I dont live in NYC. But most train stations have a thick yellow line that your not supposed to stand on. Thus if you fall or are pushed forward, you will fall onto the ground and not the tracks. Anyways, no exam is needed, she already said she did it because she hates muslims...

I live in NYC and the yellow line is probably about 1 ft. away from the edge. If you're standing right on or behind that line and you're pushed you're done for. At rush hour there's not much choice BUT to stand on that line. It's dangerous, and even though I've been riding the subway since I'm about 12, I still get nervous when It's packed and I'm close to the edge.

yes, yellow lines do prevent you from being pushed into an oncoming train.

The yellow lines are there as guidelines. Speaking as someone who takes public transit regularly, sometimes the platforms can be so crowded that you do indeed run out of space and end up standing on/in the yellow zone. Those yellow zones won't 'prevent you from getting pushed onto the tracks'--it's simply a color difference on the pavement.

Fry the idiot excuse for a woman.

If only people would bother to learn that India is not part of the middle east, most Indians are not Muslims (this guy was not either), and Hindus are not the same as Muslims (far from it), AND that Hindus had nothing to do with 9/11.

That's as ignorant as if a white American went to visit a non-white country, and everyone there thought he was the same as someone from the Soviet Union (I know it's Russia now, but it makes more of a contrast).

Ha Ha That would be half of americans especially moms trying to remember everything they are suppose to do in a day!

I make it a habit to keep distance from, and my eye on anyone who seems to be mumbling to themselves.

I used to say to myself "what a nut job!" and watch their antics but I know now they are ill and should be helped. It should be legal to lock mentally ill people up in institutions IF they demonstrate an inability to stay on their meds, and if they have any propensity for violence.

So half the country would be in a nut house.

those people used to be locked up. Then in the late 80s Reagan emptied out the nut houses and closed them down and those people were let to mostly fend for themselves. Not enough support today to keep people in their homes supervised (cheaper than institution) and few institutions now for chronically ill Hence the amt of crazy street people muttering.

Reagan closed them down long before the late 80's, but the rest of your post is right on point!

Thanks Reagan for closing down the mental institutions. Now we have to deal with all the crazy people randomly killing sane people.

Okay people is this the America we want???

Yes, unfortunately, it's the kind of America that the GOP Tea Party's white supremacists want. Far as they're concerned, if you come from a non-white immigrant family, you're dead. It's one of the reasons why they want unlimited, unregulated gun and ammo ownership. The power of death over life is a turn-on for them.

Because at times a 'joke' is therapeutic for the rest of society … ergo the concept of ‘comic relief’.

Did you hear the one about the loner and his assault rifle...

john: 10/10, would laugh again.

baliman

A person is murdered and some feel they have to make a joke about it. Yeah... it's real funny !!

"Tragedy is when I cut my finger. Comedy is when you fall down an open sewer and die." ---Mel Brooks

Which free country got toppled? The USA isn't even in the top 10 for personal freedoms, and that didn't just happen in the last four years.

The good news is the government (Congress, not Obama) voted to keep George W. Bush's wire-tap program - now when I forget what I told friends on the phone, I can just call the government and ask them what I said.

@J_P_PatchesPal_1

The USA isn't even in the top 10 for personal freedoms, and that didn't just happen in the last four years.

Source? Or did you just make it up?

Wow
another derange person killing someone! I am surprised the wise mayor did not
call for the end of subway trains to eliminate people killing! Face it people;
it is the sick Waco’s let out on the street that are the problem, not the guns
as the mayor claims. If someone really wants to kill; they will find a way as illustrated
here. The out of touch mayor’s response is; “let’s put this in
perspective". Let’s put this in perspective and treat the mentally ill and
leave the law abiding citizens alone!

...yeah, I liked that one myself. Mel Brooks is kool, too...

we were discussing the comment by john-537378

"Pushy woman.", weren't we? ...

Kimber....

you're an idiot.

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Why....

Stop blaming George H. Bush for the nation's problems.

H. was a Marxist? Hmm. Don't know about that one.

Laughing about a death is pathetic and heartless. A human life shouldn't be the subject of "comedic relief." Just admit that you like to make fun of serious matters until they affect you. While you are behind a computer you can live in your dehumanized state and make fun of a murder. As long as it is not in your living room, your kind think it is funny.

If a killer has mental problems, that's all the more reason to execute them. Rabid dogs get put to sleep, and these crazy murderers should be euthanized too. And yeah, people who make jokes about murder and death are ghouls, all the more because they are too cold-hearted to recognize that they are ghouls. If it was your partner or family member who got pushed to their death, would you be making jokes then, you friggin' tools?

Freedom4Everyone When was the trial? A lot of people assuming she's guilty. What happened to innocent until proved guilty? Oh I forgot this is the United Soviet States of America.

@2468z

What happened to innocent until proved guilty?

Ask George Zimmerman!

She'll probably get off with an insanity plea.

Charged with second-degree murder? That's BS. She'll plea bargain it down to manslaughter and be out on the streets again in 10 years or less. Some vigilantes need to string this b!tch up with piano wire.

2468z

Freedom4Everyone When was the trial? A lot of people assuming she's guilty. What happened to innocent until proved guilty? Oh I forgot this is the United Soviet States of America.

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I'm a Conservative myself but really? How much more PROOF do you need when a crime is committed in front of 10, 20,50+ people during rush hour at a subway station? There is a videotape of her running down the street from the scene. Not to mention, she incriminates herself with her own stupid mouth once she's taken into custody!

If this were a case in which NO ONE saw it, then maybe I could share your sentiment but in this particular case? No!

Freedom and John,

This woman is insane and she will get medicine and be out soon. When she forgets to take the medicine look out. Haven't we seen this before.

Your militant atheism is just as wrong as the American Sharia espoused by the Christian Dominionists. This is America where even a fool can have a freely expressed opinion.

Rains on the just and unjust. Problem is the unjust bring wrath on the just and themselves since the beginning of time. Time for this country to pay up for all its inmorality. Prayer of repentance is the only chance for this nation.

@Don Atl,

This woman IS culpable whether "insane" or not, and the fact that she fled the scene completely quashes any chances to feign insanity once her prosecution commences.

@kingsugar78 just what myself and George Carlin do/did, pray to Joe Pesci !

(YOUTUBE) /watch?v=tjVLJKR6g7U

"What a tough time of year this is to lose someone."

Yeah, I'm thinking late spring, maybe early summer would have been a whole lot better...really?

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Thank you, Dr. Phil.

And here I thought it was because they were amateur psychologists.

It was an accidental push!

Obviously ! she is mental ill, according to the news people who saw her pacing at the ceiling and mumbling before she pushed the man. A lot of these people are walking on the street. Her neighbor said she was hospitalized and caused trouble while she was there, clearly we need a better system to treat mental illness ,take them off the street otherwise, crime like this still continue to happen.

.45 bullet would treat her b.s. illness.

archangel,

".45 bullet would treat her b.s. illness." That would put you in jail.

Ban women

She couldn't possibly have done it! Only young white men are killers, just ask the libs. It must have been a young man in drag.

No. people on subways do.

Subways don't kill people all the time.

Agreed. You're talking about Ronald Reagan the patron saint of the Republicans who while they worship him, forget what he did. Reagan raised taxes and was a supporter of the social safety net. The recent Republicans, who are way too small to fill his shoes have cut the mental health programs to almost nothing. They support the rich who don't need it while cutting back on social programs designed to help the poor and middle class. Hopefully they will reap what they sow.

Ronald Reagan, as do most modern conservatives, believe in a social safety net...he didn't believe in the way welfare is being run. Go back and look..he supported "work" fare not welfare. Too many able bodied people would prefer to be on welfare because they don't have to work than to make not much more than welfare provides them and have to work!

Change the Headline,

And maybe it has something to do with the fact that most of the available jobs don't pay a living wage. In Reagan's time, a job paying $15,000 a year was more than enough to support a family. Most jobs available today to the common worker (read minimum wage) pay about that and do not provide a living wage. You folks keep trying to compare apples to oranges.

And "you folks" keep standing there with your hands out.....if minimum wage doesn't support a family then the answer isn't to pay people to not work. The answer might be to raise minimum wage if that's what is needed vice continuing to pay people not to work. "You folks" want to address thing that aren't the real issues. Or how about stop having children that you can't afford.

Or like Jimmy Carter? Or like Bill Clinton? Your cheerleading for one pack of theives or the other demeans your statements. Could Have easily mentioned the Kennedy names as well but you didn't. The crime here is that our politicians waste, have wasted and continue to waste sums of money stolen from the tax payers. Vast sums of money, the good they could do is immeasurable, it makes the crime of wasting it accidentally, or simply intentionally taking it out of the private sector where it could create benefits for eveyone, even more of a crime. But you keep on rooting for your team, while both sides basically bend the voters over.

Kaye if you seek to use history to prove a point stop cherry picking facts, wait, forgive I mistook you for a person who cared about history..as oppossed to those who care about the history that makes their pack of theives and rapists more attractive than the other pack of theives and rapists.

P.S. piglizard420. My original reply was in response to JohnKaye's MSN stretch of a statement that more less stated that Ronald Reagan would support expanding or not touching welfare vice welfare reform which "modern" conservatives support.

Back to the real issue which I do agree with and more closely aligns with this article. Mental health is a real issue as is the overall moral state of society. Society as a whole does not respect life as we once did. Complete disregard for anyone other than "self". Playing the blame game and/or giving the government more control of everything isn't going to fix anything. Personal accountability is a big issue in almost every aspect of these issues and as long as we pass the buck to the law abiding and hard working (be they rich, middle class, or struggling to survive) then we will do nothing to fix any of the criminal insanity or other socioeconomic issues that exist.

Thank you Rodd Starr...exactly my point.....Kaye making an MSN like response trying to point out that someone supports something that isn't really true when you really look at the facts and leaving out the real facts

Hey Rodd Starr.....you sound like me....next national vote I only need 1 spot to vote and a bingo wheel....that spot reads

NON-INCUMBENT.......Kick the whole lot of the crooked bastards out and see if a completely new bunch of thieves might be less crooked at least...at least it would revive the latter part of the statement, "a government for the people and BY THE PEOPLE"

piglizard420

Change the Headline,

And maybe it has something to do with the fact that most of the available jobs don't pay a living wage. In Reagan's time, a job paying $15,000 a year was more than enough to support a family. Most jobs available today to the common worker (read minimum wage) pay about that and do not provide a living wage. You folks keep trying to compare apples to oranges.

I remember, back in '79, a friend of mine, just graduated from college, landed his first career job that paid a whopping $200 (yes, two-hundred, not two-thousand dollars) a week (yes, that's right, a month, not a week) for a grand total of $10,400 a year. He was able to afford moving into his first apartment and buy his first car, a Monte Carol with swivel seats (the height of luxury). Two years later, another friend took a new job that paid $1,000 a month - that's $12,000 a year, and we were all so jealous. She moved in a "luxury" apartment complex with a three-bedroom, two-bath unit complete with a balcony/patio overlooking a lake and a swimming pool. She also purchased a new car and spent two weeks on vacation in Disney World. Somebody making $15,000 a year back then? They were Bill Gates. A relative who was a doctor make an average of $35,000 a year - he was rich. Another relative was the CEO of a major bank in Chicago and he made $45,000 a year - you should've seen the mansion he lived in. We're talking about the 1980's, not the 1910's. I was in graduate college in the 80's and worked three part-time jobs. That was enough not only to cover the tuition, but an apartment, buying campus-provided health insurance (full coverage), have my own apartment in complex that also had a swimming pool and spend winter, spring and summer in vacations in such far-flung places like Jamaica. Today, I have to decide if, this month, I pay the electric or gas bill, or drive in fear waiting for another red light to flicker on the dashboard.

ooo I like the welfare argument.

Lots of people who have never been on it, and never knew anyone that did.

Discussing about it like they were intimately familiar, and demanding changes that would effect millions in this country.

Without really understanding what they're talking about, or who.

In the PAST, yes, there were welfare families that could work but did not. Even though it was easy to get a job back then.

Ironically, TODAY, there is very little available in welfare to people AND it is very difficult to get a job.

Let me line out what it takes to get welfare today:

1. You must be married or a single mom with kids. Single adult males can go kill themselves. Along with that you must make less then 500 a month, total, for the household.

2. Earn disability, which requires about 2 years of litigation to acquire (at the governments expense) during which time you are not allowed to make pretty much anything, or have any assets at all. This one is a favorite of mine, because the government rejects everything up front and forces people to use lawyers, resulting in costs for the Feds that are significantly higher then the costs of the 'fraud' they're trying to thwart.

3.You must have been unemployed from a good paying job in the past couple years. Then you can draw unemployment. Until we go over the fiscal cliff anyway.

4. For Medicaid, you must be over 65. For Medicare, you must be disabled and if below 65, you must pretty much go through the same rigmarole as you would for SSD(disability). It's NOT for people who are 'just' poor.

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The days of Reagan are OVER. The claims that 'entitlement vampires' are whats killing our budget are a myth. Yes I know Medicare/aid is our biggest budget problem. Yet its not the recipients that are the problem. It's the excessive medical fees, outright fraud by medical firms and pharmco's and of course, legal fees that are turning our social safety net into a social safety anchor.

change the headline: " Society as a whole does not respect life as we once did." I am assuming you are an old fart by your love of the olden times. Ugh! Do you mean the better times before the civil rights movement where women HAD to stay at home barefoot and pregnant with no life of her own? Or when Minorities were trampled on and had to sit in the back of the bus with no rights? Either your a little snobby white boy or you clearly ignored your surrondings the past 50 years.

cirnobyl very good points. I too doubt all these people that speak of welfare have actually ever been on it or have gone through the process. Its funny that you say the men can go kill themselves as that is very true. I lost my job because my company was shut down and i was 6 months pregnant. I was eligible for foodstamp benefits since no one hires pregnant people (seriously don't even try to argue) and it broke my heart to see that older men who were laid off from construction jobs couldn't get any benefits for anything because they didn't have any dependents. They had to leave the orientation. They were disabled older men many mexican and white and no help for them! Also i always say this when people say all welfare people should be working. Do the MATH please: My pop in my city is 600,000. The unemployment rate is 16%. There are currently and have been for the past few months an average of 100 job postings a week most of the time on the board for a month for the same job. Now you smart republicans tell me how EVERYONE THAT WANTS A JOB CAN BE EMPLOYED!! NOT GONNA HAPPEN. NUMERICALLY IMPOSSIBLE. So why don't you all shut your mouths until you are in the exact same situation and thank god you aren't and you can just sit there in judgment.

Jerry, I also lived back then and my wifes and I total income was a hell of a lot more than that and we were no Bill Gates'. Not even close. Monte Carlos were nice cars, but far from the height of luxury. I feel bad for any doctor that was making 35 k back then.Damn I new some chicks that were riding Harleys with me that made 24k and they werent living fat.

Firs, for all you genuinely and circumstantially ignorant of what race means here is some information that you can learn in any Genetics class in college, or a Human Variation course:

RACE DOES NOT EXIST. It is a category to describe human beings that was made up before we had better categorizations.

So this whole argument about her being 'white' or 'Mexican' is just like nails to a chalkboard to me.

When most people are going to get this through their head is beyond me; it is information that should be taught in High School to avoid the above non-sense that I read everyday.

Two: What this woman did should be seen as a hate crime, not because 'race' exists but because she thinks it exists which is why she pushed this man over because of what 'race' she thought he was.

Consideration for her mental illness should happen but I think it's fair that she be charged with murder, none-the less. It is obvious she knew what she did was wrong as she ran like a bat out of hell after she committed the act. Being mentally ill is not an excuse.

Change the headlines:

Ronald Reagan got rid of the nut houses and changed the rules for having people committed. From a Socialogy study:

"Mental health professionals were also concerned that patients were not receiving adequate care. Estimates of the homeless population ranged from 250 to 500 thousand people (Dear and Wolch,
1987; Jencks, 1994; Rossi, 1989; Wright, 1989). Of these, appro ximately a third were mentally ill (Rossi, 1989). In many cases, such mentally ill patients were arrested for vagrancy and other minor infractions and were processed by the criminal justice system. Concerned that this population was receiving no
treatment at all, mental health workers advocated involuntary commitment as a means of getting the mentally ill homeless into treatment."

Link:socialogy.org/content/voli003.004/thomas.html

The Mental Health system is broken.

Which budget did the Senate pass that included that? Thats right they don't pass them anymore, both parties tell you the check is in the mail while you blame the other party for screwing up the post office. We have more facts at our disposal than ever as to the rape of the tax payer, but as long as their as poorly informed cheerleaders (like yourself) root for either party left or right they can still tell you its not my fault, it's the other guy. Lap it up, while they vote themselves raises, and curtail more of our freedoms. Why people choose to be sheep is beyond me, wait your party told you it wasn't their fault right, taxes go up non stop for over 12 years the economy get worse non stop no matter which side is in power but its the fault of the evil (insert party here). Heck move over....got an extra room in the glass house for me?

Lots of people seem to think mental health is the big issue every time some crazy person loses it. Maybe thats true. I am wondering how we figure out who these people are that need help. I doubt most people that actually need help will line up to get it. I dont want this country to get so scared that it feels the need to force people to get treatment that they do not want. Who will decided who needs help?

What idiot confuses Hindus with Muslims anyway? I guess everyone has to have someone to hate and people don't care if they are even "right" about who it is they are hating.

The same type of idiots who goes into a Sikh Temple and starts murdering innocent people, mistaking them for Muslims...

Hey king sugar...Just the republicans huh?...the dems werent in on that plan too.. See the problem with people like you spreading this kind of b.s. is that people just as dumb as you get their info from places like this and believe it. Then they vote and act accordingly, which is why we have the government and society we have now.

If that is supposed to be funny, it isn't. If it's meant to be serious, you are a joke.

I suggest you change your name - you obviously don't think

Your right it wouldn't?

I didn't know that Adam Lanza was Puerto Rican. And looking back, I didn't realize that Bob Knight's temper resulted from his Puerto Rican heritage either.

Here's your moon )(.

Adam may not have been, but his uncle Mario was.. (I think..?)

Adam Lanza was Jewish.

Sunil:

Racist much!

to put up hand rails would make the conductors job almost impossible because they would have to stop the train with the utmost precision (the openings in the railings aligning w/ the train doors) a better idea would be to install a wall up against the end of the platform kind of like a garage door that rolls up only when the train is fully stopped .... the only problem is that since there haven't been that many people slipping or being pushed onto the tracks they probably won't spend the money

Probably because they are afriaid that mentally ill gymnasts would mistake it for a parrallel bar or something similiar and dismount onto the tracks.

It's very difficult to get someone institutionalized now BEFORE they actually do something violent. It's as much to do with groups like the ACLU as funding. Try to be a little more balanced in your research.

Thats no way to talk about your professors. Besides Obamacare solved this for us. Nothing But sunshine and unicorns from now on. Damn why didn't Clinton address this? Never mind, another person lost in the politcal blame game. Not one safety rail in the damn place never has been for how many years and you blame this on Reagan. Is it hard to get direct TV in the glass house?

Obsession with politics is a mental disease.

@AustinK... Let me add that it is difficult to keep them institutionalized AFTER they do something violent.

AustinK and Gorilla:

I think you both have a point. From Sociology study:

"Mental health professionals were also concerned that patients were not receiving adequate care. Estimates of the homeless population ranged from 250 to 500 thousand people (Dear and Wolch,
1987; Jencks, 1994; Rossi, 1989; Wright, 1989). Of these, appro ximately a third were mentally ill (Rossi, 1989). In many cases, such mentally ill patients were arrested for vagrancy and other minor infractions and were processed by the criminal justice system. Concerned that this population was receiving no
treatment at all, mental health workers advocated involuntary commitment as a means of getting the mentally ill homeless into treatment."

"Cuts in funding for mental health services continued throughout the 1980s, with the emphasis being on the provision of services via the private sector. Overall, the number of beds available to the mentally ill in public and private hospitals dropped ov er forty percent between 1970 and 1984 (Reamer, 1989). Most of this decline was due to cuts in public hospitals. During the 1980s, the number of beds provided by general hospitals in psychiatric wards and in private hospitals for the mentally ill increase d. In 1970, there were 150 private psychiatric centers; in 1980, there were 184; by 1988, there were 450 in the United States. General hospitals offering psychiatric services increased from 1,259 in 1984 to over two thousand in 1988
(Reamer, 1989, 25; LaF ond and Durham, 1992, 115-16). With such growth in the private sector, there were substantial profits to be made in mental illness, assuming that the patient had adequate health insurance. Those without medical insurance frequently did not receive adequate care."

There are history books that state families were taking advantage of the system. They were sending in drunks and homeless people who did not seem to be mentally ill. The ACLU probably did create problems as well. The bottom line is that funding was cut in the 1980s. The rules were changed. This system needs a new pair of eyes and no politics needed.

link:www sociology.org/content/vol1003.004/thomas.html

thankyousoldier;

Why is it difficult???

Gossamer. I don't know. You tell me? What I do know is plea bargaining down to lesser charges might save time and money but it rewards a criminal with a lesser sentence. Is that the answer? How many violent crimes would be avoided if the sentences were so harsh that these guys can no longer do them standing on their heads. Violent crimes and sexual nature crimes should have sentences so ridiculous that it might actually deter people a little more.

Thankyousoldier,

I believe in capital punishment. I think some are released because of overcrowding. You make a good point.

I think you've forgotten thousands of other senseless deaths...you media led sheep

change, certain crimes r so heinous of course the will get the presses attention. do u think they shd do an artice on every murder committed??? idiot!

So long as the weather report is in there somewhere, it doesn't sound like a BAD idea.

No guitarrick they only report on the crimes that fit their agenda.... namely pissing on the second amendment and everyones civil right to keep and bear arms...

2.5 million crimes stopped every year with a gun, an average of 6849 a day, and you miraculously never hear of one instance on the news.

Check my facts.. and then think about how many other ways the media shapes our lives.