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Subscribe to RSSJACKSON, Miss. -- Five young siblings and one adult died early Saturday when a sport utility vehicle went off an eastern Mississippi road and plunged into a rain-swollen creek, authorities said.
Neshoba County Sheriff Tommy Waddell said the victims appear to have drowned after their Dodge Durango left a county road 20 miles southeast of Philadelphia just after midnight Saturday.
Deputy County Coroner Marshall Prince identified the five children who died as Dasyanna John, 9; Duane John, 8; Bobby John, 7; Quinton John, 4; and 18-month-old Kekaimeas John. Family friend Diane Chickaway, 37, also died. The sheriff said all were members of the Mississippi Band of Choctaw Indians and lived in the Pearl River community east of Philadelphia, where the tribe operates a large casino complex.
The father of the children, Dewayne John, escaped the vehicle and remains hospitalized for hypothermia and water inhalation. The children's mother, Deanna Jim, and Chickaway's husband, Dale Chickaway, also survived. The group was traveling to Conehatta, another Choctaw community, with Dewayne John driving. Waddell said he has been tested to see if he was under the influence of alcohol, though he said official results aren't in. If officials decide to file charges, Waddell said they probably wouldn't act until Wednesday.
It appears none of the nine occupants of the vehicle were wearing seat belts or were in child restraints, the sheriff said.
"It's always sad to hear of the death of a tribal member, but today our tribe experienced a great tragedy with the loss of six beautiful Choctaw souls. I cannot begin to imagine what the friends, relatives and loved ones are feeling," Tribal Chief Phyliss J. Anderson said in a statement. "There are no words that can express our sincere condolences to such a horrific accident. I join many of you in the outpouring display of love and support shown to the families during this difficult time. Our thoughts and prayers are with them."
The crash happened on County Road 107, in a rural area near the Neshoba-Newton county line. Heavy rains have deluged the area in recent days, raising the water level of what Waddell described as a normally small creek. The SUV ran off the left side of the road into the creek near the Kitchner community.
The sheriff said it wasn't raining and there was no ice on the road. "This accident is not weather related at all," he said.
Divers from the Philadelphia fire department had to be called to find the submerged vehicle. Prince said the vehicle was pulled from the water after 3 a.m. In addition to the 30 emergency workers, about 20 Choctaw tribal members gathered at the site, he said.
"It looked like he has just run off the road and went into the water," Prince said. "It was deep and swift. The vehicle was completely submerged."
Waddell said the bodies have been sent to Jackson for autopsies. The Mississippi Highway Patrol will reconstruct the accident starting Sunday to learn more.
Tribal spokeswoman Misty Dreifuss said funeral arrangements would likely be made Sunday. She said the children are expected to be buried together. Dreifuss said word of the deaths spread quickly through the 10,000-member tribe and that members "definitely have been hit pretty hard."
Waddell said that he can't recall a deadlier accident in the county in his 26 years of law enforcement.
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Rest in peace.
Horribly sad tragedy. My thoughts are with the remaining family.
I feel sorry the family. But how do 3 adults make it out without trying to save at least 1 child especially if they are your own kids?
Rest in Peace.
But I have to ask, why is this so common? Each and every year someone 'accidentally' ends up driving their, usually, van or SUV directly some body of water, killing children and sometimes themselves. I live within miles of the beach and have NEVER heard of anyone driving their car into the surf, accidentally or not.
If I had little indian kids, they would have looked just like these kids.
Clarkjoebob.... How do you know that they didn't try? Without being in the situation, it does no good to make assumptions.
@Barry Soeetoro
WTF is wrong with you? Because it sounds like the problem is deep seated and needs the treatment of a highly experienced psychiatrist. Run, don't walk!
Stupidest comment of the morning. Well done. Now, get off your mom's computer before she catches you.
First thing I though of when I read this article was how long it was going to take someone to post the retarded 'ban SUV's' idiocy.
Apparently not long at all...Thanks for keeping my expectations of you very, very low.
I am wondering why the title in the article mentioned what type of vehicle went into the river....As if the car itself was responsible, rather than the driver, or the road or some animal.....Regardless, a sad day for them all,
Time for the prez to put together a panel to see if we need to ban SUV's. The perfect head of this panel would have been Ted Kennedy if he was still alive since he had some first hand experience of putting a vehicle into the drink......no pun intended. I have the answer......lets limit the gallons of gas you can put in a SUV to 10 gallons instead of 30 gallons....just like limiting the amount of rounds that can be put into a gun magazine. What good would this do ?????? NONE..... just wanted to sound stupid like all of the gun control nut jobs out there. Got to go, heading off to the local gun show to stock up.
Steve,
Cars have purpose beyond being a killing machine - guns do not.
Horrible trajedy. Thought and prayers with family. Maybe the government will wake up and ban SUV's. They are a horrible, gas guzzling. instrument of mass destruction.
Linda Brown You owe your freedom to bash them because people died using them to obtain that right for you.. Liberals are so willing to give up rights that millions have died to give you and protect for you.. When I hear you Socialist in Chief saying that it should be rewritten as their are too many road blocks in it that makes me sick.. He should have been impeached for this and several other reasons..
Guns do not have a purpose beyond being a killing machine ??? Well all of mine are used as sport to shoot at targets. Now if you see this as killing then I am guilty. Just like you said in your simple sentence but please let me rephrase it for you....."Cars are a killing machine" BUT they have other purposes so they are OK in the eyes of the liberal society we live in. My guns ARE a killing machine but serve no other purpose in your eyes or the liberal media. Shooting targets is a hobby I choose and I haven't killed anyone yet. Matter of fact I don't know of anywhere you fill an arena full of guns and say boys have at it and start shooting each other like they do in NASCAR, Formula 1, etc. And guess what we PAY MONEY to watch the participants "race" when we all know what we really want to see are the wrecks and a few deaths if we should get so lucky. I think you have convinced me Linda, cars are pretty much harmless since they only killed 32,000 people last year. I have changed my mind Linda and now lets limit SUV's to 5 gallons and it has to be ethanol. This will serve 2 purposes.....1) When they go into the drink (sorry Ted) they won't sink as fast giving people more of a chance to escape and 2) When the ethanol spills out of the tank it will be friendly to the environment. Dang I think I'm going to run for congress. Solved 2 problems today and never had to get out of my pajama's.
Driver: "We don't need no phukking seatbelts! - Phukk that ridiculous government law!!"
Days later... HEADLINE NEWS: Driver / Family sues; 1. car manufacturer(no visible warnings to use seatbelts), 2. County government (County road built too close to Creek), 3. Ashphalt mfr (road not banked like a speedway), etc...
Question: How the Phukk do you not buckle up your kids in a car at the very least? You wanna kill your dumb-azz self, go ahead...but at the very least...buckle up those too young who don't know any better! This dumb-azz should be banned from filing any lawsuit - - What a frikkin shamed!
*Asphalt
Like you I only shoot targets and that is very rare. I quit hunting about 3 decades ago. I possess a fairly large gun collection. 98% of them are historically significant antiques. The few which have detatchable magazines hold less than 10 rounds. Like guns motor vehicles do not kill people. People kill people.
Cars kill more people each year than guns . . . AIR POLLUTION ! ! ! Thousands of people die every year from complications of air pollution from cars. And all those poor souls with breathing problems, struggling every day. and not to mention all the poor cute animals that get hit every minute. It's time to look at limiting the number of cars on the road. One per family! And put all those kids on buses instead of mommy providing limo service to their honor student (they're all honor students aren't they?) This tragedy could have been avoided. And you know, if it saves one child's life it's worth it right?
Dang. Wisconsinwarrior beat me to the punch. Why isn't this being plastered on front pages everywhere? Because it has no propaganda value to advance the socialist agenda in the country.
How many more people have to die? Outlaw all automobiles now! Tens of thousands die every year from these death traps and in the wrong hands they become dangerous weapons. Call your representatives now and demand an automobile ban!
Hi ! How about taking the gun debate to any of the 3,000 other f*cking threads that are already up about guns? Or do you have so little thought capacity that the only thing you're capable of thinking about IS guns? If so, by all means, continue! As tragic as this incident is, the sheer stupidity of those posting the 'ban SUV' comments is amusing.
I'm not talking about guns Chris. I'm talking about the socialist takeover of the USA.
Reasoning with Chris never works, so dont worry about it.
Wow...how sad:(
Very tragic ending for these young ones and this family friend.I can't imagine the nightmares the survivors will be going through.
They could have buckled their SEATBELTS!
You are right, they should have been wearing seatbelts, but I have to ask if in this case that would have been any help. They were submerged in water - seatbelts wouldn't have done much good in this case.
Weston-1515171 I agree with your comment,but some people have a one track mind when it comes to seat belts.Seat belts are a good thing 99% of the time IMO,but there a few time when I would not wear a seat belt.As you stated the car was underwater,how could seat belts have helped then? I spent 22 years in the military we never used seat belts in our tactical vehicles.
I wonder, do authorities know for a fact that they did not remove the seatbelts when they hit the water?
Quick, let's ban SUVs.
Idiot. This is a tragedy. Why be facetious?
he's not, suv's r the worst handling vehicles on r roads!!!
"Tragedy is when I cut my finger. Comedy is when you fall into an open sewer and die." ---Mel Brooks
I knew some idiot would just have to say this. Idiots now say this in every single story or article about a death, no matter the cause.
You're not funny. You're not even scathingly witty. You're just very sad.
It is a tragedy, but I can see why the statement was made- Kneejerk=stupid. Thus, his statement regarding banning SUV's is stupid- just as someone calling for a ban on guns is stupid because a mentally deranged person chose to use them to kill other people. You see, the same day in China a man used a meat cleaver to attack a grammer school, so should we ban knives because they are designed to cut? Alcohol kills many more thousands then guns in the US annually (ingesting, DUI/DWI deaths, etc.) so should we try (again) to eliminate alcohol?
Then there is the misnomer that creating a new law outlawing guns will save us all. That's quaint, but stupid too. If that were true then our making drugs illegal would have stopped people from buying/selling/distributing/and using heroin, cocaine, marajuana, crack, pcp, acid, etc. etc. etc. All of those are illegal, but somehow people whom choose to disregard the laws continue to use them. If laws cured society's ailes then just imagine how much money we would currently be saving by not having police shut down drug operations, the justice system trying and storing the criminals, the lack of need for rehab institutions and anti-drug drugs, the lack of need for public education on the dangers of drugs, the saved money from burials of drug users, runners, dealers, etc.... But that just doesn't add up in reality. Reality is that Chicago had over 500 gun deaths this year, yet you can't own a gun there legally. Washington DC, can't own them but all of the policiticians need heavily armed guards all around them and have personal details.
Just don't buy the hype.
It makes some out there feel like they are mentally superior when they can throw around statements, as if they are lawyers, politicians, and speakers for the masses. Consider it a downside to the internet.
NYJoe...excellent post....I feel the problem is deeper as many of the shooters were on antidepresants. These pills will make you numb to feelings and one loses inhibitions...
2little2late: before you start talking about antidepressants, you might want to have your facts straight. I have been under treatment for depression for many years, so I know from experience what effect antidepressants have. You say they "make you numb to feelings". On the contrary, that's what depression did to me - I wasn't able to feel joy, or enthusiasm, or even the mildest interest in life. I didn't even feel UNhappy - just numb. Taking medication for my condition - which is a medical condition like any other - allowed me to feel emotions and enjoy life again. It didn't make me bounce off walls with uninhibited joy - it just allowed me to be the normal person I was BEFORE the depression started. As for losing inhibitions - I have no idea where you got that. Because I CARE about things now, I'm much more thoughtful about my behavior and how it might affect other people - which I didn't give a damn about when I was depressed. So you are 100% wrong.
But are SUV's meant for killing people? Is that an SUV's only purpose? To kill? I think not!
Michael23141243
Quick, let's ban SUVs.
Dang you beat me too it
and douchric your an idiot
Why? Because they make a valid point? YOU'RE the idiot, booby.
SUVs and cleavers aren't made to kill or mame. Guns are, dummies. I can't wait until one of you gun-toting boneheads gets a taste of your own medicine.
Oh, and before you call others "idiot", Boby; you may want to learn the difference between "your" and "you're." IDIOT!
I've had three SUVs, including a Durango, and towed boats behind them safely at 75+ mph. They all handled perfectly fine for me, including while escaping hurricane winds in Florida. But then again, I also race cars as a hobby and know how to handle a vehicle and sense trouble and correct for it before it happens.
My husband and I are gun owners and each of us has a concealed handgun license. Law abiding citizens such as us, who are able to think and act rationally are not the ones to worry about. Guns don't kill people. People kill people. And as Charlton Heston said "from my cold dead hands". We are members of the NRA and believe teachers should be able to arm themselves. Israel has the right idea. Thank God we live in Texas.
It's funny how pissed off people get when I make a satirical comment painting our current culture. If this was a story about a gun accidentally (or even purposely for that matter) killing a kid, everyone jumps into offense mode toward guns.
Seriously. It's funny watching you people play out.
rbjk0174s..., You anti-gunners are so close minded and stupid.
How many times do you thing guns have been used to save lives?
Many of our armed service members have benefited from learning how to responsibly handle a firearm at an early age. This type of marksmanship helped save many lives. One classic example is Sergeant York. If any of you dared to read any of the NRA periodicals, you would find that there are many law abiding citizens who have used firearms to thwart many serious crimes where persons lives are in danger. Most times a shot is not even fired. Our law enforcement use firearms to serve and protect (save lives).
I dare all of you anti-gunners to take a romp up in some of Alaska's areas where the bears frequent, and don't forget NOT to strap on a 44mag for your protection.
Yes, guns (firearms) are designed to kill, but they save lives. You anti-gunners want to take them away from the law abiding citizens. You are the ones who are responsible for many deaths by not allowing more law abiding citizens to have the means to protect themselves.
Like I said, go take a walk in bear country without a gun.
The article is about people dying in an SUV. Take your gun comment to any of the 3,000 other threads about guns and try sticking to the topic and not an afenda.
" suv's r the worst handling vehicles on r roads!!!"
It's arguable whether or not SUVs are the "worst handling" vehicles. But this is not really the problem. The problem is that few people who drive them are qualified to do so. In this country a person can take their driving test for a license in something like a Honda Accord and then go out and, quite legally, jump into a 6,000 pound SUV with a much higher center of gravity and consequently much different handling requirements.
An inexact analogy, but you don't train someone to fly a Cessna 152 (2-seat trainer) and expect they are automatically qualified to fly a Cessna 208 Caravan (much larger and complex turbo-prop). They are not.
This accident is a tragedy. It's sad to hear of these children dying in this accident. What is also sad is that, apparently, NOBODY was wearing a seat belt, nor were there child seats for the youngest children. Having plunged into a swollen creek would this have made a difference? Maybe not, but it still speaks to irresponsibility of the adults.
Thank you jetjoky! That's a good analogy even for the non-pilots to understand. Most of the SUV accidents I've seen on the highways and interstates were rollovers, likely from over controlling in gusty winds or momentarily going off the road and over correcting. Some were towing something and probably fish tailed with an improperly balanced trailer load (more weight on the back half than where it should be focused: the front half) or towing too fast.
In any event, nothing gets my goat more than seeing a 5' 2" 110lb woman driving an Escalade or QX45 like it's a sports sedan. They are accidents waiting to happen...especially in and around shopping malls. There is nothing "sporty" about a sport utility vehicle whatsoever.
yes, suv r not only gas hogs, but handle like a blind man on a unicyle!!!!
What did A and E ever do to R? Did they stop talking to each other? You obviously have the ability to type, you can spell, at least have the common decency to prove you were educated when posting. It's hard to take anyone seriously when they type like a mentally deficient 12 year old pre-teen girl on a cell phone.
I bet my SUV can outhandle whatever car you drive.
11sec...and there's the problem.
Guitarick1....handle as opposed to what?
All those adults survived and none of the children were saved? I wouldn't have started for the surface without at least one of the wee ones in my arms; the guilt must be unbearable.
Monday morning quarterbacking. I love it.
StrangeBlood.......where the fuk were you when the Twin Tower fell ??? I'm sure you would've save everyone before it collapse.
He is suffering from water inhalation and hypothermia...I want to think, at least until further explanation is given, that was the result of trying to save his children. When it's dark in some of those areas you can't see anything much less when you get underwater.
I will add that I would prefer to drown trying to save my children than live without them.
Lame labels. I love it.
Well, the kids weren't even in child safety seats. It seems the kids were not a priority in the first place. It's like those that leave their wee ones in a car, engine running, to dash into a convenience store. You wouldn't leave a pot of gold in your unlocked vehicle, keys in the ignition. And your children are so much more valuable. What is wrong with people?
These are people from the Choctaw tribe of Indians.Have some respect for these families.They were inhabiting this land before all of you disrespectful posters who are arguing about guns and making unfunny jokes about SUV's, and safety seats.I am wishing the best recovery of these survivors spirits and their other family members.
Straneblood I agree completely, wolfpack you are an idiot! LMFAO. Are you serious? Im pretty sure that there were hundreds of people that took the time to save other people when 9/11 happened! A lot of them died trying to save other people, people that were complete strangers to them so your comparison is not valid in any way. Not to mention its a completely different situation altogether! SMH!
Another one listened to the propaganda and now has bit the dust. You can fool most of the people but there is a select few who don't believe the moslems were the cause of 911 but the u.s. govnt.
Sad day in hell ain't it: Since the link does not post go to you tube and type in "911 Press for Truth." You can watch the whole thing via you tube. Also Jesse Ventura's conspiracy theory on the Pentagon was the clincher!
What?
Amanda, you can't even spell the people you hate. Your rants sound like boiled mushrooms are in play.....
Amanda,
Alcoa called. Your hat is ready.
What in the holy frakking hell does the WTC have to do with this? What kind of moron are you, anyway?
Wait...you're a Truther-Moron. My question has been answered.
Amanda! wake up dear it was all a bad dream. Here, take your meds, they'lle make those bad dreams go away. The doctor told you to stop watching willy wanka and the chocolate factory. I'm gonna have to write this in my report.
ease up on Amanda, fellas. I don't think she deserves all the negative comments. It wasn't that bad.
Exactly, Wolf. All these morons start with the attacks like the person meant it personally. They live to spew boring cliches and expressions. Yaaawn. Take your meds? Gee, what a novel retort.
How is it remotely possible in this day and age that people do not know how to get out of a sinking vehicle?
Unless one is a total moron and lives under a rock, there is absolutely NO excuse for any one of those children, and their father, to have died. None at all.
Tragic and completely pathetic.
Do us all a favor and drive your car AT NIGHT into the water. Then tell me how clear your thinking is in freezing cold water. We can put 5 pillows in your car. I dont want to see you on shore until you have retrieved all of them.... Oh and you better do all of that in less than 2 minutes, otherwise they all drowned.
For someone who is "anti BS" you should stop posting it....
Another Monday morning quarterback. I love it.
The father survived. Hello?
I would guess booze is involved...sad day.
How about we all take a moment to pray for the victims and their families instead of arm-chair quarterbacking? 5 little kids lost their lives and will never grow up to see what their lives could have been. 1 adult had her life cut short and won't see her kids grow up. As for causes of the accident, the article doesn't give one...it's still under investigation.
Since the article doesn't mention booze, please avoid speculation. It was around midnight and dark..fact. The weather has been bad (rain-swollen creek) and the road may have been slick, visibility minimized...a strong possibility. Due to the late hour the driver may have been tired, possibly falling asleep at the wheel or distracted...also possible.
You see, there are a large number of variables which might have lead to the accident and all of them more likely than drunken driving. Which makes me wonder why SoggyDawg and some others in this forum brought it up in the first place but neglected to explore other more likely possibilities.
Oh wait...the victims and survivors are all Choctaw Indians and as everyone knows ALL Indians are alcoholics so booze is the only possible answer (heavy sarcasm there if you haven't guessed).
You know that old adage about assuming? Take the first 3 letters of "assume"...that's what we make of ourselves when we assume things. Better to keep one's mouth shut - or fingers off the keyboard - and reserve judgement until all the facts are in.
Ummm, Evil Tessmacher, possibly sheer panic?
You don't know the sense of panic until it actually happens to you. Think about all the Republicans saying "If only someone had a gun!" Well, ABC News teamed up with a police department and did a test where a fake shooter came into a room and each person (who was being "tested") was armed and didn't know what was going on. Even the guy with 100 hours of gun shooting practice would have been fatally shot. I know this is with guns and not an SUV in water but it's an example that you don't know the sense of panic until something like that actually happens to you.
Must ban evil suv's.No one needs an suv. Save the children now.
Fre-######## obviously only has one comment....ever. Please man, come up with something else since you are obviously way more intelligent than the rest of us. I would hate to be so sheltered and alone that all I can do to entertain myself is criticize others opinions and not have the ability to form my own....sad.
I am so sick of the titty baby libs calling for a ban on guns. Not gonna happen libs. This is America. I have the right to keep and bear arms. And I am a law abiding citizen. I go by the book. Nutjobs who want to get their hands on a gun or two or three, will find a way, ban or no ban. If someone busts down my door that I don't know, they will get hit with hot lead. Simple as that. I am DEFENDING myself and my family.
Regarding the "panic" situation that some lib brought up regarding guns, I was at home alone when I heard a loud crash downstairs that caused my house alarm to go off. I grabbed my 9mm and carefully proceeded down the stairs, sweeping rooms. Turns out a bird flew into my window and triggered the alarm system.I did not panic and I was so glad to have a way to defend myself if the "perp" had been a would-be rapist, murderer, et al instead of a bird. I WOULD NOT have hesitated to pull the trigger.
I'ma liberal, I'm against a ban on guns. So, I take your little
A little offensively.
Aside from that, what kind of gun do you own/ use? Because I doubt that, that is the sort of gun that they're trying to ban. Personally, I'm sick of hearing conservatives whine and complain about gun control as if that's the worst thing that any American has ever been denied. No where in these amendments that you all like to quote does it say anything about types of guns. I don't really see much sense in banning types of guns either, but maybe conservatives will get a taste of being denied things for once.
I have a 9mm, as does my husband and we own several other guns that are on the so-called "should be banned according to libs" list. As far as rights being denied are concerned, I am not a Democrat nor a Republican. I vote for the candidate I think is best fit for the job at hand. Barry isn't it. And he never will be. George W wasn't either. Some call me a lib because I am pro-gay marriage, pro-choice and the only thing Barry and I agree on are these points. But I am not a one or two issue voter.
So, if you don't consider yourself a Republican or a Democrat, why do you think it's fair to call out liberals for the gun ban? You don't think anoyone else feels that way? That doesn't seem right.
tellbabyy.....there are liberal republicans as well. Liberals, generally, are the ones who want to ban firearms. Granted, there are some liberals who don't, but there certainly isn't a majority of pro-firearms liberals.
i'm not disputing that. It just seems to me that it isn't fair to call out liberals for this. I would say the same of any group.
I think part of the problem in America is that everyone wants to generalize things and not hold individuals responsible. An individual person makes their own decision based on their individual life experience.
Liberals generally call for an assault rifle ban -- not in all cases like tellbabyy but generally. And Republicans generally call for no ban. See? Not trying to sway the conversation but I was using that as an example for my point.
I just find it depressing that Olivia lives in a place where she has to relax and watch television with a 9mm on her lap. It must be hard to live in fear all of the time.
Wow where to start...first of all this has nothing to do with guns take that @!$%# somewhere else! Second of all, to the people talking about banning suvs or cars in general im not even going to waste my time arguing such stupidity! SMH...Now to talk about the actual incident. Something just seems off about the whole thing and its apparent when you read the story that the law enforcement investigating the accident feel the same. As a mother there is NO way that im swimming out of my car to safety while my 5 children who are alive and drowning are still in the vehicle. There were 3 adults, one of which had to be in the back seat with the children, yet all of the children were still in the car? Im not buying it. The accident itself is a mystery since there seems to be no apparent reason for it to have happened to begin with. However, I could let that go cause maybe something we don't know about yet caused it. But I cant bring myself to believe that not even the body of 1 of the children was pulled out of the car.
My very sincere condolences to the survivors on their loss.
I truly hope that it was in fact only a horrible accident and NOT the result of alcohol.
Firewater is probably the word you were looking for
Five kids massacred in SUV crash. We need to ban them. How could someone get hold of such a deadly vehicle? Now that I have been sarcastic. I truly am sorry for the family and friends of them. However, I am sure there are many familys and freinds of familys mourning such accidents this Holiday season and we never hear about them. Over 30,000 people will die on US roads this year. Please drive carefully.
You're another nitwit. How long are you going to post "ban it" whenever you hear about a death from any cause?
Fibman, why couldn't you express your sympathy without the sarcasm? It's in poor taste and it is getting old. It seems that you wanted to make a political point first and foremost.
Kynetick; I have every right to be the way I am. I have buried four family friends this year due to car accidents. One was a lady on cell phone and ran a stop sign and killed a 24 year old mother of two. The next was when a young man playing with is SD player and rear ended their family van and killed their 6 year old son. The last two where caused by drunk drivers. They killed an 18 year old and 45 year old. So, tell me again that I am a nitwit. I f this was a gun would you be yelling to ban them. But, I guess you missed the the word sarcastic.
Fibman, I don't see anywhere in Kynetick's post where he/she said you don't have a right to be the way you are. Lives were lost, so sarcasm is in bad taste.
PeopleFirst, Yes, lives were lost. But yours and others false sympathy and sorrow is also in bad taste. You are so sorry. But, what have you done to stop it from happing again? I saw where you were driving to fast in snowy conditions. So much for careing about others. If your are not telling how I can be. Then why are upset about my sarcasm?
sympathy
Fibman, it seems you lack reading comprehension. No where did I say I was driving too fast in snowy conditions. Trying to make this a forum for your political agenda is in bad taste and now you resort to attack when it was pointed out.
Furthermore, you know nothing about me or anyone else on this forum, so you cannot judge the sincerity of our expression of sympathy. Yours is the only one you can judge.
Fibman, this isn't about you. And your stories are just that: stories with no way to verify they're even true. Doesn't matter if they are true. Your sarcasm isn't warranted, helpful, or smart.
No, I don't think a gun ban will help. I don't think anything we do on that score will help. People, as you so gleefully exemplify, are morons. And you can't fix stupid.
But there are several more stories about people dying today. I wouldn't want to take you away from the important work of posting "ban it" on each one of them. You'd better get to it.
My heart aches for this family. How tragic.
What I don't understand is why there were 4 adults and 5 kids in a 7 passenger vehicle.
My thoughts exactly!
Ignorance or lack of caring come to mind. When I started driving, there were no seatbelts required, no child car seats, no airbags, and no rules about how many people you could stuff into a car. My parents had six children, and my father's car had no seat belts. We all fit into the one car, as my mother did not drive, and they could not afford a second car. Somehow, we survived, solely due to the fact that my father was a careful driver, knowing the preciousness of his passenger load. Others were not so careful, or not so lucky, and they got toe tags.
Then came progress, and automotive safety was improved with things like seat belts, airbags, sturdy car seats for children, etc., but a lot of folks saw no use in them, and did not use them. So people still died needlessly, being ejected in crashes, or impaled on the steering wheel post, or hurled through the windshield. So the government mandated seat belt use, and child seat use, and that modern cars be manufactured with airbags, etc., and the death toll declined.
So yes, the driver's ignorance, or lack of concern about car seats, seat belts and the like is dismaying, but unfortunately, had everyone been belted and strapped in as they should have been, they probably would have died anyway. If alcohol was involved, and nobody knows that at this point, then the full weight of the law should be applied to the driver, and if it was not involved, the scope of the tragedy is still exactly the same. At this point, a tragedy is what this is, and anyone making baseless accusations, smug criticisms, or trying to turn this thread into some kind of political issue, should be in therapy.
RIP to all the victims who drowned. That is all that matters at this point.
Something like that happened many years ago near Detroit. A wife, husband and five children plunged into a body of water. All five children died, mother and father survived.
As things unraveled, turns out the father had been observed "scouting" the very area where they made the plunge some days before. He was charged, tried and convicted on all counts. The idiot wife stood by her man through it all. I'm pretty sure her dying was part of his plan as well, but apparently not quite everything went according to plan.
So while reading this story, you can imagine where my mind went. But I'm sure it was an accident. God bless the children.
If you're sure it was a an accident, why even bring the Detroit incident up?
Grammar, please provide reference to the Detroit "accident."
Ok, so this is unbelievably tragic, but what I don't understand is how that many people were even in the vehicle in the first place. I have a Durango and it seats 7 max. Five kids and four adults... do the math. Was there another vehicle involved... Everyone else at home. Did I misread this?!
The baby would need a carseat, so that leaves enough room for the four adults and one or two kids. The others must have been sitting on the laps of the adults. I wonder if the kids were thrown around in the vehicle making it impossible for the adults to grab the kids and save them. In any case, I am not sure how I would handle being submerged in cold water.
rest in peace
Very sad more kids had to die. RIP
I bet Obumer will want to ban all automobiles, or at least any that will hold more than five rounds, I mean five people.
Give it a rest John Carr. It is obvious that you have a political agenda, so you sympathies are meaningless.
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So if these kids were killed with a gun, you wouldn't be screaming to the mountains to ban guns? Oh, wait, that already happened. Ah, did you say something about politcal agendas?
MO, if you are targeting your remark at me, you are so far off target. You have no clue how I feel about guns, so please don't try to think for me.
People (ie. Commie), not trying to think for you, your union bosses do that already. So, are you against more gun control? Am I wrong? Please, tell me your wisdom. If I'm off target, tell me how you feel about guns.
I rest my case. People who cannot think logically and have an intelligent conversation resort to name-calling. Why is the subject of guns relevant to this accident. Get off your soapbox and don't try to side-track the conversation!
Sorry to burst your bubble. I don't work for a union boss.
Those with the smallest brains always seem to have the biggest mouths. Keep it up MO, maybe you can come up with more irrelevant comparisons to the number of gun deaths in the US. About 800,000 die from heart attacks or strokes every year, how about that one?
Let me try to make this as simple as possible for you:
An idiot shoots and kills 26 people----------------->Murder
Car crashes into a river----------------------------->Not murder unless malice aforethought is proven
Car crashes into a tree, driver killed--------------->Not murder
An idiot drinks too much and dies------------------>Not murder
Another idiot overdoses on heroin & dies---------->Not murder
If you have any statistics about any other methods of murder that surpass gun deaths and are not being addressed by the government, please present those numbers and we'll have a rational discussion.
Fu moron.
Most classy, most intelligent post all day.
Ban creeks.
moron.....
Four adults and five children. Probably all but the nine year old child needed safety seats (my eight year old niece uses one). I have my doubts that any of the children were in safety seats. I often see moms carrying toddlers on their knee so they can use the child as an airbag.
I have a seven seater suv. Seven is the maximum number of passengers allowed. I do not know any suvs that take nine passengers (Dodge Durango does not for sure). Perhaps overweight load caused the suv to go out of control. Suvs are certainly notorious for poor cornering - that is why drivers need to reduce speed. If the creek was swollen, then maybe the roads were also wet. Again, a reasonable driver needs to reduce speed (especially when you have precious cargo aboard).
I don't think its overweight. 2 of passengers were 4 years old and 18 months old.. Not much added weight. Maybe 100 lbs total? Probably just a speeding/visibility issue.
Regardless, tragic.
Toxicology tests hopefully prove to be unsubtantial.
There are 9 passenger SUVs. GM used to offer theirs with a front bench that could easily hold 9. If I had a middle bench instead of buckets I could probably get 9 in my Yukon, especially if 4 were small enough to go across the back seat (they're designed for 8, and so are are many others) .
concerned - you beat me to it. I am deeply saddened by this tragic accident. My heart aches for this family and the children. I don't understand why there were 9 passengers in a 7 passenger vehicle. Unfortunately I don't think you misread the article.
People first 1548888, Kiss my a** comes to mind.
Yep. Somehow I didn't expect more from you.
Oh come on now....John Carr, that's very childish. Let's play nice.
One of my college friends lost her life like this along with her three kids. This is profoundly tragic, keeping these families in my prayers.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mCmzJzTQv6Q
I got to quit watching the news cause it's tearing me up.
Good, I didn't want to go beyond your micro brain.
It seems to me that insecure people are the ones who attempt to insult others' intelligence.
Oh, what you have is 'intelligence'? Maybe see a therapist. I think liberals get those for free now, along with birf control.
Wow, MO. I see you are not the brightest bulb in the tool shed. You now label me a liberal and you don't know anything about me. Maybe you need to see a therapist or take your meds.
PF---you may not be a liberal...but "Take your meds"...you ARE either a liberal or you are a troll. Take your pick.
Hypothetical,
Acceptable comments?
Unacceptable comment?
It's ok for non-liberals to demean one's character, as long as the person they are demeaning is potentially a liberal?
Who's a troll?
An SUV that's PROPERLY driven by a sober, non-drugged, non-texting driver who's NOT looking at his/her passengers while he talks to them...will NOT plunge into a creek, even at night in bad weather. Bet the driver was turning to look at the passengers while yakking to them. The noise level may have been extreme, with five kids and four adults, possibly no discipline on the kids' noise level. Not the SUV's fault. It's the DRIVER'S, and partially the parents for not ensuring a safe ride, and they may have contributed to the driver's distraction. Go ahead, call me a MMQ, but things like this don't "just happen."
Fat, that may be true, but I have to disagree. Things like that do happen. Just last night we had a some snow and while driving on the highway, a car cut infront of me. I tapped my brakes, fish-tailed and almost ended up in the ditch. I was not distracted and my attention to what was happening prevented an accident.
We don't know what caused the car to go off the road, but wet or icy roads can cause the most attentive driver to lose control of his/her vehicle. My advice is to slow down, even if it annoys others who think they can go the speed limit on hazardous.
Uh, no. You didn't tap the breaks, you landed on them and then overcorrected. It's always someone (or something) elses fault, isn't it? Doesn't that give you pause? In less of course you are writing satire, then I say , well done.
Many, many roads in Mississippi are still dirt, and very slick when they are wet.
MO, you are trying so hard to come across as being a logical, intelligent being and you are missing the mark. So sad.
MO,
Were you there? Did you see this person slam on their breaks?
The only person that is blaming other thigns or people is you.
The NRA wants to know why there wasn't a security guard around to warn the driver that there was creek there.
There was, it's called a map, douchepraw.
Once again with the name-calling. You must be a bitter, angry person to want to hurl insult at everyone.
You lazy phuc get off trying to take my freedoms and get a job you obama lover.If you were my kid you would get a kick in the pants freeloader freedom taking obama lover.
Seems to me, obamasucks, that the only person trying to take someone else's freedom is you. Why do you assume this person has no job? Why do you assume this person is a freeloader? And if, persay, they do love Obama, what kind of insult is that?
"Ithink", if I were your kid, I would have shoved the barrel of one of your guns up your ignorant azz and put you out of your misery long ago....
Time to outlaw suv's we must do this now or more will die.
... said the retard.
So, you are against banning guns then?
Nobody is talking about banning guns! Where do you people get this nonsense?
jesus, you guys are way too irrational and panic way too easily to be responsible gun owners. Calm down. Nobody is going to ban guns. Not yet, anyway, but if you're going to panic about something that isn't even being discussed, you shouldn't be allowed anywhere near a gun.
Uh, hey god, what ithinkobamasucks said was satire. Do you know what that is? If you are a liberal, probalby not, it has been outlawed in libtardville. Anyway, you called him a retard (not very liberal of you) for making a satircal point; people died because of a car, so we must ban them (next class at 4:20).
So, name calling is a conservative trait then?
He may have reacted to a satirical remark, but your response was 100% irrelevant. Maybe his comment came from the fact that the death of anyone, let alone children, isn't really something to make a satirical remark of that manner toward. I get the whole devil's advocate position, but you're definitely way over using it.
And seat belt laws should be passed too......