Aah,californistan what a wonderful place.Where up is down,right is wrong.It truly must be bizarro land !

Stupid Kalafornia.

A place where law makers are the lawbreakers expecting all others to follow their lunacy.

If California has passed a law barring law enforcement officers from having sex with anyone in custody, it must mean they need such a law in California.

New laws ban sex with prisoners,

I thought it was already illegal for police officers to get favors from their prisoners. Why o they even need a law, and why the hell are these officers even engaging in sexual acts while on the job. fire their goddam azzes, and pronto.

Celine's Third Law

An honest politician is a national calamity.

Celine recognizes that the third law seems preposterous from the beginning. While a dishonest politician is interested only in bettering his own lot through abusing the public trust, an honest politician is far more dangerous since he is honestly interested in bettering society through political action, and that means writing and implementing more and more laws.

Celine argues that creating more laws simply creates more criminals. Laws inherently restrict individual freedom, and the explosive rate at which laws are being created means that every citizen in the course of his daily life does not have the research capacity to not violate at least one of the plethora of laws. It is only through honest politicians trying to change the world through laws that true tyranny can come into being through excessive legislation.

Corrupt politicians simply line their own pockets. Honest idealist politicians cripple the people's freedom through enormous amounts of laws. So corrupt politicians are preferable according to Celine, despite the possibility of an honest politician who honestly opposes the formation of new laws (or wants to do away with some).

Citing Lenin and his successors as examples, Wilson argues that the most tyrannical and brutal regimes in history were created by honest politicians who believed in a good cause.

You only need one law in this world...no one may be harmed or defrauded without their explicit (not to be confused with "implicit") consent. Boxing matches are not the same as assault, afterall.

How many carbon credits does a fart cost?

Denver Bill, out of the above responses (from Kornfed, Pro-Individual, Arthur and Windwhatever...LaffyTaffy your first and second reply canceled each other out), your response is the only one that sounds like an adult wrote it. The rest are teenagers either trolling or doing an insanely terrible attempt to sound philosophical.

Good moves with these new laws, especially the one banning sex offenders from taking advantage of kid-friendly holidays. That law should be a federal one!

Sorry, that would make way too much sense!

I bet California will have trouble finding Law Enforcement Officers since sex with prisoners are becoming illegal. What's next. hehe

All you anarchists just keep bashing our government. It is the entity that enforces civil law (for all members of the civic society) over natural law (the strongest make all the rules). Without government, each and every one of us would be victims to the most powerful and richest.

As an anarchist let me point out law existed for 194,000 years before the state coercively monopolized it (see anthropology). The state neither invented law nor produces it efficiently. They have a coercive monopoly on law, and like all coercive monopolies, you get higher costs, lower quality service, and NO accountability (as compared to what you would get in a competitive market).

Laws that do not specifically punish harm and fraud are tyranny...and should be broken whenever you can get away with it (or are willing to pay the tyrannical penalties).

More laws only create more criminals. No one person can know all the laws as is, and experts (like lawyers) argue every citizen commits 2 felonies a day without knowing it (because there so many felonies on the books that have nothing to do with harm and fraud).

"If you (as an adult) have the (mental and physical) ability to govern yourself, then you have the right to govern yourself, and if in that self governance no other unwilling persons, their possessions, or their properties are harmed, (logically) all external(compulsory) government is tyranny." - Benjamin Tucker and I

And therefore, logically...

The Motto on Thomas Jefferson's Seal:

"Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God."

Why do you support a system based on extortion (tax), when you could have government that is voluntary (funded by donations, lottery, and/or payment for services rendered)? Because you don't THINK...that's why. Because you have no consistent morality (ethics), that's why. Anarchists believe murder and extortion are wrong, even if the state does it. That's the difference between us and you.

Preach. Amen

Cry babies? Wonder how many of these people have actually hunt with dogs? Matter of fact wonder just how many hunt period. The problem is people making these laws (not all of the laws) have no idea as to what the impact will be. Look at NJ. No bear season for years and not there is a major issue with them. As far as sex offenders wearing santa suits etc, if the state would put them away forever they wouldn't have to worry about it.

Anarchist, (n.) a bored 1st world teenage or college-aged suburbanite that is either living at home or their parents still foot the bills. They have never known hardship. Said individuals would be the first to crap themselves in the event of an actual anarchy. They only reply to posts online to give themselves an unearned sense of importance. They are typically too lazy to volunteer to make the world better, instead opting to push philosophies that they think make them sound cool to their friends on MySpace

That would be NORTHERN CA who keeps voting in Pelosi. Us in Southern CA never get the opportunity to vote that embarrassment out of office. But, this is the state that voted in Moonbean Jerry Brown back into office, so you might be on to something.

I had no idea that law enforcement officers were having sex with persons in custody, wonder how often that happened so there needed a new law to make it illegal?...Then I wonder how often this happens in other states?...

In Richmond, VA, they leave that duty to the deputies at the jail. Police are too busy chasing murders from the daily murder or two. But the male deputies are doing well with their sex education for female inmates, as well as supplying certain privileged inmates with drugs.

That law will pretty much kill my whole social life.

Super Stupid in CA........

joemike404

Why on earth would California need a law to tell law enforcement officers that having sex with someone in custody is a bad thing?

Because it happened.

About as stupid as the rest of America.

How about because it legal before.

denver bill - can't say I'm surprised.

Anarchists are chumps.

Anarchists are chumps.

If by "chumps" you mean "morally consistent and logical"...then yes, we're "chumps".

Statists are brainwashed sheep you support the use of violence and threats of violence to organize society, as opposed to voluntary organization. They love their slave masters and claim they are not even slaves. They fail to see that every state always collapses into murderous rampages and anomie (lawlessness, chaos, normlessness). Then they have the nerve and lack of education to call "anarchy" a synonym for anomie, when in reality anarchy is a society organized according to philosophy of anarchism, and anarchism is a philosophy predicated on creating a world which is least coercive and maximally voluntary.

Oh...but we're "chumps", and you're just one big genius. Blame yourself for every genocide, politicide, and mass nationalist murder in the world...because they can't exist without states (and never once have occured in stateless societies, even though statelessness was in existence for 97% of human civilization - like roads, trade, law, courts, policing services, etc...all of which pre-exist the state by thousands of years).

Some people are just uneducated...and remain so, because they're intellectually lazy and morally bankrupt egomaniacs. God forbid you face your ego and change your worldview because all your ideas stink and get people killed or thrown in cages and chains like animals when they haven't harmed or defrauded any unwilling adults (like 50% of the nonviolent "criminals" in prison in the USA today, the most incarcerated nation, per capita and in total, in all the world's history). Your "leaders" are really rulers...and most of them are sociopathic.

Congrats on all your horrific achievements, statists. But we should thank you, right? WRONG.

"Land shark."

NBC News is Statist.

NBC News is Statist.

LMAO

What the hell are you talking about?

First of all, you're not making any sense.

Second, these are STATE laws, not Federal.

If it's below freezing outside, I double-dog dare you to touch your tongue to the flagpole!

@ -god

Don't tap on the aquarium. It annoys the fish.

So let me get this straight...its now legal for clergy to have sex in jail with bobcats with an officer present???

California land of weirdos and their voting public lunatics!!

I always thought that the continent tilted toward the west coast and that all lose screws eventually rolled into California. Now I am sure it does.

God

Second, these are STATE laws, not Federal.

You are right but unfortunately these states also send legislatures to the federal government. I am sure you don't believe that once they get elected to the House or Senate that they miraculously gain commonsense. Even God won't say that.

But the States have the right to enact whatever laws they think they need. It says so in the Constitution!

Morgan444

State laws are an expansion of the police state

Ummm, yeah ... the powers of the police state have been greatly increased by making it illegal for cops to screw prisoners.

Wrong. A police state is one in which the state has no restrictions while everyone else is held to the slavery of its whims. Laws protect us from that. Police State: "a political unit characterized by repressive governmental control of political, economic, and social life usually by an arbitrary exercise of power by police." The key term is arbitrary, meaning without logical or civil basis. Your arguments are fine for middle school children trying to learn about the real world, but are based on fallacies.

But the States have the right to enact whatever laws they think they need. It says so in the Constitution!

This is the problem with dertiving moral theory from legal theory, as opposed to deriving legal theory from moral theories.

If they made a law to kill your kids, would you break the law (civil disobedience in the tradition of Gandhi, MLKjr, and anarchist American Henry David Thoreau - whom MLKjr credited with the concept, and who predates Gandhi)? Or will you kill them because the Constitution allows it? How about other laws less severe, but no less stupid and tyrannical? THINK.

Wrong. A police state is one in which the state has no restrictions while everyone else is held to the slavery of its whims. Laws protect us from that.

No, you're wrong. Laws are how a police state comes into being, logically. You can't have a police state without a state, a monopoly on policing services, and laws....derrrrrrrr. Saying laws protect you from the police state is like saying drone surveillance of Americans is for your safety....right, and War is Peace, Ignorance is Strength, and Slavery is Freedom. Perhaps you think Pepper Spray is Vegetable too.

Kat,

Actually I think that in addition to not using dogs to hunt bears and bobcats the hunter should only be allowed to be armed with a knife with a blade no longer that the average length of the claws and teeth of a bear or bobcat. Now that would make it a fair fight and sporting indeed!

Seriously I have never considered it sporting to hunt an animal with the use of another animal. In the case of bears and bobcats I NEVER hunt what I won't eat. I WILL NOT eat bobcats and while I have eaten bear meat it is not on my favorite list, so I simply do not hunt them.

I must disagree with your proposed ban on all hunting though. I am life time member of PETA (People Eating Tasty Animals) that is! If you don't want to hunt then don't, but don't try to dictate what others do (legally) for their own pleasure. I enjoy a good book like most other people but I also enjoy a good hunt as well.

KatWrangler

Hell, I'm just glad that stupid humans need to stop hunting bears and bobcats with hounds. Next we need to make it so nothing needs to be hunted, with or without dogs

I'm in favor of keeping dangerous weapons out of the hands of fools. Let's start with keyboards.

Ernie-201266

So.... you don't want people dictating YOUR right to hunt but yet you have no problem supporting other sportsmans rights being dictated??? Just like so many others, you are a two faced hypocrite. As far as eating Bobcat, well there is also something called fur harvesting.

OK, this is not a slam but I do not agree with you entirely. There are a number of reasons that hunting is good. While I do not personally like trophy hunting I do like being able to add to my family's food supply with hunting. Also, not hunting at all can allow an overpopulation by certain game animals that can and will ultimately lead to starvation and death of that heard. By hunting and thinning the heard this can be prevented.

I do however support your choice to not hunt just as I support my right to hunt. As every one is entitled to make their own decisions on this subject.

ernie your clueless. Animals don't kill quickly, they tear apart alive and start eating while the prey is alive. You want hunters to do the same?

I can only hope that hunters stop hunting and people like you learn first hand how much the animals love your attitude. I really don't understand why your so against dogs. Are you a dog hater?

another future problem for CA similar to their current mountain lion situation?

bears are cool ,but cats are nasty ,too bad they couldn't be run down with monster trucks

That law sounds pretty dumb since it simply restates what the 1st Amendment already mandates.

For example, Catholic priests aren't required to perform religious weddings for divorced persons.

Cue sleazy music.

Female C/O: "I'm Officer Seductra. I hear you were a very, very naughty man."

Male Prisoner: "Oh, yes. I've been very bad."

Female C/O (taking out her cuffs): "Well, I'll have to teach you how to be good."

New California Law: "Cut!"

Maybe every infraction deserves incarceration. Unless, of course, you earn your living in the private prison industry.

I don't think you've ever hunted. Hunters don't "sneak around in the woods".

I have never used hounds for hunting but I have used retrievers,pointers and setters, The pointers and setters locate the bird and point to its location until given a command to flush the bird, The retrievers retrieve the bird after it has been downed, There is nothing unsportsmanlike in using a dog for its proper function.

You can't find the animal yourself? As for unsportsmanship in using a dog for its proper function...Who is the almighty deciding what the dog's proper function is? And you are too lazy to go pick up the bird you gleefully killed? True sportsman, I see. Do they also get harnassed to your chariot so you don't have to exert yourself too much while on the prowl? Bet the beer stays colder, too.

Jerseyshoremarie, I am the almighty deciding what my dogs function is and you obviously have never been hunting because a pheasant,quail,woodcock,partridge or grouse will many times sit perfectly still and allow the hunter to walk past, The dogs locates the bird and upon command flushes it into the air, The retriever will run out or in the case of waterfowl swim out and retrieve the bird thus preventing the bird from loss, While we are on the topic of lazy, Do you walk everywhere you go, Or do you drive ot take some other form of transportation because if you do not walk then you are being lazy and contributing to pollution, As for the chariot, My dogs do not pull any type of coach or carriage but my horses do, When I am hunting I oft times walk between 5-10 miles in a single day, Maybe you should try doing it sometimes instead of sitting behind your keyboard eating twinkies and getting fatter...FYI, I do not consume alcoholic beverages.

So is there anthing more that you feel you have a need to b!tch about, Are you one of those animal nuts that maintains a feral cat colony , Do you catch and spay/neuter then release feral cats back into the wild where they do irreversible harm to the indigenous populations of native species, I'll bet your hous smells like cat p!ss and dog sh!t.

See how fun it is making generalizations about people.

Hounds unfair? I would suggest fish finders are more unfair. Hunting with thermal imaging is still legal, as is night vision. Hunting with a spear is the most manly way to hunt.

kudos pine barrens and history addict.

guarantee ol' merlin wouldn't be a very "great" upland hunter, unless of course he had the superhuman scenting ability of any of my hunting dogs. i know many hound hunters, and they kill a small fraction of all animals trailed, and once a bear is treed it is much easier to tell its sex and if it is lactating. i'm no soothsayer, but i can forsee problems in CA similar to what they are dealing with mountain lion wise now.

PS all of jersey smells of cat piss

PS all of jersey smells of cat piss

LOL...it seems like that sometimes, There was a cat colony near me and for a while they were really becoming a problem, I have a few havahart traps and I started catching them and drove to a shelter that I knew would destroy cats that they were unable to find a home for. As you can tell the feral cat colony thing is a pet(no pun intended) peve of mine. What really peeves me with these cat colony people is that I license my dogs, All my dogs are microchipped and these idiots think it is perfectly ok to let these non indigenous cats run loose. We have a cat, He is a house cat, He was actually a rescue, When we got him he started with the scratching furniture so we took him to ge declawed, One of the idiot vets siad they found it inhumane to declaw him, I told them to put him to sleep if they would not declaw him, The refused both, I contacted the owner of the business and advised them that we were pulling our dogs,cats and live stock from their care and would find another vet, Needless to say the cat got declawed.

Actually, most of humanity's history with respect to "managing" nature have proven to be utter failures.

Stop hunting with dogs?

Try living in an area that wild hogs have taken over. The most efficient way to protect your property from these 4 legged WMD's is to hunt them with dogs. Trapping them only works for a little while. These pigs are very smart. If you can bay them up with dogs and kill them a couple at a time, you can slow down their destructive ways, and sometimes make them leave for a while. Besides, turn 4 or five dogs loose on 200-300 lb pig and it is very likely the pig walks away.

save your breath TX, some people are just dog haters which I don't understand since they probably love wolves.

No historyaddict; it is not hating dogs at all. It is the reenactment of a scene from the roman collisseum where the wild animal was savagely and deliberately torn apart by your pet Fidos.

Please do not tell me that hunters do it to aid in population control and conservation of wildlife. Kill off the ranchers who hog most of the land (and do those lovely round-ups of Mustangs to be sold off, and the aerial hunts of wolves that pitiful Palin signed into being).

No historyaddict; it is not hating dogs at all. It is the reenactment of a scene from the roman collisseum where the wild animal was savagely and deliberately torn apart by your pet Fidos.

Another idiotic comment from a know nothing, Most dogs used for hunting do not tear apart the game, In the case of birds dogs they are required to have a soft mouth and even if the dog tastes blood from the bird/animal they still do not bite it. Maybe you should actually watch what wild animals do in the wild when they catch their food, They tear it apart while it is still alive, Some even swallow their prey while it is still alive and the prey is then digested alive by the stomach acids.

Please do not tell me that hunters do it to aid in population control and conservation of wildlife. Kill off the ranchers who hog most of the land (and do those lovely round-ups of Mustangs to be sold off, and the aerial hunts of wolves that pitiful Palin signed into being).

Those mustangs are not indigenous species and without population control they will starve from overpopulation the same goes for the wolves, If their populations are not controlled they will either dies off from starvation and disease or they will venture further and further into suburban and urban areas looking for food usually consisting of domestic animals and pets and sometimes children. The money spent by sportsmen on licenses and purchasing products such as duck and bird stamps and special permits finances conservation projests all over this country,Sportsmen contribute and donate large amounts of money to conservation projects Without them the burden of conservation would be placed on the taxpayer.

let the sex offenders wear bear suits and send them out in the woods during bear hunting season !!!

don't worry, some bleeding heart will take in all those orphaned cubs now.

Mathematically, wouldn't we then eventually end up with no laws? You must think that we need at least some laws. Oh wait, by your comment I can see you didn't think at all.

Now you prove that hunters (majority of them) are narrow minded...

wow jason, are you representative of all non hunters or just a single idiot.

already happening in left coast states with mountain lions. this law deals with bears and bobcats.

 explain this democracy thingy again?

I'd stand a better chance explaining nuclear physics to my dog.

Your dog would stand a better chance explaining it to me than your worthless idjut pos explanations.

you have no hunting skills if you use dog to hunt, hunting is a sport and you should have some skill do that, w/dogs you are a lazy killer.

What an idiot dave...youy have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. Go do a hunt once in your worthless life. Find out what it takes. Otherwise you are just pissin in the wind with your mouth open.

than your worthless idjut pos explanations.

Jonny, you have the entire internet at your disposal. Have you ever heard of Google?

What kind of idiot would come to Newsvine asking a retarded question like that and expect someone to sit down and try to explain it to him? 

Don't be so goddamned lazy! Do some reading. Don't act all entitled. Do some work for once in your lazy life.

As it turns out, my dog really IS smarter than you. At least he's willing to work to satisfy his curiosity.

god...if you get any more fuggin stupid you'll catch up to that other god..Obama. Watch yourself.

Hey, insult me all you want, but you're still too god damned stupid and lazy to look up the answer to your question. 

Any third-grader would have found out within 60 seconds, but your dumb ass is still here arguing, as ignorant as ever. 

That's cool, at least you're providing me with some entertainment! ;-)

I'm sure your right hand provides that all you want god.

I don't remember any of these being voted on. So, explain this democracy thingy again?

It's two idiots fighting over the only gun in the room instead of agreeing to buy another gun so they can both have one. It's also 2 wolves and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. It's also mob rule in a nice suit. It's also polling a lynch mob and being suprised they keep voting for lynching.

That explain it well enough for you?

Oh, and republics are just versions of democracy that devolve into mass stupidity and collapse slower...although they still inevitably go that route.

Why don't non-hunters find something to do with their own worthless time besides make laws to tell others how to live.

i have to blow some thing away i am macho man i use a gun you use your lips.

bandit, we know you are a pillow biter, so quit wih the I'm tough act. Only tough thing you have ever done is went without the Vaseline.

lol lol you most defentily use you lips on your boyfriend me i use them on my wife loser

bandit, you as gay as a fuggin Frisco parade bud. Deal with it. Have your "wife" teach you how to spell too, you're an embarrassment to fags everywhere.

shooting crooked politicians should be allowed !

wouldn't need dogs to trail them stinky SOBs

Explain to me how you tree a racoon without dogs? Oh, you can't.

I'd love to see these bans in the old days when hunting largely fed people. No one would have abided these nonsense rules based on emotional arguments (as opposed to logic).

The sporting aspect of hunting isn't just cornering/stalking your prey...it's in killing them as painlessly as possible with one shot.

I like to see some of these hot shot elected officials give up their bird dogs. I guess they can take turns on point for pheasant. Oh, I forgot, bird hunting with dogs is a gentleman's sport.