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Subscribe to RSSBALTIMORE -- Seven gay couples in Maryland rang in the New Year with wedding bells early Tuesday, the first wave of nuptials since voters in the state backed the legalization of same-sex marriage.
The couples were "lawfully married" rather than pronounced "husband and wife" at the 12:30 a.m. ET ceremony on New Year's Day in Baltimore's City Hall.
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William Countryman, left, and Roy Neal exchange vows as officiant Jason Caton looks on during a marriage ceremony at City Hall in Baltimore, Tuesday, Jan. 1, 2013. Same-sex couples in Maryland are now legally permitted to marry under a new law that went into effect after midnight on Tuesday. Maryland is the first state south of the Mason-Dixon Line to approve same-sex marriage.
Baltimore Mayor Stephanie Rawlings-Blake officiated at the wedding of the first of the couples, 68-year-old James Scales and 60-year-old William Tasker. Scales and Tasker said they had been together for 35 years.
The mayor joked that everyone had come to celebrate a relationship that began many years ago -- "and I mean that, many years ago."
Making a statement
Soon after the November vote legalizing gay marriage, Scales, a longtime city employee, asked the mayor to marry the two.
"She wanted to make a statement to tell gay, lesbian, transgendered couples that they're welcome here," said the mayor's press secretary, Ian Brennan, of her decision.
Maine same-sex couples marry in first hours of law
Voters in Maryland, Maine and Washington state approved same-sex unions on Election Day, becoming the only states to pass such a measure by popular vote.
Nine of the 50 U.S. states and Washington, D.C., now have legalized gay marriage. Another 31 states have passed constitutional amendments banning it.
Rawlings-Blake called the Nov. 6 vote "a remarkable achievement for Maryland" and welcomed friends and families of the couples to witness history at the early-morning ceremony.
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"We are excited to open City Hall to host some of the first wedding ceremonies in our great state," Rawlings-Blake said.
Maine began issuing same-sex marriage licenses on Saturday after voters approved the measure in November. Marc Solomon of Freedom to Marry joins MSNBC to discuss the event.
Shift
Public opinion has been shifting in favor of allowing same-sex marriage. A Pew Research Center survey from October found that 49 percent of Americans favored allowing gay marriage, with 40 percent opposed. In May, President Barack Obama became the first U.S. commander in chief to say he believed same-sex couples should be allowed to get married.
The Supreme Court has agreed to review two challenges to federal and state laws that define marriage as a union between a man and a woman.
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The nation's highest court said this month that it would review a case against a federal law that denies married same-sex couples the federal benefits that heterosexual couples receive.
2012 was a significant year for gay rights. The president announced his support of same-sex marriage, the first openly gay woman was elected to the Senate, and marriage equality won on ballots. Melissa Harris-Perry and her panelists discuss.
It also will look at a challenge to California's ban on gay marriage, known as Proposition 8, which voters narrowly approved in 2008.
Washington state's law legalizing same-sex unions took effect on Dec. 9 and Maine's on Dec. 29.
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The only one's who might be upset are the pukebags and bible thumpers. Yet the pukebags haven't emptied their closets yet. They have a bunch of gays hiding in there.
At least separation is easy when things go bad, just move to another state that doesn't recognize their union. No attorney, alimony or all the common expenses that usually come with that sort of thing.
Sally Ann: Just a hint from a heterosexual woman who thoroughly approves of the right of gay men and women to marrry as we all do. Your use of such disgusting and ignorant name caling simply labels you as low class and unable to use words well.
It took me a lot of thought to come to my position. I have been in a work world where gays have long been in my view. I have seen their pain and ostracization. I have been introduced to a lesbian on one occasion and then learned of her suicide soon after.
I have sat myself down and asked myself: What if this was my son? What kind of life style would I want for him? It took me two years to decide I would want the right to marry someone he loved for him.
I understand others viewpoints and am saddened by stheir lack of understanding of the Catholic church's position and history. Here it is for those who may be interested. Many centuries ago (14th?) , MARRIAGE AS WE KNOW IT, did not exist inthe Catholic church. Marriage was installed then to protect property rights of the man to be sure any child and inheritor was in fact, his progeny. (WE all know if we watch TV how silly that expectation is these days, BTW.)
Since we now have surragate moms, unmarried parents galore, gay parents, etc. let's get real and celebrate all mariages as "made in heaven." And help others to understand the concept rather than alienate them further. Just a thought Sally Ann.
Which one of the men is the woman????
Three cheers for Marry-land!!!
PS, my very traditional parents have now been married for 66 years and do not feel even slightly threatened by gays joining them in wedded bliss. They strongly support equal rights for gays and lesbians.
P.J: I am surprised from your use of religious terms you would be in favor of carnal acts to consummate marrige, if that is even possible.
Its legal significance arises from theories of marriage as having the purpose of producing legally recognized descendants of the partners, or of providing sanction to their sexual acts together, or both, and amounts to treating a marriage ceremony as falling short of completing the creation of the state of being married. Yes that is a law. The judges are indifferent to the law.
Seven couples? That's it? from the way the article describes the public shift in gay marriage, you'd think that half of Maryland was sleeping outside of the house of the justice of the peace waiting to tie the knot with their significant others. A couple of geriatrics tie the knots, so gays and lesbians are welcome there? Gays and lesbians aren't African Americans. They make up only a small percentage of the entire population. Law is law, and a small constituency isn't grant any politician a fountain of youth.
Well, how do you decide which is which?
well, why do you need to?
I don't need to personally, but they do (e.g., to handle legal paperwork that refers to husband and wife).
well, then they can flip a coin, can't they, if its just for that purpose. Although i've never heard of this as a legal issue, so I suspect your "concern" is irrelevant. I can't recall any paperwork i've done in many years that has this distinction, can you? Everything I see talks about "spouse" or similar words.
Actually, no there is no need to distinguish. Legal paperwork usually uses the term "spouse." This is 2013, not 1953. You are just trying to hide your bigotry behind a "concern."
Yeah, Vince, just like we can so conveniently use the term "bigot" to you if you feel siblings cannot marry legally, or parents with children, or polygamy.
Gay marriage is a farce. It's only about sanctioned approval of homosexual acts with tax benefits and other perks...yet this same "equality" is not extended to any single-status American.
The gay-lesbian agenda exposed.
i agree, this "exposes" the "gay lesbian agenda" of equal rights. oh no! lol.
gay marriage is a reality, not a farce. Sorry, but the truth hurts, doesn't it. :)
clue for the clueless: gay marriage isn't about "sanctioned approval of homosexual acts". They don't need your "sanctioned approval" for that. :)
Contractual Union.
"Although i've never heard of this as a legal issue..."
Tell that to the sperm donor in Kansas - the bystander sucked into a lesbian separation.
I'm a bigot, and I like it. It doesn't offend me. I just believe in the 98-99% of the population who have it right. I don't care if gays get married or not. I want to poke out my minds eye when i think about what goes on behind closed doors, but so far it doesn't affect me personally.
Some of the parades can be ugly, though.
Cheetah ... the Kansas case has nothing to do with the designation of husband/wife/spouse on legal paperwork.
Well, we'll see what happens when the Supreme Court makes it rulings.
Wrong. Both cases have legal implications. The fact that they are not identical does not change the fact that they are similar.
"Cheetah ... the Kansas case has nothing to do with the designation of husband/wife/spouse on legal paperwork."
Vermontguy doesn't see the need to assign roles and says, "They don't need your "sanctioned approval" for that. :)"
Maybe you do need a few more definitions to preclude harming disinterested parties. I don't care what you do, but don't burn me with it.
You've got to be joking Can'tHandle. You actually believe that or are you just being facetious?
Wife..he's a rereg of all TRUTH# accts and jesusismydog among others...always posting the same @!$%# on every gay story
DNFTT..reported...
Divorce Attorneys are grinning in anticipation of all the new clients...............
I guess. Gays are about 5% of the population, so its not a huge increase in business.
So far................. there's lots of closets still to be opened ;-)
$10 grand retainer here, $10 grand retainer there,....pretty soon you're talking about big money.
People who engage in homosexual acts are 5% of the population?
Wow - I guess the recessive "phantom" gay gene just popped on so much more. Why the change from the 1-2% of population chooses to engage in homosexual acts?
In the context of this discussion, whether its 1 or 2 or 5% doesn't matter, the point is that gay divorce isn't going to be a huge windfall for attorneys..especially since many of them won't have children so that makes divorce easier (and less costly and less beneficial to lawyers).
If you want to debate the exact percentage, go for it..but it really doesn't matter for this discussion, now does it? :)
Gimmeabreak, like so many "good" bigots, confuses behavior with orientation.
Thank you for making the argument to the supreme court to make a broader ruling to ensure we don't have these problems.
Also even if it were true--- don't you think society discouraging relationships might have something to do with people not participating in serious relationships?
But all the straight couples that get married because they accidentally slipped a bun in the oven- that is real love.
Divorce lawyers might get more business, but the lawyers who draw up paperwork for same-sex couples in long-term relationships will have less business. So, it will probably even out.
I guess you never heard of a "Pre-Nup"?
Congrats to the newlyweds and best of luck for a happy life together. I've been married for 31 years and I still love it.... hope you do too.
Ah Siara.You have made my day. Your congrats was very sweet and kind and it was so refreshing to see with all the hubris on this day's site. Hurrah for you. Angels are ringing their bells.
Wishing you many more years of wedded bliss, Siara! Blessings to you and yours in 2013!
It's a good day in Maryland. Happy New Year, everybody.
I can't wait until this issue hits the SCOTUS and same sex marriage becomes legal all across the USA.
Now they can go home and play with each others nuptials.
While you attend to your blow up doll.
Gee. A small fraction of the world's population is gay: fact. A small percentage of THAT group would like to marry (receiving EQUAL legal recognition). That's all. Why the hysteria and hate...and, ironically, mostly from religious groups which (supposedly) champion "love" and "do unto others". Is it any wonder religion is dying?
no doubt "traditional marriage" will crumble and collapse due to the "onslaught" of gay marriage. lol.
I agree, government should not be involved in marriage, only contractual unions defined by law. If marriage needs to be redefined for an abnormality then perhaps it isn't the correct term anymore. What percent was that again that wishes special consideration? Secular thing and other terms are championed by supporters of free love society. Who do not have foresight into implications of special privilege for the few, and still deny rights others shall demand.
well, I do know that 100% of americans want and deserve equal rights, if that is what "percentage" you were talking about? lol.
After special consideration, i've decided you are a hateful homophobic bigot. :)
Vern: Do you not want to recognize many other individuals who wish to have their unions also sanctioned? If anyone is afraid of something, in my opinion that would be your denial of the obvious implication of secular rights of persons who wish to practice their own interpretation of unions. Yes; if a small percentage is allowed rights then an equal group made up of at least that percentage cannot be challenged on moral grounds, leaves any type of activity to be acknowledged. Rights as you call them are subject to some type of boundaries don't you think?
Uh, bob, that is EXACTLY what marriage is: a civil contract governed by law which creates kinship where there previously was none. Moreover, marriage has been redefined countless times since this country's inception, and we are not a country of majority rule, so what "the few" want is as important as the wants of "the many".
Sickness, perversion, fraud, sham, joke.
yes, you are. lol. and losing the battle against equal rights and freedom. Why do you hate american principles? :)
Get used to it, LR. You may not like civil liberties, but you have to accept them.
Oh, LR, did your boyfriend leave you at the altar? AGAIN?
Or maybe he hasn't asked you yet...
Jealous much?
BTW, Willie still seems to be obsessed with the sex lives -- and everyday lives -- of prisoners. Perhaps your convict boyfriend won't marry you, Willie?
No more keeping quiet. Homosexual marriage is a degenerated perversion.
by all means, feel free to "shout from the rooftops" that you are a hateful, homophobic bigot who rejects american principles of freedom and equal rights. that's the beauty of america..everyone is free to make themselves look stupid and hateful if they choose to! :)
Thanx Vermontguy. You will note that I used no hateful language, nor called anyone names. THAT came from you. I repeat, I will no longer condone by being silent. Homosexuality is a perversion.
It's the butt fking that just seems like the evil part. Why can't two homosexuals "marry" without butt intercourse? Can't they just kiss and leave the nasty stuff out of their "marriage"? Would Jesus approve of two men sodomizing each other for pleasure? Just curious, Vermont Guy. It's obvious you like it...and that you are gay...but do you think this is something that nature intended? The rectum is not elastic (as a vagina is) and it was not meant for things to go IN, only OUT. I don't mean to say this in a mean way, I'm just curious why you guys can't be in unions without having to assault each other's rectums. You will eventually not be able to hold your feces. How is this natural and normal in the realm of things?
Nice and direct, Dee. Couldn't have said it better myself. I don't understand how nature intended the a$$ ramming.
Yes, yes....you gays call me bigot. That's all the ammo you got. (Other than the preposterous accusation of calling those who don't believe in your lifestyle "closet homosexuals" themselves. Jeez...)
A flaming gay man walks into the doctors office and shreiks that his hair is falling out and he feels sick all the time. The doctor looks him over and prescribes 20 white castle cheeseburgers, a pot of spicy chili, And two one-a-day vitamins for 7 days and to call him when hes done that. the gay man asks, "Will this cure me, Doc?" The doctor says, "There may be no cure for what you have, but is will show you the true purpose of your rectum."
Makes you wonder why so many heterosexuals engage in anal sex, doesn't it? Because more heterosexuals are doing it than homosexuals are.
In the first place, what Jesus would "approve of" is irrelevant in this secular nation; and in the second, if you have ever given or received a blow job, congratulations -- you're a sodomite!
And you, like all "good" bigots, ASSume that someone is gay because s/he supports equality. FYI, the majority of Americans support equality -- so are the majority of Americans "obviously" gay?
Moreover, since homosexuality has already been documented in approximately 1,500 animal species (besides humans), it is quite obvious that nature "intended" for a percentage of the population -- whatever species that population may be -- to be homosexual. The curious thing is that homophobia has only been found in ONE species -- humans.
I don't mean to say this in a mean way, but how in the hell is that any of your @!$%#ing business?
I'm not gay, and I'm calling you a bigot. And that's not "all I've got," either. The courts are obviously seeing things our way, not yours.
As far as your determination that calling you a closeted homosexual is "preposterous," here are some facts for you:
http://www.ibtimes.com/homophobes-likely-be-closet-gays-study-finds-434958
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=homophobes-might-be-hidden-homosexuals
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/04/120406234458.htm
http://www.philosophy-religion.org/handouts/homophobia.htm
Well hell, guess that means I'm gay and I'm proud! Best line ever Erin great informational post wish I could give you more up votes.
I up voted for you...Erin is a great wealth of resources and can cite more info than anyone I have seen...and it's from true scientific studies...
BTW...Nukeman...your words of gay marriage being a degenerated perversion is he same as calling gays degenerated perverts...absolutely NO DIFFERENCE...
And Nukeman, Dee, and Bob...I guess it's ok for lesbians to marry because apparently only the male gays practicing anal sex are degenerated perverts (per Nukeman). And I guess all those hetero married couples that have tried or continue to practice anal sex should have heir marriages voided. And Oral Sex...shame on us ALL...everyone tries it a few times, some continue to practice and some do not...so quit pointing fingers at what other people practice in the bedroom.
You may be suprised what goes on in people's bedrooms., I have seen even some of the ramifications of such things in the OR at the hospital...broken penis, rectal tears (by a married man, yes his wife was involved), vaginal tears, items within the vagina or rectum of both gay and straight, papilloma (genital warts) of genitals, rectum, mouth and throat of both gay and straights, STDs both gay and straight....
Gay sex is really no different than straight other than the participants...the activity is basically the same.
The embrace of unwholesomeness.
Klatu Nicto Barata!
yippee………….
Hey pediatric nurse...I am an OR Nurse..have done Trauma ICU, vascular and thoracic...oh could never do pediatrics...you are an angel ...I get them in the OR sometimes and I feel so bad for some of them that are abused or long term illness...
Disgusting.
yes you are. People who hate freedom and equal rights are, aren't they? :)
And while we're disgusting it, you're name's cute, cutie.
I am sensing a date coming up ?
unfortunately, score 1 for the sodomites, but they should not be able to adopt cause it's something these 'marriages' cannot do naturally. OK start the rabid posts in reply...'Don't worry, God is not mocked'.
so, infertile couples shouldn't be able to adopt since they can't do it "naturally"? Or single heterosexual parents? Just curious to see if you are going to be intellectually honest or just another anti-gay hypocrite?
I for one am very interested in Sam's answer to this. After all, if marriage is about producing children, should women who have gone through menopause be restricted from getting married?
Your own "logic" here, Sam. Why not defend it?
we're not getting a response from sam, I fear. I think he's realized his logical errors, and will not be seen again...
I'm not sure I've ever gotten an answer to that question. And it's odd that they try to use the "they can't make babies" argument in the first place, because it's such a stupid argument. I mean, when bringing up menopause kills it in one fell swoop, you'd think they'd learn.
Well crap, considering I could no longer have children due to a medical mistake before my husband and I got married does that mean we shouldn't be able to adopt? Guess we'll have to return the foster kid.
so, willie, what EXACTLY are you advocating? no adoptions for single parents? no divorce where children are involved? mandatory marriage if you get pregnant?
and can you prove that children "need" a mother and a father?
your post is worthlessly vague..no doubt as you intended it to be, since being specific would get you in trouble. :)
I think they'll figure out there are two different sexes. Kids figure out the darndest things.
How long do you think it will (be) for the kids to "observe" that other kids take a lotta of crap from their 'normal' parents and often hate them?
WRONG (as usual), Willie:
American Psychological Association, American Psychiatric Association, National Association of Social Workers, American Academy of Pediatrics, 2006
Great news! I think EVERYONE deserves the same rights!
Agreed. So let's remove all governent laws and regulations regarding marriage of any kind. Including all references in the tax code. Then this whole homosexual marriage issue goes away cause now they have the same rights (to marriage) that everyone else does, namely NONE as far as government is concerned.
while on the surface that sounds like a reasonable solution, the tax code is the easiest part of the deal. You'd have to substitute another structure for property rights, inheritance, medical decisions, etc..all of which have the concept of "marriage" built into them.
While it might be possible, it ain't happening.
@vermontguy - No substitution required. Married or not, I can jointly own property with anyone. I can name whoever I want to make my medical decisions. The whole idea that this has to involve "marriage" is a legal construct and as such can be changed. After all, marriage is really a societal instituion that was hijacked by government so that government could profit from regulating it.
It's very easy to ensure everyone has equality if no one is given special treatment. I for one would glady give up any and all "breaks" to get smaller government.
Yet you are probably anti choice for abortion...I am on a guess here only. Because of your posts of marriage and pro children through marriage of heteros only.
Most people on the vine that protest against gay marriage do so from a religious standpoint and therefore are anti abortion. So you want this SMALL Governemnt you so desire to not have laws or anything but I would bet you would want a law AGAINST pro choice for abortion....
Leviticus 18:22
"Thou shall not lie with mankind as with womankind, it is abomination."
PRAISE GOD!!
so what does that have to do with legal rights for secular marriage?
There's no such thing as God, and if you say there is, you're lying with mankind.
Much better quote than Walter's.
Walter...another gay story, really? Why why why...
Those of us who believe in God know Walter is telling it out of context. We have this little thing called "free will" and the Bible is a guideline not a rule book, it's open to interpretation (sp?) So Walter for the love of GOD please stop making the rest of us look like idiots!
Perfect comment WIFE...I have stated multiple times also the bible is a GUIDE not a manifesto of condemning one to hell for the slightest misstep.
I interpret it to mean be kind to others, do not judge, love thy neighbor, be honest and trustworthy, keep your promises as best you can, DO ONTO OTHERS as you would have them do unto you.
Thanks for your support.....
Walt is choosing his OT laws as a convenience, unless he's Orthodox Jew. But the NT rules are simple: Love God, Love your neighbor as yourself. And the second means you don't judge your neighbor. Strange how most evangelicals forget about that...
Al Kyda didn't you just answer your own stupid question? If they are dealing with legal paperwork than legally married does apply. Besides how do you determine that answer anyway? A marriage is a marriage is a marriage no matter whether it is done in a church, courthouse, synagogue or otherwise.
willie unfortunately you don't understand that definitions change over time. Check it out. :)
and unfortunately you don't understand that the law isn't limited to the dictionary. check it out. :)
The dictionary, like the bible is always being updated and brought up to the times. Your point is moot willie and your dictionary needs replacement.
if you think your definitions are better, just convince everyone else, and yes, the definition can change.
but i'm glad you agree that you were wrong and that definitions can change over time, which was our point from the start. lol.
Poor willie...always a bridesmaid...never a bride....guess it is getting to him because i have never seen a "straight" man enter these conversations as much as he. Make 2013 your year for therapy and self discovery ms. smith and perhaps you will see the error in your thought.
willie - I see you are starting out the new year as dull as last year. too bad. :)
it is OBVIOUS what I said..that laws are written with words that mean exactly what the words in the LAW say, not in the dictionary. If the LAW says that marriage is between two adults, it matters not what the dictionary says marriage is.
duh...but I did type that slowly so that perhaps even YOU could understand it..maybe. :)
Willie, lose that blow up doll...you'll feel better about yourself.
You mean THIS definition of "marriage," Willie:
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/marriage?s=t
It seems that the courts are agreeing with us, not you.
FYI, Willie, marriage has been redefined countless times since this country's inception, as society has evolved and changed.
And the definitive Dictionary Willie, proving bigots wrong again, is Webster
mar·riage noun \ˈmer-ij, ˈma-rij\
Definition of MARRIAGE
1
a (1) : the state of being united to a person of the opposite sex as husband or wife in a consensual and contractual relationship recognized by law (2) : the state of being united to a person of the same sex in a relationship like that of a traditional marriage <same-sex marriage>
b : the mutual relation of married persons : wedlock
c : the institution whereby individuals are joined in a marriage
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/marriage
It's amazing how little the haters do their research before they open their mouths and insert foot.
I had two post taken off as they do not support agenda. Here is one; Consummate marriage if that is possible, and 2) Its legal significance arises from theories of marriage as having the purpose of producing legally recognized descendants of the partners, or of providing sanction to their sexual acts together, or both, and amounts to treating a marriage ceremony as falling short of completing the creation of the state of being married. There are judges that have decided to be indifferent to the law.
Bob, consummation is no longer required; people are considered married as soon as the legal ceremony is over.
WRONG. Marriage has been, since ancient times, a civil contract creating kinship where none previously existed. It was about protecting the parties to the contract, and the property and inheritance rights. Whether there were any progeny was immaterial, although they, too, were protected -- IF there were any children of the marriage.
Since it does not meet definition of marriage, contractual union. "Purpose"!
WRONG. It does meet the definition of marriage, as well as a contractual union.
What "purpose" are you referring to? It would help if you could actually use complete sentences, or questions.
The post you replied to is and was the basis for marriage. Time to get rid of term and call them contracts as that would be more accurate. I just remembered you never answer questions directly. I said why not agree to contractual unions, it is the same as marriage as you point out. Oh! Don't give me any moral reasons for your answer like fairness and other such crock like amendments, use logic only. I think it is hatred you harbor as do your cohorts and even a simple ample compromise will not suffice the burning in your soul for global acceptance of a alternate sexual lifestyle. P.S. If I was to challenge the court as a Mormon, Sheik, or other person interested in many wives I believe I would use that term. Is that not an accurate term for homosexuality? The court will be challenged.
Bob..we just want equal rights..all the rights heteros have...I pay taxes for freedom in this country. I deserve freedom and the same rights as everyone else. Who is in my bed at night is my business. If I want to marry someone I should be able to and have all the same benefits given to hetero married couples. Give me that and I will shut up as will all those who are gay or support gay equality.
Didn't answer the query?
Maryland-Fairyland what’s the difference.
well, now there is a mature post..if you are 12 years old. lol. :)
Should same-sex marrige be allowed by a secular government, yes.
Should a same-sex marriage have all the contractual equivalents of a traditional marriage, yes.
Will a same-sex marriage be the same as a traditional marriage, no.
Is one better than the other, no.
Oh goody goody goody goody goody!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
"lib tards"? lol, I see that bob w isn't the only 12 year old posting today. :)
willie: explain why straight men are attracted to adolescent girls. Nambla? what does that have to do with gay marriage between adults? lol.
ychtt doesn't understand that pedophilia is neither homosexual nor heterosexual. Many pedophiles are attracted to children of either gender, and will molest whoever is more available..usually boys. His stupid attempt to declare that male pedophiles molesting boys is "homosexuality" is, well, stupid...but then again, this is a moron who thinks aids started from gay men having sex with chimps. lol.
still waiting for that credit proof of your stats. I suspect i'll keep waiting. :)
TRUTH4 is a rereg with multiple previous names inclding all of the TRUTH# and jesusismydog ...
DNFTT.. Reported
Thats great they are finally getting recognized but what a very stupid government by allowing these same sex acts to be called anything but a marriage. They had to give it a marriage status by allowing the word marriage to be in this. There is only one marriage form and it is already written. It is an abomination for the government to call these marriages. This can only happen between a man and a woman. How the hell do you think procreation is possible. These others that are only in dream land would never make the world go around. They would have to steal someones baby to even look like a family. They should of never allowed this to be called a marriage. Maybe a union or something else but not a marriage to piss off every christian who has studied the book is an insult to the faith. Way to go government, you idiots. Yep major idiots. Major liars, major thieves, major non disclosures, major behind closed doors policies, when are you going to see the light general population. When?
Yes, get angry! Angry! We feed off your rage!
Muahahahahahahahahaha!!!
lol, why do YOU people think you own the word "marriage" when used to refer to secular policies? lol, of course you don't..you folks are "legends in your own minds".
Laws are made by people who define things how they want to..not restricted to what you two "legends" think they should be. lol.
Civil unions ....how kind of you for those few crumbs. Separate but equal went out with willies dictionary. Rosa parks didn't go for it and neither do i.
more stupidity from willie. no one "controls" their sexual orientation..you are attracted to who you are attracted to, its not a choice. When did YOU choose to be attracted to women, willie? lol.
but of course admitting the truth would destroy willie's fantasy world, so don't expect that.
The point was separate is not equal but of course you had to turn that around as you have nothing more to base your intolerance. To even suggest gay people should curb their normal and natural sexual inclinations is ludicrous. They have every right to a full and complete life just as ms. parks was entitled to sit in front of the bus. Sounds like it is the williesmiths of the world who need to re interpret their dictionaries as well as their lives.
willie: dense as ever, i see.
No, you can't "tolerate" pedophiles molesting children, because they hurt others..just like murders and rapists do. duh. Like murders and rapists, they do need to control their BEHAVIOR or face the consequences. duh again.
but of course, that has NOTHING to do with sexual orientation of ADULT gays towards other adults, which we should obviously tolerate.
gosh you are dense.
The homophobic fear is not primarily of liberation, it's of castration. Male homophobes (by far the most angry and adamant, compared to females) use the idea that approving homosexuality will result in unbridled hedonism - and thus the destruction of civilization - as a cover for their fear of acknowledging any 'femininity' in their own character. 'Castration complex' in the Freudian terminology; but it's largely unconscious and evidently too hard for them to deal with.. so they cover it in all kinds of horse puckey. You'd like to say you don't blame them, or it's not their fault, due to the complexity of the human psyche; but when they're old enough to have become political web-posting addicts, they should have learned better by now.
I wish I was a gay man right now just so I could mess with Willie... Hey wait! Willie I'm a gay man stuck in a woman's body help me!! Help me pray away the gay! I can't seem to help my attraction to men only you can save me Willie!
Meh that wasn't as much fun as I thought it would be.
I promise Willie, like me, one day you'll wake up and think why does it matter to me if homosexuals get married? How will it affect my life? How will it affect my marriage to my husband? Once you figure out the answer is, IT WON'T, You'll live and let live. Good luck with that Willie. God bless.
Willie is closeted...he is on almost every gay story there is...a trend of these constant same people on the vine who seek out gay stories...I think they are looking for more info inthe workings of gay sex so they can fantasize.
Bob is your man Willie...he'll help you out...I can give you some of HIS favorite stories...
And FYI...any minority group that is repressed from receiving equal rights are in the same boat..whether it be race, gender, sexuality, etc. we ALL just want equality...
We are supposed to be the land of the FREE and home of the BRAVE...the brave fight for freedom for ALL Americans and I pay taxes too. I deserve equality...
That's so sad, poor Willie it's okay your momma will still love you.
That's what turned it around for me more then anything, my daughter just came out a couple of months ago, true she's fixin to be 16, could it be a phase? Maybe. Doesn't matter to me, I used to think I'd freak the f*ck out if one of our children ended up being gay, but now that it's happened, it didn't change anything, I love my daughter more then my life and the plus side I don't have to worry about teen-age boys!
Who cares? My marriage didn't make msn....as is the case with most people who just get on with their lives without making a big production of the whole thing.
apparently, lots of people care about the topic of gay marriage.
I just get tired of all the nonsense...FROM BOTH SIDES. Live your life and do what you think is right, and let others do the same. We should not judge each other.
i like your attitude, my point is that gay marriage will be "news" for awhile, since many people do care. I agree people should "just live their lives", but those opposing equal rights seem incapable of doing so.
Jen, I suppose that if such a simple thing had been denied you for so long, you'd find it newsworthy when you finally were able to have what you wished for.
Too bad compassion is not one of your traits.
So Startover123, are the heterosexual unions of persons who choose not to procreate through use of birth control, who have sterilized themselves, who are infertile, or who are past the age of procreation also not to be called 'marriages' in your world simply because they can't bring for the precious all-important baybees?
Procreation isn't a requirement of a legal marriage.
willie: why? there is no legal requirement for marriage to have children (obviously). or are you arguing that married couples with children shouldn't be allowed to divorce, for example?
First willie insists people who want children have to be married but he is adamantly opposed to gay couples marrying....who also want kids. The poor fool is going around in circles within his own lame argument. You do have an argument....don't you willie?
people don't need to be married to be responsible adults. duh.
you really didn't start out the new year any smarter than last year...in fact, you seem duller.
lol, my "retort" was not only reasonable, but exactly correct. You seem to think that either you are married or you are an irresponsible fool, and of course that's completely wrong. Unmarried couples (single, divorced, etc) raise kids responsibly all the time. This really isn't rocket science. Try to pay attention..because you truly DO have a lot to learn. :)
in your case, you ARE a homophobic bigot. it has nothing to do with name calling, its the truth. lol.
clue for the clueless: i'm not part of the "gay community"...why do you ASSume I am? do you like making ASSumptions? :) I'm part of the "equal rights" community..othewise known as patriotic americans who support freedom..unlike you. :)
Really Willie? Looks to me like the same old rhetoric from your side of the fence: constantly using religious philosophy, procreation, and your version of "normal" as a basis to foam at the mouth with homophobic nonsense and rubbish conjecture.
I have not used religion only common sense and a simple approach using words to bring up points to the contrary of some peoples stance on carnal activity being expressed as something other than it is, an anomaly. Again with everything I say I will hear insults and rhetoric, but nothing of substance nor an admission of the act as the reason for label. No activity no label or in old school terms for those more educated, stigma.
I'll give you credit willie...at least you don't base your objections from biblical intolerance. Obviously you base them on ignorance, bigotry and perhaps a bit of fear..
or attraction? lol.
Wow I remember, when black people were slaves, women couldn't vote, catholics were denied rights... So many people have had to fight for their right in this country to be equal. Gay marriage is no different. Good work Maryland. Soon the haters will just be those racist old people.
How old are you? 100 and what? I think you have the senility part down, now just work on being in the present. There are issues in the present that even a blind man can see.
Hmm, that's going back a fur piece... but I think you're right, people just have to get over their hangup on this issue, and the problem pretty much goes away.
Well just look at what happened to Massachusetts when they approved same sex marriage back in 03.... poof...It's gone..not even there anymore detached from the rest of the US...it's been spotted floating some where up in the North Atlantic causing havoc in the shipping lanes.. not to mention massive ice melt in the Arctic contributing to out of control Global Warming...but that's another post for another vine...
and the fishermen aren't none to happy about it either