel, nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains set lightly upon you; and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen". -- Samuel Adams

"We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution." -- Abraham Lincoln

”A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity.” -- Sigmund Freud

”If someone has a gun and is trying to kill you, it would be reasonable to shoot back with your own gun.” -- The Dalai Lama

"By calling attention to ‘a well regulated militia,’ ‘the security of the nation,’ and The RIGHT OF EACH CITIZEN ‘to keep and bear arms,’ our founding fathers recognized the essentially civilian nature of our economy... The Second Amendment STILL remains an important declaration of our basic civilian-military relationships in which EVERY CITIZEN MUST BE READY TO PARTICIPATE IN THE DEFENSE OF HIS COUNTRY. For that reason I believe the Second Amendment will ALWAYS be important." -- John F. Kennedy

"No power on earth has a right to take our property from us without our consent." -- John Jay, first Chief Justice of the United States (1789–95)

"Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed; as they are in almost every kingdom in Europe. The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword; because the whole body of the people are armed, and constitute a force superior to any band of regular troops that can be, on any pretense, raised in the United States. A military force, at the command of Congress, can execute no laws, but such as the people perceive to be just and constitutional; for they will possess the power, and jealousy will instantly inspire the inclination, to resist the execution of a law which appears to them unjust and oppressive." -- Noah Webster, An Examination of the Leading Principles of the Federal Constitution (Philadelphia 1787). {NOTE: IF the whole body of the People are armed AND constitute a SUPERIOR force, it could ONLY happen if they are armed with military grade weapons.}

"The rights of the individuals are restricted only to the extent that they have been voluntarily surrendered by the citizenship to the agencies of government." -- City of Dallas v Mitchell, 245 S.W. 944

"None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free." -- Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

"America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." -- Abraham Lincoln

“People who object to [privately-owned] weapons aren't abolishing violence, they're begging for rule by brute force, when the biggest, strongest animals among men were always automatically 'right.' Guns ended that, and social democracy is a hollow farce without an armed populace to make it work.” -- L. Neil Smith

“[The disarming of citizens] has a double effect, it palsies the hand and brutalizes the mind: a habitual disuse of physical forces totally destroys the moral [force]; and men lose at once the power of protecting themselves, and of discerning the cause of their oppression.” -- Joel Barlow, ‘Advice to the Privileged Orders’, 1792-93

“No matter how one approaches the figures, one is forced to the rather startling conclusion that the use of firearms in crime was very much less when there were no controls of any sort and when anyone, convicted criminal or lunatic, could buy any type of firearm without restriction. Half a century of strict controls on pistols has ended, perversely, with a far greater use of this weapon in crime than ever before.” -- Colin Greenwood, in the study "Firearms Control", 1972

“Let us hope our weapons are never needed --but do not forget what the common people knew when they demanded the Bill of Rights: An armed citizenry is the first defense, the best defense, and the final defense against tyranny. If guns are outlawed, only the government will have guns. Only the police, the secret police, the military, the hired servants of our rulers. Only the government -- and a few outlaws. I intend to be among the outlaws.” -- Edward Abbey, "Abbey's Road", 1979

“Education is dangerous - Every educated person is a future enemy...” -- Hermann Goering

The people of the various provinces are strictly forbidden to have in their possession any swords, short swords, bows, spears, firearms, or other types of arms. The possession of unnecessary implements makes difficult the collection of taxes and dues and tends to foment uprisings.” -- Toyotomi Hideyoshi, Shogun, August 1588

“Every Communist must grasp the truth, 'Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun.’” -- Mao Tse-tung, 1938, inadvertently endorsing the Second Amendment

“False is the idea of utility that sacrifices a thousand real advantages for one imaginary or trifling inconvenience; that would take fire from men because it burns, and water because one may drown in it; that has no remedy for evils, except destruction. The laws that forbid the carrying of arms are laws of such a nature. They disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes. Can it be supposed that those who have the courage to violate the most sacred laws of humanity, the most important of the code, will respect the less important and arbitrary ones, which can be violated with ease and impunity, and which, if strictly obeyed, would put an end to personal liberty -- so dear to men, so dear to the enlightened legislator -- and subject innocent persons to all the vexations that the guilty alone ought to suffer? Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man.” -- Cesare Beccaria, in ‘On Crimes And Punishments’, later quoted by Thomas Jefferson

"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." -- Benjamin Franklin

Glug, glug, glug...

"No power on earth has a right to take our property from us without our consent." -- John Jay, first Chief Justice of the United States (1789–95)

Ah, where was he when eminent domain materialized?

Just as with most of the original laws, this too has been massively abused. We originally held our land under what was called "Allodial Title". This meant property taxes did not exist. As the Banksters entered the picture, they were able to get things "attached" that allowed property taxes to take shape. At his point in time, I am just learning about what is out there regarding the topic. And as I am not well versed in this subject, the only thing I can say is, "Seek and ye shall find." {Something to do with a "bond" placed on the property.}

I should have expected a comment like this, but it still made me laugh anyway.

..a non firing replica you knuckle heads...you can buy them, just like "inert" hand grenades from magazines and the internet....you can not fire them DUHHHHHHH.

That's funny....

Here is the funny part, they were probably Hollywood props originally, and after the making of the movie or show, they had no use for them, because they were useless, and threw them away, and somebody probably dug them out of the trash.

Rocket launchers are weapons of death? Naw couldve fooled me. Just what do you suppose they are used for? Please.

That's alright...I have my thermonuclear warhead ready in case the crime gets too bad in my neighborhood or if I want to go hunting.

(since some of you obviously can't recognize it...this is sarcasm)

And they lived happily ever after.... Oh I do so love a good fairy tale!

Did any of the above read the Jim-952823 post? If you had, you wouldn't have posted some of them, I think. His factual statement makes your asinine comments sound even dumber.

That's only half the problem. These days, reporters who are supposed to look into the facts, really get some information and fully disclose it, are too lazy to do it. I am against assault weapons and military weapons in civilian hands, but let's not go crazy here: These are empty fiberglass tubes. You can use them to fix your plumbing or support your deck if you want. As dangerous as a PVC pipe.

+1 on you friend. I'm scrolling through the comments thinking can everyone just be this dumb? I used to have a pineapple grenade sitting on the shelf in my bedroom. Obviously it had its guts pulled and was made a paperweight.

Never ruin a good story with the facts!

Reagan made it so the media can report anything they want. Not the truth. Fox News would be screwed if they could only report the truth. So would most news agencies.

And what pray tell do you think will happen to the guns that are turned in? They will be sold @ auction for capitol to run the police department in the same way that impounded vehicles are sold @ auction. You people are fools....

This is Faux News style reporting, its just not on Fox.

"When one shot is all you get make it an AT4." One shot is all you get with those suckers.

It really is a matter of choice, to arm or not to arm. It is a right, though not an obligation to do so, especially against fellow citizens. If communities choose to make a gesture to their neighbors of trust by un-arming themselves, I don't see a problem. The problem in my mind about guns in schools is that education is compulsary,not a choice, and may conflict with other peoples community lifestyle wishes.

I have never been in an armed Black church in my life, and I'm not six years old, in spite of what happened at Birmingham and the fact that gangbangers have no respect for sanctuary when an enemy has a church funeral. Some rights are better not exercised, like Freedom of Speech that negatively affects your business, voting for the lesser of two evils, when you don't believe in said evil, representing yourself in court, buying a house downwind of a pig farm, I could go on. Collateral deaths from urban gunfights is one of the big motivators for these type of events, not something that is evident in a legal gun community like Arizona not because of the guns, but because they don't have as many gunfights. We just have to examine the choices of why people exercise or abstain from a right and respect it accordingly.

Allen I'll agree some rights are best when they don't have to be exercised. However, that doesn't mean that they should remove my right. I have't seen this much false reporting by media since Vietnam. If they talk about guns they don't have to talk about PSYCHOTROPICS that have been linked to every outbreak of violence. Don't watch news they won't tell you the truth. Distrust anyone who try's to remove your ability to defend yourself. Demand an Answer from your politician if he/she allowed MILITARY DRONES over the heads of American citizens. If your politician did FIRE THEM.

They are NOT rocket launchers. They are nothing more than what were LAW 66 - Light Anti tank weapon but are NOW nothing but the empty tubes as they are one shot only and then toss away. You can buy them online as they can not be reloaded. What a crock from the PD.

The general public is too ignorant to know the difference, and they know it. Even if the buffoons didn't know they were inert trainers or useless, they accomplished their publicity goal.

I think the media should really start looking into what the hell they are reporting. Even the police have NO IDEA what that is. As a matter of fact, they are Anti-Tank Rocket Launcher or AT-4 in the military. It is a single use rocket tube and without the projectile.......it is basically useless. IT CANNOT BE RELOADED. The firing mechanism is scrap after it is used. Basically just a show piece now. Congrats to the state of California for buying a rocket tube that has absolutely no use what so ever.

@Tony Gerula

Congrats to the state of California for buying a rocket tube that has absolutely no use what so ever.

For $200 each at that! Wish I had a closet full for the next time!

We have a 'turn-in weapons for money' too. My question is what REALLY happens to those turned in? Some say they are destroyed, melted down, or resold. Is there an overall Govt agency (realizing this is a State/city issue) that keeps track of destroying them or do they sit in some warehouse forever or do they end up back out on the street? Is there any way to verify what really happens to them?

you must be kidding!!! someone used something generally safe when in the hands of a law abiding citizen in an illegal manor!! this cant be! lives lost in the process too! I'm so scared! we should regulate vehicles so we can only own ones that drive a limited speed and hold a fewer number of people in them. that will stop it! we should also put Breathalyzers in them so you cant start the vehicles with out proving your sober. if one person is a criminal we must all be treated like one. "the greatest amount of good for the fewest amount of people" god bless America. alcohol should also be illegal because people miss use that all the time. think of the number of people date raped or killed in a DUI. Panic omg panic! lets ban it all and pass out straight jackets to the mass population. regulation solves all crimes! before guns no murders ever happened! if you cant own a high capacity magazine you cant kill large numbers of people. this is the stupidest debate i have ever read about! people seriously arguing over a preferred method of their loved ones being killed rather then how to stop the desire of nut jobs committing crimes like the last school shooting. if that nut job used fire as his means to commit his mass killing would we still be debating this issue? maybe we would be trying to regulate gas cans and matches..... we all need to take our heads out of our asses and start working to fix the social break down in our society that causes these attacks on our liberties. taking away one liberty to try and protect another just leaves us more constrained as we are still violated by none law abiding citizens. hell lets take away freedom of speech that way nobody ever says anything offensive. right to trial so you will never be persecuted.

lol idiots

but even so had no place on the streets, police said.

Because if you run over one it could seriously damage your car!

That is just asinine! Anything could be left in a street that could damage a car!

Does it hurt, being that stupid?

No....stupid would be defending the content of this story,and I'll just bet you're more than willing to do that.

Knock yourself out,numnuts,are these empty tubes a threat to the public....?

C'mon don't be shy.

God isn't going to answer you because he doesn't want to be stupid........

I think you've made your point, johnipa.

wolfpack2000,

"God isn't going to answer you because he doesn't want to be stupid........"

Ummm...................Too Late!

@-god

Does it hurt, being that stupid?

You should already know the answer to that!

I wonder what they would of payed for the 2x4 with the words "High Power Rifle" written on it, that that bone-head walked into the school with a while back?

@Arthur Konyak

Next they will be banning water pistols or pistol grip water nozzles for watering lawns.

That's not too far fetched. Cops in Long Beach, Ca. shot and killed a guy holding a pistol grip nozzle on his back porch, because some "citizen" called to report a man with a gun!

Agenda!

P.S. I don't agree on assault ban. Military hardware including tanks, artillery, ships, and warplanes have been in civilian hands since the founding of this country. A gatlin gun is a meat grinder with attachments.

Even though they are fake, they could be used in a bank robbery rather easily.

Jesus Christ Bob.....you can rob a bank with your dick in your hand too.....just start screaming you got herpie.

Bob-620072,

"Even though they are fake, they could be used in a bank robbery rather easily"

Ummm.........I was going to insult you but decided "Naah To Easy"

A Han Solo Blaster could be used in one too..........or an Imperial Stormtrooper Blaster Rifle........a Star Trek Phaser or even a Frickin' Lightsaber ! DUH. I could build something scarier out of cardboard for crying out loud. I'd personally be far more afraid if somebody pointed YOU at me.

I wonder how the cop in the photo managed to keep a straight face long enough to have a photo taken, and i bet that tube will end up in his office or in his house.

>rockster06< Probably the reason the reporter didn't check into the validity of the "rocket launchers"(the fact that these were decorations); Reporter probably had a degree without any education. Degrees can be had online.

@Bob-620072

Even though they are fake, they could be used in a bank robbery rather easily.

Only if the teller is as stupid as you. Where are you going to conceal it Bob?

If they brought those guns to a gun store, they would have received more and
cash money, not a gift card and gun stores don't ask questions. Also, there is
no amnesty, nor no questions asked, the police do ask questions and if the
firearm is or was involved in a crime, you are going to be arrested on the spot.
Doesn't matter if you found it or someone else gave it to you, if the ballistics
or serial number of any gun that is turned in was used in a felony crime in the
past regardless of who else did it, the person turning in the gun will be
arrested. Consult a lawyer before you surrender in a gun to one of those
programs. The media does not mention the dozens of arrests of some of the
participants surrendering their guns because if they did, no one would
participate.

Maybe they could be converted into spud guns....

Tom H. ###### --

You beat me to the punch-line, but I still have to tell this story:

Many years ago I made a potato gun ("spud gun"). It had 6" pvc thick walled chamber with a long 3" pvc barrel. I made the trigger from a stove ignition device, and had a place to attach the hair-spray can. I painted the thing camoflauge and even attached a fake (useless) scope of 3/4 inch pvc on top. It looked sweet! One time, I went camping with some friends in the mountains and had great fun shooting potatoes against the opposite canyon cliffs (environmentalists, don't worry, the only effect it had on nature was that the chipmunks over there probably got really fat from having so much pulverized potato to eat that summer). We took lots of pictures.

This was back in the day (way back) when the only way to get pictures was to drop the negatives off at a developing place and return a few days later for the photos. Well, when I returned to pick up my pictures I was told by the clerk that they had been given to authorities because of "suspicious activity". I went home and set the potato gun in the garage, fully expecting a knock on the door in the middle of the night. But I never heard a thing. Apparently there was someone in government who was smart enough to realize that the pictures were of a potato gun. The thing that really ticks me off is that I never got the photos on the same roll that showed the 30" brown trout that I caught on the same trip....

I guess police today aren't as smart as police of 25 years ago.

Have you heard of A/G Eric Holder ???

Harry, have you ever heard of the Russian RPG? There are a lot more of those in Mexico than there are other types. You also may not be aware that many types of weapons have been provided to the Mexican military and police forces. In more instances than Mexico will admit to, Mexican armories have been raided for weapons by cartels and/or Mexican military weapons have been sold by the thousands on the black market by the Mexican military and police themselves. This is the main reason that the Mexican government is extremely hesitant to provide U.S. authorities with serial numbers of weapons captured from the cartels, as it would show the the incompetence and complicity of the Mexican military and police forces. AG Eric Holder knows this full well and uses it to full advantage in Obama's anti gun campaign, and in collusion with Mexican authorities when they claim all those guns came from the U.S. all right! They are just real careful to omit the above info to most of the American public. They also will not admit that many weapons that are captured actually come up from Central and South America from governments down there that we provide weapons to. Of course they were manufactured in America, but they were legally provided to foreign governments for their use.

Harry, you really need to learn to read between the lines when listening to what you hear from leftist liberal sources before you try to throw blame on our active duty military!

If they brought those guns to a gun store, they would have received more and
cash money, not a gift card and gun stores don't ask questions. Also, there is
no amnesty, nor no questions asked, the police do ask questions and if the
firearm is or was involved in a crime, you are going to be arrested on the spot.
Doesn't matter if you found it or someone else gave it to you, if the ballistics
or serial number of any gun that is turned in was used in a felony crime in the
past regardless of who else did it, the person turning in the gun will be
arrested. Consult a lawyer before you surrender in a gun to one of those
programs. The media does not mention the dozens of arrests of some of the
participants surrendering their guns because if they did, no one would
participate.

If it has a better mpg than my car......I'll take it.

If they brought those guns to a gun store, they would have received more and
cash money, not a gift card and gun stores don't ask questions. Also, there is
no amnesty, nor no questions asked, the police do ask questions and if the
firearm is or was involved in a crime, you are going to be arrested on the spot.
Doesn't matter if you found it or someone else gave it to you, if the ballistics
or serial number of any gun that is turned in was used in a felony crime in the
past regardless of who else did it, the person turning in the gun will be
arrested. Consult a lawyer before you surrender in a gun to one of those
programs. The media does not mention the dozens of arrests of some of the
participants surrendering their guns because if they did, no one would
participate.

Why is it that, every time someone uses the word "sheeple", they turn out to be retarded?

You just used it,you tell us.

ha ha......touche'

Just S.T.F.U! No one really cares.

I care. Abraham Clark cared, Ben Franklin cared...BTW A.Clark is my great Uncle.

I care this much!

IN CONGRESS, July 4, 1776

The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America

When in the Course of human
events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands
which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the
earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's
God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that
they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be
self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator
with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the
pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted
among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That
whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the
Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government,
laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such
form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.
Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be
changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath
shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable,
than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed.
But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same
Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their
right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new
Guards for their future security.--Such has been the patient sufferance of
these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter
their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great
Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct
object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove
this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world.

He has refused his Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and
necessary for the public good.

He has forbidden his Governors to pass Laws of immediate and
pressing importance, unless suspended in their operation till his Assent should
be obtained; and when so suspended, he has utterly neglected to attend to them.

He has refused to pass other Laws for the accommodation of large
districts of people, unless those people would relinquish the right of
Representation in the Legislature, a right inestimable to them and formidable
to tyrants only.

He has called together legislative bodies at places unusual,
uncomfortable, and distant from the depository of their public Records, for the
sole purpose of fatiguing them into compliance with his measures.

He has dissolved Representative Houses repeatedly, for opposing
with manly firmness his invasions on the rights of the people.

He has refused for a long time, after such dissolutions, to cause
others to be elected; whereby the Legislative powers, incapable of
Annihilation, have returned to the People at large for their exercise; the
State remaining in the mean time exposed to all the dangers of invasion from
without, and convulsions within.

He has endeavoured to prevent the population of these States; for
that purpose obstructing the Laws for Naturalization of Foreigners; refusing to
pass others to encourage their migrations hither, and raising the conditions of
new Appropriations of Lands.

He has obstructed the Administration of Justice, by refusing his
Assent to Laws for establishing Judiciary powers.

He has made Judges dependent on his Will alone, for the tenure of
their offices, and the amount and payment of their salaries.

He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms
of Officers to harrass our people, and eat out their substance.

He has kept among us, in times of peace, Standing Armies without
the Consent of our legislatures.

He has affected to render the Military independent of and superior
to the Civil power.

He has combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction
foreign to our constitution, and unacknowledged by our laws; giving his Assent
to their Acts of pretended Legislation:

For Quartering large bodies of armed troops among us:

For protecting them, by a mock Trial, from punishment for any Murders
which they should commit on the Inhabitants of these States:

For cutting off our Trade with all parts of the world:

For imposing Taxes on us without our Consent:

For depriving us in many cases, of the benefits of Trial by Jury:

For transporting us beyond Seas to be tried for pretended offences

For abolishing the free System of English Laws in a neighbouring
Province, establishing therein an Arbitrary government, and enlarging its
Boundaries so as to render it at once an example and fit instrument for
introducing the same absolute rule into these Colonies:

For taking away our Charters, abolishing our most valuable Laws,
and altering fundamentally the Forms of our Governments:

For suspending our own Legislatures, and declaring themselves
invested with power to legislate for us in all cases whatsoever.

He has abdicated Government here, by declaring us out of his
Protection and waging War against us.

He has plundered our seas, ravaged our Coasts, burnt our towns,
and destroyed the lives of our people.

He is at this time transporting large Armies of foreign
Mercenaries to compleat the works of death, desolation and tyranny, already
begun with circumstances of Cruelty & perfidy scarcely paralleled in the
most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy the Head of a civilized nation.

He has constrained our fellow Citizens taken Captive on the high
Seas to bear Arms against their Country, to become the executioners of their
friends and Brethren, or to fall themselves by their Hands.

He has excited domestic insurrections amongst us, and has
endeavoured to bring on the inhabitants of our frontiers, the merciless Indian
Savages, whose known rule of warfare, is an undistinguished destruction of all
ages, sexes and conditions.

In every stage of these
Oppressions We have Petitioned for Redress in the most humble terms: Our
repeated Petitions have been answered only by repeated injury. A Prince whose
character is thus marked by every act which may define a Tyrant, is unfit to be
the ruler of a free people.

Nor have We been wanting in
attentions to our Brittish brethren. We have warned them from time to time of
attempts by their legislature to extend an unwarrantable jurisdiction over us.
We have reminded them of the circumstances of our emigration and settlement
here. We have appealed to their native justice and magnanimity, and we have
conjured them by the ties of our common kindred to disavow these usurpations,
which, would inevitably interrupt our connections and correspondence. They too
have been deaf to the voice of justice and of consanguinity. We must,
therefore, acquiesce in the necessity, which denounces our Separation, and hold
them, as we hold the rest of mankind, Enemies in War, in Peace Friends.

We, therefore, the Representatives of the united States of
America, in General Congress, Assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the
world for the rectitude of our intentions, do, in the Name, and by Authority of
the good People of these Colonies, solemnly publish and declare, That these United
Colonies are, and of Right ought to be Free and Independent States; that they
are Absolved from all Allegiance to the British Crown, and that all political
connection between them and the State of Great Britain, is and ought to be
totally dissolved; and that as Free and Independent States, they have full
Power to levy War, conclude Peace, contract Alliances, establish Commerce, and
to do all other Acts and Things which Independent States may of right do. And
for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of
divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes and
our sacred Honor.

Button Gwinnett, Lyman Hall, George Walton

I've been reading these comments for years and I have compiled a list of key words that signal the poster is a complete idiot. Here is the list in no paticular order;

Typical

Kool-aid

Sheeple (good job noticing it god)

Lamestream media

MSM

Libtard

Obummer

Ron Paul

Kenyen

Socialist

This list is in no way complete.

AIR THEIF

DHS has a career for you. They even made their own college courses for homeland security.

Your a perfect candidate.

Lets see all the things that make this Government idiotic and cause people to use words like sheeple

NDAA indefinite detention of American citizens w/o due cause or trial by peers.

Can't pass budget

oath breakers of the Constitution

Prison state surveillance state

undeclared wars

fiat banking crisis paper money

forced health care

wars all over the world

keep following the blind!!!!

@AirThief

It is sad that your list doesn't include a single corresponding word used by similar posters from the "other side". That would be honest, instead of just kind of funny.

If they brought those guns to a gun store, they would have received more and
cash money, not a gift card and gun stores don't ask questions. Also, there is
no amnesty, nor no questions asked, the police do ask questions and if the
firearm is or was involved in a crime, you are going to be arrested on the spot.
Doesn't matter if you found it or someone else gave it to you, if the ballistics
or serial number of any gun that is turned in was used in a felony crime in the
past regardless of who else did it, the person turning in the gun will be
arrested. Consult a lawyer before you surrender in a gun to one of those
programs. The media does not mention the dozens of arrests of some of the
participants surrendering their guns because if they did, no one would
participate.

U.S. Aviator..Enough already. STFU

IN CONGRESS, July 4, 1776

The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America

When in the Course of human
events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands
which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the
earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's
God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that
they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be
self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator
with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the
pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted
among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That
whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the
Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government,
laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such
form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.
Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be
changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath
shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable,
than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed.
But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same
Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their
right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new
Guards for their future security.--Such has been the patient sufferance of
these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter
their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great
Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct
object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove
this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world.

He has refused his Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and
necessary for the public good.

He has forbidden his Governors to pass Laws of immediate and
pressing importance, unless suspended in their operation till his Assent should
be obtained; and when so suspended, he has utterly neglected to attend to them.

He has refused to pass other Laws for the accommodation of large
districts of people, unless those people would relinquish the right of
Representation in the Legislature, a right inestimable to them and formidable
to tyrants only.

He has called together legislative bodies at places unusual,
uncomfortable, and distant from the depository of their public Records, for the
sole purpose of fatiguing them into compliance with his measures.

He has dissolved Representative Houses repeatedly, for opposing
with manly firmness his invasions on the rights of the people.

He has refused for a long time, after such dissolutions, to cause
others to be elected; whereby the Legislative powers, incapable of
Annihilation, have returned to the People at large for their exercise; the
State remaining in the mean time exposed to all the dangers of invasion from
without, and convulsions within.

He has endeavoured to prevent the population of these States; for
that purpose obstructing the Laws for Naturalization of Foreigners; refusing to
pass others to encourage their migrations hither, and raising the conditions of
new Appropriations of Lands.

He has obstructed the Administration of Justice, by refusing his
Assent to Laws for establishing Judiciary powers.

He has made Judges dependent on his Will alone, for the tenure of
their offices, and the amount and payment of their salaries.

He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms
of Officers to harrass our people, and eat out their substance.

He has kept among us, in times of peace, Standing Armies without
the Consent of our legislatures.

He has affected to render the Military independent of and superior
to the Civil power.

He has combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction
foreign to our constitution, and unacknowledged by our laws; giving his Assent
to their Acts of pretended Legislation:

For Quartering large bodies of armed troops among us:

For protecting them, by a mock Trial, from punishment for any Murders
which they should commit on the Inhabitants of these States:

For cutting off our Trade with all parts of the world:

For imposing Taxes on us without our Consent:

For depriving us in many cases, of the benefits of Trial by Jury:

For transporting us beyond Seas to be tried for pretended offences

For abolishing the free System of English Laws in a neighbouring
Province, establishing therein an Arbitrary government, and enlarging its
Boundaries so as to render it at once an example and fit instrument for
introducing the same absolute rule into these Colonies:

For taking away our Charters, abolishing our most valuable Laws,
and altering fundamentally the Forms of our Governments:

For suspending our own Legislatures, and declaring themselves
invested with power to legislate for us in all cases whatsoever.

He has abdicated Government here, by declaring us out of his
Protection and waging War against us.

He has plundered our seas, ravaged our Coasts, burnt our towns,
and destroyed the lives of our people.

He is at this time transporting large Armies of foreign
Mercenaries to compleat the works of death, desolation and tyranny, already
begun with circumstances of Cruelty & perfidy scarcely paralleled in the
most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy the Head of a civilized nation.

He has constrained our fellow Citizens taken Captive on the high
Seas to bear Arms against their Country, to become the executioners of their
friends and Brethren, or to fall themselves by their Hands.

He has excited domestic insurrections amongst us, and has
endeavoured to bring on the inhabitants of our frontiers, the merciless Indian
Savages, whose known rule of warfare, is an undistinguished destruction of all
ages, sexes and conditions.

In every stage of these
Oppressions We have Petitioned for Redress in the most humble terms: Our
repeated Petitions have been answered only by repeated injury. A Prince whose
character is thus marked by every act which may define a Tyrant, is unfit to be
the ruler of a free people.

Nor have We been wanting in
attentions to our Brittish brethren. We have warned them from time to time of
attempts by their legislature to extend an unwarrantable jurisdiction over us.
We have reminded them of the circumstances of our emigration and settlement
here. We have appealed to their native justice and magnanimity, and we have
conjured them by the ties of our common kindred to disavow these usurpations,
which, would inevitably interrupt our connections and correspondence. They too
have been deaf to the voice of justice and of consanguinity. We must,
therefore, acquiesce in the necessity, which denounces our Separation, and hold
them, as we hold the rest of mankind, Enemies in War, in Peace Friends.

We, therefore, the Representatives of the united States of
America, in General Congress, Assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the
world for the rectitude of our intentions, do, in the Name, and by Authority of
the good People of these Colonies, solemnly publish and declare, That these United
Colonies are, and of Right ought to be Free and Independent States; that they
are Absolved from all Allegiance to the British Crown, and that all political
connection between them and the State of Great Britain, is and ought to be
totally dissolved; and that as Free and Independent States, they have full
Power to levy War, conclude Peace, contract Alliances, establish Commerce, and
to do all other Acts and Things which Independent States may of right do. And
for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of
divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes and
our sacred Honor.

Button Gwinnett, Lyman Hall, George Walton

Awww. little avi learned to paste! How cute!

If they were actually checking for stolen guns,good for them. They didn't use to, they were a good place to get rid of a hot weapon. If they are checking it means They're not getting any of the guns that gangbangers or other criminals are using just taking guns from good people.

IN CONGRESS, July 4, 1776

The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America

When in the Course of human
events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands
which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the
earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's
God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that
they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be
self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator
with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the
pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted
among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That
whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the
Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government,
laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such
form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.
Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be
changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath
shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable,
than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed.
But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same
Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their
right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new
Guards for their future security.--Such has been the patient sufferance of
these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter
their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great
Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct
object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove
this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world.

He has refused his Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and
necessary for the public good.

He has forbidden his Governors to pass Laws of immediate and
pressing importance, unless suspended in their operation till his Assent should
be obtained; and when so suspended, he has utterly neglected to attend to them.

He has refused to pass other Laws for the accommodation of large
districts of people, unless those people would relinquish the right of
Representation in the Legislature, a right inestimable to them and formidable
to tyrants only.

He has called together legislative bodies at places unusual,
uncomfortable, and distant from the depository of their public Records, for the
sole purpose of fatiguing them into compliance with his measures.

He has dissolved Representative Houses repeatedly, for opposing
with manly firmness his invasions on the rights of the people.

He has refused for a long time, after such dissolutions, to cause
others to be elected; whereby the Legislative powers, incapable of
Annihilation, have returned to the People at large for their exercise; the
State remaining in the mean time exposed to all the dangers of invasion from
without, and convulsions within.

He has endeavoured to prevent the population of these States; for
that purpose obstructing the Laws for Naturalization of Foreigners; refusing to
pass others to encourage their migrations hither, and raising the conditions of
new Appropriations of Lands.

He has obstructed the Administration of Justice, by refusing his
Assent to Laws for establishing Judiciary powers.

He has made Judges dependent on his Will alone, for the tenure of
their offices, and the amount and payment of their salaries.

He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms
of Officers to harrass our people, and eat out their substance.

He has kept among us, in times of peace, Standing Armies without
the Consent of our legislatures.

He has affected to render the Military independent of and superior
to the Civil power.

He has combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction
foreign to our constitution, and unacknowledged by our laws; giving his Assent
to their Acts of pretended Legislation:

For Quartering large bodies of armed troops among us:

For protecting them, by a mock Trial, from punishment for any Murders
which they should commit on the Inhabitants of these States:

For cutting off our Trade with all parts of the world:

For imposing Taxes on us without our Consent:

For depriving us in many cases, of the benefits of Trial by Jury:

For transporting us beyond Seas to be tried for pretended offences

For abolishing the free System of English Laws in a neighbouring
Province, establishing therein an Arbitrary government, and enlarging its
Boundaries so as to render it at once an example and fit instrument for
introducing the same absolute rule into these Colonies:

For taking away our Charters, abolishing our most valuable Laws,
and altering fundamentally the Forms of our Governments:

For suspending our own Legislatures, and declaring themselves
invested with power to legislate for us in all cases whatsoever.

He has abdicated Government here, by declaring us out of his
Protection and waging War against us.

He has plundered our seas, ravaged our Coasts, burnt our towns,
and destroyed the lives of our people.

He is at this time transporting large Armies of foreign
Mercenaries to compleat the works of death, desolation and tyranny, already
begun with circumstances of Cruelty & perfidy scarcely paralleled in the
most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy the Head of a civilized nation.

He has constrained our fellow Citizens taken Captive on the high
Seas to bear Arms against their Country, to become the executioners of their
friends and Brethren, or to fall themselves by their Hands.

He has excited domestic insurrections amongst us, and has
endeavoured to bring on the inhabitants of our frontiers, the merciless Indian
Savages, whose known rule of warfare, is an undistinguished destruction of all
ages, sexes and conditions.

In every stage of these
Oppressions We have Petitioned for Redress in the most humble terms: Our
repeated Petitions have been answered only by repeated injury. A Prince whose
character is thus marked by every act which may define a Tyrant, is unfit to be
the ruler of a free people.

Nor have We been wanting in
attentions to our Brittish brethren. We have warned them from time to time of
attempts by their legislature to extend an unwarrantable jurisdiction over us.
We have reminded them of the circumstances of our emigration and settlement
here. We have appealed to their native justice and magnanimity, and we have
conjured them by the ties of our common kindred to disavow these usurpations,
which, would inevitably interrupt our connections and correspondence. They too
have been deaf to the voice of justice and of consanguinity. We must,
therefore, acquiesce in the necessity, which denounces our Separation, and hold
them, as we hold the rest of mankind, Enemies in War, in Peace Friends.

We, therefore, the Representatives of the united States of
America, in General Congress, Assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the
world for the rectitude of our intentions, do, in the Name, and by Authority of
the good People of these Colonies, solemnly publish and declare, That these United
Colonies are, and of Right ought to be Free and Independent States; that they
are Absolved from all Allegiance to the British Crown, and that all political
connection between them and the State of Great Britain, is and ought to be
totally dissolved; and that as Free and Independent States, they have full
Power to levy War, conclude Peace, contract Alliances, establish Commerce, and
to do all other Acts and Things which Independent States may of right do. And
for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of
divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes and
our sacred Honor.

Button Gwinnett, Lyman Hall, George Walton

Destructive devices are federally legal and allowed in some states after extensive background check and tax stamp. http://www.atf.gov/firearms/guides/importation-verification/firearms-verification-nfa-destructive-device.html The items turned in to LAPD where Empty disposable tubes, Not rocket launchers.

@ Troy

Yeah, you better run for the hills & give up all of your rights because the police said so. If you don't then those scarey boogieman terrorist are going to chase you down & get you with their worthless painted metal tubes...ah, I mean scarey rocket launchers. LOL

wow....there's nothing scary about your picture. nice bikini.

Anyway......People need to go to some of these gun shows and see for themself what's legal what's not.

Thats probably a dudes picture he got out of a magazine

IN CONGRESS, July 4, 1776

The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America

When in the Course of human
events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands
which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the
earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's
God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that
they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be
self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator
with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the
pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted
among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That
whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the
Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government,
laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such
form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.
Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be
changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath
shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable,
than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed.
But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same
Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their
right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new
Guards for their future security.--Such has been the patient sufferance of
these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter
their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great
Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct
object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove
this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world.